Frozen Quail Feeders Explained | Falconry, Reptiles, Culling & Shipping Tips

On this episode of the Poultry Nerds Podcast, we sit down with Brent from Zero G Quail Farm to talk all about frozen quail feeders, who buys them, how they are sized, packaged, processed, and shipped, and why they can be a valuable outlet for quail breeders.

We also go down some fun rabbit holes, including the history of quail hatched in space, the strange legal gray areas around keeping quail, and the surprising demand from the falconry community, reptile owners, raw feeders, and more.

In this episode, we cover:

What frozen feeder quail are and why people buy them

Falconry birds, reptiles, zoos, rescues, and raw feeding markets

How breeders use feeders as an outlet for culls

Sizing birds by weight for customers

Packaging and freezing tips that make birds look better and store better

Cervical dislocation vs. CO2 dispatch

Handling breeder birds vs. younger birds

Shipping challenges, dry ice, delivery logistics, and customer expectations

Using more of the bird for added value

Why setting boundaries matters if you want to turn quail into a business

If you raise quail, breed coturnix, sell feeders, or want to understand another side of the poultry world, this episode is packed with practical insight and real-world experience.

Guest: Brent of Zero G Quail Farm
Website: Zero G Quail Farms
Community Mentioned: Incubation Masterclass Facebook Group

