Ep.64 Why Has Nothing Worked for My Anxiety? A Client Shares What Finally Got to the Root

 If you've tried the medications, the doctors, the counselors, and nothing is changing in your life, this episode is for you. Jen had tried it all too. And then she found what was actually underneath it, no more playing with symptoms and band aids.

EPISODE SUMMARY:

Jen Auchter is a functional medicine doctor. She knows all the science. She was doing all the "right" things. And she was still circling in high functioning anxiety she couldn't touch.

Her health, her business, her relationships. Everything felt connected to one root cause she just couldn't reach. Doctors treated symptoms. Counselors talked in circles. Nothing was getting to the subconscious patterns that were running the show, and she knew something needed to change, she had the knowledge, but needed the how.

In this episode, Jen shares what happened when she finally said yes to hypnotherapy and what shifted in her body, her nervous system, her hormones, and her life over eight weeks of working together.

This is a real conversation with a real woman who came in ready to put in the work, went deep into her subconscious mind, reconnected with her inner child, and came out the other side breathing easier. Literally.

If you've been wondering what hypnotherapy actually looks like, what holistic/alternative healing really means in the body, and whether any of it could work for you, this is the episode.

WHAT YOU'LL LEARN:

• Why talk therapy often misses the root cause of anxiety and subconscious patterns
• What hypnosis actually feels like from the inside (from someone who was scared of losing control)
• How the subconscious mind gets built in childhood and why that matters for healing now
• What inner child work actually does in the body
• Why your physical symptoms like hormones, gut health, irregular cycles, and inflammation are connected to your fight or flight response and thought loops
• What it means to stop being responsible for everyone else's feelings (and why that is a massive anxiety pattern)
• Why holistic healing and nervous system regulation actually show up in your physical body
• Why healing is not about becoming someone new. It's about peeling back to who you actually are.

TIMESTAMPS:

00:52 — Jen shares why she started looking for alternative healing options in 2025 01:55 — What drew Jen to hypnotherapy and how she stopped overthinking the decision 

03:44 — Sari reflects on witnessing Jen's growth 

04:20 — What Jen thought the subconscious mind was before they started 

06:35 — Jen describes hypnosis as a deep, personalized meditation (not what you think) 

07:42 — Why Sari builds trust before going deep and what happens if you skip that step 

08:38 — The inner child session: what it felt like and why it changed everything 

11:43 — How hypnotherapy compares to traditional talk therapy 

13:22 — The combination of conscious work and subconscious work 

13:53 — The Panther meditation: reclaiming power you didn't know you gave away 

17:22 — How personalized hypnosis makes meditation possible for people who "can't meditate" 

19:00 — What to do when your mind wanders during a session 

22:55 — Knowing you are the problem and not knowing how to change it 

25:13 — How people in Jen's life noticed the shift before she did 

26:38  The guilt and resentment loop: what Jen worked through and where she is now 

29:18 — What it means to stop being a chameleon and start choosing for yourself 

30:11 — Miracles happen when you stop pretending to be someone else 

33:02 — What the mind does when we replay fake anxious scenarios on loop (and how that affects your health) 

35:50 — Jen as a functional doctor on how thoughts directly affect hormones and physical health

36:56 — The parasympathetic state and what rest and repair actually does for your body 

38:50 — The physical results: gut health, hormones, cycles, breathing 

39:47 — Why giving yourself 20 minutes gives you so much more time back 

42:21 — What Jen wants you to know if you are on the fence 

43:20 — Sari on the ripple effect of doing this work 

REFLECTION:

1. What in your life right now feels like it is all pointing back to one root cause you cannot quite name?
2. When did you last ask yourself what she actually needs, not what everyone around you needs?
3. If you stopped feeling out of control tomorrow, what would change first?

