The MiDOViA Menopause Podcast
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The MiDOViA Menopause Podcast
Episode 037: HotPause Health is creating the "Baby Center" of menopause
The modern menopause experience doesn't have to be shrouded in confusion, isolation, and suffering. Melissa Oliveira and Stacey Ulacia co-founders of HotPause Health, are on a mission to transform how women navigate this significant life transition by creating what they call "the Baby Center of menopause.” Born from their own frustrating perimenopause journeys during the pandemic, HotPause Health launched in August 2024 to fill a critical gap in women's healthcare. They identified that while pregnancy comes with 40 weeks of guidance and support, women experiencing perimenopause and menopause often struggle alone for years, battling symptoms they don't understand and facing healthcare providers who dismiss their concerns.
The HotPause Health platform offers comprehensive resources including symptom education, treatment information, provider directories, and community forums. Their most groundbreaking feature may be the nation's largest menopause provider portal, where women can find specialists across multiple disciplines or access telehealth options if they live in healthcare deserts. All content is vetted by their impressive all-female medical advisory board of 16 specialists ranging from OBGYNs to mental health professionals, dermatologists, and sleep medicine experts.
What truly sets HotPause Health apart is their unwavering commitment to empowering women through evidence and community. They're tackling alarming statistics head-on – like the fact that 23% of American women ages 40-59 are on antidepressants, representing the highest use in any demographic. Through education events, advocacy for legislation like the Menopause Research and Equity Act, and creating safe spaces for women to share experiences, they're changing the narrative around this universal female experience.
Their message is clear and powerful: "You do not have to suffer." Women experiencing rage, insomnia, night sweats, or any of the myriad symptoms of perimenopause aren't crazy – they're experiencing a natural transition that deserves proper medical attention and support. Visit hotpawshealth.com to join their community, find resources, and take control of your menopause journey with evidence-based information and compassionate support.
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MiDOViA is dedicated to changing the narrative about menopause by educating, raising awareness & supporting women in this stage of life, both at home and in the workplace. Visit midovia.com to learn more.
The information, including but not limited to, text, graphics, images & other material contained on this website are for informational purposes only. No material on this site is intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice, diagnosis or treatment.
Welcome to the Medovia Menopause Podcast, your trusted source for information about menopause and midlife. Join us each episode, as we have great conversations with great people. Tune in and enjoy the show, hey welcome everyone to the show today.
Speaker 2:It's just me. April's on vacation, so I'm really excited to introduce my friends Stacey and Melissa from Hot Paws Health. Melissa want to tell us a little bit about yourself and how you and Stacey came together to join in this endeavor. Yeah, and thank you so much for having us.
Speaker 3:We're so grateful. You know, the elevation of all women has just been such a tremendous part. I think one of the most beautiful parts about starting Hot Paws Health is this embrace that so many women who we've met have opened their arms and brought us in. So we're so grateful for that. I am Melissa Oliveira. I'm the co-founder of Hot Paws Health with Stacey Leisha. We met over the many moons of our career and came out of proactive prevention within the pediatric space, which really was this incredible opportunity where we got to connect directly with parents and then also with pediatricians and healthcare providers and key opinion leaders around really brilliant and groundbreaking science and bring that to a new generation to help them understand how to proactively prevent about pediatric food allergies.
Speaker 3:And when that company was sold to Nestle Health Science, you know Stacey and I had been in the pandemic together, we had raised babies together, we had traversed our marriages together and we had this opportunity where we looked at each other in our, you know, forties mine are a little bit higher than Stacey's in the 40 situation and said, well, we could do something. I mean, there was this real opportunities aha of well, why not us? Why couldn't we take, you know, a page out of the playbook that we've been doing for so many years in our respective careers and mine is really brand brand building strategy, consumer insights and bringing brands to market across the health, wellness and CPG spaces and bring something that really impacted women. I think that as we were on this roller coaster of perimenopause particularly in the pandemic we felt like there was this real gap, not just a gap of research and evidence, but really a connection of a community, a place where we could go ask questions without bias. That there wasn't something that was you know, somebody was just trying to sell us something. That that there was a place that felt really credible, that was rooted in evidence and research to help us navigate.
