The Hidden Warning Signs You’re Stuck in “Okay Times” Instead of Good Times, and How to Measure and Optimise the Good Time Ratio, with Christian W. Schnepf | #538

Have you ever achieved everything you were “supposed” to (career, money, relationships) only to feel an emptiness inside?

In this episode, we dive into the groundbreaking work of Christian W. Schnepf, a sociologist and human behavior expert who left behind conventional success in his early twenties to explore what truly creates a fulfilling life. Through years of research and global exploration, he developed the “Science of Good Times”, a revolutionary framework for measuring and optimizing your quality of life in real-time.

• Discover why chasing traditional success often leads to dissatisfaction, and what to pursue instead
• Learn the five life areas that determine your “Good Time Ratio” and how to optimize each one
• Gain a practical, data-driven method for aligning your life with energy flow, fulfillment, and joy

If you're ready to measure what really matters and start living a life that truly feels good, press play and explore the science behind lasting fulfillment.

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KEY POINTS AND TIMESTAMPS:

02:56 - Christian's Personal Journey of Questioning Success

08:10 - Exploring the Motivation Behind Life Choices

09:19 - Defining the Science of Good Times

12:07 - Measuring Good Times and the Good Time Ratio

22:02 - Five Life Areas and Measuring Satisfaction

30:29 - Advice for Professionals Feeling Unfulfilled

34:28 - Closing Insights and Personal Development Perspective

38:52 - Final Thoughts and Call to Action

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MEMORABLE QUOTE:

"Trust yourself, because deep down, you already know what's right for you."

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VALUABLE RESOURCES:

Christian's platform: https://goodtime.app

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Transcript

Agi Keramidas: 0:00

The Hidden warning signs you are stuck in okay times instead of good times, and how to measure and optimise the good time ratio. Welcome to personal development mastery. The podcast for intelligent, busy professionals who've achieved success but feel something's missing and are seeking clarity, purpose and fulfilment. Each episode helps you grow by inspiring aligned action through practical insights you can actually use. I'm your host. Agi Keramidas, join us every Monday for an insightful conversation with a guest, and it's Thursday for a shorter episode where I reflect and share with you. This is episode 538, if you are looking to understand fulfilment more deeply and move beyond society's checklist of success, this conversation explores how the science of good times can help you design a life you truly love. By listening, you will learn the five life areas that determine your good time ratio and gain a practical method to optimise them before we start, if you resonate with the topics we discuss on the podcast, and you are navigating a transition, or perhaps feeling called to a next chapter that is more purposeful and intentional. I offer one to one coaching and mentoring to help you get clear, reconnect with what truly matters and move ahead with confidence to explore what that could look like for you visit personal development mastery podcast.com/mentor or just up the link in the show notes. Now, let's get started. My guest today is Christian W Schnepf. Christian, you are an adventurous sociologist, human behaviour expert and creator of the science of good times. Your work blends PhD level research with real world exploration across continents, and you have developed a data driven approach to measure and optimise life's quality. You're passionate about helping others, making the conscious pursuit of good times the number one priority in life and work. Christian, welcome to the show. Such a pleasure to have have you today.

Christian W Schnepf: 2:57

Thank you, Agi, it's my pleasure to be here

Agi Keramidas: 3:02

good times. And the science of good times is such an intriguing and I think, I think very few people would be not interested in good times or having good times. So we will certainly talk about that before we do Christian, I wanted to as, wouldn't you? To tell us you describe in your journey, walking away from conventional success in your 20s to, you know, journey the world, etc, what was the internal turning point that made you question everything, and do that.

Christian W Schnepf: 3:46

The first time I started questioning everything regards the conventional definition of success, was when I reached most of the things that I've been told were success. I was around 2021, maybe, and yeah, in my case, back then, I've been told higher education is success. If you get recognition and attention, that's success. If you have money, that's a success. If you're in a good shape, that's success. If you have friends and perhaps a girlfriend, that's all success. So I reached that very early, and I figured out that it's not even a matter of luck. That's literally just I'm doing ABC, and then I get what I was aiming for. And when I reached those points, I felt increasingly empty. I realised I'm not really fulfilled. And I was wondering, Where is this leading? Because I could see in society that this is literally the blueprint, and then you would just continue doing this. And I was 20, so according to the average life span people can expect, I had another 60 years in front of me, at least with a healthy body, even more and. And I'm saying, basically, I'm just reaching the time until I'm dying, because more satisfying it won't be. It wasn't bad, though. So I said it's okay, but there got to be more. And as there wasn't more, and I couldn't find more in my environment, I slowly lost, really, the motivation to be alive. The

