#11 | I Wore Blue Blocking Glasses for One Week and This is What Happened... Part 2

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Transcript

Sleep Hygiene and Supplements

Speaker 1 0:00

I look forward to editing. I look forward to editing this. Right, let's try and get back to the swing of things. We've had a break, not good, not the best.

Speaker 2 0:07

I've gotten out of my pyjamas.

Speaker 1 0:10

I'm still in my pyjamas. Still the same episode, though this is probably going to just be one big episode. Where did we leave off? Tips. Shall I address the elephant in the room before we move on.

Speaker 2 0:23

What did I've got makeup on.

Speaker 1 0:25

Oh God, excuse me, I've eaten. I've eaten, I've had a coffee. I was hoping the coffee was going to balance out the post-perennial lull.

Speaker 2 0:35

Oh yeah, oh dear, oh dearie me oh dear, I had eaten before.

Speaker 1 0:39

Lots of stuff's happened since.

Speaker 2 0:40

Lots.

Speaker 1 0:42

So we're back in.

Speaker 2 0:46

Okay, sins lots, so we're back in. Okay, where were we? You were explaining about the elephant in the room. Ben, my makeup it's lovely, isn't it? Oh, oh, you mean that elephant?

Speaker 1 0:51

I won't get too much into these. These are blue, uh, blue light blocking glasses, so I'm sure you'd have heard of them. There's variants of different ones, but they all yeah, they all pretty much do the same thing, without getting too much into the science, because one, I don't know loads about the science other than the basics. Maybe it's a placebo, I don't know, maybe, but I feel overall they do help. They do help.

Speaker 2 1:16

I'm going to swear. The Kindle, if you've got a Kindle, if you're reading with a Kindle it's not as bad because on the, the kindle that I've got, you can set the uh the light to warm.

Speaker 1 1:31

You can do that on your phone as well.

Speaker 2 1:32

Blue light filter yes I've got that, but there's still. Don't need stupid glasses.

Speaker 1 1:33

No, so it's not. It's not as bad as if you've got a standard kindle. I don't think. I think only the oasis kindle has got the warming.

Speaker 2 1:38

Maybe the newer kindles have got no, my kindle has the warming shit are you, you sure. I'm not. No, I absolutely despise you wearing them. I hate them with a passion.

Speaker 1 1:52

Like a spare prick is the only way to describe you. It's not about the swearing on this episode, fiona, I know, but there's only one way to describe that head. Think about the children.

Speaker 2 1:57

To describe that face, there's only one way.

Speaker 1 2:01

I think the speech is not going to be as good. To be fair to these people, it's quite something. To be fair to the people that are doing three, four hours, but a lot of them are drinking stimulants during the recordings, which help, and maybe they're having breaks as well. You don't know, do you? I just had a coffee. You don't know if they're having breaks.

Speaker 2 2:21

I'm still drinking my coffee, so I'm stimulated up?

Speaker 1 2:23

no, I am, but I've eaten, so I'm. I've eaten too yes, I know, but I can feel myself. I'm tired. Now I feel tired, which is a bit of a shame. The irony, but first part of the episode was talking about how I'd had a terrible night's sleep, of course, just in time for this now that everyone has seen your glasses, can we remove them?

Speaker 1 2:45

Okay, right, yeah, so give them a go. Give them a go, Put them on ideally maybe I don't know an hour before bed. See how you get on, see if it helps, see if it helps you fall to sleep quicker. I think that's the biggest thing they will, because they help with blocking out the blue light of the TVs, of the phones, of the tablets. They may help you, even if it is a placebo. They may help you potentially fall asleep quicker, but at the same time I don't want to fall asleep too quick because I want to get some reading in as well. So it's just balancing it out. But then you've got all the supplements. We won't even get into those.

Speaker 1 3:20

You do fall asleep quite quick yeah come to think of it, but then that's with. I've got the supplements. We might touch upon them very briefly, but the supplements. The magnesium is the big one, l-theanine is another one. What's the other one? Begins with A. It's a stat Kuberman started raving about it. Ashwagandha no, ashwagandha as well. Yeah, you could probably throw that in. No, it's Apigene Augmentum. Have a quick look, fiona, have a quick look.

Speaker 2 3:51

Just before we move on. What am I Googling? I don't understand what I'm Googling.

Speaker 1 3:53

It's like A-I-P-E-G-E-N. Oh my God, you're going to have to push that again. Gn user maybe no, no, or just type in huberman stack human sleep stack, and it should be on there. But yeah, we're taking those, these free supplements sleep for the last few months and, uh yeah, I think they've been pretty beneficial. But again, we've talked about supplements, haven't we in the past? Don't worry too much about them, the stuff that we've discussed in the epigen.

Speaker 2 4:23

Yes, that's yes.

Speaker 1 4:25

Yes, 50 mg daily the stuff that we've discussed, fiona, and which we're going to then finish off on. Before we have to then review the film, before we have to do all the other stuff, get that done first. Improve your sleep hygiene before you start then supplementing. Don't. Don't be going to bed at 1am after scrolling tiktok for four hours and then pop your magnesium. Oh, this sort out, oh, this is all out.

Speaker 2 4:44

It doesn't work like that.

Speaker 1 4:45

It's the same with the diet, isn't it? It's the same with the diet If you're eating, if you're over-consuming calories and you're trying to lose weight, if you're eating mostly ultra-processed foods, supplementing with VIT-D is not going to just solve the problem. Oh, look, get the problem. Oh, look at the vit d in, get the omega freeze in. I'll be good to go. No, no, you can't supplement a crap diet.

Speaker 2 5:10

Unfortunately. Well, since I've been with this, since I've been working out and very seldom and um, what's that stuff? Get my 10k steps in and eating better. They're interrupting me incredibly uncomfortable.

Speaker 1 5:22

Sorry, please, please.

Speaker 2 5:24

I find my sleep has improved a lot without any supplements. I do take a little bit of turmeric just for my shoulder.

Speaker 1 5:31

It's a natural inflammation anti-inflammatory drug oh yeah, so that's the only reason I take it fine so that's the only thing I take.

Speaker 2 5:38

Might have a bit of it see every now and again a bit of it deep, but that's about it yes, well, okay, move on for supplements.

Speaker 1 5:42

We've talked about supplements. We're again a future episode. We're returned to them so any more sleep hygiene stuff before we move on to the film uh no hrv I I skipped across alcohol what's hrv. I hang on, hang on. Oh, I skipped past alcohol because we had the, the, disastrous.

Speaker 2 6:02

Yes, that's the one. Yeah, it was not too good. Oh, I recall that yeah yeah, it's it was tough.

Speaker 1 6:08

It might be the one, might be the one who knows it won't be hrv but the reason I skipped alcohol when it comes to sleep is because there's not a lot you can do. It's either drink or don't, unfortunately, and that's even in quite small doses. I've got a sneaky feeling. The reason I feel extra crap today is because we had that cheese last night and that's got white wine in it and you had a sip of gin. And I had quite a bit of.

Speaker 2 6:32

And you had the shot.

Speaker 1 6:32

Yeah, no, but seriously it sounds ridiculous, but Well, I know.

Speaker 2 6:37

That's why I thought that my sleep was really bad last night, because I had those two cans of gin.

Speaker 1 6:42

I think the glasses might help me focus a bit more, so I can still look at you while you're talking. Thanks, but then also be like okay, you know, oh good. Excellent. Yeah, I'm just. I'm. Maybe I don't know. Let's try that out.

Speaker 2 6:57

Maybe you just can't keep your eyes off me.

Speaker 1 7:00

Maybe yeah.

Speaker 2 7:01

Maybe not.

Speaker 1 7:02

Yeah, what was the second thing apart from sleeping in the bed?

Speaker 2 7:06

Recreational activities the old hanky-panky.

Speaker 1 7:10

Oh dear, oh dear For the children.

Speaker 2 7:13

Just in case nobody knew what that was.

Speaker 1 7:14

Right, okay, HRV alcohol.

Speaker 2 7:17

Yeah, what is HRV you?

Speaker 1 7:18

can't. So drinking alcohol, even in small amounts, will tank your sleep to a degree. You'll notice if you've got a whoop. We've got one of these bands that tracks your hiv heart rate, so it's heart rate variability oh okay, so the beats per minute?

Speaker 3 7:37

yeah, yes, yes, ben oh, sorry, I used to be used to be a nurse. I have a nurse.

Speaker 2 7:43

You've retired now, but I have a nurse. I'm not retired.

Speaker 1 7:45

I don't think you can nurse from the bedroom, Fiona.

Speaker 2 7:47

You can actually Ben.

Speaker 1 7:49

On the wards. Yes, You're Zooming in are you.