Speaker 3:You know these tentpole moments similar to pregnancy right, you get pregnant and for 40 weeks, people tell you what to do, and it's not exactly the same, and nor is perimenopause or menopause linear. It clearly is a bespoke journey for all women. But where were those key things that we really needed to understand Cardiovascular health or bone health, or what am I supposed to do about my vasomotor symptoms, which are hot flashes and night sweats and heart palpitations and just really a place that was simple and digestible but really credible. And so we came up with this notion of hot pause health, which, for all intent and purpose, is very much like the baby center of menopause, just in reverse. And so we did it and it's been a it feels like a very long journey, but we just launched in August of 2024 and it's been incredible, so I'm so grateful to be here.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a. It's a great story and, um, and you know, stacey, you and Melissa, like April and myself, reinvented our careers. Uh, so what was? What was sort of the impetus and thoughts around when you were going into this? What does this mean for me and how do I think about this?
Speaker 4:Yeah, absolutely. I think Melissa and I after you know the acquisition of the startup we were working at really took time to think about what do we want to do next, who are the types of people we want to surround ourselves with? What kind of companies would we be interested in working for? And we explored going and getting you know totally, you know average FTE jobs, and we both kind of came to the conclusion like we want to work for really smart women, we want to do something that's focused around women's health and we don't want to go back to the norm. And it was a big risk for both of us, but we really felt like to Melissa's point there was just this wide open space for us to come in and try and drive positive change. So you know, we worked on the company for about a year before our launch in August and we've learned so much along the way.
Speaker 4:You know we always joke that it's too bad that I'm not an OBGYN and Melissa is the person she is, or the inverse of that or the inverse of that.
Speaker 4:But we have a lot of really common synergies and we feel really similarly about the things in this business that are really important to us and in areas that we may not have a lot of expertise, we have hired up around us really smartly, and one of those areas is our medical advisory board. And so, because neither Melissa or I are credentialed MD with years and years of training, we knew we were in no position to be offering menopause advice or guidance or any sort of educational information. So we created an all-female medical advisory board of over 16 doctors and experts across multiple specialties, so not just OBGYNs, but looking really holistically at the menopause experience. So dermatologists, acupuncturists, naturopaths, an obesity medicine doctor and they are guiding every single thing that we do, every piece of content that lives in our website, every brand partnership we consider to make sure that we are really out there at the forefront, providing science-backed information to women everywhere. That's great.
Speaker 2:So how do I use your website? Right, you have website for me as someone in menopause. How do I use your website? And you have a very and in that you have a very strong community driven approach on your website too. So how is building this community? What would a person going to your website look at and find when they're there?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I think it's a two part response. The first one on the community side. We think about community and a variety of different ways. So the first thing I would do to be a part of our community is go on and create an account. That's number one. Number two is sign up for our newsletter. We send out a weekly newsletter and it's full of content, education, resources, video content from our medical advisory board, recipes, what's going on in the news. That is, you know, the second thing I would do. Then, from a community standpoint, there is a community section on our website that is a Reddit-like forum where women can come and interact, but we also have a private Facebook community where we found that women maybe feel a little bit more comfortable coming and participating there. So, in terms of creating community, those are the first things I would do. And then, in terms of using the website, there are a variety of things you can do After you join the community. You can go on and learn about your symptoms. You can go on and learn about all the different treatment options that are out there hormonal, non-hormonal, more holistic approaches. You can find a doctor, and we have heard from our community how hard this is for women that they are struggling to find a doctor who can help them, that they have been gaslit, that they have been ignored, that they have gone to multiple doctors to get help, and so we built the nation's largest provider portal where we have ingested all of the menopause certified OBGYNs, plus doctors across other specialties that you might need to see in your menopause journey. So if your hair is falling out or you have acne, we have dermatologists that are in there. If your mental health is suffering because of your menopause journey, we have credentialed mental health experts in there. So you can go in, put in your zip code and then sort by the type of doctor you're looking for and get connected to a doctor. If you live in a healthcare desert where there aren't any menopause certified OBGYNs near you, we have a telemedicine option and we are agnostic. We have put in the middies of the world the gen Fs of the world, the alloys of the world, so that you can get connected to a telehealth doctor who specializes in menopause.
