A bit going on in the running world this week!

Welcome to a new week and new ep!

This ep, we chat about the men’s and women’s marathon world records, both being broken at the London Marathon last weekend, Sebastian Sawe and Tigst Assefa running sub two hours, and two hours fifteen respectively.

We also unpack the Puma controversy, one of their former athletes claiming their shoes are defective and caused career-ending injuries… leading her to sue for damages!

 To round out the ep, we have some more Am I The Asshole running scenarios, and Anna gives an exciting update on her return to running.

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Transcript

phoebe audio 0:00

Cheeky Run Club recognizes that every day we live, work, and run on aboriginal land.

anna audio 0:06

Welcome to Cheeky Run Club, Welcome to Cheeky Run Club, the social running podcast and community for your everyday amateur runner. Hello, Phoebe.

phoebe audio 0:14

Hello, Anna.

anna audio 0:15

And hello, listeners.

phoebe audio 0:17

Today we are going to discuss some insane updates in the running world from the London Marathon performances to a pretty bizarre humor athlete controversy. Um, then we're gonna dive into some more, am I the asshole running scenario submitted by the listeners this week. and finally we're going to finish off with our new segment. Which is, a realistic, realistic rehab diaries. as Anna returns to her running and movement post pregnancy and birth. But first she's excited. but first we'll kick it off with our notable runs or running related activities. Anna, I want to hear about your worst running related activity this week.

anna audio 1:05

okay. My worst isn't a... It wasn't actually bad, it was just, I think it's similar to last week where you think if you're a fly on the wall. I don't know how you'd feel about this situation, But I was breastfeeding as I do most of the day, every day.

phoebe audio 1:22

As you are want to do.

anna audio 1:25

and I really needed... Oh, I don't know if I'm gonna re- this is maybe too much information. I really needed to pee.

phoebe audio 1:34

Mm. Too much say less.

anna audio 1:37

say less. Anyway, obviously when you need to pee, you need to go. was obviously still breastfeeding. Didn't...

phoebe audio 1:43

you do in that situation if you need to?

anna audio 1:45

didn't, I didn't want to remove the milk di- dictator from her milk source, so

phoebe audio 1:52

you're about to call her, thought you're about to call her a milk demon.

anna audio 1:56

no, just a dictator. So much better. anyway, so I- Walked to the bathroom with her latched, and had a little tinkle, and then carried on breastfeeding.

phoebe audio 2:15

Wait, wait. Is this the whole story?

anna audio 2:18

Yeah, that's it. But then when I got back in my chair, I weirdly felt guilty. I was like, "Sorry, girl."

phoebe audio 2:27

so I'm just, it's Sorry, I, I have some questions in came down, unpack, but I'm also laughing 'cause I reckon there are, people have listened to us from like the very beginning when like all our best restaurants or like our sessions and

anna audio 2:40

Yeah, I g- had so much lactic acid,

phoebe audio 2:43

How far we've, how far we've fallen.

anna audio 2:47

Now I'm going, now I'm doing a, wee with a baby attached to my boob.

phoebe audio 2:52

Not even a we a tinkle.

anna audio 2:57

Oh, anyway, that's my worst running-related activity. And it wasn't even bad, it was just one of those unfortunate situations, and I'm sure it's gonna happen again 'cause, Dave is back at work, so it's just, it's me.

video 1 3:11

Yeah.

anna audio 3:11

And, oh, I mean, mind you, he also doesn't have breasts to breastfeed, so even if he was here, I couldn't give it to him.

phoebe audio 3:17

true. but did, did you successfully execute the,

anna audio 3:23

Oh, yeah.

phoebe audio 3:24

we need, need a name for this move?

video 1 3:26

move? Yeah.

anna audio 3:27

Yeah. let me see. A brinkle, like a tinkle with a breastfeed

phoebe audio 3:34

wrinkle. Beautiful.

video 1 3:36

Lemme know.

anna audio 3:36

let me know if anyone has any better names for it. But yes, that's my worst run or running-related activity. What about you?

video 1 3:43

Hmm,

phoebe audio 3:43

my worst run. Is multiple non runs. I have honestly, barely. I have, well, I've, yeah, I have, I don't know when I last had a week where I have run this little, Because I've had a really big week. We have, every kind of six months at my work, we have this like big demo day, which is where, the company, the startups that we invest in kind of present. And it's like a lot of work to get them ready. And also like the whole team flies in. It's like this, it's a big week. It's always super fun and

anna audio 4:16

I'd say think Shark Tank. Is that a

phoebe audio 4:18

Yeah. Yeah. That's a, that's a great,

anna audio 4:21

That's what I picture,

phoebe audio 4:22

except everyone just claps after every, everyone cheers. The, the crowd. the crowd loves it. Yeah. but I normally, like I've kind of gone back and forth of like how hard I try and push with my running in these weeks. but. I, every single time I have tried to run as normal during these weeks, I get really sick by the end of it. Like without fail, as I'm sure you will know. So, uh, and I really can't afford to get sick right now because I'm flying overseas on tonight, Friday night and for another really big week of work. Yeah. Which is really exciting. And I was like, you know what? I'm just gonna have to chill. And so I've had my, my worst, uh, I've did a few mornings where I was like, okay, I can't run. I'm so cooked. I've like not slept enough, et cetera. I'm just gonna go for a walk. And I'm really finding my walk's not energizing. I don't know if I walk too slowly, Like when you do an exercise, walk, do you walk quickly?