Speaker 2 7:51

Yes, I'm Zooming in Talking to people.

Speaker 1 7:54

Cannulating from Zoom.

Speaker 2 7:55

Yep Taking bloods from Zoom.

Speaker 1 7:57

Okay, please Tell me all the things that go into being a nurse. The chances are that it will drop dramatically. You'll see a noticeable difference, and that might just be the result of having a couple of drinks. So alcohol, have a couple. Just be mindful, don't eat too much cheese. That's got white wine in. Honestly, I think that's it. I think I actually I feel mildly hung over today.

Speaker 1 8:33

I mean having those shots having that cheese eating late and some of my gin. All I can taste is onions from what we had yesterday. It's, I don't know, not good well, you had a salad, so there was onions in the salad, yeah, and with the steak yeah. Oh yeah, fried onions, yeah, there you go, but you always have to have. I don't know who knows who knows.

Speaker 1 8:56

Oh sorry. Well, it's terrible, I've eaten. I've eaten as well, ben, I had a pretty large breakfast 20 minutes ago. I'm not burping. You had four eggs and two bagels.

Speaker 2 9:05

I had pancakes, pretty large Protein pancakes.

Speaker 1 9:07

Anyway, skip, skip, skip this. So anything else, anything else for hygiene, before we move on.

Speaker 2 9:13

No, I think you've covered it in great detail, dear.

Speaker 1 9:16

Have I? Has there been enough?

Speaker 2 9:17

tips yes, are you sure Plenty, are you sure Plenty? Sure you don't need?

Speaker 1 9:28

there's been a lot of just sciencey stuff and it's like, yeah, sometimes sciencey stuff, especially with something sciencey scientists, do the people want science. This is this. Is it, though? This is it with all these episodes that? Hence the waffle, because it's just trying to get the balance. It's trying to get the balance because, realistically, if I wanted to hear someone talk about sleep, I would then go to mat to Matthew Walker. I'd read his book Hearing Ben from Pushpo, and I've talked about sleep. I don't, I don't know. I'll just go to the source, I'll just go, I'll skip Ben and just go straight to Matthew Walker.

Speaker 2 9:53

Yeah, but he's very science-y.

Podcaster's Learning Journey

Speaker 1 9:56

And it's very complex.

Speaker 2 9:57

No, you haven't been that like he is. Well, of course you'd assume that you might know a little bit more about me than sleep. Yeah, yes, so I'm just repeating what I've learned from matthew walker and various studies, and you've repeated it ever so well.

Speaker 1 10:11

Well, yeah, not.

Speaker 1 10:12

So it's tough, it's just getting the balance you're trying to be trying to keep the, the listeners and the viewers entertained, whilst giving good information, whilst making sure it's correct. There's a lot. You just turn up, you sit there. This isn't your domain, is it? So you can say whatever you want. It's my job to say, well, hang on. That's incorrect, fiona. Let me tell you why you're incorrect and let me tell you the right answer. You can say whatever you want. I've heard about this. Doesn't sleep, do this, and if I go? Oh yes, I think so, and it's wrong. It's like, oh no, the only thing at the moment is that not a lot of people are watching, so they're watching me learn, on on as we go.

Speaker 1 10:52

Watch, watch me become a better podcaster, a better personal trainer, better health coach. It's um, yeah, that's why you just got to. You got you. That's why you just got to get invested in my journey. Let's go together. Everyone, you can tell your grandchildren like God, you know, I was there. I was there in the early days. I was one of the current 24 subscribers. We've got 24 subscribers now. Fiona on YouTube. I was there in the early days. I was watching him Like he was doing his best. He was going on a bit too much. He was waffling, like he is now. But the sleep episode he did acknowledge it and he tried to turn it around and that was a bit of a turning point.

Speaker 1 11:30

And he managed to start getting the balance of good information. A couple of laughs along the way, a little bit of entertainment. I was there because now he's on episode 460 and now everyone knows him. But I was there for the first 10. Can. Now he's on episode 460.

Speaker 2 11:44

And now everyone knows him, but I was there for the first 10. Can I get a word in? What a trooper. So I think we should move on, because you're going back, you're going back.

Speaker 1 11:49

That's quite interesting though.

Speaker 2 11:50

It is very interesting, but you're moving backwards.

Speaker 1 11:52

Oh, sorry, sorry, Not enough science-y stuff for you, we just like to go forward in life, jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 11:59

Okay thing, I think that was very interesting it's getting the balance isn't it, it is yes someone out there right now would take that two minute clip and go god, that was the best part of the episode, not, not, not the rem crap, not that, no, no, not interested right, lots, lots of stuff, okay, but that's okay, that's um, there's stuff about how the brain works as well, but we'll get into that in the episode on the brain. That's another. Oh God, We'll have like a.

Speaker 1 12:29

We'll have like a, maybe a softer one, next week before we then start hitting the brain.

Speaker 2 12:32

Yeah, the menstrual cycle. Oh gosh, it's not very soft, is it no?

Speaker 1 12:35

Jesus Christ, there's a lot to that. Is that the menstrual cycle?

Speaker 2 12:43

it's not ideal, is it? Rome was not built in a day, so to say.

Speaker 1 12:48

Okay, that will do. Is Fiona's TMJ affecting her sleep?

Speaker 2 12:54

It's stress, it's emotional stress.

Speaker 1 12:57

Is it affecting her sleep, do you think?

Speaker 2 12:59

No, but they say that.

Speaker 1 13:00

What's TMJ? Sorry.

Speaker 2 13:01

Fiona. Oh God, I have to look at it. I just know it's TMJ. It's something to do with.

Speaker 1 13:06

The. Fiona's got an absolutely horrendous click in her jaw and it's unbearable. Having to have dinner with her is now becoming unbearable. Temporal mandible joint dysfunction. Right, it's not good. Now she's whinging about me wearing these glasses, but I'm not, I'm not making any noise. Wearing them am I. Can people hear it? Oh, it's so.

Speaker 2 13:27

Imagine that on every bite yeah, and when I yawn and talk sometimes yeah, it's have a look at it a couple of years ago, when I went to the dentist and they realised it, they said it could be from grinding your teeth. That's why I had a mouth guard to stop me from grinding your teeth.

Speaker 1 13:44

That's why I had a mouth guard to stop me from grinding my teeth Right.

Speaker 2 13:46

But I don't know where that said mouth guard is these days.

Speaker 1 13:49

Oh, so you've got a mouth guard.

Speaker 2 13:51

I don't grind my teeth anymore. It was something I used to do and now I don't do it. I don't know why. I had a dream last night that I I don't know I must have got turkey teeth or something, but they could only do half of my mouth, because all my other teeth fell out.

Speaker 1 14:03

Oh, I see that's really weird. Oh, turkey teeth Broke my dream. Yeah, there's a lot of turkey teeth out there in the world.

Speaker 2 14:11

Mine look quite real, to be fair, but I think I was meant to get the stick-on ones, not stick-on ones, the ones that you can take out and put or whatever. But I ended up getting the real ones and spending three grand on them. Oh well, good for you, but I only got half of them out Like literally my top only half of my top was done. And the rest of it wasn't.

Speaker 1 14:30

Yeah, my only issue with stick-on teeth. It's like does that give people the excuse not to brush their teeth?

Speaker 2 14:37

I don't know, don't know, but we're not having an episode about teeth. Are we?

Speaker 1 14:44

I'm just saying, is that maybe I don't?

Speaker 2 14:48

don't know. I'm assuming that you take them out and you brush your teeth.

Speaker 1 14:50

Well, you'd hope, and you brush them as well.

Speaker 2 14:53

It's like a mouth guard, isn't it? You brush your mouth guard well, I used to yeah, but you brush your teeth, your normal teeth oh, no, god, no of course Jesus no, but you're saying brush them as well.

Speaker 1 15:04

So brush your teeth, then brush the stick on teeth. So you brush your teeth. What twice?

Speaker 2 15:09

No, because you have to clean them. No, not brush the stick, but you'd have to clean them yeah.

Speaker 1 15:13

I don't know, Fiona. I don't know either. What's the mechanisms of stick on?

Speaker 2 15:17

teeth. I used to give my mouth guard a little bit of a wash down every morning.

Speaker 1 15:21

Do you treat stick-on teeth like dentures?

Speaker 2 15:24

I have no idea, ben, I have no idea.

Speaker 1 15:26

Right. Well, all the stick-on teeth people out there, all people who've got dentures, do you?

Speaker 2 15:31

Yeah, you brush dentures. Oh gosh, yeah, Plenty of times I've brushed a pair of dentures. Well, dentures are Dentures, are your teeth.

Speaker 1 15:38

Yes, I know. Yes, of course you've got no teeth. Yes, I'm getting it. Okay. Right.

