Cheeky Run Club

2024 Reflections & 2025 Goals

• Phoebe Pincus and Anna Coldham • Season 5 • Episode 1

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We’re baaaaack - we hope you had a lovely holiday cheeky friends!

To kick off the new year and season five of Cheeky, we revisit the goals we made at the start of 2024 and reflect on how well we stuck to them. Then, we share our goals and our (potentially controversial??) ins and outs for 2025.

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Music produced by Hugh Raper. Logo design by Michael Cotellessa. Podcast edited by Kiara Martin.

Phoebe:

Cheeky Run Club recognises that every day, we live, work and run on Aboriginal land.

Anna:

Welcome to season five of Cheeky Run Club, the social running podcast and community for your everyday amateur runner. Hello, Phoebe.

Phoebe:

Hello Phoebe! Hello

Anna:

And hello, listeners.

Phoebe:

Today we are going to be reflecting on our wins and losses slash learnings from 2024, and we'll be setting some goals and intentions for 2025, and then we'll finish with our running ins and outs for the year ahead. But first, as always, we will kick it off with our notable runs of the week slash really last few weeks because we haven't recorded in

Anna:

A month?

Phoebe:

Yeah, almost a month now.

Anna:

we actually have a new setup.

Phoebe:

setup. We have a new

Anna:

Maybe we should talk about

Phoebe:

If you guys could see us recording right now, you would be

Anna:

I'm gonna take a

Phoebe:

Confused.

Anna:

it on our Instagram. There is, there's a lot going on right now. A

Phoebe:

going on. We decided that this is the year we'd get a bit more professional. And so we're not recording from my couch. We're recording from My study.

Anna:

professional.

Phoebe:

Yeah, therefore professional.

Anna:

I think it's definitely an improvement, but still, you know, always. You should always strive for the, what is it? Reach for the stars, you'll land on the moon. Yeah,

Phoebe:

right now we're probably haven't quite taken off yet.

Anna:

The

Phoebe:

Well we've got, how many books are involved in this set up? Eight?

Anna:

Yeah.

Phoebe:

books, various cameras. A smoke machine

Anna:

A

Phoebe:

A smoke machine box. Anyway, let's kick it off with our notable runs of the week. Tell me about your worst run of the last couple weeks.

Anna:

Oh, that is actually an easy one. It's recently happened, uh, on Tuesday night this week. So I've been back at work for two weeks now. I actually thought it would be nice to run home. It's like a quite a short run. but a nice way to kind of like break up the workday before you're getting home and. I think I've said it in the past, running in the afternoon for me. is a struggle. it was hot for one. I probably hadn't had enough water during the day and I actually had to stop. I got into it eventually, but after like 800 meters, I was like, I actually just need to walk. I feel like a little bit dizzy

Phoebe:

I was like, this is

Anna:

not it. And it just was not, I never started to enjoy it. Like the only time I enjoyed it was. when I got to the supermarket at the other end and bought a Gatorade.

Phoebe:

You're like, this is

Anna:

Yeah, I'm glad I did that.

Phoebe:

I feel like that's the hard part about afternoon runs, is you don't have your routine before them, like you might before a morning run, so your body doesn't expect it almost. It's like, what are you

Anna:

think as well, cause I stand up. Like quite a lot at work, I have a standing desk and I often stand for my hammy, but then I think maybe just like standing all day.

Phoebe:

your legs are actually

Anna:

Yeah. Yeah. anyway, so the positive was that it ended and

Phoebe:

and you got a Gatorade and

Anna:

got a Gatorade and it also was sunny. So,

Phoebe:

yeah. That's nice. I

Anna:

also have a, speaking of Gatorade, um, you posted an Instagram over, well, what will be last weekend, about the rankings of Gatorade. Yeah.

Phoebe:

turned out to be a very controversial

Anna:

Yeah. Yeah. I, I am on board with the listeners. You didn't include Goldrush, which is actually my favorite. and I thought the rogue choice of

Phoebe:

Blackcurrant.

Anna:

No, what was your favourite? Lemon lime.

Phoebe:

Lemon lime? That's not rogue. That was, that was, um, lots of people said that was also their favourite.

Anna:

I just, I associate the lemon lime Gatorade with, you know, the huge, corrup I don't know, they're almost like What are they called? There's like huge tubs of Gatorade that you get like after a race. Or like at a

Phoebe:

yeah,

Anna:

day or something. And they use the powdered. I always just associate the lemon lime

Phoebe:

too. Not gonna lie, I googled Gatorade flavours when I was making this story, and I saw Gold Rush and I was like, no one drinks Gold

Anna:

think it's Gold Rush. I

Phoebe:

was like, that's not a real flavour. Yeah, so I've since tried it. Apparently the flavour is actually mango.

Anna:

Yeah, I can get, cause I've never understood what the flango, flavour

Phoebe:

I don't know why they'd call it Gold Rush, but um, it's good. Yeah, I back that

Anna:

anyway, so yes, they were the positives of the run. But overall, worst

Phoebe:

Toughie.

Anna:

Um, what about you?

Phoebe:

My worst run was during the holidays. Uh, listeners with good memories might recall I was struggling. I was a bit sick. I had a chest infection leading into Christmas and that kind of like, that hung around for like four or five weeks. kept, I was like trying to take it easier, but I hadn't like fully stopped. I'd had a few days off here and there. And I kept like telling myself I felt better. And then I'd like. Go to bed and cough all night or like try and run and cough the whole run Anyway, one of the mornings Sean and I were driving down We're staying on the Gold Coast with my family and we're driving down to Byron to go for a run and Byron and then catch up with some of his friends who were staying there and We were driving down for the run and I was like so excited and then Sean kind of like I forget what he said, but it was something like quite cutting about how I like wasn't listening to my body and I was still sick and I was like, I was just in denial about the fact that I was still sick and in the moment in the car I was like, no, like I'm fine, whatever, like, of course I listened to my body, like, I'm so good listening to my body.

