E24 | A Spiritual Practice to Heal Broken Trust #ThrivingThursday

Today on Getting to Unstuck, we are having a fantastic conversation with Amanda Ring!

 Amanda is the founder of Seven Feathers  Healing Arts. She is a consciousness coach, energy healer, OT, and so much more. At the core, she is a leader who believes in wholeness in work and life, and serves people through her many qualifications.

Join us as we learn practices and pathways to heal trust with ourselves and others. Our conversation is focused on ways to build your own practice, how who you are is connected to the collective (especially in a work environment) and so much more

Find out more about Amanda's important work at Amanda-Ring.com
Listen to Amanda's Podcast, Flight of the Feminine

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A Spiritual Practice to Heal
Broken Trust
Colin Kingsmill: [00:00:00] I keep laughing all these months later, I
Carol Vickers: know. It's just so cheerful. Yeah,
Amanda Ring: it makes me want to dance.
Colin Kingsmill: Exactly.
Christal Duncan: Exactly. That's the tone for us that we should be able
to laugh at ourselves and enjoy. have the pure joy of being able to get
together and have this conversation. So welcome this morning to getting
to unstuck.
Today is a really special day because it's thriving Thursday and we are
talking we're talking about a spiritual practice to heal broken trust. But
what makes it really special is that we have a fantastic guest [00:01:00]
today that we're going to be having a delightful conversation with that will
we know that it's going to offer you some insight and the opportunity to
actually begin to change things.
If you are someone who is looking to understand how you can heal
broken trust.
Amanda Ring: So
Christal Duncan: our guest is Amanda Ring. And she is a
consciousness coach. She's an energy healer. She's an occupational
therapist as well, and so much more. And at the core, she's a leader who
believes in wholeness, in work and life. And she serves people through
those many qualifications.
I am not going to go any further because I want to offer her the
opportunity to let us learn more about her and what brought you to this.
to this place and to your
Amanda Ring: work. Well, thank you. I am so excited. I was delighted a
number of months ago in the summer to meet Colin as he moved to

Mahone Bay, which is the area I live just about five minutes outside of
Mahone Bay.
So we had the pleasure of connecting there and through the Mahone
Bay [00:02:00] Chambers gatherings. and recognized, Oh, we're singing
from the same song sheet, you know, when it comes to approach to
health and wellness and coaching. And yeah, so just to share a little bit
about me, I really want to focus on this really juicy question that you've
brought forward.
Cause it's such an important one. But yeah, I've, I graduated in 2000. So
I, you know, been working as an OT for You know, better part of 20
years with a few years off to be a stay at home mom of my two kids. And
when I returned to, to that practice I was really disenchanted with
working in the, the healthcare system to be quite, quite honest.
And I actually was approached at the same time, quite synchronistically
by someone who had just started building a cooperative holistic health
center. And was looking for [00:03:00] practitioners that were interested
to create a new approach to health and wellness. So, I've had a
background in yoga for years as both a personal practice, but also
trained as a yoga therapist and yoga teacher and mindfulness based
practice.
And I have a very expansive and devoted spiritual side of my practice
and had been exploring that. So at that time I started working with this
holistic center and started following my heart to do more spiritual training
and transpersonal training, which is really involving the body and
returning to the body and involving the soul aspect of.
of empowerment work in what motivates us to be connected to life and
to our families and to our dreams. And so that led me on a path of all
kinds of amazing and wonderful trainings and [00:04:00] experiences.
And I've weaved them or woven them all together in my own practice,
which is Seven Feathers.
Healing arts. Yeah, and I have a great passion for working with women
who are rediscovering their connection to self, opening up to their
spiritual journey and who are really wanting to understand themselves
on a deeper level and change patterns. That are really unhealthy for
them in their lives. So, yeah, so that's, that's a little bit about me.

