Your Youth Athlete is NOT Elite w/ Jeremy Frisch Ep 52

Every parent wants their kid to succeed, but the hard truth is this: there are no elite 10-year-olds. In this episode, I sit down with Jeremy Frisch, one of the most respected voices in youth athletic development, to talk about early specialization, missing foundations, and how to actually set kids up for long-term success.

We cover everything from tummy time and crawling, to why year-round sports are burning kids out, to the creative ways Jeremy designs training that looks like play but builds athletic monsters. Whether you’re a parent, coach, or athlete, this conversation will change how you see youth sports.

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Chapters

• 1:00 Jeremy’s journey into strength & conditioning
• 3:00 Dinosaur Training, T-Nation, and early influences
• 7:00 From D1 strength coach to kids’ athletic development
• 10:15 The foundation problem: tummy time, crawling & feet
• 16:30 The vortex of year-round sports & early specialization
• 21:00 The hidden costs of chasing metrics at age 10
• 28:00 Convincing parents: short-term vs. long-term development
• 34:00 Physical → Technical → Tactical: the missing order
• 38:30 Building athleticism through play & creativity
• 44:30 Crash mats, ramps & pool noodles as training tools
• 48:00 Gamification: helping shy or less-skilled kids thrive
• 52:00 Leadership, confidence & the role of the “alpha” kid
• 56:00 How Jeremy keeps kids engaged for the long haul
• 1:02:00 Advice for parents & coaches: patience over panic

Transcript

Jeremy Frisch: 0:00

But you, for people don't realize, like at the, at the young ages, you want to expose'em to everything.

Ryan Patrick: 0:06

Yep.

Jeremy Frisch: 0:08

So they have a huge foundation to build upon with special like specializations about achieving the best results as an adult, not achieving the best results as a child.

M-2-peakfast: 0:21

Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm. Mhm.

Ryan Patrick: 0:32

Back to the Athletic Performance Podcast. I'm your host, Ryan Patrick. Today I have Jeremy Frisch. I am extremely honored to have you on this podcast. I love your content, I love everything you do. And for those who are not familiar with you, um, let's rewind the tape a little bit. So just tell me, um, about your journey into strength and conditioning, first of all, and then ultimately kind of what, what twisted you towards this athletic and, and youth athletic development route?

Jeremy Frisch: 0:59

Yeah, so I think for me, my journey started when I was a kid. I, you know, I, I wasn't, I wasn't a, a super academic kid, so, uh, the things like sports and, you know, phys ed and all those type of things really was the highlight of my day in school. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, so, um, you know, when I, when I got a little bit older into middle school and high school, you know, that led into playing sports. Uh, you know, I played football and basketball, all the big ones. And, uh, was always fairly, um, you know, could run well. I was a fairly coordinated kid. I was a, I'm the youngest of five boys, so I sort of had to survive when I was growing up. Um, you know, and in high school I, you know, things sort of worked out for me as, as far as like athletics, uh, you know, I really sort of gravitated to it, gravitated toward those things. Uh, much, much less than like, uh, math and science and English. Um, and so then I got an opportunity to play, you know, college football and, and, and I did that and I realized, you know, playing college football was a little bit more, you know, you needed a little bit more dedication, you needed a little bit, put a little bit more time in. Uh mm-hmm. So if I kind of wanted to play more and, and, and get an opportunity to. To do well. So that's where I sort of fell into, um, you know, strengthening conditioning, started lifting weights and doing speed work. Yeah. And when I played, there wasn't anything out there. I mean, the internet was sort of just starting, right? So you didn't have like this access to, um, you know, younger people probably can't even like wrap their brain around this, right? But like right there, there, there wasn't even any info out there to figure out how to become a better athlete, right? Mm-hmm. So, you know, I first started reading like Muscle and Fitness and Joe Weeder and that stuff, and then, yep. I started like looking in the back of those. Those books, those magazines, and they, and, and you find like people selling books that you've never heard of. And one of the books that I, I sort of ran into was this book called Dinosaur Training by this guy named Brooks Cubic. Oh my gosh. He's not even a, not even a, uh, he wasn't even a strength and conditioning coach. He was like a lawyer who loved power lifting. Um, and he wrote this great book called Dinosaur Training and I, and i, I scribbled it down in the back of an Ironman magazine and I, you know, sent my check in the mail to him and he got it, my check and he sent the book to me. And that's how it worked back then, right? Yeah. Um, and, and a book. I still read it to this day'cause it's really inspirational book. But you know, it just, it's sort of getting me started on like basic strength training. You know, things like pushing and pulling and squatting and lunging and just like how to set up a basic program and the importance of lifting heavy weights and things like that. And that really sort of got me. And then eventually as I got through a couple more years in college, I realized like, oh, this thing could be like a, this could be a career. Like you can be, you can actually, you can actually become a strength and conditioning coach. Um, I still remember, I think it was Muscle Media 2000. This is like, sort of like Bodybuilding magazine, but I sort of would touch on performance type stuff. And that magazine actually turned into T Nation on online. But, but anyways, yes, that's where I first saw Charles Poll, like our article by Charles Quin. And it was like, oh yeah, you know, and it was like, oh, this is a, he's a strength and conditioning coach. And I was like, oh man, this is like, so that's kind of how my journey started as far as like, I, I really wanted to be. I wanted to go to the NFL, I wanted to be an NFL strength coach, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Um, and then I kind of worked my way up, did a internship at Stanford. Uh, and then I eventually became like, um, I worked at a few private facilities, but I eventually became a strength ing coach at, uh, at Holy Cross, which is like a division one school. And it's funny, when I, when I, when I got there, I started having kids and uh, I started reading about phys phys ed and child development. And the moment I got to like that division one level, I was like, I don't wanna do this anymore. I wanna work with kids. Um, and so I, I left there and I opened up my own facility and, and, uh, pretty much been doing that ever since. So probably, oh, let's see, we're getting close to like almost 20 years now, doing, doing it on my own.

Ryan Patrick: 5:12

That's insane, man. There's so, there's so much here. So, uh, my, I did not have dinosaur training. My go-to was Arnold's, encyclopedia of Bodybuilding. Great book. Great book. Yes. So, you know, you, you open the, the front and it's the, the history and all the different bodybuilders and it's like, we would do like a quick, quick prayer, like these are, yeah. These are like the gods that we're praying to. And then we go back to the training plans. It was like our motivation first. It's the, and uh, it's, and,

Jeremy Frisch: 5:37

and, and like if you look in there, like what they, like some of his guy, like Gregg Park was his, one of his guys. Like, loved and like, you know, Franco Club, like these dudes are strong and athletic. You know, so Yeah, for sure. That's a big point. Yeah, they were like

Ryan Patrick: 5:51

giant guys, sprinting, like, you don't see that anymore. Yeah, a hundred percent. And then I do love to brag on this, and I wish I still had it, but I had the last print edition of T Nation, so, uh, Supreme Fitness 2000. 2000, 2001, I was doing one handed barbell scratches. Yeah. Yeah. Because it, it

Jeremy Frisch: 6:12

was in there. Um,

Ryan Patrick: 6:13

yeah,

Jeremy Frisch: 6:13

great. It was a great mag. The magazine was awesome. It was cutting edge at the time, and there was a really great, great info, and obviously it went like online and you could get Yeah. Access to that stuff. I wrote for those guys for a long time too. I got, I probably have like, uh, nine or 10 articles I wrote on there, uh, years, years ago. Oh man. Um, and, and uh, it was, it was awesome. It was like one of those, one of those like, uh, you know, if you're into, if you were really into training and not like, just like bodybuilding, but you know, you were like in the, into the performance side, like that was a great resource to to, to go to that back then. You know what I mean?

