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Push Pull Health
With a temper as short as her legs, Fiona joins Ben every week to forcefully 'Push Your Health From The Pulls Of Life.'
Expect Foul-mouthed narcissistic ramblings on fitness, nutrition, film, and life's daily rot.
This weekly audio & video expansion on the world-famous 'The Daily (ish) Rot' email and video ramblings also includes:
Usefully Useless Fitness and Diet Advice.
Half-arsed film reviews.
The exploitation of children.
True Crime recommendations.
Nutritious leprechaun-inspired recipes (short and to the point)
Narcissistic wisdom.
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Howdy...
I'm Ben, the only 'health' coach (not a life coach) who allows you to embrace your Rotten attitude towards exercise and nutrition!
Empowering You to give the middle finger to your yo-yo diet and half-arsed exercise routine in JUST 30 Days!
Are you sick of yo-yo-ing from one restrictive diet and hideous exercise plan to the next, begging for it to end so you can slip back into old habits, only to start the same rotten cycle again?
And again.
It doesn't matter if this is the 1st time or the 69th (hehe) time that you're trying to improve your health.
Because I promise you...
This time will be the last.
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#5 | Can Hangovers Really Improve Your Long Term Health?
What does your rotten health attitude struggle with most?
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How many hangovers were worth the price of admission?
"Hello. How 'bout that ride in? I guess that's why they call it Sin City."
Authors Note* This episode was borderline unreleasable as although some of the information on alcohol and its effects on your Health might be useful, Ben's narcissistic rambling about his experiences with booze threatened to sabotage an otherwise fantastic, insightful conversation...
Stick with us...We get good at Episode 100...
I feel Robo Ben has done well with this week's episode summary:
We open up about our evolving relationship with alcohol, reminiscing about our days of youthful revelry and transitioning to a more moderate, reflective consumption.
This personal journey mirrors a broader cultural shift toward moderation, influenced by social media's ever-watchful eye, which often compels us to share rather than truly experience moments.
We then delve into how hangovers often lead to poorer dietary choices. For instance, the story of Fiona's life-saving rotten banana at 4 a.m. exemplifies the bizarre food decisions one might make under the influence.
Furthermore, we discuss how to make smarter drink choices. Choosing lower-calorie versions of your favourite alcoholic beverages can significantly reduce the overall caloric intake of an evening, which is especially beneficial for those watching their weight.
This segment highlights not only the direct effects of alcohol on our Health but also its ability to lead us into other unhealthy habits, such as excessive eating and smoking.
Much of our discussion highlights Ben's disdain for the sober friends who document our less dignified moments, questioning the drive behind capturing nights out we might not remember.
We also ponder the cultural obsession with forgetting nights out, debating why erased memories are sometimes celebrated as great nights.
This leads to a sobering conversation on regular drinking in
With a temper as short as her legs, Fiona joins Ben every week to forcefully 'Push Your Health From The Pulls Of Life.'
Expect Foul-mouthed narcissistic ramblings on fitness, nutrition, film, and life's daily rot.
This weekly audio & video expansion on the world-famous 'The Daily (ish) Rot' email and video ramblings also includes:
Usefully Useless Fitness and Diet Advice.
Half-arsed film reviews.
The exploitation of children.
True Crime recommendations.
Nutritious leprechaun-inspired recipes (short and to the point)
Narcissistic wisdom.
WHO THE FU*K ARE YOU?
Howdy,
I'm Ben, the only 'health' coach (not a life coach) who allows you to embrace your Rotten attitude towards exercise and nutrition!
Empowering You to give the middle finger to your yo-yo diet and half-arsed exercise routine in JUST 30 Days!
Are you sick of yo-yo-ing from one restrictive diet and hideous exercise plan to the next, begging for it to end so you can slip back into old habits, only to start the same rotten cycle again?
And again.
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Speaker 3:Push your way off, push your way off and pause life yes, ben yeah, yeah, okay, let's just get it done. Let's just get it done. Unfortunately, now I said to you didn't.
Speaker 2:I said, I said I made it very clear but you don't want to say let's get it done. I made very yes because that reminds me of the old days well, this is actually a very good point, ben, because this is what happens when you don't stick to your routine everything goes out the window that's true.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's true, and it's the same with fitness.
Speaker 2:If you don't stick to a plan and your usual routine, shit happens. You're usually recording the sunday.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we missed our slot. Okay, the slot's, the slot's been missed. The.
Speaker 2:Easter Bunny came, we got too excited and just all hell broke loose. And we're doing it on a Monday afternoon after work with full bellies of eggs and it's just not working. And we had a leg of lamb yesterday as well. I need to brush my eye off so, yeah, but that's very interesting topic, ben. Maybe we should do that next week routine and consistency. Maybe, how it affects us, you're losing the will to live over there, ben. You missed the slot, mr slot, as I just said so we missed our slot mr slot discipline.
Speaker 3:I mentioned this on episode four, I believe with old joocko Remember.
Speaker 2:Jocko yes.
Speaker 3:When I was talking about good, your parents just died in the car crash. Good yeah, resilience.
Speaker 2:I get it yeah.
Speaker 3:Probably that's quite an extreme example, but if you were Jocko, that's what he'd say. Maybe not Record that's what he'd say. Maybe not record it. See what happens. We've done it. Stop shitting your pants about it. I'm not shitting. No, I'm not. I'm not shitting my pants because I have to wash those pants.
Speaker 2:I'm not shitting did you like that? Huh, should we start again? No, I'm not starting again.
Speaker 3:No, okay what was I saying?
Speaker 2:Mr Slot, the microphone is just wobbling, mr Slot. Ben, it's like a fucking dildo your mistress.
Speaker 3:It's like that pound of fat I was talking about. You know the Irish online trainers. Why don't we just move on? Oh, it sounds like you're dipping the dough. I know what are we talking about.
Speaker 2:Alcohol, let's go. Let's talk about booze. Hit me baby, let me just have the whatever.
Speaker 3:I can't compete with these Insta comments I've got here.
Speaker 2:What Insta comments?
Speaker 3:So I'm trying to, because I have the two separate accounts, I've got the gym. Oh, that's also why I'm stressed. I was training clients. This is a working day for me. Train clients, more clients, normally on the Sunday. Don't train clients on the Sunday, not the moment. This is a working day. No days off for this guy or me. Bank holiday.
Speaker 2:Monday.
Speaker 3:There I am.
Speaker 2:Pushing someone's help from the poles of life I am.
Speaker 3:There's no days off. Fuck off, that joke's old. Now We've moved on. I'm trying to post between two accounts Slightly different content. That's what I did this morning. I went to go in episode two have a look at it. To then try and break it into smaller clips to then start posting on the online coaching profile that I have on Instagram Didn't work. It had not been edited for some reason, so I got very cross.
Speaker 2:Oh, is that what a show. Show was about.
Speaker 3:Yes, that's correct. I was wondering oh, is that? What the shouting?
Speaker 2:was about yes, that's correct. I was wondering. I feel like we need some alcohol. You can imagine people just switch off. I feel like we need some alcohol in here.
Speaker 3:You have to really like the person to tolerate the shit of me just trying to repeat the same thing five times. Hey.
Speaker 2:I've got a bottle of wine in the fridge. Shall we grab it open.
Speaker 3:Right, let's repeat this again. If anyone's still here, you have to grab their attention. The first three seconds, fucking hell, oh dear, yeah, oh dear.
Speaker 2:But you can't if you're saying the same thing 10 times over instagram comments yeah, we get that so what's going on with the instagram topic?
Speaker 3:that was a, that was a, a uh part of the game plan like oh, what I, what I must do, I've seen it enough. I've read enough material, I've looked at enough social media marketing courses, whatever, you've got to provide value, so stage. Could you give me a bit of context?
Speaker 2:about why it's tough, then, please, I will Just get to the point then, Step four or whatever.
Speaker 3:All right, okay, taking over the Instagram world. Start doing the YouTube. Start doing the sitting on the sofa I haven't done that for a while. Let's do that again. Start doing the wackiness, start jumping around a little bit not too much, because that's not me, but just jump around enough and provide value. A little bit of education, a little bit. Some laugh, some. He, he's a funny man. He's trying to push my Provide value in the comments.
Speaker 3:So I went on to some of these profiles of these online trainers and was like okay, you know, they've got lots of followers. And I was like okay, right, so just get in the comments, and then people will write questions or go well, what about this, though? What about that? And then I can comment and say well, let me tell you about this. Once you get to a certain point, you drop your bit of content, however dog shit it is or however good it is. They drop the video, bit the content and they just fuck off and the comments are alive.
Speaker 3:There's hundreds and hundreds of comments, depending on how many follow-ups they've got, and these people are just arguing. They're going nuts in these comments. These people must spend hours. I'm not exaggerating, they must spend. They must spend hours commenting, going oh, I agree with him, he's my favourite and someone might go oh, I don't believe that Insulin resistance, I don't think. So Show me a study. So, now and again, depending on, again, what else they're doing and how many followers they've got, they may comment the person the online coach might comment and go. Oh well, I don't know, here's a study, or I'm not too sure about that. If they've got time, I think they'll be asked, but a lot of the time they don't. They just fuck off.
Speaker 2:And where does Ben? There's just all these people.
Speaker 3:Fans and not fans just get very cross in the comments, or the fans defending the person who's put the content out.
Speaker 2:So where does this put? Ben at Pushbull Health.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm trying to provide value. So you go into the comments. So there might be someone you might go into the comment and go oh hi hi Dave. Oh, great video, how much protein should I be eating? And Dave, he's very popular, he's very busy, so comment. So then you get you sweeping as an online coach and go huh hi ben, here, push. Well, I'm trying to push around for more time. How much protein, I don't know. Uh, here's, uh, you know, here's my free calorie calculator. Maybe you don't, you're not that blatant, but you just go oh well, depending on your body weight, I would start here and you just provide some value and they go oh god, thanks, thanks, ben, for push more health I might follow and see other people might see you commenting and being helpful Like it's pretty, it's gross.
Speaker 3:It's a pretty, it's gross, but it's a better. I guess it's a better way than just going onto this person's account or going onto these people's account and they're just following their followers and just hope they might follow you back and then hope they might start watching your content. It's hard because you haven't seen this. You're not seeing any of this. I'm just relaying all this to you and you're going. Hmm, that sounds fucking terrible.
Speaker 2:Yes, it does sound terrible, but you're just a very popular person.
Speaker 3:you know millions of followers Get it.
Speaker 2:Yeah, not answering comments.
Speaker 3:Hundreds and hundreds of comments. They may answer some probably not, because it's just too busy so you might spend 15 minutes on one comment and there's there's no real way around that. I don't think. If you want to provide value and you want to make sure that you're getting your facts right, if it's about, you know, insulin resistance, type 2 diabetes, you don't just drop some dog shit comment that might be wrong anything to say about that but I don't know what you do, what really, I don't know.
Speaker 2:I don't know what you really want me to say about it. That's how I felt. It is what it is. It's just horrific.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I can imagine so, yeah, that was my tactic for this week yeah, to try and get some more.
Speaker 2:Did you get many followers?
Speaker 3:no, I didn't do it. I left a couple of comments. I was like this is undoable, even if you're all in on becoming an online coach waving the fat around. Oh my god, you're there all day. Becoming an online coach waving the fat around, oh my God, you're there all day. You're there all day. But it goes back to the whole. I don't think I've said this on this, maybe on the old podcast, but the thousand true fans, kevin Kelly, I believe the gentleman behind that, I'm all for it. I'm all for you know, getting in the trenches, having to release the content. I'm trying. I've still got this. I've still got this right around my neck. Yes, christ, it's, it's getting. Must be all the blood flowing to my neck because it's. It started to feel quite tight I wasn't gonna to say anything.
Speaker 3:I was just going to hope it got tighter. Just watch me pass out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that'd fucking shut you up.
Speaker 3:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Can I cover the episode?
Speaker 3:Yeah, how'd you get on?
Speaker 2:I'd just read from your fucking pad oh, I see.
Speaker 3:Yeah, tough. The more followers you get, the less realistic that probably is, even if you want to, even if you want to engage with all your followers, even the people that are being like oh, you're a fucking idiot, you suck yes, you do you want to go. Oh, hang on, let me. Let me give you a dressing down, but there's no time, it's very busy, but that was, yeah, horrible. I'm not quite sure. What would you recommend? What do I do?
