Confronting Shame and Defining a Charmed Life with Lisset King

 And here's the thing—most people don't really understand the weight of shame and how deeply it can root itself into every aspect of our lives, right? It isn't just this abstract feeling; it becomes a haunting narrative that dictates our actions, our dreams, our sense of self-worth. It's become such a normal piece of their daily lives that they don't even see how it holds them back. That constant battling of ‘good enough’ or perfectionism, stemming from trauma or societal pressure, is so ingrained that it keeps our true selves at bay, our courage at bay. 

One of the core teachings here is the importance of choosing courage. They discuss how people's perspectives often become muddled by past traumas and a relentless need to be perfect. For instance, Lisset dives into her own experiences of feeling not good enough and the destructive paths she walked, like substance abuse and toxic relationships. It's such a raw and honest conversation, and it makes you think about how much we hold ourselves back due to the voices in our head that scream, "You have to be perfect." 

Both Sari and Lisset shed light on how our subconscious programming affects us and the importance of having support to change it. It’s not just about conscious effort; it’s about doing the inner work to rewrite those stories we've been living by.

Sari Cowsert is a Certified Hypnotherapist and the dynamic host of the Uncharted Way podcast—a no-nonsense space dedicated to revealing the stories of individuals who courageously defy societal norms to forge their own unique paths. Sari, a certified hypnotherapist and master imagery facilitator, serves as your thought-provoking guide, inviting listeners to break free from monotony and explore lives brimming with authenticity and fulfillment. Through her expertise and unwavering passion, Sari curates the essence of each narrative, inspiring her audience to live unapologetically and chart their own provocative journeys. With Sari at the helm, the Uncharted Way isn't just a podcast; it's a revolutionary call to map your destiny on your own terms. Hell Fucking Yeah!!!

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With over 16 years in coaching, alternative therapy and healing, Lisset King  is a trainer of NLP, Hypnotherapy and Hawaiian energy work helping leaders uncover and release the root limiting beliefs that are keeping them small and settling. She is an expert at getting people out of their own way and living a life of limitless possibilities. 

Lisset is co-host of Honest Feedback Podcast with her wife Goddess Brittney King. 

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Transcript

Sari Cowsert [00:00:02]:
And we are back for another episode of the Uncharted way with Lissette King, who is the wife and partner of a dear friend of mine that will also be on this podcast. If she hasn't already been aired, you will see her as well. Her name is Brittany King, and she is a goddess herself. And I'm just so happy to have Lissette come join us as well, to have just another juicy conversation and to get people inspired to break out of their shell, to try something new, to not be okay with being okay. And, you know, before we jumped on here, I kind of asked Lisette, like, you know, what is her? I said, title, but I don't even feel like that is, like, title feels very, like, formal and professional. And I definitely don't think that's what you embody or exist as. As I sit here with you. And you said emotional ninja.

Sari Cowsert [00:01:04]:
And I love that because you're kind of taking two polar opposites in a way, right? The emotions being this deep, heartfelt thing and that inner core part of us, right? When you think of the ninja being the warrior, being the one who's very hard, who goes into battle. But I love that you're combining them together. So what made you come up with that?

Lisset King [00:01:32]:
Absolutely. So I think one of the things I love the most about ninjas is that they work in the shadow, and you don't really see them coming. And when people work with me, it's usually from a place of, like, getting in there from a very loving and kind place, and they're sharing, and we're going into the deepest, darkest parts of their wounds. If I had a dollar for every time someone said, whoa, I've never said this before out loud. Like, it's a lot. It's a lot of times that I've heard that and just creating the safe space for people to come through and come out and then really just getting rid of the problem, like, switching their perspective, switching their belief in what they thought their life was, you know? And that, for me, is, like, where the ninja part comes in is like, you don't see it coming. Then all of a sudden, I bet people will be like, huh? I just feel better all of a sudden talking to you. And I'm like, yeah, you know, so I do do it in a very formal way, but before you know it, by the end of our sessions there, I'm like, hey, so earlier today, you said you believed that thing.

Lisset King [00:02:45]:
Like, no, I didn't, or, no, I can't relate to that at all, or I've had people just laugh out loud when I repeat to them what they believed about their limitations or themselves at the end of our sessions.

Sari Cowsert [00:02:59]:
Yeah. And that, you know, belief about what we are is obviously what molds us into the personality that we view ourselves as. And there was something that I came across the other day. It was an Alan Watts quote, and it was talking about how, you know, the person that you're walking by on the street that you give a smile to or maybe you don't give a smile to. Right. They're creating their version of you in their head as they meet you walking down the street. Right. So does the person that cuts your hair.

Sari Cowsert [00:03:33]:
They have a version of you. Right. And what you divulge with them. So does your partner. Right. Because you might divulge even more of them. And they see you in this, like, loving, beautiful thing or your mother or your sister or all the people that you meet at the grocery store or at the sound bath, healing or whatever it is you're going to. Right.

Sari Cowsert [00:03:50]:
All these people have different versions of our. Of who we are. And when you think about it, like, there is an unlimited number of possibilities of this version of ourself that exists, not just the one internally within our mindset. Right. What our parents want us to be, what we end up being because of that belief system. And so I had texted a friend afterwards, and I was like, don't we just spend too much fucking time worrying about what that version is of ourself?

Lisset King [00:04:21]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:04:21]:
When you think of it that way.

Lisset King [00:04:24]:
Yeah. Yeah. It's. Thank you for pointing that out. Like, one of the things that I often tell my clients is we're not seeing the. We're not seeing the person. We're seeing our projection of them. We're taking our very personal experience of them and projecting that onto them.

Lisset King [00:04:44]:
And so we. We do. We care a lot about what people think about us, and we have absolutely no control. And one of my favorite jokes, my mom loves this one, is like, we spend our 1st 30 years caring what everyone else thinks. We take the second 30 years not giving a fuck what anyone else thinks. And then we take our last 30 years realizing that no one cared about us in the first place. No one's been thinking about us in the first place. That is the wisdom that comes with time is like, everyone is so self involved, and you will play every character known to man in your lifetime.

Lisset King [00:05:24]:
To other people.

Sari Cowsert [00:05:24]:
Yes.

Lisset King [00:05:25]:
I am the villain in some people's lives. I'm the hero in some people's lives. And I'm just me in my life, and I love that. That's the person I've come to love and nurture and grow into. So it's wild. I love that concept that, um, they're seeing a version of you and we're seeing a version of them, and we can never fully. We could never fully know anyone. You know, we can know our partners well, but even then, it's our projection of them.