Ryan Patrick: 6:47

Absolutely. They had a dream team of guys writing for them. But, you know, one of, one of the most thing interesting things that I kind of wanna dive into is, uh, a lot of times when I see like football guys, like they're always football guys, right? Yeah. So there's a certain culture around football and how we train, like what really? You know, obviously you had kids and you're reading about that, but like, what, what allowed you to make that shift?'cause I would say a lot of what we see on your, on your training page and what you post is kind of the antithesis of what most people think about when they're like thinking about football training.

Jeremy Frisch: 7:18

Yeah. So, so basically, you know, I was training a lot of higher level athletes and then I started having kids and then, um, you know, I just wanted to make sure that my children had act like was, were gonna be exposed. Like, I also, as a parent and I knew they would eventually get into sports and things like that, I just wanted to make sure I like, was doing the right thing that I, you know, that I expose them to enough movement in their life and, and, and, and uh, you know, obviously in the back of my mind as their pa as their dad, like I want them to be great athletes, but at the same time for them, like, I just want them, I wanted them to be coordinated and good movers and, and be healthy and things like that. Mm-hmm. And that's really is where what I started reading it and then. Another thing that happened when I was at, when I finally got to, to, to, to coach to be a col collegiate strength coach. Yeah. There was a lot of kids coming in that were unprepared for that level, that that level of, of, uh, of competition and, and, you know, divisional level. And I felt like I didn't have enough time. Mm-hmm. And at this, I didn't have one, I didn't have enough time, and two, I couldn't go back in time to fix some of the deficiencies they had. So that's when I really started like working my way backwards. And I was like, oh, well they should have been doing this when they were like 15 or 14 or 13, and oh, they should have been doing this when they were 10. And I started digging in even more and realized like, oh. You know, there's a lot of, like, there's a lot of overspecialization going on, and I didn't have any of that when I was a kid. You know, we played mm-hmm. Lots of sports. We played outside and like when the seasons changed, like you changed with it and it, there was never like any of that type of stuff. And I realized like as the more and more athletes I started working with, like, oh, this kid plays baseball year round. This kid plays soccer year round. So that's how I started making the shift was just, just like realizing that some of the kids I was working with, there was nothing, it wasn't, I couldn't help them. Obviously you could make them stronger and faster, but yeah, they weren't, they were never gonna be as efficient as they could be, as if they had a, like a better foundation when they were, when they were younger. So that's, that's kind of how I did it. And so I started working the, from the ground up with my kids and then at the same time working my way back with the people I was working with. And then I realized like if I had my own facility, I can work with. All ages, you know, I can do it all. Um, and so for me, it started turning into like, all right, well, um, I really want to, my focus, obviously I still train high school, college athletes. Mm-hmm. Um, but my focus, I want everyone to know that, like where I'm coming from is like, I'm, I want people to know that the foundation happens, you know, from age five to, you know, to 14 or 15. You know what I mean? So that's kind of how I, where you, where you see a lot of my, uh, social media stuff. That's why I'm Yep. I'm so focused on that time, that age range.

Ryan Patrick: 10:08

No, I love that because it, it's wild to me hearing you talk about this.'cause I'm assuming, you know, you've had your facility 15, 20 years, so this is probably 15, 20 years ago in time. You're identifying these deficiencies in athletes and I feel like it's only gotten worse. Yeah. Like, I don't know that we're doing a much better job, so. Uh, this is a huge question. Yep. Jar, and sorry for that. But like, the biggest gap that you see in American youth and how they're developed athletically is, yep. Are we just talking, is it just physical literacy, movement, variety, uh, strength, something else? Like what is, what is this gap? What is contributing to this? Alright.

Jeremy Frisch: 10:48

This'll be a deep dive'cause we can start. Let's go. We can, we can literally start day one, right? I mean, you bring an, you can, you bring an infant home, you bring an infant home, and the, you know, one of the first things that they should be doing, your parents should be doing, it's putting their baby on their belly when they're awake mm-hmm. To get tummy time. Because like literally you just came out of a, you just came out, right? You, you were in this like sort of environment of, of uh, of like, um, you know, you're in the womb and gravity's not really working against you, and then mm-hmm.

Ryan Patrick: 11:21

You

Jeremy Frisch: 11:21

come out and now. The ba it's all, you know, the infants all, you know, they have no strength. They have no, you know, they're just moving on primitive reflexes. And so the best thing you can do for them is to put them on their belly. So they start to like gravity, basically strength training for an infant. Gravity works against them, and they learn to lift their head. They learn to push themselves up. They learn, eventually learn to roll over. They do, you know what I mean? And there's a, there was like, there's, there's not enough of that pushed to parents or parents don't know about it. Um, and so what happens is, is like a lot of the, the infants end up sleeping on their back and they never get, they get, ever get an opportunity to like kind of learn how to move on their own. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. So sometimes what happens is you get kids that are missing, um, what do you call it? What's the word? Uh, milestones. Yeah. You know, they, they, they go right from like being on the floor to figure it out.'cause they, you know, kids get put in walkers, kids get put in like the swings and all these artificial environments where if you just put them on the floor, they're gonna learn how to move. Um, they're gonna learn how to move on their own, you know what I mean? You're just gonna let them work against Gravity and they're gonna lift their head and reach and kick their leg. And eventually it'll roll over and eventually they'll crawl and eventually, or they'll creep and then they'll crawl and then they'll pull themselves up. So there's like a natural progression that the babies have if you just give them an opportunity. And I'm, I'm, and I'm, I'm, listen, I'm gonna tell you right now as a parent, like my first, my first, our first one, like I had, I didn't know any of that stuff. Right. You know what I mean? And so I went out and learned it because IWI realized, like, I remember the doctor was like, oh, if he doesn't hit this milestone soon, like you may have to send him somewhere to get like OT or pt when he was like, just an infant. So I was like, this is, this is bullshit because like, this is what I do for a living. So I started digging in and read him like everything I could find. And it's like, yeah. Need access to the floor, to the floor to be able to learn how to move. Right. So I, I read this great book by this guy named Ian Hunter. He was, he was a, uh, he was a, I think he was a physio, maybe he was a doctor, but he worked with a lot of like, um, uh, patients that had strokes. And he goes into like just the, uh, kind of development of a child. And he was one of the best lines is like, the floor is the child's neurological workshop. I was like, dang, that is, that is deep. But it's true. Mm-hmm. That's where they learn how to move, you know what I mean? So, I mean, even from the get go, you can, if kids don't crawl, kids don't work on pushing themselves up. They're, they're lacking strength, they're lacking range of motion. You know, when you crawl, uh, especially when you creep, when you, like, when a belly baby does like the belly crawl, they push off their big toe that develops range of motion in their ankles and calves and things like that. And so there's things that sometimes kids miss. Um, and it's not like, not everyone, it doesn't happen to everyone. And you know, they may miss a, a, uh, a milestone and still be totally fine, right? But yeah, from there, you know, you put'em in these big shoes, you know, baby Jordans. Baby Jordans, right? And then like for a while though, they're younger, right? Three, four, they move around a lot during the day. Like you can't stop those kids from moving around. And then what happens at each five? Mm-hmm. Boom, you're in kindergarten. You know, you're sitting all day now, like a lot of kindergartens are full day and they really don't give them as much time to move as they should. You know what I mean? A kindergarten classroom's not set up with a five-year-old's sort of physical ability and where they are, uh, in mind. Right. Um, so that's when the, that downward slope starts happening. They spend way too much time in school, not an SA, not enough access to physical, uh, physical activity while they're in school, like phy ed and recess. Um, and then, you know, sometimes even after, after school, kids get handed a phone or they play PlayStation or, you know, they're not, parents are scared to let their kids outside to go play'cause they, you know, mm-hmm. They think something bad might happen. There's just so many things that go into that, but I think all those issues are popping up and it's affecting sort of the movement quality that kids generations ago. Didn't have Right. They didn't have any issues like with those same issues because there was so much more opportunity to move during those childhood, um, you know, childhood years. So I just think their kids are so limited. Um, and, and I tell one of the first things I look at when a kid comes in is I look at their feet. I'm like, take your shoes off, take your socks off. And they look at me like, mm-hmm. This, this guy's crazy. And, you know, flat feet. And it just, it doesn't matter how strong they are, they can't stand on one foot because their foot, their, their foot won't let them. Yeah. They're just, you know, just collapses and they fall over. Do it again. Oh, yeah. Oh, I, I get no balance. I'm like, you don't have any balance because you know, your feet are just a mess. You've never learned how to use them. They're not strong. You've never, you know, you've never climbed and crawled and, you know, did all these things that you should be doing to develop those, the strength in your feet. You know what I mean?