anna audio 5:19

Yeah, but I don't get the same... It- I don't feel like I've exercised, like I do with going on the a run or even the elliptical or bike. You don't get the same kind of buzz after. I th- I, I like walking 'cause I, l- I just love being outside and I think that's really like good for your mental health and stuff, but you definitely, well, I don't get like any kind of buzz from it.

video 1 5:41

Mm-hmm.

phoebe audio 5:42

Yeah, I think that's exactly right. Like it is actually really nice while I'm, that's actually true. I do enjoy it while I'm doing it. It's just crazy how I think I'm so reliant on that run to give me that, especially when I'm tired. And stressed to give me like a boost of energy and not getting that and then going into the day I'm just like, oh my God. Everything feels a lot harder.

anna audio 6:04

A lot

phoebe audio 6:05

Which is crazy. Like kind of does make it running feel like a bit of an addiction when like you don't do it. and All of a sudden it's like everything just feels a bit a bit dimmer.

anna audio 6:14

hun- oh, 100%. I even think at the moment, like even with the elliptical.

phoebe audio 6:19

Mm.

anna audio 6:19

Because that has kind of almost become my drug. it's so strange. like the days that I don't do it as opposed to the days that I do. I have so much less energy. My like resilience for anything is beneath the floor. I'm like, when does it turn from, a healthy habit

phoebe audio 6:39

Yeah. what's the line? What's the line? but yes, so worst run was how many mornings I've missed out on a run this week. And also now because I'm like flying, I didn't know, it always just messes up. So I feel like I'm probably gonna do like two little runs this week, which is, um,

anna audio 6:56

But that's all right. Better than none.

phoebe audio 6:58

That's better than none. Um, tell me about your best running related activity.

anna audio 7:03

Oh, mine is actually this morning. Sooo, wandering back from the gym, the sunrise was absolute... So I went on the elliptical this morning, which was great as per usual best 45 minutes ever. Um, but walking back, the sunrise was insane. It looked so nice. Like, as soon as I wandered out of the gym, there was just this like pink and orange sky. I was thinking, gosh, it would be such a nice morning to go for a run. But it's just, I feel like this weather in Melbourne at the moment, I feel like anyone that lives here would agree is just insane. It's so nice. It's like beautiful, clear blue sky days. Like not very windy, warm, but not hot. It's just heaven. anyways, so I think we're gonna get another one of those. What about you? What's your best run or running-related activity?

phoebe audio 7:51

Oh, I was just gonna say, I do love autumn in Melbourne. I think it's like the

anna audio 7:55

I know and the leaves, the trees, so, so pretty.

phoebe audio 7:59

my best run was on Monday. I, well, I guess to, to set the scene. As I said, I had been feeling quite like, I, I always, coming into these weeks, I feel a lot of like. Well, this is gonna be a really big week. and I went, I was like, okay, I'm just gonna do like an easy run. and I lately in, because when I'm in Sydney, I have been running by myself a lot more. I've really fallen back into the habit of like listening to podcasts while I do an easy run or music. And so like, I, you know. Had my headphones in ready to go and then I was stepping out the door and like for some reason I was like. actually, I don't want my phone and I don't want my headphones. And so I took them, I like put them away and. It was so interesting 'cause I, I feel like I had that instinct 'cause I was like, I don't want, want my phone or headphones because I have a lot of like, Things in my mind that I wanna like think through before this week. And you know how sometimes when you run, you like wanna like you solve problems and you like, And I was like, I feel like on this run I just wanna like clear my head and solve some really specific challenges that I know I have coming up this week. So That had been my intention for the run. But it was really interesting. Like I ran to Centennial Park and. for some reason, like normally on runs, I feel like I, I'm really good at like focusing on. If I have something to solve, I can like really lose myself in that like thing that I'm thinking about. Like, you know, you get in that kind of flow state. But I kept noticing all these things around me. Like there were these like black cockatoos that kept flying overhead. They have these amazing black cockatoos in Centennial Park and they have like the nicest like. Cry and they kept like distracting me and then I kept just like noticing it was a public holiday in Sydney, so no one was really in the park. It was like really empty. It was really quiet and I kept just like noticing how. Beautiful things were, and I just I ended up being like, I couldn't even think about work because I get, was getting like sucked into like how peaceful it was. Yeah. And I had this really nice, like I, and I just sort of like, for want a better way, word, like surrender to it and was just like, okay, I'm just gonna like soak up this morning. It was like steam, like gently rising from the ponds completely still. Clear blue sky, like some autumn colors. It's like early sun coming in and like geese everywhere. And I just had this, it was like this really weird sense of like, I felt so peaceful. I like finished the run feeling so at peace and I had this weird sense that um, this is gonna sound so corny, but like my body knew what I needed in that run, and it wasn't to solve these work problems. It was actually just to like, yeah, just like get some perspective. Everything's gonna be fine no matter what. Like, don't take this all too seriously. It's a beautiful day. we live in a beautiful world and I don't know, I just finished like, it was actually the nicest way to start the week and it was such this little sign of like. Your body when you run, tells you what you need and it would if you listen to it, and then it'll help you do that.