FREE NERVOUS SYSTEM RESET: If anxiety feels like it is running your day and you need anxiety relief right now, download the free 5-Minute Nervous System Reset to start giving your body what it has been asking for. Link in show notes: https://thegrowthgoddess.net/free-meditation

WORK WITH SARI: If you are ready to stop living in anxiety and want to finally get to the root of it through hypnotherapy and subconscious work, you can book a free discovery call. Link in show notes: https://link.thegrowthgoddess.net/widget/bookings/freedomroadmapsession

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Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:01

Hello, everyone, and welcome back. We're gonna do things a little bit different today. Um, I'm welcoming back a friend and client, um, Jen Octor. And she was on the episode with her um partner who is also the co-host of the Gut Feelings Life Unfiltered podcast. And um, Jen decided to start working with me. And so it was, I've been asking my recent clients if they would be willing to share their experience through the hypnotherapy sessions um that we did together um to just kind of give a glimpse into what this world of hypnotherapy is, what the process can look like, how it can support you, and just to really have like a real life kind of case study in front of us. And she graciously said yes. So um, welcome, Jen, back to the show.

SPEAKER_02 1:05

Yes, thank you for having me. So fun.

SPEAKER_00 1:09

Yeah. So let's um let's kind of start with um obviously when we first met, and you and I and Melissa all decided to do a podcast together and things like this. And we we talked about functional medicine, we talked about hypnotherapy, all these things. What about hypnotherapy, or maybe even the process that I was explaining, or maybe even just me? Like what made you say, I think this could be something that could support me?

SPEAKER_02 1:43

Yeah, so the beginning of this year, well, 2025, I should say, was like a year I decided to invest in myself and to kind of find what I needed. You know, I felt like everything stemmed from one single cause, but I couldn't figure out what it was. There was like issues I was having with my health, there was issues I was having in my business, issues I was having with my mother and relationships. And I felt like it was all so connected, like everything was so intertwined. And it was like, you know, you see a doctor for your health problems, and it's like that wasn't even fixing it. And I saw a counselor with my mom, and that wasn't fixing it. And it was like I knew I was the problem, basically, or the cause of everything. And after doing a lot of research, I found it was a lot of it was my nervous system. And so I started kind of looking into that field and and then just being more open to different options of different healers out there because there's just so many different avenues, and whatever works for that person, you know, is amazing. And so after meeting you, which you were sent to me by the universe, because things just started like moving into my life, and I just decided to start saying yes to things when before I would like really question it and overthink it and research it and like wouldn't get anywhere with anything. So this time I was like, you know, it just felt so right. And then the podcast, when we talk about what you did, and I was like, I really think that this is kind of like a root cause of what's going on. I need someone to, because I knew my subconscious was a problem. I knew I was a problem, and I was like, but how do I fix it? So then you were sent to me, and I was like, I think you're how I fixed it. Yeah. I love that. And it's been amazing. I absolutely have loved every second of it, and I feel so empowered working with you.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I love that. Um, it's been amazing to witness you grow through our time together, which has been a lot, by the way. And I just want to give you a pat on the back because you've been so courageous in stepping into the subconscious. So, with that in mind, before we kind of started working together, I'm just curious what was your understanding of what the subconscious was?

SPEAKER_02 4:08

Um, I think I thought of it as like, I guess, thoughts I was telling myself, and I knew I was not a nice person to myself. Um, I had a lot of these uh, I guess, survival patterns that just got deeper and deeper. I I feel like in the past couple years, they were just like spiraling. Um, and I could just feel myself like even like the lack of joy and, you know, just nothing was good enough and just the multitasking was out of control. Um, just trying to succeed, I feel like, but I didn't even know what success looked like. I think I had a different version of what success was back then. Um, and it's just I felt like I was like drowning and pushing a boulder up a hill. And even I had like reached out to a business coach. Actually, it was it was a male. Um, and I told him in in this call I had with him, I was like, I just want life to be easier. And he just laughed at me. And I was like, okay, you're supposed to tell me you're gonna help me make life easier, but I feel like working with you, like everything has become easier. It's like everything's lighter, everything's more fun, and it's helped all the areas of my life.

SPEAKER_00 5:26

Yeah, it really does. And it's so wild. And, you know, we talk a lot about this in our sessions about how much our emotions are so much tied to um how our body feels, how we're perceiving the outside world. And when things are heavy, right? We're feeling heavy. Um, what are we going to experience in our outside world? And you just said that beautifully. Like when we start tackling some of these root causes, then it allows things to be fun. It allows things to be easy. Um, so what would you say? Um, again, just kind of like your understanding of you shared what what your understanding of the subconscious was, but what about what your understanding of what hypnosis was?

