Ep 118: Why High-Achieving Women Get Sick After Betrayal (Even When They Stay Strong) with Dr. Jen Draper

If you’re a high-achieving woman who has been through betrayal and your body suddenly started breaking down… this episode will explain why.

In this powerful conversation, Dimple Bindra sits down with Dr. Jen Draper, a former medical doctor who walked away from the system after realizing that many symptoms women experience are not random they are signals.

Together, they explore:
 • Why high-achieving women stay strong… until their body collapses
 • The hidden link between betrayal, stress, and physical illness
 • Why the medical system often labels symptoms instead of understanding them
 • How nervous system dysregulation shows up as anxiety, pain, and chronic conditions
 • The difference between outsourcing your healing vs. learning to trust your body
 • What “nervous system safety” actually looks like in real life

This episode will completely shift how you see your symptoms, your body, and your healing.

If you’ve ever been told “everything looks normal” but you don’t feel okay, this conversation is for you.

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Transcript

If you are a high achieving woman who's been betrayed, you probably didn't fall apart. You kept going, you stayed functional, you stayed strong, and then your body started acting up. Maybe it was an illness, maybe a diagnosis, maybe something that just showed up for you in your present life, but it didn't just show up, and I see this pattern again and again when I work with my clients who survive. Betrayal by just staying strong, by staying hopeful, and then they pay it in their bodies. And today we are gonna talk about that, we're gonna talk about why high achieving women and betrayal and why illnesses all of a sudden appear when you stay strong, so stay tuned.

So my guest today is all the way from Australia, right? Doctor Jen. Yeah, all right.

So, my guest today is Doctor Jen all the way from, I was just confused, I'm like, is it Australia? I don't want to say the wrong country, but yeah, she is from Australia, Doctor Jen Draper.

So Jen spent nearly 30 years inside the medical system as a general practitioner, including owning her own well-being clinic before walking away after burnout and moral exhaustion. She now supports high performing, high achieving women who look fine on the outside, but are running on survival internally. Her work blends neuroscience, nervous system regulation, somatics, and spirituality, and she speaks honestly about what the body is doing when words are no longer enough.

Welcome to the show, Doctor Jen.

Thank you for such a kind introduction, Dimple, I am very pleased to be here today.

And I'm so pleased that you are here as an international expert on our topic today, so thank you for joining. Before we talk about patterns, I want to start with you.

What was happening in your own life and body that led you to walk away from medicine?

Well, that's a really good question, and I have had plenty of time to reflect upon this now since it is nearly 2 years to the day since I walked away, and the main thing was that I was finding myself every day having a constellation of somatic symptoms, and I had been down, many different therapeutic paths in within the realms of what I was aware and using for my patients, using on myself.

I'm sure you've all heard the terminology physician heal thyself. And I was not successful, and I was enlisting the assistance of other physicians and also alternative practitioners, acupuncturists, chiropractors. I even had an orthopedic surgeon, and the main symptom that I had was I had immense pain in my feet, with every step that I would take, and I also had, A mental health condition which I had previously been able to manage and keep a stability in terms of my mood and my affect, and my concentration, and that was becoming increasingly more and more difficult for me to do while I was working, in a high level, high capacity, being the team leader in an integrative medical practice, I was working 5 days a week, but I was also on call 24/7, so a couple of years before I'd stopped, I'd cut down to 4 days a week.

And I was working with a team of people and those people would give me treatments in amongst my daily life, but yet I was still experiencing these very strong symptoms, and then one day I actually had an appointment with a financial advisor. Advisor and, I just decided that I wasn't going to go back again, and I had my team trying to successfully recruit a locum doctor to continue on with all of the appointments that we had booked, and because I had a team of 9 staff, but unfortunately it was the type of practice that I had created, this wellbeing clinic, as you said.

Was an a very complicated model, and it hinged around the dynamics of my brain being a high achieving woman, having attracted a particular clientele who really just wanted to see me. So without me being there, there wasn't going to be the supply that the demand was asking for, so it was a very difficult decision.

But I actually listened to what my body was telling me and I had not through the modalities that I had within my toolkit up to that point in time, been able to silence those bodily symptoms, so I actually paid attention to them and stopped, and it took some time for them to recover, but they did.