Ryan Patrick: 16:26

How you supposed to be fast on those biscuits. Yeah.

Jeremy Frisch: 16:31

Yep. Okay. So it's, so, I,

Ryan Patrick: 16:32

I think that's, sorry to cut you off here, but one of the big, big things that I think you're highlighting is, is just a lack of exposure to, uh, a variety of stimuli, right? Not enough tummy time, uh, not enough exposure with your feet, interacting with the ground of your body, interacting with space. Yep. So does this, do you see this continuing? I want you to kind of stay on this path. Um, yeah. Like how does this continue to evolve till they come into your facility?

Jeremy Frisch: 16:59

Well, then what's the next step like. We're gonna get'em into sports and we're gonna sign up for soccer. And my club soccer coach said I was awesome. So we're gonna play club soccer year round. Mm-hmm. Or, you know, they get'em into like a bass baseball. Right. They, and, and listen, I, and I, so I can I, I'll tell you a story if this, but'cause as a parent, because like, I'm gonna, I wanna tell you too, from the parent side Yeah. But like all you get him in, you get him into baseball, right. And then, uh, so my son plays baseball in the spring and he has a great season,

Ryan Patrick: 17:32

you know,

Jeremy Frisch: 17:32

and we're like, alright, so this is awesome. Like, let's play summer ball. Oh, summer ball went great. We lost in the championship. If we just had another week, we would, we would play, you know, we, we'd still be playing. It'd be great, but, you know, since it was so awesome, we're gonna sign him up for fall ball. Right. Right. And that, but this is how it happens. Like, and, and like, oh, fall ball. Like, oh, he, he, he, you know, he's doing so good. Like, let's get him in lessons and we'll do lessons all winter.

Ryan Patrick: 18:00

Yeah.

Jeremy Frisch: 18:01

And then before you know, it literally years go by. Mm-hmm. What you're doing is playing baseball, you know what I mean? Or soccer or, or au basketball. Like, this is how this as a, like, people talk about early specialization, but, and I'm, and I'm giving you like stories.'cause because I, you know, I'm a parent of four kids. I seen it, I've seen it happen. I train a lot of athletes too. Like, that's how, that's how it happens. Like, you, you just like think like, oh, if he could just do a little more, a little more, a little more, he's gonna be that much better. But you, for people don't realize, like at the, at the young ages, you want to expose'em to everything.

Ryan Patrick: 18:35

Yep.

Jeremy Frisch: 18:37

So they have a huge foundation to build upon with special like specializations about achieving the best results as an adult, not achieving the best results as a child. You know what I mean? Like, I got, my youngest is a quarterback, right. And I keep telling him every week, like, dude, I don't care if you threw three picks, you know, he's 12. Like. I would be nerv more nervous if you were dominating everyone right now. Because like I know that there's a chance that when everyone else gets older and catches up, you might not be as good as you. You know what I mean? Right. Like, I love that you're here and Yeah, you're making mistakes and you're figuring it out. And we're training your, you're tr we're training your ability to, you know what I mean? And, and also like when the season's over, like, we're not gonna go do seven on seven, we're gonna go play basketball because I know basketball is gonna be great. Dribbling and agility and, and the conditioning that you do when you play hoops, like that's all gonna culminate. So you're a really good quarterback if you choose. Right. You might choose to be a point guard when you're 17 or 18, or, you know, play center field, whatever it is. We're gonna give you all the tools right now to build those things up to become really good later on. And we don't care what's happening right now. So, so I think, yeah, there's a, the early specializations a huge. Huge thing. Huge, huge thing. And then you'll gonna see soon waiting in the wings, you can probably see it now on the social media. There's this'cause right training, like we train athletes, there's sort of this, um, this new thing coming on the horizon where young athletes are training like, um, adults. Yep. And, and we're, we're almost, uh, what's the word? Early intensification. You're gonna start to see that start to rise, right? Because parents are gonna get wind of like, oh, we can send our kid and do all this extra training. And, and, and if, you know, if my 10-year-old football player, you know, trains like Tom Brady does or whatever, whoever it is, right? The star right now, then he's gonna be exactly like that again. And now doing all this intensive stuff. One, you could lean the burnout of the kid. The kid's gonna be like, this is just, I'm not ready for this and it's too much. Or two, you sort of like, you peak too early. Yeah. You know what I mean? You peak too early and, and it's like, because you did all this intensive training early on, when it, that stuff should have been later layered in when they're like just becoming like later teen, teenage years or so on, you know? So on. So that's another kind of thing on the horizon you'll start to see is the early intensification with those two. Yeah. I feel like, you know, it's bad. Go ahead.

Ryan Patrick: 21:22

Um, I feel like the Little League World Series should kind of like tipped us off to this because a lot of those elite 11-year-old pitchers, like, where are they in the pros, right? Like, they're not, a lot of them are not making it. Yep, yep, yep. Um, there's a couple, couple directions we can bounce off of this. So, um, yep. The one I wanna start though is right where we left off is, you know, I get. I get inquiries all the time of, you know, my nine year old's lost a step. I'm like, what are you talking about? Like, yeah, your nine year old's like losing a step. Like, what do you mean? You know, like maybe one kid like hit early puberty or something. But you know, we're, we're so obsessed with the numbers and the metrics. Right. So I want to talk like, what do you, what do you think this cost is going to be of chasing metrics for like a 10-year-old versus actually building a foundation that's gonna serve these athletes at, at 18? And I think, you know, just a riff before I kind of cut you loose with this. Like, uh, I talked to, to somebody, um, a couple weeks ago on the podcast, Hank crying off, so he's old sprint coach, but he said something, you know, he is tons of great information. But the one thing he said that just like has been in my mind is he talked about working with one of his sprinters. He's like, I started working with her at 16 and you know, she was so young, we didn't really know what her potential was. And my first thought was like, my God, like if you're in the United States Yeah. And you are not looking D one ready by 16, you're toast. Sure. Like you're overlooked. Yep. Just the thought of having that, that like broad of a lens when it comes to athletic development was just so, uh, I was jealous kind of. Right. Because we're so grinding. But again, like, you know, what do you think it we're gonna run into with this early 10 intensification of, you know, 10 year olds in metrics and training, like the pros. What do we, what do we leave in on the table that they're not gonna be able to really accomplish?