Anna:

with myself.

Phoebe:

Anyway, and then I just like, yeah. The rest of the car ride, I was like, I have this head noise about like, Oh my God, am I just doing this thing where I, yeah. And then I got there and got out of the car and we went to start running and I just like had a little cry and I was like, Oh, I actually don't think I can run. Like, I think my chest is still really bad. And he was like, okay, well, I said like, let's just do half an hour or something instead. And he's like, no, let's just run like to Watergoes, which is like two Ks and then walk back. And so it was fine, but it was. It was like, by this stage I'd been sick for like four weeks and I just so convinced myself I was better and then I had to like have this acceptance of you're not there yet, you've got to have a couple more days. And, and also the acceptance of you're not as good at listening to your body as you think you are.

Anna:

is also something when your other half. tells you something that you don't want to be true, but it is fundamentally true. And when you come to that realization, you're like, God damn, this

Phoebe:

is evil. Yeah. Because now I have to be wrong as well. It's

Anna:

for once in my life.

Phoebe:

Yeah. So yes, that was my worst. But tell me about your best.

Anna:

My best was down at the beach. So I spent a bit of time over Christmas down at Mount Martha, which is a beautiful part of Melbourne on the Mornington Peninsula. We would meet, there's a, it's really cool. There's this van, if anyone's ever around like Mount Martha safety beach, it's really worth going. There's this van called cafe de soul that parks itself in one of the car parks, like just along the beach. And they've got coffee, smoothies, like for carters, the people in there, like also really nice. And it kind of, it's just become this Haven, for people that are running or walking their dogs or just have little kids and are going down to the beach like super early it's so busy but just the vibes

Phoebe:

good. That's so nice, because it's kind of just, like, in a car park, right? Yeah, exactly. But by the

Anna:

a yeah yeah but they anyway so we i met there with a couple of friends this happened a couple times and we would go for a little run come back Get a coffee, Ted would quite often come and Dave, I should mention, he has started running

Phoebe:

Wow. The knee is

Anna:

year, new him.

Phoebe:

Yeah.

Anna:

Um, and then we'd go for a dip after, and it was just, Oh, it was just so wholesome. Like I even think back to it now. I'm like, gosh, those moments are just so nice. They're so refreshing. Like you've had your run, you have a coffee in your hand,

Phoebe:

on holidays,

Anna:

You don't really. You're not really rushing for anything.

Phoebe:

the no

Anna:

I know.

Phoebe:

like, you end up sitting there for an hour or two,

Anna:

It's so nice and it's like that perfect temperature. It's not super.

Phoebe:

Hot,

Anna:

But it's still so, it's so refreshing when you actually go for a swim. and Ted a bit like this podcast is about Ted, but I

Phoebe:

Wait, isn't it?

Anna:

when we, he had his seven month birthday yesterday. Um, that is true. But anyway, but we would, yeah, by like when we first started, he was like quite unsure of the water. And would kind of get a bit upset, like, when you went in. And then by the end, you'd walk in, and then, you know, like, dive under. And then pop your head up, and then all of a sudden he's just like, there,

Phoebe:

no way! So he was getting in around

Anna:

it was just so, I don't know, I just loved that. So, yes. What's your best run or running adjacent activity?

Phoebe:

Yeah, well, despite the illness, I've had some great runs, especially since, cause I'm fully recovered now. I feel great. So I've had some great runs. Yeah.

Anna:

give

Phoebe:

so I'll give an honorable mention to the long run I just did on the weekend just passed, which was, it was a Saturday morning, like the most beautiful, warm summer's day in Melbourne. Sunny, not a cloud in the sky, no wind.

Anna:

And

Phoebe:

I ran with 8 Miles, who are a running club, um, here in Melbourne, and we started

Anna:

in London.

Phoebe:

and in London, that's true, that's very true, and we started and finished at Fitzroy Pool, because it was so hot, and yeah, so it was really so, and it was the longest run I've done in ages and I was a bit nervous for it beforehand. I was like, okay, I'll try and do two hours, but I'll just have to see how I go, especially because it's going to be hot. But I, I overfueled. I had a big breakfast beforehand. I had two gels during heaps of water and it felt fine. And it was just like such a beautiful day. It was really, really nice. We did like a trail loop through Yarrabend

Anna:

Cool!

Phoebe:

basically. Yeah, which was really nice. Actually, it was beautiful. But my best run of the whole holidays was, yeah, drum roll was when I was staying in Byron's house sitting for my auntie and one morning, and she's got all these weights there, but, um, we decided to do like a, um, little Hurt Locker esque

Anna:

Yeah

Phoebe:

So the first one is with Sean, my partner, and then my brother, Joe, and Joe set up like the stations and the different activities or whatever. And so we did maybe like 20 minutes or 25 minutes worth of like rotating through these like really hard, they're not like heavyweight so

Anna:

you know,

Phoebe:

for we do like

Anna:

40 seconds on and 20

Phoebe:

20 seconds off or

Anna:

or

Phoebe:

and then after we'd finished that it was already so hot and sunny but we did the lighthouse run

Anna:

And

Phoebe:

and we were just like you know when you start a run and you're already really warmed up and hot and like we were just

Anna:

I

Phoebe:

it was really fun it was really fun and it was just the lighthouse run you can't really do fast because it's just stairs it's so And

Anna:

Yeah, I feel like it's, that's even a hard walk. Yeah, yeah,

Phoebe:

yeah. So we weren't really like trying to go fast or anything, but we were sort of like pushing it a little bit and then right at the end, I just can't help it, like, but try and race Joe whenever I'm running with him. But, we maybe had like 500 and we both start just like

Anna:

Looking at each other.