Wow, that is crazy because I have heard these stories where you are a doctor yourself, and then all of a sudden you realize that as you're serving your patients, and as you're serving your clientele, you yourself need a doctor, you know, and that, and I think I can echo to that as well when I was teaching yoga.

At multiple corporations, and when I finally decided I'm no longer going to be physically teaching anymore, everyone was like, oh my God, what's gonna happen? Who's gonna teach? And I'm like, figure it out. I can't because I am burnt out, you know, my body is screaming for help.

So, I would love to know when you look back now, now that you're not in that phase, what do you see that you couldn't see when you were still pushing through?

Probably what I couldn't see was that I had been having those signals going for so long, and I was pushing through thinking that I could just, suppress them, utilizing whatever tools that I had, whether they were painkillers or, modifying my activity, doing exercises, and really, when I looked energetically, the significance of every step giving you pain, the medical diagnosis for those who are interested was plantar fasciitis, which is, a condition that eventually leads to heel spurs and, Is definitely related to being overweight, which I have been for the majority of my adult life, but it also energetically was signifying that the steps that I were taking were not in the right direction.

That was of benefit to my higher self.

So, what I can see now, now that I work with people, Energetically, and I trust that they actually know within themselves that they are the highest authority for themselves, that what we have the ability to do is to insource as opposed to outsourcing.

So, I'll just give a definition to that, if you say that you need a doctor, then you are outsourcing. You're not trusting that your body's signals, are able to be interpreted within your sphere of experience to alter your, physiology, your, your beliefs, your actions, to a state of alignment that feels sustainable for you.

You're saying, I'm gonna outsource that because here's a symptom which can be fixed, and, 9 times out of 10, things are not fixed in medicine, they are suppressed, and that suppression is a band-aid solution, which, unless you keep it up, once you rip that band-aid off, that original core problem is still there.

So now, doing the work that I do, and that has only been through a period of complete breakaway from the system, And recognizing that that outsourcing of our own self-trust has been indoctrinated in us from a very young age in Western civilization, and even in Eastern civilization as well, because we like to respect people who we believe have more knowledge than ourselves, and, for some reason, doctors are right up there along with teachers, yoga teachers included.

And we trust that others are coming from that place of benevolence and wanting to help others, but what that then means is those people in that respected authority are often in a position where they can't help themselves, so they then outsource and then they outsource, and where does it end?

It, it, it needs to come full circle and I feel that they're, In our society is too much emphasis placed on suppressing body's signals, also known as symptoms, and managing them, putting them into some kind of a pattern that allows them to be then labeled, as in a diagnosis, and that then gives permission for, Whatever is the strategy of management to continue on.

So it keeps us looping in this cycle of co-dependency with our caregivers, and of course, you know, people are social creatures. We do need those networks, we do need to belong. But that can be taken to that point of extreme wherein everything is outsourced and then you lose the self-trust and you know, you take it to the point now where here we are relying upon artificial intelligence to keep us in that place and can you see what is happening to the human spirit.

You know, this, this self-trust that as a high achieving woman, you would think that you have within yourself, it's being outsourced that is putting you into this very dangerous situation wherein where does it stop, where are your boundaries? When do you actually learn that you are of value and you can love and honor yourself, and have balance that allows you to be in the now. As opposed to always moving into that future.

Right.

So in your situation, because you were already create, like I would say, you didn't create it consciously, but you unconsciously created your illness, right?

And I usually say this to my clients, I say that. Sometimes women who are betrayed, they are betrayed from the outer world, because, number one, what you said is you outsource your power. But I also feel that we are betrayed by outer world because we are betraying ourselves.

So in your case, would you, how would you say that your body was communicating with you before even your mind was ready to listen? Was it the pain? Was it anything else that you felt?

It was definitely the pain, it was also the instability of my emotions, and as, as the high achiever, as the doctor, you know, it is expected of you, that's another word that I really dislike, expectations, because we're going into the future and we are projecting, and we will perceive what it is that we project.

