The MiDOViA Menopause Podcast
Welcome to The MiDOViA Menopause Podcast! Your trusted source for evidence-based, science-backed information related to menopause.
MiDOViA is dedicated to changing the narrative about menopause by educating, raising awareness and supporting women in this stage of life, both at home and in the workplace. Visit midovia.com to learn more.
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The MiDOViA Menopause Podcast
Episode 016: Navigating Menopause: Holistic Health, Empowerment, and Celebrating Midlife Transitions
Embark on a transformative journey through the intricacies of menopause with us and our esteemed guest, Susan May, a menopause and midlife transition coach. We're tearing down the myths and embracing a holistic view of this life phase, one that goes beyond hot flashes and mood swings. Susan's expertise offers a beacon of guidance on how to align nutrition, hormone replacement therapy (HRT), mindset, and lifestyle tweaks to not just survive, but thrive during menopause.
Self-care takes center stage in our dialogue as we stress its crucial role in menopause management. Forget about the idea that taking time for yourself is indulgent—this episode champions the art of pausing, breathing, and setting boundaries as acts of power and self-preservation. We share stories of the small yet significant victories that come from embracing a balanced mindset, from choosing water over coffee to celebrating the functionality of our bodies instead of fixating on their form.
In closing, we delve into the insights from Lisa Mosconi's "Menopause Brain," accompanied by the refreshing perspective of Sue from midlifeevolved.com, who's breathing new life into menopause experiences with her unique menopause parties. Offering not just advice but a new lens through which to view the control we have in life, this episode is a heartfelt expression of gratitude and a reminder to find joy in every step of your menopause journey. Join us for a conversation that's about much more than symptoms—it's about shaping a life filled with purpose and pleasure during midlife and beyond.
Susan May is a Menopause and Midlife Transition Coach. She specializes in coaching Gen X women who want to understand what is happening during this challenging life phase (peri-post menopause). She uses her expertise in nutrition, HRT, mindset, and lifestyle to support women in feeling their best so they can thrive in their personal and professional lives. Sue has additional experience supporting women trying to conceive and juggling fertility treatments while working full-time.
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Welcome to The MiDOViA Menopause Podcast! Your trusted source for evidence-based, science-backed information related to menopause.
MiDOViA is dedicated to changing the narrative about menopause by educating, raising awareness and supporting women in this stage of life, both at home and in the workplace. Visit midovia.com to learn more.
The information, including but not limited to, text, graphics, images and other material contained on this website are for informational purposes only. No material on this site is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment.
Welcome to the Medovia Menopause Podcast, your trusted source for evidence-based, science-backed information related to menopause. Medovia is dedicated to changing the narrative about menopause by educating, raising awareness and supporting women in this stage of life, both at home and in the workplace. Visit medoviacom to learn more home and in the workplace. Visit Medoviacom to learn more. I'm one of your hosts, april Haberman, and I'm joined by Kim Hart. We're co-founders of Medovia, certified health coaches, registered yoga teachers and midlife mamas specializing in menopause. You're listening to another episode of our podcast, where we offer expert guidance for the most transformative stage of life, bringing you real conversations, education and resources to help you overcome challenges and reach your full potential through midlife. Join us and our special guests each episode as we bring vibrant, fun and truthful conversation and let us help you have a deeper understanding of menopause.
Speaker 1:Hi podcast friends, in this episode we're talking about navigating menopause with holistic health. We have Susan May joining us as we discuss the crucial importance of considering the whole person when addressing menopause and midlife challenges, some of the most common misconceptions or myths about menopause and some key factors that contribute to a fulfilling and empowered experience of menopause and midlife. Sue May is a menopause and midlife transition coach. She specializes in coaching Gen X women who want to understand what's happening during this challenging life phase, peri to post-menopause. She uses her expertise in nutrition, hrt, mindset and lifestyle to support women in feeling their best so they can thrive in their personal and professional lives. Sue has additional experience supporting women trying to conceive and juggling fertility treatments while working full-time.
Speaker 1:We know you'll enjoy this episode as much as we did, susan. Welcome, we're so happy that you could join us today. Thank you so much for having me. I'm happy to be here. Yeah, you bet we're thrilled to have you on the show because Kim and I are both health coaches ourselves and we all three understand the importance of health coach and the role that it plays with women in midlife and menopause.
