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Athletic Performance Podcast
025 - Dean Guedo on High Flux Nutrition, Mental Preparation for Competition, and How Much Strength for Sport is Necessary
Today's podcast with Dean Guedo covers a range of topics including:
✅ Performance Anxiety & Mental Prep for Competition
✅ His High Flux Nutrition Approach to Body Comp
✅ Balancing Mobility, Strength, Technique, and Conditioning for Optimal BJJ Performance
✅ Keep Training Simple
And much more.
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Today's guest is known as the Walkmore King on Instagram, Mr. Dean Guido. Dean and I riff on a number of topics today ranging from high energy flux nutrition, balancing mobility strength technique in the sport of jujitsu, the challenging downside of being incredibly strong when it comes to sporting movement, performance anxiety and mental strategies for competition prep, and even into the movement models and the application of simple techniques. Dean is quite comical, which makes him a pleasure to interview and chat with. This conversation flows pretty effortlessly between topics. And while we don't dive deep into any particular topic, you can hear many of the industry wide challenges we discuss on a variety of topics. If you're looking for an easy listen with some viewpoints from two well seasoned coaches, This interview will deliver, and it might even get your wheels turning. Next, before you listen, please mark your calendar for my training entitled Speed Simplified, Building Fast Athletes Faster, on October 1st. I'll be doing a deep dive into how you assess, correct, and improve speed with your athletes. If you're a coach in the private sector who wants to be the go to performance guy in your area, this workshop is a must attend. message me on Instagram at coach Ryan Patrick or email athletic pod at gmail. com. That's athletic pod, P O D, at gmail. com. Now, without further ado, Dean Guido.
Ryan Patrick:But anyway, I want to hear, I want to hear about the tournament, the, the world's, how was it? It's
Dean Guedo:good. It's, it's always funny when I talk about like jujitsu worlds, cause you can say it multiple ways, but it's really world masters, but you leave out the world, the master's part, because no one knows what that is. And I just want them to assume I'm the world champion of the world. Um, as, as we know, but no, it was
Ryan Patrick:master's class or not, man. That's where all the guys with the dad
Dean Guedo:strength
Ryan Patrick:are.
Dean Guedo:Well, that's kind of where, like, so the tournament was awesome, but I think that's like, I have no reference point other than adults divisions are super tough because they're young, but they're also young. And at the same time size, I feel so strong just because I don't feel old and I don't feel like I have old man's strength, but I understand it when I feel what young man's strength is, which it's, it's just conditioning and effort. Where I'm the opposite. It's strength and I want the least amount of effort because I just don't have it. But yeah, man, like a tournament like that. So the reason why like I'm pretty proud of it is that at the world tournament, like just everyone shows up. And so there was no easy matches and like, obviously it would be nice if they were easy and I won, but it feels way better. When, like, I pretty much took out the four, three, and one seed, just because I was unranked. So I basically had to fight my way in through all the good guys, and so winning it was amazing. Because then I was like, okay, I fit in. Like, not that you don't know if you fit in, but I feel like I legitimately fit in, at least at Purple Belt, because it was so hard. And so I don't know,
Ryan Patrick:yeah,
Dean Guedo:I don't know where to go. I just have to get better now. But right now I feel pretty fucking good, to be honest.
Ryan Patrick:Dude, I would, and I've kind of hesitated doing some of those bigger tournaments like that, because I'll be honest, like, I see some of the highlights on Flow or IBJJF, and they've got these blue belts at like the World Pan Ams and shit. I'm like, that's a fucking blue belt. I'm like, you gotta be kidding me. So, like, my assumption is there's a lot of sandbaggers who are trying to just, you know, pad the rankings. So, I mean, for you to pull up and, and sweep through the way that you did was, Man, I was so impressed.
Dean Guedo:Well, thank you. Cause blue belt was way harder. It felt like for that exact reason. I, again, I don't know. I'm pretty new to the sports, like three and a half years. So I don't know the whole culture. I didn't grow up in it, but I know there's probably some sand baking going on, but the divisions are just so big. And even like comparing my skill level now, I'm starting to actually learn jujitsu and like figure out how to slow things down, which is like a fairly new thing. Like I want to say the last Six months and then I like think what the hell was I doing before and then I go to this tournament and I watched The blue belts. I'm like, oh I was doing that like I was just going nuts like yeah I don't even know how I made it through matches like it's not even like a comparison Which is like so it's like are they crazy good or are they just bad and and they're all the same level Just going crazy So I think if you watch those tournaments like the blue and the white belt matches And some of the purple ones, the smaller guys are just like, they're almost more spectator friendly
Ryan Patrick:because
Dean Guedo:it's happening the whole time.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. My last tournament, I, man, I did so much conditioning for it. I was like, all right, I know these blue belts, they like to go. I mean, I spent 12 weeks, like just. Fucking crushing myself on the assault bike. Like more work than I'd ever done. My, my aerobic capacity was probably the best it's ever been. It had to be. And I go to the tournament and the first match I go into an overtime and I was, I was waxed. Yeah. Like I wanted to throw up after that. I could barely keep up. And I mean, it was just nonstop. We were just moving constantly. So, I mean, imagine just a 5, 6 minute assault bike as hard as you can. I mean, like, I'm supposed to like, pull up and like, I'm, you know, I'm on a 1 or 2 match break and then I'm back in. I'm like, I'm not going to be recovered for this. And I got in the second match and, you know, just like you, I mean, I'm even less experience in the sport. I get in there and like, second nature was like, I started pulling on lapels and doing all this weird stuff where after the fact, I'm like, my God, like, what the fuck was I doing? Like, it's the worst. Like, yeah, I mean, it was just, you know, Jacksonian dissolution, whatever you want to call it. Like I just regressed to like this amateur amateur and it was,
Dean Guedo:it was still like terrible, same experience. The problem was, and this isn't like to be like cocky because I won. So at American nationals, I did he and no, he actually pulled out of my last match, so I didn't win, but I won all my matches I did, but I had the same experience is that I was in, I'm in good condition, like I know how to train. I mean, the best shape of my life. And then I roll up to American Nationals, my first match, I'm fucking dead. Like, it was like a five minute match, and like, we were standing, but it was like, we weren't doing anything. But I was so tired. And then I go to the Nogi one, and I had to face the number one guy in the world at the time. And like, I'm just doing exactly what you said, I'm just moving the whole way. And like, I ended up putting on like a, an advantage, maybe two advantages. Yeah. It's like, I hurt my knee at the pullout. It was like, man, like what the hell? And there's two things. So my coach was like, yeah, you're just basically doing a bunch of stuff you don't need to do. That was one. And then like mentally though, like I had so much pressure on myself that I could kind of grind out a win, but I lost all everything I do. I didn't do, I wasn't loose. I didn't do any of the moves I do. I was just kind of hammering. It was tense. Like, you, you know, the feeling with the forums and everything, it was just like instant to the point where like, it didn't make any sense. So I've spent the whole year basically kind of working with Jeb a little bit. Um, he's within our network, but like literally just on the sports performance, mental side of things and kind of redefining what training looks like in terms of like mindset going into it. And then kind of like same thing with the matches was like, pretty much no one cares except for you as teammates and watching people. You can kind of relate with it is that you don't actually care if your teammates win or lose it. Obviously you care if they win, but if they lose, it's not a big deal. And so. If you take that weight off your shoulders, I ended up feeling like I could just kind of roll into there, like, just do what I do. And then my conditioning cleared up. So it was, it was almost between that. So American nationals was June world's Nogi was December. And although I lost, I won a match and then I lost the decision. Um, I felt great. Like my conditioning was there, felt loose. I felt like I'd go like 10 matches. And like that to me was a success because I just kind of redefined how I, like I Approach training and approach matches, and then it cleared up all that stuff. Um, I still was tired and anxious, but it was like a different, it was like appropriate, if that makes sense.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I'd like to dive into that a little bit because I think the performance anxiety that I get now is, it's just a massive adrenaline dump. I mean, I'm talking like 150, 160 before I even touch the mats.