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Transcript

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And we're here. How are y'all today we're gonna talk about something that we haven't talked about in a while. We have zero G Quail Farm here, and we're gonna talk about. Freezing stuff and all that good stuff on this episode of the Poultry Nerds podcast. Hi, Brent. How are you? Good, yourself? Yeah. We've got Brent from Zero G Farms. How did you come up with that Dame? So it's actually a little bit of a tip to the history of quail Concern X quail. So they were like the first poultry that was actually hatched in space. So that's where the Zero G comes from. And my wife also used to work for the largest model rocket company in the entire United States. So we just mashed all that together. And so we've got quail rockets. It's quail and astronaut suits, all that type of stuff. So branding stuff. So yeah, that's kinda where the Zero G came from. See the rocket science quail. We have rocket science quail, high tech quail. People say that quail ain't rocket science, but I guess it's zero G. It's, yeah, colorado is also the home space force, at least for now. It ties into a little bit of everything for it. So yeah, it was a fitting branding. That's cool. Okay, so we, you haven't been on our podcast and I don't know if you've listened to'em, but we tend to go down rabbit holes. So here's our first rabbit hole. What do you know about this hatching of quail in space? So it was done by the Russians on the mere space capsules slash missions. And they were actually trying to provide a living food source in outer space. So they were trying to get quail to go up and be able to lay eggs and kinda actually do the full cycle that we know for quail and have their own self-sustaining food system up there basically. Was their intent. And what they found out though is that quail don't like floating around. And so they struggle to, stuff like that. There's actually some pretty cool little videos. If you go down that rabbit hole some more there's some cool videos of them trying to figure out how to make that whole thing work. But yeah, they, they watched'em, they hatched them. They h hatched right on time. It was an interesting little experiment since that self-sufficiency, which. Again, ties back into what we try and do and teach. I wonder how you regulate the humidity in our response. I, that's an interesting one I was gonna ask, is it turn or no turn? Turn. I mean it's, if you're rotating around the earth, you could be turning Anne Tilton at the same time. Okay. And then my second question is, so we can hatch quail in outer space, but we can't have'em in HOAs, even more of a better reason to not live in a neighborhood. But I will say that I have more customers that can get away with Keter than they can with hens, even though CD ordinance say that they can't have birds, but they can have chickens, but they must be hens. It's limited to six I, I don't know. We got some stupid stuff going on in Jefferson County and that's just one of the many that we have. Gotcha. Yeah. We have a lot of stupid here too, but not on our property. That's what the gate's for. Yeah, exactly. Stay away. Do you have, you live in Colorado, Brent, right? They have all kinds of stupid out there, don't they? Yeah, we a little bit of, yeah, we got a little bit of everything going on right now, so it's but that ties back into the whole thing is in our area, we can't really have that many chickens. But the way quail are for us, they fall into super gray areas where we're exempt and nobody knows who to point the finger at or, who's actually responsible for stuff. So it's it works out and allows, I love that, some urban self-sufficiency kind of thing going on of, nobody really knows what they're doing or how to stop it or enforce it, and we just float along. And yeah, I see that a lot with NICs. When people get Bob Whites, they've been around forever and a lot of places have categorized them as game birds, right? So they fall in that category. But when you list game birds,'cause Turex is still in that gray area there's a lot of people, a lot of people that are able to give their HOAs the finger because they're not anywhere around. Yep. It's kind. We asked you here today because we've been getting lots of questions, or at least I have, about frozen feeders, and I know you do'em a little differently than I do'em. And so we thought we've touched on it before, Carrie and I have, but we are getting a lot more questions, so we're gonna just do a whole episode on it. And why it's really needed really in in the world really. Everything eats quail, right? Yep. So that's why they're so slow. And everything does eat quail. So I sell mine mostly to reptile people. Who do you sell yours to? So our main market out here in Colorado is the falconry falconry, Hawking, that type of organizations and individuals. We've been now doing this fully as a business since 2024, and I'd say probably solid 80 to 90% of our business is all that that style of stuff. And maybe 10% is the reptiles or pet feeder style. So is it like clubs or are they like, here we have rehabs. Is that what you're talking about, rehab? So we sell, we do rehabs or well, we donate to rehabs. But we also have like individual falconers that have their own licensing. They use'em for hunting out here in Colorado. That is an a season that they have. We also sell them to big organizations that are. Responsible for keeping track of that. Like the Colorado Hawking Association is one that we sell a lot of stuff to their members. And then we have some of the animal rescues and we'll call it private zoos that we also do supplying for as well. Okay. Wait a minute. Go back to the season thing. What are you talking about there? So you can actually, oh, you've never heard of that? That like you can, that's a whole