#15 | Is Taking Ozempic Making People Shallow?

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Curious about the latest buzz surrounding weight loss drugs like Ozempic and Wegovy? 

We break down the science behind these medications, originally developed for diabetes, now making waves in the world of weight management. Learn how these drugs interact with hormones like insulin, glucagon, leptin, and ghrelin to regulate blood sugar and control appetite. 

We also explore the societal implications, the controversies, and the critical role of sustainable lifestyle changes in achieving long-term health goals.

Ever heard of "Ozempic face" or wondered about the emotional and psychological impacts of significant weight loss? We cover it all— from the gaunt appearance that can result from rapid weight loss to the importance of maintaining muscle mass through resistance training. 

The episode also highlights the complex relationship between food, addiction, and emotional well-being, featuring thought-provoking discussions on addiction transfer and the environmental factors contributing to obesity.

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Weight Loss Drugs & Push Pull

Speaker 1 0:00

I'm not clapping.

Speaker 2 0:01

Let's go.

Speaker 1 0:03

One fucking, two, three.

Speaker 2 0:07

You're not in shot.

Speaker 1 0:08

I am in shot. You're barely in shot.

Speaker 2 0:10

So, yeah, you stay there for the next four hours. Stay there, don't move. Push well, oh the mower. That's a shame. That's bad timing, isn't it?

Speaker 1 0:28

So what does push pull help? Do Ben Push your health.

Speaker 2 0:38

The hands seem to have A mind of their own at the moment. The last episode I just kept giving you the thumbs.

Speaker 1 0:42

Okay, so push pull help. What does push pull help do? Ben Thumbs down Not there.

Speaker 2 0:44

There you tell me the last episode. I just kept giving you the thumbs, okay, so push pull, help. What does push pull help? Do Ben thumbs down, not there? There, you tell me. You should know by now this is episode what what episode is this?

Speaker 1 0:52

12?

Speaker 2 0:54

no, I think it might be 11 that doesn't make sense why, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 0:58

I feel like I've been doing this a fucking lifetime still 89 or 88 episodes to go. So Right, what is?

Speaker 2 1:07

Strap in Missy.

Speaker 1 1:09

I'm doing.

Speaker 3 1:12

How are things?

Speaker 2 1:14

No, honestly, I'm not. That wasn't even. That wasn't even for effect, that wasn't for the camera. I've obviously got an issue With my thumbs.

Speaker 1 1:19

Oh right, okay, just like you were having A stroke yesterday.

Speaker 2 1:23

Push for health. Push for health, please. Push for health, please explain.

Speaker 1 1:28

So you're pushing people's health from the poles of life.

Speaker 2 1:31

Correct, yeah, good.

Speaker 1 1:32

And they're coming over to the Push Pull Health private studio.

Speaker 2 1:36

They are yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:38

Or online, whatever works for you.

Speaker 2 1:40

Online. Well, this is what the podcast is for, this is what the YouTube is for. It's for the online. It's to launch the app, the Push Pull Health app. I am itchy for some reason oh my God, you should have seen me during the sleep episode Every five seconds.

Speaker 1 1:54

Take an antifucking histamine.

Speaker 2 1:56

Something. It was either this or this.

Speaker 1 2:00

You do that all the time, Ben.

Speaker 2 2:02

Why Every single time?

Speaker 1 2:06

because you're a pain in the arse. Oh, it's the stress. All right, go on anyway. So what are you chatting about? The app? Yeah, get on the app.

Speaker 2 2:10

Get on the app link in the bio, in the youtube bio, in the podcast, wherever you're seeing this, wherever you're watching or listening, there is an app and you need to get on it. Get on it. Get on it now. Get on it.

Speaker 1 2:23

Have to sign up for a membership please to get on the app. Get on it early, get on it. Get on it now, get on it. I have to sign up for a membership to get on the app.

Speaker 2 2:27

Get on it early. I touched upon this in, I don't know, maybe the sleep episode Go on it early Be one of these early adopters of someone's product. What are they called? What are they called these people? There's a name, there's a term for them.

Speaker 1 2:46

I don't know.

Speaker 2 2:47

There's a term People that go on, the people that something new, something gets launched.

Speaker 1 2:51

Guinea pigs.

Speaker 2 2:53

Yes, but a better term than that?

Speaker 1 2:54

Guinea pigs will do me.

Speaker 2 2:56

I'm pretty sure it's in Malcolm Gladwell's book.

Speaker 1 2:59

I've read that, yeah.

Speaker 2 3:00

Which one?

Speaker 1 3:01

The second one.

Speaker 2 3:02

No, because he's got one. He talks about mavens, which are people that I believe spread the message. So they're the ones that are like oh, pushable health, you must go to pushable health. But there's a Maybe. It is maven Early adopters of something. It's in one of his books, can't remember which one. It's not Outliers, it's not Blink to it. Okay, google it quickly while I introduce the episode. If you just google michael, uh, malcolm gladwell, just just quickly, because it'll annoy me. Okay, so we do. Yeah, so get on the app. Get on the app, early adopters, get on it. Do it, you won't regret it. See, don't need to explain what the app was on the app. Well, probably, yeah, probably. I don't think I ever explained what's on the app, do I? Yeah?

Speaker 1 3:43

Yeah, well, I said it, but it's probably better coming from your mouth, because Training, training.

Speaker 2 3:48

Lots of different types of training At home in the gym, if you go to a gym Resistance Training, strength training, yeah, lifting weights yeah, yeah like, yeah, lots of.

Speaker 2 4:02

If you're at home, dumbbells, just, you can just body weight. If you want to just do body weight, no equipment, no problem. We've got programs on the push your health app for that. If you've got some dumbbells, you've got some resistant bands, trx excellent at the gym. If you want to go to the gym, you're catered for on the app. Nutrition recipes got the recipes? Yeah, they're on there. Snacks you saw there's so many things on there. Just come, give it a go, come have a look at it. It will guarantee and I've seen plenty of these apps now. I've seen them see a lot of coaches. Probably what they don't do is they don't, they don't look at what else to do. I do thumbs there again I'm looking I'm looking at all of them.

Speaker 2 4:44

So I'm getting a pretty good idea about what people have got on these apps, and they vary in quality dramatically, jesus anyway. So yeah, the app. Let's get to the episode. That wasn't too much waffle, was it because that was linked in with the Pushwell brand?

Speaker 1 4:57

that wasn't woes. That wasn't woes.

Speaker 2 4:59

That was very good Ben the woes are now at the end of the episodes.

Speaker 1 5:02

I had a stirring conversation with Ben a few times about his woes, so he's adapting.

Speaker 2 5:11

I feel like something's missing. I feel like something's not on. This all seems a little bit too casual for my liking. Camera on recording. Okay, fine.

Speaker 1 5:18

That's all we need, Ben.

Speaker 2 5:20

So the woes If you've come for the woes if you've come for the woes, because some of you might have come for the woes and I keep telling Fiona that you're not all just here for the health and the fitness and the rambles and the life coaching. You might just here for the woes because they might link in with your own life. They will now be shunted to the back to the end of the episode, unfortunately, which is a shame. Which is a shame. But if you're here for the health and fitness and to have your health pushed, push your health. That comes first. It's all about priorities.

Speaker 1 5:49

Ben, pushing people's health from the pulse of life is the main priority. Your woes is not your priority. It's about them, not me, not me exactly.

Speaker 2 5:58

I still maintain the narcissistic health.

Speaker 1 5:59

Ramblings may help may help people, but I maintain it. Can you please speed up the process because I want to talk about my vagina candle that was unexpected.

Speaker 2 6:15

That's a shame. That really brings the tone down oh okay, that's a real shame well, it's not actually my vagina candle, but let's get to the topic yes, and let's see how that somehow gets its way in. Okay, osempic, oh, the new weight loss drug.

Speaker 1 6:35

The miracle weight loss drug.

Speaker 2 6:37

Well, we've had that before. We've had that before actually. Oh no, I've forgotten the name of the other weight loss drug. Well, there's been quite a few over the years Fen-Phen, I believe was in the early 90s. Or was it like I don't know? Oh, no See, I should know this. Just so itchy. I should know this, but I'm pretty sure Fen-Phen was the drug that the New York Times maybe had on their front cover the new miracle weight loss drug. It's come, it's arrived here. It is Fen-Phen. And what happened to Fen-Phen?

Speaker 1 7:15

Not good. Oh, what was the side effects?

Speaker 2 7:18

I must have it in here, here we go. Yes, fen-phen, here we go. I've here we go. Yes, fen fen, here we go. I've not got one. Actually I think it was the 90s, maybe like 80s, early 90s. So yeah, there wasn't a lot of studies that were done in advance, other than maybe one or two that were like, yeah, no, it's fine, yeah, you'll be all right. So one of the biggest issues I think that was coming out of it after continued use for a period of time were people were suffering from cardiac fibrosis. Oh, fibrosis, yeah, cardiac fibrosis. Pulmonary hypertension as well was another one. Not good for the heart by the sounds of it.

Speaker 2 7:59

Not good. So a lot of people were suffering from that and a lot of people died, I believe I believe at the time again having all the figures which is frustrating. There's lots of notes. I've just got to be carried away on this episode, as usual. But a big payout huge about billions were paid out to these families that either had people that suffered from these conditions or people that died. Lots of billions, the biggest one in history up to that point. Maybe it's been surpassed, but not good. So the, the original miracle weight loss drug, was a bit of a farce yes, yes, a lot of these before we get to ozempic.

Speaker 2 8:37

A lot of these weight loss drugs. I'm sure there's maybe that one's that. No, no, I think. Yeah, I'm pretty sure most of them were based on speeding up your metabolism. That's why you hear about these fat burners, don't you? It's all about trying to find ways to speed up your metabolism so you can then burn calories. You can burn more calories. So Ozempic, which we'll get to, isn't trying to speed up your metabolism. There was actually one called I've got it here for you and hang on, this was back in maybe the mid to late 30s, early 40s, called Reducel. Yeah, not good, not good again. Not good again. It was actually. I don't know the ins and outs of it, but it was. It had chemicals that were quite explosive.

Speaker 2 9:29

It was used in explosives, yes, yes so it actually, in some cases it was cooking people from the inside out. So, yeah, yeah, metabolism through the roof, but you were also cooking. You were burning up. It was raising your body temperature, right, okay, speeding up the old metabolism, but you, you were cooking. Yeah, yeah, you were melting jesus christ. So that didn't last too long. I think that was taken off the shelves pretty quick. That was the 30s I believe I think that was early 30s and then went off the shelves 37, 38 oh okay, so it was like on for what?

Speaker 1 10:05

four or five years.

Speaker 2 10:06

It was yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 10:08

But that's what.

Speaker 2 10:08

I mean yeah, not good.

Speaker 1 10:09

All of these wonderful new drugs and, yeah, they're great, but you don't know what the long-term side effects are going to be. For anything you can tell what the short-term side effects are, but long-term side effects who knows? You're just testing a couple of rats. It's like the COVID vaccine. No one knows what the long-term side effects are. There's no studies because it's just come out.

Speaker 2 10:30

So same with.

Speaker 1 10:31

Ozempic. Nobody knows what the side effects are.

Speaker 2 10:34

Okay, long-term Right. Well, yeah, I was going to introduce the other weight loss drugs, but we just rattled off a couple there.

Speaker 1 10:42

Okay, so Ben, what exactly is what is it?

Speaker 2 10:49

okay, let me get to it. Osempic now. A lot of people say it's um semaglutide. I believe it's actually semaglutide semaglutide yes I believe that's a lot of people saying it's semaglutide. I think it's semaglutide anyway. Who?

Speaker 1 11:05

cares, it's got two brand names. Yes, again.