SPEAKER_02 6:22

Oh yeah. I don't think, I mean, I feel like I was, I did a hypnosis session like, oh my gosh, probably like 15 years ago, but I don't really remember it. Um and I I didn't really know what to expect. Um, it's so funny because everybody has a different thought. Like I was talking to somebody else about it and they were like terrified, like, oh, I can't, like they didn't think they would have control of their mind or body, which um it's definitely not the truth. I I it it's been a very like deep, beautiful meditation that's more, I think, personalized that really allows you to, I think, get into the subconscious and make some changes because it's so personalized, because you talk to us, you know, before you do the hypnosis and you kind of get get in there and figure out like what area you need to kind of kind of yeah, like what avenue you need to like how to get into the subconscious because it's tricky. And I feel like you do have to do a little like detective work initially, and then you're like, uh, I got her, I'm gonna get in there.

SPEAKER_00 7:29

Yeah, yeah, for sure. Um, so with that, I think that's a lot of people's fear is that they the idea of going into the subconscious is yes, we have to like let go of control. We have to like give up the reins, you know, to me. But in reality, um I always say, I think that you actually have more control in the hypnotic state than you actually do in real life because now not only are you having the experience within your mind, within that inner mind and your subconscious, but you're also very aware of what's happening. Would you say that you were aware of what was happening in your body?

SPEAKER_02 8:13

Yeah, definitely.

SPEAKER_00 8:15

Could you um maybe just like give us an example where um you are like having the experience and also aware of that?

SPEAKER_02 8:25

Yeah, I mean, I uh the the two meditations that I just uh they are they really touch my heart, like they even make me cry, like thinking about it. Um was the inner child one. And it was like I uh like I connected with her so deep. And it really made me change some of the ways I am because it's like I cannot abandon her. Like she, like I connected so deep with her. Like, how could I ever betray her, abandon her, just not even listen to her, which is what I was doing. I was totally abandoning myself for so long. And it's like I I like to stand up for women. Like, you know, I'm like even for like the medical field, like you're not being treated right. And it's like I got to that point with me, and I was like, I need to stand up for her. Like she, like you even said in the hypnosis, like she is your top priority. You cannot like abandon her anymore. And once we connected, I was like, wow, I can't, I really can't like and people could tell you that all they want to as you're you know living your normal life, but until you really connect with her, that's when it's like hardcore stop. I will not abandon her anymore. And that was just so beautiful. I still have like tears when I do that hypnosis every time.

SPEAKER_00 9:50

Yeah. And and what's so important about that, you know, and even I would say we didn't do that probably until your, I don't know, like third or fourth session, I think. Um, but with that in those first few sessions was really about building a layer of trust for for me to even be able to take you to that point to where you could be present. Cause I mean, there's no way, I mean, I wouldn't say there's no way, but if we would have done that the first session, how do you think your body would have responded?

SPEAKER_02 10:27

Yeah, probably not the same. It wasn't ready for it. Right.

SPEAKER_00 10:32

Yeah. And so those first few found foundational sessions were so important to really like gently ease you into what the subconscious is, what hypnosis is, and get your body familiar with that so that when we step into some of those deeper emotions, you're not like, because that could be really traumatic, right? Like if I if for some reason something really terrible happened in your childhood that maybe like you blocked out or something like that showed up that first session, you probably like could could run for the hills because you're like, I'm not fucking going into that again, right?

SPEAKER_01 11:12

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

So it's really important to have those first few sessions. And then so also like another thing that I think is really important that's different from just being hypnotized is a lot of the like foundational conscious work that we really talk about. Um, what would you say about that really helped you through the process also?

SPEAKER_02 11:40

Um I feel like it's I mean, I guess I haven't really seen a therapist on a regular basis just with my mother a couple of times. Um, but I felt like this was like therapy times a hundred. Like it was more beneficial in a shorter time where it was what I needed. Like I didn't it's hard to explain because it it is like your subconscious and it is these limiting thoughts and these patterns, and it's like this is what needs to be healed. And I feel like it's missed with like your regular therapist, like it's much deeper work, but it's so worth it. It's so it just changes your entire life. And I felt like that part where we did talk about a lot, and then we could kind of go back and forth, and you asked me some hard questions, and um then from there, then you took that into the hypnosis. It's just like such a beautiful combination.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Thank you. Uh it is. It is, it's so amazing. And this is literally why I decided to become a hypnotherapist to be able to see the amount. I mean, you know, think of like what we did in, you know, like an eight or nine week period versus seeing, you know, just a talk therapist year after year is so powerful. And and there's a lot of talk therapists out there that use hypnosis, but you know, using it in this strategic way to build this foundation to really allow yourself to go deeper to hit these wounds. Because it's one thing to talk about it, it's another thing to heal it emotionally in your body at that subconscious level.