Lisset King [00:05:58]:
Every so often, Brittany will say something. I'm like, I didn't know that about you. And it's like, right. You know, she was a person for 30 plus years before she ever met me. There's no way in the six years we've been together that I can know absolutely everything about her experience.

Sari Cowsert [00:06:15]:
Right? And there's things that even. I mean, similarly, my husband and I have been together 18 years this year, and there were some things that we were divulging to each other that we had both felt, like, shame in. And even telling someone who we know really deeply at this point, right, after 18 years, like, there's parts of ourselves that, like, felt shame, and telling our partner, you know, and, like, telling those things was, like, number one, really liberating. But two, like, they still saw me just as they see me, right? Nothing changed. And I think we live so much of our lives based on that concept of, if I say this thing, then they're gonna see me different.

Lisset King [00:07:00]:
Yes. Yes. And you know the truth. I love what you said about when you said it, you felt free and liberated. It's these tiny cages we build for ourselves. Like, oh, I can't be that successful. Cause if I'm not successful, what if they discover this about me? And one of my favorite teachers, Doctor John DeMartini, said, to be a public figure, you need to come to terms with your past. You need to be willing to bring your private parts public, because they're going to come out at one point or another.

Lisset King [00:07:37]:
Especially, the bigger you get, the taller you get, the more people are interested in every facet of your life. So everything you've ever done, you know, I'm so grateful I went to high school before the Internet or before media. Oh, my God, that is something. I wake up every day. Thank you. Thank you. For real.

Sari Cowsert [00:08:00]:
Because there would be way too much stuff that would be known about my life at that point.

Lisset King [00:08:04]:
Yes. Our digital footprint now, it's like so much of every so often, Facebook comes up. It's like you said this 15 years ago.

Sari Cowsert [00:08:12]:
I'm like, I did, and you're like, what? Why? Yes. Same.

Lisset King [00:08:18]:
Oh.

Sari Cowsert [00:08:18]:
And it's like, you know, even just, like, things like, why did I feel the need to share that that day? Like, you know, something? So, like, I mean, I probably say stupid now. I'm clearly judging myself for it, but, you know, absolutely. And there's definitely stuff, you know, unlike the disposable cameras that you used to take, you know, like, our version of a selfie that we used to take back in the day that we just hoped that it came out when you took to go get it developed. Right. And, I mean, there was some stuff on there I think never even got developed and probably shouldn't have for a reason. But I. Absolutely. I'm right there with you.

Lisset King [00:08:56]:
Yeah, absolutely. And what, um. I had a question for you. Um, what is. Well, that might be a little. I'm like, that might be personal.

Sari Cowsert [00:09:09]:
Hey, I'm here for it. Come on, lisette. Bring it on.

Lisset King [00:09:12]:
Yeah. So, like, my curiosity is, like, what is your relationship with shame? And, like, things from your past and. Yeah, because I'm just, like, I'm always curious. This is who I am and for work and.

Sari Cowsert [00:09:22]:
Yeah, yeah.

Lisset King [00:09:23]:
Like. Like, what for sure? What things do you think feel. Feel like they might be holding you back or you're not sharing?

Sari Cowsert [00:09:29]:
You know, I think. You know, I think so many of us have similar things when it comes to shame. And I'm actually in a program right now that's dealing with emotions, and shame is definitely one of those, for sure. And, you know, I have. I always have shame that I'm never doing enough, you know, and. Or that, you know, I didn't present myself in a way that other people needed me to present myself. I was always the odd man out. I was always very in the communities that I lived within.

Sari Cowsert [00:10:11]:
I was, like, the person that was, like, the new girl at school in every community. And so this need to be, like, a perfectionist almost, and to really chameleonize myself in groups instead of just be who the fuck I wanted to be. And I'm still working through that today. And especially being in this role as a podcast host and as a facilitator, as all these things like you talked about, right? We're putting ourselves in these roles that are making us taller and bigger, and people are seeing all the things, just allowing that we are still human and we still have all these things. And even the things that we teach people that we're working with or friends that we're having a conversation with, we are still human in that element, in that aspect. And that doesn't make us separate or better than anyone. And that absolutely I have fucking shame.

Lisset King [00:11:09]:
Yeah. Yeah, the perfectionist that is. That is a part that, yeah, the shame that comes from, like, I'm not perfect can absolutely hold us back from being as big and as great as we can be, you know, because we're like, I will come out when I'm absolutely perfect, when I've lost, when I don't have that role in my side of my body or, you know, or, like, you know, between body shame and emotional shame. One of the things that I feel I've gotten kudos from people that I work with is that I don't hold anything back. You know, like, from the perspective of, you know, I've had sexual trauma, you know, and sexual assault and things in my childhood that are not. That are kind of taboo to talk about. And at the same time, every so often, I'll say it when the time calls for it, and someone is like, oh, my God, thank you. Thank you for saying that.

Lisset King [00:12:09]:
Now I need to say, like, my thing, you know? And it opens up this space of I'm not alone in this journey, in this healing journey, in this imperfection of. Yeah, like, none of us have had. None of us have had this, like, perfect upbringing. We've. We've had to do what we need to do to survive. You know? We. If you grew up around narcissism or abuse or things of that nature, you become the person that's constantly tracking the room and making sure that absolutely everyone's happy. And then you could start to mold yourself into being that person that is, like, I'm just not going to upset anyone.

Sari Cowsert [00:12:51]:
And that people pleasing.

Lisset King [00:12:52]:
Yeah. Yet the person you're upsetting is yourself. You don't think you're upsetting yourself, but it's these tiny crimes against ourselves that after accumulating the self will revolt.

Sari Cowsert [00:13:07]:
Yeah. And it's a jail cell. It's an absolute jail cell. And that was one of the things that even came up for me recently was I've been living in this cell for 20 years, probably more, to be honest. And it's like, why do we want to keep feeding that, you know? And that's, you know, even going back to where we kind of started with, like, these limitations and these belief systems that we, you know, grow through our lifetime. They don't just, you know, magically appear at 35 right there. They're nurtured by us and by our surroundings. And so.

Sari Cowsert [00:13:51]:
And I think so much of that unwiring. Rewiring, you know, reparenting all of that has definitely gotten me to where I am today, which, you know, to me, that is the uncharted way is looking at your life. And to me, it always starts with the question of, like, this can't be my life, or is this all I get, or is this how it's going to be? Right? And I think when that question starts, then that curiosity kind of starts peeking in that brain of, like, well, what else could there be? And so do you feel like, obviously, you've mentioned a little bit of the sexual trauma and things like that. At what point do you feel like that question was coming up for you?

Lisset King [00:14:41]:
What question, specifically?