Speaker 2:I just would say stay clear of social media, because I hate it. Yes, I cannot bear it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's horrible, it's horrible, it's. The last couple of weeks has been really fucking terrible, trying to get into it.
Speaker 2:Anything else on that Ben's list of woes?
Speaker 3:Well, it's just what do you do with it? I'm just provide value. I get it Deep down. Maybe I had to tell myself that I could be the outlier. You know, you hear the same thing, don't you, from people. You've got to provide value. You've got to do this like the podcast. I'm sitting here going oh, 100 episodes, fiona, and I'm serious, how many are we on now? This is the fifth. Maybe oh 95. But you know, maybe there's a little bit of me going oh well, you never know, I could be the outlier. And by episode 10, somehow the algorithm might just then push for wealth top of the list. Look at this guy. Look at this guy. He's got your attention, isn't he?
Speaker 2:by just fucking droning on oh, he's all right, that wouldn't really get my attention or somebody drawn it on I prefer somebody to be quick, to the point snappy they want to try and find a way to get there quicker.
Speaker 3:F Fiona don't they and that's what I've tried to do. I've gone against my own rules. Health and fitness is a lifelong commitment, same with this. Unfortunately, this might be a lifelong commitment, but I thought, no, do you know what? Oh man, we're just, we're game the algorithm a little bit and we'll get there in 10 episodes, not 10 years.
Speaker 2:Harsh reality as the clock ticks by thousand true fans.
Speaker 3:It's going to take 10 years so you said yes not 10 episodes yep, no doubt judging by those comments yep, and judging by the length of this waffle, the point is, there could be a thousand people out there right now going fucking hell, could you please fucking get a move on. Please.
Speaker 2:Arseholes.
Speaker 3:Fucking hell, because I want to get rid of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 3:I want to get people on. Yeah, proper people.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't want to be here.
Speaker 3:She doesn't mean it.
Speaker 2:I do mean it.
Speaker 3:See the big smile on their face when we go out After these episodes are recorded.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a relief, ben, that's done. Oh Right, the topic of conversation today. Okay, I'm trying. Get your hundred list of notes and tell the people what you're listening to. Tell your one fan what you're talking about today.
Speaker 3:Oh, oh, that's, that's very, that's very mean, isn't it, fiona? No, but we all know who it is. Do we who? Who is it? Shawnee. Boy. No, there's more, there's more. I don't think he's watching either, to be honest.
Speaker 2:I couldn't blame him.
Speaker 3:You have to watch this, guys, if you can Try and watch it, because we're on the YouTube now. So I have released this on audio form, but I feel like it's. If you want to see the silliness and the hands waving and me looking at the camera, the wackiness, try and get it on the YouTube or me sitting there.
Speaker 2:This is a real problem me sitting here with a stony expression yes, exactly yeah yes, yes yeah, well, you're on a holiday next week, aren't you as well? I am, so that's good, yeah, yeah oh, another holiday cannot wait yeah, yeah, not wait.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. So this is going to be our last episode for a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2:Yeah, great, great, if you could just crack on with it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, what do you want to talk about?
Speaker 2:I want to talk about alcohol. Okay, you talk about it, you talk about it.
Speaker 3:I'm having a sip of water.
Speaker 2:Are you sure that's water?
Speaker 3:We can do this in the future, this in the future. It's fine, we'll re-record this episode. No, we won't. Should we talk into the mic? Okay, please?
Speaker 2:yes, so alcohol, what do you think? What about it? You drink it, that's it sort yeah, what else? So how does it impact your health? Ben, tell me a little bit more about alcohol what do you want to know?
Speaker 3:I've got the notes here what I do. I'll just read through some of them. They're very scientific, so that's why I normally shit myself. Because I've got the notes here. They're quite heavy, some of them, especially for this, it's in terms of what alcohol does to your body.
Speaker 2:It's reasonably full on. Yes, well, I'm intrigued to know what alcohol does to your body.
Speaker 3:No, but there's no way, because we've already had 20 minutes Of you waffling.
Speaker 2:I can't put a bit of add, a bit of Ben touch to this.
Speaker 3:That's the whole point of this. No, no, I'll just read out the facts. Fine, read them out so hit me baby and then we'll try and make sense of it hit me.
Speaker 2:Hit me with your alcohol facts so what's your relationship with alcohol? I like alcohol right.
Speaker 2:I like my wine. I think as you get older, though, you kind of shy away a little bit from it. I think as you get older, though, you kind of shy away a little bit from it. I think, don't get me wrong, I do like a good boozy night out. Well, actually, no, I don't. I like a boozy afternoon out and then be home in bed by nine with no hangover the next day. That'd be the ideal world. But can you imagine going into a nightclub now? Oh God, oh dear God, it'd be tough. Oh god, oh dear god, it'd be tough. Yeah, that would be really tough.
Speaker 3:But then again, it depends how many, how many alcoholic beverages I'd had no.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'll ever go to a nightclub ever again. It fills me with absolute dread and horror. Right people, oh well there's more.
Speaker 3:There's more adult nightclubs isn't there?
Speaker 2:there's more, no, older gentlemen and older females send me to a bottomless brunch or an afternoon tea with a bottle or two of wine, and that's me done. Probably not the second bottle of wine, because that could get messy then sorry there, fiona.
Speaker 3:I had a bit of an itch, was your ear itchy I don't think the camera picked that up.
Speaker 2:I think it did, ben.
Speaker 3:the camera doesn't up, I think it did, ben, the camera doesn't, yeah. So we're very different. With the alcohol we're very different. I'm a binger Binge drinker. I like a binge, I don't enjoy alcohol. I'm not someone who goes oh God, the sun's out A beer garden anyone. No, no fucking interest, no interest. The beer garden garden, yes, if it's for a big one, it's like oh, a big garden which is going to lead to oh no, and I'll just have a couple of drinks.
Speaker 2:No see, I can do a couple of drinks yeah no interest.
Speaker 3:It's unfortunately. My relationship with alcohol has always been go hard or go home, yeah, it's, it's and that's not me going oh my god, you're so tough. No, it's, that's just it, and it's a shame really. In many ways, I, I just don't, especially now. I don't, I don't need, I don't need a beer after a long day but I like to have my glass of wine.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, so yes so you know, you've got a, you've probably got a. Um, well, I guess a better relationship with with alcohol in some way well, yeah, because I know my limits now as well.
Speaker 2:Like, sometimes I do go over my limits, but I'm trying to do my best with not drinking too much, I suppose. Obviously, I'm sure when I go to see my friend down in Cornwall, I'm sure it'll be a night a big sesh. Oh, that's right, You're also doing that as well, so you're going to be away for that as well, so the week beforehand I'm going for a botanist brunch as well with my other friend in Canterbury.
Speaker 3:That's on Saturday, though, isn't it?
Speaker 2:Okay, but it might be a little bit ropey on a Sunday.
Speaker 3:Fine, we should have saved the episode for then.
Speaker 2:Probably, yeah, probably.
Speaker 3:Yeah, maybe we'll talk about a recovery or.
Speaker 2:But I'll be home early because I'm old, okay.
Speaker 3:Good.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, no, no, I enjoy my couple of glasses of wine so I'm very much if I open a bottle of wine I have to drink a bottle of wine.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow, yes, oh, I don't know about. Oh, that sounds like oh, I don't know. That sounds like you've got a bit of a negative relationship with vodka. So what I've?
Speaker 2:been doing is because I don't like waste and I don't like leaving the wine till the next day that's my only problem or the next week. I don't drink it, it goes down the sink. So if I've mined the little bottles, they're wonderful. Wonderful Because it's just enough and they work out the same price. Morrison's fourth tree, four of them for the price of three Works out the same.
Speaker 3:Okay, so hit me with some science shit.
Speaker 2:then Okay, thanks, okay, so hit me with some science shit.
Speaker 3:Ben Okay, thanks very much.
Speaker 2:You're very welcome, ben. Thank you, goodbye, that's it Okay.
Speaker 3:That'd be nice, wouldn't it?
Speaker 2:That'd be lovely. Come on, hit me with some shit.
Speaker 3:I was just about to say something about booze and I forgot.
Speaker 2:Oh right.
Speaker 3:What was I going to say? Oh, I'd love to booze All the time if I could have. If I could have, I probably don't need to every week, but once a month definitely. Someone went. I'll write once a month. Here it is, you're good to go, you might, you might, even if someone. Oh, you'll feel, you'll feel a bit iffy the next day. You can't escape that. But then you're good to go. No other impact the whole of your following week still go. Oh, possibly you do something for a decade and then you just don't do it anymore. It's tough to come to terms with that, even on the whole. For me personally, it was miserable. Sucked.
Speaker 3:It's rubbish.
Speaker 2:But you get really bad hangovers, don't you as well?
Speaker 3:Yes, yes. I unfortunately probably surrounded myself with a lot of people that I'd have struggled to be around if I wasn't pissed and you picked up a lot of bad habits.
Speaker 2:Don't with drinking as well you smoked you went and got your 40 chicken nuggets your kebabs.
Speaker 3:Oh, we're getting deep, are we on those?
Speaker 2:yes, so you, you did bad habits yeah I don't really do that.
Speaker 3:I don't smoke and well, I don't smoke fiona.
Speaker 2:Just just when the I didn't look I wouldn't think of going to a check. I didn't look into that, unless someone mentioned that, of course. Why don't I look into that?
Speaker 3:I meant to look into that, the whole um, the whole link between alcohol and and cigarettes it's a social thing, then it's not.
Speaker 2:There's no link.
Speaker 3:It's a social thing no, but there must be. There's no link. It's a social thing.
Speaker 2:No, but there must be more to it than that. No, because it's. I remember before when we were going out and everyone was always in the smoking areas, because that's where everyone was. All the smokers were out there. So you used to just go out to the smoking area and then you were just like oh, oh, shall we have fun? Shall we light up?
Speaker 3:Of course, yeah, it was. For me it was like a break. It was like oh, quite vigorous dancing, bloody hell with these people. I can't fucking stand. Let's just go for a quick seat, have a debrief. That was especially at uni. That was like that was having a debrief. It was like how's the evening going? Is it dog shit?
Speaker 2:I think it might be dog shit. Yeah, yeah, what's the time? Were you smoking the night that we met? Were you going out for cheeky ciggies?
Speaker 3:I highly doubt it.
Speaker 2:No, I don't think so, because I'd have probably stunk. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Even if your relationship with alcohol was a lot better than mine. I mean, there is a lot to it, even if you don't think about it, with the whole drinking around people. Who are drinking buddies? Oh, they're friends, oh good friends, but they're not the equation. If you met them away from booze and just went for a nice stroll in the Dales, you'd be, like all right, so how's things?
Speaker 2:Yeah, but lucky love for me, I've got friends that I would drink with, so they are actually my friends.
Speaker 3:No, I know I can do both.
Speaker 2:I can go on a saucer to them or I can go meet them for a cup of tea. Yes, but Maybe I'm just a more likeable person, Ben, no, no, no, quite a lot, oh right okay.
Speaker 3:Well, I was the guy, wasn't I? Oh, Do you not remember the guy? When I say the guy, I'm like a bean-ock. I mean, you know, when you spoke to people, you remember that get-together and they were like yeah, because you guys were fucking boring. That's why you guys sucked.
Speaker 2:I thought the camera was off there for a second oh. God, I wouldn't be that upset, to be fair, no, I don't think I would be Put the plug on this dog shit.
Speaker 3:Life and soul of the party. I've just had a big flash of your big drunk happy head. Oh well, there you go, you've got a big?
Speaker 2:of course not, but when you think back now because I was saying this to Tara the other day on a voice note. I was looking back and just you know you go on the sauce Like I used to be in the Jolly at like one o'clock for a game on a Saturday and you used drinking again. And I mean you're drinking all day and I mean just not like sipping that drink, you're pounding the pints and then you're on the shots and you're on the vodka at the end of the night and then you wake up the next day and you do it all again. Can you imagine doing that now? Oh my God, that fills me with dread.