Speaker 2 15:46

Okay, we're going off on a cliff.

Speaker 1 15:48

Yes, but there was confusion with you brush your normal teeth and then you also might brush the stick-on teeth.

Speaker 2 15:53

No, you just probably put the stick-on teeth in a glass, like you've done If you've got some dentures, you'd still brush your normal teeth as well if you've got some, because you can get dentures, you don't have to be fully tootless to have dentures.

Speaker 1 16:03

Right, you can have a couple of teeth here and there, oh.

Speaker 2 16:05

Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 16:06

Enough. I don't know. I've got stuff about jet lag, but I don't know if I've got it in me about jet lag as well. Well, there's not loads of jet lag, it's just depends where you're flying. Well, it's about melatonin, isn't it? Cycle, the, what the circadian cycle, basically um, is, if you're flying west or east so if you're flying east, you're um.

Speaker 1 16:31

Let me just, let me just read out, just so there's no, there's no confusion, okay I'm watching so, yes, so jet lag occurs when your internal body clock, which is the circadian circadian I'm trying to get it right in my head is out of sync with the time zone you travel to. The effects differ depending on whether you're flying east or west, due to the direction in which you're chasing or fleeing the sun. Flying east, flying eastward causes more severe jet lag because you lose time.

Speaker 2 17:01

So you're losing time so is that why we weren't so badly affected when we flew from japan to brazil, because we were flying west?

Speaker 1 17:09

correct.

Speaker 2 17:09

Yes, yes, so you're normally. Yes, because you're because when we flew here to thailand, we were more jet lagged.

Speaker 1 17:15

Yes, you'll see you're losing time on you, so it will be later in the day so if you're starting in the morning.

Speaker 1 17:20

You're getting where you need to get to on on flying east, it will be later in the morning. And you're getting where you need to get to on flying east, it will be later in the day. So you're like, okay, so you're, you're in trouble, aren't you? You can take your melatonin, depending on you know what time you're going to land, eastbound, but yes, flying west, the extended day. So it becomes one big long day. When you fly west, you gain time right, yes, yes, that makes sense that's pretty much it.

Speaker 1 17:47

Eastbound, you might have more of a problem with jet lag. Okay, that's enough. I think that's. That's that's enough. Anything else to sleep? That you know, anything you know you've heard of.

Speaker 2 17:56

I just can't wait to go to bed tonight anything else, any myths quickly not moving on, okay, thank you, ben anything else? Or no. We can just move on. It doesn't have to be, we'll come back. We'll come back to sleep again in the future. Oh, we will.

Speaker 1 18:10

Total Recall. Oh god, good film, but holy hell, holy hell. I'm knackered shit. Total Recall set in Earth 2084 this is the film part of the show. Everyone just to clarify. This is the film part of the show. Everyone just to clarify. This is the film review part, because we used to do a film review podcast. Didn't enjoy it.

Speaker 2 18:28

Hated it Not good. I hate this section as well. Very time consuming 7.5 on the IMDB and it was released in 1990.

Speaker 1 18:36

It's not a wind-up, is it? It's not a wind-up? The old IM confusion no, ben, no, ben, no. Is that your dyslexia?

Speaker 2 18:41

it must be yeah, okay, I just can't get it into my head.

Speaker 1 18:43

7.5 yeah, that's not good, is it?

Speaker 2 18:46

I think that's fairly generous steady on so I think it's fairly, fairly generous. So Arnie tries to find a reason behind his recurring dream about Mars. He soon learns that a false memory has been implanted into his brain and the people Want him dead.

Speaker 1 19:00

Arnie, who's that?

Speaker 2 19:02

Arnie. Everyone knows who Arnie is. Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Speaker 1 19:07

Okay, yep, right, that one, yeah, okay.

Speaker 2 19:09

Yeah, so Quaid is played by Arnie. Laurie is played by Sharon Stone. Richard is no. Yeah, richard is played by Michael.

Speaker 1 19:19

Ironside who who?

Speaker 2 19:19

who? Who's he called who?

Speaker 1 19:21

Richter.

Speaker 2 19:22

Richter, richter I. What's he called? Who? Richter, Richter, richter? I don't know, and it's directed by Paul Verhoeven.

Speaker 1 19:28

Oh, jesus Christ, verhoeven. Verhoeven, he's Dutch.

Speaker 2 19:32

Dutch, alright, okay, well, I'm not Dutch myself.

Speaker 1 19:34

Fabulous Like what? Yeah, yeah, yeah, sci-fi. He knows how to make a sci.

Speaker 2 19:40

He really does so, as I said, it was set in the earth 2084. Budget of this film was 48 to 80 million.

Speaker 1 19:47

Box office it made 261.4 million excellent pound or whatever they need to make more.

Speaker 2 19:54

I didn't particularly like this film. Not gonna lie, the acting was atrocious for my liking. Was this your first viewing? This is my first viewing of this film.

Speaker 1 20:01

I just, I was saying that during, like god, what, what? Just that you were actually his acting was just atrocious yeah, but just the fact that that's your first viewing, now you've you've been able to sit there and watch that film for the first time. I wish I could remember that. I wish I could remember that feeling of watching tarika or predator are those sort of films and go wow the effects were very good, very very good, fabulous, not gonna lie fabulous but the acting I just yeah, just no.

Speaker 2 20:32

Arnie was doing Arnie, yeah, no, but he didn't need to do that.

Speaker 1 20:36

He could have just acted as Quaid well, the issue you have with Arnie is that he's playing he's meant to be playing some average bloke, isn't he?

Speaker 2 20:44

construction worker yes, and it's.

Speaker 1 20:45

The issue you have with Arnie is that he's playing he's meant to be playing some average bloke, isn't he Construction worker? Yes, and it's. It doesn't work does it no. It doesn't work. You've got Arnie.

Speaker 2 20:49

He was actually trivia. He was actually meant to play an accountant the role of an accountant.

Speaker 1 20:54

Right. Well, there you go, However he wanted it changed.

Speaker 2 20:57

He was a construction worker.

Speaker 1 21:00

Yes, but probably actually, yeah, more realistic. Oh, you've got Arnie the pencil pusher in the office bulging out of his shirt on a spreadsheet. What? What's this guy doing here? True that, A construction worker? Yeah, that makes a bit more sense, doesn't it? Labour big guy. He's out working Lots of calories being burned. Yeah, no, but I think the original. Have you got the original novel there?

Speaker 2 21:21

What it's based on, sure that's in the trivia sure, that's basic stuff, it's not this total recall is based on this book bye no, I got here that Ronald Shusett and Dan O'Bannon first started working on the screenplay back in 1970 but realised that it was a very expensive film to make. They delayed working on this, so that on the story and worked on Dan O'Bannon's idea about aliens invading alien invasion.

Speaker 1 21:51

Apologies which then became.

Speaker 2 21:52

Alien 1979.

Speaker 1 21:54

Yeah, I was just about to say that, yeah.

Speaker 2 21:56

So yeah, suck on that.

Speaker 1 21:59

Oh, philip K Dick, did I say Philip H Dick?

Speaker 2 22:01

I don't know what you said.

Speaker 1 22:02

I wasn't, there we go. So it's based on don't recall, it's based on we Can Remember it For you. What's? It called we Can Remember it For you Wholesale, that's what it's called.

Speaker 2 22:14

Need to work on that title.

Speaker 1 22:19

We Can Remember it For.

Speaker 2 22:20

You Wholesale Holy moly, holy moly is right.

Speaker 1 22:21

Okay. Based on that.

Speaker 2 22:29

According to Paul Verhoeven, the first 20 minutes of the movie is actually reality, because you said to me oh, is it a dream, is it not? What's real, what's not yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 22:35

I kind of get it that well, he's not gone to recall yet, has he no? So at least the first 20 minutes is reality. Yeah, because he's not. He's not gone. He needs to go to recall first, isn't he?

Speaker 2 22:44

yeah, to then start the. But he technically should be in Mars. Is it a dream or not? He technically should be in Mars Technically. It's all very confusing this Skyfy shit. That's why I hate it.

Speaker 1 22:53

Sorry, he should be in Mars because he's your man, right, he's your other man.

Speaker 2 23:02

No, no. But the point is he's either just a regular guy or he's this.

Speaker 1 23:04

Mars man? Yes, so which is it? So, if he is a regular guy, he's never been to bloody Mars, is he? He's just a regular guy who thinks he's now in Mars.

Speaker 2 23:12

Yes, but then.

Speaker 1 23:13

If he was this bloke. It's reality, and it's real.

Speaker 2 23:15

Yeah, but then he's having the dream, so the dreams about him being in Mars could be actually his reality as well, about being with the other man. That's what I got out of it.