anna audio 10:58

Yeah. Which is, yes, as you said, like sometimes it's solving issues, but sometimes it's

phoebe audio 11:03

It was like, I and it, I feel like my mind is just like, no, no, we're not thinking about that. Like we're just Looking at everything that's going on around, So

video 1 11:10

so

phoebe audio 11:11

it was actually really lovely. Yeah.

anna audio 11:13

I've... yeah. that sounds very wholesome.

phoebe audio 11:16

It was really nice. it was. It was actually really nice. Um, it's Flo Okay. You okay, Anna, tell me about what happened in London Marathon last weekend.

anna audio 11:28

Oh, golly gosh. So Before we, like, get into the world Records London Marathon looks insane.

video 1 11:36

Mm,

phoebe audio 11:36

Hmm.

anna audio 11:37

I really wanna do it.

phoebe audio 11:39

It looks

anna audio 11:40

It looks so fun. I get the same vibe... Actually, Boston I get the same vibe a little bit, but, I really love London as a city, and everyone is just out and about And some of the stories and everything that, come from it are just so inspiring. Like. If anyone's in a bad mood, just like look up London Marathon in Instagram or, like TikTok, and you will instantly feel better. It is just some of the stories are like so inspiring. Everyone is just I don't know. I just, there's something about a marathon that really like brings the city together. I reckon

video 1 12:12

It

phoebe audio 12:13

I was actually gonna say about London Marathon. Did you see that they're thinking about separating the men's and women's races fully,

anna audio 12:20

Oh, completely, no

phoebe audio 12:22

like one gender run on one day and the other run on the other day.

anna audio 12:25

Oh, no, I didn't see that. I don't know. I don't know about that. I, uh, there's something quite nice about everyone doing it together.

phoebe audio 12:32

Well, I think they're just trying to figure out how they can make it way bigger.

anna audio 12:35

Bigger,

phoebe audio 12:36

cause at the moment it's just like barely anyone can do it relative to everyone who

anna audio 12:41

Yeah. I kinda... I, I mean, like, even something like the Melbourne Marathon is, like hard enough to get into. These, like world majors to get into them is just ridiculous. Like, just to get a spot. Is a win in itself. sorry. Getting into it. So w- what happened was, it was actually quite historic. So the men's and women's world records went down on the s- same day. The women's, I will say, it was, there is a slight technicality. It's like a women's only race world record, which means that. it just is like the fastest a woman's ever gone without having, like, males help pace her. Um, so that was broken by, Ty Ysefa. And I'm always so bad at pronouncing these names, so I apologize. Is,

phoebe audio 13:26

Tags, I think it's tags. Tags,

anna audio 13:29

yeah. so she's an Ethiopian. She's 29, former Olympic silver medalist, And she's the one that holds the, like, overall women's world record. she ran 2:11 in Berlin.

video 1 13:41

Mm-hmm.

anna audio 13:42

thing that everyone's talking about from the day, is Sebastian Sawy, the Kenyan 30-year-old who. broke the men's world record but also is in an official race. We know that Kipchoge did it a few years ago, um, Oh ...in the, like INEOS thing. but he is the first person to ever officially break the two hours running. 19 One... Sorry, 19. Whoa. 1:59:30. and also I just wanna also shout out, not that he would ever be listening, but the Ethiopian, Kirjelcha, came second. He was only 11 seconds behind in his first marathon.

phoebe audio 14:20

Yeah, so it's really funny. I feel like there are a few things that happen every now and then. Something happens in the running world that's big enough that it sort of transcends through to general pop culture.

anna audio 14:31

Regular

phoebe audio 14:31

like breaking Yeah, normal people. Um, I feel like breaking two hours has definitely been one of the, but, um, it was funny. I, one of the founders actually that, um, we invested in at work was who's not a runner, was saying like, oh, did you hear they broke the three hour marathon record? And I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, so good. Like, it was actually two hours. Like, it's crazy. He was like, oh, wow. And then he goes, it's kind of like when they broke the 14 minute mile.

anna audio 14:59

Oh, sweetie.

phoebe audio 15:06

14 minute mile.

anna audio 15:08

You're like, "There's a lot of, there's a lot of world record holders.

phoebe audio 15:13

Yeah.

anna audio 15:13

we're breaking the 14-minute mile.

phoebe audio 15:15

It just made me laugh. Um, but it is, I feel like that two hours, it's been one of those things that for a long time. I just think that everyone thought was never going to be possible. And obviously keep choking doing it like. It, it showed that it was possible, but it almost also made it seem, made it clear how hard it was and, and how unlikely it would be that someone would break it in the near future. because he needed so much help. Like this amazing. perfect setup, perfect weather, perfect pacing, and

anna audio 15:48

Yeah, perfect course.

phoebe audio 15:50

Yeah. And to speak about the difference that pacing made, like Ty Effer just obviously won the women's only world record in two 15, so that's with no pacing. She's done two 11 with people around her that's four minutes faster,

anna audio 16:04

wild. yeah. Did you see how, f- Did you see, not to like fully, no doubt, but did you see the splits for, Sebastian and Yomif, The How fast they went in the second half.