thing. Yeah. No, and that, explain it to me like I'm a kindergartner. So they teach, they capture these birds. In Colorado, they're only able to keep'em for so long. So they cat catch a new bird every year and then they use that bird to go out hunting rabbits, squirrels. Stuff along those lines. And when they're not hunting or they're needing to train the birds, they use our feeders to be able to supplement'em. And these guys literally treat their birds like they are track stars and athletes. They wave the birds constantly. They're doing massive tracking on these animals. Which we'll get into later on. It's how that affects our selling of them. But it, they treat'em as real athletes. So they're needing to constantly give them a good quality food source that we're able to provide that way, and a consistent one. Okay. So you have bow season, you have rifle season, you have, there's another season, falconry. Yeah, there's like a whole different category for falconry. Yep. Is that just a west? They have. They have traps. That you can use to get a falcon and then you use, train that Falcon to get you, squirrels come for you. Yeah. And it even in the Middle East, it, I mean it's global that type of organization. And that's stuff, it's been pulling my leg, right? No ma'am. Look, Jennifer, I'm gonna tell you this. I wish, okay, Google it once. That's enough to get it to show up in your Facebook timeline and like you'll start seeing stuff and you're like, nuh, but you'll watch the video and it's cool. Like they, they train these birds to do some really neat stuff. So do they bring you the rabbit back so you can cook it for Yes. They'll pin it to the ground and they'll hold it. I mean they, there's, in certain parts of Asia they have hawks that are. 60 plus pound birds that they're using to hunt deer with. I mean they're, it's a, you'll find videos of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, you'll see like an entire personal airline that's full. And the hawks have their own little perch hanging out and they're in their hoods and then they go hunting. And it's a big global. Global type of tradition. Okay. I will Google it when we're done to rearrange my algorithm because right now I get is the rat terriers chasing the rats? It's basically what that is. But from the sky. Surely I am not gonna be our only. I guess listener that didn't know that was a thing. So I don't know. Maybe I am. Nah, no I doubt it because a lot of Falcon people especially the ones he was referring to, the private zoos, those type people you, you to stay at the farm. They have cell phones that they go to a gas station to buy a prepaid card for every month. That's how tight knit. Back. They don't want any attention. They just want to play with the birds, live their life and have nobody mess with'em. And I think it's the coolest thing in the world. I can relate to those people, like they've actually. Keep quiet about it. They're not like a lot of the other groups of people that do things that aren't what the world considers normal, and they do all kinds of videos on it and people are like, oh my God, they don't. They don't do that. Gotcha. Alright. You learn something every day. That's what the point of the podcast is, right? Yeah. Learn something new. Okay. So back outta the rabbit hole again. So these are the animals that need to eat. They have to eat something, right? Yeah. So we're just feeding them instead of people because they're not as picky, honestly. As people, correct. And like you and I have talked about before, with some of our color genetic disputes and debates that we've had, my, my Hawks and falcons, they don't care if it's an American Pansy or a German panzi. They could care. It's got meat and it's got the proper amount of meat and that's all they really care about. So it's a nice break from some of that sometimes. You don't have to worry about it. And for us, what it, what allows us to do is to coal super hard. It allows us to be really picky and know that we're not wasting anything and it's all gonna get used one way or the other. So that's really helps for our business side as well. Okay, so let's talk about that for just a minute. So some people would grow their birds on purpose to certain points to freeze them for the feeders. And then. I am a breeder first and use that as an outlet to remove the coals out of my breeding program. And then it allows me to. Hatch way more than I would've been able to before. Like for example, I coal straight outta the hatcher. You need the anything that's like super vigorous and running across the top of the hatching basket and go and save me. Save me now. I keep those. Or the colors that I need or whatnot. But the ones that are just sitting in the corner and they're just all, I don't know about this whole life thing, they're going in the freezer. Alright, let me help you out with that. Yeah. And then so I freeze once a week and then I. After I get the hatcher cleaned out, then I'll go to the brooders and I'll take everything out that looks puny or the smallest one, or I just don't need, something's changed and I put them in the freezer and then I just go cyclical that way. Just keep pulling like the runts or the smaller ones, or. They're not feathering correctly or just whatever reason, they just looked at me wrong. The mean ones, the whatevers. And so just for example, by doing the feeders on the side, I think I'm only keeping maybe 20 or 30% of what I hatch. That's a fantastic way to move your lines forward really quickly. Yeah, and we do both. So we have so much of a client base. We do have some hatching that we do have to do just for those to ensure that we've got the birds. But then we. Like you, it allows us to be super picky. I don't like how that leg looks, a jumbo bird that doesn't have a thick leg isn't gonna last long. It's gonna get grown up and turned into a meat bird for