Speaker 4:We are also crowdsourcing on our website. So if you have a doctor that you love, who has been amazing, please go to our doctor portal and submit them through. We review them with our medical advisory board and then push them back out into the community to make sure we keep growing that so more and more women can reach doctors that will be helpful to them. There is a product section of the website where we have vetted appropriate menopause and perimenopause products for women. We are also crowdsourcing from our community on that section of the website as well. So if you have a product that has changed your life that you want to share, you can do that. So there's a lot of things that you can do on our website. But first and foremost to your, do that. So there's a lot of things that you can do on our website. But first and foremost, to your point, I think it's important to join our community.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that's great. And so, Melissa, I'm talking about community. You know many women in menopause find this time confusing and isolating. How do you approach the community with education and information? Stacey talked a little bit about the Facebook page and the website, but how do you help women feel empowered with the resources that you have available?
Speaker 3:Yeah, great, that's a great question. I think one of the most interesting pieces of feedback that we get from community and emails that we get, or outreach that we get, or DMs or what have you is this notion of thank you. There's a real gratitude of I thought I was crazy or I didn't. I would have thought that something was really wrong with me until I realized that fill in the blank symptom right Ringing in my ears, or this hair loss, that I thought I had some sort of endocrine disorder or you know. So many women have come back and said thank you for just letting me know that I'm not insane, and I think that so many women feel this sense of like I'm losing my mind, right? I mean my symptoms were rage. I mean wild rage, like I could burn a house down with my eyeballs. Rage, and then I would be fine and be like, oh, and then I'd have to apologize to all my children and my husband, be like super sorry, mommy had that moment out of my body, like levitating out of my body. Um, night sweats are debilitating, but it was really the insomnia that I thought okay, cause sleep used to be my superpower. Like my head hit the pillow and 32 seconds later I was out and when sleep was taken away, that's when I thought I think I might die, like I can't, I cannot live like this.
Speaker 3:And so I think you know part of we we use the word empowerment a lot, but I think, the more that I sit with it, it's about giving control to women, about decision-making about their bodies, about how they want to live, and so empowerment, you know, can be thrown around and I also feel like it might be used too much. But it's really like what can I control? I would like this back in my control. I would like to be the CEO of my own body.
Speaker 3:You know, I think Dr Mary Claire Haver coined that one and I totally agree with her which is you're in charge and, moreover, women know their bodies. I mean, I know my body. When I was pregnant, I knew when things were right or wrong, or you just have this sense, you, you feel you know yourself, right? I mean, they say that often with cardiovascular for women, they have to go in multiple times and she's having a heart attack, but they're like have some Tylenol, I mean, and that's just wrong. So I think that giving women the tools and the resources and the advocacy for self is probably the most important work that we're doing, and giving her a forum and a place, a platform to say I'm not crazy, I know what I'm talking about and now I'm going to go get the change that I deserve. And so, to me, I think the feedback that we get is really this acknowledgement of gratitude and that she's finally being seen and that she's not alone.
Speaker 2:And I think those are really, really that can radically change conversations if you touch enough women bit about being at an event last weekend where Stacy and I were at booths and everyone comes to tell you their story, but it's a safe space, they might not have said this to anyone before and all of a sudden they're able to say like, oh, my God, let me tell you what's going on with me, right? Um, also, I haven't figured out sleep yet. So if you, if and when you figure out the sleep thing, uh, I would love a little um, community huddle on that, because that's still a challenge for me. But you talk about advocacy and you have done advocacy for things like the Menopause Research and Equity Act. How are you doing this advocacy and why is it part of your, your sort of platform, stacey, to really look at healthcare policies around menopause?
Speaker 4:Yeah, it's certainly not something that Melissa and I feel like we are at the forefront leading these efforts, but it's certainly something that we want to be supporting every step of the way. So we recently launched an advocacy section of our website that talks about these different efforts that are going on out there from the Advancing Menopause Care Act, there's the Menopause Research and Equity Act. There's an unboxing menopause campaign, working to remove FDA box label warnings. There's information on the testosterone project, like. There are so many amazing efforts underway out there and we want to make sure we are out there amplifying them in whatever way we possibly can. So there are forms you can go online to write to your legislators. We are sharing all of this on social media and it's really our hope that we just continue to uplift these efforts and the amazing you know brands and nonprofits behind them.