Medical Terms and Weight Management

Speaker 2 11:08

Yes, no, we'll get to that. Yeah, I'm just, it's just pronouncing the old semaglutide. Semaglutide, okay, is, uh, so ozempic containing semaglutide is a medication initially developed for type 2 diabetes, but now widely used for weight loss, and it has been around for several years, I believe. So it's brand new in the sense of it being used for weight loss and obesity, but it's been around for several years to help people with type 2 diabetes. Okay, so the mechanisms We'll just try and get through these reasonably quick, because it starts to get a little bit science and a little bit sweaty. Okay, so the mechanisms We'll just try and get through these reasonably quick, because it starts to get a little bit science and a little bit sweaty. Okay, glp-1, glucogen-like peptide made in the gut. Ozempic mimics. Glp-1, a hormone involved in glucose metabolism and appetite regulation. Glp-1 receptor activation leads to improved insulin secretion and reduced glucogen release. Now, we've touched upon insulin and glucogen before, haven't we? So we'll get to those again in a sec. Insulin Ozempic stimulates the pancreas, which releases it's glucose and insulin.

Speaker 2 12:27

Insulin yeah.

Speaker 1 12:28

Insulin.

Speaker 2 12:29

Where blood glucose levels are high. Increased insulin helps lower blood glucose levels, crucial for managing diabetes. Yeah See, insulin also plays a role in storing fat and regulating blood sugar, contributing to weight management.

Speaker 1 12:48

Okay, I can see the picture.

Speaker 2 12:49

We've touched upon insulin before, haven't we?

Speaker 1 12:51

We have.

Speaker 2 12:51

So the opposite of insulin is glucogen. We just talked about that GLP-1 receptor. Glucogen is a hormone that raises. It raises blood glucose levels. It raises them, yes, it makes them go high. The opposite of what insulin is doing.

Speaker 1 13:10

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:10

Raises levels by signaling the liver to release stored glucose. Ozempic reduces glucogen secretion, helping to lower blood glucose levels. This dual action, stimulating insulin and reducing the glucogen, helps maintain balanced blood sugar levels. Leptin, leptin, gremlin remember that I get hangry, I get hangry a lot. I love it, when people say that.

Speaker 1 13:42

Yeah.

Speaker 2 13:44

Just eat.

Speaker 1 13:44

You're just at the receiving end of it, aren't you darling?

Speaker 3 13:46

Oh gremlins.

Speaker 1 13:48

Oh, I like gremlins, aren't I?

Speaker 2 13:50

Oh, hangry God, I can't stand that saying, oh, I can't stand it.

Speaker 1 13:56

I use it quite a lot.

Speaker 2 13:57

I'm hangry.

Speaker 1 13:59

No, you just know.

Speaker 2 14:11

You just have your meat. And I said, oh no, I forgot, maybe I have something to eat then. No, that's why I'm a dickhead. Yeah, maybe just eat them, okay, okay, I forget. No, I know, I know, but like seriously, so someone's a complete arsehole. I'm sorry, what? What's that about? Oh, it's a bit hungry, sorry, at least that's sorry. So how old are you? Uh, 32, oh so, so you're an adult 27. Okay, oh, so you're not four.

Speaker 1 14:28

Then Fascinating, okay you're an adult who got hangry?

Speaker 2 14:33

It happens to everyone.

Speaker 3 14:36

Happens to the best of us Talk to a warrior right out of my mouth, maybe just bring your snack box, maybe just bring your lunch box.

Speaker 2 14:40

Bring your little lunch box.

Speaker 1 14:42

Your little snack thing in? I do, but sometimes I forget my lunchbox is there?

Speaker 2 14:44

no, I'm just. I'm saying everyone, everyone who actually says that uses being hangry as a valid excuse to be an arsehole well, I don't use it as an arsehole. I don't know, I don't recognise that I'm hangry at times you recognise it more than I do.

Speaker 1 15:00

And then we everything's resolved.

Speaker 2 15:01

Let's try and just let's work on that, shall we? Okay?

Speaker 1 15:03

so let's work on it Proceed.

Speaker 2 15:05

Leptin, so leptin, so gremlin hungry Leptin. Do you remember leptin? Remember what it does.

Speaker 1 15:16

Appetite.

Speaker 2 15:17

Right, yes, it helps you, yes.

Speaker 1 15:19

It helps.

Speaker 3 15:20

You say do you know what.

Speaker 2 15:21

That is enough. Stop eating. Move away from the plate, go for a walk, get outside. Good tip After you've eaten, move around Helps the old glucose levels Move around. Start going for a walk, dinner Walk. Leptin is a hormone that signals satiety and helps regulate energy balance. Right. While lozambic does not directly affect leptin, its impact on appetite suppression indirectly influences leptin's effectiveness. Users of ozempic often experience reduced hunger and cravings, aiding in weight loss. Right weight loss effects. Ozempic significantly reduces appetite and alters taste preferences, making users less likely to overeat. The medication's impact on insulin and glucogen helps regulate blood sugar, which can contribute to weight loss. Yeah, improved metabolic markers, I don't need that. Hemoglobin A1C cholesterol.

Speaker 1 16:19

So yeah, what HbA1C levels.

Speaker 2 16:21

That's correct, yeah.

Speaker 1 16:22

Yeah, that's the blood test to do for blood sugars.

Speaker 2 16:24

Yes, yeah, all these metabolic markers start to improve. Yeah, yeah, you start to lose weight, right, yeah, okay, so it's linked in with the BMI index. Mm-hmm, you know BMI.

Speaker 1 16:37

Body mass index.

Speaker 2 16:40

Yes, it's. Bmi when it comes to obesity is a bit iffy. It is a bit iffy.

Speaker 1 16:45

It's a bit iffy.

Speaker 2 16:46

I feel BMI is used predominantly without you know, obviously, people, without doctors telling you, just to tell you if you need to lose weight or not. It's not other than that. It's not useless. But it's just like, oh, your BMI is this amount? Oh, maybe cut down a tad, Without saying to someone someone, you're overweight, you need to sort that out, you need to look at that because you're unhealthy. That's the way to do, isn't it? That's the way to tiptoe, dip the toes in someone who's got bmi of 45. They walk in. You know there's a problem straight away. You can't say that, can you? So there's a doctor you have to go. Oh right, let's, let's do the test. Your BMI, your measure, okay. Height, yeah height. Waist circumference, yeah, okay. Sorry, sally, that's a high number, that, yeah. And look, it's not me, it's the BMI index.

Speaker 1 17:34

I'm just telling you what's on the chart it's just a fancy tool to say you're fat in a polite way, maybe, who knows, maybe.

Speaker 2 17:43

So I believe, if you have a BMI.

Speaker 1 17:46

My BMI once was 25.2.

Speaker 2 17:47

Right.

Speaker 1 17:48

I was very upset about that.

Speaker 2 17:48

I'm all the obese.

Speaker 1 17:50

No Over wish.

Speaker 2 17:51

So we get to. Why so BMI?

Speaker 1 17:52

5.2.

Speaker 2 17:53

So BMI, so I believe anything over 30.

Speaker 1 17:59

Is obese.

Speaker 2 17:59

Is obese, right. Anything over 40 is severely obese, yes, okay. So so rosembic is you is often prescribed individuals with bmi of 30 or higher, right? Or those who bmi of 27 or higher, who who have additional health conditions related to weight, such as type 2 diabetes or hypertension. I assume stuff like pcos is maybe linked in with that. Maybe we'll get a little bit of PCOS as well. Limitations of BMI Right? So we just spoke about one. It doesn't give you a. It doesn't separate the fat to muscle ratio, so I should have checked this. Actually, I should have checked what my current BMI is, but I imagine I'm probably teetering. I'm potentially teetering on being technically overweight.

Speaker 1 18:49

You are.

Speaker 2 18:50

Right, are you sure?

Speaker 1 18:53

So what are you? 90-something kg.

Speaker 2 18:54

Oh, not quite a few. We're getting back up there.

Speaker 1 18:56

Okay well, maybe you're not.

Speaker 2 18:57

then Back in my glory days I need to bump up a little bit more. I am around about 88 at the moment. Pure muscle.

Speaker 1 19:08

It's such a twat.

Speaker 2 19:10

Such a twat? Yeah, so that's a problem, that's an issue, isn't it? Yes, so a lot of people who might be in pretty good nick might have a good amount of muscle mass. Technically, according to the old BMI scale, might be in the overweight category. Okay, not too sure about that.

Speaker 1 19:31

you have to use your law for a little bit as well, don't you right?

Speaker 2 19:33

yes, I know, but that's the thing it's. Just it's used for what it needs to be used for. Yeah, if someone walks in who's? Overweight and you can tell by just looking at them they've got a decent amount of fat mass, the BMI scale. They whip out the old BMI scale and go pretty high number. Okay, what can we do about this? Maybe look at Ozempic Other people. It might be teetering, it can be. It's not very, it's a bit rough, but it serves its purpose for what people need to do with it, I suppose.

Speaker 1 20:06

Okay, so what are the other ones?

Speaker 2 20:08

So you've got Ozempic, oh actually well, hang on, I'm assuming, the people that are using Ozempic, which, the people that maybe shouldn't be or don't need it, you know all these, all these social influencers and these celebrities.

Speaker 2 20:20

I'm assuming that we're skipping the BMI. Yes, that's getting skipped completely, because we're talking about it's all well and good having. You know, a reasonably big, muscular woman walks in, or a bloke walks in and looks like a pretty good nick. Oh god, yeah, you're overweight. Oh, no, right. Okay, muscle mass fat ratio's off, but somebody walks in. You know one of the Kardashians walk in who are a size 6. Oh, can you do the bmi scale? No, I'm assuming that bmi scale is not getting used, is it?

Speaker 1 20:50

no, they're just getting theirs from somewhere else not dare be doing the team seeing how much fat to have in their body probably, yeah, no, I mean, I mean, they're just not the bmi scale is not even getting talked about?

Speaker 2 20:58

is it because it wouldn't work with it? No hang on you're, you're already you're already underway.

Speaker 1 21:01

You, you're already underweight, you're dead. Yeah, you look half dead.

Speaker 3 21:04

Oh, but I need to get this extra 10 pounds off.

Speaker 2 21:07

Okay, right, yeah, yeah, we'll get to that, right? So?

The Controversy of Weight Loss Drugs

Speaker 1 21:12

Maybe reduce an implant Sorry.

Speaker 2 21:15

That's controversial.

Speaker 1 21:16

That's bitchy. Who knows?

Speaker 2 21:18

You know who knows Maybe.

Speaker 3 21:19

Maybe, Maybe, maybe.

Speaker 2 21:25

I don't, I don't um I don't keep up with the kardashians, doesn't that what the show is called? Keep me up, I don't keep up with them. Okay, so what have we got then?

Speaker 1 21:30

so what's the different types? So, just to make everyone aware, there is, you've got your ozempic, which is the drug that treats that's used for people with type 2 diabetes, and you also got we govey we govey we govey, which is approved for weight loss.

Speaker 1 21:45

So a Zempik is actually not approved by the FDA, which is the Federal Drug Administration, for weight loss. It is only approved for diabetes. Wegovy is approved for weight loss, but the problem is you've got Elon Musk, or whatever the hell his name is. He went on, he lost his weight through Wegovy and I think he was the first celebrity to talk about Wigavi and because of him then people started buying Wigavi for weight loss and then they realized, oh, a Zempik. Basically it does the same thing, so we're just going to use a Zempik. And then a Zempik became the wonder drug. So it was initially Wigavi first, but Ozempic is not FDA approved for weight loss.

Speaker 2 22:32

So this is what's created the shortage.

Speaker 1 22:34

Yes, so there's a massive shortage.

Speaker 2 22:36

So the people who actually need Ozempic are now struggling to get it.

Speaker 1 22:38

There's three different types. I believe there is another one that people are now getting their hands on and that is actually insured until September. I can't remember. It begins with an M.

Speaker 2 22:46

Monjara.

Speaker 1 22:47

Yes, the one yeah, and you've got Wegovy and you've got the Ozempic, so they're quite in short supply, but a lot of places now. I actually went online beforehand. So Ozempic is a once weekly medication. It's an injection, subcutaneous injection, so underneath the to skin.