phoebe audio 16:17

Oh my God. They did

anna audio 16:19

was

phoebe audio 16:19

I think at at 35 Ks, they did like a 1340 5K. Or something

anna audio 16:24

5K, which is genuinely insane. So the, to put it in perspective, so the... I actually heard this on a podcast, so the- they're, the second half of the marathon, um, of their marathon. Broke the Australian Half Marathon record by a minute.

phoebe audio 16:43

wow. what

anna audio 16:46

I know.

phoebe audio 16:46

that is so fast. Yeah, and they just like felt good. I loved, did you see the interview with Sowe? And they were like, what did you eat for breakfast before the marathon?

anna audio 16:55

Oh, yeah, yeah.

phoebe audio 16:56

He's like, some toast with honey.

anna audio 16:58

yeah, yeah. They just seem so, I love, I don't know, I really like, he

phoebe audio 17:04

You're one of us. I know. a couple other interesting things about this record. One is that we have spoken about SWE on the podcast before. Haven't we I know

anna audio 17:13

Yes, we have. Just, I don't know if people remember, but just before. um, Berlin because obviously with these records there's always like a bit of skepticism because they're, as we know, there is drugs in sport, um, especially in like long distance running, and there have been like quite a few people who have tested positive, but he. well, Adidas actually included in his contract to provide the funds, um, to the sports anti-doping organization of about $50,000 to prove he was clean, like in the lead up to Berlin, so to have extra testing. So he actually was tested 25 times in the lead up to Berlin?

phoebe audio 17:52

Yeah, because he wanted to. break. He wanted to break the record in Berlin as

anna audio 17:55

Yeah, and he, yeah, And he like, thought he could kind of thing, so he didn't want there to be like any question marks around it. Um, which I think like m- moving forward, I think that's, I think it's a really good idea, like if you're. Like you have nothing to hide kind of thing. I know that it's like resources and it's money and whatnot, but it is so true. Like there is always like so much skepticism whenever these records are run. And like myself included, I'm always a bit like, hmm.

phoebe audio 18:22

Yeah. You can't help

anna audio 18:23

really, yeah, but I really kind of.

phoebe audio 18:25

I trust him.

video 1 18:27

Yeah, same.

phoebe audio 18:28

I mean, he is been such a big advocate for clean, like being clean in the sport and doing whatever,

anna audio 18:34

Yeah.

phoebe audio 18:36

measures can be done.

anna audio 18:38

and Koechelsha actually said in his, like post-race interview as well that he really respected. what Salwe had done and um, 'cause he's sponsored by Adidas as well and like, he'd be really happy to, do the same, and kind of wants to do the same in the future because he like knows how important it is. The integrity Of the sport.

phoebe audio 18:56

Well that's actually the other thing I was gonna say. Um, good day for Adidas.

anna audio 19:01

Great day for Adidas.

phoebe audio 19:04

like Boston as well, they did the winners. The winners at Boston might have been Aidas. I dunno about you, but I feel like Aidas doesn't get much airtime in Australia. I don't really

anna audio 19:13

not in running. I would never think... I couldn't even name a training shoe that they have.

phoebe audio 19:20

the Evo Evos, Evo l or something. I think people like, but Yeah. I.

anna audio 19:25

'cause I feel like every, every brand, like I know at least kind of one shoe, but yeah, I just feel like you don't really see them around very much,

phoebe audio 19:31

even like who are their athletes in Australia?

anna audio 19:34

high jumpers. I know Eleanor Patterson is sponsored by them. that's all.

phoebe audio 19:39

I suppose. Yeah.

anna audio 19:40

I don't know if anyone, I actually don't know if anyone else is, maybe they're just not interested in Australia.

phoebe audio 19:46

I know. Fair enough. But huge congrats to Sebastian Swe and to Cagel for also breaking two hours and obviously to our girl tags. A what a day.

anna audio 19:59

What a day. I do feel a little bit sorry for Koechelsha, like he's run under two hours.

phoebe audio 20:04

Oh my God. Like that

anna audio 20:06

world record by a lot and like no one's really talking about him.

phoebe audio 20:09

I know.

anna audio 20:10

You'd just be a bit like, I mean, it's amazing. Uh, he probably doesn't care. but you'd be like. far out if it was literally any other race, he would

phoebe audio 20:17

Oh, Also like the bonuses you'd get for breaking that world

anna audio 20:22

Oh yeah.

phoebe audio 20:22

For all that stuff. For winning in London, like It's very impressive. our second topic that we wanted to talk about today, we alluded to at the top was this, Puma controversy, and it's regarding an athlete called Abby Steiner, who I have to say, I actually hadn't heard of before seeing the news about, this controversy. Had you heard of Abby before?

anna audio 20:46

yes, but only because I have like a weird obsession with the women's athletics NCAA program.

phoebe audio 20:54

You. Yeah. Fair

anna audio 20:56

only that It's very niche.

video 1 20:58

Very

phoebe audio 20:58

niche. So she, is basically a sprint star. She's 26 years old. she's like an NCAA record holder. She's probably where you came across her, Anna. She's a t.