Speaker 1:For those in our audience that aren't familiar with health coaches, can you just unpack that a little bit and explain what a health coach is, what do you do and how does it differ from other health care professionals or wellness professionals in this industry?
Speaker 2:Yeah, absolutely so. Thinking about, you know the word health coach, and I think it's amazing that you're both health coaches as well, because I think you know, no matter what we do, that training can only add to everything else we do in our lives. So I think it's really really wonderful. You know the coach piece. So, as a coach, we are experts in behavior change, in goal setting and we really are there for our clients. You know, as the support system, the cheerleader, the guide, as opposed to you know, if you went to your doctor and you know, you just have this 10 minute conversation where they're saying, okay, we'll take this medication X, y, z, we want to be there with you along for the ride and we really want the change to come from within our clients. So that's really what we specialize in as coaches. And then the health piece. So, of course, along with you know being your support system and your guide, the health piece we also, you know, learn about and study lifestyle things like nutrition and mindset and exercise, so we can help our clients along with that too.
Speaker 2:And more specifically, when it comes to midlife and menopause coaching, I know that I think the importance of that is that, as a menopause coach.
Speaker 2:I truly understand what menopause means for women, in their bodies as well as within their entire lives. So it truly does affect everything. You know, even if you're somebody that just kind of breezes through menopause I don't really know who that person is because I haven't met them yet, but I know they exist. I know they exist that just sort of breezes through menopause and is like, okay, I don't really know what the big deal is, I'm not feeling any of these things that people are talking about. You know, all the way to the person that is experiencing every symptom under the sun. Both of those people need to understand what it's doing on the inside and what it means for us as sort of the trajectory of our lives and our health. So that's why it is so important to of the trajectory of our lives and our health. So that's why it is so important to kind of have this specialty and be able to guide midlife women, you know, through this journey.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you talk about kind of helping the whole person, right. Why do you think that that's so important at this time in midlife with all the challenges?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, like I said, the menopause affects us in every aspect of our life, so internally as well as externally. I will say kind of going back a little bit, so I've been a health coach since 2005. And as a health coach we kind of go through these different phases of what we do and who we serve in our lives. And I think a lot of times with health coaches I don't know if you feel the same, but the things that happen to us personally really sort of color the women in my case, because I support women what we've gone through. We want to help other women with what they're going through. So we can't help but be sort of obsessed with these different topics as they affect us in our lives. So my first, you know, kind of niche in health coaching was fertility, because of my own fertility journey and you know how difficult that was, and I did that for a long time. I worked full time for after that in a fertility company and that's when my own menopause experience kind of came to the surface and as a health coach I didn't truly understand what was going on because this was something that I didn't learn about. So we don't, you know, even though we're in this kind of menopause bubble where we understand all these things. Most women are not, and at that time I wasn't either and I wasn't having the stereotypical sort of hot flashes. So I didn't know I was going through menopause even though, age wise, it made the most sense, and I was. You know, I was having brain fog and I was having, you know, soreness and anxiety and things that were coming from out of nowhere.
Speaker 2:So, long story short, working full time, I decided to get another certification in specifically menopause coaching, and what that did is it truly made me be able to put the pieces together? Because there's so many pieces and, like you know, like you asked, you know why is it that it's so important for us to reach the whole person when it comes to what we're going through during midlife? And I truly learned how much menopause affects, you know, not just parts of our body but parts of our lives, so our brain, our heart, you know our skin everything is affected by this and you truly need someone that can help you put the pieces together so that you can break it down in like digestible chunks of things you can do in your life to make it better. So I do think it is. It is so so important that we get this information to all women so they they feel less alone, cause that's that's really what I think the goal is here.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we find that a lot as we talk to women. It's that lack of community isolation, loneliness, I think, because we have been quiet for so long and silent about our symptoms and suffering and it hasn't been okay to talk about. And thank goodness that's changing. Thank goodness, you know the curtain's being pulled back and menopause conversation is front and center. That being said, I know you work with a lot of women in midlife and menopause and one of the things that we continue to hear as well is that there's just a lot of misunderstanding, there's a lot of misconception, and you said just a moment ago that it's not just hot flashes. There's so much more with menopause and I'm wondering if you can share some of the common misconceptions that you hear as you work with women.
