Cheeky Run Club

Losing/finding your running why

• Phoebe Pincus & Anna Coldham • Season 5 • Episode 11

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Hello cheeky pals!

We’re wrapping up season five of Cheeky with an AMAZING chat with Nike Athlete Isobel Hume. We discuss everything from balancing full time work with a huge  running load, how she fell in love with the sport (then out of love, then back in love), how active mediation has lifted her performance, and the community at the heart of it all.

We then have our monthly check in on our 2025 goals, including some good learnings on resilience and recovery.

Thank you Nike for sponsoring this episode and supporting the pod. 

We hope you’ve enjoyed this season of Cheeky Run Club 💛 We'll be back better than ever in a couple of weeks!!

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phoebe:

Cheeky Run Club recognizes that every day we live, work, and run on Aboriginal land.

anna:

This episode is brought to you by Nike's after Dark tour, the Global Race Series starting in Sydney on April 12th.

phoebe:

Nice. Nice. Perfect. Welcome to Cheeky Run Club, the social running podcast and community for your everyday amateur runner. Hello, Anna.

anna:

Hello, Phoebe.

phoebe:

And hello, listeners.

anna:

On today's episode, the episode of this season.

phoebe:

are, are coming up to the end of this season, which is actually season five. I know we don't often reference seasons. Yeah. But can you believe that? Yep.

anna:

I can.

phoebe:

We, we, we feel every bit of it.

anna:

No. Um, yeah, it's going very quickly. Okay.

phoebe:

We,

anna:

We're already losing,

phoebe:

it feels like

anna:

off the ship.

phoebe:

Sorry.

anna:

and I'm so glad that we finished off this season with this episode because I really, really love the chat. we do bring in an extra special guest who will introduce shortly, but we just had such a great discussion. Yeah, very. So interesting. I feel like a fan girl, but like, she's just so inspirational just like so driven in like, so many forms of her life.

phoebe:

Just so interesting because she talked about things like meditation and how meditation can impact your performance. You talked about rediscovering your purpose with running. She actually also, raised some really interesting points about things we've mentioned in past episodes through with competing with other women and how we think about that. And it was just such a stimulating, enjoyable conversation and we think listeners are gonna really enjoy it as well.

anna:

Yes. we'll then, because as you highlighted off night before, it's that time of the month, so we will check in on our goals and see how we're tracking with them. Very keen to have a look at your Aura data once again.

phoebe:

I'm keen to show it to you. That's all I'm gonna say. but before we do, as always, we'll kick it off with our notable runs of the week. Anna, tell us about your worst run or running related activity.

anna:

Okay. Mine was Tuesday night. I got home from work. Went to go take Ted for a walk and. He, uh, did a number two, approximately 50 meters from our house. picked it up, continued on my merry way, and then went past a lady who would've been maybe in her sixties or something. I thought we smiled, but now I'm trying to remember. Maybe we didn't, and it was midnight the night before. So bins were out and I, this is actually, this might be controversial. Maybe we should do a little poll on Instagram. And then I placed. Ted's Poo in the bin,

phoebe:

which was in a bag.

anna:

Yeah, yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. I hadn't picked it up with my bare hands anyway, and as soon as I lifted the lids, I just heard this oy and I turned around and then this lady I had just passed who was about 20 meters away was like storming right up to me and came up right in my grill and was like. What are you doing with that poo? I've seen you before. You put the poo in my bin, blah, blah, blah. Started like rabbiting on about that and I literally was just standing there'cause I didn't know what else to say. you know, when you're like not quite sure what's going on. Yeah. And she was like, you wanna be in, you roll around with you. I never wanna see this again. I never wanna see you again. Where do you live? All this stuff. And I was like, oh gosh, I'm not telling you where I live,

phoebe:

I live 50 meters away. You, but didn't she say to you, I've been taking the poos out of the bin?

anna:

oh yes, that's right. She said, I've been taking your poos outta the bin. Mind you, I wasn't even at her bin. And also, I don't normally, Ted doesn't normally poo that close to home, anyway, and then she was like, I've been getting the poo outta the bin and throwing it on the road.

phoebe:

That is psychotic behavior anyway.

anna:

so I wanna know one. Do you put your dog poo in other people's bin? Full stop or other people's bin? When it's bin night. So when they're out on the street, or you just don't do it full stop? Yeah. What's the etiquette?

phoebe:

I mean,

anna:

I. Am a bit lost. Everyone that I've spoken to said You're well within. You're right. But I also know that you are all my friends.

phoebe:

No, and feel like I'm laughing at you. It now, when you're telling me the story, when I remember when you first were voice, knowing it to me listening, just being like, oh my God, that's awful. Like what an

anna:

yeah. It was actually quite rattling. Especially, I just got home from work and I was just kind of going for a nice.

phoebe:

yeah.

anna:

and it kind of just ruined. I don't know. I feel like I was a bit frazzled after that, but yeah, I agree. Even if you don't like it, I feel like you still don't go up to someone just be like yelling in their face because I've even been scared now to walk that way. Now I walk around the other way.'cause I'm scared I'm gonna go past her. Does she

phoebe:

she live on your street? I

anna:

know. I don't know where she lives, but I assume so.

phoebe:

Well, we, we will definitely poll the listeners on whether that's appropriate. Not her. Obviously what she did was inappropriate. But you putting Ted's. Feces

anna:

Ted's

phoebe:

in in other bins.

anna:

So that was my Tuesday evening. Sorry.

phoebe:

sorry that happened

anna:

You know what? That's okay., anyway, what was your run or running adjacent activity this week?

phoebe:

So my worst running adjacent activity this week was my gym session. Yeah, I was reflecting. I think I've been A bit of a Nico in the gym. Mm. I think I've been flying too close to the sun. I've gotten ahead of myself

anna:

yourself.

phoebe:

and I've been doing all these chin up,

anna:

all

phoebe:

assisted, assisted chin

anna:

up. Yeah. Yeah.

phoebe:

and started doing other arm exercises, just trying to help me with my goal of one day, being able to do a chin up unassisted. And I had been given feedback that when I've been doing my chin-ups, I'm not using my back enough. I'm using my shoulders too much. And so that's partially why I've been doing some other exercises to try and learn how to activate my back more. Yeah.

anna:

it's so strange'cause I feel like with so many other exercises it's like, make sure you don't use your back.

phoebe:

Yeah. Well maybe that's leg stuff.

anna:

Yeah. Yeah. It's more leg

phoebe:

you wanna use your

anna:

Yeah. Yeah.

phoebe:

And I decided this week so normally I have my assisted chin up on 40 kilos, as in it takes 40 kilograms of weight. And I'd try and do some chin-ups with that. And this time I was like, I want to go up one. so it's taking like 35 kilos or something, and. I was struggling so much like pull, pull, pull, pull, pull myself up and then I just felt this little, like stiffness in my neck and I, I actually didn't feel too bad in the moment, but it definitely got a little bit worse across the gym session. And then when I woke up the next morning, it was just stiff and sore and I, you know what? I actually think I've gotten away quite lucky'cause today it's been okay but I did have like a day off running yesterday and I,'cause I was really worried

anna:

Yeah. Yeah. If

phoebe:

you have a sore neck or back, so I think I've been playing a bit with fire, as I said, and I probably just need to like. Remember that I have no experience in the gym and maybe do a bit more reading about chin-ups

anna:

and And yeah.

phoebe:

something. Yeah, read about them,

anna:

Watch

phoebe:

more YouTube. I probably

anna:

Yeah. Maybe watch them more YouTube. Yeah.

phoebe:

how do you turn those right muscles on?

anna:

Yeah. I was just laughing at the thought of you like walking around with like a sore neck and like kink to the side or

phoebe:

in the gym, continuing to do arm

anna:

Being like, it's fine. Everything will be fine.

phoebe:

just feel like back,'cause it was my neck and shoulder, but then I've been getting like that whole side of my back has just been stiff and I just know that tends to always cause injuries with running and

anna:

yeah. You don't want that. So, yeah.

phoebe:

but tell me about your best.

anna:

best was this morning. It is Thursday evening at the moment, and I went for a run with a few friends. They. Did a little bit longer and then very nicely came and

phoebe:

you up.

anna:

up. Picked me up. we just went along the river and it was a really nice morning. Yeah. And I feel like we had good chats. anyway, and then we went back for coffee and then a couple of other girlfriends who were doing a session, joined us. So it was just really nice. One. Yeah.

phoebe:

was a nice morning, wasn't it? Yeah.

anna:

what was your best run?

phoebe:

My best run was my session on Tuesday.

anna:

Mm-hmm.

phoebe:

I'm back into just loving my sessions so much. the session was two by 1600 meters, two by 800 meters. Two by 400 meters, two by 200 meters, all off. 200 meter jock. Yeah. And I did it with a lovely, lovely, lovely group of friends. And I think the pacing, it felt like we nailed the pace of it. Always I felt like I was really pushing myself, but I felt comfortable and I had this, it was actually the first time that I feel like. even when I got tired, I could push through it. Yeah. And I felt

anna:

And I felt, I love it when you're running and you feel like you just feel quite

phoebe:

I felt really strong. Yeah. And in my head I was like, oh, I wonder if the iron is kicking

anna:

you. Mm.

phoebe:

I was also like, oh, I feel like I've been jamming consistently for nilly. Three months now. Mm. And maybe that's starting to come through'cause it was in the back end of the session. I felt really cardiovascular fatigue, but my body felt nice

anna:

and strong. Yeah.

phoebe:

so I felt really satisfied afterwards. it was by no means my fastest session, but I still came off it being like, oh I, that felt hard and I pushed through. And you know what? It made me excited for pushing myself more in sessions and stuff.'cause I haven't felt

anna:

Which you've sort of been like scared to do in the past.

phoebe:

yes. So Tuesday was a good confidence booster

anna:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Woo hoo. Go girl. Should we get into the main topic of the week?

phoebe:

Let's do it. So, when we were given the opportunity to interview a Nike athlete in the lead up to the Nike after dark tour, we wanted to speak to someone who really understood the challenges of balancing competitive running with working full time and living a full life. And there aren't many people who can empathize with this more than Izzy Hume.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Izzy works full-time as a research scientist and sustainability consultant here in Melbourne. She's also coached by Run as one in Adelaide and is often seen completing her training solo here around Princess Park in Carlton, and along the Yarra River. Her current five kilometer PB is 16 minutes and 22 seconds, and her 10 kilometer PB is 34 minutes and 14 seconds. So she's obviously an absolute weapon and we can't wait to learn from her today. Welcome to the show, Izzy.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Hi. Thanks for having

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

for having me. Nice to have you. So we'd like to start at the beginning. What was your relationship with running like as a child?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

this is a really interesting question because I feel like for me, when I think back to my childhood, running was always kind of like an omnipresent thing that I would do, especially in high school. Like I definitely have memories of going for a run before school, but I don't think I was ever consciously aware of. I never thought about, like what my relationship was like. I almost didn't have a relationship with it. It was just something that I did, and I think that came from growing up in a family where I. Exercise and activity was just always a really big part of what we would do. that's how we would spend time together we would ride our bikes to the beach, or we would ride our bikes like an hour into the hills just to have a coffee and then ride back. And that's definitely something that my parents still do. Like that's how they spend their free time and my sister as well. So being fit I think was always just like a byproduct of enjoying being outdoors and being active It's funny to think about that now because I'm obviously running is my whole, my whole

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

life

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

this like very complicated sometimes relationship with running and I think about it 24 7 and it's like such a big part of my life. But when I think back to pre joining runners one and pre having a coach, very uncomplicated would be how my relationship was

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

with running. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, very

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

free. Yeah. Okay. And so how did it come about that you got involved with Runners one and how did that change things for you?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

this is a really good story. So I actually just got a DM one day. It was a Facebook message from Izzy about Doyle.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

not many people can say that.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Slid into the air, she slid into my dms. but this was before like, she was obviously a really good runner. I think she had just gotten back from college, so she was a really good runner, but she was just settling back into Adelaide and, I was living in Adelaide at the time and yeah, she was starting a new running group with her partner Riley, and she must have seen that. I run on struggle. We've got a lot of mutual friends like Adelaide. If you're the same age as someone else in Adelaide. You know them. Like she wasn't a stranger to me or anything.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

it wasn't creepy. It

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

creepy. No, definitely not creepy. And I was obviously so grateful to get a message, like one of those moments that really sets your life on a very different trajectory.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

sliding doors

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

It was a sliding doors moment. Yeah. Yeah. So she just sent me a message and was like, Hey Izzy, my boyfriend and I we're starting this running group Tuesday, six 30 if you wanna come. I could be really nice. And it was, I think the first time I went there was like five or six people there. One of them being Izzy's mom.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Wow. So you were one of the very

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I'm an, yeah, I'm an og. I'm a founding, not a founding, yeah. Founding member. I'm a founding member. Yeah. That's my biggest claim to fame. is crazy. Now when you think about. runners one is this huge group now and it's, it's got so much like infrastructure around it. They've got shop, they've got all these like different branches.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I know. I was gonna say like from their Instagram, it looks like they have like 300, 400 people there. I am going to Adelaide in June I, and one of these things I'm like, oh, I want to try