anna audio 21:09

so the, for anyone that doesn't know so the NCAA is the National Collegiate Athletic Association. So essentially it's like the really big sporting competition over in the US for college athletes and like, it's like, it's really big. It's huge. Like people, like, Actually, a lot of people from Australia go there on scholarships and whatnot, and it kind of, is a, like stepping stone into professional sport for a lot of people?

video 1 21:32

Mm-hmm.

phoebe audio 21:32

So she basically, as said, was killing it throughout her time in the ncaa. and kind of off the back of that, she. Sort of the next big thing. She signed a huge Puma deal. It was like us two mill, in 2022. and she is now, the, the controversy we should have said is that she's actually trying to sue Puma at the moment and she's claiming that their shoes were defective and caused injuries that ended her career. So do you wanna tell us a little bit more about what it is that she is alleging.

anna audio 22:06

Yeah. So essentially, yeah, she was the next big thing and then has kind of like crashed out with multiple injuries. She's alleging that Puma shoes use carbon plate and nitro foam tech, which changed her running mechanics and put extra pressure on her feet and Achilles. So since switching over to Puma, she's had multiple injuries, multiple surgeries, including Achilles and heels, missed major competitions. She was like really trying to get into the Paris Olympics, but was injured in the lead-up to the trials, and then I think finished sixth at the trials. Um, and now she's unable to compete at an elite level. Um, and she's claiming that this is all since starting to wear Puma shoes. so what have Puma said about it?

phoebe audio 22:51

Well, pma actually not much. They've denied the claims, but they basically, are like, we can't comment fully due to legal proceedings. but it is

anna audio 22:59

of this

phoebe audio 23:00

Yeah. it's Really hard to know what to make of it. Like I think it's an interesting question re like duty of care of the brands and sort of like informed consent just in terms of is it, is it really up to the brand? Well, also, I'm really interested to know how she'll prove that it's like the fault of the shoes and that. Therefore, like the brand is kind of liable for that because it's just how like every shoe would fit differently on every different athlete. It would only be like, I, I feel like I was reading some articles where they were insinuating that maybe she might have information that like they knew it could be harmful and they were getting her to wear it anyway, or, They had a genuine reason that they should have been saying maybe don't wear these, or something like that. And she wore them and they gave her injuries, but I, I just don't know why she would be going through this process of like a huge legal proceeding against a company with a lot more money than her, unless. like, surely she's got something. Surely like,

anna audio 24:09

Yeah. You'd sort of think this is more like if, if you do have the evidence, it would turn to more of like a class action kinda thing. I don't really understand how like one individual is able to find like a causal link between the shoes and the injuries without. Other people supporting it. So I don't know, maybe they've... maybe th- her team's like, got something in their back pocket, but it does seem unlikely that anything, uh, uh, yeah, anything

phoebe audio 24:38

interested to see how it. Yeah, how it unfolds because lots, it's, it is not an uncommon experience that someone goes pro and then just has a succession of injuries. And I think, I didn't know how you would ever causally link it with the shoes you were wearing as opposed to the changing your routine, not eating the right food. Like there are a million different things. It could be,

anna audio 25:00

yeah. and also, you know, uh, like, when you're... I mean, she's 26 now, so she would've been 22 sort of when, is happening still a young body, like your body's changing, like your bio.

phoebe audio 25:12

Mm-hmm. But then on that, like who's whose, um, responsibility is it to be like noticing, oh, are these shoes feeling right? How is this changing? Like, how should I be? Like, is it.

video 1 25:26

Her,

phoebe audio 25:27

her coach the brand, like, I don't know, but

anna audio 25:30

maybe a bit of a collective. But yeah, like, it isn't... I agree. It shouldn't be, like, solely, I mean, at the end of the day, it's the athlete's responsibility. But as a 22-year-old, if you've just signed like a $2 million deal and then you're thinking that your feet are hurting because of the shoes, you're probably unlikely to kick up a fuss and be like, oh, you know what? I'm not gonna run in these

phoebe audio 25:50

yeah.

video 1 25:50

forfeit

anna audio 25:51

sponsorship deal.

video 1 25:53

Yeah,

phoebe audio 25:53

Yeah, totally.

video 1 25:54

Yeah.

anna audio 25:55

Yeah. I do find it really sad. The, and it happens a lot. I mean, just like there are so many people who, when they're a bit younger, aren't sort of at the. The top of the game. And then they like improve, as they get older. But then like on the other side of it, it, it makes me sad, like the, the athletes who are at the top of the game when they're like younger And then kind of, for whatever reason, mm, maybe it's injury or, um, maybe their just like, performance doesn't continue to improve, but it's a hard reality to come to. But we, s- we see, I feel like we see it quite a lot.

phoebe audio 26:28

Well, you know, it kinda makes me Curious about is like a lot of sports have insurance for, if you get if you get injured so badly from the sport that you can no longer compete, you're basically Get like a payout of sorts, to basically compensate you for, you know, not being able to Work in that time. I mean, I don't know, this might be really different in every like sporting body and, but like for runners, how would you manage that? Because like, it's also, is it more your fault? Is it more within your control,

anna audio 27:00

Yeah, I feel like, it seems like that's more in like kind of team sports where there's a league and someone belongs to an actual club

phoebe audio 27:07

Hmm.