There's lots more there, but
Colin Kingsmill: We could spend a lot of time on all of those all of those
topics which are so interesting and I i'm already thinking that we need to
have you back, for more Conversations and this is super exciting and
until now we've kind of spent the last three or four episodes of the
podcast focusing on trust and breaches of trust and in the workplace
specifically.
And we've brought how would you say it? Sort of practical tools like, you
know, [00:05:00] setting boundaries and, and what if, you know, what
are the distinctions between the breakage that might be between an
employee and a leader or between sort of the, the, the, the, the, The
trust between two employees, or when a leader loses trust in, in an
employee.
So we've been kind of pragmatic about our conversations. So I'm really
excited you know, about exploring the healing side of it. Right. Because
one of the things that we said in our last episode was, you know, give
yourself time to heal, but we didn't dive into what does that mean? Right.
How do you, how do you, where, where, where do you start?
So It's, it's such a great segue from the episode on Tuesday to, to have
this conversation with you and and dive into the more art centric tools
that we can use to, to, to, to, To, to, to as, as we all know, to work and
live in, in, in an, in [00:06:00] working environments today that are
difficult and, and sometimes toxic.
Mm-Hmm. So this is great. I'm glad you're here. Thank you.
Carol Vickers: Thank you. . Finitely. But Colin, you bring up an
interesting duality because many people who live in that corporate world,
and many of our listeners are leaders or people who are working in that
environment. Amanda, we talked a little bit as we were before we came
on camera about.
How we can hold on to who we are in the workplace. What have you
found with your practice?
Amanda Ring: Yeah, well I like both of those, the question that Colin
brought forward about this aspect of healing, like how do we heal, and

what I'm hearing you ask is how do we remain genuine and be our
authentic person in the workplace.
And I work, you know, I do a lot of one on one coaching work, but I also
run circles and gatherings and events where we might be sharing about
that. And it, it, it can be [00:07:00] quite destructive for a lot of people
when they're trying to show up in a work environment with a completely
different mask on to who they are in their personal life.
And it creates a lot of disconnect, but not only for the. For the community
of people at work, but with themselves and and it and it just slowly
erodes at this sense of even confidence in who they are and knowing
who they are and feeling the sense of being lost and disconnected. So I,
I see that.
Very much so, when people are trying to morph themselves according to
the culture in a workplace or in a home or in a relationship. It's really no
different. Your work life is like another family. You know, it's another
system of cultural expectations and norms. And yeah, so there's two key
things I had been reflecting on when Colin approached me about
jumping on here with you guys that I'd [00:08:00] love to share.
And one is, you know, healing often gets it lands in the camp of, you
know, spirituality, right? Or or it can, we, it's certainly in the arena of
psychology as well. And we think about physical healing, but we also
have emotional healing and psychological healing that happens,
especially when trust is broken.
It can show, it can show up in the body. As a, as a result of that physical,
as a result of the emotional and psychological part of it but what actually
is is a spiritual approach to healing trust, right? Like, what does that
actually mean for a lot of people? They're just like, I'd like, what, what is
that?
So just to maybe bring that into a more accessible place, how I would
define. Having a spiritual practice is something that allows you to see
your place within something as well as a greater [00:09:00] collective
perspective. So and that allows you to see that there's more going on
than just what, what's going on with you in, in that experience.
And usually something that is a spiritual exercise or a spiritual practice is
also something that helps you return or restore some sense of harmony

or balance within oneself, but also like how that directly relates to the
greater community that you're connected with. So there is a sense of
oneness.
That, you know, what is happening with me is impacting the group and
what is happening with the group is impacting me. It's, it's synonymous,
right? So And there's an intention when we're doing something of a
spiritual nature to, to evolve and grow, you know, and, and have a
capacity to have more understanding, [00:10:00] more, more, bring more
love, more compassion, more openness to a situation, right?
So from, from that perspective, you know, spiritual practice usually has
a. Self reflective or a component of where we're, we're, we have self
inquiry. We're looking at what is going on within me and, you know, what
is happening in the greater can I see it from an Eagle's perch? Can I,
can I remove my own investment in this and step out and try to see it
from this bigger picture of what's happening.
And so when we have a spiritual practice, it's also helping us remember
that our identity and our value isn't completely defined by whatever that
conflict is or that, you know, discomfort or discourse that might be
happening is right. That it helps us return to that. I have value and I
[00:11:00] am, you know, connected to something greater that is the
essence of life, regardless of what's going on with my family, regardless
of what's going on at work.
So it's a practice that brings you back into your body and out of your
head. It helps you connect to something peaceful or elevating or
expanding. So I just wanted to. Sort of preface this whole idea of like,
what is a spiritual practice? What is a spiritual exercise? How's that
different from having clear boundaries, right?
You know, right, right. Which both I feel are essential in the healing
process and the healing process to me is returning to our authentic
truths and our, our own acknowledgement that we have value and that
we're part of. We're part of the collective, you know, we're part, yeah.
Ooh,
Carol Vickers: I love the language that you're using.
Mm