Dean Guedo:So I have the data on that. It was my whoop. Um, whatever you think about whoop, whatever, but at least the tracks heart rate,
Ryan Patrick:like
Dean Guedo:I didn't track it during this one, but afterwards, yeah. Like my adrenaline. No, I was at, I was at like one, one 40 to like one 20. For like five hours post like that's insane, but I was I was literally felt like I was just a zombie doing nothing and my heart rates up Well, yeah, anyways, that's that's a real thing.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah, man. Just I mean, I'm just buzzing. It's to the point I even I was laughing because I saw you post a story yesterday about doing peanut butter and jellies And that's about the only thing I can stomach on, on that day. I mean, it's to the point where I get like a, almost like an anorexia where I just don't want to eat because it's, it's like, everything's going to upset my stomach.
Dean Guedo:Well, and it's not like I'm a pro at this stuff. Like I've seen one, a purple belt and masters two super heavy, but like a lot of people listening. Yourself. I played team sports my whole life. I played college football. Like I, I had anxiety somewhat, but in football, like after kickoff you get rocked or you rock someone or whatever, like it, it's kind of just gone. It's like, and, and it's always
Ryan Patrick:after that first hit.
Dean Guedo:Yeah. But with juujitsu, like if you get an adrenaline dump and you get fucked because there's no break afterwards'cause you're just in a fight. And you lose, you're out of the tournament, like
Ryan Patrick:that
Dean Guedo:would be like the equivalent of like missing a tackle your first play of the game. And then they're like, yeah, you're like the game's over. You lost like, and so it doesn't, it's not really that helpful to like, have that massive adrenaline dump and a performance depreciation, I guess, because of it, you kind of have to be able to weather that a little bit, or at least control it. Because again, if you can make it through your first match, which I can usually figure it out sometimes, but then what do you do for the next few? You know what I mean? And so again, that wasn't something I had experienced in team sports the same way because the team would pick up the slack or whatever, right? If you had a, you would maybe miss one play, but you get 80 plays in a game, 50 plays in a game.
Ryan Patrick:Right. Yeah. Completely different. So, so you said you did a lot of work as far as just, uh, how you approach training, how you prep for the meets. What, what were some of the big changes for you?
Dean Guedo:Yeah. So one of the things was I read a book, um, again, One of my business partners, but good friends. He's into like a lot of the mental side of things, especially with like as nutrition coaches. So I'm a nutrition coach, he's a nutrition coach that does, um, kind of doesn't use the classic nutrition macros counting. He's kind of more on the mental side of things. And so applying. Some of those concepts with sports performance was what I did. And one of the concepts was, um, it's called internal family systems. Just IFS for short. There's a book called no bad parts, but it's kind of utilizing if you ever seen the movie switch Or, uh, yeah, switch where he has like the different personalities. It's kind of like, and he kind of snaps into a different one, but not that this is that, like, it's not like schizophrenia, but it's kind of like you have all these versions of you that come out at different times and more or less, um, and they use it in eating and trauma and all this stuff, like looking to go to that. But for sports, there's certain. I guess identities that will take over and they serve a purpose, meaning that there, there's nothing that's bad. It's just that sometimes they've run their course, meaning if you use like aggression to get through a tough time and you were successful, you'll kind of dip back into that to a point where like aggression isn't going to help in jujitsu if that's your main one, right? Because especially when there's a five minute match or whatever, it's like you kind of assign the rules. Or reassign roles or have like a conversation within yourself, all these different parts to have, um, an outcome that's more aligned with where you're at or for the sport is how I used it. The sport, the training, and then the matches was trying to redefine, I guess, um, your inner superhero or demon or the fuck you want to call it. But appropriately signing and then identifying ones that are more helpful. So in my case was. I'm super tense on my coach, he said this right before the match, where he's like, I was like, yeah, the training's not that fun. He's like, yeah, you're the most stressed out person I've ever met. And that's saying a lot. And I was like, damn, but part of my work that I've been doing is like trying to be not like the opposite of stressed, like
Ryan Patrick:trying to
Dean Guedo:have fun as opposed to thinking winning at all costs is helpful, but essentially assigning that more of a predominant role in my training camp. Um, because if I'm riding high the whole time, kind of like your experience with the match, but if I treat every transition like that, like I just get hurt. And I was getting hurt every competition, probably a month out, partially because I was treating every training session like I'm in a life or death match. And so as much as that helps me, it's not that helpful until I need it, which is kind of in a scramble or a submission escape or. Blast double, you know what I mean? Like, Hey, when we're getting grips and there's nothing that's going to happen. And I just gas out my grips because I decided I was going to have a massive adrenaline aggression dump.
Ryan Patrick:So he was
Dean Guedo:kind of like that process was individual to me, but that's kind of what I did. And I, I signed it in essentially blocks of training and then also like a lead up to the matches. And then on game day, we kind of have a different structure. But like, that's not training, but it kind of is because at a certain point, you're in shape. It doesn't really matter if you can't actually do the damn thing.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. If
Dean Guedo:we're talking sports.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. I have a couple of thoughts on this. So one, does it, does it help you to go against some of the lower belts so that you can learn how to pace and slow down and just execute technically?
Dean Guedo:Yeah. So I have a unique condition where we have a pretty small gym. And so, yes, the short answer is yes, but it's kind of forced upon me. I'm basically rolling with like two black belts and a brown belt. One's a multiple time world champion. The other one's very competitive black belt. And then the other one's, he got like third at world or brown belt, but they're all like super heavies or ultra heavies. And so I look at that as like my strength training.