anna audio 27:08

or the like league. Has the insurance and, but like even that, I mean there's like a lot of stuff not to, not to go completely off topic, but there's a lot of stuff happening in the AFL at the moment about like concussion, insurance with concussion and how essentially this, or this one particular athlete who is unable to do all this stuff because of, the concussions that he has suffered from for like years, is trying to sort of get compensation from the league who

phoebe audio 27:37

Yeah. Or the insurers.

anna audio 27:39

Or the insurers. Yeah. Yeah. Who are just like putting up every single fight that they can, 'cause they obviously don't want to give it to him, but Yeah. Comp complicated issues.

phoebe audio 27:48

Yeah. completely. Well, yeah, It will be interesting to follow Abby's case against Puma as it progresses and we shall keep the listeners updated with any any changes. any changes.

anna audio 28:02

Yeah. All right. so back by popular demand plus, we actually, selfishly really like it.

video 1 28:08

we

anna audio 28:09

are gonna do the am I the asshole again. I once again haven't looked at these, and you have told me to keep this tab shut so I have.

phoebe audio 28:19

Yes.

anna audio 28:20

pretty good by me. I feel like, it's pretty hard. It's like saying like personal diary's on the bench, don't read it. and

phoebe audio 28:28

Don't open it. It's like, it's like putting a marshmallow in front of you and saying, if you don't eat this marshmallow in the next four minutes while I leave the room, you'll get two marshmallows. Delayed gratification. Okay, let's do this. So I have two I on the assholes for you, two listener submissions this week. first one. of my friends have told me I am an asshole for doing this, but I personally think it's fine. Want to hear the cheeky consensus lull. Last year I really wanted to do a particular, very popular marathon in my city. I missed out on tickets initially, but was sure one would pop up. So trained for it anyway, but I could not, for the life of me get a ticket. so on the day I just jumped in a few hundred meters into the race. I stayed out of the way I didn't take a medal or anything. I did cross the line, but just said I'd lost my bib. And now I kind of feel like, what's the point? of trying to get into races or paying for them when they're so expensive and hard to get into. So I have done it again a few times since then I never bother anyone and no one is any the wiser am I the asshole.

anna audio 29:34

Yes,

video 1 29:38

I

anna audio 29:38

I never bother anyone like you're taking up space. I just wanna say Like, it's not as though if you're in a race, you bother people. Do you know what I mean? Like I feel like that is completely irrelevant. You don't... That's just trying to make yourself feel better. Sorry, this is probably really harsh. I think they actually call this, I think it's called banditing

phoebe audio 29:56

Race Bandit there, A race bandit, which I think makes it sound, way too cool.

video 1 30:00

Yeah,

anna audio 30:01

agree. The reason why I don't like it is because I feel like there's some, even kinda in this message, it's a little bit it's like people think they're superior to everyone else and don't have to pay, and don't have to like do the hard yards or miss out or then be like super grateful of the races they get into, I, I completely get the preface and, like, how annoying it is to train for a race, not be able to get a ticket, not get in, feel like you've done all this hard work, yada, yada. yada. But at the end of the day, like, you're not really any more important or superior than anyone else who has paid. And the reason why that event is going on in the first place is because it's made up of participants who have paid for a bib, and that kind of thing. And that's why we can like, have these events. these brands and organizers can't put them on for like no money whatsoever. I feel like there's some sort of,

video 1 30:51

like

anna audio 30:52

superiority thing where if you do that, you kinda think that you're above everyone else. I don't know. what do you

phoebe audio 31:00

I don't know. I didn't know about this. I'm not sure about the superiority thing. I don't know. I, I think I don't, as in, I agree with you, and I would never wanna be seen to be condoning being a race bandit. I think I completely agree on that front. I think I'm a bit more, empathetic in the initial instance of if you've trained for Marathon, done everything you can to buy a ticket, I, I don't know. I know people jump in and pace their friends. I don't think it's relevant to not bother anyone and no one's eyes and, and you're not taking space like, as you said, like of course. I actually don't, I'm sure it wouldn't bother anyone, but I think if everyone had that attitude, we wouldn't have fun runs. And it's that kind of like tragedy of the common thing that like, it feels like it's just you, so it's easy, but it's not really fair on everyone who is paying for racism and trying to do the right thing. But I don't know. Yeah, I'm kind of like, I would be more forgiving. Again, not condoning it, but if it was just once for the marathon, 'cause you were so desperate. to get in and you just, just absolutely couldn't get there. I still don't agree with it, but I would be more like understanding, but now being like, okay, what's the point of paying? I can just jump in. I'm like, no, no, no, no, no. Can't

anna audio 32:10

Yeah, I think that's... Yeah, I feel like that's the bit that annoyed me a little bit with this submission. It's, uh, if it's... Yeah, initially you're like, fair enough. You've trained whatever, do your marathon. maybe don't sort of like announce it to the world what you've done. but then like to continue to do it. I d- I don't

phoebe audio 32:31

Yeah.

anna audio 32:32

rate that. I feel like I'm really brutal with some of these. People are gonna hate me.