Speaker 2:Yeah, of course. So I think a lot of the misconceptions, like you said, first of all, are that a lot of these symptoms are not necessarily related to menopause. That are, so you know, we know that there's the 34 plus confirmed symptoms of menopause. But I think some women are going to their doctors saying, for example, you know, I am having frozen shoulder, which can be more common in menopause because of, you know, hormone fluctuations. But a lot of doctors would never connect those things. So really understanding how much of these different symptoms can be related to menopause and help, like I said, to put those puzzle pieces together. And then, of course, as you know, all the misconceptions around hormone replacement therapy.
Speaker 2:We've been working so hard to really get science backed, facts to women regarding what hormone replacement therapy is, is what it can do for you, what it doesn't do, and there's so many misconceptions.
Speaker 2:As soon as you talk about hormone replacement therapy, immediately we're thinking breast cancer and just how much information we have now to alleviate those anxieties around hormone replacement therapy, which, of course, is not a bandaid, is not for everyone, and I know that there's a lot of talk about this in the menopause space right now.
Speaker 2:But I think the most important thing is to have the information and to be able to advocate for yourself if that's something that you know you are a candidate for. Like I said, I know it's not for everyone, I know it's not a Band-Aid. I think that some of these things that we talk about with lifestyle modifications, helping our bones with weightlifting and just the different things that can also help with our health, hrt can be another tool in the toolbox, but we need to have that discussion in a real way, without having our doctors just put, you know, the X mark up. Nope, absolutely not. Won't do that, because they don't truly understand, maybe, who is and who isn't a great candidate for it. And I think women deserve tools to make them feel good, whatever they are.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's funny when you talk about frozen shoulder. I have a friend that had it and I was like, have you talked to your doctor about where your hormones are and maybe look at your thyroid to see what's going on there? And she's like, what are you even talking about? Like, why is? Why? Is this related to this point in my life? And it was just a very interesting discussion because she felt alone, right, and her doctors didn't help her and the cultural expectations are that we just suck it up and deal with it. But how do you address those kinds of social norms with your clients who are, you know, like my friend and others who, under you know, are just going with the fact that this is just what's happening to me and I need to just deal with it?
Speaker 2:I think that's really where the education piece comes in. And it's so hard because, as women, that is something that we've always sort of been told that we're supposed to just, you know, suck it up whatever it is. You know, as, as mothers who are tired, who are feel like we're doing it, all all the different things that we do, that this is just what we do. You know, as women, uh, I think the the more and more we're not it's not, you know, fixed yet, but more and more we're having these conversations. We're helping women to understand that you know they're not alone, that there are things they can do to feel better. You know, unfortunately, we're still sort of living in this kind of ageist society where we push women to the side that are in midlife, kind of having them feel like they're, they're less useful in the world or you know, whatever it is.
Speaker 2:Thankfully, so much more of these conversations are being had where women are understanding that you know what this? I still have like maybe half of my life to live. You know there's so much more that I can do. Let's go through the steps to figure out. Okay, like you know what Kim was telling me about my hormones.
Speaker 2:Maybe that's something that I should have a discussion with my doctor about, and maybe, if this doctor doesn't understand, maybe I should find another doctor or a coach or somebody that can actually do what I need to do to feel good, because I think we feel like maybe we don't deserve to feel good or that this is it. You know, we just need to settle for kind of just fading off into the distance, but that's not the case. We need to and that's why, you know, with these kind of conversations and also community and, you know, having more women get together and have these conversations and understand and learn from each other too, because I think that it's not just learning from doctors and coaches, it's us sharing our stories and learning from each other, and I think that it's really important to understand your worth and being able to understand that you're worthy of having this information and for ultimately feeling better.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. And I think what goes hand in hand with that is self-care. Right, you are worthy, and you, of having this health care, the significant change that you're going through. Right, that you are worthy of having adequate health care, but you're also worthy of self-care. And I think, as women, we are so used to taking care of other people our whole lives. We're caretakers, and when we get to midlife we forget, we don't put ourselves first, we feel guilty when we say the word self-care right, or we don't have time for self-care. Like, are you kidding me?