Speaker 2:No, that's, that's great. So, while you've been growing this business, what have been some of your challenges? Where have you guys gotten stuck? What do you like? What did you learn? What do you like? What kind of feedback have you gotten where you're like, oh, we should have considered that in the first place. Like Melissa, what are kind of your thoughts there?
Speaker 3:well, I think there I mean there are too many to count right. I think that when you talk to any entrepreneur or anybody who's started a business from nothing, you just have this idea and from the ether you start building that you are going to make mistakes and you are going to fail. But if you fail fast and you identify where the gap or the barriers were and you quickly optimize, to me speed becomes really important. I think, particularly in the menopause category, which, at this point and maybe we're just in an echo chamber, but there's a lot of movement, there are a lot of people joining it, there are a lot of people who are wanting a quote, piece of the pie, so to speak, and so I think, being really intentional and focused on where your true North is, I mean Stacey and I wrote down our, our values, and our values are really important to us. You know, urgency is one of them. We have to go past, we can't just sit around and hang out, and so the benefit of being co-partners and co-founders with Stacey is that we are highly, highly urgent humans in all facets of our life. So the application to business came very naturally to us and that you're going to fail. And if you can get over that and actually take it as a really important opportunity. And if you're failing, everybody else is failing too. So how do you, how do you look at that and say, ooh, well, where's the potential there? You know, as Stacey mentioned earlier, neither of us are board certified MDs and instead of being like, oh shucks, wish we were board certified MDs, we built this female forward, unbelievable medical advisory board. That that's I mean. These women are rock stars in their own world, right Like you have Dr Ken Yuen, who's at UCSF and is a professor of sleep medicine at Stanford and focuses on women's health. You have Dr V Yuen, who's at UCSF and is a professor of sleep medicine at Stanford and focuses on women's health. You have Dr Vicky Yang, who's at the forefront of gastroenterology at Stanford, who's looking at the gut health connection. They're so smart.
Speaker 3:And it's not just about obstetrics and gynecology. I think, when you think about the fact that you have estrogen receptors from the tip of your head to the tip of your toes, on most cells of your body, there's not going to be a one size fits all, and I think where Stacey and I've leaned into that is it's not again just about your OB-GYN or your family medicine doctor. It really touches so many different parts of a woman's experience and her perimenopausal journey, an example being we have three mental health professionals on our medical advisory board. 23% of women in the United States of America are in an SSRI between the ages of 40 and 59. It's the highest age sex ratio of any age sex ratio. Women are really sad and that's not normal, right. Like this is highest rates of suicide, highest rates for divorce. Like it just is such a miss for our country that we're not focusing on women's health, and particularly mental health, right?
Speaker 3:So back to where you know. Your question was where are the gaps? Where have we failed? We failed a lot. Lawyers are super expensive Developers, whether it's app developers or our website, or meta is crazy. You're trying to figure out your digital path to purchase and conversion, et cetera. But with failure comes these other opportunities, like, for example, our medical advisory board. I'm leading into them and figuring out how we can quickly meet the needs of our community and what she wants, and that, that nimbleness, I think, can become power, um, particularly if you're just a you know, scrappy female entrepreneur.
Speaker 2:So yeah, I love it. My favorite part of your website is the ability to search for providers, and I love that you have not just OBGYNs but you have everyone, because we always are like you know, we get questions on both ends of the spectrum, like I'm nowhere near menopause, why do I need this information? And I'm always like go gather your team, go get your doctor, your PT, your acupuncturist, your massage therapist, make sure you have them in play. And then on the other side, people are like I've already done this, I don't need to do this anymore. And I'm like, yes, you do, because your bones are impacted, your, your cardiac health is impacted, so go find those resources. So I love that part of your website and also I sort of fangirl your, your advisory board, because they are they're pretty awesome.
Speaker 2:Stacey talk, given that, talk about some of the feedback you've heard success from the community. That stands out to you where you know you guys, this entrepreneur thing's got its ups and downs April and I have like days where like my God, this is the best thing that could ever happen. And then we have days where like how, what are we going to do next? You know, but success stories are why you guys are in this right. You want to empower women. So what kind of what? Where? What have you seen? What kind of feedback have you gotten?