phoebe audio 32:36

Um, well,

anna audio 32:37

still love you, whoever this listener. is.

phoebe audio 32:40

Um, yeah, the never listening again after this. No, No, no. They wanted the consensus and they did say their friends. have told them they're an asshole. So I

anna audio 32:48

Yeah, I think it, once off, fair enough. More than once, it's a no-bueno.

phoebe audio 32:54

okay. Next example. This person messaged us saying, I'm at the asshole for yelling at people congregating at bus stops to move so that I can pass on my morning jog without slowing down. I asked for some more details and they said. I experience it on my local loop often, usually a narrow footpath, but sometimes even on wider sections. People heading to school at work, just watch the road waiting for their bus and stand several abreast across the footpath. I just yell from like 20 meters out to move as they typically don't clock me. Maybe not as aggressive as yelling, move, but definitely some passive aggression in there. Eyes up would be what I usually say.

anna audio 33:35

the asshole. you're just alerting them to the fact that you're coming through. There's nothing worse than like if you're standing there and then someone just runs through and you almost get the fright of your life. Maybe there is something in, I don't know if eyes up, I feel like that would, I feel like if I was standing at the bus stop, that would annoy me. But then also at the same time, I've been the person running through things, and people are just like, have their head glued to their phone and I'm like, you're on, you're on a public path.

phoebe audio 34:09

Yeah.

anna audio 34:09

eyes up.

phoebe audio 34:11

I have a question for you. Do you think this was submitted by a, a male or a female?

anna audio 34:16

Male, 100%. A female, a female would stop their jog or around so they wouldn't do it. so they just like, they wouldn't put themselves in that position. But a male is like, "No, this is my path I'm running through."

phoebe audio 34:32

Can you imagine? Yeah, it's a male. It's a, it's, it's someone we know actually. Can you

anna audio 34:37

no.

phoebe audio 34:38

from, from 20 meters out? and this, it's not an aggressive person, I will say, not at all. but from 20 meters out, yelling, yelling,

anna audio 34:46

person

phoebe audio 34:47

yelling, eyes up at a group of people as you ran through.

anna audio 34:52

It would be more like running through, I feel like

phoebe audio 34:55

Excuse me.

anna audio 34:56

female, and being like, "Sorry, sorry, sorry, sorry. Sorry.

video 1 35:00

Yeah.

phoebe audio 35:00

I, I wish for the confidence to, to yell as I approach a group for them to move out of my way. I think if we could all embody that. Oh, eyes on. Yeah. I'm gonna

anna audio 35:12

yeah... if I could do that, I feel like I would I would probably enjoy life more. being like, I don't give a

phoebe audio 35:20

Literally.

anna audio 35:21

But so sorry, sorry, so do we think he's the asshole?

phoebe audio 35:24

No, no, no. I think, I don't think he's the, the asshole for doing this. I think, sorry. I think if you were yelling move. I genuinely would be like, that's, that feels like an asshole thing to do. Move. Like that would be kind of shocking. Eyes up is like, I know he said passive aggressive, but it's kind of funny. Tongue in cheek, like, oh, coming through

anna audio 35:44

yeah. Eyes up.

video 1 35:45

Eyes up.

phoebe audio 35:46

up. Yeah, exactly. So thank you both to both of those, listeners for submitting their, am I the assholes? I think we're gonna try and keep this coming back the next couple of weeks, so keep them coming.

anna audio 35:57

these.

phoebe audio 35:57

yes, please send some through. And I was gonna say feel free to submit them on behalf of your friends if you want to send one through

anna audio 36:04

Yeah, we obviously keep them

phoebe audio 36:06

It's your friend, the asshole. but our final segment today is our realistic rehab diaries. This is replacing the weekly model for Anna because I mean, I personally am so curious to hear about how you're thinking about, you know, your return to running and movement and your plan there. And I thought it would be fun to sort of follow along the journey, how you're thinking about it, what you're learning. So talk us through, give us a bit of a, um, an insight into what that journey's been like so far.

anna audio 36:36

Yeah, so from a few episodes ago when we kind of went through, I guess a bit about like my birth story and how I've been feeling. like I have been feeling really, really good sort of from I mean, a few days post I feel like I, I will say from the top, like I have been really lucky, in that regard. But yeah, so I've started doing the elliptical and then, some kinda, like, at-home Pilates and then rehab stuff that I've been going to the gym for for a few weeks now. and I am like. Absolutely loving it. I had a pelvic floor physio assessment last week and I've kind of like ticked all of the boxes there. which is very exciting because As listeners know, that, w- that's something that I was nervous about. but I've actually, I think I like, went so hard on all the Kegel exercises that, my like pelvic floor's, on the test is like stronger than it was at baseline, which is good.

phoebe audio 37:32

is so good. That is amazing. So is that

anna audio 37:36

tactic to get you to do your physio

phoebe audio 37:38

Literally nothing like telling, threatening your ability to run in the

anna audio 37:42

Yeah.

phoebe audio 37:43

But, so in terms of like the boxes they're checking, is it basically looking at strength coordination?

