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Road to baby part two

• Anna Coldham

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Good morning! 

This week, we continue the Road to Baby series, after Anna opened up about her struggles with infertility in the last episode. Listen to that chat here before listening to today's episode. We discuss Anna’s first pregnancy, her hopefulness and anxiety for this new journey, and eventually finding out the pregnancy wasn’t viable.

We end today's episode on a lighter note, as Anna shares what her cheeky girls' first scan was like, before diving into a juicy fact-checking of runners' PB times on Instagram!

We understand this episode may be difficult for some of you, and if this is you, please know that you're not alone, and our hearts go out to you. If you or anyone you know is struggling with what we spoke about, please seek support through Pink Elephants or Lifeline. Our Instagram DM's are also always open.

 

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Music produced by Hugh Raper & logo design by Michael Cotellessa. Podcast edited by Kiara Martin.

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Hello. Hi. We just wanted to say, before we start that we had issues with our audio, so it is a little bit echoy at times. we are so, so, so sorry. As we know, it just doesn't make the whole experience quite as good. But we hope you enjoy the conversation and you'll hear why we. Obviously rerecord. Oh,

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Oh, it, it wasn't the kind of episode that you could do a second time. Yeah. so yes, we are really sorry. We'll get better

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Please forgive

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doing this. It's really hard. It shouldn't be this hard. Um, but yes, we really hope you enjoy it regardless. Sorry for the echo. Try and just tune it out and tune in to the words and the essence of what we're saying.

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episode. Welcome to Cheeky Run Club, Welcome to Cheeky Run Club, social running podcast and your runner. Hello, Emma.

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Hello, Phoebe.

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hello listeners.

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are diving into the second part of my Road Baby story, which us from the start of first pregnancy the start of my current. we're also

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sneak in rundown at end controversial

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page that has few with the goal calling out people particularly

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main lie about

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race

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Before

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do

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all of that though, kick off always our notable runs of the week. Phoebe,

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give your

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best.

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my best the week was track session Tuesday. Yeah.

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although

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I wanna, I feel run this week I've enjoyed

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was

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before that's like,

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really I've really struggled

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to a run of the week.'cause there were so many I was like, that was really good.

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but

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my track session on Tuesday, was a session that

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never done before, which really loved. was basically broken Yeah.

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so broken anyone know anything is basically just break into different

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speeds.

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Yeah. So I'd run a mile continuously, but breaking different So it would 400 effort, 200 meter jog, 400 effort, meter float, meter effort, and three recovery

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the next

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Oh of Yeah.

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And the that would

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be hard Yeah, it was, but it was so much recovery. And the speed changes actually kept

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it

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Yeah. I was just always focused the next, yeah,

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time like, okay, I've three, hundreds do.

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Exactly. the difference in JO on float,

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was quite

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of rolled each other. It went really quickly. And

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I was a

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of

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friends,

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including Sean, and I know last week I spoke about how Sean dropped on a and he was

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dropping me most this session. But last

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rep,

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it's funny'cause

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he so could care less faster out

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the door. Yeah.

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Um course doesn't because he's course he No. So yeah, last rep, he was quite, I

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wanna it was

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15, 20 meters ahead I feeling

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really

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I

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was

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actually the best side. I session since marathon. Nice.

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Nice.

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Yeah. Which was really nice. and I was like

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I

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I'm gaining

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on him. And the float

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was just, was just jogging the float. He wasn't floating the float. Oh.

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I should explain, A float

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like somewhere almost between jog and

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effort. Like it's a bit

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a comfortably. Like still should recovering Yeah. On float

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than an effort, faster than job than job. Yeah. And I was catching him and then we started last 400 I was maybe 10 behind and I was

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Go, go, go, go. And caught up with maybe like meters go and I was like, know, when your breath

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so don't hear you,

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coming.

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God.

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I was like, then I sprinted past everything I had so that like he try

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and like keep up,

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which he didn't.

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But

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then I

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so

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gassed my last like 150 meters I was like, I

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can't slow down, but I like, nearly

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Oh like not

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but you just like,

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finish

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like

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yeah, you're absolutely

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absolutely of course. but it was the fastest 400 the day session and yeah. yeah, it was really fun and just big brightness to get

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a W

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Sean. Oh yeah. You it.

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Um, what round of mine was this morning. I hoping Yeah, I was actually hoping you take

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it. so are, it's

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it's

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Saturday we

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are up Sydney for of our friend leash, our London correspond. Wedding, which is on why why

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why don't you set scene we are right now Okay. So,

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gosh, we had morning. It honestly been a treat. almost if could write ideal morning Yeah. Ted here, then it would

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be Yeah, of course. Yeah. Oh gosh. And Sean,

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course. for

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me, never we're

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a little

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Airbnb

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in Veli, quite close the beach, and it's small apartment. It's literally got everything. It's got the got the works from random. But so got then uh, went to Bay, which I believe around Bal main area of

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your first bay run? Yeah I've never been there before it's flat

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as a it Albert Park Lake

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bit. Oh you know

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you of see yourself different, you kind of see where you're going. Yeah. and I feel like we picking people

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people

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Yeah. But I we with 10, Yeah. In Big group. Yeah. so, and everyone just high spirits

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Oh,

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she's just the, she's the ball of energy positivity. You never actually a bad around

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that though couldn't. and

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obviously married tomorrow. Vibes are high. She's from London. It so fun. was also I've run in, I don't know

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how long. so since

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first to London, I it would've been. Yeah. Yeah. was that? late July

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year. Huge. Huge

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Huge Actually. Sorry. No, I Oh, did 15 k. No, no. Yeah. No, Yeah, yeah, we got 16 Ks this morning. Yeah. So,

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yeah.

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That's, that's, last That wild. And we were hoping along. it was I bit nervous at start

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our first kilometer was

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4 or joined in with group

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they were just steaming and both just like. Okay.

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is like, oh

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gosh. everyone chilled out Yeah

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Everyone chilled. Yeah, everyone chilled out a little bit. but it was so, so lovely. Then we just chatting, went to

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a playground afterwards for

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afterwards for little bit,

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bit

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and then came to our Airbnb. some just went down for a dip at Veli.

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have

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back, No, we're on the couch. We

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down, down with months of

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pepper

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tea, Love of Now we're sitting on couch, still bit More, more tea.

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Yeah. Living the

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Yeah. It's pretty nice. And

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so morning the Oh, about, your, worst?

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Well, yeah, as I said, I really strongly pick worst run,

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which

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I'm happy about that. feel for

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long time I've had

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lot, I've bad runs. But I would I

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a session Friday,

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I was telling about Bravely. I did by 200 meters.

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And increasing

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So this is a real 5K sessions, 5K territory. off the five, had 32nd recovery,

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every five,

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I add 32nd recovery. So then it a minute, 90 seconds and the last five minutes

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for

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each

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200 meters.

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So what that meant the 200 meters I was sprinting I sprinting it's such a different, so

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different. my

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like is going Everything

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was a little bit

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and I telling like really fun. I really, really enjoyed it,

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I just felt like

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unco almost. Yeah. I'm, that yesterday. I like quite sore

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Like saying chatting I saying, gosh, would be hard to concentrate to actually make sure sprinting each

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Yeah. 300 What I found really helpful is ended up thinking first a meters,

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I pretty much focused

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my arms Yeah. Then next 50 meters focus on my knee

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drive,

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kind I'd noticed that what get tired. Yeah. the last 50

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tried to focus on

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my core. Oh, okay. Because

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would

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like moving around just stay strong. so that was actually the was when I started just like different cues to focus on. Yeah. But it was so good. Like I was like, oh my God, I so see how if I that all the

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time yeah. I would way Yeah, yeah. Yeah

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good, I mean, that's a pretty

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good run.

