Push Pull Health
With a temper as short as her legs, Fiona joins Ben every week to forcefully 'Push Your Health From The Pulls Of Life.'
Expect Foul-mouthed narcissistic ramblings on fitness, nutrition, film, and life coaching.
The weekly audio & video expansion on the world-famous 'The Daily Rot' email also includes:
Usefully Useless Fitness and Diet advice.
Half-arsed film reviews.
The exploitation of children.
True Crime recommendations.
Nutritious leprechaun-inspired recipes (short and to the point)
Narcissistic wisdom.
Howdy,
I'm Ben, the only 'health' coach who allows you to embrace your Rotten attitude towards exercise and nutrition!
I'm asking you to give the middle finger to your yo-yo diet and half-arsed exercise routine in JUST 30 Days!
Have you tried to improve Your health in the past...?
Are you sick of yo-yo-ing from one restrictive diet and hideous exercise plan to the next, begging for it to end so you can slip back into old habits - only to start the same rotten cycle again?
You can count your own reps...
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Ever wondered why stress makes you feel a certain way or why some emotions dominate your daily grind?
Join us on the Push Pull Health podcast as we dive into the fascinating relationship between the brain and your emotions!
We'll explore how your brain works and how well it was depicted in our half-baked review of Inside Out, covering the stresses of life like money, food, and more.
Expect to be entertained with fun brain facts, including the incredible speed of neurotransmitters & how the central nervous system plays a crucial role in our mental and emotional health.
Curious about what keeps you motivated?
We unpack dopamine and its essential role in goal-oriented behaviour. By breaking down complex brain mechanisms into engaging, accessible conversations, we reveal how dopamine drives motivation and its connection to conditions like Parkinson's and ADHD. The hypothalamus makes a special appearance, influencing hormone regulation while we keep things clear and concise.
Ready to rethink dopamine?
We dispel common myths and clarify the distinction between serotonin and oxytocin. Plus, we introduce the intriguing concept of the Chimp Paradox, helping you manage emotions by distinguishing between rational and emotional responses. Explore the evolutionary mismatch affecting our health today, the modern inconveniences contributing to an obesogenic environment, and the challenges of social media and vape pens.
Parenting in the Modern Era:
We reflect on parenting and the balancing act of exposing children to life's realities. Get ready for an episode that blends science, humour, and practical insights to help you understand your brain better.
With a temper as short as her legs, Fiona joins Ben each week to forcefully 'Push Your Health From The Pulls Of Life.'
Expect foul-mouthed narcissistic ramblings on fitness, nutrition, film, and life coaching.
The Weekly Audio & Video Expansion on The world famous 'The Daily Rot' email includes:
Usefully Useless Fitness and Diet advice.
Half-arsed film reviews.
The exploitation of children.
True Crime recommendations.
Nutritious leprechaun-inspired recipes
Narcissistic wisdom.
Howdy,
I'm Ben, the only 'health' coach who allows you to embrace your Rotten attitude toward exercise and nutrition.
I'm asking You to give the middle finger to Your Unrestrictive diet and Half-arsed exercise routine in JUST 30 Days...
Have you tried to improve Your health in the past...?
Are you sick of yo-yo-ing from one restrictive diet and hideous exercise plan to the next, begging for it to end so you can slip back into old habits - only to start the same rotten cycle again?
You can count your own reps...
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Your emotions are doing inside your head right now, like that little teenage boy last night in the film. That's what your brain's doing, f***. That's what it's doing, Ben yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Something, yeah similar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Hello, hello.
Speaker 1:Which one is it Fear Anger?
Speaker 3:Disgust, let's go.
Speaker 1:Okay, one, two, we're doing. Okay, one, two, three Do you have the lip seal. I always come prepared.
Speaker 3:Oh phew I can't hear myself.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, I can, Sorry, Push, pull yeah.
Speaker 3:I was just talking off camera, off mic.
Speaker 1:Right focus.
Speaker 3:Ben this table so either the table's shrinking or I'm getting fatter.
Speaker 1:I said the table of shrinking babes.
Speaker 3:I felt this on the sleeping episode. I felt like I don't know because it dragged, it was very long and lots, lots of info like this. Oh my God, this is, but I felt constricted. Same again.
Speaker 1:Maybe it's the weight of the amount of hair you have on your head.
Speaker 3:It's weighing you down, ben. Oh, this is yeah. Yeah, this is not good. This is not good. Feel constricted. What's going on? Help?
Speaker 1:you ain't getting help over here what's going on in my brain?
Speaker 3:that's it gotta stop swearing fiona oh have to stop swearing, because that's really, really a problem, I think on YouTube. Are we recording? Yes, you can't swear. Okay, cannot swear. If you swear.
Speaker 1:Well, let's start again, then I won't swear.
Speaker 3:Just stop swearing. Let's try and not swear.
Speaker 1:Uh-huh, who's going to be the first one to?
Speaker 3:swear, let's try. Let. And every time we swear just do something. So when I'm editing I go oh, beat that out.
Speaker 1:Life doesn't work like that, Ben. If you swear, it just happens, don't you? No, I look at the lips, sorry.
Speaker 3:Lather up. I've got the lip seal here just in case, just in case things get stressed, just in case the brain starts to overload the brain. Okay, two minutes in, let's go Push, pull. Okay, two minutes in, let's go Push for health, pushing your health from the pools of life. I'm here. What do? We do All right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm here. Can you look at me please? Unfortunately, Yep, I am here. What do we do?
Speaker 3:What does push for health? Do Get it in Early Bang. No woes this week. No woes yet, because they the sleeping episode, this episode so the next couple of episodes?
Speaker 1:oh, is that a?
Speaker 3:war no.
Speaker 1:I'm oh, I thought you were out about to sleep an episode, yeah but you want me to have woes.
Speaker 3:That's why you were gagging to butt in there. Oh, there we go. He's woeing over there. Shut up, you love it. You love watching me torture myself over here you love it.
Speaker 1:I don't actually.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, alright less woes, get to the point quicker that's what people want.
Speaker 1:People want information that will help them uh huh, so let's get on to that information, the woes.
Speaker 3:Not quite yet. Not ready for it, the world is not ready for it yet. They will be sprinkled in during the episode, as always, because you can't avoid them entirely. Not ready for them yet, so what does?
Speaker 1:they will be they will be one day. What does push pull help do, ben, tell us all.
Speaker 3:Oh, excuse me, what I've done there. Pushing your health From the pulls of life. Pushing your health from the pulls of life.
Speaker 1:What does that mean?
Speaker 3:The pulls, the pulls of life. What are the pulls? We've discussed this before the pulls of life. What are they to action? What are the pulls, fiona, what are the pulls of life for you? Stress?
Speaker 1:This Finances Food Wine which I've given up. Well, kind of All those things, Smoking for some children for some work exercise, even though that could be a positive for some other people. What the hell?
Speaker 3:There you go, that's what.
Speaker 1:Jesus, never do that again, jesus.
Speaker 3:What's going on? I'd like to get in there. Actually, I'd just be like guys what are we up to? How can we make this better?
Speaker 1:Fun fact neurotransmitters can travel for 185 miles per hour. Neurotransmitters travel for 185 miles per hour. Your neurotransmitters, the synapses of the brain.
Speaker 3:Interesting. There you go, right, okay, nice, nice, okay. Brain fact number one there you go, we're off.
Speaker 1:So what's today's episode been then?
Speaker 3:It's on the brain. No way.
Speaker 1:The brain and what part of the body system is the brain? Who?
Speaker 3:I don't know. You tell me, Fiona, the central nervous system. Oh wow.
Speaker 1:Consistence of the brain and the spinal cord, better known as the CNS. What is this?
Speaker 3:What's that? That's when you receive a round of applause, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Right, so that's the brain anyways. So that's the end of our episode. Let's move on.
Speaker 3:If Right. So that's the brain anyways. So that's the end of our episode. Let's move on. Oh, I find my fear in life Lonely. Two big episodes back to back, sleep and now the brain.
Speaker 1:So would you like to kick off the?
Speaker 3:brain or die Will.
Speaker 1:I ask you a simple question about the brain.
Speaker 3:No, because your questions are too broad. Your questions are annoying because you go. What does the brain do?
Speaker 1:What is the brain?
Speaker 3:do? What is the brain? Okay, oh, for the camera. There we go. What a stupid question. How do you want me to answer that? What does the brain do?
Speaker 1:I didn't say that. I said what is the brain. I didn't say what does the brain do. It's even worse. What is the brain? It's a complex organ. That's all. It is Okay. There you go, ben.
Speaker 3:Right, right. No, I think, maybe, maybe with these episodes, some of these, don't get too worried about all the different mechanisms that go into stuff like sleep. That's where the sleep episode went wrong Two and a half hours, just. I haven't edited it yet. No, I need to stop saying that I would, by this point, just short facts, just in and out. That's probably the best thing to do. We haven't got to go through all these. We'll go through some of them, but we'll just go. This is what dopamine is, and here's an example, and that's it. Just move on. Just move on, because you will be here for six hours. It's complex, as you can imagine. The brain is bloody complex.
Speaker 1:It is. I just said it's a complex organ.
Speaker 3:So, even though that question was stupid and far too broad, it actually makes a little bit of sense. It's gone into my brain and I've got it's gone into my brain Actually. Okay, right, so that can shape the episode. I've got all the notes here. We're not going to get through them all because it will take too long.
Speaker 1:It's a complex organ. That's all you need to say.
Speaker 3:Ben, why have you asked me the question then? So you could try and look smart? Yeah, it's like oh, I don't know, fiona you tell me.
Speaker 1:No, you could just go round and round about a circle and start going into all these mechanisms. Oh, interesting, it's a complex organ, ben Right. Well, there you go then. Briefly, it's on camera, because I can actually do that.