Speaker 1 23:25

No, but that's the point, though, isn't it the reason? He has a bit of a schizo on the machine is because all this stuff that he's dreaming about is his actual life.

Speaker 2 23:33

It's happened.

Speaker 1 23:35

So when he tries to implant all these memories, it's like oh, hang on a minute, he's actually already got these memories.

Speaker 2 23:39

Oh God.

Speaker 1 23:39

Yeah, yes. What's the confusion there?

Speaker 2 23:42

is no confusion.

Speaker 1 23:44

It's either if it is all a dream or not. The chances are, realistically, with all the Easter eggs that you've got dotted during the film, it's the little like the nods the nods towards.

Speaker 1 23:56

Oh yeah, so like someone's wearing something, all these characters keep showing up. Ho Hagen says oh well, we set it up for you. Like, all the characters showed up, gave you the briefcase and all so you were helped along the way and all so you were helped along the way. Richter wasn't meant to be trying to kill you, so he fucked up. So we helped you out. But there's like loads of Easter eggs. Have you ever written?

Speaker 2 24:14

Easter eggs.

Speaker 1 24:14

I should have written something down. There's loads of Easter eggs to say oh look, you know, wink, wink. This is a dream Because all the stuff that's happening, so you see the shots when they're when they're. When they're uploading the secret agent stuff, there's clips of the shots of the alien. You know the stuff at the end.

Speaker 1 24:34

You know when it goes into the ground yes there's shots of all that, so you're already seeing that in advance. There's loads of stuff that you're seeing that then play into before it goes into the. The dream or not? Oh right, okay. And then the woman, of course, course. What's the woman called? What's his love interest? Melanie, yes, well, she's exactly the same woman that he picks in recall. What are the chances? Oh, she does, she exists. Or is he because he picked this woman because he already knows who she is?

Speaker 2 25:02

Very good Sky fire here, but then what are?

Speaker 1 25:04

the chances that exact woman on the system in recall. Yeah, is she based on a real person?

Speaker 2 25:10

must be must. Maybe don't know, who knows you'll have to talk to Varhautian about that.

Speaker 1 25:17

So this was on the average guy.

Speaker 2 25:18

Oh, hang on oh sorry, are you talking? No, please so this is one of the last major Hollywood blockbusters to make large scale use of miniature effects opposed to the use of miniature effects, opposed to the use of cgi.

Speaker 1 25:29

That's what the trivia said that's interesting, that makes a lot of sense. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense in and yeah, in and around this time, cgi was oh, yeah, okay, so this, so this film, represents the transition they started to dip the toes of cgi yeah but they. You see what a shame. But again, that is amazing, what a relic.

Speaker 1 25:52

What have everyone needs to go out and watch Total Rico and really appreciate what it is. A passing of the torch, so you're telling me. Total Rico also represents other than being just a fantastic film. It also represents the passing over to CGI how miserable. How good did those miniatures look how good did.

Speaker 2 26:09

Martin, they were actually meant to use technology. However, the technology wasn't working, so they actually had to change.

Speaker 1 26:17

It wasn't advanced enough to it wasn't.

Speaker 2 26:19

No, it was something that the technology wasn't actually working when they went to shoot the film and it would have taken too long for them to fix it. So they then went and did the special effects instead, because they had some already, thank god something like that. Can't remember exactly how it was written, but yeah right something like that. You know I can say things wrong. You said so.

Speaker 1 26:37

I was ashamed of this film because it's such a good film. I'd happy to talk about this for at least half an hour, but we're at the end of a very intense episode on sleep so will.

Speaker 2 26:44

Well, I'll just tell you my last little bit of trivia, and then you can talk to the worst content.

Speaker 1 26:49

Well, the energy levels are not there, unfortunately.

Speaker 2 26:52

Paul Verhoeven and special effects supervisor Rob Botton.

Speaker 1 26:55

Oh yes.

Speaker 2 26:57

They clashed constantly on Robocop and this actually became violent and they vowed never to work with each other again. However, when they seen the scene played out, they were very impressed and everything was forgotten and they made up. So then Baugan jumped at the chance when Paul asked him to come on to Baugan. Baugan Bottom jumped at the effect, jumped at the chance of when Paul asked him oh, would you come on to do this one with me?

Speaker 1 27:21

Fabulous.

Speaker 2 27:22

And they made up in total recall. Bottom was granted full freedom to make his own Martian creatures designs, which he did very, very good.

Speaker 1 27:29

Oh it's just. It's just. Look at Quatto. Look at how good Quatto looks. Oh, it's just.

Speaker 2 27:34

Yes, there was something about him. So, good he was. He was, people actually thought that he there was something actually wrong with him. The makeup looked that good. Oh, the CGI.

Speaker 1 27:45

Phil, I used to moan about this all day on the other film podcast. Oh, it's just. How good does this look, this practical stuff? The miniatures Mars. Rob Botton, he did the thing, didn't he as well?

Speaker 2 27:56

yes, he did the.

Speaker 1 27:57

Thing oh, it's genius, the thing looks. What was it 1982? Yep, go and watch that now. Go and see how that holds up those practical effects oh, it does the practical effects are unbelievable.

Speaker 2 28:09

The tree-boobed woman as well. That wasn't actually her breasts, that was all special effects and that took eight hours to complete.

Speaker 1 28:19

Prosthetics yes prosthetics.

Speaker 2 28:20

Yeah, that poor woman. She literally was so embarrassed about that scene that she refused to go on any. I can't remember the actress's name, but she refused to go on any. I can't remember the actress's name, but she refused to go on any of the talk shows or anything like that, and she was so embarrassed about having to do that.

Speaker 1 28:36

Well, that is pretty iconic.

Speaker 2 28:37

She was told by I think it was the director, that she'd be given a better role in the next movie, which never happened.

Speaker 1 28:44

Yeah, Paul Verhoeven's got a bit of a history with her.

Speaker 2 28:46

A bit of a course there.

Speaker 1 28:47

Well, I won't go too much into that. Showgirls have you seen Showgirls? No, oh dear, that's an interesting one.

Speaker 2 28:55

That is an interesting one, but that character was very popular because it was brought back for the remake.

Speaker 1 29:01

I'm not talking about the remake.

Speaker 2 29:02

Yep, I've no idea about the remake. So yeah Is oh yeah. Is there any in the remake?

Speaker 1 29:06

No, of course there's not, I've seen it once. They don't go to Mars. It's all set on Earth. What do?

Speaker 2 29:11

you mean it doesn't go to Mars?

Speaker 1 29:12

No it doesn't go to Mars. They're on Earth.

Speaker 2 29:15

It's based in Mars.

Speaker 1 29:17

Yeah, the remake, they don't go to Mars. There's no Mars.

Speaker 2 29:20

Then how is it a remake?

Speaker 1 29:32

It's a lot more. It's a lot more political based. Well, I guess the remake is like Cohagen and stuff. There's obviously politics involved, but it's just whatever.

Speaker 2 29:39

Who made the remake?

Speaker 1 29:40

I don't know. No idea. I know what's his face, isn't it Colin Farrell? Colin Farrell, Jessica Biel and Kate Beckinsale not too bad. Brian Cranston's in it as well. I think he's, I think he's co-hanging actually.

Speaker 2 29:53

I don't know who Brian Cranston is you? Know Breaking Bad Water One oh yeah, oh yeah, I know him. He's a good friend of mine. Liked him anyways. I've got enough to say about that the opening was filmed in Mexico City. Mexicano yes it.

Speaker 1 30:05

It was because of the. Subway.

Speaker 2 30:08

Architecture.

Speaker 1 30:09

Yes, but the subway, I think the subway is actually. They had to like paint bits of it and they had to add the TV screens and all that stuff, but a lot of it they managed to keep the same. Did we use the? No, we would have used the subway in Mexico. Yeah, we did. We used subway all the time.

Speaker 2 30:23

That's how we got to the boxing, why don't we? We didn't know about it at the time. We probably walked straight through. Excellent transport system in Mexico and very easy to use. If anyone ever goes to school. Actually, it's probably one of the easiest ones to use. Yeah, maybe, yeah. Considering you're on like foreign land, it's very easy.

Speaker 1 30:43

God, I'm very twitchy today. Okay, proceed, darling.

Speaker 2 30:46

Just not getting comfortable.

Speaker 1 30:47

Oh, I don't know today.

Speaker 2 30:54

Okay, just not getting comfortable, oh, I don't know.

Speaker 1 30:55

But yeah, it's tired. Well, sure, we'll leave it at that then, no, well, no, no, what's got the other stuff right? Let's just. I'll just run through some stuff. Um well, I guess we've talked about all the all the we've talked about recall if it's a dream or if it's not. And what do you think, fiona? What do you?