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That's a good, bad Mm-hmm. Yeah. Um, what about What your

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worst.

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mine?

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I hurt my back late week. on Friday sort of got I went, I know now. went I a gym session morning and then I felt at work on the Friday and then kind got worse then we,

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because we went

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and

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in the car

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for couple right. And I out of the car was Stiff. I, Dave like asking, he was like are not, not Yeah. was just I feel some back or So then the of that

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was a

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few days. having a bad back is it's just not a vibe.

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so deliberating.

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yeah, like were out Saturday, went for and whatnot, and there's lot of around and then every time stood up like. Holy yeah, I am. So yeah, is like quite painful. then I like, of just start lying horizontally and then,'cause I wasn't sure, I hadn't I wasn't sure

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was gym or a pregnancy

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thing. And I kind of in my head catastrophizing things and being like, oh God, this is, yeah, this the

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end.

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anyway, when started loosen a little bit, so I had couple days off, then for a little job Tuesday actually felt way better after jogging. And then it's just progressively

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better since then. Yeah. I remember you movement was like helping Yeah.

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It's

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really, that's so

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strange.'cause. sort of, feel so debilitating, but only way feels a bit better is if move.

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Yeah.

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know, how something like

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Oh

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oh, ling need isolate this. I'm rested. I everything's need

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just get

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blood Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, I've felt like of of wood than I usually do this week. but feeling I'm feeling

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Yeah. just did longest run.

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Oh, I say ever. Ever. Um, yes. So here's to healthy bags. it.

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Okay.

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we update everyone on the two community runs that we have in works

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at the

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First Yeah.

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we absolutely should. We'll talk about

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the Clinique,

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that we've got coming up. It Is Friday. If, listening on the Monday this. released. So that's of November. And as you might week, a Earth

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clinic

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is incredibly exciting. They are such such, such cool and as part of it, they're giving

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away

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little bags. with, I actually, we've the products are going and they're really little I little,

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like actually decent sized moisturizer

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of this, the surge, auto replenishing hydrator, and then also a lip balm, which is really nice as well. Mm-hmm. we're very excited putting them in bags and giving out day. Um, what

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else gonna so we are meeting who are going to

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putting

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on some coffee and pastries. Mm-hmm. which is a hit. It in Creon, easy access city or Richmond

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if you work there

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afterwards. We'll getting going at

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six

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30. Yeah. it'll a 30 minute run walk. same as all No one's too fast or slow. there'll definitely be walking group. there's space to, your like, mentioned us, something about like, could I

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my

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like

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force? You

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can your bike up. Like there'll be around It'll be fine. It'll chill what

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I feel well, I'm the gun a little bit'cause gonna talk about track nights in moment. But of things that

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learned from the track

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nights survey. Is

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ask everyone they

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running events everyone says the same thing, like, I just feel I've got a community. I wanna running friends, I

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wanna who

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or you have just like get around the community. are a lot people who into

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themselves

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who don't know anyone that is

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super common all events.

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don't intimidated. Come along, hello. absolutely to see

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that Yeah. our last event before Chrissy.

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So

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dunno, feel like some some some coffee, lip bum a great way to start the

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season. Yeah,

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doing okay, so cheeky track nights.

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yeah, give a update

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track nights Yeah

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the survey, well, we're recording Saturday. The survey

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is close Sunday.

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Might actually keep open a

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for any,

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just light comers. Yeah. one thing will say is

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it's expression interest

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because we have had so

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much interest, a few cities.

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We'll offer first spots fill out the form. exactly. So out the

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form

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and that means

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you gonna be, the

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to an email saying, Hey, it's And then if are left, once we've offered it to all you, we'll then open to public. Yeah, But so put name down it's something that you might be

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part. of.

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And please, us There so much wonderful feedback form that is really shape how we want

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events And

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and

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excited for It will honestly

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so

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also, thank you so much everyone who has already completed The and also just for a lot of have taken the to answer the questions.

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Oh. properly, almost

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thoroughly I'm To point where oh gosh, so generous of to their actually fill this in. So you very Thank you. And keep

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coming. We

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So yeah. What, this 5:00 AM on Monday. So it'll only be open what, 12, Yeah.

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do you I drop it at 4:00 when I let's jump the main for the which, as

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you at

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start, we're be about, kind

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of

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different parts.

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this the middle is

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we'll pick up we last week, which is just after pregnant for first time. And then we're talk through whole

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world from getting point to point case is

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falling pregnant. time

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mm-hmm.

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Where you are

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are now. Yeah.

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before we start, should we just I feel we should thank to

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who Oh, a huge thank you to anyone and everyone that has reached out to both us or

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just I've been overwhelmed. I

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think I've to you

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people are nice

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so generous their

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stories. That's what is

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what's

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blown me

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away. Yeah. I feel like we've messaged other quite

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few

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times this week while we're at work. being like, oh, I'm in tears again by reading another person's story. so feel like it's really, there's something quite,

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it's almost, it's

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in to kind of like Stories

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struggles hope.

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and thank you so to Yeah.

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to

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every, every single person who's reached out,

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we

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have like, yeah. Honestly been

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absolutely overwhelmed amazed

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Yeah. I say like for

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like Sunday night nervous. we So So Yeah. then has so happy to see many have written and

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almost

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not valid your choice to share, but you've basically been to see impact like share things and open

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open up, how can feel

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they can open as well. And feel like it's like now coming recording this, it's like,

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okay,

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know supportive

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and

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also

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also

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have such similar

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experiences.

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yeah.

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like it was one thing releasing the podcast and then on Instagram as well. I was so.

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was,

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I remember before posted it, I was like, my were shaking. was so, I can't actually pinpoint what it was, but it just, it made seem more by kind

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hitting share 100 is.

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And

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feel like that

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night kind of was riddled a

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a

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I don't I was just nervous that whole night. then reckon literally Tuesday at 10:00 AM I had of my kind worries completely And I

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was like, so

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glad I

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that. Yeah. Well true you're right, you'd been your friends and for

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while

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and, there is something different and very, like

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once

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out there in

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the world Yeah.

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can't it back. back Yeah.

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And I think especially because of your experience,

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we're

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obviously start

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talking today, you did a lot of stress about.

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Mm Almost not

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it, but yeah,

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Oh,

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sure.

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Well I think said to you before, like, I continue about'cause I'm worried that will jinx

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Yeah. yeah, but it's

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been, it's been so nice and also been, why I wanted share is as I think I've, I last week is to, know, give to who is struggling at the moment, but also sort of like make people feel, a little more seen.'cause it is a lonely and sort of place in when you are in the thick of it all. even just by one person of saying this been really comforting to hear, that's like

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my done.

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Yeah. And

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you less lonely well. Yeah, for sure. like, it's like even though

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you

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know, being share with friends.

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Like, you

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it's

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not hearing stories from people, whereas almost when you hear them it's

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oh, there's, it's almost like

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there's group

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people going through together. It's

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It's almost this sort

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yeah.

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invisible community in a sense. Yeah. nice way to Mm-hmm.

