Cheeky Run Club

To race, or not to race?

• Phoebe Pincus & Anna Coldham • Season 4 • Episode 1

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HELLO AND WELCOME TO SEASON FOUR!!!!

Very happy to have you here and very happy to be back with each other in person! Today, we are going to discuss the pros and cons of racing for amateur runners, as well as how we're going to plan what to do next. We'll also have a catch-up on what’s happened over the last few weeks, talk through a couple of changes for season 4, and bring back a crowd favourite segment.

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Anna:

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Phoebe:

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Anna:

Welcome to season four of cheeky run club, the social running podcast and community for your everyday amateur runner. Hello, Phoebe.

Phoebe:

Hello Anna.

Anna:

hello listeners. Today,

Phoebe:

we are going to be having a catch up about everything that's happened over the last few weeks. We'll be talking you through a couple of changes for season four and we'll deep dive into the main topic of this episode, which is to race or not to race, where we will discuss the pros and cons of racing for amateur runners. But first, as always, we will kick it off with our notable runs of the week slash, should we do the last few weeks? Cause it's been a couple of weeks since we last recorded. Yeah. Okay. Last few weeks. So Anna, I want to hear about the best run of your last couple of weeks.

Anna:

weeks. Well, firstly, welcome back. You've been hot off the plane. It's been 12, no, 24 hours, 24 hours. Yeah. My best run of the last few weeks is actually this morning. We got to run together and a few of the other girls, we had another friend Jenna on the bike, and I think it was the first time for me that. Everything felt. kind of normal. In the sense that running with friends, had coffee after. It's one of the reasons why I love running so much is for that whole atmosphere. And it was just so nice.

Phoebe:

was so nice. I agree. The coffee afterwards is nice. It just felt so unrushed. Yeah,

Anna:

I agree. I agree. And it's also just, I loved being away, but it's really nice being home as well. Yeah,

Phoebe:

I felt that this morning as

Anna:

morning as

Phoebe:

okay, we're back. And it felt, even though it wasn't, um, hot necessarily this morning, it feels like summery,

Anna:

Yeah, there's like summers,

Phoebe:

in singlets.

Anna:

air. Yep. How do my Ruckabees? Shout out to

Phoebe:

Rockabees? Yeah, I

Anna:

reply to my email. I was

Phoebe:

Anna's begging Rockabees to sponsor us. I don't know if they're interested. Anna's like, please, I love your products so much. I'll do anything for some free Rockabees.

Anna:

Um, that was my best run.

Phoebe:

I actually saw you taking yourself off for your Rockabees. Everyone's sitting around having coffee. Anna just takes herself off to Coles.

Anna:

the road. Must recover. Um, how are you? What was your best run?

Phoebe:

I'm good.

Anna:

last three? Well, yes, since Berlin. Best run.

Phoebe:

best run. I've been, um,

Anna:

I don't think you're going to say this morning.

Phoebe:

No, I did love this morning. That can have a notable mention, but it's not my best run. I, so yeah, for the last three weeks I've been traveling around, um, post Berlin and I haven't been running much at all. I've been, I've done kind of a couple of runs a week, but no more than like six K's really. I actually only did it really when I wanted to like explore the city that I was in a bit more. Because I wasn't like for ages. I was still feeling like I was recovering from the marathon and I wanted to take the time off. So I was like, I'll just do it when I want to see someone. Yeah. The best run was definitely, like bled. It's actually one of one of my highlights of the whole few weeks is like, this time of year, it's normally pretty cold and it's in Slovenia. Yep. And it's only a couple, we were in Munich and it's like a couple hours drive from there. So we did like the most beautiful drive and it's a 6k loop around the lake or just less and it's all flat. Yeah. Anyway, it was always like cold and miserable and rainy. And then we woke up the next morning and it was like, The perfect morning. I can't even tell you how perfect it was. It was still as anything, not a cloud in the sky, like the sun just starting to rise. So like, that is this like with a, castle in the middle. Um, I put up

Anna:

Saw it from your

Phoebe:

yeah, put up a video on Instagram because it was that nice. And it was just one of those runs where.