Speaker 3:Because, yeah, you see, you try to get me and I'm getting.
Speaker 1:Oh, did you just swear, I'm getting smarter.
Speaker 3:I'm getting smarter because I didn't take the bait did I so.
Speaker 1:It's controlling every memory, emotion and every process that the body requires.
Speaker 3:Right Wonderful. Everything Breathing, eating, sleeping everything and we will get into some of them.
Speaker 1:Talking everything, eating, sleeping everything, talking everything, we'll get into some of them, some of the layers. So us doing this now, me saying these exact words is controlled by my brain yeah, layers we'll get into the layers.
Speaker 3:There's not technically, there's not layers to the brain, I don't think.
Speaker 1:But well, there's five different parts of the brain okay, right.
Speaker 3:So I was going to go through the three main layers again, technically not layers of the brain, but just to give you a sense of what's some of the stuff that's involved?
Speaker 1:oh, I'm intrigued. One two, three I'm intrigued, hit me baby dopamine is a neurotransmitter oh is it that promotes goal-orientated actions.
Speaker 3:Think of it as the motivation hormone okay I've got plenty of dopamine.
Speaker 1:I'm highly motivated. Oh no, what's happened? Oh God.
Speaker 3:Oh, no, oh, everything's crashed. Oh, for God's sake. So dopamine the iPad's back is a neurotransmitter that promotes goal-orientated actions. Think of it as the motivation hormone. There we go. Okay, hasn't crashed this time, Right, okay. So what do you know about dopamine?
Speaker 1:So if your dopamine transmitter, your neurotransmitter, if it goes, or if it becomes a deterioration of that hormone within your body, or if there becomes a deterioration of that hormone within your body, then that could one of the most common known health conditions affected by dopamine neurotransmitters not working would be Parkinson's. You said it was very goal-orientated, so it also affects balance and all of that. And I'm pretty sure whereabouts is it located in the brain? Is it the hypothalamus?
Speaker 3:I believe so, yes, yes, but this is where it gets lots, lots to it. Because, the hypothalamus is then based in. You've got the basal, the basal ganglia is oh deary me. No well, the basal Is the hypothalamus based in the basal ganglia. The basal ganglia is what houses everything else in that region of the brain. Okay. So the hypothalamus, for example. Yes.
Speaker 1:And the, the pituitary gland and the pineal gland For hormones I know we're not talking about hormones in particular, but for hormones. You also then have your thyroid, which is controlled by your hypothalamus as well, and then you have your parathyroid and all of that.
Speaker 3:Right.
Speaker 1:So that's all controlled by the hypothalamus, which is in the brain.
Speaker 3:I believe the hypothalamus is based in the basal ganglia.
Speaker 1:Who knows, it's the brain.
Speaker 3:As we said, it's a complex organ. But it all links into dopamine.
Speaker 1:We're not scientists, are we dear it?
Speaker 3:all links into dopamine. So, stick to dopamine.
Speaker 1:But look it's an interesting conversation.
Speaker 3:It just dopamine, so stick to dopamine. But look, it's an interesting conversation. It just I don't think it really matters in the grand scheme of things because not a lot of people are watching at the moment. So it's okay, you can get stuff wrong and you go, do you know what? Hey, I got that wrong, it's complex.
Speaker 1:More research. That's all I'll say on that matter no, the research has been done.
Speaker 3:All the notes are here is just as always. They're just thrown onto the page. I'm back to 2014 uni days here and I'm getting concerned that my iPad's going to blow up again. Oh. Yes, I've got a few things about dopamine yes, Hit me baby. Yes.
Speaker 3:Deficiencies in dopamine. No, I'm not going to get into that, because that's deficiencies in dopamine and serotonin. Which can, I believe those two? If you're deficient in serotonin and dopamine, that can be one of the major causes of ADHD, being that can be one of the major causes of ADHD. Being deficient in those two.
Speaker 3:Probably they're the two main ones, not going to get into that now Not going to get into ADHD. Holy hell, no, not for me. No, thank you. A lot of people get confused with dopamine because they believe you get a hit of dopamine once you've got the thing that you desired. So, once you have the meal. When you're eating the meal, it's like, oh god, I'm now being just flooded in dopamine. That's not the case. The dopamine is released in the build-up before you get to the reward.
Speaker 1:Whatever the reward is that you're seeking okay, but so my motivator is doing my overtime. So I just feel dread. I don't feel motivated to.
Speaker 3:I have to do it what's going on there, my body links into a very, a very good quote by a very intelligent man I do love not what. I say this till the end but this links in because we're talking about dopamine. Dopamine is not about the pursuit of happiness, it's about the happiness of pursuit. Pursuit of happiness. It's about the happiness of pursuit. Dr robert sapolsky, very intelligent man, lots of books about the brain and stress. We'll get into those, but he knows his stuff good, good man he talks about the layers as well.
Speaker 3:I said about the three layers of the brain, so you have to be careful. This is this is why you have to be careful. This is why all this is tough. Because you have to be careful. This is why you have to be careful. This is why all this is tough. Because you have to enjoy. You have to find ways to somehow enjoy the process, because if the dopamine hit is happening during the process rather than when you get to the like for you getting the mortgage.
Speaker 1:Well, surely it has to serotonin, though, when you get that because you're happy, the serotonin links in, yes, as well. But the mortgage, the mortgage, well, surely that's the serotonin.
Speaker 3:Though when you get that because you're happy, the serotonin links in yes as well, but the mortgage, the mortgage we're talking about the mortgage you get in the house. The problem is, if it's completely dog shit all the way up to getting that key and your head has been in the bin for 99% of that, you've got a problem because the dopamine's not. You're not getting flooded the dopamine. Once the door comes unlocked, once you turn the key, you're not getting flooded. The dopamine's already been released.
Speaker 1:So when do you get your sense of achievement then? Where does that come in? Because that's surely a dopamine response.
Speaker 3:Well, the sense of achievement is you've put the work in to get there, haven't you?
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay, fine, is you've put the work in to get there?
Speaker 3:haven't you? Yeah, so I'm saying in the actual individual, in the individual situation so if you've got, if you're waiting to have a night out or have the dinner or whatever, or have the house push ball health. This is why I was, this is why the woe is coming to play a lot, fiona, because I'm struggling with this and the concept of it makes a lot of sense sense, but it makes me sick because my head is in the toilet a lot of the time during the week.
Speaker 3:That's the problem, that is the issue, but at the same time, and what? Are you going to do about that? At the same time, I'm on board with it. I get it. How are you meant to avoid it, though? How are you meant to avoid it? Personal health it becomes. I reach my goals. I take over the area Number one PT Online. Become big Online PT, I get all the goals that I want, but if I've been absolutely miserable the whole way through and someone goes, ben, you've done it.
Speaker 3:You've reached your goals. Pushable health Number one in the podcast charts. How do you feel? Yeah, terrible've done it. You've reached your goals. Push for health number one in the podcast charts. How do you feel? Yeah, terrible.
Speaker 3:Not good, not good, really. Yeah, rotten, actually Rotten, because I had a rotten attitude the whole way through and it took over Dopamine. That's the struggle, isn't it? That is the struggle. The problem is that people have got is what happens. So you've got to try and enjoy the pursuit. You have to enjoy the pursuit because you might not reach your goals. So you've made yourself miserable for God knows how long, trying to get somewhere, trying to reach a goal, and you might not quite get that goal. You might get something else or something close, but you might not quite reach that goal. So if you've been miserable the whole time, double trouble, isn't it? You don't reach your goal and you'll be miserable the whole time. But the people that might be saying this and leaning into this type of ideology and going by this quote, they've got to where they wanted to get to and now they've maybe ascended it and they've gone further. Push. Well, as I keep saying, I will, I will take over, I will take over once I do that's the door for me.
Speaker 3:Motivation once I do, then what? Then what? So okay new goals yes but it's easy. It's easier for people that are successful or have reached their goals to then start dropping this sort of dropping these sort of quotes and having this mindset. You've got to enjoy the process. Okay, Because if you don't. This won't mean anything if you reach your goals.
Speaker 1:The process is shit.
Speaker 3:Right. Unfortunately, a lot of the time, the process to get to somewhere is pretty tough. A lot of the time the process to get to somewhere is pretty tough. Yet again, you just I guess you just got to find ways and find things that bring you joy in that process. Maybe, maybe the, maybe the process itself or lots of, lots of aspects of the process are just are just terrible. I've done plenty this week of this process which are like this process. This is sickening, this is horrible doing this. So what do you do? You have to sprinkle it with stuff that you do enjoy and you make sure you keep doing it. My trip, my own training, pushing my health from the pools alive not really, not really. The pools alive are really getting me at the moment big time. I've got the pushball health private studios of private studios a mere 10-second commute and I'm struggling.
Speaker 1:I'm struggling and that my friends is Ben's Dorpemoon wall Kind of. Quite interesting though, yeah, interesting.
Speaker 3:Reasonably interesting.
Speaker 1:Puzzle of wall.
Speaker 3:And I think a lot of people can relate to that yes, definitely. A great quote.
Speaker 1:Oh, a great, excellent one.
Speaker 3:Oh, it is Robert Sapolsky, an excellent man, very knowledgeable, oh, dear I have a chocolate.
Speaker 1:I'm having a sip.
Speaker 3:No, just read it again, just to make sure. Dopamine is not about the pursuit of happiness. It is about the happiness of pursuit.
Speaker 1:Good quote, but shit quote as well. Do you know what I mean? Well, I think all you can say you need to be realistic with certain things all you can say is what can you control?
Speaker 3:you can't control the hours you're doing at work, you can't control. You can't control other people outside influences, you can't. So what can you control? What can you make sure you?