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So, so,

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where where do

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start Well, I feel like, last time

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of with

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you and dinner Yeah

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So we got the test. Yeah. So we found I pregnant Wednesday

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and then

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got the blood test back on. Friday. I went and bought the barracks for like a FL So then went and bought a little Blues baby onesie. cause I then didn't tell him that it, I mean like, he obviously already

audo from video of phoebe:

I

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by it, like, hadn't sort phoned him to say the blood has back and it's confirmed. And just had I gave him those when he got home,

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was

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so nice. And then, yeah, we went for

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hamburgers

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on the Saturday night.

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Yeah.

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And,

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and

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how, were

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were feeling?

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at that stage? Um, I think I obviously always not, well not obviously, or always, but then like did have some nerves around it, but speaking think I

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was

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feeling I,

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I I

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okay. Yeah. and then

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is

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long, so you. You well you can. cause we, have private health insurance, which, I'm very grateful for, for this like experience. but you can book into, get a, scan at around like weeks and three-ish days. Mm-hmm. that's when they can detect a, quotation mark, heartbeat. I quotation marks because at heart is forming. but goes from being two tube-like structures that bend and loop around to form the heart. then at about weeks there's just mini heart

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of

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thing. So, but at at around

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weeks

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and three days, the muscle

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contract

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and can

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Pick up. Yeah. But the,

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this, learn this

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this experience, but six weeks is actually Like Two weeks

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of knowing that pregnant. Two weeks Yeah. And four of

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actually being pregnant. Yeah.

anna audio road to bebe:

pregnancy goes from, the first day of your last Well, pregnancy doesn't go

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that, but like that's how call the week. Well sorry.

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Yeah. what, yeah.

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said.

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Yes. your, for instance, when, I'll be 24 weeks podcast comes out Monday, that goes, that counted from

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weeks.

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period my the last Yeah. just like confused,

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why do do that

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a

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a

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bit confusing. Yeah.

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mean, it because I

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pregnancy kind difficult, so

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it

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is kind nice that you

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get

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a little

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head start. Yeah. then six weeks. this only after, yeah, two after

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And

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And only yeah, a week a half the blood test sort

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thing. Yeah. So, so that your next Yeah. So that was scan that had booked

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in

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and was, I found in couple days leading to I was nervous.

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And how, actually, before get the scan, what were

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noticing

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how you felt? Like, did you

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different? my boobs were really sore. Okay. And also growing.

audo from video of phoebe:

Yep.

anna audio road to bebe:

Yeah. But aside that, I didn't really much different. that was on a Friday afternoon and and just because of the, hormone treatment and everything being sort of so the book, knew exactly when the ovulation occurred, so

audo from video of phoebe:

we of

anna audio road to bebe:

a. comparison to someone who's doing it completely naturally and

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unassisted, I guess. Yeah. we

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are a lot more informed about, know, when exactly I ovulate'em, like that kind

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stuff. Yeah. So

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of far along should be. and that scan was couple of days, behind and then, um, because that, they couldn't actually pick

audo from video of phoebe:

up

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yet. Yeah. so that was obviously like disappointing. And he said come back time next Yep. And we'll it again and see. happening from there. and that week, I remember went down to Port Ferry for the like port ferry fun run that Yeah. And

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the drive down, that was just, that

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week was

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so nerve wracking. I

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feel like I was trying to, to every single thing that my body was telling me, and

audo from video of phoebe:

I'm

anna audio road to bebe:

like hoping like so much the neck scan is kind of gonna different, also like something you

audo from video of phoebe:

have literally control over. Yeah. and just,

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kind Yeah. It's it, was a really strange waking game. And that stage we hadn't actually, we hadn't told anyone.

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Yeah. I remember I

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remember a

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have maybe before you

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to

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Ferry

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or maybe just

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back you me. remember how

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you were torn

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Excitement fear.

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Mm. And you wanna myself you you like, I

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can't let myself feel happy. No cause I'm so scared.

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Yeah. almost wanna

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let yourself And it was such a sad, so sad

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on the one hand knew had

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and how happy would've been.

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been

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But then I also

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didn't be

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this is amazing cause you were

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like,

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I there. I'm not ready. This is still very much

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a kind of thing. Or yeah. Or were, but you still hopeful. Like, I was so Yeah. It was much

audo from video of phoebe:

should be

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okay. Yeah

audo from video of phoebe:

you know, definitely to keep an

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eye on this,

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but maybe got the

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dates a

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wrong. Yeah, yeah. Which

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Yeah. Which, I remember obstetrician saying. Um. cautiously optimistic.

audo from video of phoebe:

right. Yeah. He kept

anna audio road to bebe:

we're optimistic, blah, and then, so that week to go for a very, was a very long week. And we back, and then it had grown. There a Yeah. I remember just being,

audo from video of phoebe:

so,

anna audio road to bebe:

remember just leaving the crying.'cause I was kind of beside myself I was you you're like holding so much in and just my gosh. then all of a sudden I oh, like,

audo from video of phoebe:

yeah, it's, it's Yeah.

anna audio road to bebe:

Yeah. that was really cool. And then, up telling, up my f

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my

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family was all in Melbourne, with my brother and sister-in-law stuff that week. And we went

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dinner.

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So we them, then randomly well, sister-in-law was over from London she was actually staying with

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And then

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so we family dinner. with Dave's Yeah.

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And

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told them well. that's right, the obstetrician said like, you can in again week, just to like keep cause I mean, he wouldn't have

audo from video of phoebe:

taken it wouldn't taken to

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realize I was

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anxious. is them picking up

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or? Yeah.

audo from video of phoebe:

Something is

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me. Anyway, so were booked in another scan, that would've been like eight weeks. and it so vividly now thinking back,

audo from video of phoebe:

like,

anna audio road to bebe:

oh so naive.

audo from video of phoebe:

Yeah

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but I, that scan wasn't lunchtime. And I saying work, oh, got an appointment, but I'll be back in

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hour

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and like my bag there. I was like of confident that everything just. Be fine. and then we got there. this stage there's, there's still, internal ultrasounds. Mm-hmm. Um, kind of up until, gosh, did have, remember the first time having a, belly ultrasound.'cause like went to take my

audo from video of phoebe:

pants off and

anna audio road to bebe:

oh no, don't need to do that.

audo from video of phoebe:

yeah, up until

anna audio road to bebe:

about like

audo from video of phoebe:

you're like, no, just

anna audio road to bebe:

prefer, yeah. Up until, I don't know what it is. Maybe like 12 weeks or something. yeah, all internal anyway. And as soon as like the probe went in, because can within few that you can see. Um, and just looked exactly the same as it had the week before. and then

audo from video of phoebe:

the

anna audio road to bebe:

obs

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like

anna audio road to bebe:

so, honestly, he's so nice really, really, he must have. would really tough conversations with people. Um, but then I kind and then couldn't see any like, pulsing that I could, could,

audo from video of phoebe:

see

anna audio road to bebe:

the week before.

audo from video of phoebe:

and

anna audio road to bebe:

just looked the same as what it did. Yeah. then he, it is, it's, I feel like like little bit a gray area

audo from video of phoebe:

I

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feel like

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bit of a blur.

anna audio road to bebe:

Yeah. It was a little bit

audo from video of phoebe:

a blur.

anna audio road to bebe:

but essentially was like, it hasn't progressed all. and I, I can't actually, yeah. I don't know was, don't know there any like, beat at all or if was just really, really slow. Mm-hmm But was essentially the pregnancy wasn't viable. and then

audo from video of phoebe:

I

anna audio road to bebe:

remember then and then sitting at his desk he was like telling us like what all the options were. I yeah, felt like was just kind

audo from video of phoebe:

spiraling.