Phoebe:

And Sean's just like, screw this. Like I am not joining in on this. And then. we just started going like faster and faster and faster until I was literally sprinting like absolute top speed. And he was going like, I can't, he's got a bad ankle. And he's like, I literally can't run any faster. Like this is

Anna:

perfect.

Phoebe:

of speed in my head. I'm like me too, but I was like pretty trying to pretend it was easy anyway, beat him. So,

Anna:

we love.

Phoebe:

Yeah. Which we love. and then Great Swim afterwards,

Anna:

Yeah. Oh, that sounds so good. Oh, I love summer holidays.

Phoebe:

summer. So wholesome. I know. And now we're back. And now

Anna:

back, which is also great.

Phoebe:

Which is also great.

Anna:

Shall we get into our goals and reflections for 2024, were, what was our 2024 running word of the year? And what were our goals for 2024?

Phoebe:

Well, it's funny when you say our, cause we actually did pretty much end up having the

Anna:

up

Phoebe:

So our, our first ever cheeky episode that we recorded. It was on running resolutions. I went back and re listened. It's actually

Anna:

great app.

Phoebe:

It's a great app, but you sound so nervous at the start. Bless our cotton socks. but yeah, I was like, this is good content.

Anna:

it's great

Phoebe:

really interesting. Well, one of the first things that we spoke about when we were setting goals is that I didn't identify as someone who did strength work or went to the gym. I didn't identify as a gym girly. And I wanted to kind of change that mindset in

Anna:

2024.

Phoebe:

I would say it took the whole 12 months, but I think I'm finally getting comfortable with it. I like just started, I've finally figured out a way that I will enjoy going to the gym. And I think what it came down to in the end was Because I didn't understand it and didn't know anything about it, I found it boring because I didn't, there was nothing to it. It was just like, you just go and, whereas now I'm trying to,

Anna:

to

Phoebe:

yeah, over the last like couple months in particular, since I've been trying to go semi regularly, I've just been doing all my own research on like, What muscle groups are important for when you run? How do you work them out like trying to learn about it trying to learn about like different and the more I read about it The more I'm like, oh, of course, this is interesting just like anything else that you read about and so

Anna:

The more you know, the more interesting it

Phoebe:

Yeah, and now I like have a little program that I've written myself and I've like trying to like monitor what weights I'm doing each week and like I haven't been doing this program for very long, but hopefully I'll start to like progress

Anna:

to progress.

Phoebe:

But yeah, I feel like the key for me was actually just like learning about it myself a

Anna:

about myself. I think

Phoebe:

I think I'm getting better with that.

Anna:

I remember last year you sort of saying you didn't really have the confidence and you didn't really know what to do in the gym, but like even

Phoebe:

Yeah. I still get so self conscious in the gym.

Anna:

in the

Phoebe:

Yeah. Yeah. Like I had this idea when I was reading, uh, I was about like, maybe I should learn how to do a chin up or like get strong enough to do a chin up cause like, what a cool thing. Right. And when I was reading about how to progress to it, the first thing you have to do is like just practice hanging from a bar. And so in my head I was like, I'll practice hanging from a bar. And then I got to the gym and I was like, no way.

Anna:

from a bar. is

Phoebe:

There is no way I'm gonna hang from a bar right now,

Anna:

No, I've done that before. You kind of feel like a bit of an idiot. You're literally just hanging there, and also you don't really know what to do, where to look.

Phoebe:

Yes, so I didn't do that. But, do you remember what you spoke about as your like limiting belief that you

Anna:

picked me up? I actually don't.

Phoebe:

I've got it written down here. You said that you, it was to do with like, you didn't feel like you identified as like a serious runner, or you were bad at saying no to things to justify like protecting your time and like being okay with going home early or not having a big night or.

Anna:

I actually think I got a lot better at that. I, yeah, I kind of like prioritised, well, when I wanted to, like I prioritised running and said, I can go home now. Like, I don't need to stay around and have a few more drinks for no real reason. Or if I did want to do that, I also did

Phoebe:

Yeah, yeah, of course,

Anna:

I remember my running word of the year was

Phoebe:

now.

Anna:

pain free, but then changed it to painless when I realized it was two words. unfortunately, that actually did well for six months. So I would say that that's a pass.

Phoebe:

Yeah, me too.

Anna:

Technically,

Phoebe:

when did, yeah it was basically

Anna:

was, well it got a little bit niggly in June. But

Phoebe:

but then by December.

Anna:

But by December, then it was getting a little bit better again. Um, and it was only really bad from August. August. I would say, I passed. Just.

Phoebe:

pain for four to five months this

Anna:

Yeah. I remember getting to the start line of Berlin was a goal, which unfortunately didn't happen, but that is okay. Yeah but I do reckon like the first half of the year, I think was the, my most enjoyable six months of running my life. I loved every single day. I just was. all about running. It was just so fun and I feel like I've never had as much enjoyment from it as I did then and that was really special. You know, like everyone, we all sort of have like ups and downs in our running journeys. But when you do love it, I just, there is no better feeling. Like it is so good. I actually like overall, Obviously some things like didn't quite go my way, but like I just loved running last year. Yeah, it was just so

Phoebe:

did. And I would say your first six months as well, like. You were just running so well. Like, you were running really strongly, really consistently. You were, like, running within yourself, and, like, improving, and, like, it was actually great to see

Anna:

Similar to what you were just saying, like got in a good habit of going to the gym and kind of like reframing the gym instead of being something that was boring, I viewed it as like the key to being able to continue running consistently.

Phoebe:

permission

Anna:

Yeah, which actually made it. A lot easier to like get your foot in the door because I feel like I always found with the gym once I was there, it was fine, but I have always found the barrier being like actually getting there, whereas I was like, no, I need to go use the key.