Jeremy Frisch: 23:20

Well, like I said, so one of the things is like. The kid needs to like, have the, like the, the intrinsic motivation to want to even be there. Right? Absolutely. And so a lot of times, and sometimes it's not that kid that the kid's getting pushed into it from the parents or the, or the club or whoever he is played playing for. Mm-hmm. So that's eventually gonna fizzle out, right? When we talk about burnout, that's, that's one thing. Second, the thing we just talked about was the, like, you know, um, the, well to go along with that at age 10, even 11, 12, like the training that they're doing should be extremely enjoyable. Mm-hmm. Right? They should, the stuff that they're doing should be fun in, in the name of fun, right? So the stuck. So they like, so when they do, so what happens is this, they enjoy training, they like to come, they like to go do those things, right? And then eventually they mature a little bit. And they'll under like, because they liked how they felt when they were moving and doing those things. They can, they make the shift. Towards more organized training. Right. Because they know, but they were exposed to it when they were this age, and it was fun. And then we slowly made that shift into those like teenage years where things got more organized and like, but we didn't, it was, it wasn't like, you're gonna go do this and you're gonna be super specialized or super, you know, this intense like sort of training program that all these older kids are doing. It's not how you do it. It's, it's like this slow shift from fun and, and like, uh, fundamentals to more organized and, and more intensive. Right? Um, and that's how you get kids to, to continue on and, and to do those things because, well one, when they did it, when, when they, when they were young and they, we, the training that we did was fun and they saw results. Like they sort of got better at their sport and, and, uh, you know, they felt how they liked, how they felt when they moved and all these things like you, they, they take that with them into their. Right into their, uh, into their teenage years. If all they think about was how hard stuff was when they were younger, right? When they were 11, 10, 11, oh, we did this like intensive training and it was the hardest thing in the world, you know, I didn't want to even be there. That's when you end up, you end up burning out. And finally, like, the other thing is, is like you get kids doing like these heavy lifts and like super intense training. Like how's their body gonna be when they're like 18, 19, 20? Like having, like having done like high, high intensity lifts and you know, all these like different types of play metrics and things like that. Like, I don't know. I know that when I got done with college football and I kept training for like, a few years after, like my body, like, like training helps you, like intensive training obviously improves your performance, but at the same time it slowly beats up your body. Uh, you know, as much as I love strength and conditioning, there's like, if you train at a certain intensity and, and train hard all the time, you're gonna break down. Even though there's a point, there's a point where your performance improves, but there's this slow kind of wearing away of other parts. You know, my knees feel that now as a, as a 49-year-old, you know what I mean? So anyways, like yeah. When I think, I think when you, when there's this intensive training early on, the, those, the injuries or the, you know, the things that come along with intensive training kind of rear their head earlier. You know what I mean? You don't, that's why I think like intensive training should really start like late high school and into college. Mm-hmm. So you get the benefit of, of that performance training through those important years. And then you can figure out what you wanna do after, after you're done playing. Uh, whether, you know, if you go pro great, but most kids don't go pro. Then you figure out what you wanna do, um, you know, later on. So yeah, I think there's a really, there's a lot of downside to to early intensification. Um, and, and, and I drives me crazy when I see, when I see it, when I see it, and kids not. Not having fun in their training on, on in those early years, because I know that they're not gonna stick with it if they're not, if they're not enjoying it. Um, when they're younger,

Ryan Patrick: 27:27

you're, you're gonna be the guy actually handing out math books now, man. Right? No, I know. Uh, um, so I love what you're saying. I'm, I'm nodding my head. I'm in agreement. I feel like every professional, uh, instinctively in, in our field understands, you know, the consequences of early specialization. Um, the risk of the burnout, the, you know, potential damage that we're doing just by having more wear and tear on these young athletes. But we're up against, or at least you're kind of the villain in this scenario of these parents who are hearing the coach in their ear of how great their 10 and 11-year-old is at sport. And you know, the need, or they hear that, Hey, little Johnny is getting hitting lessons. We don't want our son to get behind. So yeah. What is the, I mean, now you're well established, but early on, and there's probably still parents that you, you maybe have to have these conversations with. How are you, uh, getting people to come to the dark side, so to speak, and really appreciating, um, the runway that you're developing versus just getting the best results as a 10-year-old now? Sure.

Jeremy Frisch: 28:42

So it took, it takes, I've been, I've been on this platform for a long time. Yeah. But it, it took, it took a while. One, I think. Um, you know, having a few years of working with young athletes and then come up through the ranks and see their success.

Ryan Patrick: 28:57

Mm-hmm. You know what I

Jeremy Frisch: 28:57

mean? So, I mean, it's not a huge, it's not a huge, um, population, but like, even in our, our hometown, I feel like we've had a really good run of like high school sports and we've had a really good run of, of kids going to college, and I know a lot of those kids. A lot of those kids were lucky enough to start early and do a lot of like early training, like, uh, you know, sort of our speed demons program and, you know, yep. Our, our program where we like really focused on having fun and, and developing coordination and balance and those things and those kids sort of stuck with it and, and kept going through, um, kept going through those years and, and sort of were very, very, very consistent with their training and also. And, you know, it is possible to be consistent with training and, and, and also like play your sport and go to lessons if you wanna do those type of things and mm-hmm. Uh, you can do all that stuff, you know what I mean? So I think really the, for, for those kids that were coming through and I've had over the years, it's like the consistency of them coming to the gym and doing all those things that they should do. Um, over time and getting more sort of advanced as they go. You know what I mean? Um, so, so I think that that's helped me a lot is just having kids.'cause now the, the younger parents see like these kids and what they've done, and then we get more and more, uh, the people to listen. Um, and then, and then also like my own kids, you know, have their friends and I get to know their parents and I've been able to like say, Hey, this is what we're doing and this is why we do it. And, and they read my post and talk to me about it. And, and so I think in that respect, it's been, it's been, uh, it's been really good. I mean, I got, I, I try to tell people, like, I have a, I have a son who's in college playing in college football right now, you know, and, and, uh, he's a, he's almost a 500 pound squatter and a 350 pound clean. I mean, he's got like, he's got legitimate like, strength for an 18-year-old kid. Yeah. That's insane. You know, he got serious about lifting weights around his freshman year. Before that, it was sort of like, I did it. He did it here and there. You know what I mean? Yeah. He came to all my kids' classes. We did a lot of running around. We played a lot, we wrestled a lot, we played lots of sports. I can tell you, you know, I had a team that I coached for football, youth football. We went down to Florida, uh, in seventh grade. Uh, he was in seventh grade. The other guys, the kids on the team were eighth grade. I mean, he was below average on our team. Do you know what I mean? And, and so, so like it all changed when Yeah. He developed and put the time in and it was the right, it was the right time for him to start training. I have another son who's probably gonna play college football, but he's, um, he started like, maybe got real serious about lifting, uh. A little bit later. And I have another kid, not my kid, but a kid I work with that's real good, good friends. He, this kid started training, like really, he was a little bit more mature and he started training hard in like seventh grade. So it all, you know what I mean? So I have sixth grade girls who are like, play soccer, who are like super mature for their age. And yeah, I always have to, some of them I have to pull back and be like, Hey, let's, let's have some fun.'cause I know you want to train really hard and I know what you hear from your, from your peers and the clubs you play against and the tournaments that you play against. And I know you want like your, your sort of, you want to push and grind, but also I want you to remember like, you, like relax and, you know, get away from your coaches and everyone else and just have fun too. You know what I mean? So the whole, the whole thing of like, um. There's a certain age gr there's a certain age to start training. It's not necessarily true because Right, it comes down, it comes down to the athlete and whe when they're ready to like sort of get more intensive and more organ, organ, uh, organized. You know what I mean? And that's, that happens a lot too with kids. Like, so you get a, an, uh, like a kid who's really big like a, he just naturally a. Dude, like people think like, oh, he's ready to go to really start training hard and heavy, but like emotionally and mentally, spiritually, that dude might be like fifth grade still. Yeah. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. Like, he's not even there. Yeah. He needs that kid needs. I got, I got an