anna audio road to bebe:

was so strange. he was, yeah, he really nice it. He sort of said like, just don't even worry about going to the front Like, go But so what were options and his,

audo from video of phoebe:

Yeah,

anna audio road to bebe:

Yeah, so what had was missed miscarriage, means that it's only really, don't bleed like don't have or but the pregnancy sort of lost, guess, and only up with the next scan. so, which in I'm so that I actually was having those scans.'cause in

audo from video of phoebe:

my

anna audio road to bebe:

head I thought as it was, imagine waiting another.

audo from video of phoebe:

Like

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Four weeks. Yeah. And I

audo from video of phoebe:

like

anna audio road to bebe:

the opportunity to know earlier, but you just didn't, so

audo from video of phoebe:

it

anna audio road to bebe:

just, that just, yeah, like my heart, sleep goes out to anyone who, who don't know, those can just

audo from video of phoebe:

be

anna audio road to bebe:

so

audo from video of phoebe:

essentially,

anna audio road to bebe:

he gave couple of options. he gave us option to have a DNC procedure, which is quite common procedure. that anesthetic and, your cervix is and they kind of get all of the pregnancy tissue, and It's best option terms being able find out what's going, what's happened, can obviously so you didn't this stage why? did So they, can obviously take tissue and then test it t uh, chromosomal abnormalities to try get an explanation the loss. Oh. which I of, I just like the idea of

audo from video of phoebe:

able

anna audio road to bebe:

like I was kind like, get go, I feel like that. and then also as well, it, not a hundred percent, but like very likely they'll. able to get rid all pregnancy tissue. your recovery and ah, Your ability to kind

audo from video of phoebe:

you

anna audio road to bebe:

know, like start having And fertility reasons, like it's, more efficient, like efficient the option like medical management. So there drugs can

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take that

anna audio road to bebe:

induce a miscarriage.

audo from video of phoebe:

this is I guess it's,

anna audio road to bebe:

mean it's depends in what circumstances, but it's actually, good. Like you, nearly as the obviously without risks the procedure

audo from video of phoebe:

and needing

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an anesthetic.

audo from video of phoebe:

yeah.

anna audio road to bebe:

yeah but you still run the risk of being behind and

audo from video of phoebe:

needing a

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DNC

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later in Oh okay. And

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option is just wait

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see. Which

anna audio road to bebe:

of,

audo from video of phoebe:

to

anna audio road to bebe:

me, I just, I, know. I, I, I knew that it moving forward, I of, had this feeling. kind of just wanted it to, yeah. Like I didn't wanna keep onto it

audo from video of phoebe:

a sense.

anna audio road to bebe:

Yeah. Um, and often, it takes longer, like time-wise and 10 to 20% you have about a 10 to 20% chance well, needing further procedures. so opted the DNC procedure. Mm-hmm. Um,'cause we, and as well, they, I they encourage that you've had a

audo from video of phoebe:

few miscarriages having

anna audio road to bebe:

fertility issues, so they test for chromosomal abnormalities and like reduce risk I know if are any, if there are any other, any stuff that might be, contributing it. They can. You can

audo from video of phoebe:

work

anna audio road to bebe:

around So that was booked I days later. think it was on

audo from video of phoebe:

Friday. Yeah. Yeah. Um, I,

anna audio road to bebe:

it was so strange'cause I went from like, oh, I want thing outta me

audo from video of phoebe:

then

anna audio road to bebe:

on the morning and in the hospital I had really strange complete 180 and I felt so, like, wanted it to stay. was so, it was strange. I'm like, once it's gone, like is it.

audo from video of phoebe:

But

anna audio road to bebe:

again, the, obstetrician, like, he was so about He, and I was like, was really emotional. Dave and I of sitting in the waiting and stuff,

audo from video of phoebe:

but I'm

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the

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one

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goes theater.

audo from video of phoebe:

And

anna audio road to bebe:

just being by myself then like the just coming in, I just got emotional. Um, and oxygen just held hand. Like, was so nice. Yeah.

audo from video of phoebe:

but

anna audio road to bebe:

yeah, it yeah, was,

audo from video of phoebe:

was, it

anna audio road to bebe:

was sort strange. waking, yeah. It it was

audo from video of phoebe:

bizarre.

anna audio road to bebe:

That just a, a time. Yeah yeah. What was

audo from video of phoebe:

that? I know hard time to ask that intermediary between finding getting procedure. Like

anna audio road to bebe:

what

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your like? I

anna audio road to bebe:

feel it was so frazzled. So as I before, our sister-in-law my sister-in-law was staying with us. And I I so like she's out from London visiting. Yeah. then.

audo from video of phoebe:

just

anna audio road to bebe:

got at home a, like, miserable mess. I remember she tried to, she like, okay, why don't go shopping or something? And I remember, so drove High Street, place in Melbourne sort of has a good few shops and couldn't, the life of me,

audo from video of phoebe:

there

anna audio road to bebe:

this parallel park I trying get into, and it an easy park. Like there so much space, and head

audo from video of phoebe:

must

anna audio road to bebe:

been completely like, off on another planet. tried about five or six times I just, I couldn't park the car.

audo from video of phoebe:

And

anna audio road to bebe:

then the point where she was like, okay, it's all right. Like,

audo from video of phoebe:

let's just

anna audio road to bebe:

get out. I'll, I'll, I can park

audo from video of phoebe:

car.

anna audio road to bebe:

Like, know, you just so

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about Yeah. I just

anna audio road to bebe:

couldn't do Like,

audo from video of phoebe:

can't

anna audio road to bebe:

I was just Yeah.

audo from video of phoebe:

I was just, yeah.

anna audio road to bebe:

but yeah, I, I honestly, it's like all, it's all a little bit of a I like I was so sad.

audo from video of phoebe:

Um. And then,

anna audio road to bebe:

kind of like

audo from video of phoebe:

around.'cause then obviously, I told my

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friends had happened. but I of sad for the fact hadn't them good news first.

audo from video of phoebe:

were

anna audio road to bebe:

only

audo from video of phoebe:

hearing

anna audio road to bebe:

about the bad and I know a lot wait about 12 or 13 weeks start telling people that's of, mean, not that you're ever in a safe, completely safe space, that's when you are in of the major danger zone of having miscarriage. but I,

audo from video of phoebe:

I

anna audio road to bebe:

don't know, it kind of made feel that almost makes it ha of almost harder when no one knows.

audo from video of phoebe:

I,

anna audio road to bebe:

me personally, like when something happens, I feel like I need the support those around me. and

audo from video of phoebe:

it

anna audio road to bebe:

me feel sad for who. You know, like miscarriage and like, hasn't really told and needs to go have

audo from video of phoebe:

procedure

anna audio road to bebe:

and everything and tell Like, you so isolated anyway. And then just remember having thought being like, wait, why? do people wait until, why do you wait until 12 or 13 weeks when

audo from video of phoebe:

it's,

anna audio road to bebe:

when something you really need to in corner gonna ask

audo from video of phoebe:

with that though,

anna audio road to bebe:

whether I as you talked your at

audo from video of phoebe:

six, seven would've seven Yeah And obviously like a really moment.

anna audio road to bebe:

and back to that

audo from video of phoebe:

we had about kind of wanting let get too excited, then also it was so to have point

anna audio road to bebe:

of

audo from video of phoebe:

yeah. glad you shared it? the

anna audio road to bebe:

the you did. Yeah, Yeah, yeah, I think because.