Speaker 2 31:08

I didn't particularly like the film, but I hate any team skyfi. I didn't sci-fi.

Movie Analysis

Speaker 1 31:13

No, sorry, fiona. Sorry, I didn't ask for your summary of the film. I asked did you think if it was a dream or not?

Speaker 2 31:19

oh, sci-fi. I have no idea what's going on, anything to do with it? I'm just like no, just like, not a clue.

Speaker 1 31:25

No, no, please please answer the question. What? Please answer the question? What? Please answer the question. Is it a dream or not?

Speaker 2 31:30

What do?

Speaker 1 31:30

you mean, is it a dream? Is he dreaming or not?

Speaker 2 31:33

Which part.

Speaker 1 31:34

The film.

Speaker 2 31:35

Well, no, he's not dreaming, he's awake, okay.

Speaker 1 31:38

No wait.

Speaker 2 31:39

Yes, he's not dreaming, it's happening.

Speaker 1 31:42

Okay, so his character. That's happened. Yes, he has become what was his original character called. I can't remember. No hang on who's who. Quaid Quaid, who was who? His other fella? No hang on, was he Quaid?

Speaker 2 31:56

Quaid was Quaid at the very beginning. Quaid the construction worker.

Speaker 1 31:59

Right, yes. And then the other fella was I can't remember his name- so you think he actually was this guy and they planted him on Earth? Yes, so all the things that played out were exactly to how was stipulated at recall, with the secret agent and Melina and all this stuff, but it actually happened, it was real. Yes. It was just a coincidence a massive coincidence.

Speaker 2 32:22

What do you think?

Speaker 1 32:24

Well, based on all the Easter eggs, all the subtle nods to all right, okay. Well, all this is playing out exactly how it should do, based on what was promised at recall. It's like well, it must be a dream, then, and at the end, when the light fades, you know the light comes in, I'll kiss me before it might. If it's a dream, and all this, what'd she say? I just had a terrible thought. What was this all? A dream? Oh, kiss me quick before you wake up, for having done that on purpose to make you not quite sure if it was a dream or not, but okay, do you care?

Speaker 1 32:53

who cares superb film so good no, it's a lot of fun, isn't it? It's a lot of fun, and it just, it just looks so good do you have? Any practical effects. I just can't. Yes, the practical effects were very good. The mars is very good fantastic all of that that.

Speaker 2 33:08

What was your favourite quotes from the film Ben I?

Speaker 1 33:12

have to ask. Well, consider the. Consider that a divorce that's reasonably iconic.

Speaker 2 33:17

Screw you yeah, ernie killing Benny with a drill screw you.

Speaker 1 33:23

It was brilliant. I don't know what that was. I liked that and I liked oh.

Speaker 2 33:27

I've got five children to feed at home. Take them to the dentist or whatever. He said that was quite good. Yeah, maybe, yeah, yeah and oh. When Melanie sees Ernie for the first time, still bulging, I see what have you been feeding this thing, blondes? It's still hungry, so cringy it's on, I've got here.

Speaker 1 33:52

Did the go on the escalator make it?

Speaker 2 33:55

see you at the party, richard see you at the party Richter yes yes, iconic, holding his arms.

Speaker 1 34:02

Very good, very good, just oh, just yeah, verhoeven, he's getting on and he now bless him. He sort of stepped away from Hollywood.

Speaker 2 34:10

What was that 60?

Speaker 1 34:11

No, he's released a couple of films. He released Elle Tershi Elle, which was very good. No, I'll tell you what killed him Hollow man.

Speaker 2 34:21

I don't know With Kevin Bacon. Oh, I've seen that.

Speaker 1 34:23

Yeah, oh Christ yeah, me and the Thomas. Yeah, talked about that on the film podcast Hollow man. Unfortunately, that's riddled with CGI. It doesn't look terrible, to be fair, the CGI in Hollow man. But that's what killed him. That was a bomb. And then he ran away from Hollywood, didn't see him again, but a couple of years before that he made Starship Troopers A lot of fun.

Speaker 2 34:46

Silly but well made I think his ear is sci-fi, is it? Is that kind of what he likes?

Speaker 1 34:51

It's sci-fi, sci-fi. Yes, he enjoys sci-fi. Very good at sci-fi, excellent at sci-fi. Robocop and Total Recall.

Speaker 2 34:59

Oh, just I remember we used to watch Robocop when we were little.

Speaker 1 35:11

I'm assuming.

Speaker 3 35:11

Rob Botton helped design the suit for Robocop. That was his main job, yeah, and they clashed.

Speaker 1 35:13

But then when yeah, the guy on the escalator, god, this is this over two hours richer, not richter, the guy I've said here, did the guy on the escalator make it? Oh yeah, he's holding him, and he holds him there, and then he turns him around the poor fella.

Speaker 2 35:23

He got shot like how many times. His body was like literally disintegration yes unseen and you could tell it was like a thing. Couldn't you like the way it was moving? And it just wasn't like you know, because I don't know, just wasn't very natural as such oh, you mean, it was a doll yeah, you could tell it was a doll at like certain points I don't know was it. Yeah, you could tell at certain points, and it was just like flung oh, it's hard it's just like a great scene again when he goes through the scanner.

Speaker 1 35:49

Oh, that looks that is quite good.

Speaker 3 35:51

That is quite good when you can see the bones, brilliant gun gun.

Speaker 2 35:56

And then he just comes through oh such a twang, sorry jingle all the way.

Speaker 1 36:01

Remember that peak Arnie, peak Arnie. Noises, yeah, a lot of good noises. He really goes for it in this actually aren't he A lot of good noises? Benny sucks, yeah, benny's terrible.

Speaker 2 36:11

Benny's terrible.

Speaker 1 36:12

He's meant to be terrible, isn't he? Quatto puppet effects so good. Oh, that's right. David Cronenberg, Do you know? Cronenberg Directed the Fly.

Speaker 2 36:20

Oh yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 36:30

I think he quite Cronenberg-esque. They're quite gross. So I imagine I don't know how much dialogue him and Botten had beforehand if he was originally attached. But yeah, quatto is quite Cronenberg-esque, gross. Like he looks gross. I think Cronenberg would have done a reasonably good job. But Verhoeven, I'm very happy with Verhoeven are you Ben? Yes, I am.

Speaker 1 36:51

I don't think Verhoeven goes too fly great recovery from the bulging eyes oh that that now that was a good scene again with the eyes bulging and pulling the thing out of his nose as well oh yeah, and the woman, the woman that's what I'm saying about this film. You need to be talking about this film when you're energised.

Speaker 2 37:08

A woman.

Speaker 1 37:08

One woman, two wigs, arnie's in the suit, the woman the dress, when he first arrives on Mars. How long are you staying for, madam Two?

Speaker 2 37:19

wigs, oh yeah. And then the thing just yeah, yeah, yeah, like an eggshell, this comes off. Yes, yeah, very good, very good, looks so good again. Yes, it does, ben, everything looks very good. I'm not disputing anything about the special effects. I'm not disputing anything.

Speaker 1 37:34

I think it's all very, very good you had a good time with the film, didn't you? You can't come away from Total Recall and go well, that was a bit silly but that was a good time I was expecting to be fair.

Speaker 2 37:44

I think I was expecting something the way you were going on about it and, like you are usually very you are very good with picking your films.

Speaker 1 37:52

I think I was just expecting something completely different. I'm here, darling.

Speaker 2 37:55

I'll do you help. I think I was just expecting something different, but when we sat down to watch the remainder of it, I was actually really getting into it. So maybe I was just having a hump that day, maybe.

Speaker 1 38:07

Bulging eyes Again looks amazing, but quite the recovery you know for. Cohagen yeah, well, cohagen gets done quite quick, but Arnie and Melanie.

Speaker 2 38:19

Yeah, melina, melanie, melina.

Speaker 1 38:21

Melina, they get the bulging eyes. I'm skeptical about how, if you can recover from your eyes bulging out your head, I'm not too sure, even for. Arnie, I think that's a bit of a stretch. Yeah. If his eyes have actually left his skull, and they are bulging out.

Speaker 2 38:36

Still connected though.

Speaker 1 38:37

To then just pop back in again, oh no we're okay. Oh yeah, Eyes go back in. We're good.

Speaker 2 38:43

Why was everyone deformed? What was that about? Was that because of lack of air, or what was it? Was that just mutations.

Speaker 1 38:56

Yes, the mutations. All right. Okay, one of the characters talked about it, didn't they? Yeah, they touched upon it. Yeah, because there's the music. Like ben is a mutant quarter. Yeah, there was loads of mutants, wasn't there?

Speaker 2 39:00

so okay okay, would you watch it again, ben?