Phoebe:

yeah.

Anna:

Um, so that was really good. Do you remember what your word of the year

Phoebe:

My word of the year was painless, pain free as well. which I actually think I did well at like, I had one niggle around Gold Coast half marathon, which is why I didn't race that, which was my Achilles. But it was literally only a couple of weeks got better and it was fine. My like much bigger barrier was definitely sickness this year. Like I look back. At my year and I had months, a hundred percent, I would have been six, four, four to five months, which is just, that's just not on.

Anna:

Yeah. It's not it.

Phoebe:

And I'm still like reflecting on why that was like, and maybe when we talk a little bit about like lessons, we can go through it, but that was easily the biggest barrier to my running and just to enjoying my running this year was. miss my health and even with the goal, like you said, you had that goal of like getting to the start line of Berlin. Like my goal was like, yeah, get to the start line feeling good. And like, I got to the start line, but I wasn't really

Anna:

feeling great. Feeling good, yeah,

Phoebe:

feeling pretty, and the race itself ended up still being really, you know, enjoyable. So that's great. But I wouldn't say I like got to the race feeling really strong or like good in myself. But you know what? It's funny, because you look back on this and it's like, we haven't really achieved our goals, but like, that's fine. Yeah, well

Anna:

but like We did like not written down. No, I mean

Phoebe:

Technically, no. Spiritually,

Anna:

Spiritually though, yes, like we did do a lot of things that filled our cup and as I just said Running was the best ever last year. and I think maybe like alongside building Cheeky together, it also was just this like whole whirlwind and I actually would say probably like best year of my life.

Phoebe:

Last year? Yeah. Yeah. I felt the same. I mean, I feel like there's something, we were going to talk about our like reflections from last year in general, like wins and highlights and so on, but easily the biggest one is Cheeky. Yeah. Like, this is the No, I've never done anything like this

Anna:

Neither.

Phoebe:

That's like

Anna:

It still terrifies

Phoebe:

Yeah. Yeah. It has just been like, so, unexpectedly joyful, like, I don't know. I feel like we did it'cause we're really passionate about it, but I didn't anticipate how fun and rewarding it would

Anna:

would be, yeah. And like, so satisfying. I think what like, and I remember last year we would talk about it a little bit, is the messages that we sometimes get from people when it just, it almost articulates and summarizes exactly why we started cheeky in the first place is like their experience of listening to it. And that is, you know, like having more confidence. It's identifying as a runner, um, feeling like you can just get out there, meeting new people, going to different races.

Phoebe:

and

Anna:

Most of all enjoying running. And I remember even just running around Albo Park like together like 18 months ago, whatever it was

Phoebe:

Being like, imagine.

Anna:

imagine, imagine if we had this. Yeah. And I don't know, you kind of just have those pinch me moments being like, oh my gosh. Yeah.

Phoebe:

it was,

Anna:

actually kind of

Phoebe:

I know we literally like the conversation was like, imagine if we could help other women like feel the way we feel about running. Like, imagine we could like talk about running in this way and not to say that like we are responsible for that, but it's just been so cool that like that is what the conversation is

Anna:

Exactly. So, speaking of that, are you proud of and what do you reckon you did well last year?

Phoebe:

of and what do you reckon you did well last Running wise, I think, I

Anna:

got

Phoebe:

better at, I'd say listening to my body, but more like understanding through doing cheeky, like learning about the, A, the impact that running has on your body and B, Almost like everything that sits around it in terms of like recovery, cross training, nutrition and fueling, mindset, all those things. I feel like the biggest learning has been around that idea of running doesn't exist in a vacuum and you have to kind of bring it back to all these other, like how you treat your body and your life in general and so on. And so I feel like I'm Yeah, grateful for that, like, learning journey,

Anna:

like learning journey. Talking through different topics each week has really sort of like increased our own knowledge of like different parts of running or you know, like getting guest speakers on, like getting Jess on speaking about nutrition, like that was just a bit of a slap in the face.

Phoebe:

Yeah. Yep.

Anna:

was just so

Phoebe:

interesting.

Anna:

And it was just, yeah, and like Liv talking about sleep or like Rachel about like running in pregnancy, towards the start of the year. I kind of felt like a bit of a sponge even though it was like technically our show in a sense that was Providing this information even like us on the show. We were like, whoa Yeah

Phoebe:

week, choosing the topic and then sitting down to learn about it was like, it made me realize how little I have known about my body up until this point. And I, it's actually made me realize how little I still know, like, and then the other, Running, wind, um, got a 5k PB.

Anna:

Hey!

Phoebe:

I'll give, I'll take that. Yeah, I did the 5k race in May. And I actually loved it. I really am keen to do more 5k races. Like, looking forward to this year. Cause, yeah, I don't know. They're just such a fun distance. Fun to run around the track.

Anna:

so good, and you recover quickly. It's not as though you have to have this sort of, like,

Phoebe:

big

Anna:

And then a few weeks later, you're still recovering. you can just sort of knock one out and then like, get back into things.

Phoebe:

I feel like looking back, even though like Berlin, obviously a major life highlight, like that 5k baby was almost like my favorite race. Cause I felt, really good when I

Anna:

Yeah. Yeah. It's nice. And it doesn't happen that often, as we all know, it's so nice in a race feeling.

Phoebe:

good. What are you proud of this year?

Anna:

this is going to sound strange, but I did one long run marathon session and I remember being pretty scared about it because I'd never done Mara training before. Actually, sorry, I did. That's actually a lie. I did a couple, I did two. but one of them, it was, it ended up being like 32

Phoebe:

Yeah.