audo from video of phoebe:

It

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nice. mean,

audo from video of phoebe:

it short lived,

anna audio road to bebe:

just to have that Yeah. Joy a little bit and, we'll get to it later, but I, think people

audo from video of phoebe:

that

anna audio road to bebe:

you are pregnant for the first time,

audo from video of phoebe:

in

anna audio road to bebe:

comparison to after you've had a miscarriage you tell them again, a very different experience and even for, I'm for them, but even for

audo from video of phoebe:

yourself And even

anna audio road to bebe:

when you find out, because I feel like there's a lot of, there's a lot uncertainty, there's, there's that

audo from video of phoebe:

raw,

anna audio road to bebe:

just joy. Yeah. And lot of excitement even though Yeah. Like things never sort of set into, like you never really know what's gonna happen. but I found the comparison between. finding out were pregnant first time, but then also like telling family everything

audo from video of phoebe:

first time it

anna audio road to bebe:

was, it very like innocent and just really nice. I like telling the time, and I even telling you like acknowledging it Yeah. myself, I feel it, it's really been in the

audo from video of phoebe:

last few

anna audio road to bebe:

weeks that I've

audo from video of phoebe:

really

anna audio road to bebe:

been able kind of, enjoy

audo from video of phoebe:

a

anna audio road to bebe:

a sense.

audo from video of phoebe:

yeah

anna audio road to bebe:

Yeah. Because happening. Like I remember even my family's response

audo from video of phoebe:

second

anna audio road to bebe:

time and like both our family's response the second was like, okay, That's,

audo from video of phoebe:

good.

anna audio road to bebe:

And obviously they're like

audo from video of phoebe:

just

anna audio road to bebe:

as happy, but they're, you know, conf don't

audo from video of phoebe:

be like, yeah,

anna audio road to bebe:

don't wanna kind of Oh, Yeah. exactly. yeah, I am go to your question. Yeah. I'm really

audo from video of phoebe:

glad told them

anna audio road to bebe:

the first yeah. Yeah. Yeah, yeah,

audo from video of phoebe:

okay, had procedure,

anna audio road to bebe:

And then when did find out,

audo from video of phoebe:

you ever get

anna audio road to bebe:

a reason,

audo from video of phoebe:

um, for why it happened?

anna audio road to bebe:

Yeah. Yeah. So then

audo from video of phoebe:

had, which is of

anna audio road to bebe:

the I really glad

audo from video of phoebe:

that ended,

anna audio road to bebe:

up having a DNC procedure'cause found a chromosome

audo from video of phoebe:

abnormality.

anna audio road to bebe:

So,

audo from video of phoebe:

it

anna audio road to bebe:

was never like, wasn't meant to be of thing. Which is a common, it a common reason for miscarriages. Mm-hmm. I do

audo from video of phoebe:

wanna say there

anna audio road to bebe:

is, it is actually, it's quite interesting. So

audo from video of phoebe:

I think

anna audio road to bebe:

pregnancy there's like a 15 to 25% chance of miscarriage. each pregnancy of

audo from video of phoebe:

So

anna audio road to bebe:

you have a miscarriage the first time, still have a

audo from video of phoebe:

25%

anna audio road to bebe:

chance. Yeah. The next time. doesn't go down'cause had one already. but if you

audo from video of phoebe:

have two to

anna audio road to bebe:

miscarriages

audo from video of phoebe:

in a

anna audio road to bebe:

row, the of that continuing to happen often, increases'cause there's likely something

audo from video of phoebe:

going

anna audio road to bebe:

contribute it.

audo from video of phoebe:

Yeah,

anna audio road to bebe:

miscarriages are to the chromosomal factors which you have just absolutely

audo from video of phoebe:

no

anna audio road to bebe:

over.

audo from video of phoebe:

So it was nothing to

anna audio road to bebe:

with,

audo from video of phoebe:

obviously

anna audio road to bebe:

obviously been through these,

audo from video of phoebe:

injections

anna audio road to bebe:

and

audo from video of phoebe:

everything. Mm-hmm.

anna audio road to bebe:

It with

audo from video of phoebe:

any of

anna audio road to bebe:

process.

audo from video of phoebe:

Just

anna audio road to bebe:

No. was that reassuring. Yeah. Yeah, and also they, even they found something, least you can Sort

audo from video of phoebe:

out, to

anna audio road to bebe:

give a better chance the time. Yeah. I feel like would've been even like more anxiety inducing the time had I not had the DNC procedure and like known why happened. absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. how, when look back

audo from video of phoebe:

that baby now, like how

anna audio road to bebe:

do

audo from video of phoebe:

you

anna audio road to bebe:

think

audo from video of phoebe:

of it?

anna audio road to bebe:

feel, I feel It's funny because I knew the due date and everything. I found Sep'cause it was, it would've been born in September, around like grand final weekend. I have a moments where I kind of oh, like I'd

audo from video of phoebe:

be

anna audio road to bebe:

having kid around now. Yeah. but.

audo from video of phoebe:

I I don't know. I,

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don't I, there's this, there's thing called micro. I'm gonna butcher the pronunciation of this. Yeah. It's

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Fetal fetal

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Micro. and essentially, like

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presence

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of low level cells

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in a mother's body for years after pregnancy.

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So, and it happens

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like no matter

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how along you were in the pregnancy, means that kind like the thought that,

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he or she's

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like, the cells are sort still Yeah. In my a I know

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that

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like kind of but like a bit of a connection there. Yeah. Like obviously it's, it wasn't to be, and it, it didn't, didn't, But something I find comfort and sort a bit of safety

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knowing. They're

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they, like real.

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Yeah. Because I

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think the thing about miscarriages is it's, the, it's the ideas that you, idea of kid and all the, like, future that is of away

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me

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obviously it's, it's not actually born is like, of a strange you have all these, ideas of can happen or like, know, like a September baby, what will be happening in

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summer

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this stuff. Like, so the, the like loss of stuff that hasn't actually

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happened yet. Whole, it's strange

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life

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changes.

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Yeah. So, fact that, yeah idea that they're,

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fetal

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are of like swimming I don't know

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if

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the term, but like in your body for years pregnancy. I really, really like that. I found that quite, um, like cathartic in a sense. Okay. so

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the well talk us through aftermath of that how

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quickly

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were you able slash want get back into

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trying So, uh, straight away, think because it had already taken so long and my head I thought I'm, doesn't matter I'm trying or

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I'm

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gonna

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be sad

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either way. and I liked idea of feeling like I making, I was doing something it and like making some

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sort of

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So speaking, you like return to normal in inverted commas, normal cycles Within a week or so? Immediately Once all the pregnancy tissue gone. Yeah. Um,'cause your you, your like your hormone levels, once they come back down

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Yeah. Yeah. From

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From you kind of, start again. In a sense. So they, kind of tracked, would have a test every days after the procedure kind they were tracking in a, down

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trajectory. yeah, yeah, yeah.

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then once they kind got back to then could again. Yeah. Yeah. Which, I also, like

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some people

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DNC procedures have

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of

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bleeding and cramping and stuff. I was so lucky. I had bit cramping the day after then I was completely Fine. Yeah. Yeah.

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That's

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good. Um, I like I was body-wise, I was like really lucky with that. but yeah, then I, I feel like it probably for pregnancy hormone level to get down. then I, I think was maybe three or so

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weeks.