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

No, you have to

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

so I can like join

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

But I'm like, that's,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

correct.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

not many cities in the world where You'd be like, oh, I kind of wanna go there because I wanna go

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

It's like, oh yeah, it's putting Adelaide on the map. It's actually, no, you have to go and you'll, be obsessed. I don't even think, just rock up at Princess Park. Sorry. Not at Princess Park. At Victoria. At Victoria Park.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I was like, where are they all?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Where are they? Um, oh, I'm excited for you. Maybe I, maybe I'll come.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Um,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I'm gonna have fomo. So

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

fomo. So let's go back to this moment. So you join in for a session. Did you love it straight away? Like how did that change things for you?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

for, I definitely loved the training straight away. I've always loved pushing myself, the feeling of going fast, seeing how fast I could run a 5K or run a 10 k. I think I was probably more apprehensive. Ri would probably attest to this, in terms of wanting to actually compete and take it a bit more seriously and do races and do track races was very intimidating. Like, as you guys know, I know you did that episode two weeks ago. It all felt really scary. And I think as well, it's really vulnerable to Admit that you're trying to do something hard and to like put yourself out there. especially as girls, I think we have a predisposition to want to be expert at something before we do

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

something. before we admit that.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. Did it be like, yeah. Yeah. I, that was the fastest I can run. I tried really hard and like, we're always so perfectionist and we're, we put so much pressure on ourselves, and I think as I know. Myself and I know what I'm like. I just had this inkling that if I went in, I was gonna be all in.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah, if you let yourself

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

and Yeah, like for context, I started my PhD at the start of 2020, so I was six months in. no one hates themselves more than someone who's doing a PhD. Like you are questioning every decision you've ever made. You're just like. What is life like? So insecure. What? Like, I'm just like the worst person ever. I can't do anything. Right? So then the thought of putting myself into this other really big, stressful, scary, vulnerable

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

felt really overwhelming. so it took a li I think it took a few nudges, like before I fully went all in. But yeah, it's just like such a supportive community, having Izzy as a friend and role model to be able to guide you through everything. Like probably the first track race I did would've been with her. It would've been a local.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

yeah. Oh my gosh. That is,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. Yeah. It would've just been a local Australia essay, you know, K or something like that. And she's there and she's giving you a hug at the end like, you did so well. Like, you know, it's just, yeah, it's so homegrown, so it felt really organic. And the other thing as well, there were a couple other. Girls who also were starting what runners one was able to do was pick these people who liked running and who had the potential to do more. But you know, maybe were like a little bit scared and then by all of us doing it together and the fact that it was really new for all of us

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. Like a journey a

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah, like my first interstate trip that I did for a race. where it's like we're in the elite start, room or whatever, and there's all these really scary people, but then there's also my two best friends. So it's just, it brings it right back down. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

be so comforting to like be on the journey together. Definitely. Yeah, Definitely. so bringing it up to now, why do you run?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. Now I think it's funny like having settled that it was almost like it went through a wave. it was really uncomplicated and fun and free to begin with. And then I think that. Once I started taking it a bit more seriously and started having that success just kind of came with it. Then I think I got, or maybe almost lost myself for like a year or two. Started thinking that that's what mattered, that the results are what mattered. And then now especially I would say in the last six months, it's been a real conscious effort to go back and reconnect with. Why I liked running in the first place, what I liked about it. Yeah. Purely for the fun of it. Like to move my body to enjoy it, to see what my body can do see how fast I can run a 5K like at the end of the day, nothing's changed. It's, it's exactly the same. but it if I said that before, the relationship was really uncomplicated, it does sometimes feel complicated now because It does feel like, people now have invested in me and, wearing the Nike League kit. Like, I don't take that for granted. That's a huge, honor, you know, and it's not, not necessarily that I have imposter syndrome, but I do feel like a responsibility. if I'm wearing this, I don't wanna just take the piss,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. You wanna represent it well

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah. I wear, I wear it with pride. Like I work with pride and I wanna do my best for them. And you know, Riley and Izzy are so supportive and invest. so much of themselves in me and so much of their knowledge. And so, and everyone at Nike is so supportive. So I feel like, yeah, I wanna do well for them, but also I have to be really aware with myself that that's not why I'm running. Yeah. You know, like the reason that I'm running is because I love the feeling of the movement. Yeah. A hundred percent.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

And so to unpack more about like what I guess running looks like for you now, talk us through what a typical week might look like training wise.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

So I train sessions on Tuesdays and Fridays. you've already outed me. I train a solo a lot of the time.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I actually logged back into Strava for this. Did you,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Oh, you out? Are you off?

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Strava? You see steal work? Yeah. And I was like, I need to know

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

she running? Where

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

is, there actually is a runners one group, in Melbourne, but they train south side and I'm

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I've seen them. They run around the Yara sometimes,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Definitely wave and say hello. Everyone is very, very friendly.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

They look fast. There's one particular middle aged man, and I always see him with his runners, one singlet.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Ooh. Yeah. I'm, I'm,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

the 10. That's all, that's, that's all that's end of the story. My story.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

It might be Shane, he's, yeah, he's really doing God's work over here for runners one, like he's really flying the flag. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's always in

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

runner's one. He, yeah. Next time we'll try and say Hi Shane and

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

hello. Yeah. Yeah. See if he, see if he turns around. Absolutely. no, but I head to the track most Tuesdays. So Tuesdays is normally a track session and shorter interval stuff. Friday is longer intervals or a threshold or a broken threshold. And then Sunday's long run. Yeah, probably normally do like 20 to 25 Ks on a Sunday. And then at the moment I'm running every day, so not having a rest day, sometimes a double on a Thursday, and that probably brings me up to a hundred Ks a week. Yeah. But it really varies. I've had a lot of races at the side of this year. I'm really not like stressing about my Strava graph going up or down. I don't pay too much attention to that. Mostly just try and focus my energy on getting like really good sessions on a Tuesdays and Friday. Like really wanna get in a good mindset, be really present, go in with a goal, do it really well. And then the other, the other ones are just around

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

that or just like filling up the rest of the cup

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

what are some big parts of your life outside of running?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I work full-time,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

quite a big part.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

so that doesn't leave much room for much else. yeah, I work full-time as a research scientist doing environmental modeling and I work a lot analyzing the sustainability of Australian agricultural systems and food systems. So that's a really big part of my life and something I feel really passionately about as well, I've been a runner for five years, but my whole uni degree took seven years and that was like the core driving value that Was why I did everything that I did. that's such a big part of my identity still now for me. Like maybe, yeah. It's funny'cause like people at work don't really understand like what

