Athletic Fortitude Show
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Athletic Fortitude Show
Why We Rebranded: From The Athletic Fortitude Show to The Playbook
Colin announces the rebranding of the Athletic Fortitude Show to "The Playbook with Colin Jonov," expanding the podcast's focus while maintaining its core values around mindset and performance.
• The rebrand allows for broader conversations beyond athletics, exploring success mindsets from entrepreneurs, doctors, and professionals across all domains
• "The Playbook" represents different strategies or "chapters" people can apply to various life situations
• Identity exploration will become even more central, going deeper into what constitutes identity beyond outcomes
• Social media will consolidate under Colin's personal accounts (@colkyjonov10) for better connection with the audience
• The podcast studio will undergo renovation to match the new brand identity
• Colin views the rebrand as a personal challenge that pushes him beyond his comfort zone
• Future episodes will feature a mix of personal journeys and specific, actionable playbooks for particular domains
• Colin and Steve discuss health experimentation, emphasizing the importance of finding what works individually rather than following rigid frameworks
Stay tuned for the official launch date by subscribing to the newsletter at athleticfortitude.com and following @ColkyJonov10 on social media.
Welcome back to the show, everybody. Today's a special episode. We have some pretty cool news. I've hinted at this in the past, but we are officially going to be getting the rebrand underway. So you'll have to tune into our social media. You'll have to tune in to our newsletter. We'll continuously be providing updates as we go to the official rebrand and the official launch. With me today is my good friend and the master behind the scenes, Steve Vensel. We're going to be talking through the rebrand why we're doing it, what to expect, what's changing, what's staying the same and, ultimately, why we're super excited about it. How are you doing, Steve?
Speaker 2:Man, I am great, I'm buzzing. I'm always grateful for the opportunity to be in your presence. And, man, this stuff that we're going to talk about today, it's been in the works for a little bit, so I'm happy to share it and kind of talk through it with you.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the behind the scenes stuff. That's really challenging is trying to figure out what is the appropriate way to do it. How do you tease it, how do I make sure that my loyal listeners know exactly where to find it, how to find it, what's to expect and how to appropriately give them the information that they need, while still strategically building up what I want this to be?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and again, I don't think that there's a right or a wrong answer. It's just kind of what's going to work for you, for the brand but that's a lot of stuff we've been talking about behind the scenes, right. Like it's like, dude, how do we do it, what does it look like? And I guess I'm obviously privy to it because we're working on it together. But, like, what does the change mean for you? Like I guess, yes, go for it.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So changing it from the title of it, the athletic fortitude show, right. We're going to change it to the playbook with Colin drawn off right. So it's going to be with me. It's going to be um more associated with my name, my interests, um the niches that I'm really excited about. A lot of that's going to remain the same guys. A lot of it is athletics mindset and athletics performance, health, you know.
Speaker 1:But I don't want to just limit it to athletics, because all domains of life are going to carry different playbooks to success defining success for yourself and understanding what that looks like. And I want to be able to hear from different people who have achieved greatness and what their mentality was like, how they, you know, stayed sane, how they kept themselves healthy, right, there's so many different ways to skin a cap and I don't want to limit it to just athletes. I do believe the athletic mindset is applied to the real world. However, I do want to hear it from everybody, because athletes can take things from entrepreneurs, they can take things from doctors, they can take things from whoever, just as they can take things from athletes as well. So I want to expand those conversations. Really, the topics aren't going to change too much. It's just a little bit more different people about who we're hearing it from.
Speaker 2:Well, and I think what you did a really good job of and continue to do a good job of is, over the past several episodes, you've got people from all walks of life and they're not just always athletes right, you've had some doctors, you've had some different people in and it's almost to me it's a natural transition into it that the rebrand, I think, makes a lot of sense. I love what you said you were talking about. There's different playbooks I forget the exact. There's different playbooks based on the role and function that you're playing, right, and it ties to kind of your whole concept and you talk about a lot about identity. But, like man, there's to have a different playbook, like this overarching thing, like the playbook of life, right, it's kind of it sounds like that's kind of where you're trying to create, basically with these different chapters.