And I, because of that point that I was in, where I was starting to recognize this pattern of outsourcing, and I felt like a pedestaling of myself through the patients who were, Seeking my opinion. I, I don't even use that word anymore, because opinions are like assholes, we all have one.

but I use lived experience through my lived experience and my training and putting that into practice, which is, you know, such a words have so many meanings when you start to be really conscious of how you use them.

But I, as I was seeing what is the patterning of, the system, I, I call it the system or the global industrial medical complex or, you know, whatever, but I'm also talking about society, I started reflecting philosophically upon that, and I would actually introduce that into my consultation with people, which would literally rock them.

Because they were not in a position where they were coming, asking to get to the root cause. They just wanted quick fixes.

So that was showing up for me as that there was all of this energy within me that needed to move, and energy that's moving is emotion, so I would become quite emotional, as I am now, tears would come, and I would recognize.

That that had nowhere to go in this realm. I was not in a position where I could be a crying doctor and offer comfort for them who is meant to be the one who's in the distress.

Like, you don't want to go to a doctor who can't fix themselves or is more sick than you are.

And when I started realizing that I was more distressed than my patients, that's when I, I, and I did have my own doctor, like when I imply that it happened one day, I decided to not come back, I had a plan, because all high achieving women have a plan, so I had already 18 months before that been to my own doctor and said, I am starting to recognize these signals within my body that is telling me that I have lost faith in the system within which I am trained.

And I have spent so much money training myself in other modalities to bring to the coalface, as it were, using things like integrative medicine, using intravenous vitamin therapies, and, but what I hadn't trained in was actually looking deeper inside internally, because, within the space of a consultation and the framework of medicine, There was no time or funding for that modality, and it was not a quick fix, and I knew that the people who were coming to me, even though they had built relationships with me over a long period of time and I knew their families and their environment really, really well, The clinical consultation room was not the appropriate environment for doing the deeper kind of work that I now conduct online over Zoom with people in the safety of their own environment and me facilitating them going into their subconscious.

So it just wasn't gonna work, so I, I, all of that was coming together.

I didn't know about that subconscious work at that very much time when, as you said, I was in that position where what sort of signals, I just had this inner knowing.

That there was a different path for me and I trusted myself to break the patterns that were there of me enabling people in this cycle of codependency, and I trusted that, If that was what they were seeking, there were other providers who could continue to provide those solutions for them, that, that there was a different kind of work that I needed to do for myself, and I felt that eventually I would, Create some, I, I would find a modality that could do that deeper work for me, but at that point when I left in, February 2024, March 2024, I didn't know what that was going to be, but I trusted that the universe would present it to me the more that I got in touch with my body.

That's amazing, and thank you for sharing what you went through and thank you for actually being vulnerable because not everyone has the guts and the strength, you know, to speak their story and then come out in the world and say, hey, here's what I was struggling with, and now I understand what I was struggling with, and now I'm helping other people, you know, so you're doing great work, Doctor Jen.

So I'm.

You're most welcome.

I would like to just go into the other side of the table where clients or patients that were coming to you, after your own experience, what did you begin to notice in your high achieving women clients who came to you with unexplained illnesses or symptoms?

Yeah, so I think you, you, you hit upon it when you said about betrayal, because I would like to explain that I don't see betrayal as just meaning infidelity. it would even include just feeling being unseen or unheard within your relationships, or betraying yourself, like I was doing. Staying when my body was saying no, or betrayal by the systems that you put your faith in, medicine, authority, or roles that you sacrificed yourself for.

So, you're not failing, you're just holding it all together.

And when you're holding it all together, Your, your nervous system starts saying, well, I'm in this state of fight or flight, and fight or flight is a protective mode that is meant to be brief and short-lived and then met with rest.

So our nervous system, which is the buzzword for it, I used to, when I was a medical doctor call it autonomic nervous system, but now it's just abbreviated to nervous system. but that is, you know, it's, it's a short-term thing, it's designed for accelerate and then back off and break, which is parasympathetic or the rest and digest side of it.

So, if you can imagine that if you are continuously overriding and feeling like you're betrayed and your thoughts are keeping that within you, Then, and you're not expressing it into your consciousness, then our brain has this amazing mechanism, which is very predominant when we are developing, wherein if there's an experience that is too painful for our consciousness, then it gets suppressed down into our subconscious, and our subconscious has a map that is our body.