Speaker 1:Kim and I just did a fireside chat just recently and someone shared you know, I don't have time for self-care, we keep talking about that, but when am I going to do that? And sometimes it's just pausing and breathing, right? So have you found that first with your clients? And, if you have, what are some of the suggestions and recommendations that you make for your clients? How do we embrace self? What are some of the suggestions and recommendations that you make for your clients? How do we embrace self-care? What does that look like?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, we do. We do find a lot of the time when I first start meeting with clients is that it's all about time. I don't have the time, but I think that if we really look closer at what self-care really means and you know, like you said, it could be just taking, you know, when you know that you're in a situation where you need to kind of pull yourself out of it and just breathe. But it might be that we need to make some tweaks to this no time situation. Um, what are some things that you can say no to? I mean, are you somebody that is constantly saying yes because you feel like you're the only one, for example on the PTA, that can do you know all the things and volunteer? Maybe there's some things that you need to say no to that you shouldn't, you know, feel guilty about. Because there it's.
Speaker 2:I guess it's the cliche, you know, put your oxygen mask on're it's. I guess it's the cliche, you know, put your oxygen mask on first. There's always that cliche like you're not going to be able to support people around you if you're not helping yourself, and what that might look like is maybe you don't have, you know, two hours to do like a long vinyasa yoga class, but maybe you do have you know 20 minutes to put on a YouTube video at home and do some stretching. And you know doing like I've been doing a lot of yoga lately, so I have yoga in my head but you know doing a down dog and just some, some, some deep breathing, or maybe doing like a 20 minute meditation on you know an app that you have that could do a guided meditation, making sure you get outside in the middle of your day taking a walk.
Speaker 2:Um, all these things are so important and I think that when, if we were going to sort start to realize that those are the things that are more important than the things that we do when we say we have no time, um, because I I understand that we live these busy lives and we do have a lot of responsibility. So I'm not, I don't take that lightly and I really try to work. You know, and I've seen it in my own life, but I think that when I work with clients, we really try to work out those different pieces of your life, that you can take time for yourself and how much a change little tweaks can make in the big picture.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's. That's great, and I think that when you talk to women, everybody's got their different stories or their different things that help them feel better. But do you, do you have some go-to ahas that you keep going back to, that the women that you coach are like, oh yeah, that that actually helped me, that made a difference. You know some, whether it's frameworks or or thoughts or whatever. Is there anything that sort of helps people go? Okay, I understand. Now, this is, this is where I am, this is what I need to do, whether it's, you know, self-care or doctor's visits. What are your thoughts on sort of your go-tos as you're thinking through this with women?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think a lot of that piece does come down to the whole mindset part and really kind of reframing our thinking around. You know, for example, thinking about when it comes to changing or maybe our way of looking at food or eating, that instead of thinking about you know, changing the language from I have to do this to like I get to do this, like, oh, I get to. You know, nourish my body. I, you know, and also, with that piece, having been in this kind of wellness space for so long, is to really change the mindset around thinking that you have to do everything perfectly all the time, or giving yourself a hard time when you don't do something perfect, and kind of like letting women off the hook a lot, and understanding that we need to recognize the small things, like let's, let's write down oh, okay, we drink, you know, six glasses of water today instead of you know six cups of coffee or you know six glasses of Diet Coke or something like that, just kind of like recognizing those little goals and how important they are and changing our mindset around what kind of like what we need to do in our lives and thinking about them. As you know, get-tos instead of have-tos, and I think that piece is so, so important and I do work with women.
Speaker 2:When we talk about, you know, the nutrition and the mindset thing to me goes hand in hand, and I want women to understand that we're working on getting healthy and not necessarily looking a certain way. So I think that that mindset change is also really important and we're so conditioned in our lives as women to go the other route, like, oh well, I have to be this size or have to look a certain way, and that if we can't change our mindset about sort of like appreciating where we are now and then moving forward so you know, I have this body, I can, you know, do 20 minutes of yoga, like let's be thankful for that and not really stop scrutinizing the way, you know, maybe, our body looks, because that's not helping us in any way moving forward we have to, kind of we have to start from that place and I think that that with everyone, you know, with myself, with anyone that I've ever worked with changing that kind of mindset is the most important thing.
Speaker 3:I love that. That's true, for sure we are. We are raised with this society that tells us that we need to look and perform a certain way and make all these rules for ourselves so that we can, you know, show up, and I love that. You're like, just, you know, you get to do these things and you get to be who you are, and that, um, not that's I like. That, it's so important.