somebody else to eat. Stuff like that, it really allows us to dial in what we like for our standard of perfection for us, for zero G, and it allows us to see and choose quality that way. I totally agree. Same thing. Okay. So on the frozen feeders, so I do the reptile people, they want everything in grams. So everything is sized, you've got hatchling and then it goes up in, I dunno, 25. And then it breaks to 50 gram increments. Are the Raptor people the same way or do you do ounces and they're even more, specific because they have to know that they're feeding X amount of meat to the bird each time for the caloric value, all that sort of stuff, so they're breaking it down the same way, but they're very specific about wanting that weight range right where they want'em. When we bag, we actually separate'em into. Like half ounce range is where we usually separate'em into. If they get one bag, it's all gonna be half, half an ounce, plus or minus for of everybody else in that bag. So it allows'em to. Be more efficient that way. So I got an order a little over a year ago from a university and I was able actually to have a verbal conversation with her and pick up a little bit of information. And she specifically wanted older birds. Like the older breeder birds versus like younger birds that were just grown to a certain size. And I asked her why. I was like, they're not gonna be the most aesthetically pleasing, because they're older birds. And she said, because they're so much more developed, their bones have much more. Minerals and vitamins in'em. They're gonna have a little bit more body fat in'em. They're just a different nutrition profile for their purposes wherever they, whatever they were doing with the birds there. Have you ever heard that before? I have. Most of our customers though, when it's talking along those lines they want to know that the birds that you are raising for them are selling to them. Were healthy, good birds. So usually when they're asking that type of thing, it's more of, okay, are you selling me some junk feeders or junk? Old breeders that are worn out, stuff like that is more of what they're trying to confirm versus the more of the nutrition side, they want to know that you're putting out and giving'em a high quality product. They want something that was either raised for that or, was meets what your standard was to feed to their own animals that way. So you bring up a good point. What we don't do is we don't go through our cages and our brooders and pick up the dead ones and put them in the freezer. No, those go out to the pigs. Yeah. No. If you didn't call it yourself, that doesn't go into a feedback for somebody else to feed to their out. Exactly. Okay. So now let's get into the nitty gritty. So I call using CO2 gas, and that just basically requires a shallow Tupperware and a CO2 tank. And it takes, I don't know, 20 seconds or so maybe, and I can do hundreds at a time, but you don't do that. We were talking about it before we started recording. You have your clientele is even more picky, so tell us how you have to call yours. So we have to do the cervical dislocation. So basically, snapping the head at the neck. All I would say a solid 98% of our customers, that is the very first thing outta their mouth is how do you dispatch? And if you say CO2, they usually start asking a lot more questions. The second you say that you do cervical dispatch you can tell the mood changes and. Much more like understanding and confirming that you know what you're talking about and you're gonna meet what their goals are and their their needs are that way. Interesting. So you, you do all ages cervical dislocation. Yep. Do you do like the cup method? We we, I just hold right underneath the breast and. Seconds. Do you ever pop too much? You can. And tho those end up in a separate pile. But yeah, I mean we do so many of'em. It's you get used to the feel and it's just second nature now, and you just do it super fast and the birds don't fight it. They don't resist it, i, for us it's even on the doing chicks, which is harder doing a lot of chicks, that's a little rough, but it seems to be a lot less of a stressful process for the birds doing it that way, in our opinion, no, nothing's gonna be nice, right? No. Everything's gonna have a process, I am not adept at doing it. I just never, I've tried and I just can't do that popping with my thumb. So the CO2 tank, carbon dioxide is heavier than the air, so it kind of sinks in the T of air. And essentially they're suffocating and then they're gone. You put'em in the freezer. So I would, I'm, I've never timed it because I just do it and then walk away and come back about five minutes later. But if I had to guess, I would say I leave the tank on about 15 or 20 seconds. That sound about right? I don't, yeah, you're probably 20 to 30 depending on the size of the container, how many birds you got in there. Yeah, it's a pretty big container. I can fit about 400 in there. And it, but here's a trick though that I think people try to skimp on the gas because you don't, they don't wanna go buy more is I open mine wide open. So it's per as instant as I can make it. So yeah, I put a I have a piece of one by 12 that's about the size of the lid. I set that on the lid. Then I set a chunk of metal that probably weighs about five or six pounds. So the lid don't go and I open the thing all the way up, and I wait until 10 seconds after I stop seeing movement, I cut it off and then I'll go do something. Maybe one or two minutes pass and then Okay. Individuals boom in the freezer. Yep. That's essentially it. I know people ask us a lot of times like, how do you do it? I guess they think it's harder than it really is. I learned watching YouTube videos for mice, people. People doing it with rodents. I just, that's how I picked it up and set my system up. You get your CO2 gas at a welding supply