Speaker 3:I just didn't. I just didn't get as much from it as I should have. That's the problem, unfortunately, yeah, there was, there was, many, many nights out where it was like, oh, that got a bit crazy. Lots of, lots of silliness. If someone oh, do you remember this? Remember that, yeah, but unfortunately it was always just around people. I was just like whatever. Maybe they thought, oh god, yeah, I can't be around ben, bloody, bloody hell, because he's a, he's a pain in the ass. But it was like, yeah, I know, I'm paying, I'm I'm pissed and I'm like I'm being crazy because you fucking suck, you're boring. That's why I can't stand you. But what about a few drinks? Tolerable, tolerable, yeah, I can just about stomach you.
Speaker 2:Is that why we got drunk on the first night? To get a? Beer Probably yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, yeah, it's used for social occasions, isn't it? Yes, and I think again, for a lot of people, maybe, that it helps them be sociable, doesn't it? Yes, it takes the edge off yeah.
Speaker 2:It gives a bit of confidence. Dutch courage, isn't it?
Speaker 3:But it also leaves its boredom as well, and I think that's my problem. Yeah, I don't think I'm that socially awkward, but if I'm socialising people that I'm just like yeah, this person's like fine, whatever, I wouldn't choose to socialise them any other time other than now. I might just switch off a little bit. You can't just sit here like I don't want to be here, right, a couple of drinks here we go, and also like why am I here? I could just be at home just relaxing, maybe reading a book just doing this, editing my podcast.
Speaker 3:Well, I wasn't doing the podcast then, but I'd have been better off doing it. So it also alleviated boredom, didn't it? Yeah, I'd be bored if I was at home. So, and you want, you know I'm young you want to socialise, yeah, well, yes, FOMO is a big thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because that was one thing for me. What does that even?
Speaker 3:mean? What does that mean? Missing out on what it's fucking bonkers, isn't it? It's not, it's something fun something that happens. That's fun, I know, I don't know someone falling over and I don't know. I know that's what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:That's what we're talking about. Yeah, like just the lamest thing. Well, aren't you? Your high notes are a great thing, isn't it? Fiona, when you think about when you were 18, 19, 20, when you're doing all those things like even me, tripping over now is the funniest thing. Imagine me, imagine you watching me trip over and you piss drunk. You'd be hysterical. You'd be on the floor like literally, you'd be rolling around on the floor laughing.
Speaker 3:Yes, there is a very memorable tripping slipping over with yourself, but also with one of my former uni friends, the Thomas. It was very.
Speaker 2:See, there you go.
Speaker 3:It was a very icy evening Formal. It was a very icy evening we were walking along.
Speaker 2:Imagine if you weren't there that night.
Speaker 3:Yes, there was a few of us as well, which made it better, it was quite a few of us as well, which made it better. There was quite a lot of us just walking along. I think it's this way if we just cut through here, we get to the place sooner this is how he talked and yeah, yeah, those legs went flying in the air. It was quite icy, I think maybe he was moving along he was going a brisk walking to get there quicker, but I just remember the Jesus Christ.
Speaker 3:yeah, I'm not exaggerating, that's what it was. Legs in the air, massive Jesus Christ, jesus.
Speaker 2:Christ. See.
Speaker 3:It was sensational.
Speaker 2:And if you hadn't had any alcohol at that point, would it have been as funny?
Speaker 3:These people that go all nice, how sober, you know, fuck me, good for you. But the thing is, yeah, night's out sober, you know, fuck me, good for you, good for you. But the thing is, yeah, of course you can do it if you, if you really had to, yeah. But one one for me personally why would you and it is very difficult to have a conversation with someone who's pissed, and it's not even. It's not the person who's pissed, it's not even really their fault a lot of times, just they're pissed.
Speaker 2:You can't, you can't like start talking about anything meaningful when someone's pissed but who's talking about meaningful shit when they're, when you're out drunk but just having a conversation with anyone about anything even if you just go. Oh so, mate, you know you want to leave in 10 minutes oh, no, party, yeah, that's the problem.
Speaker 2:Oh, this, no, that's the problem, you start slurring your words and like obviously I start I start having a low tolerance if I'm sober. I start having a low tolerance because I'm just like will you hurry the fuck up and come on? Yes yes, so yeah, I get that, but then you just have a drink and just get on with it.
Speaker 3:There was a no, no, no, there was this particular gimp who just used to be out all the time and just sober. Yeah, the designated driver. I was like, mate, just fucking stay at home, home, no, no, I want you as a designated driver. He's got a taxi, like and I'm saying everyone, I keep saying everyone. I have to remember all this is me, all this advice is is is advice from myself. Talking about advice, all that push off, push off the podcast is advice from me to me. Does that make sense? So all this is like, well, you know a lot of people. It's just, it's just bad habit. I can't say a lot of people and well, I think, I think habit. I say a lot of people.
Speaker 3:Well, I think most people. Well, maybe. But remember, it's all about me. I'm talking to myself, okay. So, if people relate, they're like oh yeah, okay, I relate with that. If they don't.
Speaker 2:What if I put a mirror here instead of me being here? Come on yeah, would that actually get me out of doing this podcast?
Speaker 3:To a point. I'd get a better conversation. Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah, so does that mean, I can go?
Speaker 3:You're missing the point here, though, aren't you, fiona? Do you hear what I'm saying? Do you understand what I am saying?
Speaker 2:Yes, ben you're giving advice to yourself. Do you know where that's from?
Speaker 3:No, it's from South Park when Butters becomes a pimp. Yes, I understand what you are saying. Okay, okay, bitch. Yes, do you know what I'm talking about? Yes, when he speaks like that. Yes, ben, do you understand what I am saying?
Speaker 2:Yes, do you understand what I'm saying? No, no, that's not about us, oh right.
Speaker 3:That's not funny. Right whatever Ben Just crack on, will you? So, yes, you, I'm saying is this could be it, this could be the viral one. It's rough. It's no one's prepared for it, but this could be it. I could be uh gaming the system, or or uh finding a hack, I don't know Right, so anyway.
Speaker 2:So I think that makes sense, okay, okay, back to the person that the game the designated driver.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh, just terrible, fucking terrible. And of course they were the pick, they were the phone out. Yeah, like we all did it. You know, we all had the phone up, didn't? We took pictures and people are bloody well, that's the problem you need to do that, but that that's all this person did. And then the next day, oh yeah bloody hell, mate. You'd had a few. Oh, will you fuck off? Honestly, no one wants you there. No one wants you there. No one wants you there.
Speaker 2:Actually, funny enough, I was just having this conversation with your mum about, like that's, one of the main problems with going out now in a larger group of friends is that there's always that one person with the phone out and documenting everything and putting out their stories and all of that. And I can't bear it because it puts you an edge all the time. You can't actually get up and have a dance because when you're pissed you're fucking all over the place, you're staggering all over the place. You, you're doing shit. You think you look like fucking god's gift and it answer you. Actually don't. You look like a sack of shit, but you don't want to see the evidence of it I don't think you don't want to see the evidence of it.
Speaker 2:And then it puts you an edge when you see somebody with a camera in your face all night and you're just like shove the camera up your fucking arse and get the fuck out of my face and enjoy your night instead of just recording it. That's very impressive.
Speaker 3:That's a good point actually, because, yeah, I probably missed that, Just about missed the whole, not social media, but the obsession with every single second getting documented, every single snippet going on people's stories. The stories was around, wasn't it but?
Speaker 2:I think it was still. Yeah, we kind of missed. I remember a couple of times when we were a night night at work.
Speaker 3:Snapchat it was annoying it was annoying.
Speaker 2:Um, so then you just kind of stopped going to those places and you just hang out with people who you know is not going to do that.
Speaker 3:That's all part of this. It's all part of the setup, though, isn't it? It's because people have to look how much of a good time I'm having. I'm having such a great time I've got a document every fucking second of it.
Speaker 2:But they're doing it at someone else's expense, because they're not recording themselves doing stuff, they're recording other people doing the stuff. So it's not at that person's expense. It's another person's expense that they're doing it.
Speaker 3:Yes, said Gimp that I was talking about. I was like imagine documenting his evening Sitting there. Oh yeah, yeah, put that on your fucking stories, mate. I'm very loud then Just standing there. Oh, let's probably shoot off soon, fucking. Shoot off then and don't fucking come back. Yeah, turn the fucking camera around. I'm a year 3 am. And document your evening. How's it going? See what people think of that, you miserable gimp. Yeah, get out.
Speaker 2:All right, can I have some?
Speaker 3:science. That's a good point, though isn't it Okay.
Speaker 2:Oh the camera. Oh, look at this.
Speaker 3:Yes, Flip it. Look at you. Yeah, how are you getting on?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because from my point of view it's a bit blurry, but it looks fucking shit from over there.
Speaker 2:I remember when I used to go out on nights out and not drink, I used to just go to people's houses. I never used to go to a club because I knew I'd be a miserable cunt going into a club with no drink in it.
Speaker 3:No, I swear on YouTube so.
Speaker 2:I used to just, oh sorry, youtube, so I used to try our fun. That's the great irony, isn't it? Yeah, yeah, the night gets binned, yeah, once you get to a nightclub.
Speaker 3:The second, you leave the house. Yeah, yeah, but you can't not do it. You can't be getting pissed and then going to bed.
Speaker 2:I wonder, if it's like this now, like one of the student houses in Canterbury, would it be the same? Would you be having a crack in time?
Speaker 3:Who knows, I can imagine the conversation's pretty fucking bleak.
Speaker 2:We were in uni in around the same time, weren't we Give or take? Yes. So like that was the era where you'd do pre-drinks and then you'd go out and you'd get fucking trollied, but it was never as good. You would have your good nights out, obviously, but nine times out of 10, the house parties were the best part.
Speaker 3:That was my point. You would have had I feel like you've had infinitely better nights out than. I have but. I did have good nights out, it was just a lot of times around the wrong type of people.
Speaker 2:Did you ever see that video that I had on the house party of our house? I will show you that there no.
Speaker 3:Was it wacky? Yeah, it was brilliant.
Speaker 2:Literally, there were so many people there, it was just such a crack oh house parties.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2:We got a few noise complaints after that, unfortunately, I think.
Speaker 3:I wasn't a huge fan of house parties. Actually, I think maybe because probably again I was again most people in the house I was like I don't really like it the problem.
Speaker 2:another one or two people come and then the next thing you've got 25 people in your house and you're just like oh shit where's the speakers?
Speaker 3:Like the night of my graduation, did you have a good night yeah.
Speaker 2:I think so that was like literally a night out for me, all night.
Speaker 3:Oh well, lucky bloody year.
Speaker 2:Because it was fun. They had the music going, they had the drinks flowing. You were around good people who there's no fucking dickhead with a camera in your face, because me and my friends were very similar.
Speaker 3:And we don't have that. Oh, there's plenty of pictures from that evening. Fiona, yes, of course there must have been some dickheads, but I was the one taking the pictures. Oh, you were the dickhead.
Speaker 2:But I wasn't video recording at people's expense was I? I was taking pictures because it was just. It was my graduation.
Speaker 3:We were having a lovely time. Not a lot of fitness chat going on here, no, no, well, it's booze. It's an interesting subject, you know. You could be here just just recounting stories and and yeah, how am I coming across? I just keep whinging about how, how it how you hate everybody I imagine a lot of people look at this. Oh god, yeah or ben, if you look to the mirror and thought you're the one who sucks I was gonna say I have looked to the mirror and, yes, I can confirm I'm not the one who sucks.
Speaker 3:But yes, no, of course, yeah, of course. As I said, I'm sure a lot of people thought, oh God, that bad guy.
Speaker 2:But you will Fucking hell.
Speaker 3:He's a bit too much, isn't he? He needs to fuck off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but the problem is with you is I would say, I'm a quick drinker, but fuck me, you'd have three drinks gone into space. You swallow your drink, you literally take one drink and it's gone. Yeah, bad habit, very bad habit.
Speaker 3:It's interesting because it's the whole social side and it's the boredom side. It's, yeah, because it's never enjoyed. I was never sipping that cloudy lemonade and vodka going. Hmm, this is a lovely vintage. It was just like oh let's just get pissed as soon as possible. Oh, taxis are here. Oh, let's get away from these fucking gims.
Speaker 2:That's the problem, though. You need to get into wine, because I think you would actually enjoy a glass of wine not occasionally?