And so bodily symptoms often have a component of emotional or energetic correlation.

And so in my case, moving forward in the wrong direction for me, my body registered as pain in my feet with every step.

some other examples of unexplained physical symptoms that I have found now in my clients, because when I was, remember when I was a doctor, I didn't have this concept, but so in my clients now that working with using the, Techniques that I do, I had a client who every time, well, her, her presenting symptom was that she actually used to be my patient as well, and saw me about it back then, was that she would have almost daily headaches, and they would most characteristically come on at around about midday.

she might take some pain relief, analgesia, but it would make very little difference, and it was almost a predictable signal and got to the point where they, she called them migraines, and you know, she was, like, as her GPI had her referred to neurologists and, you know, all of these different medications and strategies, etc. anyway.

After I'd taken the break and gone away, little did I know until she came to me seeking my help as a client, that her symptoms had continued, but they had escalated to the point where not only was she getting daily headaches when she was at work, but then when she went off work and took a holiday, and her high-performing nervous system, which kind of kept her going, going and holding it all together while she was at work, Finally said, oh, you're on holidays now, we're not gonna hold it together for you, those symptoms deteriorated, they didn't get better, they got worse, to the point where she was vomiting so profusely that she was in intensive care.

So that was a way to end your holiday, because underneath it all was this very disregulated nervous system, which was keeping going in fight or flight, which is foot on the accelerator the whole time.

And that isn't designed to be long-term, so she, through the work that we did, recognized that her subconscious stories, which included, a, an avoidance of these emotions that were stored within her body and keeping a lid on it, so that energy was stagnating, it wasn't moving, she wasn't processing emotions.

Came out in physical symptoms, because it takes so much energy to keep that foot on the accelerator and energy can neither be created nor destroyed.

So it's gotta go somewhere, and it goes into these physical symptoms that you then outsource help for, so, she doesn't need to outsource anymore.

During the course of her treatment, in a conjunction with her general practitioner and feeling, Empowered in herself and trusting herself, she gradually, gradually weaned down her medication, and her symptoms completely resolved, she went on a holiday, she reconnected with her relationship, and she's gone back to work in a capacity which is not repeating those same cycles, which she was in before she went to the healing phase, so it's been a really good ending for the story for her.

Wow.

So yeah, I hope that answers the question.

Yeah, it totally does.

So what would you say as your years, have you, as you worked in your clinic or the hospital where you worked at, what did, what did the medical system struggle to understand about women whose symptoms didn't even have a clear cause, because when I get calls from my clients who would say things like, I'm getting this pain, but the doctor says it's clear. You know, or the X-ray doesn't show anything, or the MRI is clear. So what would you say? What is your opinion on that? Like, how do they handle it?

Yeah, well, what my lived experience is on that, is that those doctors are also outsourcing their authority.

So it's, it's, as I said, it's that continuum of where do you stop with the passing the buck, which is another word for outsourcing.