Anna:

that, no actually the

Phoebe:

The whole run, we were just like, this is insane.

Anna:

it.

Phoebe:

so nice. It was so beautiful. And I just kept thinking like, it's, it's so worth being able to run just to be able to do a run.

Anna:

run. Yeah. It's a good

Phoebe:

a good enough reason to

Anna:

I feel as though that is one of the main reasons why running when you're traveling is so good. Because it's such an efficient way to see the cities or the towns. And quite often, because you're going early, you're up before the tourists get up. And you see the locals a little bit more and what their life's

Phoebe:

a little bit more. My

Anna:

worst runs was the other week. I really did not feel like going to the gym to go on there. I was, I had planned to go on the elliptical for a little bit of cross training. Anyway, you know those mornings you just cannot be bummed. Bummed? Bothered?

Phoebe:

How do you finish your trashy TV series that

Anna:

Yes! That is! Okay, so for anyone that wants to watch a couple of TV series while they're, if they run on the treadmill or elliptical or the bike, Number one, nobody wants this. Number two, uh, the perfect couple. They are the best. TV shows so much so that Nobody wants this was so good that I'd actually stopped on the elliptical because I hit my half an hour, but I was halfway through an episode. So then I continued to watch it on the walk out of the gym into the car.

Phoebe:

know I started watching Nobody

Anna:

Do you like it?

Phoebe:

well,

Anna:

I love Adam Brody. I'm obsessed.

Phoebe:

But I, I, sorry, I started watching it because we got onto our flight home

Anna:

a few days ago,

Phoebe:

And we were flying with an airline that did, it was the cheapest flight we could find. And it just had no like movies really to watch. And we realized last minute, so I was, went onto Netflix on my phone quickly was like, I'll just download something. And I'd seen people, I think in one of our like running group chats actually talking about how good that

Anna:

and

Phoebe:

And so I started to download, I like clicked download for the series, but it downloaded all of them to halfway.

Anna:

Oh my gosh. So you watched the whole series

Phoebe:

didn't watch, I watched the first three

Anna:

didn't watch it. I

Phoebe:

Like just the first 10 minutes of each of them. I was like, I'm actually really enjoying this, but I don't understand

Anna:

because they're short episodes as well. Oh my gosh. I thought it

Phoebe:

it was great, but I need to like fill in the

Anna:

like it. Rewind. Um, yes. Anyway, so I finished those. Went on the elliptical. Realised I had forgotten my watch. And that was, I don't know. I know this sounds silly, but. My watch kind of keeps me accountable. For actually staying on, particularly when I can't be bothered anyway. And I was just there, and after 15 minutes, I just thought, I

Phoebe:

don't need to do this. I've

Anna:

I've done my little bit. Anyway, so, I got off, and I went home. But, it was only, I mean, I shouldn't even, it wasn't even really that bad, but I just, I just wasn't in the mood for it, and that's all right. I still got my coffee on the way

Phoebe:

my coffee on the

Anna:

treating myself.

Phoebe:

so you traded yourself.

Anna:

what was your best run? Oh, worst run,

Phoebe:

worst run? My worst run? Was in Venice So again, I don't want to complain because I was in Venice, which is very

Anna:

most cool. Oh my god, I hated running around

Phoebe:

but so mostly traveling in Europe in October is amazing because it's so much quieter Unfortunately, Venice is still super busy and I Because the sun wasn't rising till like 7. 30, I couldn't really start super early anyway. And so by the time I started like 7. 30ish, it was packed. And so many people like commuting to work, and it's not a great city to run around at the best of times. Like there's no really space to run. So, as in, you're just running up and down bridges and through. Yeah. And yeah, I just. I was just battling like the commute, like thousands and thousands of people

Anna:

it just would, and you'd never get into a rhythm. I

Phoebe:

Not at all.