Speaker 1:And I, as you're talking, Sue, I'm a very visual person and I'm just, you know I'm picturing myself getting older and my body is going to change. It just is right. And if we continue to fight that, it's like standing in a river and you're trying to go upstream right, You're working against the stream. And if you can embrace and just turn the other direction, reframing your brain right, Reframing your thoughts, and go with the flow, it's so much easier right Than going upstream, so I love that. I'm wondering if you could share a success story or maybe a memorable experience from your coaching that stands out for you, that that highlights that transformative journey and potential that women have in midlife, as we talk about thriving in midlife and menopause.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you know I'm thinking of one in particular, but this is also a common theme is starting the coaching journey with a really kind of negative feeling about all of the different things that we're going to work on, like we're not going to be able to. You know, like we've talked about the exercise thing not being able to fit it into our lives. We have this negative perception of kind of like what it means to be middle age. Um, and I know that, uh, from coaching different women and having working with them, you know it kind of depends on what kind of program they have. But maybe seeing in a month, or, you know, a month and a half, getting women to start the session with the positive and that mindset change sort of is so huge to start the session with things that they can celebrate so and understanding that it's okay to celebrate the small things. So you know, like I was talking about before, making these small tweaks. Or you know someone coming and having a list of things they've done that they are proud of. So they changed their breakfast from, you know, just a huge, you know bagel and cream cheese to maybe adding more fiber, having more, you know, healthy proteins and healthy fats, or like changing that around and making it feel easy, so making it feel like it wasn't this huge chore and being proud of that, or making sure you know they these seem like small things.
Speaker 2:You know, changing the breakfast around, being able to go for a walk for 15 minutes four times a week, actually hitting those goals and starting a session with that positivity, changes everything. And you know it's not, it's the smaller goals that I sometimes feel like make the biggest difference. So, you know, sometimes we come in and we say, and we're so used to these quick fixes like we want to take this, you know, weight loss medication, because we want to lose 50 pounds tomorrow and it just these things are not sustainable. So having them come in and focus on the positive and actually maybe down the road, if one of their big goals is weight loss, that kind of starts to happen slower than maybe if we were to do something like super restrictive or or, you know, if they got on medication or something like that. But it's more valuable because it's more sustainable.
Speaker 2:Um, and I've seen that a lot with um with different clients, and just having them really focus on the positive and for me to just anytime, you know I'm out and I do something in a community of women. I think you know I'm out and I do something in a community of women. I think you know one of my favorite things is getting women together and having them share with each other and just how the at the end everyone just sort of feels like you know, I'm not alone, I wow, like these are things we don't usually talk about, but getting women to talk about and share their stories is just just like it's amazing and it just kind of leave those events with such a great feeling.
Speaker 1:It brings women together, doesn't it? When? We're able to come together in community and talk about things that we don't normally talk about. It's pretty powerful, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Sue, as we wrap up today, is there anything that we didn't ask you that you'd want to make sure that you left our audience with?
Speaker 2:Um, I don't think anything specific. I mean, um, I, you know, I love what I do, I'm, I'm super passionate about it. I, I feel like women. I, you know, I love what I do, I'm, I'm super passionate about it. I, I feel like women, you know, need a guide that I don't expect everyone to be sort of as obsessed with with menopause and you know, I was just listening to like two different menopause podcasts before this interview. So you know, and I have, you know, menopause brain on my nightstand and like I don't expect everyone else. But but you know, that's what we are there for, because we want to kind of break this down for you and understand that, like this is something that we're obsessed with, so we can get this information to you and just break it down to be digestible and help women understand it, educate them, support them, just so they can really live their best lives.
Speaker 3:It's funny that you said you have menopause brain on your nightstand, because April and I were literally just talking about that book before you came on today. So for our listeners it's a brand new book by Lisa Moscone and she it's an amazing. It's an amazing read about what happens in your brain and your body during menopause. So I just I just picked up the book. I've been listening to it on on my on my phone when I'm on my walks, but it's a great book. Yeah, where can so, sue? Where can people find you?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, sue, where can people find you? Yeah, so my website is wwwmidlifeevolvedcom and you can contact me there. You can read about my different offerings. I do one-on-one coaching. I just started doing these menopause parties where I go into people's spaces and sort of bring community together to learn and ask questions and play games and sort of you know, somehow make menopause fun it should be fun.