Speaker 1:do how you react to things, and this is where your chimp paradox comes in, which we'll talk about later.
Speaker 3:Oh, are we? Oh yes, oh, you've got notes, yeah great. Oh no, not really. Oh well, I've got notes, but I'm not getting them out. I'm not talking about that. Another book. There's too many.
Speaker 1:But that's. The only thing that you can control in life is how and how you let it, how you let yourself respond to it Stoicism.
Speaker 3:Mark Manson, you can't control what happens to you, but you can control how you feel about it.
Speaker 1:There you go. That's what I was trying to think of Right. You're so clever.
Speaker 3:Not really Health and fitness, Exercise, nutrition. You might not be able to control a lot of stuff that happens to you but you have to try and find ways to make it tolerable, so get your ass down to the push. Pull health studio right the pursuit.
Speaker 1:You've got to try and find happiness in the pursuit I have to say I have been enjoying my workouts with you. There we go.
Speaker 3:I have been on that the app 25 minutes here. We didn't mention the app. Yes, not me. I'm too busy. I'm too busy. Unfortunately, I'm wrestling with the machine, I'm wrestling with it, so I'm too busy to actually train you one-to-one at the moment. But I am on the app, the Push Pull Health app that.
Speaker 1:I'm not talking about enough.
Speaker 3:It's very good. I should be talking about this all the time. I keep talking about the Pushwell Studios. Lovely place, but realistically, the vast majority of people that might watch this or listen to this aren't going to be coming to the Pushwell Studios. They could be in Botswana.
Speaker 2:Where I don't even know where it is. It's pretty far away, okay.
Speaker 3:So, by all means, if you want to fly over, I'm here. But realistically, how else can I? How else can I provide you value? How else can I? How else can you hire me? Hire my services. Push pull health app.
Speaker 1:Push pull health app so online, he's trying to say, and if you sign up online you'll get access to the. The push pull health.
Speaker 3:Oh, there's so much stuff on there.
Speaker 1:There is a lot of stuff on there, yeah, and he personalises them to you as well, I do Because I like the. Alcatel Bell stuff these days, apparently, and he's changed all my workouts for that, haven't you darling?
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, a lot of work, a lot of work, thank you. But I've got some people on the app. I've got quite Experiences, but what I mean by that is that they're enjoying different aspects of the app. So that might just be the exercise program, the program that I designed for you, bespoke, of course, you know. Bespoke the nutrition, so you're tracking your nutrition.
Speaker 1:I like the tip page Checking in on that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, the tip right. Yes, protein options, recipes, more meal ideas. I'm not providing meal plans, I'm not doing meal plans. I'm not telling you what to eat. I'm just providing you ideas, quick tips, quick protein hits, protein snacks, snack swaps.
Speaker 1:I'm bloody proteined up these days, aren't I? I'm getting quite good with my protein stuff.
Speaker 3:Lots on there.
Speaker 1:I've completely changed how I eat throughout the day Completely. Thank you. Ben, Anyhow next.
Speaker 3:It's almost like someone goes sell yourself and you think, oh, I don't want that, no, just come to me. No, you've got to sell yourself. This is a very intense episode. That's why, annoyingly, we didn't get this done at the start.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Is there a problem?
Speaker 1:here, Fiona. No, just my phone is doing something.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so Push for Health app Link will be in the bio. Have a look at it. Get in touch. Whatsapp link will be in the bio. Have a look at it. Get in touch. Jump on whatsapp. You haven't got to jump on a call if you don't want to.
Speaker 1:You know, calls nice to say hello message dm slide indoors dm jump on whatsapp.
Speaker 3:Let's just be like regular human beings. Let's have a chat over over message how you getting on or voice not yeah, or voice. No, yeah, and then maybe, judging by what you've seen of me and judging by how our conversation goes, we can then maybe jump on a call and then go from there. So I'm getting very conscious of my hands yeah, you're so handsy. Dopamine, bloody hell. Okay, right, come on.
Speaker 1:Come on, holy hell, focus now.
Speaker 3:Holy hell, cont dopamine, bloody hell. Okay, right, come on, come on, focus now. Holy hell. Contrary to popular misconception, dopamine isn't the happy chemical that releases when you receive something pleasurable. It's the chemical that motivates you to seek out pleasures.
Speaker 1:Yes, okay, so it's the motion, it's the motivator for you to seek out happy stuff. The happy hormone is the serotonin, isn't it? That's known as the happy one, and then the love hormone is known as oxytocin okay, we'll get all those fiona we'll get, we'll get there.
Speaker 3:Finishing off on this guy called morgan housel. I know him. Yeah, psychology of money yeah, what's. Oh, what's his no, oh, what's the new one I read? Oh god, he's got a new one, new book that I read a couple weeks ago, very good, oh, what's it? Google it I don't even know, just morgan how's or what's it called I don't even know how to spell how it's about how things don't change things over over the over the years. They don't actually change. Everything stays.
Speaker 1:Everything stays the same morgan, how do you spell? How's go? H-o-u-s-e-l the psychology of money same as ever.
Speaker 3:Same as ever. So he talks about how he's on holiday and how, whilst he was on holiday, he saved up lovely holiday with his family and he was watching the sunset. I just can't wait to come back next year and do this again Whilst he was on the holiday.
Speaker 1:I do that. Yeah, I do that.
Speaker 3:So you're on the holiday've you've done? You've you've? You've reached your goal, you've got there, and all you're thinking about is your next goal, the next goal, or, oh, I can't wait to do this again. Okay, you're still currently doing the thing that you were working towards so why don't you just enjoy? It just just try and enjoy that first straight up, we all do it, we all do it I've got about, oh no, I've got stuff about ozempic and, uh, we're going you don't need to know, we don't need to know about that very interesting.
Speaker 3:That's what I've been reading about a future episode ozempic future. Maybe not a whole episode, but we'll touch upon it okay, next hormone stash, nor transmission should I talk about the recommended books, or should I leave that to the end.
Speaker 1:Leave that to the end, okay.
Speaker 3:Right, so let's just go through the brain very quickly, the three layers I banged on about.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, sure.
Speaker 3:Right, so base level. I believe some people call this the reptilian level. So this controls our most basic and instinctive processes, the things you have little or no control over. For example, if the oxygen levels in your blood fall too low, the reptilian complex will signal you to start breathing more heavily, which is why you start panting when you exercise. So it's just the basic stuff Stuff that you don't think about Make sense Yep. So that's the base level. Yep, middle level, limbic Yep so that's the base level. Yep. Middle level Limbic system.
Speaker 1:Oh, yes, I know this.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:Oh no, I don't know that word.
Speaker 3:What do you associate the limbic system with?
Speaker 1:I'm assuming that's your processing.
Speaker 3:There's a bit more processing involved yes. This is quite wordy. So the limbic system is associated with emotions, in more scientific terms, with positive and negative responses to stimuli.
Speaker 1:Interesting Next layer. No hang on oh, sorry, the limbic. Yes.
Speaker 3:Is the part of your brain responsible for emotions like fear and anxiety. Ooh. Sexual longing. Ooh.
Speaker 3:This is the interesting part. So the limbic system is close to being fully formed at birth and is developed during our early years. So this very much links in with people talking about their childhood and how all this stuff is imprinted into their brain from a very early age. I think it can be quite easy to just sort of dismiss people when they say oh well, I've had all these things happen in my early childhood and this has shaped my whole entire life, and of course I would not. I'm not necessarily talking about like really horrific things. I'm talking about quite basic things where, if you've, if you've watched your mom and dad have an argument, in the grand scheme of things it might not be like horrific. If it's every single second of the day, yeah, probably quite damaging. But all these little things events that in the grand scheme of things if you look back and think, oh well, yeah, it's not the end of the world, like they were arguing or went out and I saw one of my parents drunk or something.
Speaker 3:You think, okay, you know, like probably not the end of the world, but because of the olympic system and how it's formed and it's formed in your. But because of the olympic system and how it's formed and that is formed in your early years and it doesn't really change. You can control it as you get older, but there's not a lot you can do about it. It starts to make a lot of sense when people say, yeah, my childhood has really shaped my, my life. And that might not be footsie with the table for the camera, it's just stretching my toes. That might not be anything serious, but I I'm assuming that the more serious it is and the more damaging the events that you might have, they may have witnessed, as a child regularly do occur so tough bloody hell.
Speaker 1:Yes, not good no limbic system, not good. No bad system, yeah well, it's just a good system too it could just set people up for it, for a disaster.
Speaker 3:It can be constantly spiked through stressful, miserable things we watch and people we encounter. All right, so yeah, so, yeah, so it's, it's always on. Well, there's a lot of misery in the world that's not good, is it? So every time you go on the phone, even stuff that you probably associate that you might in your head, might say in your brain that you probably associate, that you might in your head, might associate in your brain, that you might associate with oh, this is okay, I'll just waste a bit of time.
Speaker 3:You don't even you don't even probably realize how miserable it can be the old limbic system's just on fire going. This is. This isn't good, this is junk.
Speaker 1:Stop watching it Can we have a more positive system please.
Speaker 3:But consciously you're just like oh yeah, oh yeah, oh God, yeah, more people have been shot. Oh, oh oh, she's got a new car. Oh, she looks nice. Yeah, oh God, she's got a way bigger bum than I have. Oh, I wish I had a bum like that. Oh, that was okay. That was fine, no big deal. I feel okay after that.
Speaker 1:Do you?
Speaker 3:Oh no.
Speaker 1:Oh, next system. We didn't have this, though, did we? I find this depressing.
Speaker 3:I don't like the limbic system, but this is a whole, so the limbic system's taking a fucking bashing. It's taking a bashing, isn't it?
Speaker 1:Well, it is.