Anna:

and it was like 18 kilometers easy with, one kilometer a bit faster, one kilometer a bit slower times six. So then like another 12 Ks. Um, and. Looking back, I wish at the time, because obviously I thought that was just going to be like the first of many, but looking back now, I'm like, oh my gosh, I did that. And I think now being on the sidelines or like being on the outside, looking at it, that being like, that is huge. Like that is such

Phoebe:

you smashed it and you felt good afterwards. Like,

Anna:

Like it was so, it was just such a.

Phoebe:

fun morning

Anna:

And I really wish I could like bottle up. Cause that was just before we left to go overseas. I wish I could like bottle up that feeling I remember checking a couple of times being like, Holy moly, you just ran like 32 kilometers and yeah, I dunno, it was so cool. That's kind of what I'm like. Proudest of, in a sense, like one performance in a way, even though it was just a training run. but yeah, otherwise I think what I'm most proud of and also grateful for is similarity is cheeky. and just building up with you also I don't know how this has happened, but you're just like, the best person to be doing this with. Just in every single way. It's just like,

Phoebe:

it has worked out

Anna:

feel like, very lucky. I mean, I feel like 99. 99 times that, out of 100, that probably

Phoebe:

Yeah, that wouldn't,

Anna:

So, yeah.

Phoebe:

out of 100 that probably wouldn't happen, so, yeah. Well I feel like, I'm right back at you, yeah, I feel like it just started from, we both had this same, like I remember when we first had conversations about it, we were both like, yeah. Yeah, it was the exact same itch or something. Yeah, it was the exact same like, just realising that we felt the exact same way about it, and that we both had this passion, and I feel like you just start from that, like. That place of wanting the same the same why

Anna:

Yeah, yeah.

Phoebe:

like it's been so fun

Anna:

been so, so good. So yeah, excited for 2025. But

Phoebe:

all sunshine and daisies. There

Anna:

were tears. There was blood, sweat and tears.

Phoebe:

tell me about what was the biggest challenge or challenges that you faced and what did you learn from it? So I think

Anna:

or what did you learn from it? Do what I wanted to do without overcooking it, which I really did not do very well, particularly more so at the start of the year.'cause I think it was all just like learning everything was like very exciting and I feel like we were both just like trying to do a little bit too much'cause it's, you know, we're trying to run a hundred kilometers a week, which is crazy. Exactly. Yeah. Also, we work full time also do the pod also spend time with family. Yeah. Our partners. Yeah. Friends. and I reckon I was probably overdoing it. I think maybe as well. Because we were both going away kind of mid year. It's almost like, all right, I just need to get

Phoebe:

everything done

Anna:

before then. Yeah. so I think, my lack of balance in a sense, was probably like a big learning from, um, Last year to this year, losses, like what I was most disappointed was, I was just so excited for the marathon bill and Berlin and I don't know, which is probably naive of me, I never saw myself not doing it. So to just lose. grip of this goal and just like trying so hard to hold on to something but then yeah so I think what I would do if I had my time again it's kind of funny because as we were talking about before, my goal was to. In a sense like lean into taking running a bit more seriously if I wanted to which I did do but then now Looking back. Maybe I Lent in a little bit too hard Because then really my main goal was should have actually been just to get to that start line and I don't think I

Phoebe:

like lost sight of

Anna:

Yeah. I don't think I really like appreciated or gave enough credit to how difficult that in itself actually is. Yes. so yeah, they were made big takeaways But yeah, what were some of the challenges and learnings that you had of 2024?

Phoebe:

So definitely just the sickness, ongoing illnesses, viruses, and I think what came alongside that was in retrospect, looking back, like post Berlin, I've been in a real motivation slump. I'm out of it now, I would say, but like almost for like the six months afterwards, I was just like, yeah, I just don't care that much. Like, I just felt like I wasn't enjoying running, but I had no. motivation to like push myself. Everyone was signing up for more marathons. I was like, I know part of me wants to do a marathon

Anna:

Yeah. Yeah.

Phoebe:

And then even like you guys were signing up, our friends were signing up for, NUSA Try, which like I love the idea of, but I was like the thought of signing up for another like big event was so overwhelming. and I think similar to like by this stage, we were sort of having conversations about I mean, as much as we, love doing cheeky it's added like a big load to our life and so maybe we need to like you know balance like try and find ways to bring in a bit more balance and so i think i was like trying to be more cognizant of that in the second six months but I'm still figuring, trying to figure out what the, why the sickness is. Trying to do some reflection I suppose. I remember Liv said in our sleep app that I think you're four times more likely to get sick if you're not getting enough sleep and I was like, well that could just, it could literally just be that. So let's talk about 2025.

Anna:

about 2025,

Phoebe:

we? Have you thought about a running word of the year or just a word of

Anna:

word of the year? Um, yes. So mine is resilient.

Phoebe:

Okay.

Anna:

Which has a couple of meanings to me in this sense of, Not breaking down would be

Phoebe:

Yes. Yeah.

Anna:

but also as my hammy was getting better, I went to the doctor cause I was getting sort of the infrequent periods. and it just kind of realized that a few of my hormone, there were a few imbalances. So I'm currently not running as much, um, to try to that and I guess get my body into the regular state where I'm like menstruating every month and like recovering enough, getting enough energy in and like being a little less stressed I guess. And the resilience part of that is I actually find it really hard to not do heaps of stuff. And like, I love, as I said before, and there's like all of the listeners know, like I just froth running and like doing it so much. So the resilience is like actually getting through this time in a sense and like not doing much because weirdly, I feel like for so many people. Doing like a big training block is like hard to get through, but I almost find it the opposite. Like, I find like slowing down and not doing anything really, really challenging. So I'm trying to be resilient in that process.

Phoebe:

Oh, resilience is a great word. Oh, and I feel like there's so many parts of that that are really challenging because as we've spoken about before, like running is more than just like exercise.

