Cheeky Run Club

MAILBAAAG! + some running hot takes

• Phoebe Pincus & Anna Coldham • Season 4 • Episode 7

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HOWDY! Welcome to our first ever 'mailbag' episode. This was so FUN. 

We gave our thoughts on... 

  • will the running boom will last?
  • what if you're never the runner you were pre-injury? 
  • what are our favourite running cities? 
  • how much do we pay attention to our HR on easy runs? and
  • are we doing this podcast for fun or money? 😮 

We then respond to some 'running hot takes' including thoughts on running over the Christmas break and the seeming divide between runners who have recently found their way into the sport and runners who have been around the block, so to speak.

Finally, we get PUMPED for ON:TRACK:NIGHTS on the 14th of December (join us!!).

The legends at Pillar Performance have generously setup a discount code for the Cheeky community, use CHEEKY15 at checkout for 15% off your first purchase. Thanks to Pillar for making this episode of Cheeky possible!

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Music produced by Hugh Raper. Logo design by Michael Cotellessa. Podcast edited by Kiara Martin.

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to Cheeky

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Welcome to Cheeky Run Club, the social running podcast and community for your everyday amateur runner. Hello, Phoebe. Hello, Anna. And hello, listeners. This week, we are doing our first ever mailbag episode. We put out a call out for questions and the cheeky community answered. So I think we've got five to ten. We'll see how we go for time. Have a chat about, um, On Track Nights, which is coming up in Melbourne, which we are pumped for. And we'll wrap up with a new segment, which is running hot takes. So when we put out a co op for questions, we also put a co op for running hot takes. And I think we'll have to introduce this as a segment for the next, for the foreseeable future. I love reading these. There are so many good old takes. We have enough for us as a year. of them, I read and I was like, this is a cult take, Yeah, at best. And then others I read and I was like, yes! Yeah. Oh my gosh, I didn't even realise I thought this. Yeah. And then I read it. Also, I was like, that is genuinely a controversial. episode. Yeah. Yeah, we should always put something out and we can rate them. Is this a cold take, a warm take or a but to kick off, as always, we will talk about unknowable runs of the week. Tell me about your worst run this week. My worst run this week was on Tuesday morning. Normally we do a track Tuesday um Tuesday.

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Funny that. but this week, I slept through her alarm and Yeah, I had a few big few days and it was really tight. I turning it off and just thinking, I'll lie here for a second. And then all of a sudden it was half an hour later. but I still really wanted to come for coffee. I just ran a few local loops to try and go for a little run first. And you know, when you're purely just running Oh, Yeah, yeah, there wasn't a whole heap of enjoyment around it. And I kept looking at my watch as in the actual time of day, because I didn't want to be too late. And then at one stage I was like running up and down the residential street, parallels house. I was like, this is just not it. you're just trying to tick the box. It can feel so long, those runs. your watch and you're like, I think I have one more minute Isn't it crazy how some runs the kilometers just fly by and other runs you can think you've run about a kilometer and you look down and it's been like 90 meters. One of the running hot takes, which we won't talk about today was like, runs don't feel good till 3 kilometers in or And I feel like that's similar. like I've got the first few K's of a run, such a slog. Such a slog. I think, particularly as well, when you're running consistently and running a lot. Yeah. I almost don't warm up for 5Ks or something. Literally. Yeah, I totally agree. It's just very stiff. Um what was your worst run or running adjacent activity this week? Mine was a run. Uh, it was my Friday morning run. I've been doing sessions on Friday mornings, but We've had a really big week this week, Oh, We've just been slammed. We've had, like, merch things that we've been doing, Yeah. lots of stuff on our cheeky plates. I've also just had, an insane week at work, and then, like, had a Christmas party on Thursday night, and then my mom and my sister were coming to stay and I hadn't cleaned the house and I got home from Christmas party at like 11 house cleaned and That's really nice. did more work and it was just so good. Anyway, so I started not to do my session Friday morning Yeah, smart. And I just, yeah, yeah, well I was like. I'm not, this is gonna be pointless trying to move this session. Yeah. I am exhausted. My sleep has been terrible. What's the point? You're not going to get any benefits from it. No, but I still was really tired when I woke up. And so I was jogging with Sean, my partner, and then our friend Sarge. I love running with Saj, He's great quality, but Sean and Saj talked about finance for the entire run. Yeah, they're two big finance bros. Oh my god and I actually had to say we stopped halfway through and I was like can we please change the topic