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Two or weeks after having the procedure, I the hormones. But we had good about whether not we actually wanted to Yeah. Restart. I think Dave was like very just wanted to make sure that

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because it was

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where like our head space and at, he just wanted make that that's actually what I wanted

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Yeah. but

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I was like, really to like, get back the Yeah. Bus,

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fertility bus. Yeah. Get the

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horse.

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Um

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and yeah. Talk us through following months. So continued to the

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Yes. how,

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yeah,

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was that process like month So

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I feel like we would've restarted,

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um,

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late Feb, early

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March.

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oh, so do with injections, I confused last week. I mean, made few last week. One, one of them being that said that I got married. Oh a year. yeah. Like 11 months I actually got married. Dave

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it a Dave,

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he was oh, good to know that, uh, you remember when we got married? And I was do mean? I was like, oh God. I said January. Anyway, so got married in December, 2023. Just wanna that. then also got confused between what I was injecting.

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So

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the first of weeks of a cycle, I was injecting follicular stimulating hormone, which. sort of By Yeah, yeah. it's literally stimulate,

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stimulating your to

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grow, then of them hopefully will drop an egg, which

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ovulation. And

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then in the second half of the cycle I was these HCG hormones, injection, sorry, which is HG also, the, it's the pregnancy hormone. So it's the human again butcher the human chorionic yeah. The reason why I was taking them in the second half

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is,

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which is quite common in in, struggling

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fertility

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IVF. it's in the like lute teal phase.

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It's, uh,

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it as lute teal support. it's kind of, is a pregnancy, is the body maintain the pregnancy. that makes

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sense. like it's still jury still out weather

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the like, effectiveness

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of it. Right.

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But I was happy to

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do

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to potentially better my chances

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falling pregnant. And so you feel like like back into things or feel like It

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harder? was so much harder. Yeah. found it really difficult and Like back now I think I said to off mic before, I feel like there have been like, quite few times this year I've looked back on now and they kind of almost gimme a bit of the shivers, I just, I know I really appreciated even at the like how shit feeling. Yeah. and I like thoughts that I that I about last week strange even though I one my colleagues saying oh, but like, least now you know, you can get pregnant. And just, I didn't feel like that all. that had been, was back to square one thinking again, oh my gosh, maybe it's just not for my body can't do it. isn't like a logical way to think obviously, but that's

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just

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like

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my head

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was and reckon as well the, hormones kind of, they do your mood

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and how feel and.

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your body.

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They're

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like not, they're just like not

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very

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nice. Yeah. they affect you felt? They, they made me super way more moody.

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and just

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feel I was way more sensitive to things. And again, who knows the correlation, like what was actually just me and like the

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hormones?

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I just feel like

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my

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brain and personality were just bit off. Um, I just feel like I didn't have the re same resilience I did like the first Yeah. And so every cycle I was like, my God, still not pregnant. Yeah. Yeah. what was where was running at at

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at stage? still three 30 minute minute runs?

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I, I was, for first I doing, yeah. The I had relaxed a little bit on it. I more doing

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like,

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three to four 40 minute

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runs. Yeah.

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post

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procedure well. You

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like.

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like

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I had a weekend I did like a 15 k I was just like, you're screw this.

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this. Yeah. I I remember river.

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And at. Joseph Yeah

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were so like, am

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doing a run everyone something It's

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stop me having

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run. Yeah. Yeah. yeah, I feel like I just I need this,

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like

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my own sanity. but then I kind got back the like three to four 30 to minute runs week. And then I actually got, then in May I actually got injured.

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Yeah.

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and so then I just completely stopped running. not by choice obviously. Yeah. so,

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um, that like, you feel like it linked to

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That was really strange. it was my hip. Tendon. It's what it, and then,'cause ended up having three months off. I was so confused by it because I hadn't been, I'd barely been running. I'm like, how still get Um, but I think was backed off the running and exercise I'd also completely backed off my strength work. Mm. I'm obviously quite prone to tendon issues I I just, I I have maintaining

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the gym Yeah.

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But I, my motivation for going to

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gym

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I like, can,

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I'm

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allowed to

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run

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a couple times

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a

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a week. for 30 minutes was just like beneath floor. Also, I um, I physio

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told you that injections.

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your

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a bit. Um,

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They saying they might've been bit more lax. A bit

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lax, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And

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then

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was

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a thing possibly a

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slower. Yes

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that's Actually, I, I remember Yeah, that's right. I feel like I've just seen so many bloody doctors this year. Yeah. But one of the, it was, it

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quite funny

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because obviously I'd like really reduced the intensity my runs. Yeah. I was just around everywhere.

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And

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your gait like the that you is different between you're running a little bit faster and when running

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bit Mm

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Mm-hmm. and I remember the doctors, one the key takeaways from his letter. Was, or like causes the, of the injury was running

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slow. Yeah.

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I, I remember just like, I can't

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win.

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I'm like, run far Like, I run hard. My hormones are I slow, and

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my

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hip's

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cooked Yeah. That

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a,

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tough

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Uh, Yeah. But yeah. that wasn't great. yeah. Yeah, I found that I found

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hard Yeah. Yeah. I feel like, back it, in my mind least, I was sort of like darkest.

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Mm Yeah. just think because you

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didn't, I don't know, it was like,

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like, still, like, just know Yeah. So easy back be like, oh, it was always

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out.

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at the about

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time the time. you

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know that no

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again,

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another month And. And I I remember going to. we the

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we

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to New to visit our old housemate, Georgie. And it was so much fun, and she's just best time ever. But I remember back and just thinking like, I feel

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my

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ability to enjoy things

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is

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not at the same level

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as

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it

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used be

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Like I

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really to

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have fun. Yeah.

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And have

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prolonged fun. Yeah.

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remember Yeah.

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You saying even like the moment.

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Mm your just zoom out and be oh remember

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in this

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position. Yeah. And you dunno and it's out your control.

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Yeah. It just, yeah. That was really, that was really a good time. Yeah. What you the thing you for your mental in that time was? that good Um,

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honestly, I,

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well, I was psych, which found quite helpful. And honestly, like to you, talking today, talking to. Family and friends, was like quite open about just the fact

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that

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I was struggling.

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and

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I feel like that

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to

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that really, really helped.

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And

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because like generally speaking, um, the past, like I've, I've bottled up a little bit and kind of struggled to like, speak about, just anything. Even like little bits of like conflict or something with a partner or whatever. but I feel like that really, really, yeah, helped me and that my only thing was I kind of felt bad I felt like I was always a bit of downer. but I like that really, really helps. Yeah. Oh, you are never down. Like think, yeah,

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when

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going through something like

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Like all you're watching it is just empathy

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and like admiration and just

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my You're still and I remember, I

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feel

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it's every

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week sit to record

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podcast, before we'd start talk two hours.

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Yeah. And like,

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it's so, say, it's so hard just to, for just be to

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enjoy your

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day or you every

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time. Something so

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focus

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on,

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okay what

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can I focus

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this week?

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Like,

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what's,

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the it? Um, and sort of strange I I've always been quite driven with my running and that time when I injured,'cause I sort

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of, you know, told to a step

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back. feel like motivation even exercise really waned. Yeah. Like, normally I'm injured, I'm really keen to pool, elliptical, like do all this stuff. I just, think,'cause back of my I wasn't if that was the right thing for me, like as a whole. Doesn't help

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cause I

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like then me

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personally, then

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the

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less I do, the kind grumpy In a

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In a sense.

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but you, Ted

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I Ted once again. Yeah Saved Ted. Yeah.