SPEAKER_02 13:27

Absolutely. It's even like sometimes you gave me like things that I didn't even know I needed, which was super cool because I've noticed that too with a lot of women. Like, we don't know what we need, or we don't know what we like, or it's because we've been living so long, like for other people. Are they happy? Are they okay? And so it's it was cool when you gave me one of the hypnosises where I was the Panther. That was also another one of my favorite ones. And it was like so empowering. And it's just taking my power back and like reclaiming, and it was like you asked in the hypnosis, when did I give my power away? And like just the tears. Again, it's like, God, we do what we give our power away. But I didn't know I needed that so bad, like to just take it back. And uh, that was just another beautiful one too. I love it.

SPEAKER_00 14:21

Yeah. And I think that that is literally why I'm here to me, even in my own healing journey. It was like the the things that I went through, which so much of my own work and the process that I went through is fueled into these sessions because I'm a product of what can happen when you show up and you actually do this work. And what I got back was reclaiming my power, was feeling so vibrant, was feeling so radiant. And even through our sessions, like I could see that show up in you even more each session, and having this courage to actually show up and be this virgin. Because I think, you know, it's that like famous Marian Williamson quote that's like, our fear isn't that we're inadequate, our fear is that we're more powerful than beyond measure, right? And we've been taught to stay small, or our power has been taken away from us. And so as you're, you know, stepping into these meditations, you know, what do you feel like? Obviously, I ask you to um, you know, once we have a session, then you get the recorded version that I put to music. And um, it's just a really beautiful experience. Um to revisit that, like just Panther, for example, and to like revisit reclaiming your power day after day, like what like go through that experience a little bit.

SPEAKER_02 15:59

Yeah, it's so transform. I mean, and and you say this too, like a lot of the work is in what we do in between the sessions and doing it every day. And you know, for those of you who don't like meditation, like this is I don't know, it's so beautiful. Like it's so core, like it just is amazing. There is nothing like it. I don't even know how to explain it. Like you are transformed somewhere different, and it's like it just cracks your heart open. It's like, oh my gosh. Um, not very descriptive here. That's okay. But um, yeah, no, I absolutely love it. And the recordings are so gorgeous. Like when you put them to music and like the timing, I'm like, oh my God, she's so good at this. Like, this is just like so beautiful, and your voice is like so calming. Um, just all of it is just, and so it's like a 22-minute session, and it felt like it was like five minutes. And you know, for us that like struggle, like, uh, 10 minutes of meditation, like it's just you're in a completely different place, which it makes, I guess, meditation so much easier because you're so transformed somewhere else, and like all the senses are involved in it, and it's just it does. And like you even say too, like, we're rewiring or we're those ruts in the ground, we're like filling them in. And you can even feel like I've noticed it more recently. Like, I still have some of the things, but it's not as deep of a rut. Like, and I think the more that I do these meditations, the more I'm gonna fill that in. And I also like you kind of get like revelations of things while you're in the hypnosis. Like, I have always been so shy and like hate public speaking. I don't like to be seen, or didn't, I should say. But in that Panther meditation, it's like I am meant for so much more, and I need to be seen and I need to be heard, and um I'm gonna follow that. I'm gonna, I'm gonna not resist it. I'm gonna follow like what I need. And the Panther even told me she was like, you need to have more fun. And I'm like, yeah, like I've been making things so hard. Like, and it even annoys me when people make things harder than they need to be. And it's like, wow, I was doing that to myself. It's like, let's see how much fun we can have. So you get like all these things and these hypnosis and meditations, you're like, oh, okay, I need to, I need to do this. Like, I'm not gonna question it. I'm not gonna like it, I I'm being told, and this is how it's gonna go.

SPEAKER_00 18:36

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's so amazing. And what would you say, like, so, you know, especially for the people out there who maybe have tried meditating and they're just like, oh, I can't do this, you know, like I can't, um, I'm I'm thinking about everything. Like I can't slow down my thoughts or I can't have no thoughts, right? That's not really what the point of these hypnosis sessions are. Not to say that like we don't have thoughts like that come in during the during the actual hypnosis or when you listen to the recording, but what would you say for you um makes this so different from just like trying to meditate in silence or something like that?