Speaker 1 39:03

oh, it's well, it's, it's just superb. Superb, no, but it, but it fits, it does, but it fits, it does fit. I wasn't, I wasn't aware of of the um, the bridge that almost acts as a bridge between CGI starting to come in and then like the, and then the end of miniatures and and all that stuff is just no, isn't that a good fact for you?

Speaker 2 39:22

I hope that's right.

Speaker 1 39:24

Yes, that was about around that time. Yeah, late late 80s, early 90s yeah, they were starting to dip the toes of cgi I hate that phrase, hey I hate cgi.

Speaker 2 39:35

Oh, I know, oh I know well on that note, that's not I wouldn't hate cgi if it looked good oh practical facts yeah, there's a couple of.

Speaker 1 39:46

There's a couple of iffy bits in the film. Of course there is. There's a more more there's there's. There's a bit where they jump off and there's like that blackout line, but but in terms of like, yeah, look at mars maris looks very good, I'm assuming they base those on images today historic images yeah, there you go see, I do read the trivia there, because this is how I get this. Oh good film lots to talk about. Shame that we're doing it at the end.

Speaker 2 40:09

After two hours of talking about bloody sleep, am I doing my podcast or not?

Speaker 1 40:12

Oh God Right.

Speaker 2 40:14

Okay, so I listened to a pod. Ow, I listened to a podcast recently and I changed my podcast player. Hang on, hang on.

Speaker 1 40:24

This is the true crime element.

Speaker 2 40:25

We're going to say what it is and you can leave it in the show notes.

Speaker 1 40:27

Yes, that's fine, and then we will do your thing, okay.

Speaker 2 40:31

So let's just sit back and relax for two seconds. So I went out of my way and I listened to a different podcast, because I only listen to case files, don't I? And you said to me I should broaden my horizons. Got a couple daylight crime podcasts as well. So I listen to Psychopedia, so I listen to Episode 62 and, of course, I listen to the Scissor Sisters, part 1. So have you ever heard about the Scissor Sisters.

Speaker 1 40:58

Why, of course?

Speaker 2 41:00

Irish.

Speaker 1 41:02

Oh, you'll get the.

Speaker 2 41:04

Just let me read it. So I'm just going to tell you a little bit about the podcast itself. So Linda and Charlotte Mulhall are sisters from Dublin who killed and dismembered their mother's boyfriend in 2005. He was killed with a standing knife and struck with a hammer following a confrontation.

Speaker 2 41:20

This happened on Paddy's Day St Patrick's Day, so the 17th of so there was lots of drugs and alcohol involved, actually a lot of drugs involved his head and penis was sliced off and the rest of his corpse was dismembered and dumped into the Royal Canal, dublin, where a piece of his leg, which was still wearing a sock, was spotted floating near Crow Park ten days later.

Speaker 1 41:42

Sorry, hang on does this not ruin the episode again? No.

Speaker 2 41:49

Ben, it's a general fact. This is all information, right, but why would people now listen to the episode? Because I'm gonna say I don't know why, but the penis in the head was never found. That's just a general. This is just a general. This is. I remember this story breaking in Ireland, so it's like a general fact of life.

Speaker 1 42:06

Would it not be better just to oh god, oh no, I Me with myself? Would it not be better just to say the episode, that's it, because you've basically just said what the episode's about.

Speaker 2 42:17

Yes, but I need to listen to the second part of the episode. However. Okay, I prefer just somebody telling the story, I just prefer my true crime. Very good, very, very good podcast. I have to say the lady does most of the talking in it and she does most of the factual information Very good, but I just prefer my Australian man and that's that. Case files.

Speaker 1 42:42

Right, so you don't care about anyone's opinion on it? No, I don't care about opinion.

Speaker 2 42:45

The facts. That's what I mean. The girl's facts was very good on it. I really enjoyed listening to her telling the facts about it. She went into detail about how they did it and where it took place, the backstory, what was happening on the journey home. Very good level of information there, and I will listen to the second part. However, from a personal point of view, I prefer somebody just telling me in a literally monotone voice about the story.

Speaker 2 43:10

I prefer a story being told to me instead of somebody having an opinion on it and asking questions and all that. I just want the story to be told and that's that.

Speaker 1 43:17

Yeah, it's quite interesting, isn't it? It's the same with anything, isn't it? Yeah, do you want to just listen to me talk about the mechanisms of sleep, or should I give my opinion on the mechanism of sleep? It's like, what do you do? Calorie deficit this is how you get into one. Should I give you my opinion, or is that enough?

Speaker 2 43:33

The recipe this week is oh, we've moved on.

Speaker 1 43:37

So this is the recipe, part of the show we have to Recipe. Part of the show.

Speaker 2 43:41

Okay, so this week it is meatballs which are stuffed with mozzarella. Oh, and people this is keto friendly as well, if you want it to be keto friendly.

Speaker 1 43:53

Yeah, I guess You're on the low carb stuff. Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:55

So do you want me to go through the method, or do you want?

Speaker 1 43:57

Absolutely not.

Speaker 2 43:58

Okay, fine.

Speaker 1 43:59

Have you got it there?

Speaker 2 44:00

I've got the method, yeah.

Speaker 1 44:02

Yeah, show notes, show notes. Yeah, it's all in show notes.

Speaker 2 44:05

There's no point in me wasting my voice. Have them. Do you like them or not?

Speaker 1 44:08

Yeah, they're very good. The thing is, in the future, what we will do is we'll have a video, so there'll be a video of you making preparing it. I can put that on Because that's what people want to see. They want to see the video. You cut it down One minute. Let's get me that kitchen. Here are the ingredients. Here is this. Here's that, Hi everyone.

Speaker 2 44:27

Delicious.

Speaker 1 44:28

Yeah, so that would be nice because people would visually see you preparing it and then they'd be there and see the end product at the end.

Speaker 2 44:34

You could have me like you could have me do it, and then I walk in and go oh, this looks nice, yummy. And I can cut, oh, cut one in half, and like the cheese just pouring out.

Speaker 1 44:42

Yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 44:43

Well, that's big on this, it's all food porn, isn't it on Instagram? Not very good with the whole presentation of food, though, but anyhow, yeah, grant. Next right is that it? No, you've got to do your little war around the world.

Speaker 1 44:57

Oh, I've got some music. I finally uploaded music. That's why I had this in yesterday updating it, you ready?

Speaker 2 45:01

okay, not too loud From the song.

Speaker 1 45:16

Sorry, sorry, let me just say Red around the world. Do you have to sing it? Let me see, I haven't got the next line. Oh, just go with it, work it Red around the world. I haven't got the next line, oh, let's go with it. Work it Red around the world and aye, aye, aye. Then it would be something like I'm pushing your hell from the balls of life, yav, yav, yav, something like that. Oh God love. No, I need to work on it.

Speaker 2 45:45

Wait, just do like push pull, hell no.

Speaker 1 45:53

I'm red around the world and I, I, I and I'm pushing your hell from the balls of life, life, life, life, something along those lines Okay, you need to work on that.

Speaker 2 45:57

No, but at least I've added it. Yeah, well done, Ben.

Speaker 1 45:59

It's taken 10 episodes for me to add that clip.

Speaker 2 46:01

We're not on. 10 episodes are we?

Speaker 1 46:02

I think so Fuck. So it's taken me that long to add just that one clip.

Speaker 2 46:14

So I was based on that song.

Dream, Believe, Achieve

Speaker 1 46:16

Based on that, okay, the floor's yours. Oh god, oh god oh, hang on everybody, shit's hitting the fan no, no, it's because I've just, I've just remembered one of the things I want to talk about and it's fucking long no, well, we'll just leave it then, because you don't want to. Oh, but it's very good. It's very interesting. These two are about dreams. They've got the word dreaming.

Speaker 2 46:31

No dreams like I had a dream.

Speaker 1 46:34

So very short, these Very short. The other one's a bit longer Lack of confidence kills more dreams than lack of ability. I like that one, next one On my principal.

Speaker 2 46:47

Just on that note on my principal's wall in secondary school she had a ting on the wall.

Speaker 1 46:53

Your I can is better than your iq right, okay yeah, very good that's okay, yeah, I think mine's better probably.

Speaker 2 47:01

Yeah, a lot better actually. I just remember that I was in her office quite a lot so interesting. Stuck with me that one yeah, how did?

Speaker 1 47:08

how did the two? How did the two play out? Your I can and your IQ? How did they play out in the end?

Speaker 2 47:14

Fine.

Speaker 1 47:15

Okay, good, next one. What good is it to have the greatest dream of the world if I was to reap the benefits and the glory? Never lose your head over a vague, open-ended dream. Plan to the end.