Speaker 1:And you hit on the word there, with chapters right Within each playbook. I believe there's a bunch of mini playbooks called chapters and you know being able to apply different playbooks to different levers and avenues of life and knowing when to use a playbook for a certain situation. We're so complex and yet so simple as individuals. But creating that awareness around ourself and what is out there for new things to try to add to you know, our current processes or develop new processes and explore different conversations that we never knew even existed, that can really resonate with us and really impact the trajectory of where we're going. And I want to dive deeper into those lenses, deeper into those conversations, because I do want to reach our current audience on a deeper level but also expand our audience into new listeners who also need some of this information, but also expand our audience into new listeners who also need some of this information.
Speaker 2:Right and back to like that identity work it ties to kind of what you're, one of your passions. Right is exploring identity and understanding that right. Like so you know to take it from a larger or from a smaller niche of like athlete right to the overarching, like this playbook for life type perspective that creates more space for people to understand that their identity isn't just in one thing and it allows you to, to your point, to layer in those different pieces.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and you know, identity is really everything. That really everything that I love to talk about and all the different components that play into identity and what does that mean? And you know, I think one thing to expect, too, is to really talk more about identity and what an identity actually is, what is comprised of it, how we build it, and more than just like talking about struggling from, moving on from it or what does it mean to certain people, but really hammering home what does it mean? Because people will frequently say you know you're not what you do or you're not your outcomes, okay. Well then the question becomes what am I and these conversations are going to become much more detailed into solving that and providing again the playbooks really to unleash and identify. You know who you want to be and what you want to become unleash and identify.
Speaker 2:You know who you want to be and what you want to become. So do you envision this as almost like a step-by-step? Or is it like, okay, hey, glean information from such and such a guest and write, hey, here's a piece that we want to apply that. Or like, I guess let's talk overall long-term vision. Right, again, it's going to change. But like, do you want to build this playbook to where? It's like this is around this piece, this is this piece, or is it like we're going to kind of see how it goes?
Speaker 1:I think it's going to be a little bit of both, to be honest, I think there's going to be certain episodes that are tailored like, hey, this is where I started, this is where I finished, this is how I got here, right, their stories how they want to. And then there's going to be episodes where it's like, hey, we are looking for a playbook for this specific niche in this specific industry, because this person's an expert here. It can really talk to the depths of how to do this, how to execute this, so that anyone listening can apply it if it's applicable to their own life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I dig that and I think that anybody that's listening right now I want to encourage, like, if there's certain areas or aspects right, like to make sure that they reach out to you to lean in, so that way you can kind of target those specific people and those specific, you know, questions with identity.
Speaker 2:Cause I think that I love the medium of podcasts, I love what you do and how you bring it to life, and we're always constantly trying to get better and I think it's listening to the people and trying to bring some stuff to life. So that's one thing that I always encourage people If there's somebody you want to hear from or somebody you have questions or think does it well, always pass that information on. Because, again, I really believe everybody's got a story and everybody's got a story we're sharing and we're going to learn from each other. So that's one thing that just came up for me, because I know you're well connected man. You've got a lot of great people, but we've got so many blind spots, myself included, that it's like, okay, where and who? Some of those are the best conversations that I've had, you know.
Speaker 1:I think one thing to expect to kind of going off what you're saying is expect me to be more involved with my audience as well and be more involved, specifically just me in social media too, so I can interact with guests on a personal level, right, not just the basis of the conversations in the podcast, but things that they want to hear from too.
Speaker 1:You know, I know I engage with my audience when I do my Q and A episodes but day to day, you know, be willing to engage with them as well and share some of the things that I'm working on behind the scenes and, you know, show a lens of what those things look like as well. Um, for example, as I renovate my area here, my studio, you can expect to see this look completely different. Um, so I'm excited to get into the process of those things as well. But you know we have some really cool future guests coming on. Um, so I've got some guests lightly confirmed uh, looking to secure dates, but some really really cool guests that you're not going to want to miss, and I would love to be able to announce them as they commit. And then, you know, would love to to get people's questions and curiosities other than just my own, that I can incorporate it into into my world of questioning.