store and it is an expense, like you have to buy the first canister, whatever, and it's, yeah, it's a couple hundred dollars, but it's not expensive to fill it up. It's, I think it was$30 last time I filled it up. And, I wanna say as often as I do it, I have to refill it maybe every three months or so. It lasts a while as long as you close the valve down. Really good. We did do it like twice in one week. One week because somebody didn't close the valve. I guess that's one too for you guys, since you're more experienced with that side, we've always heard that there's a lot of risk doing it with the CO2. Have you guys ran into any sort of kinda issues trying to do it or heard of stories where people are just doing it the wrong way? The only instance that we've had where we had an issue is I, do you know my room? Currently has the incubator and the brooders in the same room. Now, I know a lot of states you can't do that, but it didn't matter here. And so my CO2 tub and tank are in that room, right? So take'em outta the hatcher, put what I want in the Brooders, and then turn around and put the rest of'em in the tub. Remember when I said CO2 gas is heavier than the air? I had a tub, a big tub, a big brooder underneath of the tank. And it, I left it on. And anyway, I was sitting there and I was waiting and I look, happened to look down at the chicks and realize the ones in the brooder below were a little sleepy. So I got a big I think I took the lid to the hatching basket and I was fan you fan. And then they were all like, what's going on? What happened? Yeah. Then they were okay. Just maybe be mindful when you're doing stuff like that of what's around you. I'm, but some things you just don't think about until it happens, so now I have actually moved it, it's on my work table. It's away further away from the brooders. But other than that, no, I haven't had any, I haven't had any trouble in there. Now we did have a little instance bringing the canister home two or three refills ago. A funny story. We were in the truck and we had it. Tied to the tie downs right in the back of the truck. And we're coming down this road and the, there was a guy pressure washing his driveway. And so I said something about the guy pressure washing his driveway, which, okay, whatever. But has gosh, that fresh, that fresher washer seems awfully loud inside the truck. And David goes, it does. And then we drove past him, but you can still hear the pressure washer and it was really loud valve kicked open, so yeah. Yeah. They put that little screw on lid on there. Yeah. This one didn't have that. And we pulled over. There was a church on the corner, so we pulled in the church parking lot. David jumps out, and of course we had a. Newer trucks. So the tailgate, there's stuff going out. Oh, he, and he's it's frozen. And so he is trying to touch it. And of course you're not supposed to touch it because it's like dry ice, right? It's burning his hand. He is trying to turn it off. Actually, did you know that's how they made dry ice? Was carbon dioxide. Yeah. CO2 and something else goes in there. I saw a thing the other day where they just take like a burlap sack and put it on the spigot of the CO2 tank and turn it on full blast. And the burlap sack filled up with dry ice. Oh, that was pretty cool. Now, hey, you need to try that. It might save you some trips to Publix for Kroger. Let's not even talk about that right now. We'll talk about, actually we're gonna talk about that and, but we'll talk about that in a minute. Okay. So we have a list here. So we talk about how to call and then I just lay mine out on trays and set them in the freezer. Is that how you do it? So there's a little bit of airflow between them? Yeah, as long as we know that it's gonna be for like falconry use. We literally cool'em, put'em right on the tray, dump'em into the freezer, and they freeze up that way. If we know that they're gonna be for like a dog food supply or something along those lines, we do gut'em and clean'em out before we do that, but yeah, it's basically big metal tray into the freezer and enough space where it'll circulate around them and they freeze out. Whatever the customer want. Yep. To a degree. Depends on how big the order is. Yeah, that's true. Okay, so diet. I don't change my diet on my birds before Cho, do you? Nope, not at all. Just feed'em. We usually yank'em out of the same cage and call'em out right then and there. And packaging. Do you package yours? Yep. So we do either, the pressure seal bags or we do ziplocs depending on the customers. We even have a couple that, they only have one or two hawks, so they only want two birds per package type of thing. And that's where we'll get a little specific with the customers on how they want their own packaging done up. But yeah, that's generally all we do on'em. Yep. Ziploc bags. So I have learned over the time of doing this, you want to have them frozen when you put'em in the Ziploc bags. Yes. Yeah. The, see we have some tips for people, right? Yeah. If you do it the other way around, that heat and the moisture off their body is make slice crystals and stuff. Yep. And it's a hot. It doesn't look presentable. It's not, it doesn't look presentable. And when you, like I had a customer one time that wanted them package 25 to a pack on the new, like the chick's, new, new chick's, 25 gram weight range. And I was like, okay, shoot, I, they want a lot. Let me just try it this way. And I was like this. Don't look good at all. So yeah, I learned that lesson the hard way. Yeah. And then right on the Ziploc bags, what they are, because once they're frozen, it's hard to tell. Yeah, and we, like for Colorado, we have to have certain process processing, location, all that type of stuff. So that's how we seal our bags is with a thermal paper kind of sticker thing. Works real good for us. Does it fall under cottage walls? I