anna audio 37:49

strength, endurance. so it's actually, they're like, it's an internal examination and they, um, you sort of do these exercises, like there's an endurance hold where you have to sort of, contract your pelvic floor for 60 seconds and then they do, it's like a, contract, relax, like really quickly 10 times. Um,

phoebe audio 38:08

speed, speed, endurance,

anna audio 38:10

speed endurance. Yeah. Yeah, literally. so yeah, it's those ones. And then there's also, there's return to running, like single leg. exercises and like strength things that they, there's like a checklist that they want you to do. Um, which is just like on like public forums and whatever, like it's

phoebe audio 38:27

Yeah. How did you go with,

anna audio 38:29

yeah, can do all of that stuff. Which is good. So yeah, very exciting. I think I, I've been speaking to my old running coach, and I think I'm gonna try some very slight walk-runs

video 1 38:43

the near

anna audio 38:43

in the near future?

phoebe audio 38:45

my God.

anna audio 38:46

I'm talking like 30-second jog, two-minute run.

phoebe audio 38:49

Yeah.

anna audio 38:50

jog, two-minute walk.

phoebe audio 38:52

That is the biggest Freudian slip I've ever.

anna audio 38:55

Yeah. I'm thinking of just doing, like, six 10-minute runs. Continuous.

video 1 39:01

Yeah. And

phoebe audio 39:05

32nd joke, two minute Run. Then I joke for a bit, then I run a bit more. that is so exciting. Wait, so are you saying, and I don't wanna put pressure on, but are you saying maybe this, this time next week if we record, you might have done, as in the next week or in the next

anna audio 39:21

Yeah, I reckon. Yeah.

phoebe audio 39:24

Oh my God,

anna audio 39:24

So yeah, as I, I've been chatting to my old coach and we've like obviously just been trying to be very sensible about it, but it's kind of one of those things that. yeah, I think I'll do like very, very l- light and then see how I pull up the next day and kind of go from there.

phoebe audio 39:40

I feel like you, I can just imagine how excited you are messaging your old coach, being like, oh, gotta get her program up again.

anna audio 39:47

She's like, "Oh, fuck, this chick again."

phoebe audio 39:49

Yeah. She's back already.

anna audio 39:53

She's like, "God, I had a good two-year break."

phoebe audio 39:56

Yeah, true.

anna audio 39:59

Um, It's me. It's me. Hi, I'm, the problem. It's me. anyway, so yeah, so that's been really fun. One thing that I am finding challenging, and I would love to hear from other mums about how they do this. 'cause I find the process like so interesting is just like the logistics and like dynamic of how people get their exercise done like, around breastfeeding. It's just this like whole nother. New, layer of logistics, I guess? particularly because I obviously my like time to do anything is when Dave's not at work.

phoebe audio 40:35

Mm.

anna audio 40:36

and then in the mornings, well, I think at the moment, because we're not in like, a set routine, we never really know what's like gonna happen overnight kind of thing. so yeah, if anyone has any like. Tips or even like, wants to share their experience or like what they, th- what works for them. That would be uh, really good. 'cause at the moment, each morning that I go, we have, like, I always express, I always have, like, a bottle of expressed milk in the fridge, just for like insurance purposes for Dave. But I alwa- like, I, I'm never sure, 'cause depending on like when she's awoken, overnight and fed, I never know if I should like wake her up. before I go to quickly feed her, but then I'm like, I don't wanna wake her up. For the

phoebe audio 41:19

To Totally. Yeah. why don't we do like a reverse q and a on our stories? Let's put up a question. Being like how do people manage balancing it? And then maybe this segment next week we can

anna audio 41:32

we can chat through.

phoebe audio 41:33

Yeah. I like that. Nice.

anna audio 41:37

call-out. But yeah, I'm loving it. It's so

phoebe audio 41:40

So good. Oh my gosh. Well, I think, That is just about all. We've got time for this week and come to next week's. Listener submissions, breastfeeding tips and tricks,

anna audio 41:54

Well, next time, next time we record will we even further away from each other? You'll be in,

phoebe audio 41:59

know.

anna audio 41:59

the US of A.

phoebe audio 42:01

I will be insane. Oh my God.

video 1 42:03

wild,

anna audio 42:04

wild. All right, on that note, also I wanna say apologies for the, um, baby sounds throughout the podcast. They were

phoebe audio 42:13

will like it.

video 1 42:14

it.

anna audio 42:14

Yeah.

phoebe audio 42:15

I know I have told you that. I love it in your voice notes when I can hear flossy making her little, her little, yeah. Literally. Or just like panting, whatever she's doing

anna audio 42:24

yeah. While she's feeding. She's kinda sounds like a pug or like a French bulldog. She's

phoebe audio 42:31

does have a bit of that about it. Um, okay. Well see you next week. Bye. week. Bye.

anna audio 42:42

Um, oh, wait, do we wanna, we gotta do the weekly thingy

video 1 42:46

Hang on.

anna audio 42:48

And I've also just realized that I've got vomit. Oh, sorry, girl, she's vomited. and I haven't realized 'cause I've been too busy

phoebe audio 42:55

Flossy.

video 1 42:56

see,

phoebe audio 42:56

Flossy girl. Chunky

anna audio 42:58

something in the microphone?

phoebe audio 42:59

Hello? Floss. Oh, she's thinking about it.

anna audio 43:05

her first word's cheeky.