Anna:

went there, but obviously I couldn't run. Yeah. And, I thought, because there are some places that we went to, and I thought, Oh gosh, this would be so nice to run here. That was one of the places where I was almost to be relieved that I didn't have

Phoebe:

to run. Oh,

Anna:

imagine it being a bit of a nightmare. Yeah. You

Phoebe:

You know, I thought about you a bit when I was traveling in the sense that it would have been so hard to train for a marathon and travel. Yeah. I, I like, don't know how, like, every, half the places we went to, most of the places, there wouldn't have been a great spot

Anna:

a

Phoebe:

And then just how tiring travel itself, like, Doing stuff every day. Yeah. And I was exhausted at the end of every

Anna:

every day, you end up, I was exhausted. Yeah, definitely. Well, obviously been would have been biting off a bit more than

Phoebe:

Yeah.

Anna:

chew. Well, um, but yes, and nice to have you back.

Phoebe:

It's good to be back. It does feel very good to be back. Yeah. And I'm excited for season

Anna:

I know. Very

Phoebe:

So we should talk through, before we jump into the main topic, we had a bit of a reflection on what we want season four to look like. Obviously season three, we did things a little bit differently and we focused more on our specific journeys in the lead up to marathon, the training itself was really fun, but obviously we both also faced a lot of challenges and I think we came out feeling like, Whoa, there's probably a lot of things that we wish we could have told ourselves or we wish we'd known more about or we're still left wanting to know

Anna:

more about. More about, yeah. I think in our Reflections episode, the bonus that we did a few weeks ago, the lessons that we discussed and chatted about, I thought it was so insightful even just to hear what you had thought. like looking back on the build to Berlin and even myself, cause it's so, it's interesting, you know, sitting down and actually having time to reflect. And there are so many gaps in our knowledge. And as much as we love just getting on here and chatting, we thought it would be really good to actually get some, experts on occasionally for us and everyone. To learn about, some of the challenges that we face and how to better prepare yourself for the

Phoebe:

yourself for. Yeah. Yeah. So this season is basically going to be dedicated to everything we wish we could have done. known last season, so things from like. Understanding how sleep and recovery impact your training, just for example. Um,

Anna:

um, and, um, protein, um,

Phoebe:

yeah, strength, nutrition, diving into some of these areas. And as Anna said, we're still We're going to have some very exciting experts lined up. We're also going to, do some of our own research in some of these areas. They're very excited.

Anna:

good. So for the main topic today, we wanted to talk about something that is very rev rebel

Phoebe:

to both

Anna:

relevant to both of us right now in our running journeys. you've just finished a big marathon block and I am coming back from injury. So how do we decide whether to book in another race or cruise for a bit?

Phoebe:

You, um, which Actually, this has probably been me for a while, just constantly have the next race lined up. And so we're going to talk about the pros to that approach and like the pros to like having races on your calendar in general, but then, um, there's a lot of people who'd never race and just run

Anna:

and It's not necessarily the cons of racing, but the pros of not racing. Yeah. When I was thinking about this there are so many reasons why. Running as that act is just so good by itself. And if you love it enough, which we do, and also part of the reason why we started this podcast in the first place is to help other people fall in love with running. You shouldn't actually need the races to keep you

Phoebe:

place, is to help other people fall in love with racing. You shouldn't actually need the races to keep you going. Anything in between like what's that decision making process like? So we wanted to talk through like how we'll probably we'll talk through both what we're thinking about doing next and how we're thinking about making that decision and then we'll pull together a few core principles to help you make that decision. Yeah I think the other thing that's tricky is that

Anna:

You know, you do a 5k and then you do a 10k and the natural progression is to just increase the distance. But once you get to a half or a full, what do you do then? Are you just trying to get faster or should you do something else? Because yeah, there is a ceiling to that sense of achievement for doing something for the first time.