Anna:

Yeah, yeah,

Phoebe:

so good for your mental health. Like How do you think, what do you think you can put in place to help you be resilient when running is one of the things that allows you to be resilient?

Anna:

yeah. So at the moment I'm running like 30 minutes every two days ish. And then yeah, have kind of been instructed to. Move less on the other days, which,

Phoebe:

less walking

Anna:

yeah, yeah, which is cause I feel like when you get injured, you're like, okay, I can't run. Let's go for a swim. Let's do this. Like blah, blah, blah. but now that I've gone back to work and I'm actually in Melbourne, I really want to get more into yoga and Pilates because I feel like you're moving your body in a gentle way, but also just like for your mind. I feel like it's very grounding so I feel like that would be a really good way to not necessarily like build the resilience, but just allow myself to like feel whatever I'm feeling and then maybe come out of it hopefully a little bit

Phoebe:

like, a

Anna:

headed. And also I know I spoke about him before, but like Ted, for instance, I feel like, cause I, my focus, like, unfortunately can't be like as much on running. It's like nice to have I'm like, I need to look after him as well. Kind of thing, which is like so, so nice. but yeah, I don't know. I actually don't know what else.

Phoebe:

You're like, what else is there?

Anna:

What else can I do? Um, I don't, I think, which is, I don't know, we've half done it before, but I think just like trying to be kind to myself, which is actually easier said than done.

Phoebe:

So I've been eating ice

Anna:

So I've been eating ice cream each night.

Phoebe:

So

Anna:

It's a little treat to myself. Like, just be kind to yourself.

Phoebe:

like, sometimes you sound like this. Yeah! I like that! Like, what a reward, mental reward as well. But I love the idea of doing more yoga as well, because I feel like yoga is such a practice of, like, it's actually, like, not about pushing yourself. It's just about, like, being in your body and, like,

Anna:

And like feeling your body, yeah.

Phoebe:

Yeah, maybe you'll become a yogi

Anna:

Yeah,

Phoebe:

this year.

Anna:

cheeky yoga. Lord knows I need it. I actually, I did a little class the other day just at home because I'm not quite up to actually going to a studio. I am a plank of wood. I just,

Phoebe:

Stiff?

Anna:

so stiff. The downward dog pose for me is so hard.

Phoebe:

My shoulders get sore because I can't, like, get into the right.

Anna:

my back. I get this like neural thing. And I feel like, sorry dad to shag you out, but he does these like back exercises and he just looks like he's stiff old

Phoebe:

man.

Anna:

And now I do these and I'm like. I feel like, I feel like my dad feels. What you And then I really want to just make sure, I continue to like, always meet up with you guys, after you run, because I feel like that's the part, that, friendship and that connectivity that I think sets you up for such a nice day, like, yes, it's the running, but we've spoken about so many times, like why there's so many reasons for like running, making you feel good. And I think a big thing for us is like that social connection. So I'm like, okay. Take the running out of it, but like I can still

Phoebe:

get that. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.

Anna:

what is your word of the year?

Phoebe:

Well, I've actually, I've never struggled so much to set a word of the year. I think I've come up with one for running. Mm. But I don't have a broader one yet, which I normally, I normally like always have one by the first day. I know

Anna:

I really don't.

Phoebe:

Why do. I think it reflects, like, a bit of uncertainty about this year in a sense. I think, like, because last year was, actually in most ways, like, my favorite year of my life. Like, I just have never had, found something so rewarding and fulfilling and then alongside, like, work and running and everything. But this year I also know that by the end of last year I was like, I can't have another year like this. I just, I don't want to become someone who is just like sick all the time and, and too busy and like, I hate, I don't know, even when I talk to my friends and they're like, yeah, I know, like you're so busy and I'm like, I don't want to be that person who's

Anna:

and I'm like, I don't want

Phoebe:

yeah, exactly, exactly. And so I think I'm like struggling between that balance of like, embrace it and, like, lean into the chaos of it all. And then the other half of me wants it to be, like, pull back and, like, be more sustainable and, like, so there's a weird tension between those two things. But I think I've come up with a running one, which is, this isn't the exact right word. It doesn't sound that exciting, but it's respect. And I was thinking about, like, respect for, yeah, like, respect for, um. This sport and the toll that it takes on your body. And so, you know, you need to like show up in the right way and do your strength work and do all those other things and respect for like, what it gives you, like the social life and the, health benefits and the mental health benefits and so on, like respect for that as a sport, but then also like respect for my body and like what you put it through almost so like. If I want to do this, then I have to have the recovery and the fueling and I do all those things right. And I can't just have the running you've got, I've got to have

Anna:

the other

Phoebe:

I want it to be sustainable and still be doing it in 50 years, which I do. the way that I thought about it is cause I remembered you said it's not just about listening to your body. It's about respecting

Anna:

And I was

Phoebe:

like, I feel like that's my next step is Go from like hearing it to being like, okay, I respect that. And yeah, so I think that's my

Anna:

Yeah, I like that.

Phoebe:

Respecting, yeah. Respect the

Anna:

Beep, beep, get some sleep.

Phoebe:

you have any outcome goals? So I'm last year when we spoke about running resolutions. We spoke about how you can have like That the kind of like identity level goal, which might be like the word of the year, then the next layer would be an outcome goal, which would be more like a target.

Anna:

Yeah. Yeah. for me at the moment it's sort of strange, I guess like I'm wrestling between as well being like, just take it day by day. Yeah. Blah, blah, blah. Like this, it's like not forever kind of thing. And then another part of me that's like, alright, let's do this, and then Let's do a 10k race or something at the end of the year. but I think, so as you mentioned before, a few of us have signed up for the Noosa triathlon, which is like bit rogue. I think there's 12 of us or something that have signed up, which

Phoebe:

it's going to be so fun. It's going to be so

Anna:

and I think my goal is to complete that. Yeah. Yeah.