Sari Cowsert [00:14:44]:
Just that maybe even, like, can my life be better than this, or do I deserve better? Or is this all there is?

Lisset King [00:14:54]:
Yeah, absolutely. Thank you for asking. That actually will allow some space for my journey. And what happened was that, like, something happened when I was, like, six and I created, and this is pretty much how everyone's mind works. When something traumatic happens, your mind has to make sense of the world. And so something happened. My decision was, the world is unsafe, right? And I'm not safe, and I'm not held. And, like, people are trying to take from me, you know, and I decide this as a child, and now I'm viewing the world through that lens, and that shut me down to connecting with other people.

Lisset King [00:15:38]:
It led to a lot of substance abuse and really just numbing out. I felt like I was, you know, I like to use the metaphor of a non player character. Like, just, like, I was just walking around on autopilot, working jobs. I hated, you know, being in really toxic relationships many times where I was the toxic one in the relationship and just going through the motions, also, like, living in the closet, like, not being out. So that added this, like, anger, this layer of anger. So there was a lot of anger.

Sari Cowsert [00:16:11]:
I was processing, too.

Lisset King [00:16:13]:
Yeah. Yeah. So there was just anger and sadness running through my veins, and. And yet I was just like, well, this is how life is. And I remember, and, of course, you attract the people in your world that validate your experience 100%, you know? And so I had friends that we would bitch together about how things sucked, and, like, this is how life is and blah, blah. And my first coming to, like, coming to light about even the power of our mind was a seminar I'd done back in 2008, and there it was just this whole thing about, like, are you victim or are you responsible? And I was like, whoa, I have been acting.

Sari Cowsert [00:16:52]:
And what drew you to that?

Lisset King [00:16:54]:
What drew me to that? A friend was like, hey, I changed my life. And I was like, say more. And he invited me and a couple friends to, like, this presentation on this seminar, and I was like, okay.

Sari Cowsert [00:17:11]:
And I'm just curious. So the friend that changed their life, like, what did that look like before that? You were like, okay, I'm seeing results, so maybe I need to go do this.

Lisset King [00:17:21]:
For sure. It was a co worker. And what I noticed about this co worker was, I worked at guitar center, and I was, like, in sales, and he was one of the top salespeople, and he would walk in, and he had a pretty girlfriend and, like, all these things, and I was like, huh, that guy seems to have it together. And we were just talking. We would have lunch, and it was beautiful. And then one day, he was like, hey, I want to, like, tell you how I got here, you know, and explained it. He's like, I was trapped. I was stuck.

Lisset King [00:17:50]:
Um, you know, my sales went up. I am with the love of my life, all this stuff. And I was like, okay, so, all right, tell me more. And I went. And I. And I remember sitting in this seminar, and it was just like. It was such a huge weekend for me. You know, there were games, there were patterns.

Lisset King [00:18:08]:
There were things that made you go, this is you. And I was like, oh, I don't like looking at that. But it was the awareness that I needed. I was like, oh, I'm aware that, you know, I'm the problem. It's me, you know, like, very much got it, like, fuck. And. But the thing was, is that I just got awareness, and I think we live in a. This was.

Lisset King [00:18:30]:
This was before. And before personal development was so popular. And, like, spirituality, like, in social media, like, now you can't get away from it, you know? And I'm sure that's my algorithm, too. And totally. Absolutely. So it just feels very prevalent. But at that time, I was, like, I was in the dark about all of this, and what I realized was I couldn't. I still wasn't breaking the pattern.

Lisset King [00:18:57]:
Like, I knew that I was a problem, but I didn't. I couldn't break the proud, the pattern. All I had was this awareness, and things were changing because I was being different. Like, I was. I was wanting to. I'm like, I want to not drink so much. Which. Friends fell away.

Lisset King [00:19:15]:
I wanted to start working out. Friends fell away, and I was like. It was lonely. That's. That's one of the things that I realized that is not warned. And I warn my clients right away. I'm like, the growth path can be lonely.

Sari Cowsert [00:19:31]:
Yeah.

Lisset King [00:19:31]:
It could be dark. Especially because so fast forward a few years after that, about nine years later, I got into neuro linguistic programming, and I saw my teacher, and I was like, wait a second. He was a. He was a friend. I was like, you're the person. You're the same person at the front of the room as you are in the back of the room. Mmm. Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:19:57]:
Love that.

Lisset King [00:19:58]:
And I was like, wow, you're so real up there and in the back. And that was something that I didn't see at that other seminar, because I hung out there for a while, and I would look around and be like, we're all still a little fucked up. We're hanging out, but we're all a little fucked up. And when I went there, I noticed people, like, didn't have their baggage. Not that they've never had baggage. It's like they put it down, and I. And I was blown away. I was like, all right, tell me more.

Sari Cowsert [00:20:25]:
Yeah.

Lisset King [00:20:26]:
And so I leaned in. I leaned into this work really hard. I leaned in, I went all in on NLP. He said, I learned this process called the breakthrough session. He goes, you know, you could make a whole business out of this. I said, bet. I'm like, I will go and do that. And so I did.

Lisset King [00:20:43]:
I went and I discovered that not only did I let go of my biggest limiting belief, that I wasn't enough, that I wasn't smart enough, that I wasn't good enough, like, I started to let these things go, and I was like, well, first of all, that's dumb. Like, if I can believe anything, and I learned that you can actually believe anything, why am I believing those things? In a world of infinite realities where some people are living the dream and other people are suffering, why am I choosing the suffering? And it is. It was very much a choice, and I will acknowledge that I don't have it and as hard as other people have it. So I will say there are circumstantial things, and I do believe that you can come out of any circumstance. I know.

Sari Cowsert [00:21:31]:
Yes. Oh, my gosh, yes. And there are those. And I think that even for that. That key point, too, like, going back into, like, how you even spoke into. I had this awareness. Right. And, you know, I'm sure you know this and just speaking this into the listeners if they're wondering, but, like, our.

Sari Cowsert [00:21:49]:
Our minds, by the time we're 35, we're really only 5% a conscious effort. Right. And so I'm not sure how old you were at this point. But still, even then, if you were younger, like maybe 80%, right? And so we're talking about 80% of that subconscious programming still wanting to keep your world safe based off that six year old experience. And then here you are being a full grown adult living based off a six year old experience. And most people just really don't understand that. That's how our psyche is working and everything is keeping us safe based off those experiences. And a lot of times, you know, for people, that is one traumatic experience or it could be years of, you know, micro situations or, I mean, I have, you know, two daughters now, and I am so I call myself the, like, subliminal Nazi because, you know, whether it's the stuff that they're getting from their friends or the things they're seeing on tv, I'm like, nope, turn that shit off.

