103: Your Subconscious Is Controlling Your Money… Here’s How W/Megan Blacksmith

If you’ve ever felt like you’re making money… but it just disappears, this episode is going to click.

In this conversation with NLP trainer Megan, we break down:

•  Why money comes in and goes right back out 
•  The subconscious patterns running your financial decisions 
•  How your beliefs about money were formed (and how to shift them) 
•  A powerful “money = water” metaphor that will completely change how you think about budgeting 

This episode will help you stop blaming yourself and start understanding what’s actually going on beneath the surface.

Because when you create safety with money… everything starts to change.

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Catch Megan's "Metaphor to Millions" training HERE

xoxo,
Rachel

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Transcript

Welcome And Meet Megan

SPEAKER_03 0:04

Hello and welcome back to the Money Mom podcast. I am so excited about today's episode. I have a dear friend here who we're just we we're gonna kind of roll with this and see where it goes. Um I worked with Megan for what we've known each other for about two and a half years now. Um we're in a similar business coaching container, but she's also helped me on the side with some of my own um limiting beliefs, things that have kept me stuck. And she she is, I'm gonna let Megan, I'm gonna let you introduce yourself because you'll do a much better job. But I feel like we are in for such a treat today with you here on this episode.

NLP And The Subconscious Playbook

SPEAKER_01 0:39

Thank you for having me, Rachel. I am very excited about today because recently, you know, when all of a sudden all the things start to connect in a way in your brain that you're like, oh, I can really, really explain this. Money specifically, I've been having some huge aha's from watching hundreds of clients that I have, what works and when money flows to them and when it doesn't. So that is what we're gonna talk about. I'm excited to dig in. My background, I am a trainer, an NLP trainer, which what is NLP? It's neurolinguistic programming. And again, what is that? So, this is the idea that success leaves clues. The idea that if someone does something really well, you can elicit their strategy for it, you can elicit their beliefs for it, you can find out what were they saying to themselves, what were they thinking, what were they feeling, what were they hearing, what what did it look like? And taking that that someone is doing well, and you can literally map it across to something you want to do. Or it could be an area of your life where you do things, where you feel like I'm really powerful, I'm really abundant, I'm great in this area. You can take that set of strategies and bring it over to another area. Because often people have one area of life they feel great about, and another, they're like, I don't know what happens when I step into a relationship or when I step into the money role, I turn into this different person. So we can use where we're good at something in one and bring it into another.

SPEAKER_03 2:08

Oh, that's fascinating. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:11

It's all about language and how the language communicates to our brain, communicates to our mind how we what we believe about ourselves and therefore what we believe is possible.

SPEAKER_03 2:21

Yeah. And I mean, that was a really beautiful description of it. I don't know if I've ever heard of NLP described that way. I mean, I'm pretty new into the world of NLP, but um, I love this idea this idea that the subconscious is always running the show, right? And so when we can get the I I imagine that you're just like getting deeper into that subconscious of what is the subconscious, how is that working in this situation of my life? Well, then I can then retrain the subconscious in this area of my life. Correct.

SPEAKER_01 2:51

100%. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 2:52

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:53

We're doing it well in one area, then we know we can. We know it's possible. It's just what is it about this other area of life that we have beliefs or sticking points, or just, you know, we're gathered, we've gathered evidence from all the past experiences that we that this area is never gonna work. So it's just discovering that and then unlocking the potential we we already have.

SPEAKER_03 3:16

Yeah, and it's about creating curiosity and awareness around that. Because a lot of people don't even know what's what's happening, even when they're being successful, they don't know why that is, right?

SPEAKER_00 3:27

Right. How did I get here? Yeah. You just did, yeah.

Why Budgeting Feels Restrictive

SPEAKER_03 3:29

Yeah. So tell me a little bit about what you're uncovering right now with money. And this obviously we're the this is the Money Mom podcast, so we're here because we want to be better with money. So tell me about that.