Speaker 2:So for clarification, the playbook with Colin John of we've got athletic fortitude, separate Instagram handle all that stuff Like what's how, how are social is going to work and what's your strategy there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, great question. So everything's going to channel to my personal page. Expect everyone who follows my athletic fortitude page on Instagram. You will get a direct DM, you will get a direct message and I will direct you to my personal page. All of my content will be coming from there here very shortly. Can't thank everyone enough for going to that page as well and following. Now we're going to direct you back to my personal page and everything's going to be coming from there. It's going to be coming from my Twitter as well. Both same handle, kalkijonoff10. We're going to be getting all the good stuff there and get more accustomed to me, my face and my life as well.
Speaker 2:I dig that and I think that there's a lot to be said right now for people. Again, you can have separate arms, but I love the fact that, like again, this ties back to your identity. But like you are the brand man, like you're having and you're steering these conversations, you're trying to impact these lives through the lens of the way you're doing it. So I love that you're directing it back towards you, not to make it not that it's about you, but, like again, it's. It's a piece of who you are. So I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:And I think one thing too is you know, working with athletes right, that's still athletic fortitude, like athletic fortitude itself isn't going anywhere. It's just the rebranding and reframing of the messaging that comes from those conversations, privately or doing a better job. Not that there's no or not that there's a concern there, but keeping that kind of separate right and keeping the podcast conversations where they are. So there's no real blending between the coaching aspect in here, even though principles carry across. You know making sure that the podcast itself is its own. You know, identity as an extension of my own.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I like that. And again, I think that that's that is one of the things that sets you apart, right, like you've got this passion to bring this stuff to life and you, dude, you've got tons of ideas, and I think that's one of the things that sets you apart, right, like you've got this passion to bring this stuff to life and you, dude, you've got tons of ideas. And I think that's one of the things I'm grateful for. Through our conversations is like, yeah, let's do it. And again, like you say yes to a lot in many ways to to just make sure that you're bettering people and you're bringing these conversations to life. And again, I love the realness that you're going to add. Just, the people are going to get to see and get to know, kind of like I've gotten to know you, right, like the stuff with your wife and your family and all of those different things. Right Like who you are and who's the man to be steering these conversations to. I think that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1:And it would be good for me too, and a large part of the reason I'm doing this is going to push my own comfort zone. You know, I think you would think, because I love podcasting. That I love, you know, holding a camera to my face and you know recording certain things that I'm doing. But that's a challenge for me and it would be good for me to push that threshold and grow as a person. Right, you know we talk about identity. Right, you know, part of me is wanting to be resilient, being fortuitous. Well, I have to challenge myself, have to push into areas of discomfort, particularly ones that are going to help grow the podcast, grow the things that I'm trying to grow, grow the brand. So that's a large part of the reason I wanted to rebrand, hold myself accountable and push the envelope of things that I feel comfortable doing. And once I get comfortable doing those things, I'll find some new things to do as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I love that man. That's that. That's very on brand for you, at least again, and over the time that we've gotten to know each other, right Like again, you're always seeking a little bit of that discomfort, that growth, and leaning into it, because that's, that's what you're about, man. I definitely know that and believe that.
Speaker 1:Well, if anyone, including you, has a physical challenge that they can throw at me. I'm very picky I talked about this on a podcast before McHenry but I've been looking for because I've just been dying to like I mean, I've had four knee surgeries in two years. It's not like I've been doing a ton of physical competition. So like I'm dying for like some type of like physical competition other than just like lifting, which scratches the itch, of course. But you know, I'm really looking to like peak train and like get myself ready for like an intense competition.
Speaker 2:So well, okay, let's stay's stay with that. Like. So what does that like? Take the knees out? So no marathon running, no bodybuilding. Right, like is the realm of? Like high rocks I mean, obviously that's the new thing right, like, everybody loves their loves, their high rocks. Right, there's some running, there's some what the heck is a high rock.
Speaker 1:Tell me what that is.
Speaker 2:Oh, h-y-r-o-x it's basically a, it's an endurance competition, so it's a combination of running and then physical activity. So think like it's kind of like cross-fitty and people will probably yell at me for saying that, but I've been seeing a lot of people doing a lot of events and you could do like team events, couple events, like all that stuff. So I think they'll butcher me, I'll probably get yelled at for the distance, but like you run like a like an 800 meter run, and then you do an activity so like a thousand meter skier, right, and then you run another lap. A lot of it's done in like convention centers and stuff like that. So you do a lap, you do a thing and then you run another lap and then, let's say, it's a burpees, for you know, for length, right, you have to complete the course and then you do another lap. So like that's something that comes to mind that's not like full blown marathon but like again, it's both physical and then also like aerobic endurance, dude this looks insane.