Sari Cowsert [00:22:51]:
You know, because I know what it's doing. And we have lots of talks. But, you know, for the people that are having, you know, these circumstances where it's really hard to get out of whatever mindset you are in lived experience, it's that 95% that's telling you you can't live any other way because this is the only way that's safe. And that's where, yeah, we begin to have some awareness as to about how and why we're doing things. But, like, changing that just consciously is really, really, really hard and how important it is to have a friend or a community or a mentor or coach to really help you get beyond that.

Lisset King [00:23:36]:
Yeah, well, one thing I'll say is, you can't change it consciously. And that's, that is, that's the thing that I don't think the majority of people are aware of. We're constantly told, oh, you just need to work harder. Has anyone ever been, like, happy because someone told them they should smile? You know, like, ever? No. And we're constantly telling ourselves, like, oh, look around, like, you should be happy or all these things. And, and, no, it's, it's not that. My favorite analogy is your conscious mind is like an ant, and it wants what it wants. It is diligent.

Lisset King [00:24:15]:
It will say, I'm going from here to there, and I'm going to carry this big ass leaf, and I'm going to start that career, or I'm going to finally fall in love. However, it's marching on the back of an elephant, and the elephant is your unconscious mind. And your unconscious mind has been trained since you were a baby. You know, 50% of who we are is hardwired. Till at 550 percent, at five years old, everything you. That was modeled to you, you know, wondering why your relationships are crap. How are your parents relationships? You know, wondering why you're in scarcity. How was your parents relationship with money? You know, like, you're.

Lisset King [00:24:55]:
You're taking 50% of how you think is hardwired. So you're marching on the back of this elephant, and if the elephant's like, no, I've never done that before, I'm not going in that direction. It doesn't matter how much you consciously want to go in a direction. We need to do the unconscious work. We need to know what's running on autopilot, because those beliefs, those I'm not enough. That perfectionism, everything is running on autopilot, and it's not a conscious job. And that's why I light up with my work, because it's all unconscious. We get in there, we go deep, we dig it out, we bring it to the light, and go, okay, this is.

Lisset King [00:25:33]:
This is the thing that's messing up your entire life. Would you like to let it go? And then we let it go. And there are four requisites of change. The step one is release work. And how often are we doing release work before we set a goal? Like, never. We just.

Sari Cowsert [00:25:50]:
I mean, I'm sure most people don't even know what release work is. So enlighten them, lisette.

Lisset King [00:25:56]:
Yes, absolutely. Release work is the first step to change. You have to let go. You have to let go of the thing that's not serving you. You have to let it go somatically. So there are. There are many ways to the light, many ways to healing. I truly believe this psychedelic medicine is a great way to release psychedelics, will bring up the thing that you have not let go of yet.

Lisset King [00:26:24]:
And it says, hey, this is not serving. And then we have a choice. Not too many people know this, but you have a choice when you see that you can go, I don't have to have this anymore. I could let it go. I could change my perspective. So I love psychedelics for that somatic body work, you know, breath work, doing anything that's myofascial release, things like that. Like, it's built in release, you know, like, and the work that I do, I do breakthrough sessions and neuro linguistic programming, hypnosis. I do a Hawaiian.

Lisset King [00:26:59]:
I belong to 120 generation, unbroken lineage of hawaiian shamanism. And we do release work on the energetic level, which actually releases work generationally, spiritually, mentally, emotionally. And all of that trickles down into the physical, but all are, all are necessary. There are just many ways to release, you know, like infinite ways to release. But we get, we gotta start there. Oftentimes we'll stop there. We'll just go, oh, that was a great breath work session. Okay, great.

Lisset King [00:27:30]:
What do you want to do now? If that has, if that you've released that into your life, the second step is we have to go. Where are we going without that? If you let go of your perfectionism, let me ask you, like, just let's play thought experiment. If you no longer, like, if you put down perfectionism, what do you think you could create?

Sari Cowsert [00:27:49]:
Oh, absolutely everything. Everything, right? It's an infinite possibilities and it's even just so much of, you know, perfectionism to me is separation, right? Is separation from what I actually am. And that is, you know, perfect love in reality, right? I am love. But when I, when I feel like I'm not in this number one, what is the perfect model that I'm thinking of, right, that I'm not?

Lisset King [00:28:23]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:28:24]:
And that's, that's an illusion that I've created in my mind based off the situations that have come into my life.

Lisset King [00:28:32]:
Yes.

Sari Cowsert [00:28:32]:
And when I go to that, that place, then I separate myself from love. Because when I'm, when I'm in love, like, none of that shit matters, right. And I can create anything but that to me. And I was going to go back to, you know, psychedelics, I will say I started doing a lot of Doctor Joe meditations and things like that, and I did like, rewire my brain through all of that and have my own loving awakening process. And it was huge, but it was actually, those processes actually made me see that psychedelics are also really fucking potent. And I can even just remember, like, my first mushroom ceremony was just really blissful and beautiful and like, that veil lifting of like, that. I am infinite possibilities. I am love.

Sari Cowsert [00:29:24]:
This is fucking radiating out of me, right. And I think that, like, we even need those experience, whether it be through breath work or psychedelic or ecstatic dance even, or, you know, hypnosis or meditation, that, like, when have you actually experienced that in your conscious life, this radiation of love, of like, oh my gosh, we're all fucking connected and it's really fucking beautiful.

Lisset King [00:29:49]:
Yes.

Sari Cowsert [00:29:49]:
And most people don't experience that in their conscious, outer awake life. And to even get a glimpse into that, I think it allows possibility for yourself to believe that there's more.

Lisset King [00:30:05]:
Yeah, yeah. That. You're absolutely right. Most people don't get to experience that. And a lot of them. I feel like awareness is step one. I didn't know what I didn't know.

Sari Cowsert [00:30:20]:
Agreed.

Lisset King [00:30:21]:
I didn't know my life didn't have to be shitty. I didn't know I was the culprit. You know, I didn't realize that.

Sari Cowsert [00:30:28]:
I mean, who was modeling or teaching that for you? Right?

Lisset King [00:30:31]:
Exactly. Exactly. You know, bless. Bless my family. They did their best they could with the resources they had, and we're all on a growth path now. Like, everyone is, is. Everyone's mind is more open. Everyone is, you know, beweaked.

Lisset King [00:30:46]:
We attempt to go in the direction of change without having that big aha. Like, what if you were already perfect and you truly knew that and you get glimpses of that in medicine? You're like, oh, I am the light. Duh. Right? And then it's like, how do you weave that into your conscious day? Like, my, one of my favorite teachers right now talks about not being broken. He's like, what if you just weren't broken and nothing, it needed to be fixed? And just putting that down, I'm like, well, what if nothing needed to be fixed? And he goes, what do you want? Just because you want it and it can't solve a problem. And I was like, I've never had to not solve a problem.