Speaker 2 23:00

You give it once a week each injection is each injection is 149 pound okay, so for a month for a month. You're talking 600 it's quite expensive, doesn't you get more than one out of that I believe. So, yeah, oh right, okay, well, I'm not really, I don't really know, yeah, yeah yeah, it's, it's, I believe in the uk it's um, I don't know, maybe like 250 quid, depending on what you get For a monthly supply. Yes, I believe so. I think in America it's a lot more than that.

Speaker 1 23:30

Oh well, yeah, Well, the more demand, the more it's going to go up, isn't it? But because you didn't do your research about the other drug in the 1990s, Ozempic has been related to 20 deaths in the UK alone.

Speaker 2 23:45

Okay.

Speaker 1 23:45

Related to 20 deaths. So cardiovascular issues again. Weight loss.

Speaker 2 23:52

Right.

Speaker 1 23:52

Problems with that digestive problems and there is actually a disclaimer on the thing about how it affects the thyroid issues thyroid problems in animals when it was being tested, but it hasn't obviously been tested on humans for that oh, you see, there's, there's yeah you're not, it's just your.

Speaker 2 24:09

Your um likelihood of of getting thyroid cancer increases, doesn't it doesn't.

Speaker 1 24:15

It doesn't actually go.

Speaker 2 24:15

If you take this, there's a higher probability you're going to get thyroid cancer it just increases the risk.

Speaker 1 24:20

They can't guarantee it because it's only been tested on animals. So there hasn't been anything. Because you know it's, you don't just don't take it and then two days later you've it. Because it's only been tested on animals. So there hasn't been anything. Because you know you just don't take it and then two days later you've got cancer. It's something that develops over time, so you don't have long. You don't know what the long-term side effects are.

Speaker 2 24:34

Well, hang on, fiona. Yes, but, as I said, it has been around for a while. Maybe, not being used as a 2021.

Speaker 1 24:42

I think it's before Wigovie was approved for weight loss. Oh, wigovie right.

Speaker 2 24:45

Wigovie. Wigovie whatever okay, yes, but there would have been a decent amount of studies done based on it being used for type 2 diabetes yes, of course so it's not now. It's now being the Wigovie and the Manjaro coming in to be used just predominantly for obesity and for people to lose weight. Time will tell. There's no free lunch.

Speaker 1 25:09

There's no free lunch what do you mean by that? Ben free lunch?

Speaker 2 25:15

well, it's being lauded as the the it's magic, magic pill. It's. This, is it. We've done it and I imagine yes, I, I early indications like bloody hell. Yeah, potentially, but you almost feel like something, something's going to be lurking, something maybe that they're not aware of right now it's too good to be true.

Speaker 2 25:34

Yes, a little bit at the end of the day, it's only doing. It's only doing 50%. I was trying to keep on track. You see, this is the tough part. I've got the notes here, but I'll start until I finish. It's only doing 50% of what you need it to do. So, yes, okay, great. So you walk in, right, you know you're overweight, you're type 2 diabetes all different things, so we won't talk about that. But you're overweight, you need to lose weight, okay, so it does that Suppresses. It suppresses appetite, okay, now, what? Now, what do you do I?

Speaker 1 26:08

go to Domino's.

Speaker 2 26:10

Right.

Speaker 1 26:12

Yes, I know what you mean.

Speaker 2 26:13

Yeah, it could save life, it could be incredibly useful, but you still need to learn how to look after your health. You need to exercise, you need to follow a better diet. If you're getting ozempic or getting wagovi and all that's doing is enabling you to eat less calories because you physically can't and you haven't got an appetite anymore, but you're just eating less of the same shit and instead of 40 nuggets, you're just getting a box of 20 yeah, but you're still going to be causing cardiovascular problems, so you're still going to be blocking your arteries because of the cholesterol and all of that.

Speaker 1 26:50

So it's not.

Speaker 2 26:51

Well.

Speaker 1 26:53

You're still eating. If you're still eating, the same bad shit just mess off. You're still in trouble.

Speaker 2 26:57

Studies have been have been proven. We talked about the like the twinkie diet. So you can't. You can't get away with eating complete shit with your diet and if you lose weight consistently, your metabolic markers will will improve. So, yeah, so if you're eating, if your diet is just takeaway and mcdonald's and dominoes and and you just keep eating that but just eat less of it, you'll still get healthier. Initially, because you'll be losing weight. Maybe not everyone, but most people will. Most people will show improved signs of being healthier if they went and got their bloods done and, oh yeah, this is all dropped down. Your cholesterol's dropped. Oh, that's great.

Speaker 1 27:36

Well, yeah, but it's not the minority of people, but it is only going to be worth given to a certain amount of people who are willing to put the work in. It's when you've got the problem, where you've got all of these influencers who are already size 6, size 10, size 12 and has to lose a couple of pounds. Example Sharon Osbourne.

Speaker 3 27:59

Oh, we don't want to get sued for that You've got people like she's regretting it.

Speaker 1 28:04

She's regretting it. She's lost 42 pounds. She looks like a fucking gaunt ghost and does nothing to her. And she's weak. She looks frail. She's 72 years of age. Cop yourself on. You should know better.

Speaker 2 28:13

Why she stopped taking it.

The Impact of Weight Loss Drugs

Speaker 1 28:14

She stopped taking it. Yeah, she can't. She's completely drawn in on the face and now she's mourning that she can't put weight on.

Speaker 2 28:24

Which do you want? Ozembic face? That's a thing, isn't?

Speaker 1 28:27

it yeah, gaunt.

Speaker 2 28:28

Yes, people's face just melt.

Speaker 1 28:31

But then again, why is that so? Then there has to be something going on inside your body for that to happen. Why is it attacking that?

Speaker 2 28:38

Well, it's not attacking that.

Speaker 3 28:40

You just become gaunt, don't you A lot?

Speaker 2 28:41

of people if they're overweight will lose it around their face. And, as you know, if anything, it will look worse on people that aren't overweight, so when I've lost weight before I'm gaunt, you're terrible. From head to toe, but my face. I've got a reasonably sized head as well.

Speaker 1 29:01

You do, you do Small legs big head.

Speaker 2 29:05

So if I lose weight, the head remains just as big, but the face gaunt.

Speaker 1 29:10

Careful. It's not the Mike's fault.

Speaker 2 29:12

Gaunt, it's not the Mike's fault. Just doesn't look good, doesn't?

Speaker 1 29:15

look good.

Speaker 2 29:18

Yes, hang on, we're jumping around here. Let's try and stay on track. Where were we there?

Speaker 1 29:22

Where were we there? You have to put a shift in.

Speaker 2 29:24

It's 50%, it's 50%, so you need to make sure to maximize this that you're exercising.

Speaker 1 29:33

Yes.

Speaker 2 29:34

Resistance training, yes, a couple of times a week. Getting your protein in One of the side effects you lose a buttload of weight, but you're going to lose a lot of muscle mass.

Speaker 1 29:45

Yes, and you're going to lose a lot of muscle mass. Yes, and you're going to have saggy skin right so what's the what's the best thing to do for that? Not go to your surgeon to get it fixed?

Speaker 2 29:54

well, yes, of course, but it's. That's the tough part. It depends on what your mindset is. If your mind's going in to take this, it's like initially, maybe initially depends on how, how, how bad your health is it depends on how much weight you want to lose as well, right? Depends on how overweight you are. So, first things first. Let's lose a bit of weight. Okay, step one great, and you'll lose a lot of weight very quickly. But then it's like, okay, then what?

Speaker 2 30:19

exactly you need to have that put in place. You need to have the idea of right, no, but this is just step one. This is just half of it. Resistance training that's booked in. I'm ready to go. I hate the gym. I can't stand it, but maybe now I've lost a load of weight, I can move around a bit more. I feel better, my joints feel a bit better, but I need a personal trainer.

Speaker 1 30:45

Push, pull her, I need to go to the gym.

Speaker 2 30:49

That's a problem. Sarcopenia, no sarcopenia.

Speaker 3 30:52

No.

Speaker 2 30:53

Which in Greek means poverty of the flesh. Piss off, Ben Normally. Is that what's wrong with your legs? This is a serious episode, Fiona. Fiona, if I wanted to, we could be here.

Speaker 1 31:05

Oh no, I didn't ask you anything. We could be here for hours, I didn't ask you anything, and then you'd go off and stomp off. Yes, you have to remember that, okay, I allowed it.

Speaker 2 31:13

I don't watch back these ever episodes. If you go into town, it's like oh, fiona, I could destroy you no, yeah, but just remember that.

Speaker 1 31:20

Okay, Just be very cautious, okay, darling.

Speaker 2 31:26

That you could be destroyed at any second if I wanted to.

Speaker 1 31:31

But anyway.

Speaker 2 31:32

I allow you, I allow you to do it. Yeah, anyway, sarcopenia.

Speaker 1 31:38

Yeah, poverty of the flesh.

Speaker 2 31:40

Normally, or muscle wastage, a lot of people who are older. So you know, 60, 60 plus, maybe, what, like, whatever, but people who are old for the elderly, get that, get that protein in, get that protein in as you get older. If you're not, if you're not doing any form of strength training, your muscles are wasting. I believe it's like after the age of 30, your muscle mass will start to decrease by maybe between 3% to 8% per decade. So if you do resistance training, come to Pushable Health Studios. We can slow the wastage of muscle with a high-protein diet.

Speaker 1 32:19

Do you know where there's good information for a protein, good protein diet or tips on protein diets? The Pushable Health app, yep, oh right, you've got to get on the app.

Speaker 2 32:23

Information for approaching good protein diet or tips on protein diets. The push for health app? Yep, all right, you've got to get on the app, like I keep saying you've got to get. I know not a lot of people are watching this, but, being early, get yourself in because it it's. It's comfortably the best. It's a little bit cobbled together at the moment because we you know the private studios I haven't got a professional videographer filming me. Do all the exercises he's got me.

Speaker 2 32:45

You know the budget is. You know we've got to be careful with the budget. We haven't got the millions yet to build our own app, Not yet, but trust me Anyway it was good. You know get those CTAs in yeah as often as possible.

Speaker 1 33:02

Do another one in five-10 minutes. I'll try. I'm not a professional, Okay right.

Speaker 2 33:04

So it's jumping a little bit. We're jumping here.

Speaker 1 33:06

Okay, proceed. Stick to the thing, ben, you've got the plan.

Speaker 2 33:08

That's the 50%, as I keep saying.

Speaker 2 33:11

But, you're going to lose muscle. So you need to be exercising. You need to be getting some resistance training in. You need to be lifting weights, zempic and Wegovy and all this crap. You need to be doing it. It's important, as you get older in particular, you need to be lifting some weight. If you like it or not, your rotten attitude has got to accept it. You've got to do it. High protein You've got to get those protein. You've got to get that protein in. It's all well and good losing all this weight? Okay, then what? Okay, and also what happens when you start to potentially like either lower your dosage or come off it. I don't think it's meant to be something that you're on forever no right.

Speaker 2 33:56

so if you're not learning how to actually sustain a healthy existence away from this drug, not only are you, you have to worry about the, the, the real possibility of bouncing back up again like you do after a diet. Take, take the drugs away, go on a diet. You know, eight weeks Hope, even if it's a good diet, even if you follow the Push Well Health app, even if you've got a really good, sustainable diet and you're dropping your calories slowly or you're going more of an extreme, maybe, like you know, a mini cut type thing, lose a lot of weight. You know, just cut out all food and do like one of these juice cleansers or whatever. You don't do any of that crap. No slim past. You're not counting sins or points, none of this shit. You've still got to deal with what happens after you've finished dieting.

Speaker 3 34:43

You don't want to bounce back.

Speaker 2 34:44

You don't want to bounce back. You don't want to put on too much weight. You don't want to get back to where you were two months ago and just start the cycle all over again yo-yo, dieting. What's the point?