Speaker 4:Yeah, I mean to your point.
Speaker 4:There have been so many successes and so many bummer, bummer situations, right, um, but I think one of the things that we've started to lean into a little bit more are all these events, right, we're seeing, you know, mid Ovia and lots of the same companies in the Seattle area, but also in the Bay area, where Melissa is as well, and so we have been doing more and more of these in-person events and we're seeing success in seeing these women collectively come together and have their aha moment about perimenopause.
Speaker 4:You know, I'm in my early forties and, you know, brought my community to an event in the Bellevue area and so many of them did not know this freight train that was coming for them, right, and so getting them this education and the upfront, maybe before they're even starting to experience symptoms, to have this education, to say, gosh, when this starts happening, I know what to do so they don't hold on for five years and suffer and, you know, wait till they're 50, 55, right out the gate.
Speaker 4:They're going to know what to do and I think that's been, you know, a success for Melissa and I to know that we're out there, you know, making improvements to women's health education that way, but it's also a win for women everywhere who are starting to get educated that way. We don't want women to make it to the other side of menopause and then say, gosh, that was awful, I don't know why that happened. I'm going to retrospectively go look at what I could have would have should have done. We want to get them in the upfront so that they're prepared and ahead of that. So I think that's been something that has made Melissa and I feel amazing and like we are really out there helping women. That's great.
Speaker 2:I love it. Where are you guys going? What's happened in the next five years, like? What's your plan? What's your plans for this amazing, unique resource for women? What's your vision, melissa? Do you have you guys think about that? Are you right here now, in this moment?
Speaker 3:I think it's both. I think again, as entrepreneurs, you have to have this duality right. You have to be able to manifest and see your five years out or your 10 years out and say we want to be the baby center of menopause period. End of sentence. I think at its height baby center had 87% of expectant mothers come through its doors digital doors. That's important, that's amazing. So, if we can become that yes, that is what we set out to build.
Speaker 3:At the same time, if you are not in the present, I think, as founders and builders, and you're constantly asking your consumers and your audience what do you want? Where are you seeing barriers? How are we providing value? What's that value exchange look like? What are we doing poorly? What are we doing really, really well that you want to see more of? And I think, in that infancy moment, you have to constantly have this conversation and dialogue, with reciprocity of back and forth, to understand how you can improve and provide that value. And what is she looking for?
Speaker 3:I think what's interesting about the menopause space currently is it's truly in its infancy across the board, right In research, in access to care, in the treatments that we're seeing some of them have incredible data behind them and, for example, menopause hormone therapy has been around for a long, long time, around for a long, long time and yet there's a continued decrease in the number of women who are getting hormone replacement therapy or menopause hormone therapy now, and we believe that that should change. So how do you begin to change that narrative and give women access to that treatment when they've had the worst PR jobs since 2002, when the Women's Health Initiative really had a botched situation around, poorly read and incorrectly read data? So I think that who do we want to be? Yes, we have a vision, you know, a five, 10 year vision of where we want to go, but every single day is a learning moment and every single day we learning moment and every single day we are constantly optimizing, tweaking, evaluating so that we can be the best platform and forum and community that she wants. And it's always changing. The conversation keeps moving. It's so elastic, it's so fascinating and I think only with time will we have a more robust ability to provide her with more research and more treatments.
Speaker 3:You know, for example, diagnostics right? So many women come in and, like I, had my hormones tested and because that's that's your immediate response to what you think it's a similar like I took a pregnancy test, right, I'm pregnant. That's what she wants to think. I took my, took my cholesterol. This is my cholesterol. Until we have those biomarkers identified or some sort of way to assess where a woman is in her stage, I think that there will just be continued confusion, but but that will happen. Um, so I think that's my answer. Near-term and short-term. Constantly that's my answer. Near term and short term constantly.
Speaker 2:That's a great answer. So what piece of advice?