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I am just shooting out and I need something to describe. Yeah, I need to be engaged. yeah yeah, so I had to like force the topic change but there was a point in the run where I was like I just dropped off and was running like 10 meters behind them. I was like I actually can't keep listening to them talking about like shipping or whatever I was like, I don't know what the topic was. they're so funny. Individually, they are both so good to chat to, Yeah. but they start talking to each other and all of a sudden I'm asleep. Exactly. and yet they're like so excited about things that I just genuinely think is so Boring! So I was like, let's try it, But yeah, good to not push through. Yeah, well, yeah. And when I said you wouldn't get anything out of it, I mean, going back to, the whole pyramid of recovery. if you're not getting the sleep, then obviously your muscles are not going to adapt. And so not going to get the benefit of it. I would have gotten more out of a job, just like mentally like it was so good to do because I still had a massive day of work and I wanted to feel energised for it. So it was almost like I was just doing it to support my day rather than running for any particular outcome. So yeah, that was quite good Yeah. Nice. Yeah. What about your best run of the week? My best run, recency bias once again, was this morning.

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It was a lovely run. It was really nice. So it's Saturday morning currently. It's very rainy in Melbourne and we had a lovely little run. It just logistically worked out perfectly. We ran with a girlfriend, Claude, and then met up halfway with some other girls. And boy, our Spanish correspondence partner has now landed in the country, Mickie J. So he joined, and then they dropped us off back home and continued on their way. I love running in the rain. How nice. It's so nice. I don't love it and then I do it and I'm like, oh, this is lovely. it's so, I think main barrier is it's not very nice going out in the rain. But if you go out when it's right and then it starts raining, that's ideal. It is. There is, there is something. So nice. it just has a different vibe. Yeah. Yeah. But I also feel like also we have a morning I feel like it was this week or maybe last week where it was like raining and we both kind of slept in and also sleeping. That's also nice, yeah. Everything is a bit nicer right now we're recording a podcast the rain it's really nice. It's really nice See you in the couch for the tea and the rain. oh my gosh the dream Ted even is cute in the rain goes all crimpy.

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your best run? My best run for the first time ever is a gym session. Wow! What? Yeah. So Tuesday night That is crazy! I, went to the gym with a friend jazz I haven't been to the gym with friends once. And that was actually with a group of girls, including yourself, I've written you off ages ago. And I just, I found it a bit when you got told off by the lovely yeah, I did our very first exercise. Someone came up to me and told me I was doing it wrong. And it was like mortifying, me a long time to recover. It's not great for the self confidence you have. like in front of all my friends as well. You're in a vulnerable space. and they have just completely looted you. I put myself out there by going to the gym and they just completely put me down and that was actually so embarrassing. Anyway I went with jazz and so I've obviously been going like semi consistently now for a couple months and I just have like a little bit more of my own routine than what I'm doing it was actually really fun like doing it with someone just made it fun. Like, talking all the time. It's so much nicer. decided a few exercises. It did take, like, triple the amount of time. Um, it was really nice to do it and enjoy it. It was humbling because jazz just destroyed me,

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humble in the gym which is,

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So, always humbled in the gym, which is It's good for me really, but it was, it was so nice to actually enjoy being at the gym. Yeah.

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hopefully first of a new,

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This is a new era of enjoying gym sessions. Imagine if you had told yourself a few months ago that one of your, best running excuses of the week would be a gym! session. I'd be very proud of that. Very good. all right, shall we get into it? Yes, let's do it. I'm so excited to talk through these questions. we've kind of just picked out ones that we each thought were interesting questions. We haven't really talked through what, um, answers are gonna be necessary. So I'm really interested to hear, I'm wondering,

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So, question number

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so question number one, do you think the running boom will last? Mm.