Speaker 1 34:53

what is it doing to your body when you just do come off of Zempik and you're using it for weight loss, not diabetes? It's going to be a lifetime medication for diabetes, of course, but if you're taking it for weight loss and you just stop taking it, what the hell is your insulin and glucose levels doing? Surely they're going like what the fuck is going on? Surely there has to be some studies saying that it has to do something like pre-diabetes, or gives you, not gives you, diabetes. But there has to be something. There just has to be.

Speaker 2 35:25

Well, we can't get too much into the mechanisms, fiona I. To be something there just has to be. Well, we can't get too much into the mechanisms, fiona I mean the mechanisms of what's happening. We don't. We know, judging by the studies that have been done, it's almost without some stuff that we said about the thyroid, and there's that, the muscle mass, and there's obviously more. We don't quite know long term yet if it is, as I said, no free lunch, but how severe are other than the ones we've listed? Is there something else which is bubbling under the surface?

Speaker 1 35:59

And yeah, yes, it's concerning, I would say.

Speaker 2 36:07

Okay, right, what else?

Speaker 1 36:10

do we need to talk about else? Have you got there, ben?

Medication and Weight Loss Discussions

Speaker 2 36:14

oh, we touched on monjaro briefly. I think monjaro is, I think, the biggest difference with monjaro I've probably got it here actually let me have a look. So yeah, um, I think, yeah, we Wegovy acts pretty much very similar to Ozempic. Monjara is dual action, so it's targeting GLP-1 and GIP receptors, so it's getting another receptor into the mix.

Speaker 3 36:39

Okay.

Speaker 2 36:41

So this enhances weight loss. That's pretty. Yeah, that's pretty much it Okay. So I'm assuming, over the course of whatever time period, on average people are going to lose just more weight because it's also targeting another receptor in the gut, so it's going to help with suppressing hunger even more, right, okay, so yeah, I don't know. Is Monjaro? I think Monjaro is out, I believe.

Speaker 1 37:06

It is out. I'm assuming it's in shortage. Still Right, it is until September.

Speaker 2 37:11

Okay, I've got some stuff here about insulin resistance. I don't know if we need to talk about that. It was quite a good analogy from a guy called Peter Otea, very intelligent man. I've been reading his book Outlive Very good. He talks about the four horsemen of people's health, which kills everyone. Most people die from one of these four health conditions. We'll get into that in a second, but he talks about insulin resistance. Insulin resistance is one of the biggest things when it comes to obesity people suffer from.

Speaker 3 37:39

Yes.

Speaker 2 37:40

Do we need to talk about insulin resistance? Is that going to be?

Speaker 1 37:42

remotely interesting. Yes, you've started it now, right, okay?

Speaker 2 37:46

I'll use the analogy that Peter Atiyah uses Okay, he uses a bathtub analogy to explain the concept of insulin resistance.

Speaker 3 37:53

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2 37:54

And then we'll just move on. Just so people are aware of what it may be. So, bathtub represents the body. Mm-hmm. Yes, yep. Water represents energy Yep, the water filling the bathtub represents energy intake from food Calories Get it. Drain represents energy expenditure. The drain at the bottom represents energy expenditure through metabolic processes and physical activity. Mm-hmm. Yes, yep, right, would it. Overflow represents excess energy when the water energy intake exceeds the capacity of the bathtub the body's ability to use or store energy overflows.

Speaker 2 38:35

Overflow causes insulin resistance. This overflow symbolizes the body's inability to manage excess energy, leading to insulin resistance. When cells are overloaded with energy, they become resistant to insulin signal to take in more glucose. Managing water levels to prevent overflow insulin resistance. It's important to balance energy intake with energy expenditure. This means regulating diet calories in and increasing physical activity calories out out. Consequences of overflow Persistent overflow, excess energy can lead to various metabolic issues, including increased fat storage.

Speaker 1 39:16

High blood sugar levels and eventually diabetes. Quite good Insulin resistance Quite good analogy.

Speaker 3 39:23

Yeah, okay, yeah, hopefully, yes so the four horsemen yeah okay, yeah, hopefully, yes.

Speaker 2 39:28

So the four horsemen yes, I'm intrigued. Yes, so cardiovascular disease? Yeah, of course, cancer, cognitive diseases, alzheimer's, metabolic diseases, type 2 diabetes, ibs, obesity.

Speaker 1 39:43

Not surprised about cardiovascular.

Speaker 2 39:44

So yes, a lot of people, unfortunately, will probably succumb to one of those four, depending on their lifestyle, of course, as well.

Speaker 1 39:52

Yes, well, it all ties in as well, doesn't it? Like if you're having something metabolically wrong with you not everybody, but you know usually if you are a diabetic well, not usually, but when you do have diabetes and you are obese, you do have other comorbidities as well, such as cardiovascular problems.

Speaker 2 40:14

Yes, they can feed into one another, can't?

Speaker 1 40:15

they.

Speaker 2 40:16

Yeah, they feed in. Yeah, very interesting.

Speaker 1 40:19

It is very interesting. I've got some stuff about PCOS I don't know, maybe I'll leave that for the menstrual. Yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 40:27

Maybe I'll leave that for the menstrual. Oh yeah, probably Maybe.

Speaker 1 40:29

I'll leave that for the menstrual cycle episode?

Speaker 2 40:30

Yeah, maybe, but it links in with insulin resistance and thyroid issues.

Speaker 1 40:35

No, no, it's fine.

Speaker 2 40:38

We'll leave it for that. Again, it just talks about PCOS a little bit and how insulin resistance is affected by and sort of the ins and outs a little bit, but maybe we'll leave that. We'll leave that.

Speaker 1 40:48

Okay, next episode, then Eventually.

Speaker 2 40:53

Okay, what else have I got? What else do we need to touch upon?

Speaker 1 40:55

I think that was very interesting. Well, it is very interesting, you know you need to.

Speaker 2 41:02

Yeah, there's plenty to it. I guess we need to maybe have a little bit at the end to talk about our own thoughts, maybe Within reason. I suppose this is the issue with these episodes that talking about this stuff, you want to get the information right and also you want to be mindful of, when it comes to this as well, and obesity itself. It's tricky, isn't it? Yeah, it's tricky. So by the time we get to Ben, you know what are your thoughts on it. I'm like, oh God, because I've got to sort of rein myself back in a little bit and to be careful what I'm saying the energy's already used up.

Speaker 3 41:34

So I'm like I don't know what to say. Well, my thoughts are.

Speaker 2 41:36

Well I do know what to say. But, you know, maybe I need more followers first, more and to go, do you know what? Okay, I'm ready.

Speaker 1 41:46

I'm ready to tell you my thoughts on it. If the person uses it correctly, the way their healthcare professional advises, then go for it. You know if you are within that, you know obese range and you do need to take it. Yes, of course it works, I've got. The problem with it is when you've got people buying it who are Sharon Osbourne and then they're lording it in front of other people not knowing the side effects and now, four months later, whinging about it. You're just like you're. You are an influencer. You are a person who can influence young people, and this is where the problem lies yes, well, that's my issue.

Speaker 1 42:23

I imagine yes if you're using it correctly and if you are using it for the correct reasons and you're doing everything that you can to help you, yeah, of course, it's going to be wonderful. Just be mindful of you know what you need to do as well to help yourself, of course, but it's the other problem that I have issues with People who are just using it because they actually can't be bothered to go to the gym. Oh, I'll just take a Zempik instead. I'll just do this instead.

Speaker 2 42:48

Well, it's frustrating. It's very frustrating Because a lot of these people have got the money and have got the resources, and then it's the shortage, the impact it has on people who actually need it for their diabetes, and that's the issues that I have. They can hire personal trainers, and they've got their chefs. I was going to touch on what's the surgeries called for sleeves.

Speaker 1 43:11

Gastric sleeves, gastric bypass.

Speaker 2 43:13

No, but what's the? What are they called?

Speaker 1 43:15

Weight loss surgery.

Speaker 2 43:16

No, bartirac. Oh, bariatric surgeries Bariatric Bariatric, bariatric.

Speaker 1 43:22

Yeah.

Speaker 2 43:24

Shall. We touch upon those quickly. What's there to say about those?

Speaker 1 43:26

Well, what's there to say about them? It's not really about all Zempic, is it? It's completely different. It's bariatric surgery and gastric sleeves, so it's a bit different right? Yeah, but it does link in, because that was originally the well, yeah, that was a go too, but now it's so hard to get that. On the NHS, do you want to?

Speaker 2 43:42

mention that quickly then I won't say much about it, but it's just probably worth it. It's sort of part of the weight loss journeys that people have to go on.

Speaker 3 43:49

No, it just set me up. Okay, I don't know, how?

Speaker 2 43:54

Yes, right so.

Speaker 1 43:56

So bariatric surgery, ben, what's your thoughts on bariatric surgery?

Speaker 2 43:59

Well, it's.

Speaker 1 44:00

Opposed to Ozempic, a bit of a more complex well it's not well it's.

Speaker 2 44:06

They don't really compare, do they? I guess that was. That was that's what a lot of people had to do that reached the point where they were morbidly obese or they were very overweight and their health was in was in pretty dire straits. That was a pretty.

Speaker 1 44:20

That's what they had to do but now they can't get it on the. That's the. That's the problem. Now, fuck you. Okay, this itching is fucking insane yeah it's because of Wipe your shirt, you've got.

Speaker 2 44:31

I don't know what's going on.

Speaker 1 44:33

It's every time you're on the podcast, ben, that's the only. It's obviously stressing.

Speaker 2 44:41

Right.

Speaker 1 44:43

So bariatric surgery opposed to ozempic Ben? What's your thought on that?

Speaker 2 44:49

No, so bariatric surgery opposed to ozempic, then what's your thoughts on that? No, you were saying something just then about it.

Speaker 1 44:53

Oh, I thought we were starting again.

Speaker 2 44:54

Oh no, no, no, the first bit was okay. Oh right, okay About the health.

Speaker 1 44:56

What was I saying? Oh see, the problem is with bariatric surgery or weight loss surgery. Now is because of, obviously, the NHS it's in ruins, it's's you know, you could be waiting three, four years for your weight loss surgery. So now people are turning to something that's a little bit more practical, such as an injection which can be prescribed by your gp well and or bought on I'm assuming they're not as dangerous now, but it's still reasonably dangerous, isn't that surgery?

Speaker 2 45:22

yeah?

Speaker 1 45:23

you can still get. You can still get loads and loads of complications from that sometimes.

Speaker 2 45:26

Sometimes they're not successful, but it's extreme isn't it Like it's extreme Getting a part of your stomach and your intestine removed? That's like yeah again. For some people, that's what they have to do. They've reached the point where their health depends on it. Their life depends on it. Well, it depends on your Bloody hell. It's extreme. No-transcript.

Speaker 2 46:20

Have much of a choice I know I know, for the first few weeks they they can't eat food, but even after that they literally cannot eat anything without being sick. And is it not? They're not also have to eat certain foods pretty much forever, there's certain foods that they.

Speaker 1 46:39

If they eat them, they will become sick, or they actually just can't eat them full stop so you, I think you can, you can basically try anything basically, but I think it's stodgy foods like your stuff that's going to expand in your stomach yes so like rice is, and all of that, because obviously, if you're eating, lobbing it in, then it's going to expand in your stomach, isn't it?

Speaker 1 46:58

and then it's going to cause you digestion problems because your stomach is like literally half the size. But, yeah, you have to, you have to, you do have to avoid. It's recommended that you avoid a lot of things, but you do get dietetics input as well when you do have your surgery.

Speaker 1 47:11

Dieticians, whatnot yes, well, yes but I think I think, like literally after the surgery, like literally it's like jellies, that's it. It's like no solids, it's literally not liquid diet but it's jellies and stuff like that ice cream. I think I could be wrong with that, but yeah, maybe right, okay, let's.

Speaker 2 47:35

let's talk about just yes, just random thoughts, then other stuff that Ozempic, wagovi, monjaro how else is it affecting people? What are the risks other than what we've touched upon? There's other ones, isn't there?