Phoebe:

A hundred percent. Yeah, I agree.

Anna:

So speaking of what's a positive that you get from racing and signing up for a fun run? Yeah.

Phoebe:

I'd say for me personally, I really enjoy the race itself. I love the like, there's no time in running where I push myself as hard as I do racing. It's like the emotion that sits around the race, like the nerves in the lead up to it, the pushing yourself, the like feelings afterwards, like there's always, no matter how you perform, like there's a level of like pride that you've done it and just like excitement for your friends. It's almost like racing serves as a totally different purpose to like your daily runs, which like regulate you and you feel good and you feel happy or whatever. But then races are like these peaks where like everything comes together. So I'd say the race day itself is a big pro. Like I really enjoy that part of it. What are some other growth

Anna:

that you get out of races and in running, can be transferred to so many other facets of your life. So I feel like a lot of the time, really good things don't happen unless you sort of, you know, challenge yourself and put yourself in a space that might be a little bit uncomfortable, whether that be in relationships, going on a hinge date, or in work trying something new or presenting for the first time a lot of Growth doesn't really happen unless you are putting yourself out of your immediate comfort zone And I think for me running as a whole is the leader in that. And I feel like I get that mostly from racing. So I'm putting myself out of my comfort zone. And I always, I always think even when I get back to work or anything, if I can endure a race and really be testing my limits there, then doing a presentation or speaking up at a meeting feels so much

Phoebe:

Yeah. And I think on that, that's why, particularly when you have a race where you do, you know, And you hit your goal. There's no pride quite like it because it's like, I did that. I put in the effort. I was disciplined enough to follow that program or push myself or whatever it is. Whereas like a lot of things in life, there's so many other factors and it's like, is it down to the lock? Whereas there's a, there's a very pure. Pride that you can get from achieving a race goal that I think is hard to replicate in other areas of your

Anna:

Yeah. It's, it's simplified. It's you and the road. And obviously there are external factors. It's all about the wind or the weather or whatever, how you slept the night before. But yeah, it's very much you.

Phoebe:

that's actually, it's interesting, like that point of it's you, cause it's true that

Anna:

I

Phoebe:

think a lot of people don't like racing because it, well, when I first was starting to run more as an adult, um, I thought I related racing back to like cross country at school, where you're actually versing the people around you. And there's a first place where it's like running as an amateur runner, you're only competing against yourself. Like no one cares really what you come in the race. That's not really a thing.

Anna:

would have no idea what any, you or anyone of our friends came in

Phoebe:

no. I mean, it's just so irrelevant, but, and so that's it's a, Cool part of racing that's different now to, I guess, school where it's just you're competing against yourself and that's the only like metric

Anna:

you competing against yourself and not seeing like the metric that you're comparing yourself to. going to work or just having something outside of work that I feel like I'm progressing in. Um, and I don't know if that's a personality thing or if a lot of people feel that way. But I like having the idea that I've got this little thing in my pocket that's

Phoebe:

important

Anna:

important to me and is just a thing that obviously do with friends, but yeah, I'm the one that kind of has control over. Yeah. I think so. Like it's, I guess it's like good in life to have that balance.

Phoebe:

it. Um, they provide a structure that you can train towards, like, depending on what race I'm doing, that will impact what program my coach gives me. So I think it's, I think I'd feel quite lost sometimes without a race because it'd be like, what, what am

Anna:

am I doing?

Phoebe:

then another, like, in relation to that, it gives you a really clear excuse for downtime. I think without races, it's really easy to just. Um, so I think it, it, it adds that like cyclical element to your running,

Anna:

running. Yeah, which is nice. Otherwise, yeah, if you just do a huge training block, then you almost feel like it's Groundhog

Phoebe:

Yeah. You're

Anna:

You're kind of just doing the same thing.