Ryan Patrick:So like
Dean Guedo:I'm in bad positions. I'm, I'm lifting weights, so to speak, to kind of build a resistance to the resistance and then everyone else feels lighter. And then I utilize, we'll call it lower belts, but a lot of times it's people in my level, um, or like in and around blue, purple belt as like, does this stuff, can I work on it? And then if it works on the better guys, it probably works. Um, and then if it works on my guys. Um, I know it's more than likely going to work in competition, but, um, and then the white belts, I utilize it to like, fuck around.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. Kind of like intense. It's
Dean Guedo:like, there's a testing round of like, I need to try positions. I really suck at, and then the middle of the pack or like guys that are at my level, um, I'll test to make sure it actually works and then does it really, really work? It doesn't really matter if it works in the black belt, but if it does work on a black belt, it definitely works on a purple. And so I use that gauge. So yes, a hundred percent, but that's kind of where you can alternate intensities. It's like, I can't get crazy with the, if we look at from a training block, I can't have my intensity up with the black belts because they can match it and exceed it. And then I have no, nowhere to go from there, but I can go super intense with people close to mine because I also don't have to go above my threshold. I can control the pace and then same thing with the white belts. I kind of just choose what I want to do. And usually I don't go crazy because. You'll just hurt them. And so you lose, I don't want to lose a training partner, but they, they also have a crazy intensity too. Like anyone who's ever changed Jiu Jitsu and you go with new guys, I almost stay away from a lot of the new bigger guys. Cause I can just imagine what I was like, I was probably a terrible person to train. Like seeing red can't control them. And so I'll only do that if I'm like, can I control that? Cause if I can control that, I control someone who's better, but maybe less intense is kind of how I look at it.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah, what was the transition like into jujitsu for you? Because one of the things you've described is, I think, a problem I run into, and maybe I would expect a lot of guys coming from our field, strength and conditioning have this problem too. But if there's a problem, I generally want to solve it with more force and more aggression, right? That's the answer. And I've seen you, I've seen your videos. You'll be new deadlifted seven, 800 pounds. So it's like, you know how to grind, you know how to put a little bit behind it, but it's also like, The very thing that just completely obliterates your conditioning and capacity to do virtually anything, especially if you go against a guy who can just tie you down in the geek.
Dean Guedo:Yeah. And it's like anyone who's like done jujitsu from our field probably has a similar experience. It's like, and it's nothing, it's more of like. Jiu jitsu as a culture, their training and visioning is fucking a hundred years behind. There's no real like guidance on how to like structure this thing, especially when you come and you don't know the sport. So I would say like three years, I'm starting to learn the sport. And that's why some of this, my training is actually more around the mental side of things. Cause again, how much at a certain Strength level that you're going to, you're going to exceed its use at some point for me, actually, I had to learn real fast, probably within the first three months that if I wanted to get good at Jiu Jitsu. So this is like, I'm not just trying to do both. I was like, I'm just going to do Jiu Jitsu. I found my strength training need to basically cease to exist because. Right. The, the allocator resources for me was, it was a technical jujitsu problem, not a strength problem. And then I was like, let's just say I don't lift. What's the worst that can happen. I go from a, at the time I was. Deadlifting between six and 700 pounds regularly, like that's not that useful because you know, It's useful just as much as a 700 pound deadlift a 300 pound deadlift because that's the max I'm going to lift So it was more Can I utilize the base that I built as a as a kind of I can give away that base and Still be stronger than most people and then allocate those resources. Did you just do I did the opposite approach of Of Using strength and strength and conditioning to make my jujitsu better. I was like, I'm already strong enough, which is like, not, that's not a humble break. I think that most people that are very active, even yourself, like you crushed that one event. I don't know. I can't even remember the, the, that one event you did, but it was like massive amounts of pull ups and deadlifts. Oh,
Ryan Patrick:the, uh, tactical strength,
Dean Guedo:like. A thousand percent stronger than you need to be for any, any person you're going to go against. And so I took the opposite approach, which was like, can I keep that to a minimum? So just basically maintain, um, and then. Up my conditioning and up my jujitsu and so far so good. Like, I mean, the experiment, I think work, I've obviously included training in more recently. I've kind of more included it, but I want the opposite of like cold turkey stock, which might not be what everyone thinks, but again, the people in our field. Anyways, if we start from that base, I don't know if it helps that much because the adaptations required for lifting are almost the opposite. Of the adaptations required for jujitsu, which I need to be loose. I need to get in these weird positions, lifting you're, it's, you're, you're trying to become a fridge again. That's there's different ways of training to not lose that. But, um, a lot of the main hammers are going to be compound lifts for building strength. And again, my adaptations were so strong. I had to undo that to an effect because anytime I tried to train, even it was a. Lighter deadlift. I would treat it like a 700 pound deadlift. So I couldn't
Ryan Patrick:let
Dean Guedo:go of the adaptations without kind of getting rid of them altogether.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. I mean, I, like I said, it's everything became a high threshold strategy, right? So whether I was, uh, you know, doing an arm drag or I was trying to use some kind of Bravo grip, like it was just full scent. And yeah, this is really interesting, but I've been listening to some stuff from George Brooks and lactate. And he said something really recently that I thought was Super interesting. It caught my attention, but he said, you know, um, upper body stuff is, you know, it's, it's more, um, fast Twitch type two fibers because they're not crazy endurance fibers. When I think back to when I started in jujitsu, you're trying to bench press guys, you're trying to grip them down and hold them. And, and I was like, holy shit. So like, here I am like trying to use my upper body strength, which was, you know, sufficient, maybe a great survival mechanism, but it was just causing this massive production of lactate. Which, you know, can be used for energy, but I'm like, I'm just guessing myself out. Like, I am, I am causing like such a deficit. And so, I mean, I've kind of gone the same ways as you where the priority has been on, you know, more conditioning capacity stuff. And just, I would say a retention of strength. Like, I don't. I don't find it as useful.
Dean Guedo:Right, and it's weird coming from a strength and conditioning background is that again, a lot of our main tools are gym lifts, which is fine, but it almost made me redefine how I thought about football. I mean, when I was playing and not that certain conditioning doesn't have a place, I think it absolutely does, but all the guys were the best. And a lot of them either didn't go to the gym or slackers, but they were all the dudes who were like super chill and good athletes. And they never lost that athleticism by implementing archaic lifting strategies, right? Cause when you're a kid, you're not like taking control of your training. You're just listening to. To your strength and conditioning coach, which don't come from the same background and we're lifting like anyways, it was just, I felt like the adaptations didn't suit the sport. And then I look at Jiu Jitsu and almost to a different degree, I think that there's way more crossover between traditional strength training and football, let's say for that particular sport, depending on what you
Ryan Patrick:do. But Jiu
Dean Guedo:Jitsu is almost like, unless you're an ultra heavy in standup where you're never actually going into a lot of those deeper positions. I don't think. It's that helpful outside of like a base level understanding and range of motion. But the second range of motion starts to decrease to get more weight is the second, I think it stops being useful. So you can make a play for full range of conditioning or full range of motion bodybuilding if you would adhere to it. Again, if you look at basic strength standards, it's all leveraged off of bench, squat, deadlift, and then everything's built out from there. I don't know. I feel like they're just not the appropriate adaptations in my mind, but you have no strength. Like you're not me. You're not a master. Then yeah, I think it does have a hundred percent carry over to a point. If you don't lose the qualities that you inherently make you good at, which is where everyone goes wrong, they lose, they lose their ability to move the more stronger they get and they utilize kind of, they just start cutting depth, I guess, so to speak, or whatever, they get so locked into a certain lift that they then lose the ability to do that stuff. That's where it's kind of cool seeing some of the coaches now training. Um, I can't remember their names, but a lot of people in our space, they're actually like doing a lot of like weird lifts, odd lifts. And I think that that has more carry over just because we're trying to train athletes, not power lifters. I
Ryan Patrick:know my body felt a lot better when I started rolling around on the ground because it was so stiff. I mean, cause I started shortly after that, that tactical strength, I think it was. It was probably a year after, after COVID and man, my body was just, it was a mess. I mean, I was as strong as I'd ever been. I looked great. I carried probably about 10 pounds more muscle, but man, like I had some, I flared up my sciatica, like I did some stupid stuff that just, it kind of pushed me over the edge. I'm like, I don't know, like. I mean, if I get to like, I'm closing in on a 700 pound deadlift, I'm like, but I don't know if it's worth it at this point. Like, is this really what I want to do? Cause I mean, I, I was an athlete too. Like I like to feel athletic. I want to be able to move. And I was, I was a fucking Lego, man. I mean, I could literally just like not turn. And as soon as I started hitting the mats, man, within weeks, like a couple of weeks, my hips just felt great. I'm like, Oh, I'm kind of like moving again. Like, and it's just been, it's been so much better since then.