Colin Kingsmill: hmm. Huh. Me too.
Carol Vickers: It is so, it is so uncommon in the [00:12:00] workplace to
hear terms like love, compassion, openness, harmony. Mm hmm. And
so what we like to do is be able to support leaders who have those
intentions, who have those markers and milestones for themselves. How
does someone, you used, when we were talking earlier the term
sovereignty, how does someone retain their sovereignty in the face of a
more corporate kind of linear environment?
Amanda Ring: Yeah, that's a complex scenario, depending on the
culture of that corporate environment, because some have started to
incorporate more mindfulness based practices and looking at the overall
wellness of their staff and employees. Sometimes it's at face value.
Sometimes there is investment on the ground to see that when people
are allowed to work at their best with.
[00:13:00] their best skill set, which would tie into being sovereign cycle.
Oh, I can, I can acknowledge that, you know, these are my innate skills
that I, I bring to the table or that I've learned. And these are things that
I'm not actually. that interested in, I can do that's like having an employer
sit with that person and say, you know what, well, how can we be
creative about this position?
And so that sense of sovereignty can come through at it's key for self
self awareness is key. It's so key because someone will not fully be able
to enact. Their intentions in a sovereign way, if they're not really aware
of, of themselves, what it is, what their capabilities are, what their belief
in their own potential, what, what their challenges and their strengths
are, you know, then it.
I, I [00:14:00] feel that's a really important piece to be able to show up in
a sovereign way. We have to be connected to ourselves and know
ourselves. Mm-Hmm. . Because then we also know where our triggers
are. Right? Right. Sure. And I wanted to speak to this and I think the
sovereignty conversation could be a, like a whole.
whole episode we could talk about. Yeah, there's something really key.
Yeah. Do you want to say something Colin? Sorry.

Colin Kingsmill: No, no, go, go, go ahead. I was just going to say that
there's a couple of other things that you mentioned too, that could be
whole episodes. So I think we might have to start a series. Yeah, no, it's
Carol Vickers: totally
Amanda Ring: fine.
Yeah, I, I was thinking about this in the sense of how do we healing trust
to me is restoring a sense of trust and what is that really trust is actually
when we as individuals or as a collective as a group feel safe and we
feel connected. Right? [00:15:00] That's what trust builds. That's what
trust embodies.
Like, I feel like I am safe with you and I feel I have a connection to you.
So so therefore there's openness. There is a two way street, usually.
Yes. So when we're trying to restore trust, we need to look at where do
we feel unsafe? Where has disconnection happened? And there is a
really important piece of this for people to look at as individuals.
So even if there's been an incident in a workplace where trust has been
broken, maybe there's been a code of conduct that has been breached
or a moral or an ethical breach of some kind. When, when we're faced
with that, we're also going to be faced with our own personal traumas
and triggers because it's going to bring that up for us, whether we're
aware of it or not.
So one of the [00:16:00] most empowering things we can also do is is
move into awareness of what is this bringing up for me? How do I create
safety within myself so that I can manage better conflict when it arises?
Discomfort where I can feel I'm safe to be vulnerable and share how this
impacted me personally and professionally.
And I feel it's essential because our culture is so blame based that, you
know, in every facet of it, you know, whether it's personal relationship or,
you know, corporate functioning, like, okay, this team failed this, so it's
their fault, you know, blah, blah. But we need to move away from. blame
energy and move into accountability, which is, is an acknowledgement
that something didn't happen that was intended to [00:17:00] happen.
There was miscommunication. So it's not pitting and divisive, as you
mentioned earlier, calling, you know, this division energy. And, but

people typically will not feel safe. To speak, you know about how things
are impacting them personally and professionally. Sometimes we cannot
separate the two. We really rarely can.
That's why this holistic whole human coaching is so valuable because
it's been tried to be separated, but you can't. That, you know, when,
when there is an already a culture of blame and punishment and you
know, Some form of persecution coming down the pipeline. It really it
doesn't create a space for people to feel that they're safe to come
forward.
And what happens energetically. In this way is people's electromagnetic
field constricts immediately. It's diminishing. [00:18:00] It constricts and
the walls come up. We know this. You can walk into I mean, I've been on
many healthcare teams over the years. And, you know, you can walk
into a team meeting and you can feel the energy of that room, right?
And so that happens with us individually. So we really have to be
accountable for ourselves. As well. So when there is conflict in the work
workplace, are we actually sharing our truths? Are we actually allowing
ourselves to be vulnerable with ourselves and recognize? Okay, I didn't
deal with that situation very well.
But is that also in part because that person triggered me because they
remind me of my father, or they remind me of the situation I've been in in
the past that is bringing up all of my self doubt and all of my
defensiveness and all of my insecurity. And so I feel like there's a
[00:19:00] big paradigm shift that needs to happen and where that is
also encouraged of.
of people in any work environment is to be doing their own personal
work and like how to end it and how to, how am I bringing that into my
other relationships, my work relationships? Yes. And that. that builds self
trust. If I don't feel safe within myself and I can't be honest with myself,
then I'm going to have a harder time doing that.
And especially in situations, I don't feel there is an already an
established platform of trust.
Colin Kingsmill: So it's so interesting. One of the things I, I, I, I heard
you, you say earlier, Connected to this is our culture and our society
seems has, I think anyway, certainly it's happened for me. You, we tend