Sari Cowsert [00:31:33]:
Okay, well, what is it? You gotta fess it up, Lizette. What is the thing you want?

Lisset King [00:31:37]:
Oh, it's the thing that I want. Oh, I will tell you, the first time that my friend asked me this, she goes, what is, what would you love? And I was like, you know what I'd love? Just a charmed life. And she goes, what does that mean to you? I'm like, well, I just want to look like the luckiest person alive. Like, you know, just because life is so easy and in flow and beautiful and loving, and I get to do what I love every day, and I have a great partner. And as I was talking this out loud, and she goes, uh huh. And I was like, I get it. I get it. No, I'm already in it.

Lisset King [00:32:16]:
Like, I'm already in that charmed life. And what it is, is it starts to break down the illusion, you know? And if I focus on that, so again, it's like, now we're going through the steps again. We release the belief that's no longer serving us. We create a compelling future. What do you want to move toward? Well, I just want things to be easy. You know what I love to do? Work one day a week and be able to cover all of my bills and you know, travel as much as I want and do all these things. And I look around, and I've left the country up until this month, every month of this year. And me, a few years ago, before I ever done this work, would never believe that that was possible.

Lisset King [00:33:03]:
You know? Like, I've just been living my charmed life, and I brought my focus to that, and I was like, what do you want? Because you want it, and it can't solve a problem. And I stopped solving problems.

Sari Cowsert [00:33:16]:
I love that.

Lisset King [00:33:17]:
Stop solving problems. Stop trying to solve problems, and just do what you want to do. What a concept. And I don't want to, like, let's not pretend that we're not parents or have businesses and all that stuff, but what if just now everything in your life was okay? It was good. If you were perfect. Spoiler alert, it is perfect. Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:33:38]:
Well, I think that brings in so many points, too, that you're speaking into is, like, number one, it brings in the childlike aspect to ourselves of bringing back in the dreaming and the imagination. Right? I mean, how many adults actually allow themselves to daydream, right, about the life they want, right?

Lisset King [00:33:59]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:33:59]:
I mean, if we could give ourselves even 20 minutes a day, and that could be consciously sitting in your car, looking at the trees, like, it doesn't have to be, like, deep in meditation, right? It could even be talking to a girlfriend of, like, let's just pretend over coffee for five minutes what we want in our lives, right? Giving energy to that thing and allowing it to draw to us. But even I think to going into, and this is what I would probably say 90% of the world is probably programmed into, is that victim victimhood or being the creator? And even I lose sight of that. I mean, I went through a few months just recently where I was totally living in my victimhood. And, like, just recently, I was like, all right, I snap the fuck out. You know, we're not playing this game anymore, right? And it's going back to that awareness. And what are the things that are pulling me back into this victimhood? And let's address them and let's release them or let's alchemize them into creative flow somehow and then tune back into the life that I do want to create and that, you know, why not? Why not just have a life where I work one day a week and I get to travel and. And maybe that includes a private jet one day or something, you know? Like, who's to say that that's not possible for us? It's us.

Lisset King [00:35:18]:
Yeah. We're the only ones who put the limits on. And so I'm in this. I'm the calls coming from inside the house. I am working on this aspect of my life, of what am I creating, when I can create anything? If I am made in the likeness of the creator, if, as above, so below, I am one with everything and I'm just a fractal of source, then why would I choose anything that doesn't feel joy, you know? And, and life ebbs and flows. It definitely does. Like, like I have, I have two dogs that I adore. One day, if nature goes as planned, I should outlive my dogs.

Lisset King [00:36:02]:
And those will be tragic days. Those will be tragic days. I will. I will live and nourish and just love the grief aspect of life. Cause it's part of it. If we're constantly, have you done Bufo?

Sari Cowsert [00:36:17]:
I have not. But down the road, I'm gonna send.

Lisset King [00:36:20]:
You a podcast that my wife did on her bufo journey. I was there, and I also did mine. But I will tell you this. Why I bring this up is because what Bufo taught me was it felt like I am the light. My light source got pulled out of my body, got dropped into the ocean of light. There was no separation between me and you. I could touch your light from where I was because we were just one beam of light. And then I felt my drop of light get pulled out of the source and get dropped back in my body.

Lisset King [00:36:53]:
And I saw everything that had ever happened to me, to me, for me, and I just cried. I cried for 20 minutes of the divinity of how every ounce of suffering was beautiful and was meant for. And, like, those, those moments change you, that put down a lot of lingering victimhood, a lot of, like, oh, that shouldn't happen to a child. Sure, there's a judgment that should not happen to a child. And because that happened to a child, I saw, wow, I'm someone who can help other adults that were children of some sort of abuse and tell them, hey, come on in, the water's fine. Your life can be so full of joy, it can be so delightful, it can be charmed. It's never too late to live a charmed, joyful life. You just gotta put down, put down these beliefs that are keeping you small.

Sari Cowsert [00:37:49]:
And I think, too, you know, it's not even about right? Like, living this, like, high vibrational, super in the light life, right? Because, um, and I, I know I say this, probably every podcast, but I know I don't have the same people listening to every single podcast I'm going to say it again. Um, is. It's like my husband, who's an Er nurse, like a heart rate variability, right? It has really big high peaks and really low valleys, and the bigger the separation, the better the heart rate variability. And so to me, like, that is life, right? The big highs, the big lows, and. And not even perceiving the lows as bad but just as good, right? It's working for you, as you said. And in my program that I've been going through recently, I just love this analogy, but they talk about, like, when you get a cut, right, the cut is the separation, right? The trauma, and then what happens next is the pain, right? The pain. And then the scab that starts healing it back together, right? And so the pain is actually bringing us back into wholeness, right? So we have to feel that in order to feel that, we have to bring ourselves back. And that requires pain.

Sari Cowsert [00:39:07]:
It requires work. It requires looking at the things that caused it and all these beautiful things, right? Not horrible things that bring us back to that wholeness, back to that life that allows us to live this charmed life.

Lisset King [00:39:20]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:39:21]:
And I just think that so much of, you know, any work of looking at our deeper parts, looking at our shadow selves, looking at our subconscious is just kind of ridiculed as like, oh, this is going to be heavy, this is going to be deep, and it might be right. But this is also why we have beautiful facilitators like yourself and I and Brittany and all the people that have come on this podcast and communities. And, you know, you were talking about loneliness, and that was. I think that's a. It's almost like. Seems like it's a rite of passage to have loneliness in your. In your spiritual awakening or personal development, because I do think that we have to remove those parts of us, right? Like, the new personality can't be reborn with some of those old parts, so they do have to kind of die and fall off. And that's, you know, like that journey through the desert by yourself.