Speaker 1 47:47

I've got some here, but Well, you've got loads of risks. So when you I know it's not exactly insulin, isn't it that you're giving yourself ozempic, is it? What's exactly? What's the ingredient in it?

Speaker 2 48:01

Well, it's the semaglutide.

Speaker 1 48:03

Yeah, that's the one you know when you give your Humalog, your actual whatever insulin. Oh no, take that out, actually never mind. Oh right, I'm just trying to say about. You have to be careful. If you're just injecting it, you have to inject it into different sides of your body as well, so you don't get like the bruising.

Speaker 3 48:23

Whatever?

Speaker 2 48:23

you do on this one.

Speaker 1 48:24

Yeah, I know, that's why I'm saying take it out, because it's actually it's actually different. It's completely different, so that's why I?

Speaker 2 48:28

said take it out okay, let's try again, right? Okay, let's move on. What else? What else? What else have we got? I've got stuff for artificial. I've got artificial sweeteners. Well, that's a whole different topic. I mean, I was just reading something about people talking about how artificial sweeteners trigger the same response than normal sugars. It's just quite annoying. I don't know why, maybe I, maybe I said I was reading it. I just came up. I was like I'll just put it in because it's just annoying, because people say that I don't don't have a diet coke because because it the the sweeteners, they they trigger the same response you get when you have sugar. You have this insulin spike, I don't.

Speaker 1 49:12

Okay.

Speaker 2 49:13

No, no, I don't think what's it called. I've got it here. The celiac phase response is not triggered. So the gastrointestinal tract? Yes, my belly.

Speaker 1 49:29

Gastrointestinal tract yes, my belly Gastrointestinal tract. That's my gremlin saying hello there.

Speaker 2 49:35

It's not so, they're not, it's not triggered the same. So people, like I said, people will apparently will say oh, having a diet coke. Don't do it when it's poisonous because of the artificial sweeteners, but also when it's poisonous because they are artificial sweeteners but also it tricks your body, your body and your brain. You think oh my god, insulin, because we're having sugar no no, not really it's.

Speaker 2 49:56

It doesn't exist, it doesn't happen. That's not how it works. Okay, so some people will say, all right, you know, you may as well just have have the full fat one. Okay, I know, but that's not, that's not useful, is it for a lot of people?

Speaker 2 50:10

so if you're trying to actively lose weight or you are obese, it's not good, it's the same with this, with this bogovino's mpic, until definitively it comes out and it says on all these studies, if you drink artificial sweeteners you will die, not not at stupidly high doses, not like at 45 cans of fucking diet coke a day and all this carcinogenic stuff and all this crap about oh my god, it's, it's the same as this, but then it's the same as as red, like red meat is going to give you cancer and an artificial is going to give you cancer, but then a lot of time it's in the same bracket stuff like your mobile phones. We don don't talk about that, do?

Speaker 2 50:48

we, you know, like the 3 and the 2B and the 2A and the categories for carcinogenic. I don't know why this is. It's in the notes for you.

Speaker 1 50:57

I'm not sure why it's in the notes either.

Accountability and Empathy in Weight Loss

Speaker 2 50:59

Well, no because it links in. You know people trying to lose weight and stuff, and it's just talking about how, until Until it comes out, you've got to give people a break, I suppose, haven't you? Artificial sweeteners may be not as extreme as something like Ozempic or all these weight loss drugs. They're a bit more extreme. But if you're telling people that are overweight not to drink diet Cokes and have the full fat one because it's better for you, Well, it's more calories, though. It's like oh, come on.

Speaker 1 51:27

You're putting in at least's more calories, though it's like, oh, come on, you're like putting in at least 500 more calories. Yeah, depending on the quantity, obviously.

Speaker 2 51:31

Yeah, and we talked about the Diet Coke fallacy. Yes, we have Right, so just allow them to have the Diet Coke.

Speaker 1 51:37

Okay.

Speaker 2 51:37

Because if they weren't having the Diet Coke, they'd potentially be even bigger than they already are. So come on.

Speaker 3 51:43

Hmm, come on yes yes

Speaker 1 51:45

okay oh, plus, you have to think of like other stuff, like your tea and all that rotten tea. You know if you're putting, like if you're drinking in two or four litres bottles of coke a day the effect it's having on your dental works, yeah, so yeah, I don't.

Speaker 2 52:01

I guess you can yeah, yeah, that's how much sugar you're consuming from the sugary drinks and food.

Speaker 1 52:06

That's just with your Coke. So, then, on top of that, you're having your sugar in your tea, you're having your whatever else people have sugar in.

Speaker 2 52:13

We're not demonising. If you want full fat Coke and you want sugary drinks, no problem.

Speaker 1 52:19

Just make sure you count it as part of your calories.

Speaker 2 52:21

Depends what your goal exactly what your goal is? If, what are your goals If you try to lose weight? Maybe that's the first port of call. What can I remove straight away? What can I replace it with which might not be horrific, I don't know, maybe the diet version of that drink? Give it a go, yes, okay, so I've just got my thoughts here.

Speaker 1 52:42

Okay.

Speaker 2 52:44

Right.

Speaker 1 52:44

You have to write down your thoughts, you just can't do it on a whim.

Speaker 2 52:47

Accountability versus empathy here we go Meet in the middle.

Speaker 1 52:50

This is an interesting one.

Speaker 2 52:52

I am so itchy.

Speaker 1 52:53

Why don't you take your headphones off for a few minutes? That's what I have had to do. Let everyone see that pretty little ears, those pretty little ears.

Speaker 2 53:01

It's not good, I'm just, I need to. Probably because I need to, probably because I'm getting hairy. Oh yeah, my hair's hairy, my hair's hairy.

Speaker 3 53:09

That's probably the issue mm.

Speaker 2 53:12

It's like watching those. Watching them back is fucking ridiculous yes, it's terrible, I'm doing this like it's horrendous, mm. That sleep episode is horrendous every minute, mm you need to get your hair cut, ben.

Speaker 1 53:23

You can't just keep saying that it's got to get it done.

Speaker 2 53:26

Fuck it yeah, I know, but it's not that, it's whatever, isn't it?

Speaker 1 53:30

and then we come on this shit yes, but you still need to get it done. Get it done on Monday, just get it done on Monday take a walk up around bay and get it done.

Speaker 2 53:36

It's not really affecting my life.

Speaker 1 53:37

Then I come in front of the camera and it's like it is, it's terrible, it looks terrible, it well, actually I think there's houses, but get that in, shall I?

Speaker 2 53:50

we'll get to the sex obviously take that out.

Speaker 1 53:56

I do not consent for that to be on. I'm starving you need to speed up that was actually really good. I feel as though you've kind of gone off tangent now. That was really good, well done thank you do you not think that floored better, who knows? Do you not think that floored better, who knows? Do you not think that was better at all?

Speaker 2 54:11

Well, it's always going to be easy if you just follow notes Of course it is. It's so much better you have to try and get a little bit of your own personality across.

Speaker 1 54:17

But you do, because then you're not stressed and it's taken along nicely.

Speaker 2 54:21

I am not too stressed.

Speaker 1 54:22

It's taken along nicely. I nicely I'm not stressing because I'm just like hurry up, I do you say what you need to say and it just, it's just way more natural right, come on, let's finish up the film.

Speaker 2 54:33

Okay, my thoughts accountability versus empathy meet in the middle the world we live in at the moment. So we've got one one end. Accountability oh you're fat, you are fat, you need to do something about it, it's your fault, you suck, right? Okay, you've got that end. Yeah, extreme end of people saying obesity is a choice. And you're lazy and you suck and you need to do something about it, it's your fault. No one else's forget about everything else, okay yeah okay, and but you've got the other end empathy too much empathy.

Speaker 2 55:09

Oh no, it's not, it's all the. And then you start listing all these these things, all these excuses. No, it's not their fault, it's this fault, it's this and it's this and it's this. They can't help it. No, I have touched upon the old obesogenic environment, haven't I? Yes, you have right. Very interesting, so that that we'll get to that in a minute that factors in meet in the middle. I think I'm going to sneeze bless you fucking hell. Is there something that?

Speaker 3 55:34

derails these episodes usually you.

Speaker 2 55:42

Jesus Christ, I've got like a sneeze trap in my. This is annoying. I've got a sneeze trap I in my. This is annoying. I've got a sneeze trap. I can feel it. Look at the light. It's almost like me talking is just stopping it. I can't. All I can see is this eyebrow as well. Yep.

Speaker 1 56:02

I asked you to let me pluck that Ben. Yeah, jesus, you need a good fucking grooming. Sesh Fucking, take you to the dog groomers.

Speaker 2 56:10

God, I'm having a problem with this episode. I'm having a problem. I am, I'm scratching, I'm getting too hairy. All I can see is this eyelash.

Speaker 1 56:17

Which I will pluck out. I should do it on camera, actually, shouldn't I?

Speaker 2 56:19

The amount I'm going to have to cut out. I'm doing this and moving and scratching. It's obscene, bloody hell. We should be finished by now.

Speaker 1 56:27

Right, nobody cares, come on.

Speaker 2 56:29

Okay right, meet in the middle. Yes, accountability empathy. So three men, you're fat, useless. Your fault empathy? Oh, it's not. It's everyone else's fault, but yours. Obesogenic environment, mm-hmm, need to meet in the middle.

Speaker 1 56:44

Yes, be accountable for your own actions. Is that what?

Speaker 2 56:47

you're trying to say no, but I mean there's just it's too extreme, it's too polar, it's too polar opposite like too polar ends too extreme. We need to try and meet in the middle and go no, not for everyone being obese or being overweight is. There have to be some accountability, but so we need to find ways to improve this and to lose weight, if that is initially with using ozembic. But what else we're going to do is set up a better, healthier lifestyle for you, including these drugs or not, but also not not pandering to it. Now, rightly or wrongly, in the world we live in now, being overweight and, in some cases, being obese, is glorified. I'm sorry, that sucks. That sucks. It's not good. Being obese should never be glorified. Being heavily overweight is not good.

Speaker 1 57:44

It just comes with so many different comorbidities as well, doesn't it then, right? Yes, so accountability, empathy, you've got to meet somewhere, meet in the middle.

Speaker 2 57:47

Good, well, it just comes at so many different comorbidities as well, doesn't it then right? Yes, so accountability, empathy, you've got to meet somewhere, meet in the middle, but it's, it's just not good. It shouldn't be glorified. Being overweight, you can be. You can be empathetic towards you can be empathetic towards someone, of course, depending on what's happening in their life and we'll get to that in a second but it can't be, you can't be glorifying it. It's not, it's just not. It's not a good look, is it? It's just not good. This movement of people that are, that are overweight and they lean into it that you know. There's again the extreme end. There's people that lean into it and they're on. They're on tiktok. This is what I eat in a day. Apparently there's like. There's like a cohort of people calling themselves as a fat as a what they like.

Speaker 2 58:31

They label themselves as, as a fat, so they go. This is a day in the life of someone as, or this is the day this is the day in the life of a fat. I don't think they even say fatty, they just say a fat oh, okay, this is. This is the day in the life of a fat yeah, but that's all falling.

Speaker 1 58:48

Falling, that's all fun and games. Now it's when you start in 10 years time, as the your pro, your muscles start losing the protein, the mass and all of that, and then you start having the arthritis because your body can't hold your weight anymore, when you start having your cardiovascular problems. It's not so funny then and it's not so great then. But so think about think about what happens in 10 years time that's interesting fiona we're gonna get to.

Speaker 2 59:11

That's on the right around the world. No, no, no there we go then god, I think my body's just shutting down, okay. So yeah, not empathy, yes just on that no accountability. Yeah, me in the middle. Where are you? Where are you on that scale?

Speaker 1 59:29

I'm way down here Okay. Towards you anyways. But don't forget, my belly is rumbling, so Okay. It's going to get a little bit Kind of a little bit wobbly In here soon enough, ben.