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Where do I begin? But this is an interesting one because I feel like even the framing running boom it insinuates that it's a boom that won't last and I do think that's what a lot of people think is that it's a bit of a phase, it's a bit of a fad Yeah. I mean, what do you think? I completely agree for whatever reason, whether it didn't used to be as accessible or there obviously weren't as many run clubs so people didn't do it because they didn't really want to go out by themselves. So they didn't have that social side to it. I just think that. as a lot of things in life things develop, and running has developed into something that all of a sudden people have realized they can get so much out of one being the physical exercise and fitness, but it's so much more than that. and everything else going, on, even like cost of living. I've been going to the gym, a little bit more, it's 70 a week to go to these intensity classes, which is crazy, but literally costs nothing to go for a run with your friends. I just think running is more popular now. Yeah. And maybe because of social media, people that did used to run, uh, a bit more open with it than maybe they used to be. I feel like I'm a lot more open to it on social media now than I used to. It almost used to be a little secret or something. Which is so bizarre. Yeah, but you're proud to go away for a race weekend. I think that, um, I feel like running is what in the start up world they would call very sticky activity. We talk a lot about running and its links with identity, and I think when you learn that you can run and you can be a runner, that's something that you know for the rest of your life. Yeah. You're like, oh, once you figure that out, you're like, this is something I can do Always do. and I can always come back to. And I do think that, It's, it's funny. It's actually something you and I talked about when the running, when running first started becoming really popular and actually something that fed into us wanting to do the podcast is this desire to help it be something that was sustainable, Yeah. because I think if there is a, there is a way to start running, which is not conducive to it being sustainable and you burn out or you get injured and you kind of lose motivation or you're doing it for the wrong reasons. But what I love about this, like boom or whatever you want to call it is, People doing it for a lot of the right reasons, Yeah, Like, obviously there's a perception of like, Oh, there's just some running influences. But actually I think most people do it because it makes them feel really good. They're making friends, they're loving, feeling strong. And like, why would you not do that? Yeah, yeah, I agree. with the people's running wise are very diverse now. Yeah. Even if the intention at the start was to go to a one club cause it was the it thing to do. Yeah. Or makes it hard. Yeah, exactly. And then they've accidentally fallen in love with it. But. It's also something that is just purely a relationship between you and the road. And it's so and pure in that sense. Everything else that goes on in your life isn't necessarily like that. So I feel like being able to just come back to running. It's almost like there's also been a change of that perception that people can or can't run, it has like fallen away Yeah. to a large extent, to an insane extent from a year ago. That was belief that was held by a lot of peoples that you were or you weren't a runner. And now everyone, either themselves or has friends or whatever, who have started running and realised that, You can just do it. Yeah. so like, well, I definitely think there will be a drop off at some point. Some people will fall off winter it's always quieter and so on and so forth. But I think I like to think that there's actually been a shift in our understanding of what running can be. I don't think that's a phase. I think that's like a change in how we understand. stuff. Yeah, it's like, yeah, change in habits, which we love. Do you think there's something, sorry we'll move on to the next thing soon, that people gain confidence in their friends maybe trying it and then,

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Obviously knowing their friends and thinking, Oh well if they can do it, I can do it. And then it's just that knock on effect constantly and it's like building people up and making them feel secure and have that self confidence to get it out there. I, that's kind of one of my takes on why, of snowballed and grown so much like everyone when we talk about why has this running boom happened? I think a lot of people link it back to COVID, but actually it was a big gap since COVID where like people weren't really running that much and I feel like what happened is just like enough people started it and stuck with it and slowly their friends did it and then their friends did it and then it became like this exponential thing where like, All of a sudden it felt like it got this critical mass and it became a thing on Instagram and so on.

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Maybe to end this question without answer is

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that Melbourne Marathon for 2025. The tickets went on tickets, the entries

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Yeah, genuinely. Melbourne Marathon sold out in 18 minutes, which is absolutely crazy. But I think that is case closed as to.

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the running

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running boom, it is the running

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Um Growth running Just growth and growth of running Yeah, it's almost just like our collective understanding of what running is and who it's has shifted, and things like that are hard to They don't just fluctuate

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and

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forget that everyone learned how to run. Okay, this question was submitted by our friend Leash, which

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friend of the show.

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of the show. In your opinions, What is the best city for running? What do you reckon? Melbourne.