Phoebe:

Yeah. Get it

Anna:

Yeah. And also just enjoy it, complete it to the point where. I'm happy with it in the sense that like, I'm not like battling

Phoebe:

Yeah, yeah, like

Anna:

I just want to, I want to participate and enjoy it and look around and just I feel, especially now because yeah, like I haven't done a few things that like I would have liked to do. I just feel like. I would just be so much more of a sponge to just like soak in the atmosphere, you know, when you like don't do something for a while, so then

Phoebe:

you You're just so grateful for it.

Anna:

yeah. So yeah, my goal is to complete that. Yeah, yeah.

Phoebe:

That's a great one.

Anna:

What about you?

Phoebe:

Well, I think I want to get 5K, 10K PB. Nice! Yeah. Love it. So I think this year, at least this is what I think at the moment, that I'm not going to do anything long, like marathons. I don't even think I'll do a half marathon.

Anna:

Yeah. Wow. The whole year.

Phoebe:

I don't think so.

Anna:

Nice.

Phoebe:

I feel like again, looking back at last year and being like, well, I can't, I don't want to just do the same thing all over again. I don't know that my lifestyle right now is like that conducive

Anna:

To

Phoebe:

doing a big marathon block. And I also in reflection, I'm like, why is marathon like, obviously it's so cool to do, but why is it? That

Anna:

So much

Phoebe:

it's all yeah, and why is it that everyone is always just like trying to progress up to like the half marathon or the marathon and then just repeatedly doing marathons, like 5k's and 10k's are so much fun. And I actually really like the training for them, like the shortest, sharpest sessions that you feel really good afterwards. Um, like don't get me wrong. I love a marathon block, but I just think you need.

Anna:

I

Phoebe:

to be prioritizing running way more if I'm going to do a marathon

Anna:

I'm going to do it off camera.

Phoebe:

Yeah, no, totally. Yeah, exactly. Um,

Anna:

stuff. No, no,

Phoebe:

short, I'm doing short stuff this year. I'm excited

Anna:

a short stop this year. I'm excited for it.

Phoebe:

That's a great question. I think it's 1740 something.

Anna:

something.

Phoebe:

Let's say

Anna:

It's in

Phoebe:

It's in the

Anna:

Okay, let's say 1745.

Phoebe:

10K,

Anna:

10k, I'm writing this down so we can check at the end of the

Phoebe:

know what my 10K PB is. I'm gonna say it's 38 minutes something. Something.

Anna:

Something. Okay, so. I want

Phoebe:

get under 38

Anna:

minutes. Okay, so we want to get 37 something. And then 5k?

Phoebe:

Anything below that

Anna:

be happy.

Phoebe:

with. Like maybe sub 1730, like low 17s would be so, I'd be really stoked with that. and then my other outcome goal. Is my sleep average for the year

Anna:

Yes. Now you're speaking My language

Phoebe:

is over seven hours a night. Huge.

Anna:

Okay. That's, I'm gonna write this down

Phoebe:

as well

Anna:

I might actually text this to

Phoebe:

to

Anna:

on a weekly appearance.

Phoebe:

I've got, I've got to make that happen. There's no reason. I can't make that happen.

Anna:

Yeah, All right. This is probably, uh, one of the things I'm looking forward to most. So our 2025, ins and outs.

Phoebe:

got some predictions.

Anna:

are you, what's in for you for 2025?

Phoebe:

Well, shorter races. No more marathons, like for this year, getting faster and working on shorter things, what else you got?

Anna:

mine is ankle socks.

Phoebe:

Ankle socks. carbs.

Anna:

Yes, that was

Phoebe:

I had, yeah, glycogen replacement, like post run. Night before, really leaning into carbs, constantly replacing glycogen. Carbs, carbs, Lunch runs.

Anna:

Oh, nice.

Phoebe:

I think, again, to help with the sleep thing. Maybe like one morning a week I'll just sleep in a bit and then run at lunchtime. Yeah. I reckon. I love that. Especially in winter when it's like

Anna:

a bit and then at lunchtime. Hurricane. Especially in winter when it's cold.

Phoebe:

Yes! Mm. Mm. I don't

Anna:

there is many better feelings than going for a swim after you run. We've got to get back into that. We used to, even during the week, we'd do run. From the beach, yeah, I reckon we should do that again. yoga.

Phoebe:

Oh, great one. Yes, I'll add that to mine as well. chews over gels, like energy chews.

Anna:

Oh, nice. I like that. Yeah. mine is trying new rocka bee flavored drinks.

Phoebe:

what haven't you tried?

Anna:

Oh, when I say try, I mean having a bit more of a variation. I always just have banana and cinnamon, which I love, but I'm like, I should live a little and

Phoebe:

Yeah, mix

Anna:

is such a bad

Phoebe:

someone? No. Someone sent us a video on Instagram of the Rockabee ice cream. Using one of the, you know those ice cream

Anna:

Yeah, yeah. And

Phoebe:

pour your Rockabees in there and it just makes it into an ice cream. That

Anna:

is so good.

Phoebe:

pretty far up your alley. I have, Adventure runs.

Anna:

I like that. another one of mine is, again, not really running related, is fun nails.

Phoebe:

really, I feel like is you don't often have your fun painted nails. Is that fair? Yeah. Like you have them,

Anna:

no, not really, but there's something about it that makes me feel. I don't know, I feel a bit more feminine, feel a bit more dressed up, it like makes me feel a bit like pretty and girly, and I love the

Phoebe:

Oh, I love

Anna:

more fun nails. Fun nails? Yeah.

Phoebe:

Going to the GP.

Anna:

just feel like I've been

Phoebe:

I

Anna:

for too long. And I don't, I've been sick. I won't go when

Phoebe:

I won't go when I've got a virus and in the past I should have gone because it was actually just infection for example that I could have gotten

Anna:

have gotten it.