SPEAKER_01 3:41

Recently, I've gotten, I mean, I've always been a powerful storyteller. I that's how I communicate with people. I naturally tell stories, and I decided to teach a class on metaphors and how to, I really wanted to think about how do I create these stories that then create change for clients or create change in our mind. And in the process, I really dug into the ones that work well and the ones that maybe don't. And so in one of our classes, a woman came and she said, Megan, I know that I could use a budget. It was about money and about budgeting. She said, I am getting really good at making money. And then it just poof, goes away. It's in and it's out. And she said, I know, I know, I should. She's using the should word, but I know I should have a budget or a plan, and I don't want to. It feels so restrictive. Um, I don't even want to look at it because then I'm gonna have to do something about it. I'm sure you've heard all these things.

SPEAKER_02 4:39

Yep, yep, yep.

Building A Container For Money

SPEAKER_01 4:40

And so I'm thinking, okay, what's a story or what's an example, right? Because when we tell stories, because I could just give you evidence, I could say, well, Rachel, if you do this process, if you follow the process you're teaching, you will have more money. But we don't really argue, um, reality doesn't really work for the subconscious. And it doesn't really work for other people to just say, here's the hard reality, so get on board. There it's an immediate rejection. Well, not always, but if unless someone's very open, most of the time it's a rejection. But when we tell a story that allows them to see another option, then storytelling uh goes into the subconscious. It goes into the part of us where, like you said, where 90 to 95% of the time the subconscious is running the show. So these are all of our strategies, our habits, our beliefs, they're in there. And these were formed under seven years old of age, most of them, unless we've actually gone back to do work to change them. Those were in there. So whenever people are beating themselves up about their money beliefs or their beliefs around how worthy they are, or beliefs just around life itself, and they're beating themselves up for having this belief, like I should know better. I'm like, this wasn't your belief. Like, whose belief? If seven years old, did you decide that based on a lot of evidence? Or were you told this? You know, did you experience a couple interactions with humans and you said, okay, when I see that face, that person's mad, don't do that. When I see that face, that person's happy, do more of that, right? So don't make that person mad, don't be too loud. This person likes jokes, right? So we're just learning from our environment, downloading all these beliefs, they become, they become law. They become what we're we're operating on automatically, which is important because otherwise every single day we'd be getting up trying to decide, what do I believe today, right? Like we need these are programs, they're they're the brain works on efficiency. So it makes sense. And all these things that are in there, some are great, some are super empowering, and some are not. Especially with money, we might just have the like money doesn't grow on trees, money is evil, money doesn't flow. People who like money are evil, right? There can be all these money beliefs in there. And discovering and pulling them out is where we can shift it. So back to the budgeting person who was saying, I don't want to budget. She's telling me I really, really don't want to budget. And I know if I had some kind of plan, I know I would be better off. And from my personal experience, when I finally implemented a system for where does the money go when it comes in, as soon as I implemented that system, more money was flowing in. Because there's this level of safety in trusting myself that I'm not just gonna send it back out or actually spend more or get get myself into situations so as the money flows in. So I was trying to think of a story. I'm like, what's a story I could tell that would show this example that actually having a place for it, like having a system, having the budget will allow for more. And in the three in the morning, Rachel, my metaphor woke me up. And I was like, I had to write it down real quick. And so the metaphor is about water. So think about you know, water. We all love water. We um need it to survive. We drink it, we bathe in it, we use water all the time. And we want to have access to water and clean water. And I've been in countries where they don't, and you know, they're walking miles just to get drinking water. So it's a huge deal to have clean water. And so, as the water, most of us have water in our homes, and then we have a different container that that water is gonna go into. So I'm thirsty, I want a cup of water, I have a little small container, and I go to the faucet. And then I also want to have a I want to have a big container of water to back up to that faucet, right? So that when I do turn it on, it'll flow through. And then I also want to be able to take a bath. So I have like a whole bathtub. I've got different size containers for the water that I want and need. And so this is great. The water is great. Turn it on to flow whenever I want, and it's great to have. Now imagine that now in my bathroom, there is no actual bathtub, but there's a faucet. So a faucet of flowing water flowing into no bathtub for a person who bought a home who had mold in it. We don't want water flowing right into not a container, right? So now you turn on the water, water's great. We want abundant water, and now it's just flowing into a bathroom. It's flowing under the floors, it's ruining the floors, it's getting underneath, it's seeping into everything, and water flowing into just an open space is actually incredibly damaging. It can ruin your whole house, and it has. So I was like, oh, this is just the perfect example of as soon as now, as soon as the water was turned on full blast into this bathroom that has no container. Now, what do we need to do? We I need to go shut the water source off and go to the house and we're like, we can't even have the water, can't even be on. So now I can't even go get a cup of water. Wow.