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Melbourne. In Australia. In

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I just for instance, this

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Well, for instance, this morning's run, we about 13 kilometres, and I think we crossed maybe four roads, I'm trying to count, one, two, three.

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roads, We

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Five roads, five roads, We crossed five roads. And I think, particularly given that we live in a city, and we were running today, I think it's pretty amazing the connectedness of, connectedness? Is that even a word?

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Connectivity?

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Connectivity of all of the different bike paths and shared paths in Melbourne. Um,

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flat. Very flat, very

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flat, very,

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from the city as well, there are great running very, very close. And, but then also as well, if you want to venture 15 minutes from where we live, you can go out and you as if you're literally in the middle of the countryside Eaglemont

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the countryside.

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for anyone wondering. You just park at Eaglemont tennis club and you go for a little run from there. But in saying that I will have a little asterisk because I've actually only lived in. Brisbane as well. and that was over 10 years ago.

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Brisbane's not making the

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Brisbane's not making the cut. You know what I love the loop along the river. like at UQ running the parts, but I just think it's so much easier to go for a run Yeah, that's missing,

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to Mount Coot tha, but it's like hot and hilly. It? unlike the Gold Coast, where I also obviously lived for a lot of my life, it doesn't have a beach that you can afterwards. And I think if you're going to run somewhere that hot, it's really nice to have somewhere to

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cool. Um, so I

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Um, okay, so,

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about years

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well, so I lived in Sydney for about five years before I moved to Melbourne. And I have to say, I absolutely loved there. And I always claimed that it was the best running city in Australia. I love Centennial Park. So much it felt like a home felt like get on that. Yeah. I felt like I just get on that white fence Within a few minutes i'd run into someone. I know i'd be with Everyone is running around there. Which I really love and obviously you don't need to cross roads or anything while you're there You're just a park, which is beautiful. I also Running and being able to go for a swim afterwards. Yeah Elevates the running

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I yeah, I

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we just don't get that. And every now and then we'll go for a by the bay, but even then most people don't swim

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don't swim

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there is something about jumping in the water, which, I used to have this routine every Tuesday morning where I would do the run crew training session. And then Alicia and I would get in a car. We'd drive to Bronte beach, which for anyone who doesn't live in Sydney, Bronte It's a very special place. It is so beautiful and we jump in the water no matter the weather like no matter how cold it was mid winter and it was, there is no better way to start a day. There was better combo and so,

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is no better way to your day than a run and then a swim in the beach.

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and whilst I, I will say I have grown to Love Melbourne running. And I do think technically on a lot of criteria, it probably is a better running city. I really miss those

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miss those swims.

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like culture of like going to the beach post run and um, what about overseas? Do you have any good running cities overseas?

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Well, we did spend a bit of time in Spain. I didn't actually get to run there, but Girona looked so

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Girona. Yes. We

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to that a little bit more. But, I was overwhelmed with the size of the parks running in London. I think that was pretty much the only place I got to run overseas. But I just found it crazy how it's such a busy and hectic city, and then you get to a park and it's about a seven kilometer round trip around the park. was like, that is insane. is so nice. And they're very well maintained, which I don't know, kind of adds to

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nice. I, I like, I think we both experienced this a little bit that Europe, actually a lot of European cities aren't amazing for running. we take for granted that in Australia, almost every city you go to, there are parts that public, reasonably safe, like, we, us, what choice. Yeah. Um, alright,

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alright. Next

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I might ask

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to ask this one.

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Because initially when I read this question I was like, I had to double check that it wasn't Anna that submitted it. Hang on a second.

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think that you well placed

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account. Um, I think that you are well placed to answer this. This question like, pulled at my heart strings when I read it. It's, was crying.

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recovery

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It is, How do you keep recovery slash rehab spirits high? What if I'm never the runner I was pre injury?

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Oh, sorry.

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Um, yeah,

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It's hard to know what this listener is talking about when they say the runner I was pre injury. I'm assuming they mean performance wise. I often think that, I often am like, oh, I don't know if I'll, get back to where I was.

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I don't know if I'll, like, get back to where I was. Well, it doesn't

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I don't know. Really, it doesn't actually, being an amateur runner, it actually change my life at all. Maybe I would sound a little less impressive if I was trying to boast to someone, I try not to do.

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try to do.