Speaker 2 47:30

So it's about resilience, is it?

Speaker 1 47:33

Well, dream big, but what are you going to do about your dream? Don't just sit there for the rest of your life just going. Oh God, wouldn't it be great if I start pushing people's health and pause their life? I've got this real rotten attitude to exercise and nutrition. Maybe I should tell people about it. No, I just no. Maybe some appetite.

Speaker 2 47:48

We had a poster or something at one point, a canvas thing on a wall. Dream, believe, achieve, Dream about it, believe you can do it and then achieve it.

Speaker 1 48:03

Sorry, you wanted me out.

Speaker 2 48:04

No dream, believe achieve. Remember that.

Speaker 1 48:07

Of course, yeah, it was disgusting. Yeah, yeah, I know, it's like what's the other one Live laugh love yeah, dream yeah.

Speaker 2 48:13

I know it's like what's the other one? Live, laugh, love yeah, dream, believe, achieve. Oh no, I think I had it in uni. I think it was actually part of my room in uni.

Speaker 1 48:19

Right.

Speaker 2 48:20

Yeah, it was in uni that was it Okay. So you would have seen that.

Speaker 1 48:23

Look if it gets you going, if it gets the juices flowing, if it that poster every morning. As long as you're working towards it, as long as you're working towards your dream when I was in uni. As long as you're not just dreaming it.

Speaker 2 48:35

I was in uni trained to be a nurse, which I wanted to be here. I am Okay right. Well, maybe disgusting's a bit strong then, but the problem with that is that I hear that and I think a lot of people will have the same thing only stay there it's kind of like something you'd have in your teenage bedroom, isn't it right exactly?

Speaker 1 48:53

so as long as you're trying. But it takes time. It's taking me time to start trying to work on the dream. So as long as you you find a way to move beyond the dream stage dream, believe achieve right there you go, so you have a dream about it.

Speaker 2 49:07

Yeah, you believe you can do it. You have to dream it first. You have to dream what you want, and then you can do it.

Speaker 1 49:11

You have to dream it first you have to dream what you want, and then you have to go. Do you know what?

Speaker 2 49:15

I believe genuinely believe that I can do this so what are you going to then go to achieve this right? Yes so you've dreamt it, you've believed you could do it. Now your job is to go achieve it yes okay. So it's actually when you look at it in depth and just you know, think about what it actually means and represents. Yes, it's not a bad thing, right.

Speaker 1 49:32

So you've just got to get past that dream stage.

Speaker 2 49:34

Yes.

Speaker 1 49:34

Got to get past that dream stage and think do you know what?

Speaker 2 49:36

Yeah, I can do this.

Speaker 1 49:38

I genuinely believe, but it's hard. The belief stage is the hardest part, because you have to find ways to make yourself believe. You've got to make yourself believe. That's the hardest. I'm a dreamer. I dream, we're all dreaming. Do I believe that pushable health will take over? Abso-fucking-lutely.

Speaker 2 49:54

There you go then.

Speaker 1 49:55

Absolutely.

Speaker 2 49:56

So now? But you've got to, haven't you? You have to achieve that. You have to, because if you don't, what's the point You're?

Speaker 1 50:01

sitting there for two and a half hours on a Sunday talking about Anyways last one. Round the world ay-ay-ay Ugh. That is awful Well it needs work, it needs work. A lot of work.

Speaker 1 50:33

I would be very careful with your singing. I was on purposely singing bad. I can sing a lot better than that. Okay, you can't, right. Okay, so there is a word called amoya Right, I read this article last week. It was like bloody hell, that's something. Amoya, amoya, and it means the soldier for a time or a place one has never known. Okay, how do you spell it? I've gone off it now, fiona. Okay, a-n-e-m-o-i-a. Amoya.

Speaker 1 51:07

Right. So that's the set up. Where are, where are we? Very good article. So it's an article by let me just confirm her surname freya india. So she and she's, so she's gen z. She's gen z and she talks a lot about how you know social media and how gen z and how everyone's struggling, how the other youth are struggling somewhat with the, with the rise of social media and everything that goes into it. This article is talking about a lot of gen z's and how they've struggled with the, the concept of missing out on things, because the world they've been born into it's got social media, it's got smartphones so they're seeing other stuff from the past, without the smartphones, where people are a bit more present, and they're like, oh, I've never.

Speaker 1 51:50

I never had the chance to experience that because, and more present, and then I've never.

Speaker 1 51:52

I never had the chance to experience that because and I never will, because I've missed that because I've been born too late.

Speaker 1 51:58

Oh, this is long, okay, but god, that loss, that feeling. I'm grieving something I never knew. I'm grieving that giddy excitement ever waiting for and playing a new vinyl for the first time, when now we instantly stream songs on YouTube, use Spotify with no waiting and skip impatiently through new albums. I'm grieving the anticipation of going to the movies, when all I've ever known is Netflix on demand and spoilers and struggling to sit through an entire film. I'm grieving simple joys reading a magazine, playing a board game, hitting a swing ball for hours, been there, been there, where now even split screen TikToks, where two videos play at the same time, don't satisfy our insatiable, miserable need to be entertained. I even have a sense of loss for experiencing tragic news, a moment in world history, without being drenched in endless opinions online. I am homesick for a time when something horrific happened in the world and, instead of immediately opening Twitter, people held each other A time of more shared feeling and less frantic analysing, a time of being both disconnected but supremely connected.

Speaker 2 53:16

That's very good, Very, very good. Like you do look back and you do think, like I can't stand phone social medias. I can't bear them. Obviously you used them and whatnot. But anything to do with the TikTok, I'm not even on the TikTok because I just can't bear it. I can't bear it. Even Facebook nowadays I'm just like no, absolutely not. You can't watch anything. Baby reindeer, for example, you cannot watch that now and not know anything. Not know anything about it. It's just, it's just ridiculous. Social media is literally taken over and I'm glad somebody who was young and in that generation recognises that. Because you're just like, oh, it's more sort of a rocket mockery because, like you know, back back days ago wi-fi, all of that you literally had to physically stand beside the modem and take the phone line out and plug it into your computer and the dial remember the dial tone?

Speaker 2 54:02

oh yeah, and they're just like you know, you actually had to work at work at that and like literally it was like half an hour an hour you could get because somebody might ring the landline and if it was plugged out no one was able to ring and it's just like stuff like that. And you're just like tapes, videos. Remember when the tapes you had to physically rewind it back going to Blockbuster. I think you called it.

Speaker 1 54:24

We called it something else going to Blockbuster on a Friday evening yeah, picking out a video, and the me and the banshee picking out yeah, the latest horror film just all of those things that, like people are missing out on.

Speaker 2 54:34

And, yeah, when you do get shit news, just like oh, what's everyone saying on facebook? It's just like why? Why is that needed? Very good, very, very. There's a bit more actually.

Speaker 1 54:46

Let me just okay a little bit more, but I never knew it, maybe briefly as a child, but most of us in gen z were given phones and tablets so early that we barely remember life before them. Most of us never knew falling in love without swiping and subscription models. We never knew having a first kiss without having watched pornhub first. We never knew flirting and romance before it became sending dms or reacting to snapchat stories with flame emojis. We never knew friendship before it became keeping up a snap, a snap streak, or using each other like props that look popular on instagram so it goes on, it goes on it's so good.

Speaker 1 55:25

Can you send that?

Speaker 2 55:26

over to my place.

Speaker 2 55:27

I'd actually like to read that yes, it's very good very, very good, very very good and there's, there's a video, there is there is a sadness about it when you read something like that and you know like life goes on, life passes you by and whatnot, but there is a. There is a sadness that people will not get to experience that like the board games I never was a big board game, board game person, but like you see kids now and they're constantly on their phones, they're constantly doing this there's no board, no board games. There's no. I was going to call them recreation activities, but I don't want to use that word now, but there's no like other, like swinging a ball around, for example.

Speaker 1 56:00

Swing ball yes.

Speaker 2 56:01

Doing all of that playing badminton in your garden, playing football me making mud pies. When I was younger, playing with my baby boring doll, I'd have a game of swing ball.

Speaker 1 56:09

today, have we got a swing ball?

Speaker 2 56:10

Yeah, we do. I don't know where it is, it's probably up there. Oh, I'd have a game of swing ball. But you know, there is such a sense of sadness because it's right and like if you did. It's like when we were talking about it on the last podcast, when you went people and they've never known anything different to that, they've never known a camera, bringing a disposable camera out of you, like I touched on this before and then go and get the pictures developed like one hour photo and it's just all of those things. There is such a sadness.

Speaker 1 56:44

Previous episode.

Speaker 2 56:45

When you do think about it. There is a sadness about that.

Speaker 1 56:49

Look at this Fiona.