Agi Keramidas: 5:25

two things, thank you for sharing this. And there are two things that really highlighted. One was the fact that you came to this realisation. You were blessed, I would say, to come to this realisation early in life, in your early 20s. Because for me, personally, and many people I know, this realisation comes much later. It's usually in their, you know, 40s that they see all these things differently. So that was one thing I I find fascinating. And, you know, to have that realisation so early. The other thing there was something that you said, and I think that's very important, and many can relate to that. You said that it wasn't bad, you know, that's I will leave the situation many of us find ourselves in. It's not like we are unhappy or miserable or this. Things are okay on the outside, but there is something lacking, perhaps on the inside. I use the word fulfilment in these cases, but I think everyone can fill in the blanks of what it is, but it is something more internal so. So this is just as my observations in your story. And I don't know if you want to add anything to that before I move on to the actual

Christian W Schnepf: 6:58

I would like to add something because after I lost that hope and the outlook that things could get better, I mean, I could just do more of the same, which is, if it's not fulfilling, it won't be fulfilling if I do more of it. And after I lost that motivation, slowly things fell apart because I didn't have a driver, I didn't have to, I didn't have anything to to put more efforts into the things I'm doing. So after things fell about apart, things became actually very bad. So in that moment, it wasn't just okay, it was then bad, and it didn't give me even it didn't give me the solution to Okay. Now it's worth going more actually, it was the opposite. Now it actually supported the idea it's just no point to be alive. It's neither good, it's neither Okay, nor okay. So that became a turning point for me to say, at one point, I'm deciding to continue living however things got to be different, and I'm seeking out to figure out what it is that needs to be different. I

Agi Keramidas: 8:03

so that led you to your your journey, the exploration, the need for answers, eventually, different.

Christian W Schnepf: 8:10

It took a while. It took a while because I needed to start searching in my environment. Of course, you start a new, immediate environment to look around for answers, and after I didn't find certain answers, I expanded my scope, and that took a while. I even made a second test of the same approach that I had before, just bigger, different environment and same result. It's not fulfilling. So a couple of years later, I eventually said, Let's go hardcore all in and that led me abroad.

Agi Keramidas: 8:45

It's led you abroad, and it led you to the work that you have created all these years that we were going to talk about. And actually, let's move on to that straight away Christian and tell us as a definition. Let's start with something, let's say fundamental as a definition. What exactly is the science of good times, and how is it different, you know, from other traditional approaches to, let's say happiness or self improvement,

Christian W Schnepf: 9:19

yeah, the science of good times, in a nutshell, covers the idea to find what it takes to maximise good times, maximise the amount of good times, versus non good times, which were okay times, and of course, then the bad times, how we define them. The difference to happiness is that happiness is an emotion that can be a good time. However, it's not limited to so if I'm having a serious conversation that is very intriguing and triggers curiosity, I would describe that as a good time, but my inner state, I wouldn't describe as happy. And that's that's where the difference is in that I'm not looking only for chemical reactions in my body and giving it. And isolated, yeah, looking isolated at one emotion, but the general scope of positive emotions, and here it becomes, here comes the definition that I'm drawn towards. Basically, I'm appealed by something, and that can be triggering happiness, that can be triggering curiosity, inspiration, or in the ideal case, it leads to fulfilment. So from a biological point of view, humans are equipped with basically two navigators or two two indicators whether we walk in the right direction or not. And that is simply, I'm put towards something. I'm attracted by something which gives me a feeling of a positive feeling, a good time, or I'm repelled from something which is commonly described as a bad time. And if I have neither an attraction towards something nor a repulsion from something, we usually use the wording, it's okay. We tolerate it. We just don't know where to go. And from a physical point of view, is actually very simple. We are equipped to have those tendencies in order that our inner energy system is functioning, that energy is flowing, that not in the spiritual, spiritual sense, but in the literal, physical sense that blood is flowing, that we moving and utilise our kinetic energy, energy and yeah, nature didn't, didn't require us to have a complex frontal cortex to analyse all of that stuff. But any animal is equipped to navigate life, to avoid energy blockages and emphasise energy release and energy flow. And basically, the science of good times is looking for where energy is flowing and where energy is blocked, and is looking for what are the factors that contribute to energy flow? In other words, contribute to that I'm constantly attracting to the situation I'm finding myself in.