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

the running

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

me. Yeah, exactly. And then people who run probably don't understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah. How much my work means to me. But for me, I find it really valuable having two things that I care a lot about because obviously not everything's gonna be going well at all times and. we're all multifaceted and we, we contribute in lots of ways. Like, I'm not trying to say that running isn't like a valuable thing to do, you know, building community and having like strong relationships, but for me, I get a lot of meaning out of my work. So it's nice to have that always as something that's always gonna be there even when I get a stress fracture.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. Well I was gonna ask with training and now work to overlay those two. How do you fit your running around your work? Like are you getting up really early in the morning? Are you running after work, practically? What does that look like?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. I run in the morning. I actually did try this week. I tried working from seven to three and running in the afternoon.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Oh yeah, yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Nah, it wasn't for me, not for me. I will. Bounce out of bed at 5:00 AM Yeah, no problem. So full of beans ready to go. And then by 6:00 PM no matter what I've done that day, like I'm off. Like

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

yeah, done.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

lights have gone off. I cannot make decisions. I'm not a nighttime person, so running is better for me in the morning. I thought that maybe if I swapped it, I'd be really productive in the morning, but

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah, but I think running makes you more productive. Well, we talk about this sometimes as well. Running can make you productive.'cause it makes you really energized. At least until you then

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Then, then you can't

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

until 11:00 AM.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

so you just mentioned stress fracture. What have you learned about listening to your body leading question?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah. Okay. I feel attacked. No, I would like to have it on the record. My stress structure was early and that's when I didn't understand

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

talking. Yeah. Anna,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

get it.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I know you got a stress Al last year

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I was inexperienced. Uh, um, the question was about listening to your body, wasn't it? Okay.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

how do you

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

like, how do you

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

implement that when you're doing all these other things as well?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Well, this been on my mind a lot lately. So I, actually went a sports psychologist towards the end of last year.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah, Oh my God. Cool. Yeah. it was, yeah,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

good. I just felt like I wasn't fully present and fully enjoying everything that was happening because it just felt like I wanted to do everything, but it was like my brain couldn't appreciate everything that was happening. and one of the, it's like such a basic recommendation to go and. See a psychologist and then be like, you should meditate. And then that changing my life. But the thing that was so transformative about this particular meditation that I've started doing the app is called Healthy Minds, and it's just a straight up meditation app, but every single meditation in there you can set to be active, So it's not running specific, but you can.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

oh wait, what is active as in like go for a walk

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, it's just like while you're doing something. So it's not just lying down they say do it when you're doing something very low maintenance. Like I wouldn't do it during a session, but on a jog or on a walk or when you're doing the dishes or when you're doing anything.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

driving.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I wouldn't do it with diving. I think that's a high risk. I think that's,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

here. Sorry Mr. Officer, I was speeding because I was so relaxed.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, I was too. I fell asleep with the wheel. No, but it gets you so in tune because it's kinda like doing a body scan while you're running, or it's counting your breath, listening to your breath, or it's like, notice. Sensations in your body practicing not labeling them as good or bad, but just as a feeling. But it's had this such like a double pronged benefit to me.'cause I that ability to quiet your mind and focus, it's all about focusing your attention. Like no matter what you're doing, you wanna be able to focus your attention on what the task is So it's beneficial in terms of, if I'm leading into a race and I'm really stressed, I wanna be able to focus my attention and not think about, oh my God, who, who else is running? What's happening here? Like, what's the time gonna be? What's this And especially the more that I feel like there are eyeballs on me, maybe that gets in my head. So it's kind of just being able to narrow my focus to myself, but then it's had this huge benefit specifically with running, because I'm doing it. When I'm running. I'm also practicing listening to my body. During a run as well.'cause it's so interesting what you were saying in last week's episode that you guys did where you were talking about, can you trust this into your body? And like the idea of your, body or your brain being a kind unreliable narrator and not always being able to trust it. It's funny because you were talking about that in the context of it not recognizing the tired cues, but I also think as a runner, when you're training or you're racing. Your body or your brain. Some part of your brain screaming at you to stop, but if you can quiet that as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. If you can quiet that as well. I did that and just immediately started running better as well. it just had this huge benefit where I was able to like tune in and listen to my body But not be overwhelmed by what it was telling me. Like kind of like listen to it, but be like far removed. and now I do it cause I train by myself, I can, I'll do a 20 minute meditation before a session in my warmup. That's what I'll listen to and I just feel so in tune with what I'm doing and then I do the

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Wow.

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just feel really clearheaded. I used to always run with headphones as well, which I think Obviously like hypes you up and pumps you up, but if you are already operating at a pretty high level of hype Yeah, a level of hype, a level

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

bit, it's

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

like too much. Yeah. It's like you're operating at this intense level of energy. And then you go through, I run and you're listening to Beyonce and you get home and it's just energy, energy, energy is also, you're not gonna recognize your tired cues. So I think going for a run and just. Having it, like bring it down a level. Yeah, You know? Yeah. But I also know that the Nike Run Club app, they have a lot of guided runs as well. They do some with Headspace, And they are, if you're into something that's like more run

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. So

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These ones that I'm talking about are not run, they're just general meditations. But they're good because you can do them while you're running. Yeah. Whereas in the Nike Run app, there are Headspace run guided runs, which I think are also really good as well. If people are interested in doing that.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I feel like that would be really interest. I'm, I'm very interested.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, you should be interested. It's, yeah. And now I've become a full, no, like in a session. No headphones. Long run. No headphones like

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

solo, session.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

but it's. I hate to be like preachy. It's like euphoric. Like it's

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

pretty smug over

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah. I'm pretty smug. Like I'm a guru over here. Like you guys just need to,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

She's a guru. I do agree though. There is something really nice about, solo long runs where you don't have anything in your head and it's just you, it's like when in

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah, yeah, yeah,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

do you ever do that?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

And Yeah, I mean I've, I've kind of always run by myself, which like, I'm a really extroverted and really social person, but I've always found it running. I dunno if it's some type of a DHD byproduct, I can think when I'm running, I can clear my head whether I need to process the day, process the thoughts. And sometimes I'm really not mindful, my brain is going a million miles an hour, but it's almost I need to process everything that's happened. But then also other times I need to just quieten and listen to the sounds or like listen to my breath or just my feet on the pavement, and you get in such a rhythm. You feel so clearheaded afterwards.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

That is amazing. So good. Do you have any other tips or strategies about what good balance looks like for you and how you try and achieve good balance in your life?