Speaker 2 59:37

Yes, we're finishing off.

Speaker 1 59:39

Oh, have a little scratch.

Speaker 2 59:41

Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 59:43

You need to take an antihistamine.

Speaker 2 59:44

Maybe I've got hay fever. Probably Maybe I'm getting hay fever.

Speaker 1 59:47

Yes, I've got antihistamines in the press Well again.

Speaker 2 59:49

I've never had hay fever in my life.

Speaker 1 59:51

You have Because you've had antihistamines before. You used to get it in the Claxton in the Riddlands Because I used to get. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, it is that. Yes, but still it doesn't matter. Yeah, because people are more in law.

Speaker 2 1:00:07

It's in the air, the pollen count.

Speaker 1 1:00:09

Well, this is a bombshell.

Understanding Addiction Transfer and Weight Loss

Speaker 2 1:00:11

No, I'm Okay, right. So yes, there's obviously. Maybe we'll talk about that in the future. There's a lot to it. I'm struggling with the whole glorifying being overweight Not good, not a good look, not a good look Anything else. No, not a good look, anything else no, right no so 50%?

Speaker 1 1:00:31

yeah, okay, it'd be interesting to see what those groups would be called a day in the life of a fat, day in the life of somebody who's riddled with arthritis and cardiovascular problems in 10 years time. Well, I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:00:40

You know, maybe, maybe they're just they're here for a good time, not a long time. Maybe that's what it is. Yeah, if they die at the age of 35, it's like I enjoyed it while I was here. I enjoyed the ride, I don't know. Okay, just pass it on to their kids and to everyone else. It's like not good muscle mass talked about that. Okay, oh, this is one of the issues. This is one of the issues that I was reading about about and this also links in with the, the um, gastric bands and that type of surgery as well that if you, if you've, if you've got a, a disorder, you've had an eating disorder, you're overweight or whatever, whatever you've had or whatever's contributed to you becoming getting to the point where you need to start contemplating taking a Zembik. That, after you've lost all this weight, any addictions that you may have had could be passed on to something else and you could start becoming addicted to something else, so like alcohol or gambling.

Speaker 2 1:01:46

So you've got that addictive personality which has got you to the point where you've maybe eaten too much, based on again, and also medical conditions as well, if you've whatever you've suffered from that have helped, that has got you to the point of where you've become overweight and obese. So it's called addiction transfer. So apparently some people in the studies and apparently some people in various books and things that come out have said about how they went on ozempic lost a load of weight, felt good and then became alcoholics or became addicted to gambling, so they passed on.

Speaker 2 1:02:19

it passed on to something else, because they had that massive hole in their life where they're like, oh okay, well what do I do now? Oh, I just used to, and that's, that's a big thing. If, if you, if you enjoy eating, you know eating and food, uh, I guess you, you look at from many different levels the social side as well, if you enjoy coming together on social occasions and eating, and depending on what country you come from and your traditions, everything, else it's a big thing isn't it?

Speaker 2 1:02:45

you come together and you you it's eating and drinking and having a nice time and you just enjoy eating. If that's taken away from you and you're eating half as much and you quickly realize that you, you can't even you can't really enjoy the foods you used to eat and it's almost like, oh well, you know, I did, I did enjoy mcdonald's from time to time I did enjoy this. I knew I was eating too much but I still enjoyed it. But now you eat that and it makes you feel sick or whatever symptoms that you get from taking these drugs contribute to you not being able to enjoy any of the food you used to do, not even even in small quantities.

Speaker 2 1:03:27

So I said about at the start well, the risk is, maybe some people need the exercise, you need the proper nutrition, the high protein diet, but I don't know. I don't know if you're having going to McDonald's and going, oh, I can still get McDonald's, but just a smaller portion, and you're having a couple of nuggets and you're like, oh no, I'm stuffed. I imagine a lot of people will be like this is terrible. This is really depressing. I can't even have any of this food anymore now.

Speaker 1 1:03:53

Yeah, of course.

Speaker 2 1:03:58

Right, okay, I think one of the guys I read this book recently about from this guy called Johan Hari.

Speaker 1 1:04:05

Oh, johan, you've mentioned him before.

Speaker 2 1:04:08

You're aware, yes, right and yes was.

Speaker 2 1:04:10

he's done the book on ozempic and he talks a lot of different people, some of them dubious, some of the people he was talking to okay no potential potential charlatans, but very interesting anyway, he was, went into the facts about it and stuff and he went around the world and talked to various different people. So, yeah, it's, it's good to get an opinion from different sources, which was quite good. But he talks about so I think he touched upon this as well about how his emotions. He hasn't become depressed as such, but it has affected him. He almost feels a little bit empty after taking it. He's still taking it, but he's almost Taken what Exempic?

Speaker 1 1:04:48

Yeah, okay, he almost feels a little bit empty after taking.

Speaker 2 1:04:49

He's still taking it, but he's almost taken what I was empty, yeah, okay, he almost feels a little bit empty by it because food played a pretty big role in his life. He was overweight but interestingly he didn't. He didn't really eat for enjoyment as such, he just liked, he just liked the idea. And I think he suffered from depression. He's um written a book on depression which was quite interesting. He liked the idea of that feeling of being stuffed, of eating. So he didn't really like have a love for food. So, if anything, him taking this drug has actually improved his enjoyment of food, because he's actually he has to eat slower and he's not eating as much, so he's not shoveling as much junk. He's actually sitting there and actually appreciating the food he's eating. He's cooking fresher meals and he's actually just got a better diet.

Speaker 2 1:05:32

That's good, but he says that he, he now doesn't reach that point anymore of feeling stuffed because you can't, yeah, because you eat a little bit and you'll fill up. So that's quite interesting how that's the opposite, I I imagine, of what many people will face from it but that's that's.

Speaker 1 1:05:52

That's probably what the idea is. What it's meant to be used for is that prime example. There you've got somebody who who gorges, basically, but this medication has helped him and he's eating his own meat. He's getting enjoyment out of eating food now and he's cooking his own meals. Like what more getting enjoyment out of eating food now and he's cooking his own meals. Like what more do you want from that? Yes, I know, but yeah, so that's probably what the idea of Behind it All is.

Speaker 2 1:06:13

For some people, yeah, but it's the other way. Most people, I feel on the whole I'm sure studies will come out will go the other way, where they love food. Oh, it's great they get so much satisfaction from food. What's the problem?

Speaker 1 1:06:28

Time.

Speaker 2 1:06:29

So much satisfaction from food, but take that away, cut that in half. The calories literally are cut in half. Oh God, I can't. I can't eat as much food anymore. Oh, this isn't very fun I used to. I knew, yeah, maybe I was overweight, but I used to really enjoy just eating food.

Speaker 1 1:06:45

Yeah, but I used to really enjoy just eating food. Yeah, but do people really if you're gorging all the time? Do you really not all the time? But do you really enjoy food If you're getting to the point where you feel physically sick?

Speaker 2 1:07:00

can you enjoy your food? I don't know. Well, again, unfortunately. I thought this episode was going to be in and out, but there's so many, isn't there, there's so much stuff that you get into. Okay, I'll just rattle off a few more things All right?

Speaker 1 1:07:12

well, speed it up, dear, because we've got film to do.

Speaker 2 1:07:15

Okay, what do you want me to do? I've tried my best.

Speaker 1 1:07:23

Fiona, yes, you've done very well. Fucking hell. And then we've got about the thing.

Speaker 2 1:07:36

Right, so we've touched upon building better habits. When you come off them, drug companies don't want you off them.

Speaker 1 1:07:41

Of course they're making a shit load of money.

Speaker 2 1:07:43

Yes, right.

Speaker 1 1:07:43

And they're putting a premium on it.

Speaker 2 1:07:45

Eating to being full. So old Johan went to Japan. Johan and they're very much about they've got lots of interesting things in Japan.

Speaker 1 1:07:56

Interestingly enough, they were the frogs, the beach and harsh. Remember that.

Speaker 2 1:08:00

Oh yeah, yes, I mean food-wise yeah, but interestingly enough they were a pretty unhealthy country.

Speaker 1 1:08:07

Really.

Speaker 2 1:08:08

In like before, but interestingly enough they were. They were a pretty unhealthy country really. In like before the work, the world war ii, I mean in the 20s and 30s, they, yeah, they ate crap. They didn't hardly any protein. And then the government were like no, hang on, we need to, we need to start breeding some, some soldiers here because we want to start taking over asia so they improve their diet dramatically. We wonder what the japan japanese were up to in in the late 30s and the early 40s yes, not too good so yes, that's so.

Speaker 2 1:08:32

But now they have lots of things we won't get to now because now we're rushing. But one of their things is from an early age they are made to get into the habit of eating till 80% full. So they're not quite full. So you know most meals, a lot of people have a meal and they will get to the point where they know that they can stop. So maybe like three quarters of the way and they're like I'm stuffed. You know I'm satiated by that. But if there's food on the plate, I'm going to keep whacking it in, they will keep going.

Speaker 2 1:09:07

Yeah, so they go past 80%. So I think most people even I imagine, I imagine you probably you lose the ability to regulate that the heavier you get, maybe, but I feel most people, when they're eating, get to a point depending on the size of their portion, where they, if you went to them, how are you feeling over there? Do you want to start? Yeah, pretty stuffed actually. Yeah, I've got another 10 chips.

Speaker 2 1:09:36

I'm enjoying the meal so I'll finish these off. And we've touched upon before about the you know, clean your plate thing syndrome. Oh, you must you talk from an early age, especially in the uk make sure that plate's clean yeah, this food's not free your veg gotta work hard to put this food on the table. So yeah, um, japan, from an early age 80 percent they get into that habit.

Speaker 1 1:09:58

It was quite interesting oh good, yeah, would you say, you do that. Ben, do you clear your plate?

Speaker 2 1:10:06

I'm fine, I know yeah.

Speaker 1 1:10:07

I don't eat much more anymore, I'm sure.

Overeating and Heart Attack Grill

Speaker 2 1:10:09

No, I feel with most of my food I eat to. Yeah, I'm probably going over it most times, but it's the fact that, depending on how I'm spreading out my meals, that's the issue. If I spread out my meals better, I'd probably be all right, but, as we've touched on before in the evening, like a lot of people all hell breaks.

Speaker 2 1:10:31

They get back and they shove all their calories towards the end of the day, which can work for them, but they're just shoveling it in. So they have a big dinner that was reasonably satiated from that. What's the pudding?

Speaker 1 1:10:40

five minutes later.

Speaker 2 1:10:41

Don't eat pudding, though, do you?

Speaker 1 1:10:42

yeah, they say you're meant to wait 20 minutes, don't they?

Speaker 2 1:10:44

Well, you start getting full up. You start it kicks in Leptin and everything, and the satiety kicks in and says oh no, now you're full up, but there's lots of things with that. Fiona isn't there, so you've got that 20 minute gap, hence why you've got that 20 minutes where there's oh, there's the Hungry Brain. Oh, there's so many books that talk about it. It's very interesting, but you get bored of that type of food.

Speaker 1 1:11:10

I don't get bored of my breakfast ever.

Speaker 2 1:11:12

But you have that gap when you're at a restaurant or you're at home. Oh I could, oh I could. Ooh, Chocolate, ice cream, Ooh, but cheesecake. So you are full up but but also bored of that type of food and you want a different texture, different sensation the ice cream comes in. I believe ice cream is one of those foods where you can eat like you don't really get full up on ice cream.

Speaker 1 1:11:37

Well, it's technically liquid, isn't it?

Speaker 2 1:11:38

Yeah, so you can just eat and eat and eat, right.

Speaker 3 1:11:43

Oh.

Speaker 2 1:11:44

We're rushing through this now, fiona, which we might have to turn this into two parts. There's fucking loads here. There's loads, way more stuff, because the notes are fine, but if you just go through them and then branch off and talk about stuff, it then adds up, and that's the issue of all this yeah, but how long has the episode been going on now? Well, say an hour, because we've had loads of stop and slide how long do you want them usually?