SPEAKER_02 19:18

I think because it's so personalized, like it's so what I need and what my subconscious and all of those things. I mean, I'm gonna have I do have thoughts sometimes that take me away. And it depends on the day. Like some days, you know, I'm a perfectionist. So it's like, oh my gosh, I did so horrible that day. But, you know, even I still got something out of it. Like I still was like, oh, I was told this thing that at that one, even though I felt like my mind was super wandering. But then another one, you'll be so deep in it and nothing can pull you out from it. And it's like, whoa, that was like beautiful, loved that. So it's like every day might be different depending on what's going on with your mind. But for me, it's so different from yeah, just like a basic meditation where it's generic to everyone and it's easier to get deep into it when it is specific for you.

SPEAKER_00 20:11

Yeah. I think that's the tipping point 100%. Like who who doesn't we're all, you know, so self-invested. We're all the main character of our story. And who wouldn't want to go on like an adventure with them being the main character and have these like kind of cool mystical, magical experiences that we wouldn't ever have in our, you know, a life, in our eyes wide open life. And so it's it's fun to play in, you know, like, um, and I think that that's also what can be motivating about like, oh, Sari says I have to do this, you know, every day. But it's like, like you're talking, you know, to be able to go love your inner child and emotional it makes you. And and maybe like, maybe there were some feelings of like sadness or grief that came up, but maybe there's also joy of like, the more that I continue to visit her, the like happier she's gonna be. And and then like, what kind of like play could we invite into our life? You know, and the same thing with the Panther, like to build this courage, to build to build this like fearlessness. And then it's like, um, we think about if if our life was like a virtual reality, um, and you were like putting on a virtual reality headset, and that is our life. I kind of think of when we go in and do these hypnosises and we build like new parts of ourselves, it's like we're getting this kind of like upgrade or we're getting this new superpower at this like new level. Like we just like, oh, we passed the level. We get to get to another level when we go back into. The recording and gain a new superpower. And then you come back into the virtual reality as an as like an upgraded character.

SPEAKER_01 22:09

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:10

And like how fun that could be.

SPEAKER_01 22:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 22:14

And this is why I say it's not it's not scary. It may seem scary because um it's an unknown, but I think that like just as you said, like you knew that you were the problem, which that's sometimes the hardest part to recognize is that I'm the one like causing things to be this way and wanting to change, but not really knowing where to start. Um do you feel like this process gave you a start?

SPEAKER_02 22:52

Oh my gosh, yeah. Like, I mean, I feel like everybody needs this, but you might not be at that point in your life. Like you do have to be open and ready. And I feel like for so long, I knew I was the one that was holding myself back in all areas of my life. And they were so intertwined and connected. And again, yeah, it's like, but how? Like who can help me? Because it is hard to know like who who can help me because I feel like you're, I don't know. I feel like you're more than like a hypnotherapist. Like you're you're a healer. You're it's just like you're like a functional medicine doctor. You're a root cause doctor. Like you find the root cause.

SPEAKER_00 23:37

Like that's I'm a root cause emotional doctor.

SPEAKER_02 23:40

You are. And it's such a huge piece of your health and your life. Like for me, it's like, you know, our my goal every day is like, how can I be the healthiest person I could be every day and feel the best I can feel every day? Like, and this is a huge piece of it because it addresses all areas of your health, like happiness, your emotional health, your physical health, your mental health, even your hormones get more regulated. Like it's just, it affects everything. And I do feel like everyone needs it, but you just have to be ready to receive it, like be open to receiving this type of help because it is transformative.

SPEAKER_00 24:22

Yes. Well, I wouldn't say that I'm a healer. I would say that I'm a guide. I say I always say, like, I just have a flashlight and I get to shine it on the parts of you that you haven't allowed yourself to see. And um, you know, with that, it's kind of like we're, you know, those like blinders that like horses wear on their eyeball. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of feel like we're like going through life like that. And like if we just like took those off, we'd be like, oh, there's like things over here and over here, right? And that's kind of like what we get to do in the sessions, which is fun. Okay. So I have a couple more questions. Um, number one is have people in your life or your relationships noticed anything different about you through this process?