Speaker 3:Well, someone has to. No, but life's tough. The world has been full of misery for forever. It's not like it's getting worse. Well, it is okay, you can argue it's getting worse, but I mean it's just. It's so accessible. Misery is everywhere you turn. You can't get away from it. 20 years ago, you couldn't just pick up your phone and go oh god, what's the latest bit of misery in the world? Oh, oh no yeah, you had to hear it. Switch the bloody TV on and go. Oh, let's just go on the news, oh Jesus. Yes.
Speaker 3:Yes, oh, there's so much. It's very interesting. It is interesting. There's so much to it. I just don't like the limbic system. I don't want to talk about it. I want to move on to something more positive. Okay, so that's the middle level.
Speaker 1:See the misery. It's miserable talking about it. It's feeding on us right now. Ben so let's just move on, because I'm sure the next system is how we control our limbic system.
Speaker 3:I've got I've got the hippocampus memory informing new memories. We'll leave it. We'll leave it at that. The prefrontal cortex, the most rational part of the brain, but directly affected by the limbic system based on hunger, stress, etc oh, is that why I get hangry? So right. So we've moved on from the limbic system, but it's not done with us yet. So, based on what's going on, like hunger, stress, everything else, the limbic system.
Speaker 1:Controls.
Speaker 3:So you're trying to constantly make rational decisions. Well, maybe Some of us are trying to look at something rationally and go, right, okay, how best to deal with this? So you have to maybe step back the prefrontal cortex. Look at okay, right, how to deal with this. Daniel kahneman do you know daniel kahneman? Yeah, thinking fast and slow. Fantastic book, very, very heavy, but fantastic. He talks about system one and two. I'll get into them more in a minute, not too much, because it's it's a lot. System one would fall under the, the limbic system.
Speaker 1:Okay he said you were gonna get into it.
Speaker 3:No, I'll just give you what they actually are.
Speaker 1:Yeah, go on.
Speaker 3:Okay, right, okay, you've started. System one is quick Fight or flight. It's making snap decisions there and then, which is obviously useful, yeah, maybe not as useful now as it was before. Okay.
Speaker 3:Back in the old days, cavemen. Back in the old days, cavemen, because they have to be alive. The bushes were oh, what's in the bushes? Oh God, it could be a saber tooth. Might not be Now that's not happening, is it? But we're still using our system one, still using that limbic system, still kicking in to help us get through the day, but probably using it a little bit too much. We're making snap decisions all the time, yes, when in some cases you can step back and go right.
Speaker 3:System two Just need a bit of context. Just take your time, assess the situation. Anyway, top level is the prefrontal cortex. This is the most recently evolved part of the brain and a feature we share with only our closest animal relatives, the primates. Oh, based on what you are thinking about, the neocortex sends signals down to the limbic system. So there's a guy what's he called? Phineas phineas gage? I think he's called phineas phineas gage. You may have heard of this. This was back in, I don't know, late 19th century maybe definitely didn't hear of him no, but so he, there was an accident.
Speaker 3:He was working on the railroads and there was an accident and he damaged his. I think he got like something through into his skull like a rod and he damaged he severely damaged his prefrontal lobe, his frontal lobe. So this was like 18, late 19th century. No one knew what this was. No one I don. So this was like 18, late 19th century. No one, no one knew what this was. No one. I don't know how much had been done on the brain I think a bit, but not a lot considering the time. So his whole personality changed. So he was just like quite quite yeah.
Speaker 3:But well, yes, naturally now. But back in the 19th century. People don't know what this was. So, yes, I mean he's got a nice mild-mannered man. This happened the rod went into his skull, he became a different person, got very angry, mood swings, all this stuff.
Speaker 1:So that's yes, that links into the prefrontal cortex we've got the partial lobe which is here, which is all about sensation. You've got your opposite opposite to low I can never say that one. It's about your size, opposite, opposite occipital. Then you've got your temporal, which is all about your hearing, and Then you've got your temporal, which is all about your hearing, and then you've got your cerebellum, which is about your fine motor skills and your balance, and then you've obviously got your spinal cord. So that's the parts of your brain Well, not your parts, but they're the lobes of your brain. So obviously that guy was damaged. He was damaged in the frontal lobe of the brain, which obviously is all about your cognitive abilities your reasoning abilities.
Speaker 3:Yes, yes, so people who suffer from head trauma. The frontal lobe may take a bashing, and that's what causes a lot of issues.
Speaker 1:Then you've got people who damage the back of the brain and all of that, like whiplash and all of that. They might have problems with their limbs, with their arms, because that's all about your motor skills, your balance and all that because it's connected to your spinal cord.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, don't they also say about the neuroplasticity of the brain? Yes, so yeah, creating new neurons? Yeah, so they stick. What are the neurons? Creating new neurons?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so they stick. What are the neurons Snaps, the?
Speaker 3:snaps, snapses, snapses, yes. And then when someone, for example someone, has a stroke, that you shouldn't just let them recover for however long and then start doing some rehab, it's like no, no, no, you need to get them back on track straight away and start making their brain work straight away. So the neuroplasticity then starts to kick in as soon as possible.
Speaker 1:Because then the signals are sent via the synapses, aren't they? And they're not being sent, and then your body will get lazy.
Speaker 3:It's good stuff.
Speaker 1:It is very interesting.
Speaker 3:Good stuff.
Speaker 1:The brain is very interesting. It's such a shame that it's so complex, because people shy away from it because of it's just so hard and there's so many different things to it. So you've got your three layers, you've got your lobes, and within that there's a million and one different things as well yes, and forgive us.
Speaker 3:I don't think there's a lot of misinformation, but there's confusion. Of course it's too much. I try to get the balance. That's what I try to do. Try to get the balance. I wanted to look at this all week but, as I alluded to, I was trying to do other stuff. The pursuit of happiness was Calling you. It was tough this week. Tough Because with this, talking about calories, calories are a different thing Bloody calories and the brain, yes yes, so it's a little bit random.
Speaker 3:We're trying not to be too scattergun with this, but it is going to be, I'm sure when I go back and edit this. It's a little bit scattergun. The hypothalamus.
Speaker 1:I don't like the hypothalamus.
Speaker 3:I'm just going to talk about it very quickly. I'm just going to say what it controls. It's the four F's fighting, fleeing, fight or flight feeding oh, I like feeding, I like being fed well, you're gonna, we're gonna really all on this one fornication oh, now you're talking. I love the hypothalamus you just said that you didn't like the hypothalamus oh, I love it.
Speaker 1:I've seen you into a fornication. What?
Speaker 3:didn't you like about it?
Speaker 1:oh, it's just, it's just there, isn't it? It's just it controls too much it controls so much.
Speaker 3:It controls those four.
Speaker 1:Yeah, okay loads of stuff. You're just like no, like that's where wait. The only hormone that goes from the pituitary gland is serotonin, isn't it? The other ones are all controlled by the hypothalamus, the dopamine, the oxytocin and the um end difference, I think they're. I'm pretty sure they're all controlled by the hypo, because the pineal gland that only controls based on the four f's pineal gland controls melatonin, despite your sleep and stuff it does yes, we touched on that last week, didn't we?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, oh, I hope I made those notes. But that goes again into the processes of Link's. A bit more about the brain and gut Link, oh yeah, because you have the second brain in your gut and it's almost like oh, that's a bit silly. Oh no, it's a thing, it exists. New gremlins I have. They are. That's fine and that's no. I want to touch upon them a little bit because the brain and gut.
Speaker 1:You want to touch upon a lot of things the brain and gut, very interesting.
Speaker 3:But we're just talking about the brain, right, okay, so there you go. There's some more stuff about the brain. So, going back to I mentioned very briefly the limbic system, the amygdala system.
Speaker 1:one operates automatically and quickly, with little or no effort and no sense of voluntary control. So, like we are now, we're not thinking about it, we're just responding to each other. Yes, to a point yeah yeah, I mean like system.
Speaker 3:One is me like just punch you in the face because you've annoyed me, I was gonna. Just I'm step back and gone.
Speaker 1:Oh, should I punch you in the face.
Speaker 3:That would be system two, how's that gonna look on camera?
Speaker 1:I don't know that would be system be system 2.
Speaker 3:System 2 is me, yes, me, going. Do you know what? Let me uncock the fist.
Speaker 1:I got it.
Speaker 3:Because that won't look good. System 2 allocates attention to the effortful mental activities that demand it. The operations of system 2 are often associated with the subjective experience of agency, choice and concentration. So, having more time, step back.
Speaker 1:So thinking about what you're doing Exactly, rationalizing your thoughts.
Speaker 3:Okay, yep, that's not going to get into carnivore now because, right? Okay, so there we go, system one and system two. We've talked about the brain a little bit. Let's move on. Let's move on.
Speaker 1:So we're going back to our neurotransmitters now.
Speaker 3:Oh God, okay Right, I'll list those quickly.
Speaker 1:Quickly then, just before we get to that then, oh jesus, we meant, yes, so with the dopamine, we just started with dopamine, and now we've got you're right, okay, so we start with dopamine, didn't we in the near?
Speaker 3:it's a neurotransmitter, the motivation hormone, because there's a hormone as well.
Speaker 1:All right, okay should we talk about the love hormone?
Speaker 3:I'll just you can do. I'm just going to bring this up quickly. Oh, no, no, no, oh, this is it. Oh, there you go. Yeah, oh, it was in my notes. Oh, that's, that's why it popped to my head. It was in my notes already about the, the stroke victims okay that's, and this talks about the neuroplasticity and and the use it or lose it yes, idea, right, that's the book.
Speaker 1:Isn't it use it or lose it, or is it articles on it or something, isn't it?