Speaker 3:Yeah, well, potentially yeah, but then we've moved on. I don't, it's not required. I'd rather just eat. Do you want a lovely, lovely bottle of red, or do you want some popcorn? I'll have some popcorn.
Speaker 2:I'll have the red, but yes, there's lots of there's lots of interesting things, isn't there?
Speaker 3:this is the sort of thing that you just in the future, when you've got, when you've got the thousand true fans, you just sit here on a live stream. People just go. God you know, recount your wackiest night out, recount this. You know, what did you do here? What did you do there? Oh God, let me tell you, because people want to know.
Speaker 2:I think one of my best nights out my best days out was there was an Ireland and England rugby game on in the Jolly. It was on a Sunday.
Speaker 3:Oh, Sunday and it was good.
Speaker 2:It was good, it was really good, and it wasn't that like we were messy, drunk or anything like that, it was just. The atmosphere was amazing. We watched the game. We were up dancing on the bars, the tables and everyone was just there for the crack, and it was just fun. And then we went home. There was no nightclub, we just went home. Yeah right.
Speaker 2:And I think that's probably why it was one of the best days. We were shoved out of the pub, so it wasn't like it was nine o'clock, we were going home, it was like two o'clock, but we didn't move from the pub all day long and it was just so fun.
Speaker 3:So fun. How was that fiona? Was that good?
Speaker 2:that was really good. Ben, you're still a miserable cunt bass boy yeah, I gotta take the picture.
Speaker 3:Yeah, god, oh, why are you here?
Speaker 2:I don't want to be here I got that. I got that bad, I just took seen an opportunity. Yeah, 40 49.
Speaker 3:That was another reason as well with the food, linking with the food I used to. I think towards the end not not the first few years of my drinking career, but I think towards the end when I was like drinking career I was, I was getting, I was getting bored. It was just the same bit like doing the same stuff it was just like fucking hell just need to get out.
Speaker 3:And then it was me trying to get out early and then going to mcdonald's, then getting the 40 nuggets or getting you extra large doner kebab. That's probably one of the reasons I was going out Quite bored, probably a little bit miserable, just drifting around. God, this sucks. Yeah, will I go out? Yeah, because of that, because of the treat. At the end I couldn't justify it. I couldn't just go to McDonald's and get 40 nuggets sober, because then I'd feel a lot worse. What if you get pissed first and get that bit done, spend you know four times the amount of money and then get the nuggets or get the doner kebab?
Speaker 2:It's like oh well, it's all part of the routine, but why do you do that? Why can't you just go to McDonald's and get a burger?
Speaker 3:Why do you have to get five burgers chips? Look, why did your eyes? Basically? Why this? For me, this, this is maybe because at this stage I I was maybe being, I was maybe a bit more conscious of my, of what I was eating in my diet. So, away from booze, I was exercising a bit more, I was being more mindful of what I was eating, probably not eating enough. I was probably on a diet all the time. So if I, if I'm restricting my calories and I'm being ott with it, get to the weekend, start boozing, that's it. I wasn't there going. Oh my god, oh, I need some nuggets because I have some booze.
Speaker 2:It was like, oh yeah, oh yeah, gates are open, let's go, let's do it because if I, if I went if so not really mcdonald's, because mcdonald's I'm a mcflurry type of girl, like I'll burger or whatever but, for example, if we got a Domino's pizza right now, I would probably have two, maybe three slices of it pretty big slices, two or three slices of that Whereas if I was drinking and I came home and had the same pizza, I'd probably polish it off, yeah. Why.
Speaker 2:Why is that? And you don't even, you don't even. You're there slopping the food into you. You're not even eating the food, you're slopping it in, I think everyone's got it in them?
Speaker 3:I think everyone's got it. Oh, I think they're done it everyone has to. Everyone has to control how much they eat. That's just the way it is, isn't it? Everyone depending on where they are with their diet and how they look at food and drink, and calories, but why don't you get that full feeling?
Speaker 3:Deep down, even the people who are the most strictest people in the world. Like me, I'm very strict these days. If someone went oh don't worry, you can eat that There'll be no damage, just keep going, just go forever, wouldn't I? If a Domino's pizza turned up right now, I'd be like, oh no, thanks, because I've done all that. So I'm probably on the extreme, where it's all been done, I treat myself. I'd rather have none of it, or I can have a nibble and just go. That's it.
Speaker 3:You see, I can't do that I've done it to death. I've done it and I've also been miserable. I've done it on the nights out. I've had infinite doner kebabs, I've had the nuggets, I've had it all as part of the routine, as part of the night sale, and I'm done with that now. So I'm not, I'm not restricting myself, I'm just I just don't like that food anymore. I'm just so bored of it because I did it to death. Oh, why we have why we have?
Speaker 2:why can't we just go in and get five? What's a normal pack of chicken nuggets? Six? Yeah, it's probably so why couldn't you just go in and get six?
Speaker 3:chicken nuggets.
Speaker 2:Why did you have to get 20, I think, for me personally it was.
Speaker 3:I used to get two boxes sometimes, yeah, so 40 nuggets yeah and did you get chippies with that as? Well, yeah, I used to get a large, big mac meal a big nuggets with the 40 nuggets, yeah did you get a mcflurry too?
Speaker 2:if it was, if there was there we used to get my flores yeah, that used to be my thing normally the machine was off.
Speaker 3:We all know about the machine, but it needs cleaning.
Speaker 2:No, I think, oh god I'm very itchy, so you said what's wrong with me?
Speaker 3:you're fine there's a lot wrong with you. Who said that? A lot of people if you're, you know, reasonably good during the week, or you're on a diet and then you have a couple of drinks, the inhibitions go, don't they? And you've lost it, you think. But then also it's similar to when you eat one too many cookies, or you eat the cake and you think, oh, fuck it, that's it, I just eat the cake.
Speaker 3:Booze inhibitions go down. It's like like, oh, that's it, oh, whatever, oh, whatever. Or you've been so restrictive for me again, me personally so restrictive during the week, exercise a lot, not, you know, barely eating anything game over. I think for me, the self control is out the window.
Speaker 2:I think for me it's a bit of gluttony, to be fair, because if I, if I have a meal before I went out and then if I had, if I wasn't hungry but everyone else was eating, I'd just eat because everyone else is. What's that place called in chemistry, after chem, where it was so cold, you'd literally go to the chipper to get a curry cheese chip to warm up. That's another thing Curry cheese chip. Right right. Anyways, go on science shit.
Speaker 3:Where should we, god, look at the time? Oh, my God, oh, where do you start? Yeah, we've got. Oh, let me just rattle off some notes. I'm just going to rattle off. We're not going to talk about them, I'm just going to just say some stuff. Oh, so the firming effect of booze is actually more than carbs and fats. That's quite interesting, isn't it? What do you?
Speaker 2:mean.
Speaker 3:So you remember TEF, we talked about TEF. Yes.
Speaker 3:Yes, protein's the highest carbs and fats. Fats are the lowest. Booze is higher than carbs and fats. I think it's about 20%, so it's not quite as high as protein. But your body, and then we'll get into this. It works hard off reasonably quick. But if you, if you're sinking those beers, if you have one or two, maybe get away with it. If you're having 10, that body's working overtime still burning it reasonably fast ish, more than carbs and fats, but it's, it's struggling but your liver can't keep up with that, can it?
Speaker 3:yes that's the problem newborns of alcoholic mothers spend far less time in rem sleep. We're getting to the whole rem sleep during the sleep episode. We'll wait. When babies drink milk containing alcohol, their REM sleep reduces by 30%.
Speaker 2:Why are you talking about babies?
Speaker 3:Oh well, I've just got I don't know adults. I've just got various notes about how alcohol affects different people. Oh, right. So I've just got stuff about newborns and alcoholic mothers. Oh, right, okay quite mothers, oh right, okay, pretty depressing, but yeah. So ideally, try not to drink when you're pregnant, not the best right.
Speaker 2:I want to know how it affects me.
Speaker 3:So well, maybe, god forbid, in the future this might affect you. Those lines might start affecting you. Nothing to do with me, but they might have any wine what's that? Oh, choose your indulgence, because if you have it all the time, it's not a treat anymore. Oh yeah, okay, that's not not. Well, that's linked with alcohol, wasn't it? If you're drinking and eating and having all these these treats all the time?
Speaker 2:you get fed up of it well, maybe, but it's not an indulgence it's like at christmas time I drank way more than I should have at christmas time and I didn't drink anything for the whole month of january because I was so fed up of it. And I enjoy my one glass of wine at the weekend, two maybe yeah, but if you started drinking wine every night? No, I wouldn't enjoy it anymore it's not an indulgence anymore.
Speaker 3:I think it depends.
Speaker 2:I think it really does depend on what you drink and how you drink as well. Like I drink wine for enjoyment, because I enjoyed a glass of wine, but I wouldn't sit here in the house and have a bottle of beer, or I wouldn't sit down and have a vodka and coke, and I drink wine because I enjoy drinking it.
Speaker 3:Long on a nice tea.
Speaker 2:That's why I don't like going out to the pubs and drinking wine in the pubs, because obviously you're then not enjoying it. You're drinking it to get drunk, if that makes sense right or you can have a few beers and you can knock them back in a pub, but a few glasses of wine. You're just like, oh fuck this yeah, 90.
Speaker 3:95% of alcoholic beverages that I've consumed is based on me getting drunk yeah pretty, pretty depressing, not good.
Speaker 2:I just love a glass of wine at home preferably um, oh, I've got.
Speaker 3:Obviously I said about the uh, drink out of boredom, social events, anxiety, all that sort of stuff. Uh, yeah, yeah, I talked about that. I would struggle to do that. I would struggle to do the basics dance, tolerate people, oh yeah, like dancing, fucking hell yeah, that's what I mean you think.
Speaker 2:Can you imagine?
Speaker 3:trying to dance sober in these nightclubs again fair. I know people that can do it. They can go out and they can have no drinks and they get into the swing of it like, but you know, maybe I push I could because, to be fair, you're gonna, if you're gonna get away with it, it's gonna be there because 99 of people are pissed you ain't gonna see me doing a slut drop when I'm drunk okay, I don't know those little legs, you can die, you can't do that it's hard to get back up yeah, yeah, but if you're gonna get away with it, you would, wouldn't you?
Speaker 3:really? If you're gonna start, you know, jigging around everyone's, most of the people in there will be under the influence yeah so they're not gonna go.
Speaker 2:I look at that, look at that, unless you've got dickhead in the corner with the fucking phone out oh yeah, yeah yeah but yes, you might get away with it, but still probably probably not doing it.
Speaker 3:I would yeah, I'd struggle to start hitting the dance floor yeah with no drinks in me you need your Dutch courage.
Speaker 2:You need to get those movements everything loosened up a little bit.
Speaker 3:It's just, it's fun, isn't it because you want to enjoy you. You don't want to go on a dance floor and be like do the old dad moves? Because you're like oh God, I'm not going to get people to see me. I'm not the best dancer.
Speaker 2:Yeah, when you've had a few drinks you don't give a shit.
Speaker 3:Am I a good dancer?
Speaker 2:You've got a really happy head on you.
Speaker 3:I'm not a bad dancer.
Speaker 2:I'm not much hip movement.
Speaker 3:Yeah, look at this ribbon.
Speaker 2:There's not much. You're sober. There's not much hip movement going on. What You're a bit stiff on the hips.
Speaker 3:No. I'm not stiff, no, you're joking Ben.
Speaker 2:I haven't seen you dance drunk in years, you can tell by these moves?
Speaker 3:Why?
Speaker 2:don't you get up Ben. Get up Come on no, go on Ben. All right, we're not there yet.
Speaker 3:All right, okay, god, this is long.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's really long.
Speaker 3:This is long. How do I look on camera? Shit, I'm very twitchy. I think I'm very twitchy. It's probably why I've not edited this episode, just to see how horrendous I look yes, yes, yes that's what we're consuming. Uh, so when you drink alcohol, it is rapidly absorbed from the stomach and the intestines into the bloodstream. The liver primarily metabolizes alcohol, so that's a big thing as well. So when you start boozing the energy system, the body, the liver, everything else is kind of forgotten to a point.
Speaker 2:So everything, so try it's a toxin in your body.