Speaker 1 1:12:06

I thought you wanted them to be an hour.

Speaker 2 1:12:06

No, I know but I'm just saying. The thing is, I've got all these notes and you get through them, but these notes are one sentences. So this would work if I just say the sentence and then we move on.

Speaker 1 1:12:17

Then you have to condense your notes down a little bit more, don't you? Or you just don't do the film and take that out okay, some random stuff.

Speaker 2 1:12:29

Fiona heart attack grill heard of that. There's a place in las vegas called heart attack grill. I went to it. I didn't eat today, but I went into it. It's not good you go in and you have you put a robe on and you have people who are doctors and nurses walking around the restaurant serving you.

Speaker 1 1:12:50

Actual doctors and nurses. No, I was thinking.

Speaker 2 1:12:53

Yeah, after their shift they go over there.

Speaker 1 1:12:55

That's what I was thinking Right, so I don't understand that it's a serious question I don't understand. I was talking to her about maybe doing advice or something. I don't know, you just said Heart Attack Grill with doctors and nurses the place is called Heart Attack Grill yes, okay, so it's a food place, right, okay?

Speaker 2 1:13:12

okay, yeah, right, so I didn't eat there. But so it's in Vegas, beautiful Las Vegas, viva Las Vegas. We've talked about Vegas. If you're over 350 pounds, they have scales outside so you can jump on the scale and if you're over 350 pounds, you get to eat there for free and you have to sign a waiver for they let you eat. To say if you have a heart attack isn't it's, it's not their problem. So they just serve you junk, just like fatty meat and oh, it's a buffet, but they just serve you whatever you want. So that's just a massive meat buffet type thing and why didn't you eat there?

Speaker 2 1:13:47

I believe I was already going to another buffet which was a little bit more higher quality in. Where was this? Was this the MGM? I went to a few buffets in Vegas, but what I think this is maybe it was Caesar's Palace. Wonderful buffets, beautiful buffets in Vegas, but I didn't. I heard about this place. I wanted to have a look at it. But yeah, there's a scales outside. Yeah, if you weighed over 350 pounds, maybe if they've I don't know if they've increased that or they've reduced it you ate for free. So you can only imagine. You could only imagine the scenes outside that restaurant and then looking through the window, people rolling in on their mobility scooter and jumping off. Why?

Speaker 1 1:14:26

did they get to eat for free?

Speaker 2 1:14:28

Get on the scales oh, sally, 375. She was making up. This is serious, this is real, this is happening.

Speaker 1 1:14:38

Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2 1:14:40

Yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah, I get to eat for free, okay.

Speaker 3 1:14:48

Mm-hmm.

Speaker 1 1:14:50

Is there a limit of what you can eat?

Speaker 2 1:14:53

I'm not sure, didn't eat there, just went in. But they get quite nippy when you go in because they obviously want you to eat. So they get quite nippy about pictures and stuff. I remember the woman there dressed as the nurse was like getting very nippy.

Speaker 1 1:15:05

No doubt.

Speaker 2 1:15:14

What about you? Yes, okay, stuff. I remember that the the woman there dressed as the nurse was like getting very nippy. No doubt what you? Yes, okay, um, right, okay. So just just before we get to the film, then I'll just finish off on these.

Genetics, Environment, and Obesity Factors

Speaker 2 1:15:19

I want to talk about this because this links actually. No, I'm not gonna have time, it's a whole different time. Yeah, this is one of the other things that we talked about lots of the issues or potential issues faced by the drugs. So I don't think it was, it was in another book. So this woman was talking about how she lost all this weight. But then she and I think there's been studies on this that people have lost weight just either through the drugs or not, and have had a bit of an episode and then put it all back on again, which, yeah, which, which is standard, but then they've, they've been part of this study and they've lost all this weight.

Speaker 2 1:16:06

And then I think one of the another woman in this in this book, one of the books I was reading, was talking about this how they lost all this weight and this. And then one of them went to back to the dots and said oh, I don't know what happened and the doctors tried to get to the bottom, was oh, you're doing so. Well, you know, why did you put on all this weight? What happened, what? What? What happened on? What triggered it? What triggered you to then just sack it off and then start all over again?

Speaker 2 1:16:29

And she said that oh, so I got hit on by a bloke. I lost a load of weight. And then some guy was, oh, you know how you doing, you know like very nice, wasn't rude or anything. And then that that freaked her out. And then, after this day, after her being hit on by some guy in a bar, she started putting all the weight on again, and the doctor said oh okay, so that's good though, isn't it? What's wrong with that? What else? What did this remind you of then? So this has obviously triggered something before.

Speaker 2 1:16:55

And then eventually she said oh yeah, so from the age of like eight to 12, I was sexually molested and raped by my uncle so being overweight for her and a lot of other people is almost like a protective mechanism. Yeah, so, so they're left alone. People look at them and go. Not for me, although not too ott for me, very interesting. So here we go. Let me just say this from the book so overweight is overlooked, she said and that's why I need that's and that's the way I need to be. What are the benefits of being fat? We all know the risks. You can get a government pamphlet on those, but what it does, what fucking hell? Oh, because I'm rushing through'm rushing through because I know you want to set this off.

Speaker 1 1:17:46

Just read it Ben.

Speaker 2 1:17:47

I know.

Speaker 1 1:17:49

Just take your time with reading it, but there has to be a limit with time as well. Yes, I know.

Speaker 2 1:17:56

But this is all interesting stuff. Yes, it is, I'm not doing it for it is, but I'm hungry as well, do you want to have a quick snack.

Speaker 1 1:18:01

I've been working as well. Yes, I know, so I need to go for a walk, I need to cook dinner. There's stuff I need to do, ben.

Speaker 2 1:18:06

Right, so maybe I should just stop then.

Speaker 1 1:18:07

No, read what you want to read.

Speaker 2 1:18:10

I want to hear it, yeah, but that was a mess me delivering that. It was terrible, didn't?

Speaker 1 1:18:20

deliver it very well, did I? You did. Let's start from the beginning with the reading editing Right, okay, yeah, that's fine.

Speaker 2 1:18:35

No, read it. No, it's not. Yeah, it's just, it's an extract from one of these, one of this book. Fucking hell, I've gone. That's enough, then. I've gone.

Speaker 1 1:18:46

You know, it's just. It's just the film has to go.

Speaker 2 1:18:48

It has to go. I'm not even really thinking about the film, really, that's what I mean.

Speaker 1 1:18:51

So we've got another half an hour at least of the episode, and that's because of the film. It has to go. It's not working, it's just not working. If you want to spend an hour and a half doing an episode, want to spend an hour and a half doing an episode, you can't then expect me to sit here for another half an hour doing a film which is a pain in the ass to watch.

Speaker 2 1:19:09

Well, again, the film is okay if it's just five minutes, if you just, if we get to the film and just set the time for five minutes and we just, we just stop.

Speaker 1 1:19:14

Yes, but it needs to be like what do we did yesterday?

Speaker 2 1:19:17

yeah, whatever day it was, just talk about it briefly and that's it, but you weren't happy with that no, no, yeah, no, that's because I've got notes now, so we'll talk about it for five minutes in the notes and then, once the five minutes goes, that's it. We start.

Speaker 1 1:19:26

Well then, you may as well just talk about the film, because there's no point in me talking about it, because I've got nothing to say about the film no, but you do the thing and then we just move on Right okay.

Speaker 2 1:19:49

Read that abstract. So, yes, that's quite an interesting thing, isn't it? Yeah, so a woman in in one of the books I was reading and also this study.

Speaker 1 1:19:52

I don't know how many people were in the study, but yeah again very interesting well, I do have a little bit of trivia for you coming up as well, associated with the.

Speaker 2 1:19:59

Based on that, okay, so there you go right a quote or a passage from the Hungry Brain. I've been reading this book Very interesting. I've just got one because there is so many good things in this book. Okay, so this goes into treating obesity as it's a genetic trait. Okay, so this leads us to a critical conclusion about obesity genes. In most cases, they don't actually make us fat. They simply make us susceptible to a fattening environment.

Speaker 2 1:20:36

Let's talk about the yes, yeah in the absence of fat, of a fattening environment, they rarely cause obesity, as francis collins, geneticist, genetic yeah, genesis geneticist yeah, genetics, genetic tixis as francis collins, the director. Fucking, fuck, fucking, fuck, dear god, oh no, why no? But this is I can't like, honestly, if you could know what was in my brain With all this stuff. It's crazy how Just you can't you lose your ability To read off a page.

Speaker 1 1:21:17

It's hard to actually read From a thing.

Speaker 2 1:21:20

I struggle. It's insane. I don't need to start again, do I?

Speaker 3 1:21:26

No, yes, insane I don't start again, do I?

Speaker 2 1:21:28

no, yes this leads us to a critical conclusion about a beat about. This leads us to a critical conclusion about obesity genes. In most cases, they don't actually make us fat. They simply make us susceptible to a fattening environment in the absence of fat of the. In the absence of a fattening environment, they rarely cause obesity. Genetics loads the gun. An environment pulls the trigger, unless you have a faulty gun, which is rare. If you don't pull the trigger, it doesn't discharge.

Speaker 1 1:22:06

Hmm.

Speaker 2 1:22:08

Interesting, right? Yeah, well, they're just linked in, didn't they? Yeah? Last thing, last thing. Well, it's a shame, because you can expand on these, can't you? That's the problem, but maybe another time. So the biopsychosocial model.

Speaker 1 1:22:27

Oh, I hate that fucking thing.

Speaker 2 1:22:30

This sounds technical, but it's actually quite simple.

Speaker 1 1:22:33

It is.

Speaker 2 1:22:33

And it applies just as well to obesity, oh so you know about that do you? Yeah, oh, okay.

Speaker 1 1:22:38

No you don't? No, no, that's it. Brief discussion. No, you're not putting me on the spot.

Speaker 2 1:22:47

No, I'm just saying that the three it links in. Okay, right, okay, so there are three types of causes of these problems Biological causes, things like your genes or changes in your brain. There's the psychological causes, things like stress or childhood trauma. And there's social causes stemming from the wider society, things like loneliness or financial insecurity. They're all real and they play out to different degrees in anyone who has these problems. These different kinds of core of causes flow into your life and swirl together to create your addiction or depression or obesity, and it explains why we have become obese and why diets mostly fail. Obviously, I was paraphrasing that, but yeah, it's just talking about the model itself and again, obviously a lot of people it's very up in the air about obesity being a medical problem, but, like depression, like it states and like other things, using that model starts to give you a clearer picture about why people are depressed, why people are potentially obese. Everything links in. So again, yeah, maybe not got time to get into that, but very interesting.

Speaker 1 1:24:01

No, we don't have time.

Speaker 2 1:24:06

So it's, yeah, people with depression and people who are obese.

Speaker 1 1:24:10

Well, depending on those factors, anyway, interesting, it's worth getting into, it is interesting, ben, but we don't have time to do that, we've just have to. Are you not exhausted? We've just done an hour and a half.

Speaker 2 1:24:22

Yes, of course I'm exhausted, but when you talk about something that's interesting, that's the whole point. Yes, I know that, ben, it gives you energy.

Speaker 1 1:24:27

But it's time consuming as well. Yes, yes, it's just like you know.

Speaker 2 1:24:30

I just don't I know but it's fine, because I just need to take some of this stuff and do my own video.

Speaker 1 1:24:34

Yes, exactly. You really do yes it's like two of that. Now, Ben We've been here an hour and a half, I know.

Speaker 2 1:24:43

There's just lots of interesting things, isn't there?

Speaker 1 1:24:45

Right go on.

Speaker 2 1:24:47

Right, that's it the film.

Speaker 1 1:24:48

But you need to finish off, Ben.

Speaker 3 1:24:53

With what.