And so how I would say that the medical system fails is that the doctor is indoctrinated to trusting the system within which they are trained.
So that they are of the experience, that if it's not within their lived experience and they can't refer on to find someone who it's within their experience, then they call it idiopathic.
So idiopathic meaning we don't know, and we don't know what's causing it, and, so the other, the other competing factor is, People are encouraged to, when they outsource and they go to a health professional, be looking for an explanation which is a diagnosis or a label, and, They, sometimes, symptoms are part of a bigger history, so that it all together makes sense and is a pattern that's recognized by the health professional as, well, this kind of pattern and history is most likely this diagnosis, and then they will often give a differential and maybe do some lab tests to back up the, Hypothesis that they are making for the diagnosis.
but if it's outside of their experience, and that they don't find any supporting evidence, they then put it back on the woman who's suffering, to say, Oh, well, it's probably in your head.
You know, you're, you're making these things up.
And that, of course, then shames the woman.
Into staying strong and soldiering on, so they get in that vicious cycle or they might go seek a second opinion, or they might go to an alternative healer or an energy, practitioner, and they might start to chip away at some of the experience of the physical or emotional symptoms that they're feeling.
But, what I would do, in my lived experience now, is I would say, at the very outset, what do you believe is the root cause of what is going on with you right now?
And I don't feel that the system gives practitioners the time nor permission to ask that very humbling question.
Because they've got to bring themselves down to the level of the woman, and guess what?
They're both just people.
You know, we are all really not so dissimilar.
We just have different faces and different lived experiences, but physiologically and energetically, and even to a DNA basis, we are all so similar.
So humility, humility, I think is what is missing.
The missing piece.
And I have certainly been humbled by my experiences.
Wow, that is actually a very, very good point that if doctors can start adopting that, then maybe they'll be kicked out.
Of their jobs because maybe they just can't be doing that, you know, they have to write a prescription, they have to give them a diagnosis, which is kind of crazy to me so I wanna also ask because this is something that I personally also dealt with and some of my clients have dealt with, why do you think high achieving women tend to turn any illness into another personal failure instead of a message?
Yeah, that's, that's a really good question.
so, Responsibility.
And perhaps also that sequence that I was speaking about wherein.
If it is, if, if they've already outsourced and they've gone to seek attention and not been given an explanation, then the shame.
Oh, it's my fault, it's a failure.
And also because I feel that, accepting, as, as the capable one, as the one that holds it together, you are relied upon to keep going.
And so, very often your needs are minimized, and if you have had that pattern and that role that you've adopted, Of being capable, and it's led to being a high achiever in your career, in your relationships, in your life, then that, it's very rare that you will see a, like, we're all about balance, and patterns tend to, if there is a mask that you are putting on, when you are being pushed out of your comfort zone, say in your high achieving, Then in your home place, you will tend to take off that mask.
It's like when you go to work and you're wearing your corporate gear, etc.
What's the first thing you do when you get home?
You know, take your makeup off, have a shower, and get into your, your daggies, as we call them in Australia.
I don't know what you, what is your, your daggies, like your tracky bums or your, you know, your slug about the house clothes.
So that that external appearance, if, if you're, you know, in corporate or you're in some kind of a profession where there is some kind of a uniform that you need to wear to be performing that role, and then, you know, in your home life, you may find, and in a lot of cases I do see this, that, that capability and carrying for others, Almost flips in complete reverse, so that and and and often, it will be the most successful relationships wherein the woman is able to, because to be a highly high achiever, you're very much in your masculine element, and so, Your in your relationships, in your home life, for a woman who is very strong in her masculine in her career, to feel balanced and fulfilled, she's got to be able to shift into, A feminine in a successful relationship, because that's, you know, the universe is full of polarization, and if we don't take advantage of that polarization, then we miss out on the balance that is nature.
So I, feel that, That can be a secret that Women who are recognizing that they are high achievers, can draw upon to give themselves the the comprehension of why they like to be like they are in those different spheres and have that without any beating themselves up, but when they have a physical illness, that's potentially unsettling that balance that they may have in there, Then it's the threat of that unsettling things that they may then think of as a personal failure, which may lead to it as it did in my case, decompensating of the masculine in the career capacity and overcompensating of the masculine in the relationship, so that nice balance that I kind of had going, went awry, so it's, it's a pattern that, you know, it, Observing what has been your patterns and reconnecting with, where they have come from with the stories that you've been telling yourself through your life, through your experiences that, and starting to recognize the way that your brain works, and with compassion, feeling into things and trusting yourself, that it, it, is never gonna be perfect.