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I'm gonna

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long stretch of your best

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friends of

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of the week

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a with

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Ted. yeah. Yeah. That, yeah. Seriously, was, that deep the hole of not feeling

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so I feel the like part. Maybe you give me advice and give

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who's listening, who's

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the friend someone going through this advice sometimes hard to how questions ask that were about like,

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like

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obviously how feeling, but like at? I of roughly what, what, what jumps you were or

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like When I'd get

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get time where

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like, period due. Yeah. Yeah. And an

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knew how much to

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and how Oh see. I, thought were really like, really I like kind of gave space,

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we're

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very much like

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how Yeah. Yeah.

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How, what, yeah. What's

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today? Yeah.

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which us I remember I fell pregnant, I literally sent you like, I done the test. I sent

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the

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thing being like, holy I shouldn't swear

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the pod. because do

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we

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we were away that week? Yeah.

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were away. We were the

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We the Gold were

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were on Gold the days around was meant get my period, which I that in itself really helped. it was a Yes. Because it's so consuming. Yeah.

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but I remember Yes'cause you were like

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of waiting

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your period

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days.

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days and. you running the

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the to be

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have I my period or

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am I

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just a bit sweaty?

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Yeah, literally. Yeah. Yeah. that happened. mean, that happened every cycle. Once it gets to around your period you're just hyper fixated everything that, little sign that, know, you get like and you're like, oh, does mean

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something? Yeah.

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So it's actually crazy how

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your but I remember

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thinking many times, oh, I've got my period then gonna the bathroom and no, I Yeah. And it's strange. just

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constantly. Yeah.

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Yeah. Obviously just like on mind all the yeah.

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so, you

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took

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pregnancy test and is Yeah, July.

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Yeah, July. Yeah. July. And.

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So that was like

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two weeks. It was a few

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days after your

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your

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was due and hadn't

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come. Yeah. So you, just

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just like very cautiously optimistic.

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Yeah. I I think very, very cautiously. optimistic. Almost to the point where it, was so'cause this time when I first, it was The first time

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pregnant,

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I did feel like my boobs were actually a little sore Like I

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like I

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almost had a bit of inkling, this there's

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felt

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nothing. and I had experience the HCG injections that I, um, mentioned

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before.

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I actually mentioned the pod last time how they can sometimes delay your period a little I was kind of just convinced that I But then, yeah, it got I maybe it like the, I don't know, maybe it Tuesday Wednesday. the Tuesday and was allowed to do a pregnancy test. and was, yeah, I did first

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in morning.

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actually, I'm pretty Dave like

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already, obviously,

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he's supportive also so wishing. Yeah. I, I like must, it must strange, a partner's experience all of because I like I'm not control at all, but that they're on like a whole level. it's not even body kind of thing. But think was like already awake and had yeah, ran the and he actually kind of scared I remember then when I came out, was like sitting in the dark the room, just being like, and but yeah, and then I sent you, I was like, gosh. Yeah. and then got the blood I remember actually leaving the Pilate, in the I doing a like KX Pilates I was like waiting the call.

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I wasn't sure

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it

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gonna

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be, I did a blood test that morning. and

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I thought, oh,

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it's probably not

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gonna be until

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the next day that I get it back. but I have like kind of become friends

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with

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the rooms. like they

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know

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Yeah. And anyway, she, one of them called at like seven 30 or something was like, I was about to, off the day, but then I saw your name your blood results. So I just, I thought you would wanna Oh. like had outta the, was like, yeah, like

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confirms

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are pregnant. which is really cool.

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Yeah. But yeah, and you were saying before are

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are different

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second time

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round,

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you're so right. even I even I remember and I was happy. But I ime. I even it being like we being because you said like, you were yeah, it's great, but like we're not ourselves

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get to Yeah. a lid on hopefully

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yeah, keeping

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lid on it. Yeah. I feel like every time I said something that was like marginally positive, I'd be like, yep.

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keeping a

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little, yeah. Yeah. It It is really yeah, That completely changes. and then, yeah, mean we about the

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To skin? To first skin? Yeah. Because I like that yeah.

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Not you

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could relax necessarily, but like that the con like, okay, on.

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yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I remember that's right. The first scan I remember I had on a Wednesday morning. and that two weeks I feel like initially I happy and then feel like of anxiety. Kicked in big time. and closer that the

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scan

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the like more anxious I was, back, even now I like I, I find having scans like triggering obviously.'cause we found out bad news at scan and every time,

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mean I haven't, I'm actually yet to

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have scan on the day it was scheduled for every single scan I've had. I've had bring a days I'm just too

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nervous. Um,

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but in saying that I have my

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week

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scan

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in

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of weeks I am, I really wanna

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get, not bring, bring

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forward.

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Yeah. That's

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like my goal.

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Yeah.

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Yeah Which is silly. yeah, I haven't had a scan I haven't brought forward yet. yeah, I that scan was meant on the or something I ended up bringing the Wednesday I remember swimming with a few girlfriends that Wednesday morning. and I was just sick with nerves. And then I, when we coffee, actually, I, only, was of us actually. I told them, I was like, I'm to go a scan. I just, I felt I was like off wilda land. Yeah. I remember having a coffee like being a bit shaky and I'm like, I need tell'em, I'm gonna them if it, if bad news,

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they're gonna the

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ones I'm like running to anyway. yeah, first scan and was really, kind

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of made me

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reflect on the first time

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when that first

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scan and didn't so well, but he was like cautiously optimistic, blah, blah, blah. But this time the, the same obstetrician he was so much more like, yep, looks good. Yeah. way a hundred percent It was, yeah. was just, was no like,

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okay, an eye.

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yeah, we're gonna see blah, blah, He was like. It was a quite, actually a quick

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appointment.

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earlier. So were like can

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frequently, but

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scans

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themselves was on a lot of angst,

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so

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Dave kind of the one that pointed out He was feel like you get more anxious

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mm-hmm you,

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you there's, when you know there's a scan. I, I don't think actually gonna feel any better by like,

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one every Yeah.

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and I was

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like, that's

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advice. yeah. then yeah, was like,

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back

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no like, oh, come back

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week

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and Yeah. Yeah. so it

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it was,

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interesting. Obviously because the first time we didn't know what he's like normally.

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Yes. But it he was

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different. Very different. Yeah. And anyway, so Dave and I kind laugh. We were like, don't ever, never want him to say cautiously

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optimistic. Yeah.

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Yeah

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It Yeah. Um, okay. Well a nice spot to end.

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The, yeah. thank you

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listening. Oh, my pleasure. Also,

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thank for just like best possible friend the 18 like I don't know, however long this

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long

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whole Long.

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know how anyone would through

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that Like

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that

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they're the saddest messages a sense as

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as

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people who haven't like they could share it or, yeah. don't Yeah. I do think it's such a. Hard

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thing, and you just humans to go these alone.

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Oh, I know. I agree.

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Yeah. Some of the, as you like Yeah, some of the most, the the messages I felt the most about were the ones that people almost feeling a bit or embarrassed kind chat to which I completely understand, but I do feel like it's already a lonely place, you Yeah. of need like, pull on all of the support

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you get around you.

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you I think like just talking

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through

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again, like we,

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we recorded

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through

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thing.

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the

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week, I'm

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to week

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where miscarried, whether Yeah, we did. We did. Because remember you saying we don't

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to do it, and was didn't

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the weekend

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something? I. Yeah. I

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but I actually quite like,'cause then wasn't like it was an hour of time that I wasn't thinking about it. Yeah, yeah, forces you to think about But

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yeah, it

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you

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still show a person to work To

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your

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everything

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in those

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times.