SPEAKER_03 9:59

That's landing. It's landing.

SPEAKER_01 10:01

So this is we are um we are shutting off the source when we don't have a place for it to go. Because why would it come in? I mean, we know it's not safe for it to just flow in if there's nowhere for it to go. And this is just beautiful water that we all would agree is great for us until you think about it in that context.

SPEAKER_03 10:22

Right. Well, and and when we have a place for it, we trust ourselves to be able to hold more water. And that's a huge aspect of the block, right? Is I don't I don't have anywhere for it to go. So I don't want more of it. No way.

SPEAKER_01 10:37

Right. More of it will actually ruin something. And many people do believe that or have had experiences of that in some way. But the bigger container, so the more we grow our, you know, metaphorical tub, like the more we grow our container, the more we can actually hop, the more we can have for backlog of water.

SPEAKER_03 10:57

Wow. Wow. Right. That was that's a super powerful metaphor. I love that.

SPEAKER_01 11:02

I know. Three in the morning. It was a good one. That's when the good getting up for.

SPEAKER_03 11:06

Did you tell the woman that metaphor? And how did it land for her?

SPEAKER_01 11:10

Oh, she loved it. She said, This is so fascinating. I have never once had anyone actually attempt to re-reframing is like the NLP word we use for shifting the shifting the idea of a budget. So I've really only had people just kind of make arguments for why I should. And that's the difference between powerful um language and communication of not ever really convincing or persuading or pushing someone, it's giving them more options. It's saying, okay, budget could mean restriction. It also could mean a lot more freedom. It also could mean a lot more flow. And then most people are like, I like that definition. If there's if this is a choice, because we're always just choosing every day what we believe. If it's a choice, I'm like, well, that seems like a more empowering belief. That seems like I'd like that. And so then she was immediately realizing, well, I'm willing, I'm willing to set up a structure under that, under that context, because this feels like this feels worth it. This doesn't feel like it's shutting off the flow. And she could immediately see, yeah, I have been shutting off the flow because I do not trust myself. I do not trust myself when it comes in. She's like, not only does it go out, but I feel like I actually send more out than I even have. Like now I'm getting into debt. Now I'm buying things that I wouldn't have. So a lot of mistrust in herself, which now she's starting to see, oh, it was just about the container. I just didn't have a container.

SPEAKER_03 12:43

Well, and I see this so often with people who are well, I mean, we all do this, right? We're walking through life and we just believe that what our reality is, like how we perceive reality, that's that's how it is. That there's no other options for how we could think differently. And sometimes it takes somebody on the outside to say, your context, your your lens that you're looking through is only one path forward. And that's why you've been feeling stuck, is because you're just going down the same path and there's roadblocks. But what if we went this other way? Like what if, what if this also could be true or this could be true? And there's always, you know, there's probably infinite number of different ways to look at a problem. But the way that our brains work is we want to solve the problem that we think exists, right? And so, and so sometimes it takes the reframe, it takes the like this could be something else to then have it land for someone.

The Corpse Story About Belief

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Right. Because we become so ingrained in our own beliefs that most of the time, unless you have a really powerful coach around you, you just cannot see another, just cannot see another option because it's not a belief to you, it's just how it is. This is just how it is. Actually, I have a really hilarious story. Can I tell you about this psychologist? Okay. Yes. Because this really locks in the power of belief. So there was um, there was a psychologist who had a really tricky client c um come in, and this person believed. He believed that he was a corpse. So he believed he was dead.

SPEAKER_03 14:13

Oh my gosh.

SPEAKER_01 14:14

Yeah. And so the psychologist is like, okay, uh, how do I get this guy to understand that he is not a corpse, he is alive, he is here. And he said, Okay, okay, well, you know, he said, okay, if I could show this guy, if I could get him to agree that a corpse, corpses don't bleed and breathe, for example. So he said to the guy, he said, Well, do corpses bleed? And the guy said, No. He said, Okay, well, how about are you okay if I give you a little prick on your finger and we can see if you bleed? And the guy said, Sure, you can prick me. I'm a corpse, right? Like this, I don't have a problem with this. So the guy, the psychologist, pricks his finger and blood starts to come out. And the guy was like, Oh my gosh, he's like, That's crazy. He's like, I guess corpses can bleed.