Dean Guedo:Well, it's like, again, I remember this one moment. So I was in. I was in Jamaica with Stronger Experts, um, with Coach Cav, basically training Jamaican sprinters. And so one, one of the ones was, um, Johan Blake. So he, he came out and did the whole thing and then all of us got to race him. And we're feeling like, I'm, I'm, I'm not at my biggest at that point, but I was trying to be as big as possible. So I was probably like two 35 and I'm about 210 right now, but I lost a lot of muscle, but, um, I don't lose a lot, but I lost a lot of weight. I remember going and I'm like, I'm fast. I was, you know, I was the fastest guy on the team, a Canadian clock, four, four, four, probably four, six, um, laser tap. Um, but fast enough. Okay. Like I was a DB, whatever. I was always fast. That was my thing. I go there and like, I got, I got fucking waxed. Obviously he's, he was in one of the pinnacles of his career at that time. He's coming off the pinnacle, but he's still fast enough. And he gave us like a, honestly, like a 15. Meter head start just fucking waxed it, but I don't think that's enough. No, I couldn't. It felt so slow. And I looked, I was upright. My legs were like, so internally rotated cause I had nothing. And there, I was like, I was like, what the fuck is that? And like, I hadn't sprinted in like, since I was done college basically. And I had lost it. I had completely lost. I couldn't rotate. Like I said, my, my heels just flared up. Like, I looked like I was just. unathletic piece of crap. And that was kind of the start of my brain turning. I'm like, man, like I lost it by getting strong and stopping doing the sport. I think there's a, there's a, an argument for that, but like lost it completely. And like
Ryan Patrick:rolling
Dean Guedo:around, you kind of feel like you haven't lost it, but you kind of understand like, Oh, like if I don't change something, I can't. Roll on the ground, even just a little bit without like, hurting your shoulder.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah,
Dean Guedo:which is kind of like,
Ryan Patrick:I just want it all, man. I just want to do it all. I don't want any of the negative consequences. Like, why can't this happen?
Dean Guedo:Well, I think it plays to like. I don't know what's obviously smart programming is going to be the goal. If you're a coach and you can do this stuff, you can kind of prioritize stuff. But I think a lot of us probably have a similar experience where we don't know what we lost because we thought we wanted something, but it takes so much to get some of those old qualities back. It almost would have been better if I just kept them in the mix. And I almost, I don't necessarily want to say I regret it because I don't. Regret much, but I wish I would have kept those athletic qualities while training, even powerlifting. I don't think it would have affected my bottom line too much. And I ended up quitting anyways. So I lost all of this stuff over like a subpar powerlifting total, which was like good for like my level, but it wasn't like amazing and I lost everything.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah.
Dean Guedo:Just by sprinting and jumping and just keeping it in the mix. So, I mean, yeah. Priority.
Ryan Patrick:It's crazy. I try to tell that to people. I'm like, you know. I mean, I was, I was strong. I was not, not even in the conversation of elite. Right. But for, for most people, clients, I'm like, look, I'm, you know, I don't think you understand how good people are at certain things like you see me and you see, I'm really strong and I might be the strongest person, you know, I'm like, but my deadlift for my weight class is like, Only like 60 percent of what the best person is doing right now. Do you know what I mean? Like there's such a difference closer to me than I am to the elite people. I quit because of that
Dean Guedo:exact reason. So I remember at the Arnold, I was going to like, I was, I didn't deadlift this. I bombed out on deadlift because I was stupid. I missed seven Oh five opener, but I didn't miss it. Like I kind of, my grip went out a little bit and they're like, hold it downward motion. I was like, fuck that. I'm going to seven. 45,
Ryan Patrick:it
Dean Guedo:was like, that's just my mentality. But if I would've got seven 45, it would have been, I think the third best deadlift of all time at one 98 at that time, within, I want to say six months. That wouldn't even have made the top 20. It's like all the people kind of came out. This would have been like 10 years ago and they're like, Oh yeah. All the freaks started coming out and not even the freaks, just kind of the outlier freaks. We still know how strong people are going to be because they're on the NFL, but. Like that deadlift would not even be the top. I don't even know if it would be in the top 50 anymore. So it was like, man, I can't, I can't get any more out of my deadlift, like I'm done. And so it was like, kind of, that was kind of the start of the end. I want to say like a year later, I was like, yeah, it's not worth it. Like, I can't get a 2, 100 pound total. That's. Insane.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. I remember, I, I think I was trying to qualify for the Arnold one year. Cause I'm in Cincinnati. So Columbus is like two hour drive, very close. And so I'm like, okay, if I, if I, you know, do this local meat, it's a national qualifier. I can do that in the fall. And then I can go to the Arnold in the spring and in March. And so I was training, I was like locked in really trying to do this. I'm like, I need like a four 40 Wilkes or something around there. And it was, it was going to be dicey. Like, I didn't know if I was going to get there. It was a little bit of a stretch goal. I broke my leg that summer, training's off. So can't do it. By spring I hit my best squat ever. But at that point, like the qualifiers the next year around, the deadlifts were all like 50 pounds higher. I'm like, what, like, what, what happened? Like, where do all these kids come from? And they were all probably, you know, Eight to 12 years younger than me at the time, you know, early 18 to 22. I'm like there, I'm like, I can't fucking, I can't do it. Like, I can't keep up with these kids. Like it's the game has just is escalated to a level that I think is incredible. But like.
Dean Guedo:Yeah,
Ryan Patrick:I missed the boat. I missed the boat.
Dean Guedo:And like, I don't love power lifting that much to like put my whole life into the B subpar, right? Like, like if I was gonna win, like at that time, like a third best deadlift, like sounded pretty cool. I could like use that forever. Obviously that wouldn't have held up the test time. But like, I'm winning like national championships of power lifting with like totals that wouldn't even like make the Arnold. Like I wouldn't even, I don't even know if I'd qualify for Elite anymore. But like, I wouldn't even qualify to get invited to the meeting. And I'm like, like, that sucks. Like I can't even, so then it would become a hobby sport. And to me, hobbies to me, don't require me to get such good adaptations that I lose everything that's fun about life. And, but I had already lost it. So to some extent you probably did too. It was like, well, that ship sailed, like.