Sari Cowsert [00:40:16]:
You're finding your people. And even this year for me, there's been some friends that have fallen off, and I'm calling in, like, the people that do match with that charmed life that you're talking about.

Lisset King [00:40:31]:
Yes, yes. That's. They're coming. They, you know, like, seeks, like, frequency matches. And that is. That is a very sad part of it, right? Like, the loss of it. But that's. That's the restructuring.

Lisset King [00:40:50]:
You know, my favorite, I love butterflies. I love them so much. There's by my mom's place in Massachusetts. There's a butterfly sanctuary, and they're flying all over the place, and they land on you and all this stuff. My favorite thing to watch is the butterflies coming out of the chrysalis. I will stand in front of a window with all these people and root for them. And I'm like, oh, my God. You're almost there.

Lisset King [00:41:12]:
That's so, like. And my family's walking around. I've spent, like, an hour just staring at them and going, this one's been fighting for, like, 20 minutes. Watch. It's coming. Like, watch the moment. I could cry. It's so beautiful.

Lisset King [00:41:28]:
There was one that was struggling, struggling, struggling, and it's, like, struggling. And I watched it surrender. All it did was like. And the second it let its weight drop, it cracked open.

Sari Cowsert [00:41:41]:
Oh, that's good.

Lisset King [00:41:42]:
Yes. And I saw one wing come out, and I saw the other, and, like, just. Tears started just to fall down my face because that's life.

Sari Cowsert [00:41:54]:
True that. True that. Right? And it's. It's that. And that I always say, like, it's that fight life. That. That just feels, like, exhausting. It feels like you're the fucking energizer bunny, or it feels like you're running on a track and somebody has, like, a bungee wrapped around you and you're not fucking getting anywhere.

Sari Cowsert [00:42:14]:
And, you know, when we just let go, that it's just like, okay.

Lisset King [00:42:20]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:42:22]:
And again, a thing we weren't taught, right?

Lisset King [00:42:24]:
No, we're not taught to let go. And the thing, you know, that letting go process, people don't come to me until they're ready to let go. I've had people, like, talk to me and even had an intake call last week, and literally a woman said, I'm not ready to change. And I was like, well, I'm not your practitioner. With love. With love and light. I'm like, I'm not your practitioner. And that's okay, too.

Lisset King [00:42:54]:
This. The getting ready to let go takes the longest part. It's the longest part of the breakthrough session. Like, I'm sitting and I'm talking, and I'm listening to the person tell their entire story and all this stuff, and they're telling it from the truth of who they are and from their perspective of, like, no, but you don't understand. This happened to me. And I'm like, mm hmm. Yeah, no, that was hard.

Sari Cowsert [00:43:17]:
And how much. How much of that do you feel like comes from? And I don't know what your belief system is, but I can take a guess. Comes from this control that we don't believe that there's an external entity working with us in this co creation.

Lisset King [00:43:42]:
Absolutely. Absolutely. It's that loneliness, instant loneliness that comes with, like, it's not only. It's lonely to be disconnected from others, from yourself, from source. And when there is no connection to anything outside, sometimes the only thing we have is our baggage. Like, I make a joke. I'm like, this is my emotional support baggage. Like, this is.

Lisset King [00:44:14]:
This is. My grandma gave me this. This hatred of my body. Yeah. That came from my grandma. You know? Like, people will hold on to this thing, and it's. It's. It is.

Lisset King [00:44:26]:
It's like. It's the only thing I know, so I have control there.

Sari Cowsert [00:44:32]:
Well, and it's like armor, too, right? It's armor that, you know, whether it's that 15 extra pounds or whatever it is that we're holding on to. I mean, I lost, like, 35 pounds in my spiritual awakening process, which was also, like, two years, but still, you know, just that constant letting, like, I don't want this shit anymore. You know, like, it. It's. It's so over. And there's not this. I mean, there's pieces of. I would say it's cousins that have tried to come back sometimes, and, you know, are we conscious enough to notice them? And sometimes we aren't.

Sari Cowsert [00:45:10]:
Sometimes, you know, we fall back in, and sometimes we come back out, and it's all, I think, like I said, a part of that beautiful process of up and down in valleys and hills. And it's when I forget, right, that I am in co creation in this life, and that is. And I think that when I fall back, I tend to, like, want to take the reins on. Like, I got this all by myself, and I think that's a. That's a story that a lot of people have.

Lisset King [00:45:44]:
Yes. I just want to give you kudos for the releasing of the weight, because that's a. But it's more than I. I firmly believe that everyone is beautiful at every size, and you're perfect exactly where you are. And I will say that's release work. Like, you've been releasing, and you cannot release on the inside without it releasing on the outside.

Sari Cowsert [00:46:11]:
Right.

Lisset King [00:46:12]:
They go hand in hand, and you can often tell, like, you know, Brittany talks about this freely. She's talked about it on our podcast. Like, we did release work. I helped her with getting rid of release work, and then she had to take action. Right. Obviously, it doesn't happen the moment you let go of a belief. Your bank account still looks the same. Your body still looks the same.

Lisset King [00:46:37]:
You have to take action. You have to go for a compelling future. And that release is all part of it. It's going to happen. You will release friends. You'll release weight, you'll release habits. Release work is admirable work, and not everyone is here for it.

Sari Cowsert [00:46:59]:
Yeah. And, you know, it's funny, at the time, I was still working in the salon, and people would feel like they would see me, you know, after six months or something, and they were like, wow, you look great. What are you doing? And I'd just be like, you don't want to fucking.

Lisset King [00:47:15]:
You can't handle this, right?

Sari Cowsert [00:47:17]:
Yeah, because it's not a magic wand. It's not some fucking pill I'm taking, right? It was. It's taking each process. And, I mean, you know, and then there's also things that I've put back on, right. That, like, I have to release again or. Or other things that have come up that have, you know, I've put pressure on myself to be a certain thing in my business, and then, oh, there's more weight, right. So, you know, and it is this ebb and flow. It's not this constant.

Sari Cowsert [00:47:43]:
And it's so much. And I'm speaking this because this is what I've experienced. Not, I say we, but, um, I know a lot of other people may be experiencing this as well, is that, you know, even after my. My healing, my awakening from my chronic anxiety for so many years, and I just felt. I felt like that butterfly. I felt like, damn, I just got fucking reborn. And that lasted for, like, a good two years where I was just like, this is fucking amazing. And then, you know, you decide to go down a different path of life.