Agi Keramidas: 12:07

I think what you just said, that last thing that you just said, now it's kind of it answered quite a lot of questions that were starting to form with the description. So you were talking about, and that's what I wanted to, you know, understand a bit better about the actual, how do you define the actual good time? So you were saying that it is not an inner state, not necessarily, anyway. And you, you said, you use the phrases something that we are attracted by or appeal. It appeals to us. So the experience was the word that came to my mind as what a good time is at least in the way that I perceive something. So I wanted to give us a little bit more explanation, or perhaps some examples of apart, you know, from the obvious, but some other things that would fall into the category of good times, as you said, Yeah, might be ideas or experiences or whatever else it is, so that we can really, you know, understand that, and then we will move on.

Christian W Schnepf: 13:35

So as you described, as you said, correctly, it's an experience in to be exact, it's an experience measured in the moment. So it's not something like I experience a really bad time that I want to escape from, and years later I look back and say, That's was a good time? No, it was not a good time. It brings you a good time now. It just helped you to have a good time later, but in the moment itself, it wasn't a good time, and that's why the experience always takes place in the present. And if we take a look to make it more concrete, just ask yourself, example of work, would you like to go to work, even though you wouldn't get anything for the future out of it? It's just a pills. You're attracted to go to work and do what you're doing because it feels good in the very moment. It gives you a good time in the very moment, without thinking about it, will give me a good time later. And if the answer is no, then it's not a good time. If the answer is like, actually, I, I would, I would do anything to be not there, that's a bad time. If you say it's okay, and usually it's an indicator for you don't know what to do better, or it is something you need to do in the hope it brings you a better time in the future. For example, it gives you the resources, it gives you money, or it gives you recognition, acknowledgement, whatever, whatever it is that you need. It, and a good time usually, is not coming out of moment of scarcity, out of a place of scarcity. It comes more from the I'm okay, where I am, and it's just making it better, and not I need to do that. That's actually the opposite. It's a different driver

Agi Keramidas: 15:18

that's great. And thank you for that. And now that this is hopefully, it is more clear to everyone, let's talk about measuring these good times. First of all, because you have there is a very scientific and precise approach, which I would like to hear more about, how we can measure the good times. And also, perhaps it would be relevant if you think there is any other background you want to give before you actually explain the measuring bit, you can also give that for the sake of, you know, completeness,

Christian W Schnepf: 16:02

I think the background I would like to give is, why would we need to measure it? What's the point of measuring stuff? And for me, the number one reason, before I started into getting measure, into getting into measuring, was, what does it actually be aiming for? And I needed to clarify, really, and I'm very clear about this, meanwhile, that literally, everything we're doing is driven by the motivation to get a good time, whether it's a good time now or it's a delayed good time in the future for longer, and then also the amplitude. How strong is that good time? Is it like little is good or it's amazing? There's a difference. And basically everything we do, any human ever did and will ever do, is driven by that motivation in the human context, as social species. We can extend that even to to beyond our lifetime, that we say, this gives a good time for the following generation, for my children, etc, but it is aiming for having maximised good time. So for me, that was very important to clarify what is actually the goal in life. Because if I'm not clear about that, I'm chasing other stuff. For example, I'm chasing career success. But what if I'm having that and I'm feeling empty? So what happened? So then what am I actually looking for? And for me, that was that was a big part of my initial non academic research, where just went around and was trying to distil this number one life objective. So after I got clear that, yes, everything we want is maximised good times for as long as possible, for as good as possible and for as long as possible, then that means that everything we do is aiming to achieve that. So whether we go to work, whether we build an economy, whether we build even a society, whether we go into relationships, anything we do is basically supposed to maximise the times.

Agi Keramidas: 18:01

Can I ask? Sorry, I will interject to that, please. Do you mean anything that we do consciously, or anything that