Speaker 2:Right, and I'm on Instagram at Sue dot. Midlife evolved. Yeah, we can just you know. Feel free to message me. I'm always up for talking about all the things women's health.
Speaker 3:Awesome. We'll put it in the show notes.
Speaker 2:Awesome.
Speaker 1:Well, we, we end every session with a rapid fire, so we're gonna rapid fire, if that's okay with you. Yeah, let's start by a country or city living, let's start by a country or city living.
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean, I live in New York City, I live in Brooklyn and I like visiting the country, but I do feel like I'm a city girl. I've lived for this long in the city and I know New York is not for everyone, but I really do like the. You know all the different types of people we have and and just really just it's. It is a melting pot and I love that. But we're also near a park, so it's like I don't feel like I am just surrounded by you know high rises and things, but I, I think, living a life, I'm a city girl.
Speaker 3:Okay, all right, I hear you. Um, how about pancakes or scrambled eggs?
Speaker 2:Oh, I mean both ultimately, but, um, that's a good combination, I think. Uh, I mean, if I had to choose one like on a menu and I couldn't have both, I would probably choose scrambled eggs, but, um, I recently made these kind of sound not great, but these cottage cheese pancakes, you know high protein and and they were really, really good. So you know, don't let anyone dissuade you from ever using cottage cheese in a recipe because honestly, I feel like can only kind of not only pump up the protein but be really creamy and taste really delicious.
Speaker 3:We're going to need that recipe for. I know, I'm like Hmm, that sounds like that All right.
Speaker 1:How about morning person or night owl?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a tough one too, especially since, um, you know, now I work for myself. I've worked, I worked for a long time for other people when I'd have to get up. I would say it's. So. I feel like, if I had to choose, I would say late, like this time, because I'm not necessarily someone that likes to get up super early, but I see the advantage of it. But then, at the same time, I value sleep so much that I I may be able to stay up like later than the, the majority of, maybe, friends and things, but not late Like I will. I won't stay up past midnight because I will be a wreck the next day, like I just can't do it. So, um, I think if you asked me this when I was in my twenties, I would definitely say night owl. But now that I understand so much the value of sleep, um, I, I can't, I can't be a night owl anymore. I just can't. Yeah.
Speaker 1:I hear you right there with you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I wish I could. Um, okay. So this is our question, the one consistent question. We ask everyone what's the best piece of advice you ever received, or what's the best advice that you could give?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a really great and difficult question. So, thinking about advice that I've been given and I now kind of also give out and it was something I read, not necessarily something that someone specifically said to me is to just truly be aware of the things that are within your control and the things that are not in your control. So you know, understanding that the only thing that you can really do is control how you react to things and you can't control the sort of outside forces that that happen, you know. So if something is happening to you, you know, understand that you are in control of how you react to that thing, and I know that sounds a little bit vague, but to me that made just such a difference in understanding.
Speaker 2:You know that I, I do have control over how I react to things and you know it's that whole uh, respond and don't react like, make sure that you take a moment to respond to those things and don't have this sort of knee jerk reaction. I think that's also really, really important and I and now talk to you know other women and other people in my lives about that because I think we forget so much that a lot of these things are not within our control, but what we do is the thing that is within our control. We're the only ones, so I think that's I need to remind myself of that often. Uh, so it's good to kind of keep that in my back pocket and understand it, yeah.
Speaker 1:Excellent Choice. Yeah, we have a choice. I love that advice. Well, sue, it's been a pleasure having you on the show, really appreciate you sharing your wisdom. Our audience knows where to find you and, gosh, we just hope that you have a great day. We love talking to new people on the podcast and getting to know them a little bit better. So thanks for sharing and for everyone listening. That's a wrap. So until we meet again, go find joy in the journey. Thank you for listening to the Medovia Menopause Podcast. That's a wrap. So until we meet again, go find joy. In the US, who are navigating the menopause transition, the situation is compounded by the presence of stigma, shame and secrecy surrounding menopause, posing significant challenges and disruptions in women's personal and professional spheres. Medovia is out to change the narrative. Learn more at Medoviacom. That's M-I-D-O-V-I-Acom.