Speaker 3:where is this from this? These notes, the book? Right, okay, yes, this, yes, these notes were from the book Range by David Epstein. Good book, very interesting, but I'm sure there's, I'm sure the neuroplasticity about the use or lose is in lots of different things. Okay, you want to hang on. So you want to talk about the rest of the neurotransmitters.
Speaker 1:Yeah well, why don't we just focus on one? There's four. Is there four. I believe there's more than four. Well, there's five main ones, but I don't know what the fifth one is. I can't say it.
Speaker 3:I've got the notes, fiona. Don't you worry, don't you panic well, it's not fair, just mentioning one well, I know, but talking about dopamine, we've touched on serotonin a little bit.
Speaker 1:Yes, serotonin is the happy hormone, so it's about making you happy, and if you lack that, then obviously you're not as happy. So depression and all of that. That's why you have to go on ss, srt's, so that'd be like antidepressant medications, all of that this is ser.
Speaker 1:Yep, oxytocin is the love hormone. So the sense that the feeling, the feeling of love that you get when you are, you know, breastfeeding mums they'll get that when they're going through lactation, when they've given birth. You know, when you just simply, when you're an affectionate person, simply going in for a cuddle or a hug, the feeling that you get.
Speaker 3:Okay, so serotonin. I've got some notes here for you.
Speaker 1:Good, excellent. I'm sure yours is a little bit more better written than mine is, or better said Goes without saying.
Speaker 3:Serotonin is a neurotransmitter that plays a crucial role in mood regulation and adaptability to stress.
Speaker 1:You did say it better than me, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Role in mood regulation and adaptability to stress. You did say it better than me yeah, yeah, yeah, people with high levels of serotonin are easygoing and adaptive to change, showing low reactivity to stress. High levels of serotonin make individuals well adjusted and happy, acting as a mood balancer.
Speaker 1:I was waiting for you Individuals, well-adjusted and happy, acting as a mood balancer. I was waiting for you to do that.
Speaker 3:80 to 90% maybe of the production of serotonin happens in the gut. Does it. Yes, I believe so. There's the main connection between the brain and the gut. Again, lots to it, but there's a main thing.
Speaker 1:There's one thing that connects the two.
Speaker 3:Eosophagus, no Right serotonin. So gut issues like IBS, crohn's disease, low stomach acid and leaky gut can impact serotonin production, as serotonin is largely created in the gut there you go.
Speaker 1:So it's about the absorption isn't it?
Speaker 3:it'd be about absorbing and all that kind of shit. Yes, yeah, okay, that makes sense then, okay, right, so?
Speaker 1:we move on then that's, that's serotonin. So we've also got oxytocin, the love, so you mentioned adrenaline yep noradrenaline right okay, yeah, so rapid change and hyper reactivity, yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:So we've got glutamate oh yes, glutamate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's glutamine?
Speaker 3:please wishing glutamate is a neurotransmitter, believe it or not?
Speaker 3:that amplifies the brain's emotion, emotional response to stimuli yeah, so it reacts to stress and shit so people with high levels of glutamate tend to think in terms of emotions rather than facts and figures. Glutamate can quickly change our mood from extreme joy to extreme sadness. Glutamate is attracted to beauty and can easily lead to falling in love. Low glutamate levels can cause low energy and mental fatigue. Oh, yes, glutamate. Yes, so MSG, the stuff that's involved, that's ran into a lot of diets. People lose their mind about glutamate, which also links into the book I was reading. So it's all linked. In which book?
Speaker 1:was that Ben?
Speaker 3:It's called the Hungry Brain. Okay, stefan Guyenet. Very, very interesting, very interesting. Lots of notes I can't get into too many of them because we're almost an hour in, but worth a podcast in itself, okay, just just very good stuff, very good stuff, okay. Yeah, so you've touched on adrenaline, right? Okay? Yeah, talked about dopamine there's obviously more but talked about serotonin gaba you need to talk about that go on, if you've got it written.
Speaker 1:Tell me a little bit about g.
Speaker 3:It plays a role in calming the nervous system and promoting relaxation.
Speaker 1:Oh, the meditation hormone.
Speaker 3:Low levels of GABA can lead to anxiety, sleep problems, increased pain perception and other symptoms.
Speaker 1:Is that not a hormone that you can get daily as a supplement?
Speaker 3:GABA something, gaba meds or something Potentially I imagine that someone's probably trying to peddle it. Yeah, the neurotransmitter stuff is again very interesting because I remember I I read about this a long time ago. Then I did a course that talked about program design. But it was talking about how you should think about trying to program or design your programs and the type of exercise that you do for different clients, right, okay, well, that makes sense, based on their goals and injuries and yada, yada yada, but also based on neurotransmitters. It's a bit much, but when you start training clients and you start seeing more people and how they react and how they are stimulated by the forms of exercise that you go through, it starts to make a lot of sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, well, like me, swinging my kettlebell around Much more better than lifting a weight.
Speaker 3:Even though I'm still swinging the kettlebell. So I wish yes, so that will be. And here I've got all these different types of clients and what they well, they enjoy, what they're stimulated by, and then, based on what they're stimulated by and what they get the most from, they will then maybe have higher levels of this and higher levels of that. Very oh very interesting.
Speaker 3:So yeah, so bloody brain yes, so, for example, one of my clients beforehand not now, she wasn't the best, she was unbearable, actually she was terrible, but she was no. No, this this is before pushable health. People in the pushable health studio the people I work with online good people, good people. That's why I work with them, because it's never worse. Is that getting people through the door that you just can't stand? We're not doing people. Good people. That's why I work with them, because there's nothing worse is there Getting people through the door that you just can't stand? We're not doing that push-for-health, we are not doing it. But this woman before this was before push-for-health Awful, just awful, awful, terrible. But she used to really enjoy training for the full hour and with no rest and it was unbearable. Any exercise I how hard it was, how many reps, how much time it was. She used to do it be half dead, pretend that she wasn't and then hands on hips going like right you know what's next now that sounds like me unbearable.
Speaker 3:It was like do you know what? Just catch your breath. Catch your breath, because your form on those last three reps was disgusting. You're going to break your back and I've taught you properly, so give yourself a little breather. Now I'm ready to go. Neurotransmitters Couldn't slow down. This might be more associated with more women as well. They like to come in and I was going to say they like to receive a pounding.
Speaker 3:Sorry, ben Sorry, maybe one of the extra perks of the Pushmore Health Studio. What I mean by the pounding, of course, is that they like to be worked hard. They like to be worked hard in the Pushmore Health Studios and online on the app and on the app.
Speaker 1:I think I'm going to come in here.
Speaker 3:A virtual pounding?
Speaker 1:Yeah, but interesting so yes, but that's what I was saying to you the other day using the Pushpull held app. I was doing, and I'm super set and everything, because I just like to get in, get it over and done with.
Speaker 3:I'd rather do be killed for 30 minutes than spend 45 minutes in here oh right, so you're like her then, yeah, oh, I am, oh, dear, I am, oh, and she was that's why, I hated working out with you is because it's so slow.
Speaker 1:I would just rather crack on and just do it. It's no break yeah, just go, just go, hit me I'll do my I'll do my elastic bands, and then I'll go on to the ball.
Speaker 3:That's fine and I'll do it. There's no issue with that. But you have to within reason, because if you start doing a kettlebell swing but it turns into a squat and you hurt your back and you're not doing it properly, then it becomes a problem, doesn't it? Especially if you've been given that by me or I'm watching you do it and then you hurt your back and you just go. I've got my back. Who's to blame for this?
Speaker 3:it was not me well, I am good for him, so as a surely as a and surely as a as a personal trainer, who you're getting paid money to watch your clients and give them the correct instructions and make sure they're doing it safely. Watching some someone break their back doing some exercise they can't do properly because they're knackered or they're doing it wrong because they're knackered, and then giving themselves minimal rest and then do it again. Well, it just becomes a job, doesn't it? And that's that's the thing.
Speaker 1:This is a job, but it's something I enjoy when my dopamine is released during the exercises, because what motivates me is by only having one more round left. So I make sure that I do it properly and I give it my 100 no issue doing 100, just make sure that you're giving yourself enough.
Speaker 3:But anyway, so it's just so. We're not going to get into what neurotransmitters that she had, high and low, and but interesting once you start seeing different clients come through the door. Goals, but also how they like to train and like to take their time, and that could be based on neurotransmitters. Very interesting.
Speaker 1:What about the chimp paradox?
Speaker 3:Do you want to talk about that?
Speaker 1:So the chimp paradox was a book that we read when we were travelling, and it was by what year was it? 2012, is it?
Speaker 1:No idea, steve Peters. So the Chimp Paradox is a way of understanding how our minds work and allow us to understand why we act, think and feel the way that we do. By understanding how our chimp operates and how this affects our thoughts and behaviours, we can begin to recognise when we're in chimp mode and learn to manage our emotions better. So my initial response usually is to be pissed off or to be angry. But by understanding and thinking rationally, just for like literally 10 seconds, it completely changes how you respond to somebody.
Speaker 3:So this is system one and two in play, isn't it?
Speaker 1:So it is. That is. That's what it boils down to System one and system two. The chimp paradox from my understanding, the light's on and do I look good?
Speaker 3:Oh right. Oh, that's annoying. Normally I have the light off.
Speaker 1:Anyway.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so I don't really understand fully what the chimp paradox actually is.
Speaker 3:I know, obviously it's about your emotions and response, responding and all of that. But how did it come about being called a chimp paradox? Like well, it's interesting, it's like obviously it was done by test.
Speaker 1:You mentioned something about monkeys or animals earlier, but you it was on a test done on chimpanzees, wasn't it like how they responded to things? And then that's when it came to be known as the Chimp Paradox.