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Um, but it genuinely doesn't impact your life. Like, I think my husband Dave, he is the first to say, you know, sometimes you get so caught up in times, but your life or anyone else's life is not going to change you run a minute slower or a minute faster. And I think that is a really big thing to think about. Um, but also as well, maybe you're not getting the same times, or you might be worried about the times that you are going to be running, but. You've done a lot of character building over injury. And it also makes you realize why you love running. I'm the first person to say, I love the performance side of like progressing and getting better. But then when you can't do that, obviously that is a part that I missed, but All I wanted to do was to be able to just get the feeling and the endorphins of going for a jog and going with friends and feeling like you're a part of something moving your body. It's not about doing the fast times. And I think maybe diversifying or trying to diversify your reasons as to why you run, if you are solely focused on performance, will make it easier. The other thing that I would say is I know a lot of people do this if they have major life events, they have a before.

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the major event, like daily times or whatever. But then I think,

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before like the

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Before the injury, yeah exactly. Um, but then Your first 5K post injury, that is your new benchmark. That's your new PB. And then the next time, then you just try and break that one. So it's more about focusing on the present and what you are able to do. And be excited about that rather than focusing on what you maybe once could

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like be excited about that rather than focusing on you maybe want to put to work.

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um, that

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Um, that feeling of, I feel like I've got more in

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I how

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you know, there's, I don't know how many marathons I'll run in my life. I feel like my current PB, I'm really proud of it, but I feel like I can do a better time,

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better

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but I need to accept that that might not happen and that's okay. And I sometimes feel like as women, like we ha, we, we don't openly talk about our performance goals and

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and like, Like,

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I don't want to

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any, any ever, like. I feel like there can be a bit of shame around caring about your performance that sort of thing, particularly if you're not like just deep in running circles. But it is, it is an amazing thing that having a really hard goal that you're setting yourself and pushing I think there is something so rewarding about that process. So I fully understand the question and the sentiment and where from, but it's almost like a flag. Okay, if we're worried about that, then as exactly as you say, it's okay. It's actually a reality that might happen and we need to accept and life will, you know, accept that life on and that there are other reasons that should be motivating you

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yeah. I will say, to the first part of the

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part of

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rehab spirits high, um, try to make things as easy for yourself as possible. I've just recently joined a gym that's in between my home and my work

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gym

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because convenience is

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work. Yeah. Because convenience

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when it comes to actually getting the rehab done. I often save my favorite

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when you're actually doing the rehab. So then it's less about actually doing the rehab and more about listening to the episode or being engaged in something else, which I love. The other thing is just. trying to be very gentle and kind to yourself and treating yourself after. Whatever you're sort of into, for me, I love food. I'll, I don't know, have a bit more ice cream that or that kind of thing. And it's not as, yeah, I don't even

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a bit more ice

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I know it's not as, I'm like, that anyway. I'm like, allowed do it unless I do rehab. But You feel a bit more like, Oh yes, I'm doing Or if you've seen something on Black Friday sales, it's like, maybe if you go to the gym three times this week, the end, give yourself a little

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So it's like, yeah, make it a habit, friction to doing it. And set some rewards to try and condition yourself to associate, have some positive association with

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Onto the next. Do you heavily focus on heart rate on

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Yeah, I wanted to do this one because my answer has changed. I would say for my entire life, most of my life, my answer's been no. Like when I first learnt about like low heart rate running, I would pay a bit of attention. But really I just was running slower. And then for years, like we just run with friends. So our easy runs are just at whatever pace that is, which is still the case. However, two recent experiences have changed this. One is my experience in the lead up to Berlin when heart rate was so high in my runs and it forced me to pay attention to it. And the other one is the episode we did

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did recently. Yeah,

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actually how reliable daughter is, which I'd really trusted. And so those two things combined, I now look at my watch at my heart rate in easy runs, I never used to do. wouldn't check it. Whereas I'll just have a little look maybe during, but mostly afterwards. And for me, it's a cue for, let's say I'm doing the same pace I always do, but I noticed my heart rates up 10 beats a minute. I'm like, okay, I'm not that recovered right

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minute. I'm like, okay, I'm

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ask that question of like, okay, what's happening. And also to say, all right, that was probably a bit more effort. Let's focus a bit more on recovery because that wasn't really an easy run was actually Kind of

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wasn't really an easy one. It was actually like, kind of an effort. a guide, it's one of many, pieces that, make up the puzzle kind of So it's like, listen to it, but also, take into account a lot of, of the other stuff as well.