Phoebe:

Let's start talking about the pros of not racing, because I loved not having a race in a way that I know that there's a risk that it could go to groundhog day. I guess the difference in COVID was like, it's the, it was the one thing you could do. So it was always going to be good. I do think having a race, having that goal really does increase the risk of injury or burnout when it comes to running a new slash.

Anna:

on a cricket ball as we're recording.

Phoebe:

ball? Do you, do

Anna:

I asked Phoebe and Sean, we're recording at their place and they had this cricket ball lying around and I didn't bring my ball to sit on for my hammy. So I asked Sean, Is this cricket ball

Phoebe:

valuable to you, to be fair, he

Anna:

Yeah, I know. And I'm still sitting on it

Phoebe:

and I'm still sick of it. Um, but yeah, it's, I think fundamentally, when there's a race, for all those reasons that we just spoke about, having a race, Changes your running. Why? To a degree, yes. Because running becomes about, I'm running because I'm training for this race. Yeah. Which is very different than if you don't have a race, you have to have other reasons to run. I've run'cause I wanna be social, whatever the reason is. Yeah. And so I think,, uh, pro of not racing is that you can. You are in control of your running Y for want of a better word. It's not because you're racing.

Anna:

Yeah, I think it can become very consuming, which can also be a positive, um, but sometimes a negative in that sense that you lose track of your running why. And I know that we've spoken about before, you can be so diverse in your running whys. But I feel like the social element, and the fun element can sometimes fall to the wayside a little bit if you are a little bit too locked in to the, race itself.

Phoebe:

even the running to make you feel good and energized element, because

Anna:

Yeah, that's

Phoebe:

you have a race and you're pushing yourself really hard and you actually feel really bad in your everyday life, that is like, it actually becomes at odds of what are the

Anna:

time. Yeah,

Phoebe:

why we run. And I feel like that has definitely happened a bit over in particular, like the build for Berlin is running for the subsumed all other reasons to run and I obviously I still really enjoyed it and it

Anna:

it was

Phoebe:

but it is so nice to now remember like when I was traveling I was running to explore yeah and I was running just to move my body before the day or whatever and get outside and see the fresh air and see the environment whereas that's such a that felt like it felt like a different experience than when I was running before the marathon

Anna:

Yeah, as you're saying, I think you can sometimes lose the joy a little bit, it's much easier to, be social and just go with the flow and flexible when you don't have a race because, especially if you're following a program, sometimes that can be a bit antisocial if you don't.

Phoebe:

you're doing something,

Anna:

But then, you know, you catch up with friends, or you message your friends, and they're very keen too. for 30

Phoebe:

Yeah. And you're like, well, I've got to do a

Anna:

But yeah, and so then you lose the side of that. And I am, I'm definitely guilty of it. And it's obviously, it's one of those things that it's not like saying, no full stop. It's just like a not now thing, which is good in a way. And I really love that. But sometimes, especially when you're tired or there's other stresses in your life, that's the stuff that is worth its weight in gold is going for a job with friends and then getting coffee after without any other thought, because that's the relaxing part. It's quite meditative and you just feel. So wholesome

Phoebe:

Yeah.

Anna:

and sometimes if you're super focused on a race you lose sight of that

Phoebe:

Yeah. I, I feel like that happens with, um,

Anna:

Can't

Phoebe:

too much about the race outcome as well. Yeah. Like I think sometimes what you see is. Um, I mean, and we spoke before about how a good race result is like a joy, like no other, you know, it's a really amazing feeling in the same token, a bad race result can be very, um, can be like very hard emotionally for people,

Anna:

Very disengaging.

Phoebe:

disengaging. But also I think what happens is like, people feel like. Oh, I need to get a better time. I need to, and they immediately sign up for the next one. And it can sometimes become this cycle of like constantly next one, next one, next one. Like I'm sure I can do better. And you don't give yourself the chance to step back and mentally switch things up or physically rest or whatever that is because you're running. And this comes back to our running. Why I think beer running becomes about getting that outcome that you're driving towards and it can become quite obsessive, I

Anna:

Yeah. Yeah. And it's part of the reason why we love it'cause it is obsessive and we are a little bit addicted to it. But I do think that there yeah. Is something in going for a race and really putting your head down, and following a program, but then also. There's times for just stepping back a

Phoebe:

little bit. Yeah.