Ryan Patrick: 33:12

athlete in my head right now. I know that guy. Yeah.

Jeremy Frisch: 33:14

You need, like, you need like, that kid still needs more fun time and more play time and more relaxed time and less like, oh, you need to be doing this stuff and, and, and just give him a little chance. Give him a chance for those other parts of him to catch up to his physical maturity. You know what I mean? Yeah. So do

Ryan Patrick: 33:32

you, do you have a, a story maybe or, uh, does anybody come to mind? You know, they've been sucked in this vortex of club sports. They're, yep. 12. They're 11 years old. They're on a threes or a fours team at the club, and their parent is like, we want them to go, this athlete wants to play at a higher level. I mean, this conversation of like, Hey, we're not, you know. We're trying to make you the best athlete, long term, not the best athlete tomorrow, which is kind of what you've alluded to. Like, Hey, you know, my kids were average for a while. They hung with it. Yeah. But I, I see some kids, they, they maybe get discouraged by not rising the ranks. And, and again, this kind of goes back to this performance mindset, keeping up with the Joneses. Like, do you have a situation where an athlete like, uh, either may, maybe a was like, Hey, you know, we're not doing this. Like we wanna, we wanna try something else and then come back to you and be like, oh yeah, you know, you were actually really right about this. Um, does, does anything come to mind? I know I'm kind of putting you on the

Jeremy Frisch: 34:28

spot here. You know what, you know what happens a lot with me is I get kids that come in early and then they'll sort of like, um, they'll enjoy it and, but you know, the whatever, for whatever reason, whether they get, they, they get really busy with club sports or, you know, uh, just the timing doesn't work. And I've had many, many kids like not come back for three, four years. Come back in like, you know, age 13 or 14, and the parent's like, oh, like, yeah, we realize like this, the rat race we're in is not, is not where we want to be. You know what I mean? Like mm-hmm. Because,'cause because you like all that practice time and they only get incrementally better and they realize like the things that they're missing is this like physical foundation. If you, they they realize like, oh, the reason why this kid's beating everyone right now is'cause he's just faster than everyone and stronger than everyone. You know what I mean? So it's like, you get, they, they sort of, sometimes they see the light and they're like, all right, well now they understand like, oh, the, there's a physical side that sports, you know, at first it's, it's like three things. It's, it's, it's physical and then it's technical and then it's tactical and in that order. Right. And if you don't do that order, if you jump right into like trying to teach someone the technical without having the physical, you know, if you don't mm-hmm. If you have an, you have an athlete that's like you. Can't do a, you know, a squat in good range of motion or a lunge and they fall over or they can't balance on one foot. Like how do you ever expect them to like be able to kick a soccer ball efficiently or be able to swing a baseball bat? Like I always say, like, all these kids play baseball. They play little league baseball or, or club baseball, and they can't hang from a bar for 30 seconds. Yeah. It's like, dude, you're playing a sport where like you are holding an implement and throwing a ball with your hand and your arms and shoulders and you can't do this like basic, minimal thing. Right? So as I always tell, like try to get it across people like it's physical first. Then if you want, if you can't have that physical part in place, you'll be able to learn the technical stuff. Mm-hmm. And then once you learn the technical stuff, when your coaches can teach you your tactical stuff, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. So like another example, like I got a kid right now. He's like, uh, he plays defensive end in high school football, right? Yep. Like. He needs to be able to, you know, take on a blocker with one hand and be able to like, you know, basically strong arm a guy and go try to make a tackle, you know, if he's not strong enough and, and has good range of motion and be able to do that. Like, you can't even teach him that technique. And if he can't do that technique, he's not gonna fit into the scheme of, you know, the defense where he, what, like the stuff he belongs needs to do on the field. Mm-hmm. So that's why it's like the physical, technical, tactical, and that's the, that's the order and they, they can all develop at the same time, but you need to be doing, they all need to be in, in the right place.

Ryan Patrick: 37:21

That's, to me, that becomes really relevant because a lot of the physical that I feel like maybe guys from our generation developed was like, you wanna talk about high intensity PIOs? Like we were jumping outta trees, man. Like, oh, look at that land. Like that's, you know, we were swinging and doing back flips off the swing. Like we were a hundred

Jeremy Frisch: 37:39

percent.

Ryan Patrick: 37:40

Uh, it was just like random exposure and, you know, we did it till we were tired of doing it. Like there weren't sets and reps and yeah, I feel like that's,

Jeremy Frisch: 37:48

that's lost. I always loved, like, the, the kid that I hated the most, or like was the kid who could like, rip up the tree and like climb a tree. Like it was nothing. I'd be like, dude, how do you do that? Because I, you know, I remember being kind of a tall, tall, like kind of goofy kid and like that stuff was always hard for me. Like the, the climbing up to the tree. Like I could jump off anything and, and run. I used to used to like sprint and jump over things and things like that. Mm-hmm. But yeah, like that kid I used to love like,'cause he could, he was just in my eyes, like he. Being able to climb up on stuff like that just showed like such strength and, and ability, you know? Mm-hmm. Um, but I used to like go to my brother's, like track meets when I was like a little kid. I'd be in like third grade and I'd go to my older brother's track meets and I'd see them doing like hurdles and high jump. And I would come home, I would come home and set that stuff up in my house. Like I remember in our attic we had like a bunch of old mattresses and I had my own high jump pit. Oh, that's awesome. You know, I would have like chairs outside, I'd set up as hurdles, you know what I mean? So, I mean, I think, I still think I was just destined to be, to do this job because of growing up all the things I saw and was exposed to. You know what I mean? So, oh yeah. And, and, and I think for me, for my own kids, like they, they don't have a real problem with training because mm-hmm. They've spent their entire life wa not even doing it. Like, not that I made'em do it, they just watched it.