Speaker 2:Dude, it's the latest thing. Like I know a lot of people.
Speaker 1:How far is one kilometer? Ooh, I am metrically challenged.
Speaker 2:Yeah, hold on, I'm going to grab the phone. Here's the cool thing is we've got you know if you think about it. You know if you think about it, man, we have all this information right at our fingertips. One what do you want to compare it with? Like one kilometer into.
Speaker 1:Is it like mile, like yards, like what are we looking?
Speaker 2:at One kilometer is 0.62 miles, so a little more than, again, a little more than a half a mile. Call it two thirds of a mile. What is a ski erg instead of the rowers? The ski erg is, if you you've seen them, you grab the handles and you're skiing down. I'll send it to you afterwards, but it's a, it's the same thing. There are people who are training for it like crazy right now. So it's like ski erg burpees. What else is on there?
Speaker 1:dude, this is insane. All right, so we got this is. This is how it goes. So you have a one kilometer run, you have a functional workout following the run, they compete in a specific functional exercise station and then this pattern of one kilometer run followed by the functional workout is repeated eight times. So the specific stations are a 1000 meter ski urge, 40 meter sled push, 40 meter sled pull, 80 meters of burpee broad jumps, a thousand meters of rowing, 200 meter farmers carries, a hundred meters back lunges, 75 or a hundred wall balls, depending on division. This is insane.
Speaker 2:So here's the thing, man.
Speaker 1:I'm super tempted to just throw myself into this.
Speaker 2:Hey, I mean there's one that one would crush you. Because there's one in New York, I've got to pull it up. There's one in New York.
Speaker 1:Averaging finishing time is an hour and 30 minutes. To get all that done in, that's impressive.
Speaker 2:Bro, it's insane. And again I'm looking, looking. What would I do without you, steve? I know I mean this is god had our lives intersect for a reason. Man, there's a little bit like and again I know there's different ones, I'll have to look and they may run like the season may be through there. I mean there's stuff all over the all over the world but but I mean, is that Birmingham, alabama?
Speaker 1:I think it's going to be tough on my knee. Yeah, I want like. This is something that I'm like kind of looking for, though.
Speaker 2:But it's not marathon, so like that's what made me think about it. I mean, again, November there's High Rocks Chicago, there's High Rocks Dallas in November, so that gives you enough time. I mean it looks like they're all over the cunt all over the globe. Anaheim in December. So yeah, if you want it, Chicago could be drivable. You could make a weekend out of it if you really wanted to. That's November 15th and 16th.
Speaker 1:Dude, the world record for this is 55 minutes. That's insane. Yeah, to get all that done in 55 minutes.
Speaker 2:There's team events so you can partner up with somebody or you can get a team of three or four guys to do and you rotate them through, because I think it's eight legs. Jesse Itzler, I saw, did it with Todd Anderson and their buddy, I think, kevin and a couple of like one other guy, like there's a whole bunch of like it's it's the latest and greatest thing. So I mean November in Chicago like could be cause that's far enough away, right Like that.
Speaker 1:It's far enough away I could get in shape as long. Like I said, the big thing is like when I start training, like the, there's a difference between like pain and like discomfort, like pain in the knee. For me, right is like like my knee swells up, it starts catching like hard to go down steps right like, and it like feels like someone's like stabbing. So if I can, if I can avoid that, I'm even. It feels like that after the competition, like I just don't want it to be like that every single day when I train. That's like the piece.
Speaker 2:But yeah, this thing, this thing seems dope okay so maybe, maybe we've got something for you to like have to make the announcement here soon.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna analyze it, talk it over with my wife because I'm gonna have to dedicate more time to training. She might kill me, but uh, she'd be the first one congratulating me. You know, when I got through the finish line, I'll tell you that.
Speaker 2:I mean think of the example you set for the kids. Come on.