There is no such thing as perfectionism.
I used to love saying, you are perfectly imperfect.
Mhm.
I, those sorts of, of, of, thoughts and modalities is how I feel is part of the reason as to why women will take that physical illness as being a personal failure, because it's, it's just such a perceived threat, and of course, you know, this is not all woo, I speak a lot in terms of energy.
because I find that the simplest way to make an explanation for it, but the physiology of your body responds, not only to your perception, visually and through your senses, but your thoughts, and in fact, your physiology cannot differentiate between, What is real and what is imagined, it's just as powerful and in fact what is real and what is imagined, like when we look at quantum physics, two people can look at the same thing and see different perceptions because of their own physiology, their own, unique, perception, based on their lived experience, so.
That probably got a little bit tangential, which often happens, and I'm OK with that.
That's that's cool I hope, I hope it, I hope it addressed the the curiosity that you had, so yeah, this podcast is totally conversational, so you can say whatever comes to your heart and you and your mind, and you can blend it all in, so it's all good.
I would love for you to touch base on the actual healing of these women, you know, who have been systematically betrayed, betrayed by infidelity, betrayed by parents, so just all forms of betrayal.
And Because I'm also writing a book, by the way.
So within the book, I talk about nervous system safety for women who are betrayed.
I would love for you to touch base on people here nervous system safety, and they think it's abstract, but what does it actually look like in real life if a woman decides she needs to really keep her nervous system safe?
How would she feel?
So here is a woman in the past who's feeling inflammation, sleep issues, you know, and you mentioned.
Migraines and headaches for, for your client, but when a woman really works on these nervous system safety, what, what does she have to do to get to that safe place?
Well, the first thing is, is to start recognizing that the bodily symptoms that you experience are messages.
They are signals.
And, yeah.
So, so when You talk about nervous system safety, one of the good, examples to contrast with nervous system dysregulation and feeling unsafe, is the problem of anxiety, which, you know, anxiety is not a feeling.
Anxiety is a thinking process, and it's moving into the future.
It's having these thoughts that are putting you into a state where there's then a bodily sensation associated with it, and I used to describe it almost like as a chicken and egg.
But in actual fact, I now through my lived experience and learning and researching and, I believe very strongly that it is the bodily sensation that comes first, and then the anxious thoughts that are trying to make sense of that bodily sensation.
And curiously, when we keep going with the, the example of anxiety, and we're aiming to describe what it is when you have an integrated or a regulated nervous system.
those bodily sensations will tend to form some kind of a pattern that is unique to you.
So, many people, when I ask them, what does anxiety mean to you?
or how does it feel to you, rather than what does it mean, how does it feel to you, they'll, they'll say things about, Oh, I get sweaty palms, I get a dry mouth, I feel my heart racing, I feel butterflies in my stomach.
And I'm like, Yeah, I, I, I am hearing what you're saying.
But I'm wondering, when you start to be aware of all of those things, has there been something else that you felt in your body before those, messages are coming to you?
And they might say things like, oh, well, yeah, actually I get this feeling in my lower abdomen, and, well, it's actually there right now.
and so, an exercise, which can be really useful to, bring you back to a state of grounding, and recognizing that your body is sending you messages, is to, with a compassionate curiosity, Acknowledge that those bodily sensations, I've already told you earlier in this talk, they are linked in with your subconscious, and so there's a, Part within your subconscious, which has some energy there, which has not yet moved, it's been stored, and you are actually, can't consciously interpret all the meanings and make sense of it, so your body is doing the work for you.
Your body is giving you a lesson.
Which, if you are curiously compassionate, and give gratitude for that sensation, And you do recognize that it will have come from somewhere along your timeline, and you may not be able to pinpoint exactly when, but here's this familiar sensation that's coming regularly.
And your strategy up until this point in time has been to try and make sense of it.
And you might have been someone who, with health anxiety, continuously goes to a doctor to say that tummy pain's back again, or a little child who's continuously getting tummy pain on mornings when it's, say, time to go to school, and the parent doesn't make the link that they're anxious about going to school, and their, their body is giving them a message.
And so, Tuning in to that sensation without needing to explain it in terms of events that have happened, but rather, swapping your awareness into choosing to give it some descriptive terms.
So, oh, it's warm, it's round, it's smooth, it's oscillating, it's just there, and I'm so grateful that it's there at the moment.
The subconscious deals in positives.
Our conscious mind will often say, it's not, it's not, what if, asking lots of questions, what could it be?
Whereas our subconscious deals in stories.