Ryan Patrick: 39:11

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Frisch: 39:12

Like, like they see all these kids training. And sort of for that. And, and they see little kids play. Like even when they were like really young before they could even do my classes, they watched kids running around and climbing on things and doing all that stuff. And so for them it was just an easy transition. Like, oh, we want to do that. You know what I mean? So, so I think just like exposing kids to as much as possible is really where you get, you're gonna see the biggest benefit.

Ryan Patrick: 39:37

Yeah. And, and I have a question about the design of your sessions. Yep. Because I, I look at them from afar and I'm like, this guy is an absolute mastermind. Um, and they're, they were, years ago I tried to do, uh, something with younger kids, you know, modeled probably somewhat after what you're doing. And I'm like, I am not even close to this guy's level. So I'm curious, like, what is your thought process when you're developing this stuff? Because it's not just random organized play, like there's. Their skills and the physical aspects that you talk about that are like just neatly embedded into what you're doing. So, I mean, I would just kind of like to peek behind the curtain a little bit and just hear, hear how you kind of think of some of this stuff or develop it or just, I mean, I don't know. I'll

Jeremy Frisch: 40:29

tell you what, one thing, like the, the, the social media posts sort of ties it a little bit. There's a lot of like downtime between Sure. Activities too, you know what I mean? Which, oh yeah. Believe it or not, if, if you came to my facility, that's my favorite time when I'm setting up something new. Mm-hmm. The kids are still just playing on their own, like over on the mat, you know what I mean? Which is. For parents, they're always like, oh, you know, they don't realize the magic that that's happening, but

Ryan Patrick: 41:00

mm-hmm.

Jeremy Frisch: 41:01

That's what's going on when I'm setting up something new. But, but, um, but yeah, so when I set things up, when I look at some type of activity I wanna do with the kids, I'm still thinking like speed or strength. Right? I'm still thinking that stuff. I just need to figure it out in a way that's, that kids are gonna enjoy and, and mm-hmm. That they'll, and then, and when they do it, they'll give their best effort, right? Mm-hmm. So like, if I put the crash, like that's why a crash mat works great, because I know that like I can get a, a really good acceleration with for a kid. Mm-hmm. And it's gonna end with a dive into the crash mat. So that's the way I look at it. I'm like, all right, this crash mats a great tool to work speed. Mm-hmm. Not so much, not so much. Gymnastics are, you know, doing flips or anything. Yet, in this particular instance, this crash, match's awesome for me to develop like this. Their ability to accelerate and, and this is, is like as young as four or five. You know what I mean? That's crazy. Uh, this box or this, like, I bought some, I have these like ramps. Like a ramp is great because it's like, and it launches a kid up even higher than they would normally jump off the ground. So I'm thinking, all right. Mm-hmm. Like plyometric landing, like absorbing for like, I still think the same way as if I would like an 18 or 19-year-old like football player, we're gonna do some type of like, you know, force absorption, like depth drop. Mm-hmm. Like right. I would still think that way just in sort of a more kid friendly, kid friendly way, right? Yeah. So, um, and that's why like the having, um, lots of like the flooring, like, uh. We have tons of like, just rollout mats. Yeah. Like the mats are probably my, my best thing to have, right. Because the kids can fall and roll and learn how to like, kind of manipulate their body in the air. Mm-hmm. Um, and so, so, so, um, so when I think like strength, right? Strengths. How do we develop strength? Well, like climbing on things or hanging on things or, you know, traversing things. Like that's the way I, for a kid, that's the way I look at developing, developing some type of like, uh, upper body strength, lower body, you know, I think about like them wrestling or like pushing and pulling a, um, a uh, a medicine ball, like wrestling over a medicine ball, things like that. Mm-hmm. Um, so I just, I still think of it as the same way as I do an older athlete. I'm just looking for kid friendly ways to do it. And then a lot of times what happens is, is like I'll do one activity and then that activity, like I just sit there and watch and like 10 other things pop into my head that I can do similar to that. Yeah. You know what I mean? I think I will say that I probably have, I'm, I'm probably, my strength falls under a creative side. And I can tell you right now, my organizational side sucks. Terrible. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's, it's terrible. So I guess we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I, I would definitely say my, my creative side is good. Um,'cause I never write anything down either. Like, and I probably should, you know what I mean? I guess that's why having a camera camera's there is great.'cause I, you get it all on film and I probably have 16 years of activities on my phone, um, of doing all different types of stuff, you know? So, but it, but it is cool, like when you come up with something and then you just kind of watch it and see the kids do this or that. A lot of times the kids will do something. They'd be like, they'll give you an idea, they'll do something Totally. You weren't, yeah. That you weren't expecting. And that send you another, you know, one of the, I remember, uh, one of the kids one day, uh, they grabbed a pool noodle and they like, sort of like ran at each other and like, it was almost looked like a joust. And I was like, shit, noodle joust, dude. That is perfect. And then the next day I had like 10 kids chasing each other, doing new, you know, doing noodle joust. Yeah. And it was awesome. You know, and then I was like, all right, if you get hit in the leg, you gotta hop on one foot. You know what I mean? And, and, and, uh, so they're trying to joust with each other on one leg, so now we're hopping mm-hmm. You know, we're, we're working. Yeah. So there you go. It's like, it just, these little things sort of always pop up. The more, the more you do it. Uh, yeah. Um, you just keep an open mind and you know what I study, like, you know, I scour. In Instagram or YouTube or, I have like, I mean, I can't tell you how many phys old, old phys ed books from like the sixties and seventies and stuff. Wow. I have so many of those books. I scour through them. I scour through them'cause I wanna find more stuff. You know what I mean? So, yeah. Yeah. It's a lot, it's a lot of fun too.

Ryan Patrick: 45:37

No, I think that's great. That like the agility of tag cannot be understated, right? No. And variations of it. And, um, you kind of alluded to this earlier, but you know, we kind of played outside, we had our own games, right? It is like, what are we gonna do today? Like, my ball's flat and I don't got a pump. Like, well we got this crush can, so like, let's, I don't know, let's play this kind of hockey with, you know, our, our feet or something. So, um, are there times where it gets a little democratic there where you've got the athletes weighing in of like, Hey, we wanna do this, or like, let's try these rules. Sure. This rule set with things.

Jeremy Frisch: 46:09

Yeah.'cause especially when, um, especially when the kids find something they really like, they just wanna come in and do that all the time. You know what I mean? Yeah. They, they, they just wanna do that all the time. So one of our, one of the big games, we, it's called like, I don't even know why we call it this, but it's called Alien Tag. And, and I have to run, I have to run around with the poodle and, and hit the kid in the ankle. If you get hit in the ankle, and the reason I'll give you this, I'll tell you the reason why the ankle in a second, but, uh, if you get hit in the ankle, you have to go sit on the crash mat and you're in jail. But then your friends can get you out, they can tag you out and you can have a jailbreaker or whatever. But anyways, one of the like, things that came up was like, the first day I did it, I swung the pool noodle really low, and a kid just like leaped up in the air and jumped. And I was like, all right, we're gonna always go for the ankle because we want, mm-hmm. I want these kids to, I want these kids to be like accelerating and then leaping off the ground and landing. Yeah. And so that, so that was like one of those like aha moments. Yeah, we're gonna swing low to get the kids to jump off the ground, get some air. You know what I mean? So, um, so yeah, the kids will definitely always like, gravitate towards a game. They always, they really love. But that's when you sort of like, all right, well we're gonna do this, this, and this to get to that, right? Mm-hmm. So you don't, they'll they'll do other stuff knowing that that's coming down, down the line, you know, like, uh, we have a game pickle, you know, everyone's in the middle, you throw the ball back and forth. Yeah. We call it runners and we call it runners and gunners now, but it's, you know, it's basically pickle like we were a kid and uh, like they love that game and they would probably play it for a full 45 minute class. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. But, but I like to do other stuff first and then we get to that at the end, you know what I mean? Yeah. And they, and they, and they love it just as much. So, yeah. It's cool stuff.