SPEAKER_02 25:13

Um, my husband has. Um and then I had a patient come in the other day who I hadn't seen in a couple years. And she was like, oh my God. She was like, You look so good. Your energy is so good. And I was like, what? She was like, You're you just seem so happy. And I'm like, was I not happy before? But maybe I I had this, like you talk about layers, like it almost felt like like saran wrap, you know, over you, like holding you down. And like we talk about too, like we want the expansion, like breaking this restriction, which was a huge piece that we worked through. Like just like my breathing, like I could, I could never breathe. I felt like I never had enough oxygen. Um, I would always have to take like big gasps during the day because I was just never breathing. Um, so that has definitely gotten better. And it's like, yeah, I don't feel as constricted, I think.

SPEAKER_00 26:16

Yeah, I love that. So with that, um going back to, you know, the version that was seeking answers, was seeking how do I do things differently? Um, and that started our sessions with us. Like, what would you say is different? Um, you know, aside from the breathing and obviously what people have said, but for you yourself, um I know one of the big things that we worked on was um responsibility of others and um just this kind of like maybe guilt that you held or this guilt and resentment loop that would show up for you. Um what how would you say that that has, you know, and and this isn't, I wouldn't say that like we're waving a magic wand, like just poof after a, you know, six session package that it's gone, but it's you've you're you're taking a sledgehammer to it, you know, and you're breaking off chunks. What would you say when it comes to things like those feelings in your body, whether it be guilt or resentment that you were holding before or the weight of the responsibility, like how you feel about those now in your life?

SPEAKER_02 27:34

Yeah. I mean, I think another area that you really honed in on is like this opportunity to choose for choice. Like I can choose to feel differently, I can choose to do something different. And I don't feel as responsible for other people's feelings or needs. Like they can also choose. Like I can choose for me, they can choose for them. Um, but I felt like I was like a chameleon in the world, just looking at everybody in my surroundings. Like, how could I change to be what they needed me to be? And it's exhausting. Like every single person, oh, I gotta be happy for this person. I can't be too happy for that person. I have to be whatever it might be, just trying to read each person. And now it's like I'm letting go of like the control, I think, because that is a very controlling trait. Um, but like I'm only responsible for me. And even if I'm in my true authentic self and I trigger them in some way, that's on them for their reaction. And maybe they were meant to be triggered to like learn something.

SPEAKER_00 28:55

Oh my gosh. I like these words that are coming out of you are just gold. That means that you were listening, Jen. I love this. It went in. I love it.

SPEAKER_02 29:04

Oh my God. So, like, I know it's daily work for sure, but I feel I do feel like I am a different person. And but I also feel like you did remind me of this too, where like I was becoming a different version of myself, but at the same time, you reminded me to connect to her instead of like reinventing a completely different person. I still brought her with me, but became a different version of myself that actually loved and supported and put myself first because I wasn't doing that before. And she was an empty shell that I found out in my hypnosis.

SPEAKER_00 29:48

Yeah. And, you know, that goes back. I feel like our last session, you know, I said this, it's like miracles happen when you stop pretending to be someone else. And so when you say that like you were not trying to like become a new version, right? But like, if anything, I you know, I always say like it's about taking those layers off to reveal the actual authentic version that you are. And that's what you've been doing, right? And you actually got to experience that real, true, authentic version that you are. And now you have, you know, it's like you've gone down there and like you've like fished hooked her. And like, you know, maybe she's not at the top of the ocean yet, but like she's so much further up than like the deep dark steps that you didn't even know she existed.

SPEAKER_01 30:43

Yeah, very true.

SPEAKER_00 30:46

Yeah. Yeah. And and what's so cool too about just your inner child experience that I just want to like touch on for those people that are listening is your subconscious is built from the ages of zero to eight. And so we're all just these, you know, five, six, seven, eight-year-olds running around in human bodies, you know, reacting from an eight-year-old's level of mind. And that can't change until we go and address how they were affected. And like that's just such important work. And we can talk about it all day long, but until you really get to have, let's let's just this is making me think of something, but um, you know, we've talked about before the the brain and the mind doesn't know the difference between you and I seeing each other right now on screens, right? Like we're not in the same room. There's some magical Wi-Fi signal that we don't even see, but it's allowing us to be on the same screen, see each other's voices or hear each other's voices. And so, in that same way, the mind doesn't know the difference between us experiencing this and having that inner experience, whether it be with our thoughts, remembering a conversation or situation, and then having those really potent experiences with your inner child. So what would you say your understanding is knowing that and how powerful these experiences are that we need to feel in our body?