Speaker 3:But it goes into the book, goes into planets as well, not planets in the sense of actual. It's a good book. It, like couples all the elements that go into the brain and your responses and it puts it into planets.
Speaker 1:It changed my life? Yes, it does Not really.
Speaker 3:Obviously, like this episode might do, but it's. It's quite accessible. So, for people that want to learn a bit more about why they react the way they do and how the brain works, I don't think it goes into. Well, no, it does go into about how the brain works, but it's more about why yeah, why?
Speaker 1:why this is happening? Why?
Speaker 3:are you reacting this way under stress, to your partner? Whatever so I think, I think for, yeah, I think for a lot of people.
Speaker 1:It's quite, it's quite accessible so it's probably worth a look, yeah 9.99 on amazon, or you can buy it on short form and just read the short version.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, yes, you can. Yeah, I'd say, that's the sort of book that, yeah, probably worth reading the short, for I'm not gonna lie right. So yes, the shortened version. I mean that's the case for a lot of books these days that realistically you can get I got a lot from that and get 95 of what you need from skimming it or reading a summary realistically, unless the author you well, the summary.
Speaker 1:It went into all of the chapters on the book.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, so it took me a while to read it, yeah yeah, like a normal summary, like, depending on what the book is. Yeah, you're still going to be reading it, for depends if you, if you read it on 2.0, I read it on 2.0, so the summary is about 45 minutes, maybe up to an hour, so I can maybe knock out in half an hour oh, aren't you still pretty good yes, yes, I think, so I think I am yeah well, that's the brain, that's the complexity of the great brain, the clump oh oh yeah complex.
Speaker 3:The brain is switching off.
Speaker 1:That's my frontal lobe. My cognition is wearing thin. Now Right Cognitive abilities.
Speaker 3:Oh, here's an interesting fact. Whilst I was just going through my notes on this book. Can't find what I want, though. In humans, the brain eats up one fifth of total energy usage, even though it accounts for only 2% of our body weight. Should have probably said that at the start.
Speaker 1:Probably.
Speaker 3:Well, there's just too many notes for you. Exactly what do you want me to do? It's all just good stuff. One fifth, but only makes up 2% of our body weight.
Speaker 1:A lot going on up there.
Speaker 3:There you go. No, I just wanted to confirm what's the main. No, I just wanted to confirm what's the main. No, I just wanted to confirm what the main. What connected the brain to the gut? That's it. That's all I wanted to do, just confirm it.
Speaker 1:Google it. Then the vagus nerve.
Speaker 3:The vagus nerve. The vagus nerve, that's the one, yes, but again, annoyingly, I don't know where all my notes are for it. Maybe I just didn't copy and paste them over from the book, so I'm gonna have to go through the whole book to to find the notes I want. Annoying, it's annoying. The vagus nerve, yeah, so that that that's the main, the main nerve that links the brain to the, to the gut. Let's wrap it up. The brain and gut connection can maybe wait for another time, because that's a whole different thing in itself.
Speaker 1:Yes, it seems like there's a lot.
Speaker 3:What can that link, although that can link in with that can link in with hormones, with other hormones. We've talked about some hormones, but we can link. We'll have another episode on other hormones, yes, yes, and we'll link it in. How's that sound? Sounds great so very quickly, before we get to the film, I wanted to touch upon the being in a a bcogenic environment, and I don't really know why I wanted to touch upon it what is a bcogenic environment?
Speaker 3:no, I just need to just try and figure out for a second why I wanted to touch upon it because whenever you open the fridge, you'll put chocolate into your mouth right? Yes, but in terms of how it links in with the brain, because of all the signals that are being sent to our brain all the time, which links in with the brain and gut, and now the fact that we're in this obesogenic environment, it's pretty difficult.
Speaker 1:So what is an obesogenic environment? Ben?
Speaker 3:It's an environment that's not set up very well to aid you in looking after your health or exercising Elaborate. So for, for example, that house over there is an obesogenic environment because there is chocolate everywhere and everyone is working from home so I don't have any problem.
Speaker 1:But whenever I open the fridge you have to make more effort to move around.
Speaker 3:you have to make more effort, so move around. You have to make more effort, so using more brain power to avoid eating chocolate and snacking. And that's just being at home isn't it as well?
Speaker 3:So people who work from home, depending on how their environment is set up and we've talked about environment before may well be in an obesogenic environment. There is food everywhere. It's very accessible. The hungry brain is what this talks about how the environment that we live in has changed right. So, finishing off, then, fiona, because your shoulders are hurting, need a massage. Yes, we don't offer that, the push wealth studios, unfortunately. Well, not for you anyway. You know, smitha, about the uh pounding, but I want to talk about cavemen and genetics, and I've said about how you hear people talk about oh, we can't help it. It's not our fault because our ancestors and the cavemen we can't help ourselves because they used to go around. They weren't worried about snacking, they were quite gluttonous, weren't they really? You think about it, but they had to be because they weren't in this environment well, they were doing a lot more, weren't they as well?
Speaker 3:yes they had to go work for the food. They were moving ahead a lot more. They had to like pick their own potatoes, right, exactly grow their own potatoes and do all that this links into what carrots and shit, but they just don't go down to Aldi and buy a packet.
Speaker 3:They were gluttonous because they had to be. Even if they were eating something or had a big feast, they weren't really going. Oh well, I'll put that in Tupperware and put it in the fridge for tomorrow I know we're just going to eat all this now so they would buffet themselves because they were like, well, this might be, we might not eat for another four days, yeah, okay, well, fine, but we've moved on from that, haven't we surely? Well, no, no, we haven't, have we?
Speaker 3:We haven't moved on from that mindset based on genetics in the brain, so we're stuck with that. We're still stuck with that mindset and now we are in an obesogenic environment. So if we're still stuck with that mindset and we haven't adapted yet, oh dear, oh no. So now it comes into a lot more about willpower.
Speaker 1:Exactly.
Speaker 3:Right, which also links into something I've got in the Read Around the World. I'll end on this Two things Food is the easiest method of satisfaction Sex, drugs, etc. You don't even need to leave your house.
Speaker 1:Is this Read Around the World? No, no.
Speaker 3:This is just based on this book. Right, that's true, isn't it?
Speaker 1:You don't yes.
Speaker 3:Of the 2.6 million years, we were hunter-gatherers for 99.5% of it. Then we were farmers, looked after ourselves, mowed the land, mowed the land. I get what a farmer is, what do we do? Mow the land. What do we do? Mow the land. What do farmers do? Sort of land.
Speaker 3:They look after the land they make their own food to eat Subsistence Plough Is that right? Subsistence Farmers? They're subsistence, aren't they? Everything they produce is for themselves, Obviously, they're. Now we moved on and started selling it to people, but they produce their own food, Right? So that was for 0.5 percent of the time, and we've been industrialized for less than 0.88 0.008 percent of the time. Our current food system is less than a century old, not nearly enough time for humans to genetically adapt to radical changes that have occurred. Our ancient brains and bodies aren't aligned with the modern world, and many researchers believe this evolutionary mismatch is why we suffer from such high rates of lifestyle-related disorders such as heart disease, diabetes and obesity.
Speaker 1:That's interesting.
Speaker 3:Right, that's what I was trying to get to, and I've got lots more, but I can't find the notes, annoyingly. So we're moving a hell of a lot less and, in the grand scheme of things, we've only lived like this for the last 0.008 yes and the last century or so, our eating habits and our lifestyle habits have changed dramatically. So not only are we moving a hell of a lot less than we were before, we've got a whole plethora of options of food that can literally be handed to us.
Speaker 3:We've not got to move, we've not got to move?
Speaker 1:Well, you don't, but I do because I have to make a thing.
Speaker 3:No, you can click on your phone or you can go on the laptop and go. I want this delivered to my door. So, you might have to get yourself out of the chair, but that's about it. What a time. Okay, Lots more, but anyway. Oh, we need to right. I'll let you do the film quickly.
Speaker 1:I'll let you do the film. I don't really have much to say about it.
Speaker 3:No, it's just, it's part of the experience but it's a good film Inside Out score 8.1. Okay, yeah, so Inside Out, because it's about the brain.
Speaker 1:Yes. So after Riley is uprooted from her life in Minnesota and moves to San Fran, her emotions joy, fear, anger, disgust and sadness conflict on how best to navigate a new lifestyle. Very good, directed by Peter Doctor, who did Monsters Inc as well, and you know who plays Joy in this. You're one from Rex and Recreation Amy Fowler, or whatever her name is yeah, that's the one is there Fowler, maybe Fowler Fowler.
Speaker 3:Fowler.
Speaker 1:Fowler and Joy is Phyllis Smith. You're one from the Office, the American Office. Yeah, and that's all I've got to say about it. Really, there's no real trivia on it, it's just a good film. No trivia? Yeah well, there is, obviously, but it's all crap. It's all about, like, ages and you know all of that, and they were going to have 17 different emotions but for ease they just had five, just all of that like.
Speaker 3:As you get older, obviously your emotions are more controlled, such as seeing the mother well, yes, yes, it links in with with this, with what we're talking about, obviously, but also I didn't realise that number two's coming out in a couple of weeks. Yes, so I'm going to be watching that even though we're not going to be, by the sounds of it, doing a very in-depth, detailed review of this, maybe just mentioning it, linking it in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, my goodness, like the old, get the old algorithm going all the way it's a good film because the imdb, the reviews on there, they're like all over the place. Some people are giving a one-star reviews and all of that. I'm just like shut up it's not a one-star review saying that children don't understand that. No, children don't need to understand that. It's because as you get older, you start to understand your emotions a bit more. So why would a five-year-old understand what's going on in a film?
Speaker 1:right you learn to understand, and that's the point of the film. Maybe that's.