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Balance,

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Ah, balance.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Balance. It's a very,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah.

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yeah, that's a very, um, presumptuous question. I have to think that

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

not a leading question. This time.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I think okay, I have some non-negotiables, like if I'm going into the week. I'm gonna have to work, like I have a job, I have to work. Sleep is a such a non-negotiable for me. And then running, running is obviously not, and they're kind of like my hierarchy of needs. And to be honest, if other things are gonna fall off oh, sorry. And I should say eating fuel is definitely, fuel is on the hierarchy of needs. Definitely. But As long as I'm eating something, I'm happy. if that's not vegetables, that's fine. Like, you know, like if the washing hasn't got done. Yeah. If the washing hasn't got done, that's fine. Like if the house is a mess, that's fine. I feel like just being kind of realistic with how much time you have. Being really pragmatic about what are my priorities to get me through today and for me, they're the top priorities. I won't, I, everything's like a shit show, but it's 9:00 PM I'm just calling it I need to, I need to go to bed. Yeah. That's a weekend

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. But that's, Must be so good to have that much clarity over what is important and what's not. Yeah. So you're not holding yourself to an incredibly high standard in all areas

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

of your, yeah. Which then? Yeah, a hundred percent. And just being realistic and as well, I'm really lucky my work is flexible with hours and things like that. So If I need to sleep in, and that means I'm gonna run a bit later and that means I'm not gonna get to work till 10 30. It's completely fine. I just, yeah, I can just travel things around and it does take a bit of planning Just the reality of being that busy and when you have such full days. Mm-hmm. Sometimes it'll be looking at my whole week, at the start of the week. Yeah. And being like, is this feasibly gonna happen? Yeah. Do I need to cancel something? Do I need to move something around? or even just being prepared. And I'm really lucky, my partner is so supportive and he understands as well, and he's also really busy in his own Pursuits and we can just communicate with each other and be like, I'm probably gonna go dark for two days. you know, like, he'll be working really late. Say, and he'll be like, I'm gonna be working. Like I'm, yeah. Like, I'm not gonna be on sacking the dishwasher this week. Like, I'm just gonna, let's, let's set that expectation right now. I like

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I really like that. Yeah. Yeah. Sean, every week. Sean. Every week Sean. Every week on a Sunday night. I'm going dark this week.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yes.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

on Friday night, baby. Sure. okay, so now we'll get into some fun questions and

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

the, were the other ones not fun?

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

To just switch up falling sleep here. Um, what is your favorite cool running memory.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Okay. I have a good, I have a great answer for this. Yeah. I'm ex I'm excited to relive it mentally right now. I'm gonna say it's actually a recent one. It would be running 5K at Adelaide Invitational a few weeks ago. So

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

where I think you did your

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I did do my pv, yeah, but that's not why it's the cool memory. Um, So people who, dunno, Adelaide invitation, it's part of the Athletics Australia circuit. They go to the kind of a couple, there's a Perth. Race. There's a Sydney Track Classic and Adelaide's on the roster, but obviously it's also my hometown. So I got to go back to Adelaide, and this is, post meditation me. So, you know, I'm, I'm my peak self. I

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

this is guru, is

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

this is, this is the guru version of myself. I feel like I just kind of come out of. a worse mindset, feeling really good about myself. My training had been going really well and I got to run that with Zoe Tolland and she is really good friend of mine, but she's more of a, like a 1,503 K runner. Yeah. And so 5K is our sweet spot where we can mix. And we had been messaging each other all week. And we kind of agreed that she was gonna run 800 meters. I was gonna run 800 meters. We were gonna go like work together. Yeah, yeah. Like we're gonna, we worked together the whole time. We went like two laps each for the first three Ks and then we said to each other, you know, if you're feeling good, just go for it. Yeah. And we both ran huge PBS and there's like just this photo of us both on the finish line, hugging just like dead, but like, and it was just such a special, it was so, the fact that we both ran so well and. I know for sure like I would not have gone through that without her. Yeah. I can't speak for her. I assume that I helped. I assumed that I pulled her along a little bit as well, but it felt so easy because we were helping each other out, and then we just fully shared that moment together and coming up through the ranks kind of together, starting from like not really knowing what we were doing to now being at this place, like running at Adelaide Invitational and running. Well, it was just so special.

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Did it get competitive at any point in the race? No. See.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

See, just not competitive at all. Like You're

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

You're genuinely just stoked for

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

each other. Genuine, genuinely, wholeheartedly. So happy for each other and Yeah. It's so interesting. I actually, when, I don't wanna call you out on this, but I, um, but I might, but,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

But

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

um, let me sit up. Um.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

let me get close to the door just in case he ends badly.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I was listening. So when you did your track race thing last a few weeks ago, you did the track'cause I was at Box Hill. Did you know I was there.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Oh

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I saw you. Yeah, I was a bit starstruck by you. Yeah. Yeah. I did the 5K as well. Yeah. So I felt very validated by your episode.'cause that was a hard night. Like it

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

That was, a hard night.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

but you said this thing you were talking about, you were talking about how intimidating it can be at the start line, and then you also just said this comment, you were like, just really hard when it's all a full female lineup. I feel like when there's boys, they pull me through, but when there's girls, I feel like I'm competing with them. Yeah, yeah, Do you stand by, like, do you, what do you think that is like.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I guess it's because all in high school growing up, you never, you only compete against

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

you're like indirect

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

it's almost like I am triggered and I've got PTSD and I'm back in like under 14

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

but I don't, um. It's not true that I'm like running

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

against Yeah. Yeah. You're not like, I'm gonna break her kneecaps, like I'm gonna beat her. No,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

God. But it definitely flips into a more competitive mindset for me, which I don't mind,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It kind of gets you fired up a little bit. Yeah, yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

um, I don't, I, that's not triggered when I'm racing against guys.'cause I wouldn't think about, to be competing.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. It's so interesting. It's just'cause Yeah. I mean obviously like we're all product our environment, you know, like you don't come out the womb being like, shit, you ran 18 minutes. And I ran like, that's a learn. Yeah. It's very learned. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

not saying it necessarily should be that way. Like I love listening to that story and hearing you guys work together. Yeah, and definitely like my 5K PB also was run with a group of my friends and we worked together the whole time, so I completely think that's how it

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. It's so funny'cause I understand, I think it's such a, it's like trickle down, you know? Like I understand that when you're like competing for the Olympic marathon thing, there's three spots and it is literally, it's like there are plenty of 17 minute five Ks to go around. Like we can all have one if we want. Yeah. yeah, so, okay, so here's my question then, because I'm, I was thinking about this'cause I was just, could not stop thinking about after you said that. And I was like, How do we kind of stop falling into like an unhealthy habit like that with ourselves and how can we project that to other people and how do we make other people feel like they're not competing with us. You know? And then I was thinking, would this trigger you more if someone was like, Hey, what time are you gonna run? What time are you going for?