SPEAKER_02 32:38

Yeah, I mean, I guess because the mind does go to the more negative, but you're right, it doesn't know the difference. So even if we create a different scenario, we're choosing like you I keep hearing your voice all the time. It's like, I can choose a different what I want to see. And it's like, yeah, like what was I choosing before? I was, I was like, again, you said, like projecting my past experiences onto the future. And I wasn't allowing room for all of the possibilities of something good happening. I was like, no, this is how I'm like literally these loops in my head would be just fake scenarios, constantly replaying them in my head. And it was so bad for my health. Um but like it was so like it was almost like I was ingraining that deeper and deeper, this loop of negative what was gonna happen, even though it didn't happen. Where if I had learned to, like you said, with the breath or something to get out of that state and then saw something different happening, it would have been a completely different experience.

SPEAKER_00 33:54

Yeah. Yeah. And amazing that you have that superpower now. You've been created.

SPEAKER_01 34:01

I hear you in my head all the time now. You're ingrained in my subconscious.

SPEAKER_00 34:06

I love that. Okay, one more thing. So going back to the body, so the the version of yourself before that was kind of um in this survival mechanism, right? Because we're in these sort of negative loops and thought patterns that are keeping us stuck. You, you know, we talked so much about how emotions have a vibration. What do these negative emotions, what type of vibration do they have? Very low. Yeah. And so, and is that low vibration loving to your autonomic system and the physical body?

SPEAKER_02 34:51

No, definitely not.

SPEAKER_00 34:54

And so what are you had mentioned that um, you know, you've had different health health concerns and things like that of that nature, that when we're stuck in constant fight or flight through the hormones of stress flowing in our body, right? This is your zone of genius being a functional doctor. Um, what do you know about that now and how that worked in conjunction to some of these things that were showing up in your body?

SPEAKER_02 35:27

Yeah, I mean, it's amazing how much control and power that we do have over it, where I feel like we give it away to like doctors, like, oh, they're gonna fix me when it's like we have so much power to control and fix ourselves. So it can just even start with your thoughts and how that's gonna stimulate different hormones. And it's just it's a it's so simple, but it's like so powerful. And like I feel I feel like so many people just disregard it because it's so simple. It's not like a sexy fix or like this medication or this drug or this hormone is gonna fix me. It's like you have so much of the power in yourself to regulate your hormones and to decrease your cortisol and how much of an impact that's gonna have on everything in your body, your cycles, like your insulin, your metabolic health, your blood sugar. Like it's it's all so connected. And it's like, yeah, it's it is empowering to know, like, oh my gosh, I can control a lot of this too.

SPEAKER_00 36:33

Yeah. And just my thoughts. You had shared with me, um, you know, when I'm telling you, like, hey, Jen, you need to do this 20-minute recording every single day, right? And not only is the recording, you know, helping your nervous system in those 20 minutes, but like hopefully the that same feeling um lingers a little bit, right? Until something triggers us to react and then turn on those fight or flight mechanisms. But, you know, the longer that we're in these more parasympathetic states, which is the rest and repair state in our body, you know, things started to show up for you. Like I think even, you know, you were saying like your cycle was actually more regular as we started doing this. And so just seeing the physical effects also of what giving your body more love, more nourishment was doing.

SPEAKER_02 37:33

Yeah. Just putting myself into the parasympathetic more, which is that rest and digest and healing. And when we get into that state, then our body can heal and regulate. So if we're spending all this time in fight or flight with these thoughts and everything, we're telling ourselves and the multitasking and just the stress of life, we're not healing, we're not regulating our hormones, we're inflamed, and it's just a life of dysregulation. So when we're able to be in this parasympathetic as much as we can be, and yeah, the meditation puts us there. And if we can carry that with us longer throughout the day, then we can be in that rest and digest and heal state. Like it's it's just so important. Even like gut health. Oh my gosh, I can't tell you that's a big area that definitely improved after working with you too. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00 38:27

Yeah. So what do you like? Um, I know that endometriosis was a thing that you um had dealt with and things like that. Like, what do you feel like just to like dream in this possibility? Like the more and more that you continue to make this, you know, just like how we wake up every day and we take our vitamins or we take our medication or or whatever, we feed ourselves, right? Like, or, you know, we go to the gym, but we what are we doing? We're doing something for our physical health, but what are we doing for our mental health, right? And how they have to kind of coincide. So if you continued, you know, doing these recordings or or finding even new ways, right, to to bring yourself into this um parasympathetic state every day, like what could that do for your body? Like, how could you see yourself like not having to deal with some of the things that you've dealt with? Like, what would that feel like for you?