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I would rarely change my pace because of

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it. Yeah. Well, I well, when you run with friends, so you never really, like, to

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which is the tricky thing about running with friends. Like there is, there would be mornings every morning I reckon where someone is finding it too hard and someone's finding it easy. Like perfect, but it

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it's fun.

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it's so fun.

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fun. All right. So the next question we actually weren't sure if we were going to, but I put myself in the listener's perspective and I know that I would be interested to know the answer.

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be interested to know the

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No, exactly. Yeah, so, the question is is the podcast a financial venture for you two or is it more of a hobby with some bonus dollars?

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We're making bank.

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We are I don't know if you know, but I've two yeah. no, First and foremost I would say this is. Yes. Yeah, and we wanted, we wanted to talk about running. We wanted to talk about running that see

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to talk about running the, we want to talk about running the way that we see running and, and it was purely an outlet for us to

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express ourselves, and

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exactly. is still that, like, it is still an excuse for us to Really just, get time to, unpack this amazing thing and how it's impacting our lives people's lives.

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I don't think I will ever not appreciate and really enjoy getting sent a free pair of shoes. Like, it is, and any, yeah, and anyone that runs, which is probably all of you can, you would be able to empathize with that. Um, we are super grateful to, have partnerships with brands, but I guess a freedom of both still working means that we can be very selective with who we So we never actually, partner with someone unless we feel like we're aligned with the brand and we genuinely believe in what they do. So I think that actually gives us a lot more, Autonomy, in a sense, to like, the way that we want to navigate. Yeah, I

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it's funny, when we now go into meetings with potential people to partner with, I see it just as much as like them pitching to

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pitching us. Yeah, definitely.

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to like why they want this, what they want to get out

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want to

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we're just not ready. Do it don't

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it Yeah,

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only when we're like this is cool really get around this or we really love the product ourselves or like in what the mission like then um More support, but yeah well like it's kind of an interesting question and like not something that we ever want to be Like oh, it's good to have transparency around it in a sense because it's like

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Now

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that any brand we partner with like it's a there's a genuine

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any brand is part of it. I her stuff every single day. We are constantly

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I reckon we do stuff every single We are constantly talking about it, thinking about it.

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And I think if you, worked it out, our hourly rate would be below what you were earning when you were 13

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really Yeah. But

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But that's okay, that doesn't matter. We don't, yeah, like we don't actually care because we love it not why we're doing

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We do.

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So yes, thank you to whoever asked that question. um, About it first and then? For the first time, it's not the magnesium.

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it's, for the first time, it's not the magnesium

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say a few words.

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it. Yeah, Anna's hamstring, exactly, would like to say a few words. Because Pillar have recently released a new product called Collagen Repair. Anna, do you want to tell us a little bit about this product and how you've been

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to tell us a little bit about this and you've been using it? Well, you

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For anyone who doesn't know, Anna's been having of issues her hamstring tendon. And so when, how have you been like taking it and

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Emma's been how have you been like, taking it? Helps to repair, those tendons. So they go back to a healthy state. I have been using the powder. It's unflavored, which is actually really good because you can literally throw it in anything.

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Yeah, I've had

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yeah, or like smoothies. They've done clinical trials on it and it has found that, it does support fast return from injury, which we love. There's also added vitamin C to support the collagen synthesis.

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C to support

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So highly recommend getting on the pill of performance collagen repair. It's also

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also free

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free from gluten, dairy, nuts, soy, and egg, They have been very kind and given us a discount code. So use Cheeky15 at checkout for your first order for 15 percent off. So, as we said at the start, there are a lot of Thank you again, Pillar Performance, for making this episode Cheeky possible, and definitely try their collagen repair if you haven't already.