Speaker 3:Maybe that should become part of the thing you could read out one of the bad reviews, one of the one star reviews. That's always quite good. People do that a lot, don't they? They go on amazon as well and they read some of the one star reviews.
Speaker 1:They might like maybe link that in well, I thought it was a good film. I thought the way it showed you know the emotions how to have to work together to actually work better so you to have sadness. You have to have sadness in your life to experience joy. You have to have joy in your life to experience sadness. And it's okay to feel sad, it's okay to feel those emotions that was the biggest thing, wasn't it?
Speaker 3:because it was up until that point, it was all separate, they were all separate emotions and they, they had to basically take turns.
Speaker 1:Oh, we're happy now, but we have to be happy most of the time, hence why happiness was unbearable and then you built up too much emotions and then, when your emotion was built up, you had this sadness, and the sadness wasn't allowed control happiness was almost looking down everyone.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay, everyone, all right. Yeah, okay, you have your little mate, right?
Speaker 1:out of the way she was shoved off. Now we're back to it.
Speaker 3:Oh, don't touch the core memories, yeah but then your core memories are red oh, that linkedin. Yes, a bit of blue and a bit of yellow wasn't it so yes a sad memory turned into also a happy one exactly.
Speaker 1:It ended on a good note, exactly, and it let the foundations of family be restored. What the hell was that? So yeah, good film. I enjoyed it very much so. Anything else for you I? Liked at the end, the boys, the teenage boys.
Speaker 3:Oh, yes, yes, girl alert, girl alert, and like literally, they didn't know what to do. And the cats and the dogs.
Speaker 1:Yeah, do you see? Disgust, the cat, disgust. I noticed this in the trivia that one of them was coughing up a furball. Disgust is coughing up a furball. Oh, I see yeah. So it was just very good. You had a dog just chasing a man like after food. Very good, very good, very good film. I enjoyed that. Right, okay, I'm going to watch two, do you mind?
Speaker 3:Fiona, I'm going to watch two. Yes, yes, well, another minute or so, just because then we can say, oh, we reviewed it properly, okay well done, anything else to? Say, I didn't make any notes on it. Actually, no, there wasn't really many notes to make, on your notes maybe whatever's in my writing oh, crying helps me slow down and obsess over the weight of life's problems oh, that's what sadness says.
Speaker 1:That's what sadness says yeah.
Speaker 3:I think I touched upon how unbearable happiness was like she was yeah, she was yes we need a little bit of happiness, of course yeah, we talked about with the pursuit of happiness.
Speaker 1:Sadness, sad and happy memories. Sadness seeks happiness.
Speaker 3:Did I write that down? You wrote that down. Oh, that's.
Speaker 1:The urge to lie down, the urge to lie face down.
Speaker 3:Oh yes, so yeah, lots of time a day, you see Island destroying after one bad incident. Yeah. So you see sadness lying face down. It's almost like, oh, imagine if you just do that yeah, she's burying her head in the sand yeah, I know, I mean, I imagine, if you could actually just do that. I know so like you're having a tough day and it's like, oh, enough of this, you just switch off you can't see me on the ground, imagine that you wouldn't move the pursuit, fiona don't for me.
Speaker 3:We talked about it but yes, well, unfortunately, I think a lot of people yeah, they, they aren't moving are they.
Speaker 1:It's tough.
Speaker 3:We can cry until we can't breathe that's a bit excessive that's hysterical that's a bit much that's hysterical, I'd call that, yeah, the islands. Well, yeah, the islands very strong emotion, sadness well, are they not?
Speaker 1:all of them are, aren't they?
Speaker 3:well, anger is the disgust, it's disgust, yeah, it's pretty fear.
Speaker 1:Fear was annoying. Yes, scared again.
Speaker 3:I like the dream actually why would fear be one watching the nightmares or the dreams, surely?
Speaker 1:fear should be the last person doing that. No, because fear would be the one that would wake her up if she's having a nightmare, because it gets scared easily, so like the dreams sold. Oh, I see, yes, the episode where, like teeth falling out and all of that, the reason why he didn't flinch with that was because they're common dreams to have. They're really, really common dreams for people to have Teeth falling out yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh, I always have them. Or when I'm grinding my t-shirt, or something like that. Like you know, first day of school things, you know didn't come to school dressed and you know you have those kind of dreams. They're common, so that's why he didn't flinch.
Speaker 3:There you go no, yes, that makes sense.
Speaker 1:Yes, of course, he will be the one watching the dreams yes, what a silly thing for me to say yes, it's hardly going to be joy, is it watching the dreams?
Speaker 3:why not? Something joyful happens in the dreams. Oh, that's nice, I'd like to, oh I've. I'm glad that I shared that with you. No, watching a joyful moment in are all dreams absolutely not surely you need some dreams that are joyful maybe right, what else have I got there? That's it happiness, right, happiness was annoying joy joy. Oh what I keep saying happiness, sadness, right, yes, joy, joy, annoying yes.
Speaker 1:Yes, she was Very annoying. She was kind of just a bit OTT, and it was. It's actually quite good because, although it was like, do you know, when people say, suppress your emotions, she was trying to suppress the emotion of sadness all the time, but it just kept coming back regardless.
Speaker 3:so you have to deal with your sadness first and be honest with yourself before you can actually then progress to have other emotions, and I thought that was very important learning thing, right yeah, and also I guess it links in with with kids and how, how a lot of people may choose to shelter their children from the grim realities of the world, so they must be enjoy it while it lasts. Yeah, which which to a point, yeah, but when? When do you? When do you take the hit? When? When do you start exposing kids more to the some of the grimness of of the world?
Speaker 1:well, it's just letting them know that it's okay to have those emotions, because we've seen that. We've seen that clip where um riley's mother comes into her and just be like you know, oh, you've been so good, you know, we've just moved and we need to keep your dad happy. So if you keep smiling and be happy, everything will be okay. Even though she had her own problem, she was still trying to be positive for her mother, but then the overwhelming sadness, anger and all of those other emotions took over and she just couldn't contain it anymore.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so it's getting the balance. The balance isn't it. It's trying to get the balance between All of your emotions. How much do you allow your child to see and experience in advance of them going out to the big bad world?
Speaker 1:Well, you have to be careful of the fucking limpet though.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, if they're sheltered, if you shelter them too much and then you throw them right. Oh look, secondary school, high school, off you go, have a good time. And they've been sheltered for the first 11 years of their life, oh dear.
Speaker 1:They're in for a surprise Especially now.
Speaker 3:All these kids walking around with what vape pens hanging out the gob Social media. Oh my Christ. Oh my Christ.
Speaker 1:They are thinking about bringing in an age limit for social media, don't they? They are thinking about bringing in an age limit for social media, don't they? Something like that?
Speaker 3:Yeah, probably.
Speaker 1:But yeah, that's Inside Out, I'd watch it. Good, good movie.
Speaker 3:Anything else, fiona.
Speaker 1:Absolutely not no.
Speaker 3:None of my notes.
Speaker 1:None of your notes, no.
Speaker 3:I did have something else and I've forgotten it.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a shame Anyways.
Speaker 3:You know what time it is. Oh oh no, let me just turn up a little bit. Thank god I didn't sing good. Should I do it again, fiona? You don't need to do it again, ben.
Speaker 1:Thank God.
Speaker 3:I didn't sing Good Shall.
Speaker 1:I do it again, no you don't need to do it again, ben, go on, just no, don't. Oh, you're a dickhead.
Speaker 3:I read around the world and I, I, I, I. I haven't worked on the lyrics, any lyrics. You sound like you're constipated. I do need to go to the toilet. Okay, read around the world and I, I, I, I, I. Here we go. I've tried to keep it linked into the theme of the episode about the brain Very short this week.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's a shame. I liked last week's one.
Speaker 3:Okay, so Seneca, you know, Seneca, you heard of Seneca. Right, we suffer more in our imagination than reality.
Speaker 1:That's very true, because you weigh up things, you overanalyze things, you overthink. Very good, I like that quote.
Speaker 3:Okay, great Yep. Trying to think your way out of overthinking, you make the problem 10 times worse. Trying to think your way out to overthinking is like trying to snort your cocaine addiction away yeah, I like that in your desire to move things forward, you actually move things backwards. You'd have been better off doing nothing at all but then you'd never do anything at all. If that was the case, no, but I mean I think. I think the point is it's sometimes when you're overthinking a situation and you're trying to think oh, what do I need to do?
Speaker 3:I need to do more. I need to throw more money. I need, I need to do something, maybe just let it ride out system. System two come here, take that step back. What do you actually need to do? Do you need to do more, or do you need to do less, or do you need to do nothing?
Speaker 1:system two what do you? Think maybe yeah talk dirty to me. System two that's.
Speaker 3:That's probably. That's pretty much it. I've got a couple of things at the marshmallow study should have touched on that on the episode we're still in the episode. So it's. They took kids, put them in a room and they left a marshmallow on on on a plate and said right, we're going to go leave the room now.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, and if you wait, if you can wait 15 minutes, you can have two marshmallows, but you can. You can have that whenever you want, but if you, if you can wait, you can have two of them yeah, I've heard of this and then a lot of kids.
Speaker 1:they just can't wait. They use they.
Speaker 3:I think there's been yeah, this is the main one back in the when was this? The early 70s? The kids that couldn't wait and couldn't delay, who had the marshmallow and couldn't wait for the second one. They then tracked them over the next maybe 40 years to see how they got on with the rest of their life, and it seemed to track reasonably well with the ones who could delay, delay gratification, did better in their test results, had better jobs and were also not overweight. And the kids that couldn't wait, who had the marshmallow there and then couldn't wait for the second one worse results, job outcomes not as good, and were also or worse maybe not all of, but some of them were potentially also overweight.
Speaker 1:Interesting.