Anna:

and that doesn't mean to say that you're not running. You could be running just as much, but it's just, it's that mindset switch to running for different reasons and running for the love of it. And I think it's when you don't have a performance goal or a racing goal and you are still running, that's when you know you're

Phoebe:

are still running. That's when you know you're actually just running a lot better. It's on high stakes, but it relatively, it feels like high stakes. It's like, there's a big race, something like Berlin, like you're flying over there. There's a lot of pressure around it. Um, you're putting a lot of money towards it. Um, like the race itself, the gear, the injury management, whatever that looks like, whereas, you know, Races don't need to be that high stakes and it's probably good to intersperse races that are literally just like, oh cool, maybe I'll do this local race for fun. You still get the experience and like the enjoyment, but it's less about the outcome because you're not, you don't have a whole block leading up

Anna:

Yeah, yeah, you're more actually just enjoying the atmosphere. That's something as simple as, you know, on a Monday being like, Oh, I feel like testing myself. I'm going to do park run on

Phoebe:

Parkruns,

Anna:

I feel like park runs, need more time in the limelight. There's such good events. And you can satisfy those feelings I was speaking about before of challenging yourself or testing your limits, but also in the way that it doesn't become all consuming.

Phoebe:

How, yeah, how do you decide what distance you want to race?

Anna:

I think because I've had the goal of doing a marathon for probably now two years or so, we had the Berlin entries, well, I reckon 18 months ago,

Phoebe:

So

Anna:

Yeah. So long, ago. So over the last 18 months, it was all in the quest for doing the marathon. So I was doing some 5Ks over summer. Almost to keep things interesting and because I do, as I said, I do racing and challenging myself. So do it, did a couple of those. And then It kind of depends what's on the calendar. I love going to the Gold Coast for the Gold Coast Marathon weekend. And There is no rhyme or reason why I chose to do the half over the 10k. I think I just like the longer ones better

Phoebe:

Than the 10k. Yeah.

Anna:

Actually, this is so embarrassing. Not embarrassing, but I honestly think part of it is because the half marathon is on the Saturday and the 10k is on the Sunday. So if you do the half at the Gold Coast, then you can't get the whole weekend to relax after. You're done

Phoebe:

the timing is so good.

Anna:

like, My coach

Phoebe:

uh,

Anna:

me to do my

Phoebe:

feel like my coach always wants me to do marathons.

Anna:

I did

Phoebe:

I normally end up signing up for another marathon six months away or whatever, and doing a half marathon in the lead up and then getting injured before the marathon ever, ever starts. That's my usual method,

Anna:

not doing one of them.

Phoebe:

Um, very experienced runners saying they don't think everyone should be signing up to do a marathon because they're like, no, the best way to do it is like, start with a 5k, then do a 10, then a half, then a full, and like, respect the distance kind of thing. And they're saying like, Because I actually don't think many, I think most people like maybe do a half first and then do a full. I don't think many people do 5k's

Anna:

I definitely think 10Ks but not more so 5Ks. I think we even spoke about it at the start of the year. 5K events don't really seem all that accessible.

Phoebe:

instance, the

Anna:

instance, the ones that we were doing, they were on a track. They're quite intimidating and I feel like I was comfortable doing them because we were doing them as a

Phoebe:

Yeah, a few of us

Anna:

Yeah,

Phoebe:

Don't, rocking up alone would be so

Anna:

would be so scary.

Phoebe:

it is so fun.

Anna:

fun. Once you do it, I feel like once you do it once you're like, okay, this is pretty cool. Cause it's, they're normally on weekday evenings. This is for people. people in Melbourne if they want to sign up to a

Phoebe:

Oh yeah, it's the same in Sydney. They've got a

Anna:

Do they? Yeah, yeah. But they are really cool, but there's something about being on an athletics track that I find quite scary.