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Oh.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Oh,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

no, actually you

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

that more comforting or

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

more, more, I like it when we talk beforehand and girls share what

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

time they're going for. Yeah. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

that's they're the my favorite races. Like, oh, I think I'm gonna run at this pace. And then there's a few people like, okay, cool. I'll run with you. Like I quite

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah, no, I hundred percent agree, but I'm not sure if it's like asking someone like how much money they make or something. Like sometimes I feel a little bit weird, going up to people and be like.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

it more comforting, more

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

More. Yeah, because I'm,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

to answer your question though, I feel like not getting into the nitty gritty, but I feel like it's a way deeper issue than running. I feel like it's

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Not to take it to a place of patriarchy, but we just

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

only ever been one seat at the table

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah. No, no, no. 100%. Yeah. but this is the thing, like I'm, this is why I'm thinking like, what can we like do to try and, like, I'm trying to rewire my brain'cause I'm not, I'm the same, like I'm 100% the same.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I reckon to your point of what you're saying though, it's like Yeah, ask the times.'cause all automatically, like even when you're saying about doing that and it's like, let's take

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. Lines. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

All of a sudden you're like, we're working together.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, we're on the same team. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Because I do that all the time. Like I'll go up, I had a race in Tasmania a couple weeks ago and I did that. Like I just went up to everyone. What time are you running? Because I wanna know are we gonna work? And if they say like some crazy time, I'm like, okay, have fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you're gonna run better and it also just helps you like. From a selfish reason, it kind of helps you pace. if someone is running a slower time, it helps you be like, okay, if I'm with you, maybe I'll try and push or whatever it is. Yeah. But yeah, I'm never sure if that's stressing people out and they're like, why do you wanna know what's, what's your

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I don't. I mean, maybe some people I, I reckon most people would be like all of us and be like Also even just going and talking to people before the race Yeah. Helps it, it humanizes everyone and it's

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

A hundred percent. It like demystifies, who are these scary people?

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. You're no longer just a name on

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no. I think that definitely saying hello to people and being friendly and yeah, if you can, but it is always risky when you commit to the lap for lap. It's pretty risky.'cause obviously get stuck. It is. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

If you know someone well though and you've trained together and so on, then that's such

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah, yeah. When you train, when you train together, it makes the biggest difference. But yeah, I don't know. it's every single year Zoe and my, our PBS just become the same like in

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

so nice.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

but she, no, she's a complete weapon. she ran the three KA couple weeks ago I think, oh, I might get it wrong. I think she came like seventh or something like that in National three K. My

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Oh my God,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

an absolute, yeah, yeah, yeah. And the nicest person you will ever meet,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Oh,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I think that that just also goes to speak to the culture that has been fostered at Runners one. Like you can't attribute that to anyone other than

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I feel like I hear that it's such, sounds

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

It really is. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

I even remember, speaking to Riley at, got the Gold Coast last year and I hadn't met him before and he literally was the friendly, I don't know. There

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

was an angel ego. an an no ego immediately. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

how'd you go today? Like you are just actually genuinely a nice person.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

good auras. Yeah, no, I feel very lucky. They're great.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

That is very cool. Tell us, if you could pick three people to go and run with, who would they be and where would you run? Okay,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Okay, I'm gonna cheat. I'm gonna pick like 300 people because this is gonna be a runners one session, like without a doubt. And it would have to be the one K reps that they do. Yeah. So they've, this is the thing as well. They organize all of their sessions so that no matter what ability you're at, you're all running as one. Yeah, yeah. But so the one K reps, they'll often do it. Off a four and a half minute cycle. Yeah. So if you are running three and a half minute, you should get one minute rest. Yeah. and people are running anywhere between like three minute Ks and some people are running at six minute K pace eight minute K pace, every single ability is catered for. You just run a, you just run a shorter distance, so you might only run 800 meters or 600 meters. So everyone just. Runs, you run to the distance so that you should get about a minute rest and then everyone starts the next wrap back together. Oh, so you can just imagine like fist bumps. Yeah. Hundreds of people. Everyone is doing the same. everyone is

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

That is unreal. We have to go along

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. And'cause the thing is like everyone is trying just as hard in a session like that. Like everyone is busting a gut. Everyone feels exhausted, everyone feels so proud of whatever they've done. But you have yeah, people running three minute Ks and you have people running eight minute Ks

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

And they're all like finishing at the

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Yeah. And everyone's finishing at the same time. And it's just

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

is the last rep like a big like handicap rep?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Well, there's always no, no.'cause you go out and back.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

but as in like the last rep, is everyone like, okay, I wanna get to the finish line first.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

do. There'll always be some people doing like 10 reps or something. Like people train for a marathon. So normally you've, you've checked out like, I'm, don't do marathons, so I'll check you out. And then you just see people and you're just like, oh, I feel for you.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

That looks really hard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But everyone will be cheering you on, everyone will be

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

You must miss that in your solo

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

do. I really do. But I go back, I mean, I've got family in Adelaide, so if I'm going back for the weekend, I try to go. So I can go for the Friday session? Yeah. Or the long run as well. The long run is really great.'cause they've got, they opened up a shop so that it's like called the Run House. Yep. And they just sell everything you could need. And they've got coffee and protein, you know, they've got, they sell prepped, like they've just got everything that you want. Socks.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

good. okay, so what are your favorite shoes to run in for? easy runs and then also sessions. So

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

So easy run. Now I'm obsessed with the new ro. Have you tried them? They're so comfy. Yeah, so I used to wear the ro. 17 like religiously. So I was very excited when they got the New VI Mary 18, and I've been wearing them a lot. And I've also been really loving the, Pegasus Premium.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Oh, that's the one that looks really cool.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Okay. So. I got sent the Pegasus Premium and because I was so right or Die for the Marrow and Pegasus, I saw it and I genuinely was like, is this for running, is this for fashion? Like it looks'cause it's got this crazy. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. If you haven't had a, if you haven't seen one of these before, it's fluorescent orange. Yeah. And it looks

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

it doesn't look like any, yeah, it doesn't look like any other on, so I genuinely, I didn't get that. I was supposed to like jogging them. I thought they were just For fashion. For, for street style. Yeah. And then I took them out and yeah, they're crazy. They don't feel like anything else. So I've been adding them in as well. Loving, loving them. And then I always race in an alpha fly. Yeah. But I often would session in the Vapor Fly or I've actually been doing a few sessions in the New Street. Fly. They're kind of like less, they're kind of like more like a flat, like a racing flat. So on the track, if you're doing more speed, speed stuff, they've been really good. And the newest street fly. It's got a carbon plate. It's it hasn't got that big bounciness of an alpha fly, but you can, you feel fast. They're so light. Yeah. Yeah.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

okay. Final question. You are also doing

phoebe:

the Nike after dark tour,

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

in a couple weeks? Yes.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

Yeah. What are you most excited about?