Speaker 3:Okay, right, I know I've got a couple more here. Here we go.
Speaker 1:Oh gosh, it's never ending.
Speaker 3:Ego depletion. So this links in again with the obesogenic environment. We're in cavemen all this stuff. We use a lot of our resources or willpower during the day at work, whatever we're doing. So by the time we get to actually making decisions when it comes to food, in particular in the evening which I've stated before a lot of people will tend to overeat more likely in the evening we've had this depletion of our willpower. So if you have to come back after a long day and then you have to, then potentially start thinking about making all this food for the kids or cooking a meal from scratch ego depletion. So our willpower has been depleted. We've got a lot less of it. Bad decisions start to happen.
Speaker 1:Yes, good. Yes, yes I understand that. So I have the cheeky microwave, but really ready the high protein ones, of course.
Speaker 3:Well, it's again there's lots of, lots of hacks in there meal prep. There's the yes, there is. There is quite a few now high protein options in terms of slamming it into the microwave and there's a lot of, depending on what your budget is. There is a lot of of these. You know hello fresh they're. They're obviously rubbish I think hello fresh, to be honest but there's. There's a lot of options for actual decent, healthy high protein options as well and also food.
Speaker 1:Does high protein right?
Speaker 3:so, yes, so there's. There's options out. There. Depends what your budget is. I know like times are tough, but there is options. So if you feel like, if you know for a fact that the willpower is depleted a lot by the time you get back from work or by the time the day's done, maybe have those at hand. At least give yourself the option. It might not work all the time, but at least give yourself the option. Have the emergency fund ready to go Freezer, oh, high protein option. That'll do Not the the best, but it's better than potentially having the whole tub of jerry's getting the dominoes in that's what I do well, get the jerry's and dominoes in.
Speaker 1:I have the. I plan ahead, don't I, for the week right final thing Pavlov's dogs. You heard of that the bell, yes, salivating, yeah. So.
Speaker 3:I'd call it okay, fine, pavlovian conditioning okay, it's a thing where basically people will see things on TV or billboards or whatever, of fast food, of ultra processed snacks and drinks, yadda, yadda, yadda.
Speaker 1:The smell of fish and chips.
Speaker 3:Right. So there's a lot of that going on in the world that will then produce, with the help of dopamine, sensory cues and stimulate your motivation to eat, to want to eat French fries when you encounter them. So these ultra-processed, unhealthy foods with the help of dopamine, which we talked about.
Speaker 1:Gives you motivation to eat it.
Speaker 3:So, like the dogs in the experiment, in his studies, in old Pavlov's studies, eventually, just by hearing the bell, they associate that with dinner time, even if dinner didn't come.
Speaker 1:There's still a bit of drool in the way.
Speaker 3:There we go. So we're surrounded by that, aren't we? Everywhere we turn, we've got it. We are drooling all over the place. I was down by the sea.
Speaker 1:Oh sorry, I was down, I have to jump in.
Speaker 3:You could see I was talking.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, but sometimes I, to shut you up. I was walking by the sea front the other day and somebody had chips and they were throwing them out to the seagulls and the smell. You know what I'm like. I love a bit of salt and vinegar.
Speaker 3:Oh don't we all girl?
Speaker 1:And walking by. Oh Jesus, I was nearly drooling walking by them.
Speaker 3:You were savilating were you? Ah, that smells so good but there you go, there's the cue then, isn't there? There's the cue, yeah, which, depending on what the situation is, depending on if you're not eating, or how the day's been, or all the other things that- go into it. It was a shit day okay, so on a different occasion.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't have gotten tired. You may have gone. I walk by the seafront every day.
Speaker 3:Let's go and get some, and the thing is at the end of the full of you can't escape it. No, if you want the chips, go and get the chips, but you've already. If you've already eaten, don't get the chips. And if you're trying to be if you're trying to be more conscious of your health and you're trying to push out from the portal, if you're trying to do that and you're going to get a large chips and a large bit of cod or whatever I've taken out, sorry be mindful what's going on.
Speaker 3:Be mindful is what we're saying. There is a lot out there. The brain is a complex organ. It is fascinating. Good guy, complex good guy, but he doesn't make it easy, or?
Speaker 1:she, because he or she is using so much energy as well, that dopamine is telling you you want to eat more because it's using up energy.
Speaker 3:Right, okay, that was a bit of a mess, but there's some good stuff. That's standard for us.
Speaker 3:No, no, but it was always going to be a little bit. That's probably why I was a little bit. I tried to get the correct balance between being not being relaxed but then also just allowing things to happen. That's what people want, don't they? They want people, they want you to get to the point and, at the end of the day, I think there could be some value there. It might be a little bit all over the place, but I feel like there might be a little bit of value there.
Speaker 1:Well, I think there's definitely a bit of improvement. Just need to condense them down a little bit Okay.
Speaker 3:So when do we start introducing the 15 minutes of the woes we don't need?
Speaker 1:to lenten it anymore, Ben.
Speaker 3:We need to start having that again, because no, some people might enjoy that Some people might enjoy the Recipe. Oh, just finishing off Recipe true crime podcast.
Speaker 1:So this week, yesterday, for, for example, my recipe I cooked it yesterday and my recipe that I made was a creamy garlic and mushroom chicken dish with fluffy rice. Oh, and you know what?
Speaker 3:it was delicious yeah, so eventually, when we yes, we'll be getting fiona in the kitchen and she will be making these sort of dishes live for everyone and we put them on youtube and all the rest of it, it's going to be great.
Speaker 1:It will be making these sort of dishes live for everyone and we put them on YouTube and all the rest of it. It's going to be great, it will be fantastic.
Speaker 3:Did you like the dish yesterday, Ben Very pleasant.
Speaker 1:You weren't keen on the rice, though.
Speaker 3:I like a little bit of yeah stodginess to the rice. I don't. I don't like my rice too dry.
Speaker 1:I like a little bit of wetness to it if possible. So podcast I love them. Oh Case Files Case Files True Crime. Presents Case 33. The JC JC Lee Duggard case.
Speaker 3:You may have heard of this, jc Lee.
Speaker 1:JC Lee Duggard.
Speaker 3:Okay.
Speaker 1:So let me just tell you this is in the show notes, so it's not a spoiler alert.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she likes to spoil it.
Speaker 1:In the early 1990s, South Lake Tahoe was considered a safe and sheltered place to live. All that changed on June 10th 1991, when 11-year-old JC Lee Duggard was adopted in broad daylight while walking to her school bus stop. Almost two decades later, convicted sex offender Philip Garrido visited the University of California's Berkeley campus, where a staff member noticed something suspicious about why he was behaving, about the way he was behaving. What was Garouge trying to hide and who were the two children he had with him? Doom, doom, doom.
Speaker 3:Right, I do feel like those bios all do ruin it a little bit, don't they? But I guess, if it's in the bio, then yeah.
Speaker 1:I would definitely give it a read, but this is. I remember this case myself. This is why I listened to this case. I remember this. I remember this was all over the news and literally she was abducted for quite some time and I remember there was a frenzy about people trying to interview her and all of this. Do you not remember that? Does that?
Speaker 3:not ring a bell. Okay, are you not spoiling it again now?
Speaker 1:It's Ben, it's a common story.
Speaker 3:You've just said that Maybe she died.
Speaker 1:Well, she didn't. All right, she didn't. It's very good.
Speaker 3:Okay, should I listen to it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is good, right, very good. Oh, he's just so soothing okay case files present right.
Speaker 3:Make sure you mix it up. Make sure, because people maybe want some different options.
Speaker 1:No, I've listened to Morbid. I've listened to Psychopedia. I just want one person telling a story. That's it.
Speaker 3:That's all I want well, that's fine, but you know people like options, fiona. I look forward to when we can eventually start doing the true crime podcast. Very popular true crime. It does so much work, so popular absolutely not anyways, goodbye.
Speaker 1:Thank you for listening. Push your health and pause the life, thank you no, no, no.
Speaker 3:Say it properly. Say it properly, because this is another, another way.
Speaker 1:If people have got through, there's one hour, one hour 42, but it will be shorter than that. Yeah, but, ben, I just need to go now that's, that's the problem, well before you go, please. Thank you for listening.
Speaker 3:Yeah, this is where. What should people do now? Where do they need to go, you?
Speaker 1:should go on to the Push Pull Held episode and sign website.
Speaker 3:Sign up, sign up.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, for some cake and push your health in the right direction. Push it from the poles of life.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're on the socials, ben's on the socials. I'm not, I don't have anything to do with it. That's right. You don't do anything, I don't do anything and, yeah, that's where you'll find him.
Speaker 1:That's about it. The app's very good. I'm going to work out later so yeah, what's the next episode, fiona?
Speaker 3:God knows absolutely more hormone based stuff, guts. Oh you mean the book that I referenced a couple of times.
Speaker 1:You're on about gut. So much the brain gosh thing.
Speaker 3:Yes, the vagus nerve Right. I didn't get into that too much. Again, very complex Hormones maybe, Maybe some more hormones.
Speaker 1:I don't like hormones. I want something engaging.
Speaker 3:That's pretty engaging. You wanted to watch Bridesmaids, didn't you?
Speaker 1:Maybe we'll link it in with that that maybe okay, right, excellent, well, you could. You could do bridesmaids.
Speaker 3:You could link it in with got as well, because there's that scene, isn't there? Oh right, that's not. That's not spoil the next episode for you. Okay, that's great, that's great gracias pushing your health from the pools of life. This is episode. I think this is episode 10, is that?
Speaker 1:double figures, jesus. Only Is it. Double figures, jesus. Only 90 more to go.
Speaker 3:Episode 10. We made it to 10. Jesus what?
Speaker 1:a hero I am Anyways, goodbye. Yeah.