So if we can start to reprogram our subconscious by telling our subconscious a story about this sensation, which sits with us and keeps us from going into the monkey mind, arguing, questioning state, Then we're sitting more in our unconscious, and just with gratitude, we are accepting that that sensation is a part of our lived experience.
Without needing to give it an explanation, that's one little example of how women can learn to accept these parts of ourselves that give us a signal, which previously, perhaps we've worried about, and then we start getting the tingling and the dry mouth and the heart's racing and things like that, and, We might then take it the next step, once we've got that new story of what that sensation is, and we are comfortable with that story, we might then start to, with curiosity once again, take note of the circumstances in which we experience that message and that bodily sensation.
And we might notice that we experience it after we've done some exercise, or we've, you know, been with a particular individual who's part of our realm of people that we deal with.
for me, I got it each morning when I walked to work.
so, but that was more of a physical, symptom with, you know, being on the, but look, it's the same kind of metaphor that we're dealing with, and metaphors are just stories.
They sit with our subconscious in a way wherein we can feel that connectedness with not being just the unique, it, like, we're not isolated, we are connected in with this oneness.
So.
That's one example.
I don't know, do you want me to give more, or does that feel like that could be of some usefulness for people?
That's definitely very useful.
So basically, I'm just gonna recap.
So what Doctor Jen is actually saying is that we, once you, once you know what your, whatever your illness is, right, and please correct me, Doctor Jen, once we know what the illness is, basically sit with ourselves so that we can actually give it a name.
And once we give it a name, we are, we are actually gonna go deeper into not the fearful state of the mind that's gonna say, what if this anxiety turns into this and I should get a medication, but instead sit with yourself, give it a name, and then have compassion towards your body and be grateful that now your body has given you a message, so now you can do something about it.
Sort of shutting it down again, right?
Is that, is, is that what you're saying, right?
The only, the only clarification I would say is, you called it an illness, and I would use that word interchangeably.
Illness is implying that there's disease, that there's moving towards some kind of labeled diagnosis.
We don't even need to take it there, we can just sit with the sensation that feels, Feels different to how our body normally feels, but it will often be a repeated sensation, if it's in this pattern that's forming a pattern in our mind and we're starting to become aware of it.
So I just probably wouldn't call it an illness, but many people will take that sensation to a health professional and then turn it into an illness, because that health professional then gets your permission to start investigating.
So my whole thing is, You can start doing that investigation yourself by insourcing, and then instead of having to be a patient, you can become an un-patient.
And that's probably, that's my book, yes.
So that's probably a, a good sequel to, lead into saying that, yes, I wrote a book about this, because it's all about becoming unpatient.
So, resourcing yourself internally, so that you have this degree of self-trust, because the system profits from your ongoing disconnection, and your lack of self-trust.
So, the The more disconnected you are from these bodily symptoms by outsourcing to get some kind of label and explanation moving into the monkey mind, the less connected you are with your nervous system, which brings you back to that self-restoring.
So, you've gotta remember that the body has this amazing capacity called homeostasis, which means bringing back into balance.
It's a universal force that we all possess.
And we are encouraged through modern society to be disconnected from that, including medicine in that modern society, so.
Love that.
Thank you so much for letting us know that now you don't have to outsource, you just have to insource it back to yourself and instead of becoming a patient, you can become an un-patient, so please get her book.
So Doctor Jen, tell us, where can we find your book and where.
And where should people contact you when they want to work, and I just wanna like remind you that I will add her information on the show notes.
Yeah, so, my book is available through my website, which is wellbeing holistic.net/book-unpatient.
so I will give you that link to include with the show notes, and, my main website has got my link to book a call with me.
I start with every individual who wants to consider working with me with a free call, just to assess at what level of readiness you are for change, and of course also to work if there's an energetic synchrony between us, meaning that you get a good vibe when you chat to me and I likewise get the same with you.
Because your work needs to be pleasurable.
I mean, we're all professionals, we all, are able to self-advocate and that means that I don't work with just anyone, I work with people who are really ready to invest into themselves and regain that self-trust that, and I also work with a lot of people who haven't had success within the system.
So, yeah, so, and it's, it's interesting because when I was within the system, I had that reputation for attracting people who wanted to think outside the box, but even that wasn't as outside the box as it needed to go, it, it, it actually needed to go completely inside the box, within yourself, that's where the answers are within you.
Thank you, Doctor Jen, you are a true testament to medicine.
And metamorphosis.
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