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And

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like,

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yeah so resilient. Mm even though

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said,

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obviously

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mental health suffered like that

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Yeah. That you were so tough so Yeah. It's funny, I remember back to obviously like had the Friday off for the DNC procedure. And then I remember back on the Monday being like, I'm in a really different place to when I was last here. just thinking, I mean, I feel like I've been fortunate with like, I haven't had a bad things happen in my life. but I remember thinking

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like,

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whoa, the world really just keeps

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going.

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Like everything is

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as normal, which in, a

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sense is in a way. world does go on. But then when you like your world has like, upside down or like you're in of a spiral, really of confronting them being like, oh yeah, the world just

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keeps going. just

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going. Yeah. I

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feel yeah. I, I something you said

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as

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you're going

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it, which

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really stuck with It was It

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as are kind

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like processing the miscarriage

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and then I can't what queued was

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something you'd seen online or a conversation friend. But you like, I feel like I able empathize so more person because of

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I've

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through Yeah. Now, like, obviously you wouldn't wish that

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upon

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like, don't wish that yourself all having gone through able to be

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be like

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there for people or

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Yeah. I guess there's like another like deeper level of understanding in a sense. don't Yeah. but yeah,

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That that. That was that. week we

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will be about

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the Woo hoo. If you

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you any questions or anything for next week's up.

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Right? Yeah, a good idea. a

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a little Yeah. Yeah. we can do

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little q and a as well as as well no view of pregnancy. Yeah. But again, thank sharing.

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okay. Thank you creating a

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space for

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me to share. Oh

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Oh, my pleasure. my

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pleasure.

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yeah. um

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some All

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right, let's get into yeah. um

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some segue A real shit in mood. a,

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rose, um

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so this rundown segment, we are going to be about the new Instagram page, which called the Official Unofficial Time, which bio, are, they page to protect

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integrity the

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marathon, upholding chip times, exposing Strava inflation. Mm-hmm. Um, and they welcome people sharing suspicious race posts their dms. the page is satirical. Ooh. Yeah, guess

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is. It satirical. It's also serious. Yeah. Oh,

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Oh So mission, if you'll allow

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lovely,

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is to uphold integrity, defend honesty,

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expose

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striving inflation

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politely

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runners most commonly Bondi based fitness influences that's the watch. the it hits 42.195 meters, even if are 500 meters from the

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line,

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is a serious act of fraud, which not and not be tolerated

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this sport. Yeah.

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So what they're doing,

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this

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page and on their stories, I think dms and people

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through,

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that

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are

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posting, their on Instagram or particularly Instagram, claiming. Pbs, or times that are actually different their

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chip times.

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racing chip time. So,

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those who don't like racing

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chip time the, like, official time you get from the event. and lot of you that have done fun

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and stuff probably that

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lot of, Strava time, lot of the that actually faster that distance. Yeah. Because it's Oh, like a few sometimes. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's like taking, whereas the official time obviously one

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you are

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are to

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Yeah. They also to

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calling some people who

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blatantly, like up a photo

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covering bib by

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by the books. Yes then that is like totally

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actually run, which so bizarre. And

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we've talking before, it just, I'm unclear motivations still really.

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For why you

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would

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as in like the people, the

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Yeah. the perpetrators. Yeah. Yeah.

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think you something off mic before that I thought was nail on the head in the sense that

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you

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almost, you feel sorry the people who are doing this because.

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what

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they, that's the thing are they trying to achieve? And imagine much must on in their head actually lie about

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that they're Like,

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be so proud of whatever time you do. It's not though

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taking minutes. even if

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its like who get, who

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doesn't, no

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a days words.

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Like,

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doesn't your life. like

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no one, literally no one Well,'cause what we

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discussing is page, what do you follow them, post stories

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naming shaming like

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very

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person, their face, their time, and what their offense was

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Yeah. Yeah. And when you first,

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well, least when I on em was bit

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because

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girl runs at a club in Melbourne and mm-hmm.

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just

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just like being like, you about

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time. Yeah. And then

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feels, feel quite not but. I don't know, quite call someone That

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Yeah. That publicly sense. Probably do though, I have seen, a

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times

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on that, they will the thing being like, there's a, we've notified there's a discrepancy. Like are saying that your time for the marathon, is 3 44, where your time's 3 47, should be really proud. It's your 10th marathon. Yeah. Blah, blah, And they give people the opportunity to

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actually, comment, dm

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Yeah, True. they publicly but fair

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I mean, that I don't haven't, that part I is like quite funny

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Yeah. Yeah. also it kind people the option

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to, well, people change they

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they also, this Instagram page, official unofficial time, they. Then we'll upload being like, have corrected that have this. Yeah. Which is

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But it's, then I think

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sometimes like few and change it, and then they,

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they expose you yeah, the

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is fine.

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exposing bit, bit

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oh

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oh I

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But I guess, you

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have an Instagram following you doing that?

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cause

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That's people following see. Yeah.

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Yeah. exactly. Yeah. I like there is a, have seen couple of things where people kind of bite back, which

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really?

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Yeah. And what they say? I think they've actually been, gonna look up this one one that I know, because Well, I don't know. actually, yeah, I who the person is. uh, it's like annoying. So he has actually just

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deleted

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their comments. but there's, oh yeah, deleted their comments. but uh, the comments that they shared, obviously before they've been deleted, he was of at just clearly

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just doesn't

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give a rat's ass the fact that he's but he was he just didn't obviously doesn't care that he is, he's of

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being, but he agreeing that

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But was lying? Like, no, he, no, but he didn't even, even acknowledge that. He's just kind of like, back, blah, blah, It's

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so

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so odd. I'm surely, really odd. Anyway, A

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little

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bit funny. A little

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funny do think

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is fine line between calling out and then it becoming. Just a bit mean,

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and, and I don't

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probably shaming. Yeah. I don't like that. yeah, I don't, I don't the,

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it,

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it's funny, like I really, I hate

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people

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pretending

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that

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they doing times that they're not whatever. But at the end of day, also a little like

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You are not

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hurting anyone. You've Yeah. You've got demons inside your own

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head. Because I say, cause I know, our Lee is

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to to but

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so she is very, really doesn't agree

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with do

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I find myself like

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not caring that much. I don't like, I don't really care. I'm just a bit

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like,

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why

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you

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you

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That's thing. I

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I guess when,

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maybe it's bad they have following and like, I it's different you

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are like a

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pretending

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to a

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and you're

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giving advice my times or something. But if you're

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just on the, mean, obviously wrong do. lying. But I, I well that you're an

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Yeah. Yeah. I don't

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really care. Yeah. So the

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page is is a bit fun. is quite funny. It's kind fascinating. I find it fascinating obviously I'm never gonna look up anyone's actual chip

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time or whatever

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So

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I

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do find it I also find a lot of way that they write things I find quite

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They

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don't be like, this

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the breach. Yeah. I know. I

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Yeah it. They're doing All all, It's public service. I also wanna who are,

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Oh yeah. I wonder.

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to us

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if you. you

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Um, alright.

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that's we've time for today.

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I think it is. Thank you so for sharing.

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Thank you.

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And up. and as you said, we'll maybe we'll put

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up some

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boxes

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To

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anything.

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But thank you again everyone

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who.

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reached out the of our episode registered any of our events.

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it'll

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so so

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Yeah. And we'll a lot of you

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Friday

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at come on. Yay. so Bye

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bye.

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do

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