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Okay, we're gonna do some hot takes. So, as we said at the start, there are a lot of very funny hot takes. So, I reckon we're gonna have to make this a, I keep, I think we keep coming up with ideas for segments and doing them and then, um, forgetting about them. Just we have too much, too many different segment this one, there are genuinely so many that we could do. We just have to pick our top two, and we're gonna basically say the hot take and then we're gonna respond

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respond I don't

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don't know what your opinions are

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on this. No,

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so

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know

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yes,

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Hot take number one. You're not a pro, you don't have to run every day on holiday and you can miss sessions if you feel like it.

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feel like it. Love this

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this one because I actually brought up to you earlier today that particularly this time of year like super busy time of year and

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things

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have to give and you have to, sacrifice some things for other things.

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often, which once again,

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You move so much around, but never even consider being able to move your running around. And I think a really great healthy relationship with running as an amateur means that you can take it seriously and really be dedicated and get into it, but you can also take a step back and see that it is part your life and not life and missing a session because you've had no slate that week is actually going beneficial to you rather than

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no slate that actually more beneficial you

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Yeah.

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something like No Days Off, and it was like a group of people who set a running goal for that period of running a certain amount of kilometers, which was like a big amount of kilometers, and it was like, you know,

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to keep

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from the perspective of like trying to keep people motivated over a tough I don't think it came from a bad place, but I think for most people it's the opposite. And they need to give themselves permission to take

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give themselves permission to

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than need

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really enjoy holidays. Yeah,

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yeah, and yeah, I mean, I just love the like, coming out of the gates with you're not a pro.

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the

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I just think we should look,

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something that everyone

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say that to

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a pro. You're not a

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not a pro You're not a pro. And whilst like I think you can take your running as serious as you want and like we love taking our

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our running

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shame in that and and still prioritize rest and especially over holiday

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rest of it will always be there for you as well. Um, all right, hot take number two.

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actually is such an interesting one because I feel like, sorry, you just

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say it

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say it first, then I'll say why it's

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say why reckon a significant portion of our hot takes will either begin

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sport and having fun. It's not it. People who Already ran, are too offended by the things new runners are doing. Or it was runners who were more experienced saying, new runners, run too fast and they're too

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Yeah,

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much. And so I think this is quite an interesting,

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See, I would say that we are experienced runners. And I have a gripe with other people who have been running for ages, that they almost think they have this entitlement and ownership over running itself. Um, which is absolutely ridiculous. and we all want running as a whole to succeed. Well, we should. Yeah. And progress. And in order for that to happen, you need beginners coming in and it makes me so sad thinking that sometimes people might not experience as a, as a welcoming environment.

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So, Like,

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That is so awful. just because you've been running for 10 years, Yeah. Why do you have like any more right to be running on a field than the person next to you who

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you judge the way someone else is

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I, I completely agree. This, it grinds my gears so much when I hear people talking about this. Talking about run clubs, talking about these fads in a judgmental way because it's not the way they've done And it's not the way that they think that things should be done, I guess. reckon There's like a cynicism to it, which I really dislike. i think it's like people who have their rigid concept of what the right way to do something is and they believe that they are the owners and the arbiters what that right way is and they then assign moral judgments to people who are then doing it in a

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are then doing it

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People like offended that other people are deciding to run different clothes or with or to meet people and date or whatever reason and I'm like, that is not it. is not

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No if you are being judgemental, maybe you need to check yourself a little bit. Because even try to strip it back and write it down. What actually is it that's annoying you? Because. It doesn't affect you what

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Yeah. And it sabotages the whole, movement in a way it makes people feel then like ashamed to run or whatever that is like, or it creates a divide within runners. Whereas like we should, if you are privileged enough to have grown up running and loving running, you should see it as your job to spread

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Yeah, exactly. To

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more people the opportunity that as well. And I think that that cynicism is. I think we've talked about it on the pop

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for it. I think we've spoken about it on the pod before, but you know how we love the different run clubs, but we kind of feel as if running as a whole is the club

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whole is the best thing.

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everyone is very welcome there, whether you are yet to go for your first run, or you have been running for 35 or something or if you're the slowest person. In the world, fastest person. We're all in the same boat. We're

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that's a

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Which is amazing! so

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shouldn't be something that we're Yeah, I don't know, what is it that you think makes people, people who have been running a long time, what is it that you think makes them, like, offended by

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like,

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new runners and new

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their ownership and they feel a bit protective over it and they think this is my thing. I don't want you in it. And it's probably not helped by the fact that the marathons are selling out really quickly because I genuinely think that they feel as if they have more

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to be

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the races than the

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that's so

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which is kind of crazy.