mean it could, but no, it's it's just how we have to deal with that stuff so they know where it came from and gay Morgan doesn't pull somebody over and think it's a wild bird or something like that and cause issues. So yeah, we have to have'em marked and how they're processed. Yeah, we took the time to freeze it. And then go out in the woods with it and you'd be surprised. That's wild. That's wild. We just throw them in a Ziploc bag and call it a date. People need to move on in more special, things to do. Yeah. Okay. So we touched on this a little while ago, but the old breeders, so those aren't really. Pretty enough to sell to retail customers. Is that a nice way of saying that? Yeah. So dog food, especially if you're having your breeders run the right way. If you've got a one to four or one to three, those hens look rough. Yeah. Yep. So raw dog food people, they're fine with that because they're okay with some feathers, but they don't necessarily want all the feathers. The dog food people. It depends. We'll sell'em even at the factory guys. But we do a huge discount on'em. And we're very upfront about, Hey, this is a breeder batch. Do you want a discount set so that you can, have a little bit of a discount? And usually they're pretty okay with that. We always declare what it's gonna be. Yep. Yep. Alright. Now you do anything special, cut their toenails or beaks or you do that stuff? Yeah. So I would say 90% of our customers out here want the lower leg removed. Which actually works out pretty good'cause then you don't end up with toes trying to poke through bags stuff like that. We just run through and clip the lower leg off and once they're been dispatched and then cut the lower leg off, throw'em in the freezer and let'em ride. But do you, that's about do dehydrate de the, do you dehydrate the lower leg and sell them for cat treats? We have. And actually our pet food guy will take'em and he'll do stuff with that, with them on them too. So it allows you another point of sale too. You're able to use more of the bird and more of the profit out of it that way as well. So another tip, if we wanna go backwards a little bit here to the freezing part of it. You were talking about the legs poking through. So I set mine on. I'm just gonna say it on the hatching time baskets that come with the C two one eighty's, you know the two that you sandwich together? Yeah. I don't use those, I don't use those because my big hatcher has different kind of baskets. So I actually use them for freezing the quail is what I do. And you can. You know they're rectangular, so you can offset them in the freezer air and you can offset'em. Crisscross'em. Yeah. You get great airflow with it. So when I set them on that, I actually tuck their feet underneath of'em. I don't just throw'em, I take the half a second. Once you figure it out, it just takes a half a second and. Like they're sitting upright, like in a crouching position like a cat almost. And that does make it easier to package them later. We used to take rubber bands and do it that way and literally you hold the wings in, legs in and just kinda make a softball. And that used to be the way we did it before, we had so many people just requesting the lower leg to be off. Hey, you know what? Now you've got me thinking. I wonder if they even care about the wings. Can you take the wings off? So our f people want the wings. You could, for some people, I'm sure if I brought it up with enough customers of, Hey, do you want these or not? That'd be another byproduct that you could turn around and sell as well. But yeah, most of our guys, they'll, all they're wanting removed is the lower leg and then everything else is fair game, basically. And so for our listeners, the reason why I bring that up is you can dehydrate the wings and sell them for cat toys, for bird dog trainers, for treats, for, just whatever, lots of different stuff. Crafting that kind of stuff. And it's pretty easy to do. You just throw'em in the dehydrator. I do mine for about 24 hours. Make sure you do it in the garage or in the barn. Don't do it in your house. S. Stinks. Yeah. But yeah, I didn't even think about that,'cause I just do the same as you. I just put'em in there. But it might be worth asking because if you can take that burden, turn it into$10 because. It's worth it. Why not? If they're just throwing them away? Because there's not really any meat there, there's no nutritional value. I wouldn't eat. No. I've seen our I've seen our hawks though, eat them. Like some of our customers have sent videos and they don't really tend to care. They just down almost the entire thing. There's very little left of, a tunic quail and, several pound Hawk decides it's hungry, exactly. I could see that, huh? Be worth asking though. Okay and then the last thing on our little list here is shipping and delivery. What do you do with yours? So all of ours, thankfully, our local-ish style deliveries, so I think our farthest ones, two and a half hours. So we usually just load up a big Yeti or, igloo cooler with ice and pack all the birds in and roll'em out. We are, we're not having to ship. A lot of our, all of our stuff's here is local, so we just do our own delivery. And it makes it nice too because we get to interact with the customer a little bit more other than just a random box showing up and, people can put a face to the crazy quail guy. See, that's why I like running my feed route for my deliveries is I get to interact with my people. Like I, I like seeing other chicken and quail people. Yeah. I'm just gonna stay here. Everybody has to come visit me. So I do ship. I am probably going to stop shipping. Probably the summer. I had came to a halt last summer and I didn't miss it. It's very difficult to ship, especially in the summer heat. First it's very, I'm really rural and it's hard to find dry ice. And it, dry ice is a requirement