Speaker 4:would you give to a woman Stacey who's just starting her menopause journey? Get educated. There is so much to learn. And, to Melissa's point, some of the symptoms you might be experiencing you might not be attributing it to perimenopause and menopause. So doing the research, doing the hard work to figure out gosh, what am I experiencing, how does it ladder back to perimenopause and menopause and how can I build a care team around this to ensure I get the treatment I need that is customized to me and my health journey? If you don't get that from your provider, keep looking, Find someone else. Go interview other doctors. You are not crazy. This is probably happening and there, hopefully, is an ideal treatment plan and solution to help you feel better. So do your education and don't give up. If you don't find a doctor on the first, second or even third, try.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you don't have to suffer. You do not have to suffer, you do not have to suffer, and I love that. Like, how much suffering is enough, right? No, you don't have to suffer. As soon as you realize you're suffering, like, yeah, don, you don't have to suffer.
Speaker 4:As soon as you realize you're suffering, like, yeah, don't write off your symptoms to your point. It's like oh well, it's just night sweats three nights a week. Okay, so three nights a week you're not sleeping, right? That impacts your overall health. Don't write these things off as onesie, twosie little things that aren't a big deal. It is a really big deal and they will continue to pile up and be an even bigger deal. So you know, acknowledge your symptoms and find someone who will help you.
Speaker 2:Where can people find you guys?
Speaker 4:You can find us at hot pause healthcom. Hot pause Health is all of our social media handles. Please join our newsletter. You know, melissa and I write that every single week. We try and infuse some humor into everything we do, so hopefully it gives you a little piece of not only education, but maybe a little laugh as well. And yeah, you can find us on almost any platform and send us feedback. Send us things that you're looking for, maybe content that we have not yet written, or questions that you might have that we could get our medical advisory board to answer for you.
Speaker 2:So I think I'd be remiss, Melissa, like Hot Paws Health. How did you guys come up with that name?
Speaker 3:Well, great question. We, I come from a branding naming. I've named so many companies over my tenure and when you have to name your own, it's it's, it's a much. It's like naming a child. Right, it's going to be your baby, so you better love it.
Speaker 3:Um, you know, I think that we wanted to have, as Stacey just alluded to, humor is a very big component. It's actually one of our values. Um, because we always choose laughter and levity over, you know, sadness in this state, because you could get really sad and really dark really quickly, and so we wanted to lean into this kind of quippy, fun, humorous nod, but then also have it be rooted in something that was very immediate and understood. So the hotness and the pause right was really important and then really grounding it in health. I think that Stacey and I very much both come from appreciate and prioritize science and evidence and data, science and evidence and data, and so this notion of health good health was really important to us as well. So that combination of taking a hot pause and then health was was how we got there.
Speaker 3:So it was really fun.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know it took us a very long time to come up with a name, so I totally appreciate that, okay, so the final question and I actually didn't prep you for this, so I'm sorry, but the final question that we ask all of our guests is what is the best piece of advice you've ever received?
Speaker 3:I have my list.
Speaker 4:You want to go first.
Speaker 3:Yeah, mine, and I tell it to all my children.
Speaker 3:Um, mine and I tell it to all my children I have four sons is pressure as a privilege. And Billie Jean King said it and I find you know people pause when they hear that and what it means in my purview Cause I heard her say at an event years ago and it really clicked with me that this notion of pressure you know, I'm a firstborn female, I'm a high achiever, I'm totally neurotic, type A, but what a gift for me to have that, what a gift that I get to think about achievement and pressure and performance. Right, you know Billie Jean King, for you know, at the foreground and she was the unbelievable breaker of so many things and women's sports and her point was what a what a privilege for me to have that pressure. I'm not thinking about food, I'm not thinking about shelter, I'm not thinking about my safety. I get to do all these other things and I think that's such a gift and a perspective to always have, that, you know, such a privilege that we get to work this hard.
Speaker 4:I love that Melissa's is so good, like. I think we just have to end on that because mine's never going to be as good as that. That was so nice Melissa.
Speaker 2:You want that one too. You can have that one too.
Speaker 4:Yeah, ditto what Melissa said.
Speaker 2:Okay, well, you'll have to come back on Stacy, because I didn't prepare you for that. So we'll give you the out on that. Thank you both very much. We've talked about doing this for a really long time. I appreciate your friendship, your kindness, your holding each other up, supporting each other. I just really it's's. I feel so blessed. So thank you. And for our listeners out there. Go find joy in the journey and we'll see you next time. Thanks, you guys.
Speaker 3:Thank you.
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