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you make a good point about their relationship with running almost. Because I feel like there's a real like, um, pu, pure school of thought which is like, running is. running in your old shoes your old shirt and, and no music and whatever. And I totally

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run

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But I think it's almost, it doesn't, just because someone else likes to run with music and with whatever, spends money on products or whatever, it doesn't mean that they don't actually love running as

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As well. Yeah,

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They're just finding a different way to engage with

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Yeah. And okay. Exactly. So our last little feature of today's episode we're going to speak a little bit about on track nights,

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of today's episode going to speak a bit about Bon Voyage Night. athletics meet I've been to adult, I would say. not just like

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not like our

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just cause I, I think I always would have thought like, not for me, like, you know, love running, but not

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not yeah, yeah. But um who was

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But, um, who was playing last year?

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Peking

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Duck.

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duck. It like a Saturday afternoon.

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Peking Duck was playing and, um, and I had friends going and it was like a Saturday afternoon. I was like, yeah, cool, why not, like, hang out with them. And it was So much fun. It was like, there was a tattoo artist, he keeps people getting free tattoos,

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That's

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wild. They're doing that again this year. They're also doing, there's hairstyles Yeah, which is so like someone to do your hair. There's, there was live music, the atmosphere was amazing. We sat around having drinks, watching the sunset, watching people

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was

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It such like a celebration of running. And so I think if you're sitting there thinking,

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not

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meet not for me. I'd say think again. This is such a worthwhile

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worthwhile event. And it's almost

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Cosmos

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exciting I'm

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Another very excitingly I'm actually related to running

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she is

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Um, my cousin, Claudia Mika, is, she is an incredible runner, and she is running in the, under 23K,

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show's best

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is basically, like, Australia's best young middle distance runners. and she's, she's only like 16, so she has, like, been put up into this race. She is a gun, and I'm so excited to watch her race.

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Maybe we should make a little Claudia fan club.

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Oh my gosh, we should do some, we should make some

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the signs, that would be so

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So everyone's got to come get around Claudia. Uh, but also I don't want to put extra pressure on her.

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Yeah, it's fine, we don't mind how you

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no, I couldn't. Yeah, I'm so proud regardless.

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It's so cool. Before the DJ set in the final races of the night at the Australian 10K championships. With a few Olympic finalists. are gonna race. which will be insane. It's not really, I mean it's literally never, I feel like this is the only time of year that you get all of, Australia is running royalty on the same track on the one night.'cause a lot of a lot of the time they're often doing different things in different countries. but I think because it's the time of year. And because it is such a big event, everyone really tries to be in Melbourne for

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it. races, like,

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Historically, uh, always really good. I remember when I first watched it, this was years ago. I went and was watching a friend and thinking, Oh my gosh, 10 cases. Like that's a of

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a little

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Yeah. But honestly goes so quickly. It's fun

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also sitting there chatting with your friends they run past you cheer, sun's setting, I think next week we're gonna do a bit more of a race preview, who's racing, we're gonna make some predictions, but for now, have a think about it. Chat with your friends. Maybe get a bit of a crew. Anna and I will be there. We'll sit somewhere. I don't know where yet, but we'll sit somewhere. Then we'll put on our stories. There we are. So, anyone from the Cheeky community, come along. Come and sit with us. and we'll just have a great night celebrating running.

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I think that is it for today's episode.

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it

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We are done. So have a great week.

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Oh, thank you to everyone who bought merch.

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Yes. Thank you so

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so bloody exciting.

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Follow like subscribe as per you've already heard But we'll put our Instagram, and Strava group in the show notes. We've got

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group. We've got a new segment going. Session of the week,

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which we love.

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which we love. been a lot of I can, you might need a feature next week. You can just

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can just Yeah, I'll one of my favourite old because I'm not the runner I used to be. that's

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And that's

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that's okay. That is okay. Twitching.

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is okay.

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Um, alright, bye! Bye!

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Yeah, Yes.

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think it. Yes. Yes. Yes.