Phoebe:

Yeah, a hundred, oh, I just, you think you have to be like an elite

Anna:

Yeah, you feel like you need to be at a certain level.

Phoebe:

But to come back to that, point of like, you should build your way I kind of don't find, I find myself disagreeing with it because I think it assumes that you do the marathon because you want the fastest time possible. And obviously if you want the fast time, sure, work on your speed first, do some shorter stuff and then build up. But I think a lot of people do a marathon just to like get out of their comfort zone and

Anna:

and

Phoebe:

do it with your friends and do something, you know, Yeah, it'd be like, whoa, like, push yourself and train for it. So I think, like, in terms of Deciding what to do next. You need to come back to why, like, why, why are you running at the moment? Like how is running going to serve you at the moment? Are you really busy at work or, um, have lots on in your life and maybe something shorter is going to suit you, or are you really looking to push yourself, um, or do you just need some time off racing and focus on other elements of just like your running or your health in general. Um, and then use that to like. inform what challenge, what level of challenge you're going to set yourself. Yeah,

Anna:

I don't know about you, but I also find this time of year going into

Phoebe:

into summer is such a

Anna:

a nice time to just run for the fun of it. And I think that differs when you're going into winter. I like to have a goal because it almost keeps you, a race goal, sorry, because it keeps you a little bit accountable because it is a bit harder to get up in the morning. But I. I often think if I'm, if I've got a race on in six weeks, then I've got that extra drive to get out of bed. Whereas at this time of year, I just want to be jogging around

Phoebe:

I know.

Anna:

Daylight savings. Like it's so just way more social. Yeah. So what's next for you?

Phoebe:

What is next to me? I think that I'm going to have a bit of time off racing is my plan. I mean, that's really not shocking because I obviously found the build to Berlin very challenging. And I think that if it had been another race, like if it had been Melbourne Marathon or something, I probably would have just, you know, Stopped training for it. I probably been like, okay, you're sick. Or you're not, you're not balancing this well enough, like to another race. But I think because it was Berlin and we had the whole trip books around it, it was like, and it was such a dream marathon. I was like, okay, I'm just going to push through and do it. Whereas I think. Um, I'm actually for the first time, like really excited about having some time. I'll still have a program, I'll still be running, but focus on building up my strength and like thinking about my nutrition and just like having a bit more space in my life for those other things. So that's what I've been thinking. Um, I feel like the further I get away from Berlin, the further, the more I'm like, Hmm, maybe I do want to sign up for another race, but what I want to try and do is like, this side of Christmas, not book myself in for anything, or this year, wait till the new year and then decide what I want to do race wise. And for the rest of this year, just completely take the pressure off myself. still training and trying to improve, but not. With the outcome being a race. I think that's what I want to

Anna:

want

Phoebe:

And then I, I, I think next year I'm really keen to do some more five Ks. I feel like that was so fun. Yeah. And you can, you can just do them every few weeks, kind of like it doesn't, they don't, don't have the toll on you that marathon does. Um,

Anna:

And yeah,

Phoebe:

I'm sure in time I'll, I know that I want to come back and do another marathon, but I don't want to think about it just

Anna:

you? Um, I,

Phoebe:

How about you?

Anna:

I definitely do want to actually do a marathon. But I think before that, my little injury update. My foot is way better. But my hamstring is still Quite niggly and I can run and jog, but, I probably wouldn't want to push it more than I'm already doing now. So I'm purely just focused on getting pain free. And I think the next time I do sign up for a marathon, uh, it will be in a very different light in the sense that instead of going for a, fast time that I think I would be able to achieve. My goal will purely just to be, get to the

Phoebe:

to the start line.