Ryan Patrick: 47:51

Yeah. So I wanna ask a question'cause we have some athletes that come in, they're young. Yep. They're probably in the age group that would do some of these things that you guys are doing. And they, they kind of lack confidence, right? Maybe they're slow on the court because they don't, they recognize they're not as fast as other athletes. They, they don't want to feel silly, uh, trying and coming up short. Sure. How do those kids take to the environment that you have? Because I feel like when you gamify things, uh, all those preconceptions and hesitations that people have just kind of crumble. Like, are they, are they able to open up? Are they able to just express movement very freely? Are they able to just, you know, be fast in that context? Do they feel like more invited to, to move into explore, you know, just higher outputs without. Without worrying about it.

Jeremy Frisch: 48:47

Yeah. I think sometimes too, like with some of the, some of the activities we do too is not always super competitive. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? Mm-hmm. If I just, like, if I just set up an obstacle course, like the kid who's a stud athlete can just rip through it as fast as he can, but of a kid that comes in as like maybe a little bit like not as skilled or not as coordinated, they can still go their own pace and sort of figure it out. You know what I mean? Yeah. So, so I try not to like, always just have it make a race or make it a, so that doesn't always have to be competitive. So that's like one way. Mm-hmm. And I, I, that's, that's why I really like obstacle courses. Yeah. The way we, the way we set'em up is just like a big, it's a big loop. And so you can be at any stage of your development and, and you, you know, you figure out, you figure out your way to get over, you know, get over or up and around or under whatever it is we're doing. Figure out your best way to do those things. You don't have anyone like. You have to worry about anyone seeing you lose or, or mm-hmm. Uh, you know, falling down, anything like that.'cause everyone's just kind of going, so that's, that's a, that's one way to do it. Another way I do it too, if I, if we do have a game mm-hmm. I'll take the really stud kid.'cause he's don't, he doesn't care like the kid who's the, there's always that kid, right? He's just the stu, the stu of the group.

Ryan Patrick: 50:01

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Frisch: 50:01

He wants, that kid wants a challenge. Right. Always. So, yep. I'll put him with like, some of the kids who aren't great and he's almost like their protector. He's their leader, you know, he'll bring those kid, he'll bring those kids up, you know, we'll play, we'll play like team tag and I'll take the, the two or three worst kids and put'em with the best kid and then have the medium level kids, their own team. You know what I mean? And that kid gets pumped. Like, he's like, yes, let's go.'cause like, I'm gonna, these dudes over here think they're something, but I, no, I'm the best kid, you know? But at the same time, like he, he'll look after. Some of the kids that, um, maybe not as skilled, right? Yeah. And so now you're given, and those kids are now feel comfortable'cause they know they got their, their alpha on the team. So it's, that's always, that's always a fun dynamic and to, to watch too, you know what I mean? To, because we, you know, we've had some, I've had some really athletic kids come through our doors, you know what I mean? Mm-hmm. And I've had some kids that are not super athletic, but developed later on, you know, so like having them in, in be in an environment where they felt comfortable was very important because it kept them coming back and get them, it got them more exposure over time. Mm-hmm. So

Ryan Patrick: 51:13

that's cool. I think that's really great because I mean, that, that's a for real challenge, you know? And I think, yeah, no, no doubt. I, there's so many athletes. I've just had a conversation with a parent, you know, recently, it's like, Hey, you know, they, they want her to improve her speech. She's now a freshman in high school. And I'm like, I, I really think like a lot of it is just a confidence issue of like. You know, being able to express herself as much as possible. And I, I think there's, it's almost just opportunity, uh, or just like gently inviting people to these athletes to do this stuff and, and actually develop.'cause I mean, in our setting it can be, it can be a challenge, like getting them, like, kind of trying to finesse that out of them. Doubt. So I think doubt that's huge. But, you know, I, I do want to talk about some of your, your high level athletes, because I think I reshared a post this week that you had. I mean, this dude was a high school baseball player, cleaning like 300. I mean that's, yeah, that's serious. He's like

Jeremy Frisch: 52:11

a hundred, 180 pound, 180 pound pitcher. He cleans, uh, cleans 300 squats. 400 pounds. Yeah. Yeah. But I can tell you he's been coming to the, like, coming to me consistently since sixth grade. Um, you know, and, and again, same thing. We did a lot of, like, I can sh I could send you videos of him just doing fun stuff like bear crawls and climbing on the

Ryan Patrick: 52:34

mm-hmm. Climbing

Jeremy Frisch: 52:35

on the ropes and doing dives and catches and skips and, you know, he spent many, many years doing that stuff. I get, I will tell you this too, he is always been a like. Since he was a little, he was the, I'll tell you what, he, when we were li when the kids were little and he pitched, we all were always excited because we knew the game was gonna go by fast.'cause he threw strikes, like, youth baseball is the youth baseball is the worst. Oh. There's like a two or three

Ryan Patrick: 52:59

year gap where it's tough. It's real tough. Terrible.

Jeremy Frisch: 53:02

We've been through it. Yep. So it's like, I remember when, when, when my kids were little, you know, and like the, ah, we'd be like, oh, this kid's pitching today. Like, we're gonna be here for three freaking hours. Yeah. And then, and then, and then Brian would show up, you know, he'd be like, oh, we're playing Brian today. Like, we didn't even care that he was gonna strike everyone out.'cause the dudes just throwing, he's throwing strikes, you know what I mean? Um, and so, so he, he's got a great, he's got a great, um, great family.

Ryan Patrick: 53:26

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Frisch: 53:27

Who's super supportive. Uh, and then, and then, and then really encouraged him to like, get into the gym and start to, you know, like, do that stuff. Um, and then at the same time he just took to it. He like, really enjoyed, I think he enjoyed too when he was younger, seeing the older kids that were training. Okay. Um, and, and so now he's a junior in high school. He is been super consistent with it. And, uh, you know, I I, he now, he's now he's on the, now he's on the other side, like the sort of, um, I don't wanna call him meathead, but he's, he's really into training now to the fact that he was at, at 5:00 AM this morning when I showed up to Jim, he was sitting in the parking lot. So, oh wow. You know, you're on a different, this is a different level kid now, um, that he's turned into that though, you know what I mean? It wasn't, he wasn't that kid his freshman year in eighth grade. Mm-hmm. But now, now he is,'cause he is getting older and more mature and he realizes what he wants. You know, so that that motivation for him is there. It's inside. It's inside him. But yeah, that's some crazy strength for, for that, for that size.