Speaker 1:You know that's a, you know that is a big, that is a really big thing is like kids need to see you do challenging things. Come on, I can, I can tell my kid everything in the world, but if they don't see it for me, my the you know the weight of my words like loses its power.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's again and it's a delicate balance too because, like as a leader of our families and of ourselves and all that stuff, like you want to show that and you want to show the good and the bad and the challenge the kids with the cold plunge in the back, right Like when we first, like they sat and they're watching Corey and I go through it over, like with the sauna, like it's like they, and they're like, oh okay, and you come out dripping sweat and you're like all the different stuff.
Speaker 2:But like now, the kids are like they'll put their feet in the cold plunge or they'll do this or this and like it's but and that's small areas of discomfort or challenge, right, like the example that we set. You know, if it's as I look down here, like my Bible's sitting out here, right, like the examples that we set, that's not a discomfort thing, but again, it's a conscious effort that we need to show. And then, the more that we show our kids doing these behaviors that we want to instill in them, man, that's where the power comes and that's how we empower the next generation instill in them.
Speaker 1:Man. That's where the power comes and that's how we empower the next generation. That was so incredibly well said. What cold plunge and sauna do you use? I know you use Sisu sauna. What do?
Speaker 2:you use for your cold plunge Sisu sauna. And then right now in the back I've got a Morosco Forge one of their new ones that is just recently come out, that I'm helping do a little bit of testing and whatnot. I mean it's a phenomenal unit. We had ice floating in it the other day.
Speaker 1:What's your routine with those?
Speaker 2:It depends. So, like yesterday, corey and I did a small contrast. We did a small contrast session, so it was 10 or 15 minutes in the sauna and then two minutes in the plunge, and then we did that twice. We had friends over on Friday. Man, you want to talk about something cool and communal and doing hard things together. We had a couple of friends and their daughter over and we did contrast. We did 15 to 20 minutes in at 176 degrees and then two to three minutes in the plunge, and the plunge was, I think it like 37, 38, uh, but it was incredible.
Speaker 2:That's cold, that's cold, it's cold like, but like.
Speaker 2:That's what I love about the super cold is the fact that it literally is. Uh, it's two to three minutes and you want to talk about embracing discomfort like you're. You get in, it's like, but then once you find your breath and you anchor yourself in it, like it's, the discomfort is still there, but it dissipates. And then, like to the I've gotten to it, like it's the discomfort is still there, but it dissipates. And then, like to the, I've gotten to the point where it's like, okay, cool, I can do three to five minutes if I really want, and then so if I'm not, if I'm doing contrast and I hop back in the sauna, you always want to end on cold, but like if I'm just plunging like a workout or I'm doing like pushups, pushups and air squats when I get out, cause there's a lot of studies around pre-cooling. So if you get yourself really cold and then work out, there's boost in testosterone and muscle growth. From that perspective, if you don't want to ever you don't really want to cold, plunge afterwards much.
Speaker 1:Unfortunately, that's how it was in collegiate athletics Cause it inhibits muscle.
Speaker 2:It inhibits muscle growth, right, because again, if you think about when you're breaking your muscles and all that stuff like if you get a good lift in and everything you don't want to go into the plunge because then it goes ahead and it decreases the inflammation and everything. But the inflammation is where the muscle grows.
Speaker 1:So who's your go-to person for health and fitness or health and wellness?
Speaker 2:And I don't have one. I've been. I'm fortunate to be surrounded by a lot of people and learning a lot. Like Dr Seeger, with Morosco. He's one I lean into a lot around cold. Pete Nelson, who I just had on my podcast with Sisu he's somebody I lean into a lot and ask a lot of questions to. Jesse Itzler a lot of people follow him Like he's big into the sauna and the plunge and like disruption space. Um Devin Levesque he was the owner of Pro Mix. I follow him Like that's a challenge with social media, though. Right, like there's so much out there that you need to decipher who. Again you got Dr Huberman and Dr Jeremy London. He's a. He's a cardiovascular surgeon. Right, everybody's got a piece of health and wellness that they specialize in. And right now, like Peter Attia, all these guys we consume so much and then sometimes it's overwhelming. I think Chris Williamson was talking to. Who's he talking to? He talked about wisdom. Porn is what he calls it.