SPEAKER_02 39:24

Um, so freeing. Like, like you had so much more time too. It's like, it's funny because like you give yourself this little bit of time, which people say, Oh, I don't have time in the morning. I don't have time to do like a 20-minute meditation, or or these very simple things, but it's like you have to make the time. By giving yourself the time, you give yourself so much more time. Because I was spending so much time in doctor's appointments or doing different treatments or therapies. And it's like we ignore the one little thing that would actually even give us more time and freedom. And that's just like giving our body what it needs. That's learning to even look in and connect. Like, what does she need? What is she asking for? And then from there, it's like, then we can have like very precise choices and decisions that we make because we're listening to what we need, but we we've blocked that out so much where we're like, I don't know what I need. And then I'm gonna go to these 15 different doctors, and that's like takes up all your time. When if you just made some time for yourself, like just sitting with yourself, just one-on-one with her, it's so powerful. And it just again, it affects every area of your life. I can't even tell you how much it's gonna transform you.

unknown 40:46

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 40:48

Well, it makes me so happy again to just there, there's no place I would rather be, literally, other than with my kids and my family sometimes. But um than with courageous women like yourself who are willing to say, like, I deserve better than this. And and maybe, you know, the question is I don't know how to get there, or I don't know what it is that I have to do, but even just that curiosity, the willingness of like, I deserve something better. And you were looking for that. And for whatever reason, you know, I showed up in your life, and whether it's me or the next mentor that shows up in your life that helps you continue down this pathway. Like, you are exactly the type of company that I want to keep and and support and watch grow.

SPEAKER_02 41:43

Hmm, thank you. Likewise, I mean, I can't tell you. Like every time I did the meditation, I would just like think about how grateful I was for you. It's just, it's been so amazing working with you.

SPEAKER_00 41:58

Yes, agreed. So just one one last question. If um you were someone were to ask you again, like about your experience or someone who um was in your shoes um and obviously this worked for you, what would you want to tell them if they were listening to this episode?

SPEAKER_02 42:17

I mean, I would say uh obviously you need to do this. If you're ready, if you're tired of what's been happening, you're ready for a change, you're ready for something different, you're ready to have just full and total health all around and freedom and mental health. Like, why not try it? Like, you're only gonna make yourself better and stronger and happier and improve your life and your relationships. Like, oh my gosh, it's not even it's not even just you, it's your relationships with everyone in your life that is gonna improve too. So yeah, yeah, it's worth it.

SPEAKER_00 42:55

The ripple effect is real.

SPEAKER_01 42:58

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 43:00

Amazing. Well, I'm so grateful that you were willing to come and share your experience and your vulnerability. And I think that that's so important too, is that regardless of who we are in our life or the positions that we hold or the relationships that we represent, um it's important to share that, you know, we're all human, having a human experience. And while you are a functional doctor and have so much wisdom, I think that by you going through this process and sharing what you did, you know, yes, it's sharing your vulnerability. But if anything, you are the lived experience and how much more authority you have by being able to say, I've I've gone through this and I and I understand and I can be empathetic to your patients and all of. These things. So I'm really grateful to you.

SPEAKER_02 44:03

I'm so grateful to you. Thank you so much.

SPEAKER_00 44:06

Okay, awesome. Well, I hope you guys loved this episode and just got a glimpse of what's possible through Jen's experience. And we will have other clients hopefully come on and share if they feel comfortable about their own experience. But if you have any questions, feel free to hit me up and um potentially even message Jen. I'll I'll link your Instagram if they have any questions for you, if that's okay.

SPEAKER_02 44:36

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 44:36

Okay. Absolutely. Amazing. So we will see you next time and thanks everybody for listening.