Ryan Patrick:I should have picked it. It's probably a good thing again. I mean, I was starting to get like pain. Like, it was hard to deadlift heavy every single week. Like, I was already spacing it out 10 days, 14 days. I'm like, I'm like, getting close to the ceiling of my potential here. I'm like, I think it's. It's probably over unless I want to take some gear, which I really didn't for to win a local competition. Like it seemed really dumb to me. I don't know. It was just, it was time, time to hang it up
Dean Guedo:when it's interesting. Cause like, it was kind of all like kind of within like five years, I start like following Pat and looking at his models evolved over time, but like, They were like looking at compression versus, uh, uh, propulsion and all stuff. And I'm like, Oh yeah, where I was on the arc. And now I'm like, even beyond compression. Um, and I can kind of like you were saying, I couldn't utilize, and I, I'm just starting to unwind that now I couldn't utilize a non compression strategy for everything. And like, obviously sometimes it's good. Like there's the times when I can use it kind of like I was saying, redefining where I use, we'll call it aggression, but kind of just. Another term for that would be compression strategies. Very, very small minute spots that I have to pick. I, I didn't wanna use it for arm drag or for like, pretty much everything on the ground. Like in other, other than like, maybe like pop pressure. But even then you can over do it and then you go flying the other way.'cause uh,
Ryan Patrick:athletic
Dean Guedo:sport. So it was just like, man, like I couldn't move within. My body with any other strategy. And it's, if you start to look at programming from a strategy's perspective, for me, the answer was like, stop using that strategy at all costs, which is very, very difficult when you're, when you're so strict into lifting is like, everything's a deadlift. Well, I had to stop completely.
Ryan Patrick:Everything is a deadlift. I actually went to see, uh, bill Hartman when I was having some of that sciatic pain, because it got, it got so bad Dean that, uh, we were on a family vacation and I could not sleep. Yeah. Oh, I mean, it was this, like, if I would go to sit down, it was just this writhing pain. And so I had to, like, lay on this really short couch and hang my leg off of it just so it would, like, stretch the back of my hip. And then I'd be up by, like, 4 a. m., unable to sleep. And I'd literally just go walk this strip down to Gatlinburg because that's the only time it felt good. I went up to see Bill and we kind of got into this, like, not a spat, but, you know, Bill's like, he's like, man, you're like super compressed. He's like, these are the things you need. You know, this is, you need to like, stop doing some of this stuff. I'm like, okay, so what can I do, Bill? What can I do? He's like, well, you, you don't need to do anything because You've done a lot, like you're super compressed. You need to learn how to relax and do these other things. I'm like, no, no, no, but I'm like, I don't think you understand. I'm like, what do I do? He's like, well, you don't need to do anything. I'm like, no, but I need to fucking like, tell me what to do. He's like, man, he's like, you gotta chill. He's like, you're just in Batman mode. You're, you're like, ready to deadlift at all times. He's like, you need to go the other side. I'm like. I'm like, no, you're still not getting a bill. Like, what do I do? And we just, it was kind of funny, but we had just had this back and forth and it's like, compression got me into the problem. And I'm like, compression is going to get me out of the problem. And it was, it was hard, but I mean, what ended up working was I literally had to like get my calm meditation app out and like lay on my side and do these lazy rolls with my neck and then my trunk and my hips, and it took probably two weeks. It cleared up and I've never had to deal with it again, but. Man, the initial of like getting out of that rut and like being forced to recognize what the other end of the spectrum is like was one kind of terrifying, but it was, um, it was, it was almost a necessity. Like at that point, I, I
Dean Guedo:was in
Ryan Patrick:so much pain. I was like, I'll do whatever.
Dean Guedo:I have some experience with that. Like I had like a spat, I've never met Bill, but I had a spat with him on his app. Just like in my, I can't remember which, whatever the one that they have, where he kind of like walks you through like the rebuilding processes, I think it might be even called that I'm doing a horrible job selling it. Cause I didn't end up doing it long term because of the, I was like, I got, I got a jujitsu thing to go. And like a lot of the answer is like, you need to learn how to calm down. What I found value in. At the beginning, and I still use some of this stuff, is those lazy rolls and stuff, because you realize how tense you are. You can't like melt them. It's almost like they're like, yeah, just like relax. And I'm like, I am relaxed. And then like two minutes later, everything starts to let go. And I'm like, Oh, like, like, I'm not relaxed. Incorporating that into daily movements, obviously, I probably should stop doing jiu jitsu, which was where I had a bad. It's like, I couldn't, I still can't take out some of the triggers,
Ryan Patrick:but
Dean Guedo:I think for me, I've been able to work around a lot of them and obviously I'm not 100 percent pain free, but I can slowly like that concept of letting go. Um, at least sporting practice has offered not even relief, but I guess performance upgrade because it really just trying to let my shoulders relax. It's kind of a big one. Like, don't like use my traps, just all this stuff that they kind of wrap up into like an easy package and they go deep into PRI and all this stuff. But a lot of it's just like, don't fucking use that strategy, which is easier said than done. But I think that it is so
Ryan Patrick:easy. I think every like athletic person, competitive person probably struggles with this. Like I even have to, I even have some of these conversations with some of my high school athletes. Cause I mean, that's the time of your life. Like, yeah, I know you're a baseball player, but you're still a high school dude who wants to look jacked. So you're going to throw in a bunch of exercises to make your arms juicy, to make your pecs juicy. Like I get all that, but like, to be, I still need you to be able to rotate and like swing a bat, like your arms aren't going to do, do much when you're sitting on the bench cause you can't rotate anymore. So like try to just like bake some of this in early on so that they don't have to do as much as we did later. It's just been. Incredibly helpful, but at first they're kind of like they're a little hesitant and I get it. It's not it's not fun It's not sexy
Dean Guedo:for the best guys I think about growing up and even when I was a high school coach for football and all stuff the best guys You didn't have to tell them to relax because they were just like soup like almost like to the point where they didn't care But they could like down regulate By just being fucking not caring
Ryan Patrick:Well,
Dean Guedo:you look at actual sports performance a lot of that time people who have those performance problems You They care too much. So like they could use a dose of that. I'm probably a heavy dose of that, but it doesn't seem like the road to success when you're like, yeah, I'm just going to hammer it. Um, and it doesn't, a lot of them see success, like myself included. Like I haven't really had a losing streak that was so bad. I wanted to quit, but I knew I wasn't at. The level in which I could be, which it's hard to let go. And it still is like, I'm talking like I figured it out, but I haven't, I just like small doses of that have paid off such dividends a, the non training for me is kind of that part for like the training side of things. And then like you said, meditation, but just breathing, like not caring, not, I'm not saying not caring, but finding like a different path to caring that isn't just tension and bull rushing it. And all that stuff is like a skill that I think is. Very helpful to have both sides of things. And we, a lot of us lose it and just classic strength conditioning. We don't even look at that because of, I wouldn't even say negative connotations, but it's kind of like, that's, that's pussy shit or whatever. Like, however you want to conceptualize it. But a lot of it is like a. A thing that you think there is no, there's nothing to go there. Like there's no, there's no point of turning that stone over because it's stupid. And I'd almost argue the opposite 20 years later, but I also was that right? Like I know I was there.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. It's you get wisdom as you come up in the game, right? If I heard a guy already talking about this, I'd be like, yeah, like. He's just a dad now. He's like super soft, but, uh, it's like, at this point I'm here, it's like, I've seen some shit, I've done some shit, you know, I kind of get the big picture, but it's trying to balance it. And I think especially, um, American strength and conditioning, it's like very rooted in that football culture of, you know, use more force, more intensity, more motivation, like coach hardness, like it, that is what it is. And you get some of this European stuff of like, oh, you know, you sprint and you do supplies. We're like, get that weekend shit out of here. Like, Hey, we're not jumping around. Like we're just, we're going to lift some heavy shit and that's it.