Speaker 3:Yes, so try it, try and have a meal, Because it's a toxin in your body. Yes. So try and have a meal. You know we've heard all this. Try and get that meal in Carbs and proteins. Fats not as much before the boozing, just because fats takes longer to metabolize. So carbs and proteins a little bit quicker. If you're training as well, you want that protein synthesis to keep ticking over, because alcohol blunts that as well. So not great for recovery, Not great if you've just gymed or you've just exercised and then get straight on the booze.
Speaker 3:I don't know. It's like a percentage how protein synthesis is affected by 40% or something. We'll just make that up. But around that figure, if you exercise and you have some protein, but then you start boozing soon after. Not the best, Not the best, but you know, exercise is great. Primarily metabolizes alcohol using several enzymes, including ADH, ALDH no one needs to know what they are, they're just different enzymes To convert ethanol first into then a toxic compound, and then all this gets further broken down into water and carbon dioxide for elimination one to two, I think ethanol I think 90 of it is is metabolized by the body, and then the other 10 is excreted through breathing and urine is that
Speaker 2:correct and sweat that's why you stink the following day. Yes, so it's only 10%.
Speaker 3:That's not a lot, but it still has an effect on there.
Speaker 2:So is that why you wake up in the middle of the night? Well, not in the middle of the night, but you wake up after a night out and you have, like, really, really low blood sugars.
Speaker 3:Well, hang on, we'll get to this. Yes, the hyperglycemia.
Speaker 2:Yes, obviously your body's so focused on breaking down the toxin it's forgetting to do other jobs.
Speaker 3:Are you scratching your balls? No, I'm not, I'm just pulling. They were just getting stuck to the pants. I wasn't scratching fear, that's no, we're doing that. Yes, yes, we're going to get to that. Yeah. We're getting into that now. Uh so the impact on the liver now in a minute. Who says that who says where's that from? Who says now, in a minute? Me oh right, you do. Yeah right. Impact on the liver and glucose production oh, thank you, ben right, I've interrupted so the liver also plays a crucial role in managing blood sugar levels.
Speaker 3:It stores glucose in the form of glycogen. Do you know glycogen in? The muscles. Yeah, it helps you fuel the workouts and all that stuff. Yeah, have we talked about glycogen? Yep.
Speaker 3:Have we Yep Right? It stores glucose in the form of glycogen and releases into the bloodstream as needed to as it's needed. This is terrible, yes, terrible notes. I put down it as needed to maintain stable blood sugar levels. Okay, right, does that make sense? Yes, which is between four and eight millimoles however, when metabolizing alcohol, the liver prioritizes breaking down ethanol over all other processes, including the release of glucose. Yes, that links into the first part.
Speaker 3:Number three hypoglycemia oh bracket low blood sugar, right. So yes, this diversion of liver function can lead to a decrease in the release of glucose into the bloodstream. Yeah, especially if the liver's glycogen stores are low. So the liver glycogen that's? That's a separate thing from muscle glycogen, isn't it? Yep, yes, yes, normally fill up our liver glycogen with fruits. The result can be what's the result?
Speaker 2:Hypo.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 2:Hypochemic episode, or DASH.
Speaker 3:Yes, so lower than normal blood sugar levels Right, which can cause feelings of hunger, dizziness, confusion and even severe cases of Loss of consciousness.
Speaker 2:No, I think it's meant to sorry, it's meant to read, and even in severe cases, seizures, but I, the notes were terrible. Okay, does that all make sense? Yes, it does, ben, it does I've had an experience of that myself, right when I woke up after too much alcohol oh, I see I had to eat. I was in thailand at the time we should add that there's a lot.
Speaker 3:There's a lot of sugar as well, and a lot of these alcohols isn't there as well. Which isn't which? Is you know, naturally, your blood sugar levels. All over the place, insulin's coming into play. Yes, yes, you just interrupted me. Oh sorry, I was telling everyone my story.
Speaker 2:We're just mentioning the sugar okay, okay, yeah sorry, please okay, thank you, thank you insulin's next. All right, can I? Can I proceed? All right, okay, and um, I, I had one too many to drink one night. Oh, interesting, very, very, very too much oh dear and didn't eat anything shameful when I got home. Unfortunately, no takeaways no nuggets it was actually pad thais no 7-11 no, maybe I had a cheese toast there's no, cheese toast can't remember anyways, woke up at god knows what time the room was boiling because it was only a fan.
Speaker 2:There was no agua, there was no nothing, so I had to eat a warm banana to get my sugar levels up. I was literally dead in the bed. I was shaken, I was sweating. It was absolutely horrific. I had to eat a warm banana.
Speaker 3:Hungover, feeling sick and eating a warm banana which was a little bit black as well, that's what you get good good.
Speaker 2:Some world of story is always have snacks in your bag or just don't drink as much you probably don't think about it, especially when you a few drinks in.
Speaker 3:But the the sugar, the sugar content in in most alcohols that you're drinking as well oh yeah, remember.
Speaker 2:but remember what was it? Back in the day we used to have Fat frogs? Remember then? Did you have a fat?
Speaker 3:frog, a fat frog.
Speaker 2:Yeah so it was like WKD, smurloff and something else all mixed together and then the result was a really green drink, but you used to have it in a pint glass, so it was in a pint glass and it was green full of sugar, full of fucking sugar, absolutely rammed full of sugar, oh and there used to be skittle drinks as well, where you'd put, you'd have your vodka or whatever.
Speaker 3:I think it was like just vodka and lemonade, and you used to grab a handful of skittles oh yes and just put your skittles in a drink yes, no, we made that at uni, but we actually did actually made proper skittle vodka where we got the filters and filtered out all the vodka and all the skittles. Oh yeah, all sorts of stuff. Yeah, jesus, so it was flavour. Yeah, that was horrendous. That was the only time that I was able to drink vodka straight. That was absolutely.
Speaker 2:that was fucking horrendous actually, on my 18th birthday I made vodka jelly shots, so that was straight vodka, but obviously it was mixed with water. I can't stand this.
Speaker 3:They're so fucking goo goo, aren't they? They're good. Vodka shot, jelly shot, oh, fuck off.
Speaker 2:Well, I made them. They were very nice and you weren't allowed to enter my house without a vodka shot. Oh God.
Speaker 3:So there's a lot of sickness that night. Can you imagine like imagine?
Speaker 2:your nights out. Imagine that, and then you just stare.
Speaker 3:Imagine the stand. Yeah, but that's the irony. The great irony of it all was, like you said, I'm a lot of fun. You know, I'm Ben, I'm crazy, I'm a lot of fun, but I'm just, I'm just so like, oh, everything about it, but that's you about everything, Ben, it's you about life, yeah well yeah it was you know it's like again it's this is me, this is me, I'm, this is me.
Speaker 3:It's just the gimpiness of it all, isn't it? In a big group of people. You just had to go through it, didn't you? Maybe we should go out and get drunk, bonnie, what do you think? Oh, maybe, yeah, but yeah, you see that. So I go to something like that and there'd be maybe one or two people out of like 30 where I'd be like, yeah, these, these people are palatable, and the other people bouncing around going jelly shot anyone?
Speaker 2:oh no, not really remember the last time I went out in canterbury and you really gave out to me the next day because that was all really late. I didn't answer you. You were meant to pick me up, but I never told you, so you waited up for me and you got really cross with me probably.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, I. I prioritize my sleep these days. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anything after nine o'clock it's a problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I didn't go home until like one.
Speaker 3:Interesting Two. Maybe that is a real problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, no, because I was in Tingy's house, wasn't I?
Speaker 3:I don't want to hear excuses. Oh my sorry, that's a real fucking problem.
Speaker 2:Well to be fair, I was over down by the penny and there was no yeah Could have texted you Just having a good time. Yeah, you know what it's like Time flies when you haven't thought. I wasn't thinking about you in bed, ben, looking at the clock, but I got a frosty response. It was definitely a silent Sunday.
Speaker 3:Well, it's disturbing of the sleep. That's the issue, isn't it?
Speaker 2:I didn't disturb you, though. I just got into back and just gone, ben nuggets and jelly shot.
Speaker 3:Oh God, thanks for waking me up, love.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think that would have been a relationship breakdown if I woke you up that night.
Speaker 3:Yeah, look, maybe it's me.
Speaker 2:Maybe it's me. Maybe it's me You're the issue, ben, I'm just no fun.
Speaker 3:I'm the funnest person in the room, but I'm also.
Speaker 2:The most miserable cunt.
Speaker 3:Yes, weird, very odd, odd, though isn't it Really weird, really weird sound.
Speaker 2:I don't think I'm a miserable cunt. That's not just me saying that.
Speaker 3:That's just. You know, you've had first hand, You've had people come up but then I'm sitting, I'm sitting there going like god, they those times sucked yeah they were rubbish strange remember the first time I met you.
Speaker 2:That night out we went on a night out for our first night. That was a fun night. You drank me under the fucking table are we giving actually any actual advice? Oh so, for example, let's give some quick advice fuck me it's one hour ten.
Speaker 3:We've not even done the film. You got a true crime episode this week. Yes, I do. Thank God, okay. Advice so yes. So the gins slimline tonics?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's what I was going to say.
Speaker 3:Do you have any?
Speaker 2:low calorie drinks Ben.
Speaker 3:Right. Well, there's one, the only issue with the gins.
Speaker 2:They're so downable.
Speaker 3:You drink them, them too fast so in some ways depending, depending, what, what, what you, what you want from the evening.
Speaker 3:But if you get a pint of guinness or a pint I know some people can down pint as well, but I don't know maybe, maybe for some, maybe for some, if you get like, if you get a pint of guinness compared to a gin and tonic fucking yeah, gin and tonic, a single gin might be what like 60 calories, you get double, it's close to 100. Say a guinness be what like 60 calories, you get a double, it's close to 100, say, A Guinness is what like 230, 240 calories.
Speaker 3:So yeah, you're doing all right there, but a pint of Guinness compared to a gin and tonic, even a double. By the time you've had that Guinness, you're potentially going to have drunk at least two gins, maybe three.
Speaker 2:So the calories are In around the same.
Speaker 3:Well, yeah, if not more, but that's the only issue with having these slimmer tonic drinks.
Speaker 2:Do you know what? I have a real issue with Non-alcoholic alcohol. Non-alcoholic drinks Because they have the same amount of calories in them.
Speaker 3:It doesn't make any sense For people who really like alcoholic beverages, then go for it. Have a Coke. Some people like the booze and they like sitting in the summer gardens, but you're not drinking. Oh, does it keep you, is it?
Speaker 2:more social, is it? Instead of having a diet coke, you have your low calorie beer. Just tell everyone it's a vodka coke.
Speaker 3:Then yeah, but you like the taste of booze and you like I don't mind, so someone went to you. Oh, come over. To come over to this event. We're having, um, do you want to? Do you want a beer that's got no alcohol in it? You might go, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, I did before because obviously, when I was in Carrick a couple of times I used to drive.
Speaker 3:Yes, if you're trying to watch your calories and you're not drinking, maybe just don't do that at all. If you're not drinking and also being mindful of what you drink, your calories, just stick to the water or the diet, the diet stuff, yeah, well, whatever advice before we move on any more low calorie drinks ben well, gin's gin, and gin is the is the lowest one and then vodka well, yeah, well, yeah, gin vodka.
Speaker 3:And then it gets. It gets a bit high as you get into the jack daniels. What's jack daniels is that? Was that whiskey? Is it bour? I don't know, bourbon, jack Daniels? My knowledge of alcohol is fucking terrible.
Speaker 2:I've got absolutely no idea what anything is. What would you say?
Speaker 3:is the most heaviest one Calorie, heavy Wine. What?
Speaker 2:would it be In terms of what? Just alcohol in general?
Speaker 3:Yeah, what would it be? But wine, wine, the glasses are. It depends if you're having a pre-drinks I guess you're you're a bit looser on the the portion of wine, so then a glass would be worth two glasses, I imagine, if you went out and had a glass of wine compared to pre-drinks glass of wine just going back to the sweet thing that you were saying, the sugar content.