Ryan Patrick: 54:27

Yeah, no doubt. I think there's, there's always a like turning point. I think when boys become interested in girls, that training starts to become more of a, more of a, more of an interest. But no doubt, what they need to know is you're gonna get more compliments from the guys than you are from the girls. Yeah. Yep, yep. No doubt about it. Um, so in his, in his development, what was kind of that inflection point where training started to diverge? I mean, I know you mentioned the age, but like, what was it about him? Was it a, a physical thing? Was it a kind of mental or an emotional maturity where he is like, okay, now I see where I want to go and what I want, what I want to accomplish in this sport, and I'm old enough to handle the training, is that when it started to get more serious? Yeah. Yeah,

Jeremy Frisch: 55:07

I think so. I think, I think when he really started focusing, like he knew that, um, baseball was gonna be his focus, you know? Mm-hmm. And, and started, it started, um, started playing more summer ball and, and stuff like that. I think, I think he was surrounded by good people too, that were like, listen, like this stuff can beat you up over time. You know what I mean? Yeah. So like, the best thing you can do is like start to get in the weight room and start to get stronger and start to get a little bit more resilient and, you know, um, work on things. He, he, he's, he's never had like, um, any real setbacks.'cause I think so far he's really been consistent with, with, uh, with what he's been doing. Um, yeah. So, and then I just think over the years it's been like, you know, first it was like. Freshman year, he came like two days a week, and then eventually he's like, oh, can I come, you know, three days a week? Mm-hmm. And then like, o over the last year, year and a half or so, it's been like, all right, well he's, he usually comes almost every day. And then, but then we, then we started delegate like, all right, like, today you're gonna just, we're just gonna loosen up. Right? He's, he's, he's also learned the importance of like, just a day to come in and move, open up, do some stick stretches, you know, hang from the barn, we'll do some arm work, you know, things like that. He's like, he sort of like really likes that. I think he likes the, it's almost like, um, putting money in the bank, you know, for him. Yeah.

Ryan Patrick: 56:29

Yeah. I think baseball guys get that right? You can't get on the bump every day and throw

Jeremy Frisch: 56:34

Gassers a hundred percent. A hundred, you know what I mean? So I think that's where he feels what he feels, uh, like it, it helps him a lot to be there consistently.

Ryan Patrick: 56:43

Yeah. That's amazing. Jeremy, we covered a lot of ground man. We're, we're going on an hour. I wanna be respectful of your time. I could probably talk to you for another three hours. I really, I'm so interested in this stuff and, um, uh, just crave to have the creativity that you have. But I do wanna hit you with just a couple like quick outro questions, um Yep. That I think people get some value out of. So, alright. What social media is a monster. It's a machine hungry one at that. Like, what is the one thing with the youth athletes that is just so in our face that we need to just stop doing?

Jeremy Frisch: 57:17

I would say, you know, the, this like, well we, we, we talked about it earlier, this like push to like. Do training like a, like older adults, do you know what I mean? Yeah. Like this, this, this push to like, you know, have everyone thinks, like you see like a 8-year-old doing heavy squats and everyone loses their mind. And like on social media, like everyone's like, yeah, like, you know, there's just hundreds of thousands, like there's so many posts and everyone's like, this is the greatest thing in the world. And if I showed like a video of a kid doing skips, which is like super developmentally appropriate for his age, and like, I get like three likes.

Ryan Patrick: 57:53

Mm-hmm.

Jeremy Frisch: 57:53

You know what I mean? Yeah. Oh. So it's frustrating. Sensationalism of like social media, it's just, it drives me crazy, but whatever, I just keep doing my thing, you know? And keep working with the kids I got.

Ryan Patrick: 58:03

Yeah. All right. Underrated movement skill or the game that every middle schooler needs? Well, I

Jeremy Frisch: 58:12

think I posted it today. I don't know if you saw what I posted, but, uh, uh, obstacle, so like tag, so it was basically you play tag, but obstacles. Spread around. Okay. The, the play space for me, like, I look at that and I'm like, man, there's so much going on here that's exciting. You know? Mm-hmm. Because you can run around things, you can jump over things, you can use the obstacles, uh, to your advantage to, to not get tagged, you know, to not get chased down. Uh, you know, so there's, there's a lot going on as far as like, just, I mean obviously regular tag is awesome too, but you throw in these obs you throw in these obstacles and it just changes the game. Changes the game. So if anyone check out my social media posts, my Instagram post from today, you'll see, you'll see the, uh, you obstacle tag is just fantastic.

Ryan Patrick: 58:58

Okay. Love that. Alright. What is one thing you'd ban from youth training

Jeremy Frisch: 59:04

ban? Oh, you know what? I don't do? One of the things that I see a lot of too is like, like, uh, things like bear crawl races or crab walk, like any type of like crawling races Yeah. I think are bad news.'cause you're just like. Slamming your small bones of your wrist and you know, your elbow and your humerus into your shoulder. Like, you know, and, and I think, I don't think that's a great idea to do. Um, I think if you're gonna race, you should just race on your own two feet. Um, and, and not like I've had kids have issues like, get hurt doing Yeah. Doing that type of stuff, you know what I mean? Um mm-hmm. And no, but it makes sense on the surface. Like that's probably like, yeah, let's have the kids do bear crawl race. And then I just got into it a little bit and realized, like, I had a few kids ding up their wrist and their elbow and shoulder and I was like, ah, that's probably not a good idea. We're not gonna do that anymore.

Ryan Patrick: 59:54

Yeah.

Jeremy Frisch: 59:55

So that's what we don't do.

Ryan Patrick: 59:57

Okay. Uh, what's, what are like the one or two best phys ed books we should get ahold of? Oh, uh,

Jeremy Frisch: 1:00:04

so, uh, the, um, it's called, um, physical Education Building the Foundation. And it's by a guy named, uh. Paul Gabbard. I think it's Paul Gabbard that definitely last name's Gabbard. Yeah. That's a fantastic book. That's a, it's a, that's an elementary pe book, but there's so much stuff in there that you could extend to older ages is, is really good. And there's another really good, uh, PE book called Children Moving. Okay. That's a, that's it, that's a fantastic one. That one has this like wheel, it's like this wheel of movement inside in it. And it, it just, it covers like every type of skill that you could ever, you know, want a, a, a kid to learn and how it all like interconnects. It's pretty awesome. Awesome. Yeah. Awesome. I'm gonna definitely check both

Ryan Patrick: 1:00:47

those out and I'll, I'll link to'em too in the show notes so people can find those. Um, anyway, man, where can we find out more about

Jeremy Frisch: 1:00:54

you? Yep. So I, I'm always, the two places are, you know, uh, Instagram and, uh, and X or Twitter, whatever people still call it. But I, that's pretty much where I put mo most of my information, um, on there, you know what I mean? So, uh, and then I, I have a one like, um, little product I made. It's a, it's a, a games course, athletic development games course that I sell to people that who want it. Um, and then some, you know, programming that goes along with it. Just like simple stuff that, you know, especially if you're a, you're a, a parent coach or a parent, or p you know, you work with kids and you want some type of like actionable athletic development stuff that's not too easy to, not too hard to implement. That's what it's for. So cool.

Ryan Patrick: 1:01:41

Yeah, I'll make sure I get that link from you'cause uh, I might be interested in that too. I, I, sure, I think I'd looked for it before and couldn't find it, so, but man, I appreciate your time. Thank you so much. Like, it was such an honor to, to finally get you on. I know schedules are tough, but, uh, this was, this was incredible, so awesome. Super appreciate it man. Thanks for having me on and you know, if you ever wanna do it again. I'm

Jeremy Frisch: 1:01:59

game.