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

I am really excited just to tackle the distance. To be honest, I haven't run a half marathon in a little while, and my last one was, well, let's just say it was pre guru, it was tough, like mentally tough before

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

became enlightened.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

exactly. So I'm excited to run it and just. half marathon is tough for everyone. it's always tough. but I'm really excited to see what I've got in the tank. I feel like I'm in good shape. I trust my training. I know that the vibes are gonna be immaculate, so I'm really excited for that. And then just watching everyone else come through the finish line, it's my favorite thing, like a Nike half marathon, just watching. I feel like the last few years I've finished. My half marathon, kind of around where the three hour, marathon people come through. Yeah. And just watching everyone come through and watching their celebrations and I know that there's gonna be a huge celebration with live music and I am, everyone's gonna be buzzing. So I am really excited for that.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

So. Good. Well, we are too. Thank you so much for coming on the pod today. It has been great to chat to you.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

Thanks for having me.

ZOOM0043_Tr3:

And we'll see you in a couple weeks up in Sydney.

ZOOM0043_Tr4:

yeah. I should have said, I'm excited to see you guys. That's the one I'm most.

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on.

anna:

Gosh, that was such a great chat.

phoebe:

That was such a good chat. We recorded it last night and I actually was thinking about it so much today.

anna:

Yeah, me too. I really wanna go on a run with Izzy. Yeah. Discuss more, discuss further.

phoebe:

More to chat

anna:

a little mic on. okay. So as we mentioned in the introduction, it is that time of the month. Yes. And we are gonna check in on our goals as you should all be two. Yeah. So turn, look at your friends or look in the mirror.

phoebe:

people

anna:

are you going? Okay, so your word of the year was respect. So how do you reckon you're going? Are you embodying that word at the moment?

phoebe:

I think I'm nailing the word at the moment. No. I think because over the last month, as listeners will know, I had a little niggle Yes. And I had to manage that niggle. Yeah. And I, come Good. I'm completely, I haven't felt anything of like a week now. Yeah. Like, I think it's just totally done. Yeah. And there are definitely times where that niggle would've been left. To develop into a big niggle, into an injury. And I am very proud that I listened, stopped, respected myself, my body. Yeah, the sport. so at a high level, whilst we'll go into the key kind of areas and there's still plenty of room for improvement, high level running word of the year with respect, I think I'm giving it a lot of respect right now.

anna:

Yeah. Girl. Girl.

phoebe:

girl. Good girl. What about, your word was resilience.

anna:

I think there is, I would say a quick summation of this month. Definitely a lot of room to improve. I don't think I would use the word thrive to describe

phoebe:

of the year.

anna:

the last 30 days. but yes. Keen to, chat more through, what I am going to try and do for the next month to hopefully have a better reflection next time.

phoebe:

But I also don't think not thriving doesn't mean that you've been resilient.'cause obviously being resilient can help you thrive, but you can also be resilient and still not be necessarily thriving. Thriving.

anna:

Yes, that's true. That's true. Yeah. How

phoebe:

would you say your mindset is right now? Um,

anna:

I would say it's okay. I feel like a little bit up and down. but I think I like the idea of trying to be resilient, but sometimes it's hard to be, yeah. Does that make sense? Absolutely. Mm.

phoebe:

What, does day to day resilience look like for you at the moment? What are you using to help try and maintain that resilience?

anna:

trying to find a little bit of joy in the little things. Yeah. So having a cup of coffee or Even if I'm not doing a session or whatever, like coming and seeing everyone afterwards. I also, I was actually just speaking with a friend before and I was saying that don't really feel like doing things, but then when I do it, I feel way better. Yeah. So I feel like almost just gotta like. Push through that initial barrier kind of thing. I also, as Izzy was saying though, I really am excited to download the app Healthy Minds and just use it when I'm walking or when I'm doing a little bit of a, mindless task and have that capacity to concentrate on something else. Because as she was saying, it's obviously, active meditation and I am really keen to try that because I feel like. Sedative meditation. sedative. sed meditation. No, SED. I was like, hang on a

phoebe:

she's sedating herself and meditating.

anna:

Sedentary meditation I find tricky because my mind's either racing or I'm asleep. Yeah. And I can't, and I know that that's just practice, but I, I really struggle with that and as soon as I'm lying down, I fall asleep kind of thing. Yeah. So I feel like I struggle to get into that state. So I'm hoping that maybe the, active meditation Yeah. Um, can

phoebe:

like we, I feel like in the podcast we often talk about tools in your toolkit and like meditation would just be another good

anna:

Yeah. It'd be nice. Yeah, okay, so back to you on a little bit of a bright note. how's your sleep going? Maybe not such a bright note.

phoebe:

No. Yeah. Bright notes. So what I realized is that last time on the pod I was looking at my yearly average. Yeah. which is good. Like I want my yearly average to be above seven hours, but what's probably more useful month to month is look at my monthly average. Yeah, definitely. And so, my monthly average is seven hours and seven minutes.

anna:

So you're in the clear by seven

phoebe:

best month. Yeah. And then my

anna:

That's so good, because I was gonna say, I feel like last month you were just shy of seven hours, weren't

phoebe:

I think I was, no, no. Last month we looked at the year I was like 6,000, 51 minutes or

anna:

Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah.

phoebe:

um, now my yearly average has gone up to 6,054

anna:

It's so good.

phoebe:

So it's trending pretty well.

anna:

you've got what, nine months? Yeah. Yeah.

phoebe:

I feel good about it. Like even the fact that I'm seven hours and seven minutes this month has given me confidence that I can hit the seven hours.

anna:

Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah,

phoebe:

Yeah. You're like, that's not, yeah,

anna:

no, you definitely can. I am here for it. You know what? I even reckon it would be such a like Christmas treat if in December you got up to like nearly eight hours for the month.

phoebe:

Oh my gosh.

anna:

not gonna happen.

phoebe:

eight hours. No.

anna:

Maybe that can be a more like August thing.

phoebe:

Oh, why, uh,

anna:

I just feel like December's a busy month, whereas like you're probably better off trying to do, I dunno, I feel like it's a bit of a nothing

phoebe:

No. Fair enough. I

anna:

sorry to everyone who has birthdays in August. I know it's a great month.

phoebe:

Um,

anna:

Alright, so another goal of yours was strength once a week, which I know you highlighted before you have been doing'cause you're feeling very good during your track sessions.

phoebe:

been, I'm happy to say I haven't missed a single week. Woohoo. Which is very exciting. Even some weeks, when I had a race, well, when I thought I had a race last week, I've been moving it to a different day so that I can make sure I fit it in. I've been really prioritizing it. Even if it's some lots of weeks. It's just been 20 minutes. but I'm getting it done.

anna:

Yeah. Yeah.

phoebe:

Yeah.

anna:

Another go girl.

phoebe:

Good girl. let's talk about meal prep. How has your meal prep been

anna:

Well, once again,

phoebe:

have you been using Fair Feet?

anna:

Yeah. So shout out to Fair Feet. I even reckon I'm gonna link it in the show notes because I feel like this is a small business that just people need to get around. It is so delicious. the bang for your buck is just great. Like I know. Sorry, it's only for people living in Melbourne. Um, you can, you can pick it up in St. Kilda or you can get it delivered for$10 and I am loving it. It honestly has taken the stress out of all nighttime. Like I'm just like, even tonight, well, Dave's making dinner.

phoebe:

Yeah.

anna:

I mean, he's heating up fair feet, but it's just, yeah, it's so nice and I really like having different tastes. In saying that though, I never thought I was much of a chef, but I actually do miss cooking a little bit. Yeah. Weirdly. Yeah. So I don't think I'm gonna do it next week'cause I actually wanna cook. I, I don't know, it's almost having that time and space to just do something that's, you are enjoying the product of it You're not like under pressure or anything.

phoebe:

Lots of people get

anna:

Yeah. Which I never thought I did, but here we are.

phoebe:

I, I still can if I had like an hour of spare time, I couldn't think of anything. At least rather do than cook.

anna:

I'm saying this, I'll do it for a week and be like

phoebe:

yeah. Then you'd be ready to

anna:

Yeah. Yeah. you know what though? I was thinking I really think you should try it'cause I should try it. Oh,

phoebe:

Oh, I tried it for a week. Yeah. Really? Yeah. It was good. One of the meals, one of the meals I didn't love.

anna:

Okay. What was that past the ver, oh, I can't have that. So I don't know.

phoebe:

Yeah, it was just there actually wasn't much pasta and there was a lot of vegetables, which is fine. I like vegetables. The vegetables were like, so not cooked. They were almost crunchy. Oh, what? Yeah, it was like raw zucchini. I don't know. It just ended up also the ver, you know what it is? Pasta verde. It looks like pesto pasta. So you want it to taste

anna:

pasta. Oh, but it's not,

phoebe:

not. It doesn't, it just tastes like, kind of tastes like herbs.

anna:

how's the rest of your meal prep going?

phoebe:

pretty good. I'm gonna say pretty good, especially I've been really good with my breakfasts. I've been doing some more prepping my breakfast. I've tried to be learning how to make cheer pudding nice. And, I've been having protein and creatine. Yeah. Or even lunches. I've been just that little bit more organized Even if it's just bringing stuff in to make rice paper rolls at work. Yeah. And I can

anna:

just have the stuff,

phoebe:

the stuff.'cause otherwise I'll just walk and grab something at lunch, which often isn't big enough or doesn't have enough nutritious value or, yeah. So, I'm pretty happy. I am gonna lean more into the fair feed'cause I keep missing the.

anna:

oh yeah, yeah. You need to order like a week in advance or something.

phoebe:

the final like kind of key area or, process that we wanted to be implementing was more daytime recovery. How is that going for you?

anna:

I feel like I have been pretty good at this. Yeah. Well, I mean, I've done it for a couple weeks now, but I feel like Dave and I keep trying to schedule in a couple of hours most of the time on a Sunday, more so morning, and we, go and get a coffee or go and get breakfast or something or like brunch or lunch and we do the quiz and we

phoebe:

Oh, that's so nice.

anna:

really nice. I really like it. Yeah. Yeah, I know. I wanna keep it, I say tradition, we've done it a few times, but I really wanna keep it going. I wanna make it a tradition. That's okay. Um, what about you?

phoebe:

I think, I reckon this is my weak area at the moment. Yeah, I think I'm really struggling with this. I mean, I just showed you my aura data and over the last three days it says I've had zero minutes which just means, I mean, it's not obviously perfectly accurate, but I do, feel this from the moment I wake up to the moment I fall asleep. I am. Yeah. I don't have a minute where I'm just chilling. it's like I get home and I work more or I do cheeky stuff and then I try and clean up and do things and then try and go to bed and I, I, you know what? I've been noticing in my sleep, I keep waking up quite early in the morning and then not really being able to get back to sleep. And I think that happens in my mind is like quite active. Oh. Like we spoke about the other

anna:

Yeah, with the, yeah. Yeah.

phoebe:

So I think it comes, the podcast, end of season comes at a good time. I feel like it's always like this end of the season that everything gets so hectic. Yeah. We're trying to, yeah, keep planning everything, get partnerships, self some emotion, and it all gets a lot. And then it's really nice to have a couple weeks to like reset restrategize, replan, get back on top of things. Yeah. Think I'm ready for that. Yay.

anna:

Yay. Well, on that note, on

phoebe:

note, on that note,

anna:

goodbye

phoebe:

Oh, we'll miss, we'll miss you for the next few weeks, listeners. We'll be back later in April. And if you have enjoyed this season, yes. As much as we have, give us a, like

anna:

subscribe.

phoebe:

give us a subscribe. Tell your friends about

anna:

Yeah. Share it with a friend or a family member that, that you think would benefit maybe from listening to us.

phoebe:

put a lot of love and care into it,

anna:

Yeah, no, we do. Alright, let's wrap this up. Alright, Thanks for listening. Bye.

phoebe:

don't. And hello. Listen,

anna:

I just realized I didn't write the hellos in sauce. Trying to do it quickly.

phoebe:

Anna didn't write the copy, paste the usual intro in and she missed. I actually noticed as I was reading, welcome to Cheeky RO Club. It didn't say Hello Anna for a second. I was like, what do I

anna:

what do I say?

phoebe:

then I was like, you've got this.

anna:

You can do it

phoebe:

You're like quickly trying to type it in.