Speaker 2:Is that why although I do have sugar free, seven up? But is that why I prefer a white wine with a dash of 7-Up in it? Because of the sweetness. Well, you tell me Because. I can't drink a glass of white wine without something in it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but isn't that not because you had that moment, that time when you had like five bottles of rosé or something?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I haven't drank rosé since. Oh, right no that wasn't white, it was ros, it was your author. Oh no, I'm not touching that ever again?
Speaker 3:well, I don't know, is white wine quite white wine's quite sweet, isn't it?
Speaker 2:anyway. No, it depends. It depends which one you get. Yeah, exactly, I have a sauvignon, so I think it's quite dry there's connoisseur over.
Speaker 3:I'm not a connoisseur. Yeah, cloudy lemonade and vodka, that was so. That's my uni diet. I need to write Once I start becoming the, I do the email. Yes, proceed. The university diet from second year onwards. So Tesco value chicken frozen vegetables. No, sorry, sorry breakfast. Oats with eggs in Normally egg whites Used to throw the yolks away. Too many calories. Oats with egg whites in Not bad, actually I might make that.
Speaker 2:I see your man having fucking chicken nuggets 40 chicken nuggets at the night out well, compared to oats and egg whites, I think.
Speaker 3:I think it's probably a little bit better, isn't?
Speaker 2:it. That's what I mean. That's what I mean. What's the point in throwing the yolks out when you're having 40 chicken nuggets at the end of the night?
Speaker 3:well, this, this gives you the manoeuvrability to have the nuggets. All right, go on. And then lunch. What was lunch? Oh, lunch was a soup. A soup with maybe some rice crackers, if I was really pushing the boat out. And then dinner a frozen chicken with some vegetables, fucking hell. So I was probably eating about I don't know just over a thousand calories.
Speaker 2:But you were quite a Thompson uni, weren't you?
Speaker 3:First year. Second year onwards that's when I started to I just stopped eating. Basically that was my diet. And then clouded lemonade Sugar free, of course, diet. Clouded lemonade and then vodka.
Speaker 2:And then 40 chicken nuggets and a Big Mac.
Speaker 3:No no, I feel like the 40 chicken nuggets that came later, that came sort of post-uni. Actually I wasn't really a big McDonald's guy in the old. Oh yeah, that's when we were coming towards the end and I was like this needs to stop. I've really had enough of this. Now getting older, it's like that's when the nuggets came in but enough about, enough about me and my and my 20s. God tough time.
Speaker 2:Shall we go get my flurry? Maybe, maybe later.
Speaker 3:Yeah, cool right. We need to come on that linked in, do you Maybe later?
Speaker 2:Yeah, cool Right we need to come on that LinkedIn. Do you have any other more science shit to talk about? Yes, yeah, I've got pages and pages of notes here. Fiona, Of course I fucking have.
Speaker 3:I think realistically, if you're still boozing heavily into your 30s, you've got a fucking problem.
Speaker 2:I think it depends on the job that you're in and it depends on the social situations.
Speaker 3:It might be more unavoidable to do, or you might just really really enjoy it still, just that's. That's you meet up your friends and every weekend is still that.
Speaker 2:But yeah, but most when you get to you, when you get to your terties or whatever, like you know, your priorities start to change. Your children start bouncing about, the house starts being bought yeah, so almost your weekends are spent like your session. Morning has been spending an hour or two cleaning and doing all that, your Sunday's been doing fucking shit, dog shit podcasts. So your priorities change.
Speaker 3:Sorry, misheard that part there's actually no time to do it and you need to be. You've got kids and you've got responsibilities. So even if you wanted to, it's like I can't afford to be having this raging hangover. It's not going to work.
Speaker 2:That's exactly my point. I'm meeting Tara in a couple of weeks in town and we're doing a bottomless brunch and the two of us were just like, oh my god, how are we going to cope? And it's not as though we're going to be sat there for two hours slugging a drink into us.
Speaker 3:Sorry, fiona, can you turn that light off? It's very bright.
Speaker 2:I can't get up because the radiator's and stuff.
Speaker 3:Oh, I might. No, no, no, ben, no, no, no, I'll wait for your return.
Speaker 2:I'll wait for your return. How's that?
Speaker 3:looking oh, that looks dingy, doesn't it? Yeah, is that dingy? Yeah, oh, for fuck's sake, this is how we normally have it.
Speaker 2:But we do it at 8am so it's not as bright. Use your fucking loaf.
Speaker 3:What the fuck was that?
Speaker 2:Oh, look, yeah, no, oh, my god, yeah, and I actually I am just not that I'm dreading it, I'm really looking forward to the company of it, company of Tower and whatnot, and being out and having a drink and having nice food.
Speaker 3:We shouldn't be using names on the podcast Fiona because people will go.
Speaker 2:Who is this person? Where does she?
Speaker 3:live, push for health. We don't like him. We're gonna kill all his friends and family okay, oh, my friend Billy.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go out with Billy and have drinks with him.
Speaker 3:Well, you said the name by now I think oh right okay.
Speaker 2:Well, they don't know, I could be using a pseudonym.
Speaker 3:Billy, who's Billy, who's Billy?
Speaker 2:He's my other man.
Speaker 3:Oh, I see.
Speaker 2:Anyways the thought of sitting there and drinking for two hours and I no doubt that we will be greedy and we would probably go for a drink afterwards.
Speaker 3:The idea of that is just it fills me with absolute fucking dread.
Speaker 2:It fills me with dread thinking about it Fuck off.
Speaker 3:Maybe you should hold hands during the podcast.
Speaker 2:You got cuties. What the fuck was that?
Speaker 3:Oh sorry Bo what.
Speaker 2:What's going on? Something just.
Speaker 3:Or someone infiltrated the Pushmore Half Garage.
Speaker 2:Right anyways.
Speaker 3:Or someone's trying to steal my secret. Any more shit, it's probably a microphone Any more science shit, and if you're trying to be a bit more mindful of your health, because we need to try and link this back into health a little bit we need to maybe try and find ways to limit that slightly potentially and here's the big word, ben Moderation. Yeah, but again, speaking from experience, I'm speaking to myself. The mirror's there, I'm there, I'm now teetotal and, as I said, the idea of it, well, I don't drink.
Speaker 2:I would say teetotal, because you had a drink at Christmas time.
Speaker 3:Pretty much teetotal, but yeah, well, new Year's. We had New Year's not this New Year's the year before I still had it.
Speaker 2:Last man standing, I still fucking knock it back. Jesus Christ and he died. Why should I eat? Before hitting the booze Ben. Why should I line my stomach?
Speaker 3:Oh, because of the term the teff shit that's why no, it just helps line the stomach and it just helps at least your body's metabolising the proteins and fats in a meal in your stomach so it's doing that? Because if it's not, it's then just straight away, bang, you're lacing yourself full of all this booze and then it's just metabolising that straight away. It's not metabolising that straight away, it's not even doing anything else, it's not even got anything to feed from. It's just got the booze to feed from.
Speaker 2:Cool.
Speaker 3:And then there's blood sugars Big trouble. So initially, if drinking occurs with or shortly after consuming carbs, there may be a spike in blood sugar levels. Yes, yes, yes.
Speaker 2:That makes sense, doesn't it? Insulin, yep, get it. Ben, I get it.
Speaker 3:Well, you know about insulin, don't you? Yes, I do, ben. So what's insulin? Just tell me what insulin is, and then I won't have to continue.
Speaker 2:Sugar Energy, huh. Energy.
Speaker 3:It's produced by your pancreas. I'll is the hormone responsible for facilitating facilitating the uptake of glucose. Yes, yes from the blood into the cells to then create glycogen, so eat. Insulin comes out. What are you doing, however? Because the liver's attention is directed is directed towards metabolizing alcohol, like we've spoken about forget to sort of jobs the usual balance between insulin and glucose released by the liver can be disrupted, potentially leading to hypoglycemia.
Speaker 2:Did you not just read this out?
Speaker 3:No, this is about insulin, what insulin's doing and how that's affected. Very similar Once the immediate glucose is utilised or stored. Oh, this is fucking terrible. Oh, this is fucking terrible.
Speaker 2:Yes, absolutely, it's good. It's good information. It's just, it's too, just so fucking boring. You're sitting there and you're high, or it's talking about fucking insulin and cells, so will you fuck off, fucking hell I think this, I think this is I'm actually almost unreleasable.
Speaker 3:This is what? Yeah, but this is the problem. I try to. I try to create the episode this way, just by just by reading it, just by reading it, not trying to say off the bat so instant. Let me try and explain insulin quickly, but without just reading what it is, because that's, it's just straightforward. Insulin is, this, is what it is. It's not straightforward, but I mean, if you just read it, what it actually does, you go, oh, okay, that's what it does, rather than me. Yeah, so let me talk about insulin. So, um, oh, here's an analogy for you, and it just makes it more complicated, isn't it?
Speaker 3:number five number five glucogen response oh fuck so glucogen is the hormone works opposite to insulin so it does does the opposite to insulin, which would be what.
Speaker 2:I don't know, I'm dead here.
Speaker 3:So if insulin is released when we eat blood sugar levels, yeah, what would Glucogen?
Speaker 2:You tell me You're the professor.
Speaker 3:That means I have to read this then.
Speaker 2:Read it then fucker.
Speaker 3:Glucogen is a hormone that works opposite to insulin, stimulating the liver to convert stored glycogen back into glucose and release it into the bloodstream, raising blood sugar levels. So you see the difference yeah, insulin is released to lower glucogen increases right oh, a bit of a battle going on there alcohol can impair the glucogen response to hyperglycemia, further complicating the body's ability to regulate blood sugar levels effectively. So, you've got glucogen insulin.
Speaker 2:Fighting.
Speaker 3:One's doing. One's trying to elevate the blood sugar, One's trying to.
Speaker 2:Lower it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it's a mess.
Speaker 2:It's a mess. Who's going to win?
Speaker 3:No one wins.
Speaker 2:That's why you feel like shit. That's why you have to have a soggy banana.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you lost.
Speaker 2:I lost.
Speaker 3:You're a loser, I am a loser so conclusion fucking hell when alcohol is consumed don't drink alcohol it metabolises.
Speaker 3:It's metabolism takes precedent in the liver, disrupting normal glucose production and release. Potentially oh sorry, potentially leading to hyperglycemia. We've talked about that. The immediate effects of alcohol can alter the balance between insulin and glucogen, yeah, leading to fluctuations in leading to fluctuations blood sugar levels over time. Chronic alcohol consumption can contribute to insulin resistance. That's a whole different thing entirely. And the risk of diabetes, different subject. Oh, I think that will do, won't it? Okay, that will do. Did that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yes, Very interesting, ben, very, very good. I loved it.
Speaker 3:It's not like it's hormones. That's a different.
Speaker 2:Don't go explaining it again.
Speaker 3:Ben no, we're talking about.
Speaker 2:You did a shit job, so just own it.
Speaker 3:No, I think, Just own it. That's word for word from the note. I think those notes make sense, I've just. They were too disrupted. It was like insulin, so let me tell you about my McDonald's.
Speaker 2:It was just who Me yawning. Boring, oh God, Right anyways what movie did we show Future?
Speaker 3:episode will be on hormones, because then we'll talk about insulin a bit more and make a bit more sense.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's reasonably straightforward.
Speaker 4:I'm going to pop the mirror up in front of you for that episode. It's just quite boring.
Speaker 2:Right, come on, come on.
Speaker 3:The Hangover. Oh, fuck me.
Speaker 2:How are we going to do this Hangover? Oh shit, Where's my notes.
Speaker 3:You said the Hangover alcohol. It sort of made sense.
Speaker 2:The Hangover a 7.7 out of 10 on the IMBD 2007 film. It was the first one that we did. Three buddies wake up from a bachelor party in Las Vegas with no memory of the previous night and the bachelor missing. They make their way around the city in order to find their friend before the wedding.
Speaker 3:Viva. Las Vegas been to Vegas no Ben, I have not loser so I've got a question for you. Oh, it's a place, it is a place, it is a fucking place.
Speaker 2:Sin City. Did you sin?
Speaker 3:How about that ride in? I guess that's why they call it Sin City, fuck's sake.
Speaker 2:Herpes will come back with you. Does it make?
Speaker 3:sense? Alan? Does it make sense? What's he talking about?