Speaker 1:I'm sorry he does call it that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so like wisdom porn and it's like there's so much, like it's just, it's like you're getting sprayed with a fire hose and whether it's health and wellness or this or this, like there's so much out there. And I think the hardest part is to just decipher A what you want to apply, and then B what do you have the capability to apply. Because, again, all of this sounds great. There's Sleep, a8 Sleep.
Speaker 2:It's this cover for your mattress, right, and it aids in sleep and cooling because you want to be cold at night, right. It's a tremendous product and I've heard it on multiple. Every time I hear it on a podcast, I go look at it and it's like it's like three or four thousand bucks and I'm like yo, like I would love that because I sleep hot and we, we're in arizona, we don't turn, we can't turn the thermostat down all the way, because our ac bill would be like five thousand bucks, but like, but that's the. There's a barrier to entry from a cost perspective. So it's tough to just decipher, like, what it is you want to try and what you have the capability to try. You know, yeah.
Speaker 1:Honestly, that's something I wanted to rant about today, but I'm not going to go for it. You can go a little. It's one of the things you always see conflicting people on social media saying like this is a gimmick, this is a hack, that doesn't work. Do this. And my problem with why these conversations are going to go deeper, into new places too, is I have a firm belief that and everybody has a space. Now are there people out there who are just like total hack people, absolutely. But I think some of the traditionalists, and some in a civil manner, would actually probably get along well and most likely move forward the health and wellness space. I don't think just because something's traditional doesn't mean you can't add or build upon new things. I also fall into the category that sometimes, when you're looking at studies right, I think people want to nitpick studies I think you can make general conclusions like something doesn't need to be this super rigorous like scientifically detailed study with all these kinds of whatever you know required documents to approve the double, the double blind placebo.
Speaker 1:Yeah like to be able to make like a reasonable connection, like hey, this, this might have some benefits or at worst it's not going to hurt you to try, type of thing. Yeah, and so that's where I think there needs to be in the space in general some more nuance and acceptance and less hatred or vitriol.
Speaker 2:Well, and again we're in a world of clickbaity and all of this different stuff right To where it's like, okay, it's some people. Again, I don't know what the heart posture is without talking to people, but again some people may do it just to go ahead and be diametrically opposed to something. But, like, up here in Scottsdale, dr Sean Drake, he and his wife Kiki, they own a place called Modern Athlete right, and they've got all these different modalities and Sean does all of this, they do all of this testing and they bring products in that they've fully vetted and do all this stuff. But, like, for me, it's also about aligning yourself with people that you can believe in too. So, like, I'll go up to his clinic and he's got a whole bunch of different modalities. Again, he's got a Morosco up there. He's got a shift wave, he's got you know this, these PEMF mats, like all stuff that's outside of my scope.
Speaker 2:So, like, my big thing is like I don't know what it's doing to me, but again, I trust him to put me through stuff or guide me in things and if I'm walking away feeling better afterwards, guess what? That's the win, right? Like I don't know what it does on a cellular level. I'm not taking blood work every time I go in, so like I also think that that's part of it is like if you can embrace it again, again, like you and I talk like I love fasting.
Speaker 2:Fasting is a big thing that I love to do and it's not for everybody, but like I know that it helps me in multiple ways from a cellular level and everything. But I've never had it tested like I, but I know that when I'm done with it, how it makes me feel and all these things. So like like we are kind of an experiment that we get to decide what we want to test out, what we want to try. And I think that that's the hardest part is determining what experiment you want to do and then not going too crazy to you know.
Speaker 1:I think the big thing like you just said, the experimentation part what works for you and what doesn't? Just because something may be scientifically proven doesn't mean anecdotally it'll work for me. And just because something anecdotally works for me doesn't mean it may be scientifically proven for the vast majority. And that's where I think the limitations on science to what we have up to today I think can really be expanded and explored and customized as new research comes out, as technologies change. And that's what I'm so fascinated to learn about is like how customizable is like science to our DNA? Cause we're all we're, we're all one of one. Everybody's different. So it's like for me, it's like how can you roll out anything? I mean, obviously that's generalized you can look at the masses.