Dean Guedo:Well, and like, they're arguably like, I would say a lot of the people that are successful, like in American culture, even that environment, a lot of it's just survivorship virus, there's so many dead bodies along the way and you know where they are, they're all in the training industry with us,
Ryan Patrick:you
Dean Guedo:know what I mean? And so like, it's hard to like, most of them don't get it until they're. I'm going to say our age, but like tilt their masters, but by then, like the, they've impacted so many people. So it's like, now we're trying to undo a bunch of stuff and then apply it to athletes. And it's, I don't know what the solution is. Obviously, I think it's, it's just kind of is what it is, but like, I think that there is merit to hopefully not repeating that cycle. I don't think that that's happening really, um, but we can try a little bit.
Ryan Patrick:I mean, if training's bad, like, do you work with any nutrition with any collegiate athletes or kids of that age?
Dean Guedo:I have a lot of it's jujitsu athletes, but I have, I have a few baseball players. Um, and it's, I don't know, like, yeah, it's the same shit, man. It feels like nothing's changed in like, I'm sure it has. Um, but it feels like nothing's changed and that's not a bad thing. Like people are still successful. It's just, I think that there's a lot of problems when again, they don't make it, then they're us. And I think that there's, if you're like rolling the dice and it's just, I would, I would hope for better, but that's like saying everything's bad. I don't actually believe that. I think that there's just some use to maintaining qualities or inserting them for people who don't have them. Um, I think it was a long way just for the fact.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. So I'm curious, guys come to you for jujitsu nutrition stuff. Is this, um, like what's your primary focus with them? Is this guys who are looking to cut weight classes? Are they just looking to just improve their overall, like longevity in the sport? What's, what are they, what do they tend to be?
Dean Guedo:Yeah. Like, so for clarification, I work with like, I work with like everyone, but I work for a company called child view, at least at the moment in terms of what I contract for. And they, they cover everyone, but they usually give me the people who want to build muscle. And if they put Jiu Jitsu in there, they're like, yeah, we'll send them to our, our token Jiu Jitsu guy. Um, but no, I, I, I, my model is based around, and a lot of this is all kind of this wisdom thing. It's like, what have I seen and what do I think is effective? Um, it ends up being this high flux model where it's just about increasing capacity because I think we live in a world where food's high and activities low. And so even with jujitsu people, a lot of them, when they have the money to do nutrition coaching, they're just masters. They're like, you see, I don't see a lot of like young kids wanting to hire a nutrition coach, so it ends up becoming a lot of people. Like us, um, what come from a background where they don't have their diet. And a lot of them think that jujitsu is enough and unless they're like training like professional athletes, a lot of times it isn't. So it's about getting general, like, and I'm talking nutrition here, but I'm talking output is their general, just enough. They're still sedentary. Even in that sport, because it's such a small part of the day, um, and probably then they're like, well, I lift. It's like, well, like you live for 15 minutes. Like, yeah, you're there for an hour, but there's not, there's not much expenditure. So try to get general overall activity up and increase flux, which is just. Can we eat more and do more? And then again, through just utilization of resources, they can be in a deficit while having higher calories, which solves a lot of the environment problems of food, but then allows them to be able to feel training and then essentially slowly cut. So basically I'm about having deficits at higher calories, which means output has to come up. And a lot of cases I find serves athletes really well that are at that age. Cause again, they start working a normal job. So that desk, uh, again, they're not active even though they think they're active and then getting calories up because of that, because what most people do, especially when they're trying to like have that midlife crisis, join a sport, lose weight, get cut is they just hammer low calories and then their performance suffers and or they get signs of red ass. But the, the main thing is they over train or they can't recover, but it's a food problem. And so, and then they can't white knuckle it. Like everyone thinks they're disciplined until they're hungry and then they can only last so long. So my main concept is, can we get that piece out of it? The main hammer isn't food low. It's actually food high activity. High. It would be like it. Yeah.
Ryan Patrick:I think jumper already wrote a couple papers like years ago for T nation on, on energy, on G flux or whatever it called it at the time. And, uh, man, I've just like, I've always held onto that. I'm like, why would I like, I like to eat and I like shitty. I like shitty food. I mean, I eat a lot of healthy food, but like, I want to eat some cheesecake or cheeseburger. Right? And, um, to me, it was always like, well, I'll just, you know, I'm going to raise my output 1, because I think if you want to progress physically, like, you got to put some work in, like, I'm not saying anything crazy here, but, you know. Like, why would I, why would I want to take my calories? I like, that just sounds like ass,
Dean Guedo:but it's so it's like, but that's like the mentality and I say like, Oh, jujitsu is like a hundred years behind, but I'd say like the general sport, like cutting diet information is like at face level, at least people who aren't like in the industry and Most people who are, um, that's another argument, but the, but they're just seeing like, yeah, you've got to get into calorie deficit. It's like at the cost of the thing that they like to do is where it ends up becoming. And so like the high flux model generally covers all basis is for the simple fact. Let's just say they don't even like shit food. It's just. They're inundated with that anyways, they have kids, their kids are going to eat ice cream and all this shit. Like it's just, it's going to be present. So instead of trying to say no to everything, try to include that in the plan, which again, the cost is they have to do more exercise for more activity. Which they think that they're doing, but they're not. Um, and I want to use jujitsu. Um, the better they get the less output they're going to do for the most part. So like I joke with jeb. It's like you see all the brown belts just get fat, but it's because they're so good They don't actually have to work that hard unless they have training partners at the same level even then They're like they're all creating intensity so that they can get a training effect, but it's a training effect not Output, um, in terms of, we'll call it calories, but it's just not that hard. So yeah, you lose, you lose a bunch of, you have to other shit'cause you're still good.
Ryan Patrick:You lose a bunch of weight as a wipe out, then it slowly starts coming back. The better you get at Juujitsu
Dean Guedo:if you think back to like, like, you're a blue belt. I'm a purple belt. We're not even like, really that far down the road, but I, I expended so much energy as a white belt. Like I would, I would, it would take two days to recover. I couldn't even train. Like I'm training right now because I was just everything was like, yeah, like 100 percent effort. I would love to see the calories on it. Probably it might not be that good,
Ryan Patrick:but I had to stop because I did it. Like, I moved up from like, 3 to 4 geek classes a week. And I think I fried my elbows because it was just all grip all day. You know, like this.
Dean Guedo:Like I thought I, I like looking like elbow 10, like, I just never had that problem until I did jujitsu. And it was, I was like, even if I just, so this is old mentality. If I just did more chin ups, that would help. It's like, no, just like you're doing a million isometric chin ups, like for the week, like you're good. It was hard to kind of grasp that.
Ryan Patrick:To be
Dean Guedo:honest.
Ryan Patrick:I was like, I was like, I got it. I'll just do Nogi
Dean Guedo:soft. Somewhat does help a little bit, but I thought it did, but it was just because there was no grips.
Ryan Patrick:So, uh, weekly activity recommendations, where, where's your, I mean, I would say most people I get them to shoot for five to seven hours. If I'm thinking a high flux, where are you at? How do you break it down to them?