Speaker 2 56:50

Yeah, that's literally evoked something in me. This is what I need to. No, that's literally evoked something in me.

Speaker 1 56:52

This is what I need to do that's, that's that's really evoked. I'm reading, I'm reading articles like this every day.

Speaker 2 56:56

I want, I want to.

Speaker 1 56:57

Actually I'm reading stuff like this all the time. You know that's a very good one, but yeah but it's quite long, so I just they're sick to the quote.

Speaker 2 57:03

It's very, very, very very good, definitely evoke something in you. Um, and you do, you do you do mourn for people, for people like I. Look at the kids and I'm just like you're never going to have any of that. Yeah, fair enough. When you're a kid you don't really think about it, do you? But your reactions to stuff and how you have to do stuff, you can. You can kind of resonate with it a little bit, because nowadays you do go to your phone and you do. You do look for, you do seek support from, like social media. People put stuff on social media to get a response from other people, not to deal with their emotions and stuff like that. It's just it's, it's the response.

Speaker 2 57:37

It's constantly having to be connected to something else via social media, not to another person yeah, I can only imagine what it's like for school kids and like you know, if you did something, if you did something in school nowadays, if you kissed a boy in school, the likelihood is the next day, like you know, remember the fear. You wake up with the fear of what you've done, like many years ago, like when you were 18, 19,. You wake up with the fear of what did I do last night? Oh, fucking hell. No doubt this day and age, that'll be spread all over social media.

Speaker 1 58:10

Well, yeah, and it'll just spread in a little circle of people. Yeah, exactly, and everyone will be talking about it. All the school kids, you know. Like the fear is something you kissed him. Oh, look at this yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 58:17

The fear is something that you think that you've done, and you may not have done anything. However, if you did, kiss somebody or whatever, it's just shit. It's just really shit.

Speaker 1 58:30

Clots.

Speaker 2 58:31

yeah, right, okay yeah that's evoked something in me there, benjamin, excellent.

Speaker 1 58:34

Excellent. Well, maybe because you're more, you're the kid, you're like the kids. Yeah, You're like the children. I don't know you know whatever about the kids, but it's a very interesting article. Yeah it's very good Like there's lots more about being a child.

Speaker 2 58:52

Fiona Fake lashes, like you know. I see little Robson, she's got the fake nails and I'm just like, oh God, like you know, whatever do we want. But it's just like I used to be making mud pies and playing with baby-born dolls at that age.

Speaker 1 59:06

Oh, that's the next thing we need to add in. We need kitty floggers. I, we need Kitty Floggers. I've talked about it. I've added the feet.

Speaker 2 59:11

That's taken 10 episodes but I've got that in there.

Speaker 1 59:15

Longest episode by a country mile, this one. But I've just tried to be a bit more concise. No woes.

Speaker 3 59:21

Minimal woes. The woes came out a little bit but it's not well done, is it?

Speaker 1 59:25

We're approaching two and a half hours.

Speaker 2 59:28

It's backfired spectacularly we're giving you from Ben and Walker.

Speaker 1 59:30

It's backfired bloody spectacularly, oh my god no just going back to that thing.

Speaker 2 59:35

Please send me that right. Thank you, that's all I've got to say in the matter.

Speaker 1 59:39

I did have something else to end on, but, oh Christ, very quickly, very quickly, I had something else to end on, but I released a video from one of our earlier episodes when I was talking about keanu reeves, you know, I said I said, oh, he's a bit crap, isn't he not very good? Okay, comfortably, our most viewed video. It is currently on 4 289 views. This is on tiktok, so it's a bit I don't know. Yeah, I'm not getting tiktok, but 70 comments some of them are from me responding, but yeah, people were very cross, very cross. Keanu reeves has been in more than just john wicks terrible knowledge here. They got 12 likes did you?

Speaker 2 1:00:18

did you say that he's only been in john wicks films?

Speaker 1 1:00:20

there's obviously plenty to say about the comments, but okay I have commented back just with like short things maybe I should get myself on tiktok for entertainment but there's a couple of people here that was stuck up for me, not fully, but just when. Oh look, loving these defences from the Keanu stans. Where's the lie? So where's the lie in what I'm saying? Yeah, thank you. Thank you, peaky. Yeah, thanks, peaky. I would like to see you do better.

Speaker 2 1:00:47

You're not an actor, not too bad okay no, no, that was quite good for me.

Speaker 1 1:00:50

That's the sort of thing I would say like just do, just do better. Oh yeah, okay, it's the character and not the actor and his ability to act. Kiana reese fantastic actor, it's the character. The character was like that. Okay, literally hang up the headphones and get a job. Who even are you? Oh oh, now what did I said I'm blushing. Do you have a job? Question mark there is one. Oh. Someone said you know he has Asperger's right. What's that got to?

Speaker 2 1:01:19

do with anything. It's got to do with anything.

Speaker 1 1:01:21

So his Asperger's makes him a shit actor. Okay Right, that's okay. But a lot of people agreed with me. They were, were just, they were just. They were quite hesitant to go all in because a lot of people were getting very cross well, that's going back to our india lady.

Speaker 2 1:01:34

What do you call her? What do you call her again?

Speaker 1 1:01:35

couldn't agree more.

Speaker 2 1:01:36

There you go what do you call her?

Speaker 1 1:01:38

what's a miss of a take? What's a prayer?

Speaker 2 1:01:40

india oh, fray india you have no idea you can't go on do any to post anything without other people's opinions oh, this one was quite good.

Speaker 1 1:01:46

The lighting for the episode was quite bad on this one. It it was really dingy when we were sitting there I was like oh yeah that's it.

Speaker 1 1:01:53

It looks rotten. It looks murky. Nice, no, it was too dark. It was too dark. Shit to take, but also £400 on a microphone Surely you could buy a light or two. No, wasn't quite £400, but yeah, it was quite dark and the lights were on. It was just a really dingy day out there. It was winter, all right. The irony is that the the comfortably the most viewed post that I've dropped so far from this podcast was me talking about a film well, on that note, I hope everyone pushes their head from the pulls of life.

Speaker 2 1:02:29

Oh, hang on, fiona, let me just let me end on this, because we had a couple of comments on on youtube as well.

Speaker 1 1:02:33

Oh dearie me, oh dearie me, okay. So man, what was the? What was? No one looks. Oh this. So this was you. So this was you talking about the gym? You know, we talked about the gym and you were like I hate going to the gym, those are grunty men and steroids and all this stuff. And I made a. Did you see the video that I posted? No, with the steroid man jigging his arse.

Speaker 2 1:02:53

Alright.

Speaker 1 1:02:54

Yeah, that was quite a funny video. Didn't get much traction. A couple of comments, though, on YouTube, so it got a little bit of traction. So you were talking about yeah, you know, people, people watch you and they stare at you and all this stuff.

Speaker 2 1:03:06

They don't though.

Speaker 1 1:03:07

Someone said YOLO1690 commented and said nobody's looking at her anyways.

Speaker 2 1:03:13

Oh nice.

Speaker 1 1:03:17

No one's looking at you. Yolo, we're getting there, Fiona, oh there we go. Quite refreshing that you got a bit of a hit there. That was quite nice. Yeah, that was quite nice. Yeah, I responded with just going. Oh, I'll make sure I tell her on the next episode. She'll be thrilled.

Speaker 2 1:03:28

Oh, thank should be should be frilled oh, thank you.

Speaker 1 1:03:30

Thank you, there we go, there we go, so keep commenting, keep commenting, get the name. Well, no don't say that, because I said that on the the kiana reese thing and I think that tanked it. I think if you start, you have to be, you have to be social, they have to be upset. Yeah, all right. No guys, you know that kiana reese post really, really hit me, so I'd prefer, I'd, I'd really prefer if you didn't comment anymore. I'm really upset, you know.

Speaker 2 1:03:54

I'm upset, you're not.

Speaker 1 1:03:55

I think Fiona's actually a little bit upset you're not yes, right, so, yes, so that was our version of mean tweets you know the mean tweets you say yeah hey, don't keep them coming guys she's getting it, I get it. Okay, holy shit, anything else absolutely not CTA. Goodbye she's getting it, I get it. Okay, holy shit. Anything else, absolutely not CTA.

Speaker 2 1:04:15

Goodbye, quick CTA what's the CTA call to action? Pushing your health from the poles of life. Push, pole health, push pole health.

Speaker 1 1:04:22

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Speaker 2 1:04:43

But he doesn't have a job.

Speaker 1 1:04:44

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Speaker 2 1:04:53

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Speaker 1 1:05:00

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Speaker 3 1:05:16

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Speaker 1 1:05:21

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Speaker 2 1:05:28

I hope so. Goodbye.