Sari Cowsert [00:48:19]:
Right? Okay, I'm going to start a new business. And then it's like, oh, this, this, you know, it's like being a newborn baby in a new world, and you get suggestible to people's informations, and then you kind of forget who you are.

Lisset King [00:48:33]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [00:48:33]:
And then you're like, okay, now I remember who I am. Let's get back on track. Right. But it's. It's just like you said, it always starts with that awareness.

Lisset King [00:48:42]:
Absolutely. And, you know, I'll say we're. Again, just. I'm reminding you of what you already know. And I never like to say I'm teaching anyone. I'm reminding people of the truth. You. We're always letting go, and we're always leveling up.

Lisset King [00:49:01]:
Like, it's not growth, is not linear. It's cyclical.

Sari Cowsert [00:49:04]:
Right, right.

Lisset King [00:49:05]:
But are we cycling up? Like, growth is cycling up, decay is cycling down. Right. So if we're truly cycling up, you will want to expand your business and new level, new devil. Right. Like, you go for the new thing, and then, ooh, baggage around that. Oh, how dare I want to be a millionaire? How dare I desire this much?

Sari Cowsert [00:49:31]:
Because then that's like challenging other belief systems that you haven't had your eye on yet, right.

Lisset King [00:49:39]:
Yes.

Sari Cowsert [00:49:39]:
That were lurking in the background somewhere, waiting for their turn to come up, you know?

Lisset King [00:49:45]:
Yeah, absolutely. Brittany and I just got married. We. And we had our wedding ceremony. We'd been married for years, but we had our wedding ceremony, and I was. I was really in this place of, like, do we really need to? And she really wanted a wedding, and so I leaned in. I was like, you know what? I'm choosing in? I'm choosing into going all in on this wedding. And what I realized was that was such a rite of passage, but it brought up my stuff.

Lisset King [00:50:10]:
There was something about being witnessed by all the people I love. Making this declaration to someone was this whole new. And it brought up stuff for me to grow through, to elevate through, and I loved. I'm so grateful that we did it, because what I.

Sari Cowsert [00:50:28]:
It was beautiful.

Lisset King [00:50:29]:
It was beautiful. It was unbelievable. It exceeded our wildest dreams. And that's what we said is, like, may it exceed our wildest dreams again. That's part of my charm. Life is like, people were like, you. Wow. What a wedding.

Lisset King [00:50:43]:
People came up to us being like, this was my favorite wedding, you know? And it was incredible to be. To face the part of me that was like, I don't want to be seen that big. I don't want to be the center of attention. Whoa. It's scary to declare myself in front of someone, you know? And. And we did. And I don't regret one thing about it was fantastic. So much.

Sari Cowsert [00:51:11]:
Yeah, I love it. I saw lots of videos. But I do want to ask, even just within that, maybe even just to go a little deeper, what. What. What belief about yourself wasn't okay to be seen at that level?

Lisset King [00:51:33]:
That's a really great question that, like, I feel that one as I cycle up, you know, having a podcast and, like, being so vocal about our history. Like, was that first step of, like, oh, I'm scared to be seen? Or what if I say the wrong thing and it's out there, you know? And then what was coming up for me in the wedding was, how dare I be this big and this great, like, wow. I am. How dare I have my dream photographer who took epic shots, you know, and two videographers. How dare I want to do a pole dance as our first wedding dance? Because that's what we did. We met in a pole studio. And, like, not only that, I'm perfect. Performing at my wedding, I'm like, all eyes on me and my wife, and we're bringing it.

Lisset King [00:52:28]:
And I think it was a fear of being seen in all of my greatness.

Sari Cowsert [00:52:34]:
Resonate with that one.

Lisset King [00:52:36]:
Yeah, there's no going, if they see you that big, they're gonna know how big you are. And that was, like, people. People at our wedding, like, their circling back to perception. A lot of people's perception of me shattered in a, like, in a beautiful way into this new mold of, like, oh, you're. Like. You've. You've changed. And it's beautiful.

Lisset King [00:53:05]:
And it's like, my. When I was witnessed in that greatness and that. In that beauty, feeling fucking beautiful, you know, dressed in this wonderful green suit. Like, I was like, oh, I can dress like this. I can be this person. Like, I'm allowed to be this fly. I'm allowed to slay every day. It was.

Lisset King [00:53:26]:
It was this leveling up that I didn't. I. Yeah, it was like a. How dare you? And I don't know where those voices came from, but there was a lot of, you know, stuff in my child. I'd be like, you're not that cute. You're not that special. Like, you know, things like that. And it's just, like, showed up at my wedding.

Lisset King [00:53:44]:
I'm like, hell the fuck I am. And you're gonna see.

Sari Cowsert [00:53:49]:
And, you know, as I assume everyone at your wedding was. Had so much love for you and Brittany both. Right? And there's something to say, too, about the safety that it feels to be that expression of yourself in that container of people, right? Because even, like, we're currently moving from Dallas to Austin, and I've lived most of my life in Dallas, and there's a lot of, you know, baggage there. There's a lot of history. There's a lot of people that, like, still see me in this way, right, that I was, and they can't see me in the way that I'm in now. And that's their programming as well. But there's something so liberating about we're moving to Austin because it has a bigger spiritual community, and there's just more people there that I know that are very heart centered and to walk into that environment knowing that it's okay to be that full expression of you and allow yourself to embody it more and more and more and more. Right.

Sari Cowsert [00:54:53]:
And then we're just attracting more of that charmed life and to just let go of the, like, I just get to fucking be me today.

Lisset King [00:55:01]:
Yeah. Yeah. And it's perfect. And it's perfect. If it were meant to be any other way, it would be so, like, in the divinity of all of it, we are the perfect expression of ourselves now. And so I can look back and go, why did I say that 15 years ago on Facebook? But, like, at that moment, that was the divine expression of me.

Sari Cowsert [00:55:22]:
Yeah. And we love her.

Lisset King [00:55:24]:
We love, like, my growth journey has been, like, the glow up has been incredible and, but it would not have started with this thing I believe is not working. And I actually have a choice to put it.

Sari Cowsert [00:55:42]:
Choice.

Lisset King [00:55:43]:
Choice.

Sari Cowsert [00:55:45]:
That's such a big one. Yeah. And to choose to be, and I think to have that courageousness. Right. That first step of courageousness to even decide that you get to have a choice.

Lisset King [00:56:01]:
Yes.

Sari Cowsert [00:56:03]:
And there was, even my husband and I went and saw Hamilton on Broadway last night. It was in Dallas.