to connect self worth and sense of self and wholeness [00:20:00] to that
job title or that position.
Right? So there's, I think, I don't know. I don't know if you agree, but, but
there seems to be, we, we, There seems to be a, a need to break that
link, you know, that, that your, your self and your wholeness is not your
job title or the performance review that you got the other day. What do
you think about that connection of self worth to the workplace
environment that seems so tightly connected and, and what you were
saying before seems to be able to release that, right?
That, that work that you can do on yourself on your own.
Amanda Ring: Mm hmm. Yeah, I really feel the whole idea of identity is
very entangled in in worthiness and value and absolutely goal oriented.
And, you know, we are groomed from a very, very young age to to
gather all our accolades, like, you know, graduate from this, get this you
know, all these benchmarks to, [00:21:00] to meet rather than those be
things that are expansive to us in our nature, that then we get to be this
gift.
To society that we get to be that we get to both enjoy and receive and
give in it. So yeah, in the workplace, I think there's a lot to be done. I
don't certainly don't have all the answers to that by any stretch. And I
think that we're in a time where we're creating this together, like
recreating it and that there's nothing wrong with having goals and, and
having Things to strive for and we need deadlines.
We need some form of structure. That's a very that's the very archetypal
masculine energy of having Structure and process and we all benefit
from that for sure Yet it's out of balance because it's become like that
Those are those are the defining markers of well, I'm a I'm a good this or
I'm a good that once again hit those.
And we so internalize this by [00:22:00] wanting to feel a sense of
belonging and are worth being acknowledged when we haven't really
been nurtured to find that within ourselves first. It's an external, like once
I, Once I have this job or once I have this promotion or once I have this
house or once I have this relationship or once I've hit this monetary
mark, once I've done this, then I'm allowed to feel good about myself.

I'm allowed to be seen as having greater value in society. And that's so
harsh because we're not living in the present. We're constantly striving,
we're not thriving, you know, we're showing up, we're doing and putting
loads of effort in, but to what end? What do we see now? So much
mental health, so many mental health issues, so many.
chronic diseases. So many increased rates of disease process. And
there's no, there's no [00:23:00] there's no coincidence that it's related to
mental and emotional and psychological stress. And I feel that comes
right down to this. sense of like, of ourselves as, as having inherent
value. Like we, a lot of people just can't get their head around like, but I
don't have to do anything to be valuable.
Yeah. The concept of being born worthy is like,
Colin Kingsmill: Yeah, let me go look for it.
Carol Vickers: Wait a minute.
Amanda Ring: I work a lot with that. A big part of my work is self love
and a reclamation of self worth. of self worth. And I still work on these
things too. Like that, that little gremlin and the ego will come up
sometimes and say, shouldn't you have achieved this by now?
Or, you know, been at this part of the process, but that's not, that's not
our truth. That's [00:24:00] programming. It's, it's indoctrination we've
taken in for years through all. Forms of pathways. So I feel this time in
our humanity. Humanity's evolution. We need love and understanding
and we need people to be sovereign.
We need new ideas. We need people to come with their creative,
unique. perspectives. We don't need everybody to come out of the, the
Martell box, you know, exactly.
Carol Vickers: Amanda, you've talked a lot about spiritual, the spiritual
stress that we are all experiencing, and I'm really highlighting, I think, the
work that we need to do as individuals, our self work.
If our listeners were to take one step today about doing some of that
work, what would you recommend we begin with?