Christian W Schnepf: 18:10

anything even unconsciously? Okay? That, yeah, that is, that is the thing that I found later. But I can come to this in a moment, if you want. What I found, however, after it is so clear that basically all of our efforts, individually and as a society, as collective, is aiming to achieve this. How do we know that what we do is actually leading there and is not leading there? Maybe we doing maybe we driving crazy around, doing something and put all of our efforts in that's not even leading us to more good times. And the opposite is happening. We have classic examples of being in a relationship where we think, like, what would give me a better time if I'm with her or with him? And eventually, yeah, it's just a really, really bad time, and you want to leave, but you're not really, because, for whatever reasons, if it's psychologically, if it's through your culture, you believe being in it is better, and better needs to define, needs to be defined in a way. And I defined that point, and we'll come to this in a moment, okay, but we stick in those situations and those relationships, and those work with, with in our habits that are not really serving us, and we might not we, maybe they serve us, but we don't even know because we didn't measure it. So that's where I found the need to develop a metric, or to actually, I found the need to measure it. I just wanted to know the factors. But in my PhD, I realised, okay, let's just got to be a metric out there that we measure which factor is actually leading to more good times. And I found there is no, no reliable metric out there. So that became, eventually, meanwhile, three year endorsement to. To develop that metric that is currently called the good time ratio GTR, that basically measures the proportion of positive experiences versus non positive experiences, including negative and okay. And according to that goal, what we had in the beginning over a lifetime seen over a lifetime, success would be therefore defined as the maturity of time you spend your experience as positive, and that allows, eventually to to orientate on the best practices. What is doing, what person and what practice leads to a maximum, maximised life positive experience throughout lifetime for myself and the people that matter to me and that became the foundation of the GTR, the good time ratio metric, which eventually along the research connected to what I described earlier, to physical energy flow, where I found the connection to why do we experience good times in the first place? Because it's a biological indicator for energy is flowing versus a bad time. As an indicator energy is blocked, initiating us and triggering us to take immediate actions to change it, to unblock energy. And therefore we can actually root it back, not just subjectively, but even objectively measure how good someone's lifetime is.

Agi Keramidas: 21:32

That's great. So guide us in a simple way, without, you know, going into the scientific analysis of it, how, or perhaps, which factors so we can get an idea in in our life, might you know contribute to that rate or ratio? What, what things you know one counts in order to calculate that in the end,

Christian W Schnepf: 22:02

so eventually we are limited to five areas in our lives where we feel attraction to or feeling repelled from it. And those five life areas, I like to take the metaphor as life is a game, because it makes it easy to grasp. Imagine life is a game, which I believe it is. Then you are the player. So that's layer area number one. It's the self, the player. Then there are other players, that's social. That's the second area. Then you have actions, so you can do some stuff. That's the third area. You have obtainments, which basically you can get from the outside, can be money, can be love can be acknowledgement. And we have a map, a playground, the habitat where we live, that's the environment, that's the fifth area. And we can tell to maximise good times. We basically say, in a nutshell, I truly love who I am, with whom I am, what I do, what I get, and where I am. And we can measure eventually you can, you can just ask inside of yourself. We developed, meanwhile, a software with a dashboard. It's a good time. Dot app where you can measure that more comprehensively and get get an get a report. However, you can just ask yourself, right now, am I? Am I satisfied and attracted by being myself. Am I attracted to spending my time with those people I'm spending my time with? Or would I prefer not doing this if I don't need them? And am I attracted to do the things I'm doing? For example, if you go to work, do you like going to work? Or would you prefer doing something else? And do you are you also attracted by the things you're getting so from life? Are you? Are you? Do you like the food you eat? Do you like the comments you get from the outside? Do you like the resources you have access to and at the delivery the last area? Do you like where you are? And if you're not sure about that, that means not because I really I asked so many people, and if someone really liked where they are or each of those areas, they correct me when I'm asking, Do you like it? They instantly shoot back and say, I love it. I love it. So yeah, I got some comments from some people in different disciplines. They say, yeah, love is the answer. I mean, it sounds a bit too romantic, but eventually, love is nothing else but pure energy flow directed towards something or not directed towards something. And basically 00, in a blockage. And if there's zero in a blockage, the response comes immediate, and the response comes with emotions. It's not like, yeah, I love it. No, no, no. It's like, I love it. It's like, clear statement. So if the answer is for you not like this, then there might be some blockage somewhere.

Agi Keramidas: 24:57

This is fascinating, and I will come back. To the the energy, the flow, the blockages, all this because it is, I'm keeping that for sure, because there are some things to discuss, but I will stick to what we have been saying. First of all, I find this classification of those five core areas fascinating, and when you were describing it, I was trying to find some argument, you know, against one of them or something that is missing. And I couldn't, no, no, it is. It is different than other classifications that I have used, you know, to measure my satisfaction or happiness, or things like that. So that's one thing that I noted, the self social action subtainments and map, which is a very, in a way, different way of classifying.

Christian W Schnepf: 26:00

Can I really give a comment to that? Please? Do? You said it's different from the other ways you you measured. Did you use the wheel of life?

Agi Keramidas: 26:09

Yes, yeah, the one that comes to mind is wheel of life.