Lisset King [00:56:10]:
Wonderful.

Sari Cowsert [00:56:11]:
And it's such a great story because you have, I don't know if you know the story, but Alexander Hamilton, who, he's like, the outside spoken, the, like, willing that, like, I'm going to fight for what I want. And then Aaron Burr, who's like, keep your voice low, the control. And I'm just seeing, you know, I'm seeing all this play out in front of me and the courageousness. Right. Of Hamilton to, like, not do what bur saying and to go out and do what, you know, and caused a revolution because of it.

Lisset King [00:56:42]:
Yes.

Sari Cowsert [00:56:43]:
And all it takes is that one.

Lisset King [00:56:44]:
Choice to step into your courage to be courageous and that, you know, courage can exist without fear. You can't. You have to be courageous enough to step into that. And it is, it's easy to be a critic. It's easy to be judgmental. You know, it's easy to listen and criticize and go, I don't like her hair. I don't like the way she's saying that, you know, I don't like what she's wearing. But, like, there's a, can't remember who says in this moment, but there are no statues for critics.

Sari Cowsert [00:57:18]:
This is true.

Lisset King [00:57:19]:
Then. There is no statue put up for a critic. Like, for those with the courage to truly go after their dream to make a difference, their statues of all those.

Sari Cowsert [00:57:31]:
People that's a good one. Good one to hold. Taking that one home.

Lisset King [00:57:36]:
Yes, please.

Sari Cowsert [00:57:40]:
I love that. And I just think that. Yeah. The courage and even you and your family, me and my family, Brittany and her family, each person, it's kind of like we've become this chosen one of this time to crumble. These generational issues that have been molded into who we started our lives in. And it would be much easier to sit and to, you know, hold up in the drama and watch your netflix and be on social media. It would be so easy to live that life, right? And it's. Yet we've chosen this one.

Sari Cowsert [00:58:29]:
And it can be hard, but it's so worthwhile also, in the end.

Lisset King [00:58:35]:
Yeah. I think what people don't realize is we choose our challenges. We're gonna have challenges one way or another. You get to have challenges. Part of it, it's the butterfly and the cocoon. It's. The only way it gets its wings right, is it's gotta push against it. But you get to choose your challenges.

Lisset King [00:58:52]:
I choose the challenge of living limitless life. And does that come with challenges? All the time. I meet limits and I go, huh, how am I gonna get past this one? Or I meet limits within me and go, woo. Didn't know that was there. Didn't know that wound, that fear of rejection, was keeping me from doing public speaking. Great. Do some release work. Let that go.

Lisset King [00:59:16]:
And now I'm gonna go teach a class, you know. Okay, I'm gonna let that go. And now I'm going to, you know, I'm in this. I'm on this path starting to move into more public speaking and teaching, and there is a societal wound. Doctor Joe Dispenza talks about this. There's a societal wound of those who try to stand in the front getting assassinated. Like, literally, Martin Luther King, Abraham Lincoln, JFK. Like those that have made the Malcolm x the biggest difference, I think.

Lisset King [00:59:49]:
Malcolm X, right, the guy who ran the Black Panthers. Like, it is. Like, if you don't stand in line, you will get killed. And it is. It's something that runs rampant quietly.

Sari Cowsert [01:00:03]:
Right. And that could even be just shots fired with words. Right. I mean, we have so much judgment and criticism and look at, you know, our entertainment world and, you know, all the gossip magazines, right? Like, if you're a celebrity, you're putting yourself as a target.

Lisset King [01:00:20]:
Yes.

Sari Cowsert [01:00:21]:
And, you know, that's, again, the life you've chosen. Right? You've chosen this. This extreme life, but that requires you to be exposed to everything.

Lisset King [01:00:33]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [01:00:34]:
Yeah.

Lisset King [01:00:34]:
And it's a. Again, it's a choice. Those are the challenges that come with that. There's. There's, uh. There are challenges to being a revolutionary. There are challenges to breaking the mold. There are challenges to.

Lisset King [01:00:48]:
You will not. You will be met with opposition, and that's okay. Like, we have to. Like, those are the challenges I accept. I accept that challenge, you know? And I accept the, like, the challenge of having more. I accept the challenge that comes with the charmed life, because I rather have that. Then when I was miserable at a, like, retail job, busting my ass, not making any money, sleeping with people that were not seeing who I was, like, I'm much happier with the challenges I've chosen in my adulthood.

Sari Cowsert [01:01:23]:
Yeah. People taking from you instead of adding or giving or supporting what you are.

Lisset King [01:01:30]:
Yeah.

Sari Cowsert [01:01:30]:
Yeah.

Lisset King [01:01:31]:
Amen.

Sari Cowsert [01:01:31]:
I feel that. Well, this has been beautiful. I have one more question for you, Lisette.

Lisset King [01:01:37]:
Yes.

Sari Cowsert [01:01:38]:
So, if you were given a loudspeaker that went all over the world today, what would you want to share?

Lisset King [01:01:54]:
You're perfect just the way you are. What do you wish to do with that perfection?

Sari Cowsert [01:02:03]:
Hit that one right here.

Lisset King [01:02:06]:
Now go.

Sari Cowsert [01:02:08]:
Yeah, for sure. Well, this has been beautiful. I'm so glad we decided to do this, and hopefully we will do it again as you continue expanding yourself in your public speaking world. Yeah.

Lisset King [01:02:23]:
Thank you.

Sari Cowsert [01:02:23]:
Is there any socials or anything you want to share that it will be in the show notes as well, that you want to just shout out to anyone.

Lisset King [01:02:32]:
Absolutely. So, Brittany and I have a podcast as well. It's called Honest Feedback podcast. Super fun. It's a call in show. You can find me on socials. Lissette King official. So that's spelled l I s s e t k I n G.

Lisset King [01:02:48]:
Official. And my website is lisseking, and people can set up a free consultation call with me. I like to say whether I can help you or not, I'm going to point you in the right direction, and you're going to feel better after our conversation so you can come and get some one on one love from me on my website. And I have some free hypnosis tracks on there. That's. That in itself. Those are great. You could just grab one and listen to my smooth, silky voice every morning, help you feel better about yourself.

Lisset King [01:03:19]:
And, yeah, those are the best ways to reach me. And thank you. Thank you so much for having me on. I know this has been a long time coming, but it was an absolute joy to just, you know, go down the uncharted way with you.

Sari Cowsert [01:03:34]:
Yes. Likewise, sister. I see and feel you. And I'm grateful to have you in this container. And till next time.

Lisset King [01:03:42]:
Till next time.

Sari Cowsert [01:03:43]:
Bye, guys.