Speaker 2:but yeah, go ahead, yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like, how can you say fasting it doesn't work for? Yeah? It's like, how can you say fasting doesn't work for anybody Like I? Just like some people will say that and I'm just like I don't know if that's true, because when I'm in periods of fast I feel better. So it's. You know it's a nuanced discussion and discussions I'm unbelievably stoked to dive deeper into.
Speaker 2:I dig that man. And again, I think that these are conversations that people need to hear about too, cause, like so, when we were in Portland, Corey and I, my wife, we were we were vegan for basically five years, right. And again it's an experiment, like we sit and, okay, here's a lot of data, here's a lot of science, that cool, we're going to get behind it. And when we were vegan, I was traveling out doing all this different stuff and like I had. What now I find out is is gout, right, but I'm not eating the things and I'm not doing the things that traditionally cause gout. But again, you people are sitting there going, okay, well, you're not doing this, not doing this. But like my body obviously didn't, it didn't work well for me, right. So it's again where now we're back to being full-blown omnivore, eating everything but like and the. The rate of that has steadily declined and there's other extenuating circumstances, but like it's not a broad brushstroke for everybody, when we started it, I felt great, like I enjoyed the whole process, right.
Speaker 2:But again, to your point, too, our bodies adapt and evolve, right. Like, let's go, let's talk cold plunge. Like you, the first time you get in 50 degree water, it sucks Like, yeah, and it's 50 degrees, right, like, let alone, you know, let alone 35, right, so, like. But the more that you get used to it like we had this setup and it was like 42 or something like that and Corey's like I don't know, little do I know, you know, one day she goes out and she spends 10 minutes in 42 degree water right, because your body adapts, and then you also embrace the discomfort. You embrace something challenging because of how it's potentially making you feel, so like it's.
Speaker 2:We're all experimenting, right, like sleep and all the different water hydration. Do you put salt in your water? Do you do electrolytes? Do you do that Like, test it out, see how you feel and then, if you want to test further, right. Obviously blood work and there's different stuff. There's a lot of great companies out there too that can help. I know mark hyman's doing stuff with uh, I think, function um, josh whalen and his wife. They've got uh, get blokes and joy wellness. I should, you should try to connect with them because they do like blood work and then customize like vitamins and stuff like that, like, because again bro, we're like, we're literally experimenting and here we have a choice or you don't right, like and that's.
Speaker 2:I think that's the thing that like, I love where this conversation is going, by the way, but, like, we have that choice, it's, it's up to us. Do you want to experiment or do you want to stay as you are? And if you stay as you are, there's no judgment. But again, also don't judge the people that are experimenting.
Speaker 1:Exactly that's what I always say. Judgment's a two-way street. I'm never going to judge anyone. Just don't judge me back. And if you do judge me back, cool, that's your right.
Speaker 2:That's we're just probably not going to. We're not going to kick it that much, yeah, and again it's like we tell our kids right, the only person we have control over is ourselves. So from that perspective, like, if people want to judge, my wife has done a really good job at checking me on some things like I've had people. I released my podcast episode with pete uh from sisu last week. A couple people go, hey, where's? There's no intro there, I don't know who he is or anything. And Corey and I was like, oh, maybe I need to do this. You just stop dimming your light. Like, do what you feel called to do. And again, people are going to understand or people are. But like, do what you feel called to do and then stand, like, stand firm on it. And again, can we evolve? Sure, but like, if you think it's good enough, if you think it's something worth pursuing or trying, do it and then figure it out for yourself.
Speaker 1:This is what you can expect to come, guys. It's going to be deeper, it's going to be better, it's going to be more people, it's going to be fun. Nobody else would rather have with me announce the rebrand, the playbook, with Colin Johnov, but can't do it without Steve. So I appreciate you, brother, appreciate you guys being loyal. Tuning in, keep up to date on the social media at Kalkijonov10. Newsletter is going to be providing updates as well. We're going to be going full rebrand here in the very near future. Subscribe to the newsletter. You can check it out at athleticfortitudecom. We'll give you an official date soon. Background's going to be looking nicer and prettier too, and we're going to have some pretty cool updates coming really, really soon. But thank you, steve, guys, tune in next week. Five stars only.
Speaker 2:Five stars only. Baby. Talk to you soon, brother you.