Christian W Schnepf: 26:12

Wheel of Life. And that's a common approach that that that I tried, and that I think I succeeded in challenging or overcoming because it, it is factor based. Basically, it has assumptions, like, we assume we have a relationship, and how well is your relationship going? And I used the wheel of life many years ago, and I when I started researching and started having interviews, and I found people that say, I'm really, really satisfied with my life, but I don't have a relationship according to the wheel of life, that would be a failure. So you because you didn't reach that. How satisfied are you with your career? Ask a retired person who is completely fulfilled doesn't have a career. So we assume those things, and that's also where most life satisfaction metrics are built upon. And for short, Happiness Index is assuming that you need to have a certain amount of income to be satisfied, and that's based on assumptions. And my approach was we need to find some common ground that applies to any human living today, in any culture, as well as to any human ever lived. And what are those? What is the framework? And that's where the five areas distilled over time.

Agi Keramidas: 27:29

One other thing, you said, assumptions, and one other thing that, personally, I have found challenging when filling in this kind of measurements is how subjective it is. So if I have to give a score from one to 10, it is, honestly speaking, whether it's going to be six or seven, I can't really pinpoint that. It is quite subjective. Of course, it gives a rough idea. But as a score. So I'm fascinated to go deeper and see how precise the way that you measure it.

Christian W Schnepf: 28:12

Yeah, so one thing we do is we don't use a score. We don't ask from one to 10, because that requires already to use your brain, and your brain is usually more is a great tool to find threat and to avoid problems, but it's not really a great, great tool to tell you how you feel, because you don't think satisfaction. You feel satisfaction. So that's why we don't use the scale. We asked, How do you feel? And we currently, in our current version, we allow users to just select on, yeah, we could call it a scale, but it's not a real scale. Like from I hate it to I really dislike it. I like I dislike it, I'm okay. I like it, I really like it, and I love it. And if there's some hesitation to click on, I love it, then there's not, I love it, period. And that's, that's where you can just feel in into those so we may make those experiments where we saw what people tending to click on, and we give even the we give even the opportunity to choose two things. So you say, I like some parts, but some parts I dislike, and something in between, and calculating, therefore the ratio within each element that takes place in someone's life. And in that case, yeah, it wasn't. It was an experiment some time ago to see whether that works, and it did work, and we saw on the dashboard a highly accurate outcome and prediction what needs to be done and where the energy is blocked. We got feedback from users who literally say, I wasn't aware of that, but I'm surprised that you could pinpoint that my biggest challenge in life currently is the relationship with person A and how did you know? And that is literally, is very precise indeed. So.

Agi Keramidas: 30:01

Agi Christian for someone listening right now who has ticked the boxes or the traditional boxes of success, but feels unfulfilled or at a crossroads, perhaps, what's one insight from the science of good times that can help them realign with their life and meaning?

Christian W Schnepf: 30:29

That is a very good question. And eventually, let me give a bit of context that this is understood so in the in the frame of energy flow. Let's describe it that way. It is about that your organism, you as a self, you are functioning. Your life is functioning. And one of the biggest challenges why this is not the case is because you are orientating on societal definitions of success. That's why I did my PhD, or do my PhD in Sociology, because I realised it's a big, big factor of influence how people think they need to do what they need to do, but it is not fulfilling if you do something that is is that you have been told to do while your inner energy system is not working. So it is for you focusing on yourself and saying, I need to be satisfied with myself sustainably. So if I would just drop that one as one single orientation, orientation, then if you would really, you could stop listening at that point and really just asking yourself, I'm orientating my whole life that I am 100% satisfied with myself for as long as possible, sustainably. If you do this inevitably, you would pay attention to all the other areas supporting yourself. You would pay attention to that no one is that, that you are, that you're not depending on acknowledgement from others. You would pay attention to that. You would have enough, enough income. That is, you can actually move in all directions you want to go, and you can eat healthy food, and you can do the things you want to do. You would design your work in a way that you feeling like, Yeah, I'm, I'm excited to do those things, and I'm not feeling an inner resistance all of those stuff. So that is basically, that is basically the direction I would give as a recommendation to ask yourself, Am I truly satisfied being who I am, or am I trying to fit in? And am I chasing what someone else defined for me, the successes, and what would it really be for me? How would I really want to live and for the long term, and then designing, designing your own life, designing things in your environment that they work for you. That means choose the environment that you say, I really want to be here, and not because I grew up here or because that's what I've been told is the most practical for work. No, I really want to be here, and I'm not spending time with the people because I grew up with them, or that's my colleagues. No, I really want to spend time with those people. And then how much money do I need to earn? I need 10k per month. That's what I've been told. Is it true, or am I actually very, very satisfied with 2k or 1k and living a simple life, that as long as you can live the life you want to do, because that's especially when it comes to money, it's a big, big trade off that is mostly not in the favour of the individual. And I say I'm spending most of my time to get something that I actually don't really need, but no, I don't know. I don't have the time to do the things that I actually want to do, and then designing all of that around. But it is about you, and it is about being highly satisfied with yourself, from your health and physical comfort, bodily comfort, to your mental clarity, to your inner state, your inner peace, and eventually aligning all your actions around what you believe is right for you. Radically, just, just radically, just sorting out what doesn't serve me doesn't fit in here, but I'm not saying doesn't serve me for a moment, but later I might regret it. Now, think it through, but then trust yourself. If it doesn't serve me, then I can trust myself it doesn't serve me. I choose something else that serves me better.