Anna:

I just want to get one on the board and I want to experience it and have fun with it again, because I think one of the things I've really struggled with about not doing Berlin was it wasn't necessarily the marathon itself because that's what, three hours, but it's more the build up with friends and the actual experience with the friends, with

Phoebe:

like I

Anna:

feel like I missed out on, and I don't want to miss out on that again I'd rather just do it and have

Phoebe:

it.

Anna:

Yeah. Yes. yeah. As we discussed.

Phoebe:

It's all about

Anna:

yeah, exactly.

Phoebe:

race, it's going to be really hard. It's going to have some very high points and some very low points. It's, but if you can like do it with friends, then it's going to

Anna:

It's so, yeah, yeah

Phoebe:

So, let's talk a little bit about our partner for this episode.

Anna:

Yes. After last season, we both decided that we wanted to work on getting stronger.

Phoebe:

We did. And so we decided to trial Kik new strength for running program. So we're going to talk a little bit about what classes we did this week and how we found them. Anna, which class did you do? No surprises here,

Anna:

class did you do? That was nice. Very nice.

Phoebe:

Very nice. I did the lower and core build up this one was also 15 minutes and I did it pre run actually. So I think it was like a good activation. You needed a mini band, which I had and a kettlebell. So I feel like the next class I do, I'm going to do it at the gym. Um, yeah, I'm looking forward to it because I feel like. Often when I get to the gym, I don't really know what to do. Whereas this is very like, put your headphones in, do it 15, 20 minutes. And you're done.

Anna:

so the strength running program includes 16 masterclasses targeting all the areas you need to help you feel strong and smooth when you run and help keep those injuries at bay.

Phoebe:

You can use the code cheeky run, which we'll put in the show notes and that gets you a one month free trial.

Anna:

So, thanks to Kik for helping this episode. Come true.

Phoebe:

to finish up this episode, we are bringing back a craft favourite segment, which is the rundown. the rundown is where we join in the conversation on running current affairs. So this could be running in the news. It could be some element of running subculture we want to dissect, or we might respond to some of the hot takes our listeners send us. So Anna, what's our rundown topic for this week?

Anna:

Our rundown topic for this week is, one of my favorites, Alison Felix for those unacquainted. She is a champion sprinter for the U S she's retired, but won countless medals in the Olympics. Her main distance was the 400 meters. Anyway, in partnership with her brother and long term sports Uh, they are aiming to revolutionize the way that women athletes are represented And, have co founded a management firm dedicated to women's sports.. her Desire to create a management firm focused on women's sports was inspired by her personal experience as a multi dimensional athlete, coupled by the surge in the popularity that the women's sports industry is currently experiencing. They are hoping to address the transactional talent management models that were not necessarily developed to serve women athletes. I love this because anything female centered, I'm obviously obsessed with. And, Alison Felix is just I mean, she's a phenomenal athlete, but I feel like what she's doing post running, is even more amazing. And I think there is such a space not just for athletics, but all sports to be a little more multidimensional in the way that they handle female athletes. So yes, that is my little hot take.

Phoebe:

We love it!

Anna:

Love it. all right. I think that's it for.

Phoebe:

for Episode Oh god, we're not doing episode

Anna:

doing episode. Ah, That's it for

Phoebe:

this

Anna:

it for

Phoebe:

episode back of season four. Great to be back.

Anna:

Great to be back. As always, like and subscribe wherever you listen to your podcasts, it really helps us grow, um, and helps us keep cheeky alive.

Phoebe:

alive. That's right. We have big plans for this season and the merch is being designed right now and it looks very very cool

Anna:

hopefully it will be, ready for you all to start ordering in the next month, I'd

Phoebe:

i

Anna:

So keep your eyes peeled so thanks. Thanks.

Phoebe:

anna and we can't wait to be in your ears next week Yeah, I think we've nailed it.

Anna:

we've nailed it.

Phoebe:

I say, that would be episode number

Anna:

Forty one. Forty. Forty one. Forty. Forty one.

Phoebe:

41. 41