SPEAKER_03 15:01

Oh shoot. Great. But that was his solution. That was that was the solution to stay stuck in the belief that he had, right? He wanted, he wanted so bad to stay in that box.

SPEAKER_01 15:12

And when you map this over to your, I mean, that's an out there crazy, funny example, but when you map this over to things you're actually doing in life, like you're saying, I can't be good with money, or uh, you know, stay-at-home moms can't make money, right? You're you're locked into this belief. And then someone literally shows you this other way. And instead of going, oh, I can do that, then you're you're in the like, well, corpses can bleed, right? Like we we can be so locked in that even with evidence, we stay, stay stuck to that belief. So it's really, really powerful to have people around you who can um help loosen the beliefs so that then you can start to even realize where you're holding on to when. Because a lot of times we just don't even know.

SPEAKER_03 15:59

So if someone is new to this thought process of like, I'm walking around with my own beliefs and it's it's basically running the show for me. What would you say to that person? Of like, okay, this is how you get started. This is how you start to dissect what's belief, what's truth there? You know, it feels it this feels I I'm just looking at this through the lens of like, I'm I'm brand new to this idea and great. So now you told me I'm walking around with everything that's holding me back, but like, how do I yeah.

The Trigger Turnaround Exercise

SPEAKER_01 16:29

Yeah, how do you get started?

SPEAKER_03 16:30

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 16:30

I think my favorite game is to just because I believe our emotion our emotions are our compass to tell us where we're off, where we're actually not aligned with what's best and high for in our highest good. So when we start to take note, I mean the easiest thing is just to start to notice what bothers you, what pisses you off, who, what, what, what interactions, what type of activity, what type of people, or what type of things, and start to categorize them. So it's it's easiest for most of us to look at other people, right? The neighbor is doing something, and when it bothers you, you can ask yourself, what is it that I am saying in my mind the neighbor's doing? Like the neighbor is being arrogant. I don't know. I'm making things up, but you want to have an actual statement of if you were to be blaming them, if you were to go um just not taking any responsibility, but just saying it's them, what would you say they're doing? They are um inconsiderate, they are arrogant, whatever it is. The person who cuts you off, what is it? What is the statement about what they're doing? And then we get to play a really fun game, Rachel. And the game is to actually now take that statement and turn it around. So we're saying, okay, the neighbor is inconsiderate. Now we ask, where am I being inconsiderate, either to others, or where am I being inconsiderate to myself? And just witnessing the things and the people that bother you, you will get to uncover every belief you have about yourself. If you want to write out the things like, um, he should or she shouldn't, or any story about people in your life, he should listen to me more. Great. Now we get to say, where should where am I not listening or where am I? And often, especially with women um and moms, it's often we're not, we're doing it to ourselves. Like we're like, no, I would never be mean to a neighbor, and we're mean in our heads to ourselves every single day. As we do that, you'll start to come up with a whole list of things and beliefs of like, oh wow, I wouldn't have said that I'm judgmental, but I am judging that person for being judgmental. And we can uh really quickly, if people will play that, I play the game every single day. It's still my way of seeing what are these sticky beliefs that I haven't really found. And especially when my level of irritation to something is disproportionate, right? If someone is really doing something harmful, you want to have a strong emotion because therefore you're gonna have a boundary, you're gonna protect your kids, right? There's there's things that happen, and then there's the things in the category that you go, I am way more angry about that than what just happened.

SPEAKER_03 19:21

The trigger, you got triggered.

SPEAKER_01 19:23

Yes, those are the ones where we can find discover all of all of our beliefs. We can find them in that in that emotions.

SPEAKER_03 19:34

We just did this exercise inside a money mom club coaching call where we were talking about relationship, marit money and marriage and partnerships. And, you know, a lot of the women came onto the call, the all these things that their husbands were doing with money that was pissing them off, right? So, like we kind of laid out all of the all of the grievances people have. We did this statement, we did this statement exercise of he does this, he doesn't do this, and then we did the reframe where we're like, okay, actually say this in an I statement. And there were so many breakthroughs of like what I have been experiencing from my husband. I either haven't been doing, like, I want him to do this, but I'm also not doing it, or I hate that he does that, but I show up this way too. And um, it was just a really cool exercise. If you're in the Money Mom Club, you can go watch that replay and do that exercise with us because I think it's so often we project our own thoughts, our own beliefs onto other people, right? And this is just then taking power back for yourself of like, how am I showing up in the world? How am I experiencing the world and questioning it?