Agi Keramidas: 34:28

Christian, thank you for this insightful and inspiring answer you gave. I appreciate very much as I will start wrapping things up for today, I would like to ask you, first of all, where would you like to direct the listener of this conversation to find out more and carry on the journey with you?

Christian W Schnepf: 34:57

Go on goodtime, dot app. Go. Time dot a PP, I developed a tool Together with a team, meanwhile, that doing exactly that, basically allowing you to navigate your life based on data rather than guesswork. And we are currently still in the development but we want to, want to get people on it and have the experience that we've got from the first users that is eventually our way to impact as many people as possible and support people. Before I was coaching, I still offer that in case someone wants to have an intensive support, but it has its limits. I'm currently only offering to three people a year, also considering my capacity. But with a good time dot app we have we have unlimited support opportunities, and it's a simple way to to navigate life clearly.

Agi Keramidas: 35:52

Thank you. Christiana, I also have two quick questions for you, and one is, what does personal development mean to you,

Christian W Schnepf: 36:06

becoming the best version of myself every day and sustainably so can I look into the mirror? Am I saying I'm living the way I believe is right? And am I do I have the courage to also look at the things that I'm not satisfied with with myself, and then accordingly, change it. And for me, this is personal development being the best version of myself.

Agi Keramidas: 36:33

And hypothetically speaking, if you could go back in time and meet your 18 self, what's one, one piece of advice you would tell

Christian W Schnepf: 36:42

him, trust yourself. Trust yourself. Yeah. I mean, really, I, as you say, you you basically saying it's a different person. You're 18 year old, and I agree with that. I'm there are some parts of this 18 year old still outside of me, but I basically would say that's another kind of another person. And I have respect of that guy. He did a lot of stuff correct, and really well, just wasn't sure about it, and was letting himself be influenced by the voices from others, saying maybe, maybe it's not good to do to pay attention to fitness all the time. Maybe it's okay to just stay up longer, maybe, maybe I just don't know, and someone else knows better. That was my thought back then. So I How can I tell if I didn't try both? Man, you just knew it. Just you knew it a bit, and trust yourself.

Agi Keramidas: 37:38

Christian, I want to thank you very much for this conversation we had today. I was I was I was telling you earlier I was looking forward to it, and it's really satisfied. And more, you know, intellectually in my curiosity and I believe that the insights and some practical things, especially what you were just saying in the end, about asking those questions and really taking the time to consider, I believe they're very useful. So thank you very much. I want to wish all the best with you know your journey with the app and your mission, I will What I would like to leave it with. Actually, it will be your parting words. If you would like to offer something actionable as well to the listener you know as your parting words for this conversation,

Christian W Schnepf: 38:52

something actionable. I think it starts with committing and and the belief around I deserve to live good. I deserve to live well, and I deserve to have a good life and getting clarity around this and allowing yourself, listening inside of yourself and saying, Hey, you're great the way you are, and you deserve to have a good life. I would encourage people to take the time and convince themselves eventually that they start believing and it is possible to love every day of my life, to love myself, to love the people in my environment, to love what I do, to love what I get, and to love where I am, and I deserve that, because the moment you really believe I deserve that becomes just the puzzle to to fill. You just start looking out for what, what makes it possible. But if you don't believe that you don't deserve it, you start, or you continue, sabotaging yourself. And that is there's a strategy. You deserve better. So I, I, I. Send it with all my love and all my my goodwill to to the listeners, love yourself and believe that you deserve it to have a good life and everything else practically fill the gaps, and if our tool helps you, it's our pleasure.

Agi Keramidas: 40:19

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