Speaker 2:Herpes will come back with you. That's the only thing that comes back that you're from. That's Vegas, ben, tell me, did it, did it? Herpes yeah, no herpes. Oh right, okay, not to my knowledge, not to my knowledge okay did you get the line I just dropped there from Alan? Yes, I did, I did. Yeah, I just didn't respond because you said it about three times. How? About that right in here he goes, here, he had that.
Speaker 2:Then when you wake up, and you've got zero collection of the night out the night and that you just haven't pretty much every night out.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, you're really bad actually pretty much every night again, yeah, a binge drinker that was do we make? That clear.
Speaker 2:That was a yeah, yeah, snippets of the night out and you just have these like little flashbacks and just, oh, fuck, yeah, that happened.
Speaker 3:Well, it's, it's. It's a bit of an odd, uh, dichotomy, isn't it, that you have all these nights out, nights out. That do you not want to remember. So you like it's almost. Oh, the better the night out, the less you remember of it oh yeah, hang on what? So you wake up and go oh god, how are you getting on? I don't remember a fucking thing. It was a good one, wasn't it?
Speaker 2:I can't remember, was it yeah?
Speaker 3:yeah, judging by the fact I can't remember leaving the pre-drinks. Yeah, it must have been. What's going on? It's just the way it is. Ben To a point, that was true, yeah, but unfortunately for me, that was pretty much every night out.
Speaker 2:But then you have, like your little flashbacks, all the fear. You're just like I can't remember last night, oh yeah. But then when you start getting old you're just like did I do that? Did I say that? Did I make a fool of myself?
Speaker 3:well, that links in with the did I fall when I slut dropped.
Speaker 2:Yes, I did. How often were you slut dropping dear god, it's just. It's just a thing.
Speaker 3:Ben, it's just a thing yeah, well, that links in, doesn't it again, to the, to the, the man or the woman, ha ha, yeah, photo. Maybe that's the wonder of it. That's why because you get the snippets, you don't remember the timeline. It's like hang on a minute. So it was like maybe I don't know midnight and we've gone from midnight to four o'clock and all this stuff's happened. That's built up to you getting to this position and that's maybe the beauty of it, because you don't.
Speaker 3:You don't need to know the book, like you don't need to know how many times you went to the smokers area. You don't need to know about how much, how much silly dancing you're doing. You just know that you were doing bits of it. Yeah, and that's that's maybe the beauty of it, because you just spend all life just every bit going. I remember when I did that. Just you just go through all these boring days of just doing the same monotonous shit and that's the beauty. You can have six hours of just craziness. Sometimes you get away with it, sometimes you don't, but which didn't help. What didn't help is potentially the gimp with that. Look at this day at 12.
Speaker 2:There's a terrible face.
Speaker 3:It's like oh, I don't remember. Oh God, yeah, it must've been a good one.
Speaker 2:I remember it. Of course you do, you fucking boring cunt.
Speaker 3:Oh God, Get this man a fucking Diet Coke.
Speaker 2:Go home.
Speaker 3:Ben Go home.
Speaker 2:Right. So what do we think of this movie Would?
Speaker 3:you like to go to Vegas?
Speaker 2:I'd like to go out with Alan, I think, would you? Yeah, he's funny.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't what's there to say about this film.
Speaker 2:It's it's brilliant, it's just brilliant. Yeah, it is yeah it's well made. It's just funny, it's relatable because everyone's done it where you've had too much to drink and you're just like what the fuck happened last night maybe not drugged to that point where you actually have zero recollection of the night, but you have that. And when you you're looking at pictures at the end or when you get like remember back in the day you used to get pictures developed back in the day and you used to look back at them and you're just oh shit, like that happened.
Speaker 2:Oh, completely forgot about that and we've all been there and you have that dread. You're just like you know. When um stew was sitting at the table, when he woke up in the in the room, he was just sat there like maybe people were a little less loose as well.
Speaker 3:That goes into one hour photo, the last episode. Maybe because now the phones, it's just yeah you can do that.
Speaker 2:You had 30 snaps on your camera. Well, there you go, 30 snaps.
Speaker 3:So maybe even when you were pissed you still thought oh, hang on a minute yeah, I can't get too many we'll save that we'll get a better one, because it's only 8 o'clock. Yeah, two am Shit. You know we've got a couple left.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a keeper, and then you'd be devastated if you forgot the camera in the taxi. Oh God.
Speaker 3:Oh, that happened to you, didn't it? Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Lost that one in a good few pictures. God help the fucking poor soul who got that camera.
Speaker 3:God knows what not the same, is it well? This links in this links into what I've got here. So, yeah, notes of whatever. So this is what 2009 so yeah, this is 2007. No, it was 2009 2007 no no, I think it was 2009 2007 no okay that's too early. Double check that, please. Too early it's 2007.
Speaker 2:No, it wasn't 2009. I remember seeing the numbers in my no, you're gonna be wrong.
Speaker 3:No, I'm not wrong, I'm not wrong yeah, or you're shit googling stuff 2009 yep is that right yeah? Okay, great, so why did? You say 2007. So I feel like this this film, this is our rated comedy. So I feel like this this you get these. You get these films, don't you?
Speaker 2:during different periods of time I can't believe it oh, okay, I must have seen the 7.7 and I just thought we must. We have to finish off.
Speaker 3:We've got to finish. This is disgusting. This is.
Speaker 2:I can't believe that I have to edit this.
Speaker 3:Edit this please. I fucking have R rated comedy. So you have certain films. We might have talked about this, the other one we used to do. There's certain films that are almost at the end of an era, a bygone era, and it's gone. It's, oh God. Do you remember that? Remember that time. So, maybe from I don't know, from like well before American Pie. But American Pie was what? 99, wasn't it? I'm not good at dates, so, yeah, so 99, that's 10 years.
Speaker 3:That's a decade of these type of R-rated comedies. You know, you've got your American Pie, you've got Euro Trip, Road Trip. Oh yeah. You've got what else have you got? 40 Year Old Virgin Knocked Up? That's not. But you see what I mean these R-rated Wedding Crashes, crashes. Wedding. Crashes. You've got a lot of these R-rated comedies and you have, and then, bygone era, it's over. So maybe that's why the Hangover was really successful.
Speaker 2:But it still holds up. It's still hilarious. I was laughing myself silly yesterday watching it.
Speaker 3:But do you see what I'm getting at?
Speaker 2:Yes, I do.
Speaker 3:So you're never making this.
Speaker 2:Now You're not making anything that resembles this, Because you can't because you're afraid that you're going to offend somebody. Yeah, yeah, most of that, yeah, I've seen Alan in his little, his little white pants, those fucking horrific things Like. Do you remember his big long johns With the wife runs Alan, yeah, yeah, yeah. He didn't have white?
Speaker 3:no, he had little pants on, didn't he? He didn't have white? No, he had little pants on, didn't he? Yeah, he didn't have long johns on, did he? You don't?
Speaker 2:see that, no, it's not long johns, but I call them long johns because they're quite unattractive. Sexy pants.
Speaker 3:And then after this, almost because this was pretty, it pretty much was pretty full on, like it was pretty edgy. It was pretty not edgy edgy, Pretty gross. I had pretty much everything, didn't I? Yeah, anything after this in terms of R-rated comedy, even before now, like pretty much everything is just off the table, wasn't quite the same. It almost had to copy this.
Speaker 2:It almost had to. Everything's OTT now, isn't it? I don't know, that's interesting. Everything's OTT now. Hmm. Whereas before it was social, funny, relatable funny funny, relatable funny, whereas now they go above and they're just like Well, no, it's the opposite. Now no, yeah, that's what I mean. It was subtle funny in the past.
Speaker 3:It's not subtle. It's subtle now because it has to be, because everything's like oh my.
Speaker 3:God, yeah, no, rude, you've offended someone. Yeah, so everything after the hangover, because when you think about it it's like, well, why was it so successful? Like it was funny and it was like it was a good film, but I think the Estes Bygone era, this was the end of it. And then anything after this, because you had other stuff I don't know like, oh, you had Prisemades a couple of years after which was which I guess you can look at that and think that's.
Speaker 3:Is that a male? It's not quite the same, but is that, is that? Yeah, you could say that was like.
Speaker 4:You know that had some pretty gross stuff in it, which was pretty good yeah.
Speaker 3:So yeah, there was the odd film her and that plane. Oh yes, there was the odd film after we have to watch that right that's brilliant there was the odd film after. I'm trying to wrap this up and she's shitting on the sink trying to wrap this up, there was the odd film after the hangover and just when she's in the wedding dress crossing her. Oh, we have to get this finished. We'll watch it. She's going lower and lower, and lower and lower.
Speaker 2:We'll watch the film and then it's just like, oh, and she's down.
Speaker 3:Sorry, we'll watch it. Yeah, link that into an episode. Think of a link how?
Speaker 2:do you link that in? Fat Di is getting ready for your wedding. There you go.
Speaker 3:Okay, great, there you go, Bridesmaids coming up.
Speaker 2:So maybe Bridesmaids she has to watch it with us. Yeah, only with her.
Speaker 3:I don't want to watch that with my mum, to be honest.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we watched it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so bygone era. That's what I'm trying to say, Ben.
Speaker 2:I didn't know. They gave out rings in the Holocaust. Would you get away with saying that now?
Speaker 3:Oh, that's right. Yes, yes, yes, yeah. So there's a lot that's like fuck it now bloody hell.
Speaker 2:Look at him.
Speaker 3:But it's.
Speaker 2:Put a salad and he gets away with it.
Speaker 3:It was a good time. But I think also maybe the actors as well. I can't imagine they in their wildest dreams because it's just four blokes in Vegas, but in some ways we've seen a lot of Vegas. We've seen a lot of debauchery, we've seen a lot of craziness in people going to Vegas having a nice time. We kind of get what Vegas is about and this whole dream. I think it just came at the right time. It was the end of an era. Like I keep saying, a lot of people look at that. A keep saying a lot, a lot of a lot of people look at that. A lot of, like middle-aged men who have now, and that's that's kind of representing the characters, isn't it a little bit? A lot of men look at that and they look at their lives. They think, oh god, fucking hell, I'd love to have the option that it's almost now looking back at my nuggets and madonna kebab and like oh, fucking hell. Would you go back for your nuggets again then?
Speaker 3:but it. But you was for some like for some reason well, not for some reason you go and you start having a very boring like going to work every day. You know you start having little children maybe and it's like, oh, fucking hell, oh, give me some of that, give me those nuggets. Oh, bring that guy back. Oh, take some pictures. Go on, maybe it wasn't that bad, alan getting his blowjob. Yes, yes, yes, but there was. So you've got the four actors, but then the four actors also then represent a lot of middle-aged men, yeah, a lot of people in their position. You've got Stu who this guy's the dentist, his knees.
Speaker 2:Dominated by his wife. Yes, yes, you've got the good-looking fella. Yeah, a lot of stereotypes of course you've got that he's got his confidence involved.
Speaker 3:You have that very unassuming, you know man who's probably like crippled with self-doubt because of the whole doctor and the dentist thing, but he's very mild-mannered and he keeps himself to himself and he's, you know, nice to be around, but then he has a couple of drinks and this, this fucking monster, comes out and he's the maybe that was me to a point.
Speaker 3:Potentially, I was, like you know, quite mild mannered, just like there's ben, you know he's okay a couple of drinks. It's like, oh, the guy's a fucking maniac. I wasn't a maniac, but do you see what I mean? Yes, maybe there's a little bit of stew in there maybe, maybe you're a bit of a stew and then you've got uh, what's it?
Speaker 2:gonna feel yeah feel like he's mr sensible yeah, so he gets, he gets away a bit.
Speaker 3:But then he's like he's sitting there going oh, I hate my life, I might not come back, blah, blah, blah. But then, when it comes to it, he's like oh, fucking hell, you know, I'm a teacher, I need to. Oh no, that's not Phil. I thought, that was Phil. Which one's?
Speaker 2:Phil oh Doug.
Speaker 3:Yeah, okay, doug Doug, come on, black Doug. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Sorry, I forgot Black Doug's in the film.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:So you got that as well. So he's like, oh yeah, fucking my life sucks. But then, when it comes down to it, he's like, oh no we can't burn this cop car.
Speaker 2:I've got a wife and kids, I has planned all this and he wants to get fucked up in Vegas and then he's like the biggest family man out of them all.