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Oh, that's so I'm so glad you did that in your Auntie Mom Club. That's awesome. Everyone should go watch that one. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 20:46

So so so, okay, so someone is starting to question all of these things. Um, I know that for myself. Like as I've become more aware of how I'm showing up, I've become more aware of my emotions. It can feel, it can feel like there's so much work to be done. And do you have, you know, advice on someone who's like, where should I focus on first? Like, where do you think people find the most value in these beliefs? Is it in the money story? Is it in the relationship? Like, where, where would you have someone start?

SPEAKER_01 21:20

I think one of the cool things about this process of doing the self-discovery and finding the beliefs is that they're always super interconnected. So in when I in our training, so I do a six-day live training, and in the training, as we're going, I say to people, I'm like, have a page in your journal where anytime something comes up, you write it down. Because the container itself, meaning flying to a training, right? Somebody might already have had a belief of like, I can't leave my kids. So signing up for the training, I can't invest that amount of money on myself. Like sometimes the only time people have made big investments were college or a house or a car. So just even purchasing something or investing in something, um, the money, the beliefs will be coming up. So I'm having them write down every single belief as we go. And then when we get to training or we get to the part where we're actually getting to the beliefs, they might have a list of a hundred, literally. And of course, that feels very overwhelming of okay, I don't have a hundred days, like I I have six days. So are we going to even get through this? And what we find most of the time, it comes down to about three core beliefs that the rest were tied to.

SPEAKER_03 22:36

Oh, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 22:37

So or one uncovers why clearing out one belief uncovers why that person couldn't see how the other ones were related or something like that. So I always say, please try not to focus on the number of things that we find wrong with ourselves, because that is just going to lead to more overwhelming chaos. And know that um just even finding one that's that's a really strong one for us, because it will be different for everyone, but finding one that's really strong for us can shift the whole list. And it does. We see it happen all the time. The things that end up being the highest on the list is um things that are identity, things that are going all the way to like I am a person who blank, right? I am not smart enough to manage money, right? We're getting to an actual core belief about their identity, yeah, versus farther down the chain, um, which is actually a cool way to help someone move from money beliefs, is to move away from the identity level. And then underneath that is maybe the belief level. So I am not good with money, and then I'm right now I'm believing that I can't manage it. And then to move down a couple more levels to maybe the environment level where we're saying, okay, I've just never been taught how to manage money. So if I've never been taught how to manage money and I can actually learn other things, therefore now this is something I can just learn. It's just not somewhere I've put my focus and attention, right? And we've starting to find examples where that person has done really, really well. Like, do you love to bake and you've gotten really, really good at that? They're like, Yes, I have. Great. Well, what did you do? I put in hours and hours. I tried different recipes. I um I tested it and then I failed and I burned it, and then I did it again. And so you start to realize like the pattern of where the thing worked or where you got really good at it. Usually there was a lot of failure involved that then gave them some feedback that then they shifted. And so it's the things that we haven't been willing to try or haven't put much time in at all that feel so scary, that just feel like, well, I don't know what to do with that.

SPEAKER_03 24:59

Right, right. So maybe you've reframed this for me. We're not saying beliefs are bad, right? Like we don't have to look at a belief and say, that's a bad belief or good belief, right? We want to look at it with non-judgment. But what a belief is, is clues as to deeper, like I guess what we're saying is belief is the context with how you're looking at life. And if you don't like the way you're showing up in a certain place or area when it, you know, if it came to money, then we have to start to look at the beliefs. Because if we can find beliefs that are the sticking point, then we reframe the belief and we replace the belief with something that's more empowering. Beliefs either move you towards a goal or away from it, right? So that's why we're talking about this deep level of beliefs, not in a way of like, you shouldn't have beliefs. Beliefs shouldn't be there. They should be there, but we can replace them with ones that actually get us to what we want to do.