Amanda Ring: I would recommend, do you mean sort of those in the
[00:25:00] corporate world or just
Carol Vickers: people who are going to be going to work, who may
have listened to this at work, who think, Oh, I want to, I want to go down
that path.
How do I begin?
Amanda Ring: I would invite them to do. One of two things one being
doing a bit of journaling around what their identity is and how, what
they've, how they've placed value on their identity, you know, so just to
start to reflect on that and how. How that shows up for them because it
and this isn't about judgment or shame.
It's about self awareness and and we can't change what we don't see.
So where, where can they be more accepting and acknowledging of
their value. And so journaling can. First, it works really well for some
people just to, to explore that topic. Other people I say, so some people
aren't writers and I'm like, okay, everybody's got a phone, you know, on
your little audio recording on your phone, [00:26:00] just start talking this,
like, try to speak, speak it out.
So that's definitely one thing. And just to start to reflect on that, how, how
am I letting go or allowing. My workplace to define all of my worth, like,
how and what other ways do I offer value to myself and to my life? Like,
so starting to see outside of that because work isn't everything either.
And the other piece I would invite is, is actually starting to look at what
What is something that's a spiritual for them themselves?
Like is when they spend time in nature, is that something that connects
them to that space where they already feel peace? They already feel a
sense of softening, like literal dropping into their body and because that's
the space of worth right there. It's like, I'm here. So whether it's a walk in
nature or for somebody else, it might [00:27:00] actually be playing a
certain sport, but it brings them into this connection to themselves, but
usually a space and an intentional, like, what helps me feel connected to
something bigger?
Oh, yes. Something more sacred whether you're religious or not. It is not
religious. It's like there's the, the, the magic of the world, you know, that
it's like what helps me feel that lightness and openness and

groundedness. So there's, everyone has something and it's not the
checking out. Of a TV series or, you know, it's, it's something that it fills
you up from inside as soon as you experience it.
It's not coming from out there and filling you up, you know, like getting
together with friends and they give you all kinds of compliments and
things like that. It's no, it's like, there's a P that's all fun too, but it's like,
it's deeper than that. It's more it's your essence. You're connecting to
your essence.
That is. More [00:28:00] sacred. Yeah.
Carol Vickers: Lovely.
Amanda Ring: Hope that's helpful to the listeners. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
Christal Duncan: Yeah, Amanda, this has been, this has been a
fantastic conversation and your essence. Is really it's very true and true
truth is always sets us free. And so I want to just honor that and say,
thank you for that.
Thank you for I I'm noticing that people are tuning in and we've had
some really great numbers tuning in. And I think a lot of people will be
listening to this episode, our goal with everything that we do. Here at
getting to unstuck in particular is to give people to serve people in the
way that you've helped us do that today.
So I just, I want to say thank you for that.
We are going to wrap up now. If you.
Amanda Ring: Are
Christal Duncan: still here. Thank you for being here. Don't forget that
next Thursday whole human coaching is doing our first live coach whole
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It's 90 minutes in order to be a part of that. You have to sign up. And
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And we're going to be showing up whole. And if you choose to join us,
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And so you can find out more over at whole human coaching. com. And
if you like this episode, all you know, all the good stuff that you can do,
Colin. I'm going to hand it over. Yeah,
Colin Kingsmill: I, I, I will close this the show. I just had one question.
Last question for Amanda. And it's not a hard one. How can people find
you if they want to connect with you and and continue the conversation
with you?
Where can they find you? Where, what, what are your? Links and places
and stuff that you'd like to send people
Amanda Ring: to. Yeah, certainly. Thank you for, for that. And yeah, so
my website is Amanda hyphen ring. com so they can check out the
different offerings that I have there. I also [00:30:00] have a podcast
called flight of the feminine, and there's an episode dropping tomorrow
that is.
that would be helpful to your listeners. It's called your body is talking. Are
you listening? And so this is very, and there's a practical exercise in
there that I take people through. So the podcast, each episode will have
some kind of practical. Exercise that you can use in daily life to have that
sense of re embodiment, self awareness, self inquiry.
And, yeah, so I would say those are probably the primary ways. We'll
share that for sure. Yeah, and social media, I'm a little more active on
Instagram than I am Facebook, but I have presence there with Seven
Feathers Healing Arts, so you can reach out through personal message
as well. I'm happy to connect.
I offer free discovery calls, so if people want to have a chat. Excellent.
Then I'm happy to connect with you. Yeah. Thank you so much for
inviting me. Thank you.
Carol Vickers: This is
Colin Kingsmill: so, so great. And we, I, I, I, I have the, I have the topic
for our next, our [00:31:00] next podcast together because we started
talking about masks.

in the workplace. You arrive and you put on your mask. Anyway, I'm
gonna, I'll close the show now.