Speaker 3:yes, yeah because he's all talk, isn't he? And that's what a lot of us are. We are all talk because, if he comes down to it, you go to Vegas and be like, yeah, fuck that, come on, I'm so boring, I hate. Oh, my wife, she's pain in the ass. Oh, the not to this degree. And you're like, oh, fucking hell. Yeah, that'd be fair, just take me back to my life. This is, we've gone, we've moved on from this. So there was a lot of elements to it and there's a lot of elements in this film. Maybe that's why it all came together and just marinated into this blockbuster made on a small budget. The actors, a lot of them were well, stu, what's you have? You got him there? No, he was in the office, so he was. He was reasonably well known, but the other guys not really bradley cooper.
Speaker 2:He was kind of not at this point.
Speaker 3:He wasn't he was only in a, he was in wedding crashes and he was in I don't know.
Speaker 1:Yes, man you know the one with jim carrey and he was playing some like yeah, when he crashes a bit of a gimp, isn't he?
Speaker 3:he plays. I can't remember rachel adams oh, yeah, to be like he's a bit of he's an arsehole, isn't he? He's alright, he's pretty good in that, but he wasn't doing a lot. He was just like a side character. And then Alan was like a comedian. I think he was maybe, I don't know, on SNL or something. So film wise he'd not done anything that baby and the other guy he'd been in a couple of theatres, like the other guy's obviously not that good this film is.
Speaker 2:as I said before, the reason why it's successful is because it's relatable, and I really think that is the main reason why because everyone has an element of each person.
Speaker 3:In everyone, yeah.
Speaker 2:In every group of friends you have, you have the same type of people, don't you? Yeah, who am I? Can I be an Alan?
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah, Be an Alan Christ.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think I want to be an Alan.
Speaker 3:Be a bit of a dummy.
Speaker 2:No, I'm not a dummy, a wild dummy.
Speaker 3:No, so yeah, I think it just came together and I think Todd Phillips, the director, I think he paid a fucking fortune Because they were. Who was it? Was it Paramount? Who was it? Did you?
Speaker 2:write that down. No, I don't write anything down.
Speaker 3:It's not Phil and Fluggers whoever made the film was like oh no, we can't, we need to strip the budget back because, you know, no one really knows who you guys are and like just in Vegas, and like he's just drinking, he's probably not going to make any money, blah, blah, blah and yeah. So he had to waver his fee and he said, okay, I'll pretty much do it for Fucking hell. Smart move. Fucking hell, did you write that away?
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. You didn't write that away, mate Ben. This isn't Film Vloggers, this is just a chat about film, film Vloggers.
Speaker 3:Okay, so the budget was quite low, I think, and then it made, I don't know, like maybe close to half a billion.
Speaker 2:I wouldn't be surprised Fucking hell.
Speaker 3:Oh, todd's just had it. He's, he's had it away, hasn't he? He's fucking had it away he's had dear god so much, manu.
Speaker 2:What was your favourite part of the film?
Speaker 3:well, the photos at the end are quite funny, aren't they? They actually look quite good. They actually look fucking pissed, they do. Yeah, they must have spent a bit of time making sure they I'm sure they maybe had a few drinks and then they must have spent a bit of time actually getting them because they looked fucked, yeah. So yeah, the photo was quite a good touch at the end. I think that's the thing about this film.
Speaker 2:It's the music as well. You spin me right round, baby right round, and just these pictures flashing off of like tits out, cock out. It's just like fuck me bitch. It's a kid's show. Fiona, sorry, kids.
Speaker 3:No, it just everything came together at the right time for that film All the characters, the time it came out, and then after that it was like and I think you can go back to now and go fuck me bloody hell. Yeah, that's why it holds up. The other two are like pretty fucking terrible.
Speaker 4:They're not very good, but then where have you been today?
Speaker 3:The other two. The other two was just a rinse and repeat, like it was watchable. Yeah, seeing those characters again, but I think they become more and more unlikable. They're quite likable all in their own way in the first film, but by the third one. In the second one it's like okay, yeah.
Speaker 2:What happens in the second one? Who drugs who?
Speaker 3:It's Alan again, isn't it? Yeah, he does the marshmallows, doesn't he, or whatever? Oh, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, what's his excuse? I can't remember.
Speaker 2:Because they haven't seen each other for some time. Oh, that's right.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, it was the same stuff isn't it, and then it's a bit more wacky, isn't it? And then Chow's in it a bit more. Ch one, there's no hangover until right at the end, because it's like a fucking heist film or whatever they're doing trying to steal the gold bars from John Goodman.
Speaker 2:It's yeah, it's terrible so my favourite part of the film was at the end, where Stu and Melissa are having a fight oh, that's right and he's just like it all went shit, or whatever he's saying when you fucked the waiter and then bellhop or something. It all went shit, or whatever he's saying when you fucked the waiter Bellhop or something.
Speaker 2:And then Alan is there in the back and I thought it was a bartender and then he walks off all proud of himself that he, like you know, got one over on this Melissa bitch. And then Stu's there Not Stu, alan's there, all seductive, with his little belly hanging out, and he's just there, like you know, posture, just like uh, I'm getting my birth license soon. She's like suck my dick. No, thank you, it's just brilliant. It's just brilliant. It's just yeah, it's just, it's just fucking hilarious. He was there hoping that he'd get a little bit because he's getting his. Oh, that was very good. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I wasn't really looking forward to watching it but it does still hold up. I haven't watched it for a while so it was yeah, it was. No, it's got some good stuff. I've actually never seen the film Three Men and a Baby, Is that what it's?
Speaker 2:called oh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:That all links in. Alan's talking about the guys who were in, you know, because they've got the baby. So that's a homage to that film. I've actually not seen that film.
Speaker 2:Oh, I think the baby's name is actually Carol. I've seen that actually.
Speaker 3:Oh, is it Come to think of it? Oh, maybe.
Speaker 2:Or maybe it's a girl. I can't remember. It's been quite a while.
Speaker 3:Oh, I'm really worried about this lighting. Well, this episode's a ignorance mute. Everyone online who doesn't do at least one of the following teach you something new, make you laugh. Want to see them in the next six months so do I mute you yeah, it's fine. Yeah, it's pretty decent advice, isn't it? I suppose? Yeah, but then, yeah, but okay, that makes me a little bit depressed. God, I'm very fucking itchy.
Speaker 3:Nobody cares, I know, move on, move on about the whole laughing thing, because that's what it is the whole and you know they go back to the on the online trainer trying to that's what it is. It's laughing like like one of your mates on there one of the irish guys he was. Again he did. The guy does the recipes fucking hell, he's a struggle he's got like two million Fucking hell.
Speaker 3:He's a struggle. He's got like two million followers, fucking hell. But he's there talking about Easter eggs and the first 20 seconds of the video was him going. Yeah, I think actually this year, I think maybe, depending if you're still fat and overweight, that goes against time a little bit, because he's normally very like oh I know you can eat whatever you want that you should maybe switch your chocolate eggs to an actual egg, because it's a lot more.
Speaker 3:you know a lot more nutritious La, la, la, la, la la. And then, if you've watched any of my content, you know I'm obviously taking the piss, All right. Okay, the biggest thing this year, or the the trend, is now everything in moderation, which is fine, but a lot of people can't do the moderation, so we forgot on that side as well. Everything in moderation. I'm one of them, for example. I struggle with moderation. That's why I've had to go down the, the, the road of like no, it's just, this is what, this is what I enjoy, and that's that. Alcohol, no moderation.
Speaker 3:If I'm if I'm getting on the beers, it's fucking hell. Here we go. It's just not worth my time. But moderation is the new thing. Well, some people just can't have any of it. So if you say to someone you know, if you feel like you're going to binge dramatically on Easter eggs, maybe you have to consider the fact that you just can't have an Easter egg.
Speaker 2:Or just get one.
Speaker 3:But you can't say that Because of the fact that you just can't have an easter egg. I just get one. But you can't say that because it's like, oh, fuck, oh, you're demonizing food, you're demonizing it. It's all moderation. You see, yeah, some people can't moderate, though some people actually have have, you know, forget about the eating disorders. That's obviously a whole different thing in itself. Yeah, that's, that's a big part of it. Binge eating, all the rest of it. But some people just struggle, some people, some people just can't have the one biscuit. But that's almost getting demonised a little bit because it's like, no, everything in moderation, you don't demonise food. I keep doing so many different accents. I sound like Michael fucking Kane.
Speaker 2:I'm just wondering when we're going to do the Bridesmaids episode that's all I'm thinking about over here right, so that's a whole different thing.
Speaker 3:But hundreds of people in the comments and I'm scrolling through them, bloody hell. Insert name for a second there. I thought you'd changed.
Speaker 2:I love your content that's what you get when you've got two million followers, not my yeah, that's fine, exactly.
Speaker 3:It's just not. You know, not my people, but I I read that and just I've got, I've got, I've got hope it it's stuff. So these people were watching this bloke's content and genuinely thought that he'd changed his whole ethos on health and fitness.
Speaker 2:I still have to go and get my 10,000 steps in.
Speaker 3:Yes, and they were commenting and they were going. Oh my God, for a second I thought you'd changed. Okay, I can't comment on this, so I'm just going to have to just move on.
Speaker 2:But yeah, great advice okay, anything else on the iia around the world oh sorry, was that boring fiona?
Speaker 3:that's just me, that's just me talking yeah, get your mind out take a simple idea and take it seriously.
Speaker 2:Charlie munger I'm trying charlie, fuck me, I'm trying how was your trip to entertain?
Speaker 3:people online.
Speaker 2:Be a fucking performing monkey how was the trip down the pond?
Speaker 3:yeah, yes, yeah, so again, right. So simple, that's a pretty simple idea, isn't it?
Speaker 2:take it seriously, do it every fucking day you have me down the pond since I go, go on instagram.
Speaker 3:Make a video of you talking about calories. A pretty simple fucking idea. All this isn't simple no, it's a pain in the ass but it's a simple idea press the press, play on the camera and talk about calories. Pretty simple. Take it seriously. I'm trying, I'm fucking trying. It's all about me. But diet, food, nutrition, health and fitness pushing your health and falls of life. Some of it, the idea of it, the, the mechanisms behind it are the stuff that you've got to take seriously but, take a simple idea walk, for example. Start walking a bit more and try and take it seriously exercise, try and find exercise.
Speaker 3:You can stomach pretty simple idea are you working out? Try and take it seriously.
Speaker 2:Yes, I need to okay, right, we need to go up because, okay, I'm losing the will to live now, sorry, oh you don't find this interesting. No, not anymore, I need to go. I need to go do my shit okay, last one then fiona.
Speaker 3:Oh, you're getting on edge because you haven't done your steps. Yep, life is short and if life is short, then moving quickly matters. Launch the product, write the book, ask the question, take the chance I like that one be thoughtful but get moving.
Speaker 2:Okay, can I get moving to do my steps then Quickly.
Speaker 3:I've got something more here.
Speaker 2:Okay, that's fine.
Speaker 3:That was. That was something Okay, so episode five of Push Pull Health alcohol. I feel as though we were promoting alcohol more so than anything else, no good advice.
Speaker 3:That's one hour 50. I'm going to wow, wow, okay. So I'm pushing her from the pools of life as I keep, as I've droned on. I'm trying to be an online trainer, try my best. It's not going very well, but I have the the face to face personal gym. That's what I, that's what I'm focusing on and I'm just trying to do this as well. It's a bit of a side hustle, pushing Health from the Pools of Life.
Speaker 2:I'm Fiona and I don't want to be here.
Speaker 3:It's Pushing Health. Fiona's getting very on edge because she's not done her steps.
Speaker 2:I've only done 300.
Speaker 3:I think we need a drink after this.
Speaker 2:I think we do.
Speaker 3:Anything else, Fiona Pushing Health from the Pools of Life.
Speaker 2:Absolutely not. Pushfulhealthcom forward slash.
Speaker 3:When are we doing?
Speaker 2:bridesmaids.
Speaker 4:Soon I can push you up from the bottom of my life.
Speaker 3:Okay, moderation. Moderation is key, but also not for everyone Wow.
Speaker 2:Okay, fuck Jesus Christ.