Dean Guedo:Yeah, so like I try to use and again, everyone can do it. I've changed my model a little bit, but in terms of coaching, it's very hard to use that. I'm thinking of overall met scores. So that's just like a metabolic equivalent. So it's like, how much, how hard is this thing and try to accumulate the most. Volume of met scores per time that you have, right? Cause as adults, or as we, as we have like stuff to do kids, work, job, traveling, all this shit is like, you only have a certain time trying to get the most amount of Mets. What I find is that, um, that ends up becoming more of an intensity thing. Like, and so to get more Mets, I look at it as what can you do the most and still recover from, obviously, if you'd like to do Jiu Jitsu intensity is going to go up, but trying to hammer sprinting for four hours, you're not gonna be able to recover and do it. So it ends up becoming. This is an easy way of saying walking. Um, I think rocking has some merit, but to go to the model I use generally, cause it's the easiest is probably step count and then having workout frequency as this, like hovering thing in the background that's stable, but we can't calculate it cause we have no fucking idea. Um, brown belt or the white belts, like how many calories? Like, I don't know, like the fuck now. So it's, it's, it's frequency. And then trying to bring up, um, we'll call it neat, but just overall. Med scores outside of that, usually using a step count. So again, the most effective I find if you're trying to lose weight, probably somewhere north of 12, 000, um, which is like, again, they were talking like athletes who want to lose weight. Like if they're going to bitch about it, it's like, well, it's fucking 12, 000 plus. They're like, well, I get like three now. I'm like, I don't know. Like my friend said, 8, 000 is the right number. And it is for a lot of benefits of health, but it's not enough. A lot of times to move the weight loss needle. And I would say that's a starting point. And so 8, 000 would be like, Hey. Your, your basis is are covered, but you're probably not going to use that as a weight loss hammer, unless training up a lot, which can happen. And then, then it's becoming, what can we manage in terms of the most amount of. I guess, low recovery ability stuff. Is it the second it starts affecting your training? That's when we pull back or increase food. And so if the main thing we're trying to push is the training, you obviously need a certain amount of allocation of resources and recovery for that. Try to bring up steps enough to move the needle, but not enough to, to kind of fuck up your training and then feeding up to that and how you kind of increase capacity would be obviously getting better over time or slowly like If we can bring calories up as a recovery tool, assuming they're sleeping, um, they're relaxing there, whatever, whatever recovery modality sauna, whatever the flock works with them, you dipping into that well, as much as we can, but also realizing that food in a deficit is another stress. And so trying to figure out the lowest amount of deficit we can to lose weight. And then can they keep doing it? But that's a question that ends up becoming, who knows a lot of it's based on workout frequency. And gold, and then how much steps we can bring up and then food. So using food as the last hammer is kind of how I do it. Um, as opposed to the first one, which if it's the first one and the hardest one, neat drops and performance drops. So it's like, now we're not even using the tool that we like to do. And we're getting shittier at it because we're eating less. It works, but it's not usually the, the, they don't look the way they want to look in most cases. Yeah.
Ryan Patrick:I don't think most people realize how much of an effect neat has. I know when I was back in the day, 20 years ago now, probably, um, I did bodybuilding and those last phases, I mean, I'm a pretty, like I'm always fidgeting or rocking or just even doing stuff like that when I'm sitting around, but I would be so idle like the last four weeks. It's because. Calories were low. I was exhausted. Training was really high. Like, I mean, you could, I could feel it. Just the, the dog was like whining at me now.
Dean Guedo:I was like, is that my dog?
Ryan Patrick:I'll cut this out. Ruby, go away. How do you keep it in? It's a real, we have, we have four dogs, four dogs. I might keep it in. Yeah. Um, but anyway, it was, um, yeah, man, I just like, it's a fatigue I can't describe where I would just. Just sit there and like I didn't even have enough capacity to think like I was Well, and
Dean Guedo:that's the main like, so you think about a deep cut with bodybuilding, a lot of the adaptations that your body's trying to preserve, they're going to just down regulate meat. And I find that that happens, whether by on purpose or not, the second they start to get to or running or whatever,
Ryan Patrick:like
Dean Guedo:that down regulation, because they're like, I worked hard 10 cities up, they get that adaptation through just doing. Nothing. And then you stack on the fact that their job's inactive, and that they watch Netflix or whatever. It's like, you almost have to turn that switch on. Obviously, bodybuilding, they'll use cardio, because it's like, it's a hard way around that. Yeah. You just like. You just become a shell of yourself, but then there's still an argument for driving high flux as much as possible, even with bodybuilding. I did a podcast with Paul and he utilizes it because of that same thing is like, it's a performance thing. It's a psychological thing. When just the second food stops getting lower or starts getting a little over half the threshold for everyone, whatever that is, it's like stuff starts sucking in crazy. What your body will do even unconsciously. If you were to, like, film yourself, you'd probably look like someone who was sick and dying because you kind of are to some degree.
Ryan Patrick:It's, it's not far off. And, um, gosh, you know, I had one girl that I prepped for a figure contest. We used a high flux strategy with her. I'm like, there's no, like, I see some of these figure diets, you know, it's. seven plus hours a week of cardio, plus 3 to 5 strength training sessions at 900 to 1200 calories a day. I'm like, there's just, there's no nutrition like you could eat from a field of kale that has been sung to by angels and it wouldn't be enough nutrients. You know what I mean? Like you, you just can't get enough nutrition and to function. And so we did a high flux approach and she felt great and she was shredded and it was way easier.
Dean Guedo:Well, that's kind of where this thing started. This one degree, like it happened with a presentation for Ben's at Ben's place. I had to do like one anyways, I was researching the project, but a lot of it stemmed from what James Krieger did with, um, Eric Salazar, but they just utilize. So he's a bodybuilder. He crushes, honestly, he's like in the one thirties, but whatever, just. Fucking jack, but he utilized high flux from a capacity of also utilizing, um, like the gravistat, which is just essentially adding an external weight via load of like a vest or whatever, but he never really dropped calories past a certain point. So let's just say he, he kept it at like 2, 200 calories and the lowest he got was like. I want to say 1800 at his weight is insane, but he used external weight to drop, basically drop the weight, um, through fat mass. Like there's a whole thing on graph that I'm not going to go into it, but, um, he replaced it. So basically high fluxes you can get plus utilizing that is that his calories stayed up. And although he's still on a deficit and he's still fatigued to some effect, the psychological aspect wasn't there and there was still food incoming. So it's like, for whatever reason, a lot of those processes that keep you feeling good, stayed good. And so you can have the same results, if anything, he had better results because he was able to train. I think that that's something that you lose a lot of times in those deep cuts is like your training suffers and there's lots of cardio. And it's not that there isn't cardio with steps, but it's like a weird psychological drain when you're on a treadmill staring at nothing as opposed to just existing in the world. And I think that there's a big carryover for that. And a lot of it's mental. There's the numbers, but the mental thing goes a long way.
Ryan Patrick:Absolutely, man. We covered, we covered a lot of ground today, kind of all over the place.
Dean Guedo:Yeah. It's cause we were just like, yeah, let's do this thing.
Ryan Patrick:Let's just swing it. No, it was great though. Um, I want to be respectful of your time, man. So, um, hopefully we can continue the conversation at another point. I know we'll be chatting on Instagram and everything else. So where can, uh, where can people find out more about you?