SPEAKER_01 25:54

Does it move, yes, does it move you towards what you want or does it stop you? So I just recently been really, really studying even deeper. I've been teaching like advanced language patterns. So I've been getting deep into language, and I found that there's patterns with people who are really good at taking feedback. Or, you know, so in you know, my belief system, if we people who can take feedback, therefore can improve at their craft, they're can improve at their skill, they can improve at being good at money faster. So it's the fear of ever trying and air quote failing that stop us. We just don't get any feedback, right? You you jump on a skateboard a couple of times, you you fall, you get feedback, and then after a few times you're good to go. But if you just don't ever get on, because you're like, well, there's wheels and it moves and this could be dangerous and I could fall, it's gonna be years. Like you still won't know it because it's sitting there. So it's just the doing, it's just the the jumping on that gets us the feedback. So with the um people who were really good at feedback, there's whether we keep it at the identity level or whether we move it down. And there's a thing called logical levels. So um the top is the identity level. And so for example, I just recently I did a um a signature talk, I did a speech, and I was getting feedback from a coach on on the talk. And the feedback wasn't all that great. And he said, Well, you were you were kind of reading off your paper. It wasn't your most powerful, right? There was some, you know, a little bit of like, oh boy, this isn't, this isn't, this isn't like great job, Megan. This was a little bit more constructive and some there's some work to do here. And so what I immediately did in my head and then wanted to say out loud was explain, explain why that happened. And so I said, yes, cool, I got it, because that morning that I was supposed to give the talk, I had this whole plan to run through it for an hour and practice and feel good about it. And um, people showed up really, really early to the event space. And so there wasn't a space to do that. So now, of course, I did wait till the very last minute. So that was on me. Like they definitely understood there was a way this could have happened differently. Although what I did was I said, uh, I get it. I I don't want to be reading it. And in the future, I won't be reading it. I didn't, I wasn't prepared. I didn't practice. And so what I did was I kind of brought it all the way down to the environment level of there were people in the space and I didn't have time to practice. So that takes it away from the I what I could have said, and I think would have said in the past, because feedback was not easy for me before NLP, I would have said, I'm not a good speaker or um or I'm not prepared or something, I would have gone identity statement on that. See, I'm not good enough. He's saying it wasn't good enough. That's embarrassing. And so when you go identity level, when you get feedback of therefore I can't manage money, therefore, you know, I can't be trusted, we're locked in, we're locked in really, really strong. Where if we go down a couple levels to like maybe just a belief or just something about um a skill or a capability or an environment, I went all the way. Environment's the lowest. I went all the way to the lowest. And I said, Yeah, okay. I the environment did not allow me to practice that morning. Therefore, next time I will do it in advance. I will, because I'm I'm believing I am a good speaker and with preparation, this will be great.

unknown 29:23

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:23

Therefore, I will get back on the horse and do it again and it and it will be better. And that feedback I know will make it better because I know next time I will not leave it till that morning. Because I felt the feeling when he said that was not your best work and you were reading, and I could tell, like, yes, I was. He said it was still great. And he said, I've seen you do it when you're not reading, and there's so much more emotion. Like you people feel it so much more. Of course, I know that. So the other way though, when we're really stuck in the environment, like in um in like a not empowering way, then we might be saying, okay, for example, that same training went really, really well. Now, if I say, okay, this training went really, really well because I had this specific team of coaching assistants, and those coaching assistants are never going to be there again. Like this was a one-time thing. So therefore, this training went extremely well. And will it ever happen again? Because I went to the negative, right? Like the disempowering of the environment instead of empowering. So when we're going the other way around, really, I want to say, no matter who's there, like I I am a great trainer. I this was fabulous. The identity, yeah. Yes. And so it it depends on whether it's empowering or disempowering the direction that you head of moving it more into being your identity or moving it away from your identity when it's not so empowering. This is the shift in um that can just blow things open for people where they all of a sudden see them. It's they see themselves in a different possible light.

SPEAKER_03 30:56

Yeah. It kind of takes the pressure off a little bit when you get to that environment level because there's that's kind of like not things I can control, right? It's outside. It's it's just the environment of the situation.

SPEAKER_01 31:06

As long as they're saying, and then next time I will do this differently. The only struggle with it is if we say, Oh, it's not ever my fault, it's the environment.