Phoebe:

So more GPs.

Anna:

I also Jewellery. Okay, this

Phoebe:

isn't a good out, but I can like, feel it going. Um, foam rolling pre run.

Anna:

It's going out. It's going.

Phoebe:

I can just, I'm getting less and less from it. I'm like half heartedly rolling my calves for 20 seconds each and then, I don't know, I think more activations, less

Anna:

less foam rolling. I've never foam rolled pre

Phoebe:

I used to find it like, so helpful. And now I just, I still like it if I'm just like sitting in front of the TV or whatever. I'll do some foam rolling, but pre run,

Anna:

pre run No. No. mine, this is a little bit controversial in a sense. Mine like labelling easy runs on Strava.

Phoebe:

As, as easy

Anna:

Yeah, so it's like you go for a jog and then you put it on Strava and be like easy 10 kilometers. It's like doesn't really matter. Just say it's your run. We get it. You can go faster.

Phoebe:

don't know,

Anna:

I don't know. There's something about it that I just I'm not about because I think it's something in the sense that like one person's easy run like wouldn't be someone else's. I just feel like it's a bit of a. Putting, not even putting yourself on a pedestal, I don't know, I just, I don't like it.

Phoebe:

It's almost like an easy run's just a run.

Anna:

It's just a run. You're just going for a run.

Phoebe:

you can call it a session, or a harder run

Anna:

don't need to, like, label it an easy run. Yeah,

Phoebe:

Especially cause we had, we have like, people have told us that they like, don't put this run, Strava cause they're worried it's too

Anna:

Yeah,

Phoebe:

so how are they meant to

Anna:

another out. Yeah, exactly. Yeah.

Phoebe:

I reckon what will be out this year is the whole like, dedicated runner versus amateur runner,

Anna:

That vibe.

Phoebe:

think everyone will get used to it this year.

Anna:

Yeah,

Phoebe:

runners are here to stay. People run for different reasons. Runners are runners. Running is the club. I just think that's gonna get less interesting to people, surely, than, yeah, the kind of so called divide at the

Anna:

I agree. another out would be, for me, this is like, This is like a little bit exposing, but getting to work looking like a disheveled mess. So I feel like so much of the time, you know, by like going for a run, I obviously love the coffee time.

Phoebe:

Hannah's always the last one

Anna:

And I have been known to overstay my welcome at coffee instead of actually getting on my bike and going to work. There's, it's so strange. I feel as if. For some reason, that period of time is just so sacred to me that I couldn't possibly leave five minutes earlier, not that anything's really happening. And then I just make it so difficult for myself. I literally leave it. So. This is like, maybe too much information, so I need to have a 20 second shower.

Phoebe:

Really? Yeah.

Anna:

like it's so finely cut. And then I just get to my desk, and it's almost like, I just like, put everything down, and I'm just like, oh, I'm here. 30 seconds

Phoebe:

seconds to

Anna:

Yeah. Yeah.

Phoebe:

So leave coffee a bit earlier.

Anna:

no. Oh gosh. No. Mine.

Phoebe:

would be Get to work a bit later. Yeah, mine,

Anna:

Exactly. No, mine would be, uh, I actually haven't figured out how I'm going to do that, but definitely not leave coffee earlier, right? A little faster.

Phoebe:

have a theory that this isn't going to happen for me. Um, what's another one?, Yeah, yeah, yeah. Huge. No! What was the name

Anna:

them on, sorry. Yeah, that's

Phoebe:

poor recipients? I've worn

Anna:

the past

Phoebe:

for the past three years and it's, their time is

Anna:

actually thought That's it.

Phoebe:

Yeah. Great to be back.

Anna:

Great to be back. I love our new little setup. I love being back. And I'm looking forward to this year. Yeah.

Phoebe:

Yeah. Well, should we say we've got a couple of, well, one main announcement.

Anna:

Yes, we are having our first birthday party. Yay.

Phoebe:

Happy birthday cheeky. In

Anna:

three weeks time.

Phoebe:

Yes. So

Anna:

it will be on the,

Phoebe:

saturday, the

Anna:

the eighth of Feb. down in CMO in Richmond, in Melbourne. we'll put some more details out closer to the time, but essentially what it will be is Saturday morning jog into. Coffee, food, some chats, get around it. It'll be so fun. I'm actually really excited. We haven't, like, aside from the Gold Coast run, haven't actually, like, met up with everyone since March last

Phoebe:

year, so I'm

Anna:

I'm so excited. It'll be, like, super go at, like, whatever pace. There'll be, like, plenty of pace options. No one's too fast or too slow. and yeah,

Phoebe:

yeah. It's gonna be great! And then we're gonna, we've got a Sydney run plan in the works

Anna:

Yes, yeah. Sorry.

Phoebe:

if you're in Sydney, don't you worry, we'll be there.

Anna:

we are coming.

Phoebe:

We

Anna:

Um, thanks so much for the first episode of this year.

Phoebe:

Yay! Excited. Great to be back. Great

Anna:

to be back. And

Phoebe:

follow along on our We've got a lot, we've got some fun things launching. Yeah. We have some really cool new content

Anna:

I know. I'm actually really excited. So make sure you're following us at Cheeky Run Club on Instagram or TikTok. That's actually an in for 2025.

Phoebe:

TikTok. Posting

Anna:

Post more on TikTok. Understand TikTok. Yeah.

Phoebe:

yeah, Anna's going to do some

Anna:

do these young people do it?

Phoebe:

and we can't, we're so happy to be back in your ears.

Anna:

happy to be back, and we can't wait.

Phoebe:

you know, in for this next year is tightening up our outro.

Anna:

lot. A huge in. All right, we can't wait to be back in your ears next Monday. Bye!