Dean Guedo:Yeah. So my website is, is get fluxed. So G T. F L U X dots or ed. ca. So get fluxed. Um, the main spot though, is going to be walked up more docking on Instagram. Um, I'm not going to,
Ryan Patrick:for those listening, even on a treadmill, this whole
Dean Guedo:treadmill, but like, I wouldn't say I'm the best Walker in the world, but it's kind of like, it's my humorous attempt at. Everything I hate about the fitness industry, I'm just going to
Ryan Patrick:be
Dean Guedo:the opposite. And so I'm, I don't know if I'm a troll so to speak, but I find it ironic. And so the name probably isn't as funny as people think, but I like it. So and it's stuck. So like, I mean, I can't undo it now because I have no idea what I would. Put my Instagram name as Instagram is. I try to horrible. I try to
Ryan Patrick:tell people outside of the fitness industry or people outside of Jiujitsu that we need beef in the fitness industry like they have in Jiujitsu. Those guys know how to beef, like Yeah. We kind of go, we go backdoor at it with like little quips about a TG or a lot of the, the sprint guys will kind of dog on each other. But no, I mean. No one goes hard in the paint like the Jets guys.
Dean Guedo:Well, that's why I kind of like having both. It's cause like, like, and I always liked being big for that simple fact. Cause I came into the fitness industry with an elite total. And so I go and I'm like, I'm going to be a trainer. Now I'm going to quit teaching, be a trainer. And I was like, man, I'm stronger than everyone. And I'm not even that strong in the world. We're talking about like, this is crazy. So like we're in a fitness industry and no one's in shape. Anyways, that's a whole different thing, but they all have very strong opinions that don't work for the most part. There's that. And the strength and conditioning world is probably very similar. So
Ryan Patrick:we're opening a whole nother can of worms that we end
Dean Guedo:on that. So that everyone can figure out whatever they want from there.
Ryan Patrick:That's a teaser. Well, man, just hang on the line for just a second until this uploads. And then. Um, I appreciate you and I'll make sure we get some links to your content,
Dean Guedo:man. It was, uh, it was good. I'm glad we did that. It's funny because like, we talked about all this stuff to some degree, but I don't like, I didn't want to get too much into the training thing because it's just like, I don't know at this point, like, it's not that I don't like training, but I've seen like all the models and it's like, I don't even know if everyone knows what they're doing at this point to like, in a good way, like it's kind of all works and it all doesn't. Yeah,
Ryan Patrick:I'm not even going to touch that one.
Dean Guedo:I love Bill's stuff before I go. I was the guy, so I didn't want to say this because I actually love the program for people who are going to do it, but they were like, yeah, you literally, if you're the person who's like, I'm not going to give up my thing to like get out of the pain triggers. I was like, fuck, like I'm not like, and I just couldn't. Cause I was like, well, like I'm trying to get rid of knee pain, but I can't just stop jujitsu. Like you have to stop. And I'm like, Well, like fuck I'll take a little bit of knee pain then because I'm like I only have so many years like I know It's not gonna get better. Like it might take a year to get better. I'm like, yeah, like
Ryan Patrick:mm hmm
Dean Guedo:I can't I just don't have the time which is like it's not that your thing doesn't work It's just like it doesn't work. I'm not gonna do it. So like is there a solution like no, there's no other solution It's like, wow, I'm going to find one and I still might not, but
Ryan Patrick:I'll deal with it. It's fine. It's worth it. I'll say right below the threshold and just ride that until I feel like I need to deal with it. I might change. Maybe never.
Dean Guedo:Yeah. Like, I actually started doing, um, like low key. I'm doing like range of strength. Um, the Canadian guy that does all the,
Ryan Patrick:um, yeah.
Dean Guedo:And I actually have felt such relief doing his stuff. And I would say his is like, would be the equivalent of trying to compression your way out of stuff, but it's actually like lifting with range of motion stuff. And I feel fucking. 10 times better, but it's like, I'm four months in and I still have probably three years to go before I reach any of the standards. And it's like, I don't know. It's, it's been good anyway.
Ryan Patrick:Whatever, man. If it works, like do it. I think.
Dean Guedo:Well, that's what I mean. You can't say something that works. I'm basically like a broken down, tried everything. Like at this point, I don't even know what I'm undoing. I just need to like, it's like, there is no one solution. We're all kind of fuck now.
Ryan Patrick:There's yeah. And a lot of the stuff people choose, it's, it's the same stuff. It's just the way we describe it as different. But it's the same stuff.
Dean Guedo:For instance, I did Pat's model. I was like, yeah, fucking, this is the model. And then they, they changed everything. Like, and then you kind of go down the PRI rabbit hole and they're like, well, yeah, you got to start with the cranium. I'm like, yeah, but you didn't fucking say that. You said the primaries. I'm like, yeah, but it doesn't work unless you do this. I'm like, yeah, but you don't tell us that till after three courses. So fuck you, motherfuckers.
Ryan Patrick:Yeah. You're telling me now that I should have got braces. A year ago, this is not helpful
Dean Guedo:and they changed it. They're like, yeah, but if you are this thing, this is like Bill kind of combated them with all this. And I'm just like, man, they can't even figure it out amongst themselves. I, I just, yeah,
Ryan Patrick:I'm sure they're on the, they're on the something, but there's like this little pocket of dissent that I think is probably more confusing to everybody because
Dean Guedo:of it. And so it's like, well, fuck I invested like three years in this. And like it didn't work and then you're telling me it wouldn't have worked anyways. So I was like, well, then why did I do it?
Ryan Patrick:I feel like every trainer gets into that PRI rabbit hole. I think a lot of it, honestly, like I feel like our job, I mean, as a trainer, nutrition, I think it can be way more challenging because of the mental and emotional side with that. But training is pretty fucking easy. It really is. And people don't want to hear that. Yeah. I think a lot of A lot of it is we want to stay intellectually stimulated. And so we find our way into all this shit. And then we ended up forgetting like, training's not that hard.
Dean Guedo:So like, that's, I can't like say that out loud, but that's part of the reason why I quit. I was like, I'm just using like my brain to like learn all this shit and try to fix something that like, I'm just going to quit and just see what happens. And you know what happened? Nothing. I was like, fuck, like I have, you, you probably all have the same course. I fucking 20, 000 in rehab and DNS and PRI. And I haven't used any of it. Cause it's just like, yeah, you just like do whatever feels good, man. Yeah.
Ryan Patrick:I mean, I like. I just feel shameful like thinking when I, you know, the first, the first big one for guys our age is probably like the functional movement screen and like I cringe thinking like I had people overweight like rolling around on the floor like the fuck was I doing? Yeah, man. Remind somebody to be like, come on, you dumb motherfucker. Look at what you're doing. Like, just go outside and push a sled for an hour. Like, it's way more useful than what you're doing.
Dean Guedo:Right. And then it's like, but even now, and so like Pat had a post recently about like the farmer's cares. I'm like, man, I get where you're going, but like, man, again, you're more fucked up than everyone too. I know he is. So it's like, it's like, man, maybe they should just do that. Cause it's like, they feel good. And like, so it's like, man, I
Ryan Patrick:love, I
Dean Guedo:love Pat. He's always down to stir some shit up. Oh man, it's the best. Like that's what the, the best I remember he was like teaching his course or whatever, and he is like, yeah, I don't even do any of this shit. He's like, what I need to do is make enough money where I could pay a trainer to make me do that. And I'm like, well, you're not gonna listen to him anyways. He like, I know. So like, man, he is the best.