SPEAKER_03 31:16

Sure.

SPEAKER_01 31:16

Right? Like, not gonna practice, but right. So as long as it's because it was the environment, therefore, next time I will make sure my environment is this way, or I will surround myself with people who also care about money or coaches who can do this with me, right? As long as we are willing to change the environment, then it's empowering.

SPEAKER_03 31:35

Yeah, I love that. Oh wow, there's so much to dissect here.

SPEAKER_02 31:40

This is how money goes deep.

SPEAKER_03 31:41

When I talk to Megan, anytime I talk to Megan, I just want to take notes and re-watch the conversation over and over again because you are just so full of wisdom. And she's coming into the Money Mom Club. So if you're listening to this episode and you're a member, she's coming in in April, and we're gonna do a guided money visualization exercise, which I'm so excited about. For personally, I'm excited about it.

SPEAKER_01 32:04

I am also very excited about it. Uh, can I give a high-level teaser?

Money Frequency, Visualization, And Links

SPEAKER_03 32:08

Yes, please do.

SPEAKER_01 32:09

Okay. So in my study of money recently, and um this is going to the level of energy, but I don't just mean energy like in a woo-woo way. I mean frequency and the idea that every object has a frequency and money itself has a frequency. And some people argue, there's a whole book about it, that money is the frequency of love. Yeah. I like that. We think about it, right? We're just exchanging, like it's a exchange of service, it's an exchange of energy. It's giving you this to get this back. And so, and so when we everybody's probably seen those little images, right, with the tuning forks. Have you seen those images with the tuning forks are like you're like the five people, you know, the five people you around you? Yeah. You're gonna start and the tuning forks slowly go where they're all they're all together.

SPEAKER_02 32:58

Right.

SPEAKER_01 32:59

So when we are basically becoming the tuning fork where we are living in a state of love and acceptance, I know this is easier said than done, but we're really in a state of like receiving, then money cannot help but come to us. But anger, fear, resentment, uh, guilt, those are the emotions that most of us hold on to around money, which is the opposite of love. Right.

SPEAKER_03 33:28

And if we're not tuning to that frequency, then money's not going to come to us.

SPEAKER_01 33:31

No. So we're literally vibrating at the level of guilt, which, you know, there are people who've kind of studied the frequency of different emotions, with shame being the lowest. And shame is also a very common one with money. So it's like great. We had the feeling and emotion. Now emotions are great as long as it moves us towards something. Not great. Not gonna help us, definitely not gonna bring us more money, definitely gonna bring us more health. Um, so the idea of getting rid of past negative emotions, not getting rid of, but um having a new understanding of different events in our lives and the emotions tied to it can remove that we call it inappropriate and unwarranted level of emotion. So the kind that's above and beyond that we talked about before. And once that is shifted, um, we can now actually be the person who money just comes to.

SPEAKER_03 34:30

Yeah. So you're gonna you're gonna help us do that on the call.

unknown 34:33

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03 34:33

Awesome. I can't wait. That's so great. So if someone was listening to this episode and wants to dive more into your world and learn more from you, because obviously you are a wealth of knowledge in all areas of life. Where can they find you?

SPEAKER_01 34:48

So Instagram is a great spot to come find me. So um blacksmith underscore training underscore co is my Instagram handle. And I'll share with you too, Rachel. So I did a metaphor class recently. It was metaphor to millions. It's the idea of using storytelling and metaphors. Um, a lot of the people that I work with are business owners, and these can be used anywhere. You can be using them with your kids, you can use them for your money, you know, your money mindset, your money abundance. So I do have um, I can share the link with you, the a link to actually come do the replay of that, and or depending on when this goes live, I'm gonna um, I'm gonna do another live round of it. People were so locked into the metaphor class. I keep getting messages like, I'm just speaking in metaphors and they're just flowing naturally um to the point that now they're able to communicate with their partner or their kids or to their friends in a way that the person is hearing them and not feeling like you're up against a wall.

SPEAKER_03 35:50

Oh, okay. We'll put the link for that in the show notes as well. That's great. Well, thank you so much for spending your time here with us today, Megan. Thank you, Rachel. Thank you for pouring into us and and giving us new thoughts and new ways to approach life.

SPEAKER_01 36:05

Fully enjoy talking about money. So thank you for having me.