to ship and, because there's no way to keep it cold otherwise you're gonna be paying for overnight, and then it's just not cost effective. The other reason is if it's. A big order and it is delayed. How long does it take you to redo that order? And it's, there's just not enough in it for shipping. Shipping's too expensive. Dry ice is. Almost$3 a pound after tax here. It's just crazy. It's, I don't know, it's not really cost effective. I guess I could raise my prices and if people were okay with it then okay. Yeah. Oh shit. But right now the shipping part of it,'cause people will order four babies and I'm like, ugh. Why, let's at least fill the cooler because I need to fill the cooler. So maybe I should put a minimum or something on it. That's what we do, especially on the small stuff. We have minimums. When I first started I had these itty bitty littley tiny coolers, and they fit in a poly shipper. But I have since run out of those and I probably just haven't updated my website since I ran out of'em. That's probably what I need to do. But yeah, so I can't think of really anything else other than the raw dog food people, but those are a different category than what we're talking about. And they're much more selective. I guess is the right word to say. They seem to each want different things. Somebody wants'em gutted, somebody wants toes off, somebody wants no feathers, somebody wants, they're all different. Yeah. And I'm inclined to just sell them live and they can do what they want to with'em that way. I think that's one of the things too especially if you're going to look at that avenue is being able to know how to. Almost assembly line it to where you know, hey this guy's gonna get this. And when you're going through and doing everything, making sure of, hey, I have to have 50 that are x, y, or Z done way. If you're just processing up batches, it's real hard to keep track of that sometimes. And that's where kind of the headache is, if, yeah, we all know it's gonna take several weeks to regrow a bird. So if I mess up an order of, Hey, all these are supposed to be gutted. Hey, now I'm, six to eight weeks behind on where we needed to be for that order. So it's one where you really gotta be paying attention to. Yep. You cannot thaw one out and gut it. It doesn't work. No. They get mushy. It's stra. Yeah. You don't wanna, I wouldn't even wanna try that. That would just, no, I didn't. I didn't do it. I just got feedback from a customer who did it I don't know. So I don't do a lot of raw dog food here as far as those are concerned. I've done a few here and there. The people who will just hand them a frozen bird and go GNA on it. Those are my people. The other ones I'm a breeder first. If I did dog food first, that would be different, but I'm not. And so I have to set those boundaries and that's okay. I can't do that. Yeah. Yeah, and I think that's one of the biggest things too or biggest disclaimer for all of this type of thing is. Being able to, one, set your boundaries of Hey, I just, I can't do that. Two, also, being upfront about what your actual capacity is. Everybody wants to say, oh, it's great. I can get rid of all these feeders and all this stuff. Yeah, but you're feeding an animal that is on a schedule. If you're not able to keep up with their schedule, you're only gonna be able to say, I'm behind once or twice before they're going to somebody else that can get them the products that they need. And I think that's where a lot of people don't make that good jump from the hobby side, to like the business side is they're not able to step up and say, Hey, I can't do this. This is what I can do. And then making sure that they're able to keep to it, that's the biggest thing. Yeah. Tell everybody where they can find you because you don't ship anything, right? No we do ship. A little bit of stuff. But mainly it's like feet, legs, stuff like that we do ship. We do have our own craft line items that we do we do resin eggs products business card holders, stuff like that where we try and use more of the quail and the egg shells, all that sort of stuff. But we have Facebook, which is our farm name, zero G Quail Farms. We also have our website, which is same thing, zero g quail farms.com. We do have an online store on there. We have a bunch of educational blogs a lot of kind of cool stuff to really dig around and explore it on that site. And then we're always able to answer through emails or through the website, and you are in the mountains in Colorado? Yep. Outside of Denver. Yeah, we're an hour we're technically two hours south of Denver and that's the other reason why we don't ship a lot of frozen is even for here inside of the state, all of our stuff has to go to Denver and then go somewhere else. So all of our stuff you're adding at least two days to the trip, especially if it's down south. It just doesn't work out that way for a lot of that stuff. Yeah. Logistics. All right. And if everybody listening wants some help with incubating, we have created a Facebook group incubation masterclass, and Brent is one of the admins in that group too, so he can help you out with the high altitude incubating. That's why we have him in there. Thank you very much for being here, Brent. We appreciated it. I agree, we appreciate it. And on, on that high altitude thing, we on that website, we do have a kind of community experiment we're doing. So if you want to look at some of that stuff and look at the effects of actually shipping eggs from low altitude to high or high to low, and you're hatching a bunch of eggs every year, it might be something, take a look at and see if we can dial some of this stuff in for everybody else around the country that way. So I appreciate for appreciate the time for letting me come on. Sounds good. I'll talk to you later. Yep. I enjoyed it was awesome. You guys have a great night. You too. You too.