Speaker 2 1:24:54

I don't know Well, other than getting into what I've just talked about, which you're not going to, that's pretty much it. Right reset. Let let's go for the film. Okay, the film Fiona, holy hell. The film. I'm going to rush to the bloody film. Five minutes on the film. We don't want the film to start taking away from the very interesting points that Ben from Bushwell Health is making do we no?

Speaker 1 1:25:19

do you agree, god, no, you're looking a bit.

Speaker 2 1:25:21

You're looking a bit tired over there. Fiona, are you hungry?

Speaker 1 1:25:23

yeah, I am. I am tired, I'm getting fucking hungry, oh dear.

Speaker 2 1:25:26

We spoke about that. We spoke about my thoughts on that.

Speaker 1 1:25:30

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:25:33

Okay, right, should we set a timer for this, then? So we can just get it done, I'll let you do your introduction, and then we'll set the timer.

Speaker 1 1:25:40

No, that's all included, Ben.

Speaker 2 1:25:46

It takes me 10 seconds to do a fucking intro.

Speaker 1 1:25:49

Okay, stop trying to waste more time, right? Okay, set the timer Five minutes Go Shallow Hal 2001. It got six out of 10 on the IMDb.

Speaker 2 1:25:53

Is this a little bit bit of an ill, bit of a bad choice? Shallow Hal. No, not really Anyway, yes, please so.

Speaker 1 1:26:01

So Hal's perception of women's physical beauty changes after he's hypnotised by a life coach that's Ben push puller health. He falls in love with the employer's daughter as he sees her as a slender woman even though she is obese. So you've got produced, directed by whatever, bobby and Peter Farrelly, who also have done Something About Mary, me, myself and Irene, and Dumb and Dumber, dumb and Dumber, dumb and Dumber, dumb and Dumber, dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumber.

Speaker 2 1:26:25

Dumb and Dumber.

Speaker 1 1:26:26

Dumb and Dumber, dumb and.

Speaker 3 1:26:27

Dumber.

Speaker 1 1:26:27

You've got Jack Black as Hal, shallow Hal, and then you've got Gwyneth Patrol Patrol as Rosemary how do you say her name?

Speaker 2 1:26:35

Gwyneth Petroleum.

Speaker 1 1:26:36

Petroleum, whatever.

Speaker 2 1:26:38

Gwyneth Paltrow.

Speaker 1 1:26:47

Paltrow yeah, so that's it really. What more do you want me to say about it?

Speaker 2 1:26:47

terrible film, absolutely terrible film first time watching it. Horrendous, yeah, I don't know, like early 2000s, 90s.

Speaker 1 1:26:57

The brothers they did something about Mary, obviously Dumb and Dumber well, this was the worst, the worst one that they did, the worst gross one.

Review of Fat Suits in Films

Speaker 2 1:27:04

It's not, yeah, it's. I don't know. In some ways you're looking and thinking, oh God, yeah, they were the days. Remember those days when it was just really inappropriate jokes and just everything was just, it was just gross.

Speaker 1 1:27:17

Well, the fat suits like it wasn't funny.

Speaker 2 1:27:19

The film's not funny, but again we've touched upon this before about this whole bygone era that's now been and gone, where everything you do everything you say everyone takes offense and you look at this film and you think jesus christ.

Speaker 2 1:27:34

In some ways it just it reminds you of better films from that era not the film itself, but it reminds you of films in and around this time the late 90s, early 2000, oh god, you remember? They used to make films like that bloody hell, yeah, yeah, god, they were the days anyway. Yeah, this film sucks, but there's other films there's like no limit, was there back then? You could literally do a film about any fucking thing yeah, well, even films from the directors, me myself and Irene that's a good film.

Speaker 2 1:28:03

It's hilarious okay, but but you, but you'd watch it and go oh yeah, well, I'll do.

Speaker 1 1:28:13

Yeah, I can't do that now. Yeah, exactly what's he got? A little guy, the little guy that she'd do wife runs off it. I can't, yes yeah, yeah yeah um.

Speaker 2 1:28:23

So I've got grinding. Take me back Grinding. Jack Black grinding, oh in the nightclub yeah, literally.

Speaker 1 1:28:28

Oh yeah, oh, literally like girls just against the wall, like just grinding against the wall. And then this fucking little Jack Black sneaks up.

Speaker 2 1:28:36

Jack Black is tough, he's dreadful. He is dreadful and that's why people love jet black.

Speaker 1 1:28:52

Ironically, he had to gain weight for this film.

Speaker 2 1:28:53

Well, this was what was this 2001 bloody I was 23 years ago. So this would have been probably shot in 2000. Yeah, 24 years ago. Yeah, jesus, you know. And to be fair to old greneth petroleum, like she was a bit, of a looker she, she's obviously she's getting older now, but she's still she's attractive. It's more about what she's doing now we'll get into that in a second.

Speaker 1 1:29:10

Yeah it's um yeah, not good so it took four hours to apply gwen's makeup and the fat suit four hours, four hours, to do all that, and on the first day she was all dolled up.

Speaker 1 1:29:20

she spent the rest of the day walking around in public. Nobody recognized her and she used people's reaction to her as an obese woman to help her understand her character in the film. She said that it was literally people avoided her, they avoided making eye contact with her. All of that because the way people perceived her as an obese woman was very different to that of a slender woman. Just like that woman spoke, Are you sure, though?

Speaker 2 1:29:42

Are you sure people didn't just go? I'm pretty sure that's Gwyneth Paltrow. She said no one recognised her. That fat suit looks horrific.

Speaker 1 1:29:47

Around her arms.

Speaker 2 1:29:49

Like what's going on? Yeah, but is it meant to look horrific? I don't know. Is it meant to be embarrassingly stupid? I don't know Like the film's obviously a joke, the film's a mess, but I don't know shit because we had because we had, oh no, what's it called the film I mentioned earlier?

Speaker 2 1:30:11

eddie murphy professor not even professor or something. That's a ridiculous film, but eddie murphy playing several characters in this fat suit, but like it looks. Maybe doesn't look as good now maybe, but it gets away with it. It works. So this that, that was what 96, I think that film came out so they could obviously make a half-decent fat suit by this point.

Speaker 1 1:30:33

Just not on really. What's happened, it was just the arms. Like her arms was too big and at times she looked bigger than others and it just didn't make sense.

Speaker 2 1:30:40

Well, she had a. She must have had a body double, didn't she?

Speaker 1 1:30:43

Oh yeah, she had a body double as well.

Speaker 2 1:30:45

Yeah, yeah, yeah For the naked scenes.

Speaker 1 1:30:48

Another few minutes for you there we go, ben, you just can't even stick to the timer?

Speaker 2 1:30:51

No, but there's a couple of good things in here, isn't there? That's worth just quickly talking about Go on then, yeah, so fat suit not good. Yeah, night professor. Yeah, look at that Maurizio. What was the guy called Maurizio? Why the hell is he called Maurizio?

Speaker 1 1:31:05

Which one's Maurizio His friend. Oh, that thing, the ball thing.

Speaker 2 1:31:08

Jason Alexander, yeah, yeah, with the powder in his head. Yeah, the towel wasn't funny.

Speaker 1 1:31:14

No, the towel wasn't funny, but it just goes to show that he had such high standards for somebody and he was obviously putting powder on his hair. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 2 1:31:23

That was a thing, was it, I don't know, weird, isn't it? Isn't that weird? Is it a thing now?

Speaker 1 1:31:27

I don't think so what even is it Like? Just I don't know.

Speaker 2 1:31:33

Right, weird, yeah, maurizio. Why is he called Maurizio I? Don't know the guy not having a spine and old Mauricio just didn't like him. Oh, look at him over there. Okay, yeah, Look at him over there like lording himself out over there.

Speaker 1 1:31:47

Oh, yeah, look, he hasn't got a spine. Look at him, because he was creeped out by people who weren't the perfect person, right, yes, and he just had to look in the fucking mirror.

Speaker 2 1:31:54

Maybe the film's a lot more cleverer than you give it credit for. Okay, humor and fat jokes, right she takes the whole bakery.

Speaker 3 1:32:09

That was a joke, wasn't it? Oh, that's when. When he meets, yeah, when marie meets her for the first time in the park.

Speaker 2 1:32:13

What the hell was the lipstick game? The lipstick game with kissing sick children. Obviously we didn't know that at the time because of how he's shallow, so we weren't seeing the fact that they were. In this. There were burns victims, yeah but he he's put lipstick on and kissing all these children, Was he not? That was the game, I believe.

Speaker 1 1:32:31

No well, they were kissing him by the looks of things.

Speaker 2 1:32:33

Okay, because he came out with kisses all over him. Yeah, but yeah, whatever, okay, fine, but yeah, he didn't see anyone, I guess when?

Speaker 1 1:32:42

Yeah, but that brought out him the goodness in him as well, I believe, because he was actually, although he wasn't seeing them the way he should see them, it showed other people the goodness in him by him doing that as well.

Speaker 2 1:32:52

Well, the film does throw a bit of a curve ball when you find out what was actually happening. What, what, that this ward there on was a burn burns ward? Oh Christ and oh Christ. And then the girl turns up and is like oh, oh, bloody hell. Yeah, and then when he sees it for the first time, yeah, oh, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:33:09

I like the way.

Speaker 2 1:33:10

Not bad. Not a bad emotional beat for the film.

Speaker 1 1:33:13

I like the way it showed the nurse the really shit nurse that she was like literally Russian, a Russian nurse, and it showed her to be really ugly.

Speaker 2 1:33:29

Yeah, the fact, In fact, that's actually. That's a human being, that woman.

Speaker 1 1:33:31

That's tough. Well, yeah, but don't forget a lot of makeup and shit, well, I suppose. So yeah, I don't, I don't, I don't. She looks like a witch. I don't know if you can put on a fin suit, well yeah, or a haggard suit.

Speaker 2 1:33:40

Yeah, maybe camera, I don't know. Cliché fat older, I'll have a pizza, burger and double fries and super duper milkshake.

Speaker 1 1:33:45

And then the steel chair collapsing.

Speaker 2 1:33:48

Yes, yeah, twice, it happens, it's unbelievably offensive. You don't need it to happen twice. Once is enough.

Speaker 1 1:33:53

Well, the second time is quite funny because obviously pants and everything were on show.

Speaker 2 1:33:59

Yes, horrendous, a horrendous lap pull down, superetting from jack. Oh we well, based on our last episode, oh, supersets yeah so behind the neck and in front, just just no, no jack put it back jack, like well, you know technically, you know superset, if you're doing behind the neck, you're getting a more upper traps, more upper back here he goes out in front. You're getting more lats, so okay, but his technique ben technique.

Speaker 1 1:34:20

He must have been behind the neck.

Speaker 2 1:34:23

It is for many probably not worth it.

Speaker 1 1:34:25

Maybe he was. What's the word? Oh, when you're giving it all. Sorry, what was the word that you used?

Speaker 2 1:34:35

going to fatigue, go yeah no, hang on going to failure yeah, that's the one.

Speaker 1 1:34:39

Maybe he was going to failure and he was losing his form yeah, no, his form was pretty, pretty bad all the way through. I'm still quite happy he he was losing his form.

Speaker 2 1:34:45

Yeah, no, his form was pretty bad all the way through. I was sort of wondering if he repped from Jack, because they were having that chat and it was not good.

Speaker 1 1:34:50

The knickers.

Speaker 2 1:34:52

What was the knickers when she was stripping in front of him? Oh that's right.

Speaker 3 1:34:55

Yeah, parachute comes along. Yes, it's such an inappropriate fellow.

Speaker 2 1:35:03

It sounds very offensive, but like it's such an inappropriate film, it's very offensive, but like how could?

Speaker 1 1:35:05

he not know how. When he pulled him out, like literally, he was just like what the hell? Yes, okay, he didn't even question it. He's always in a bit of denial yes, yeah that's when she walks away.

Speaker 2 1:35:17

She cuts a bit of the cake and she oh, can I just take a slice of that cake?

Speaker 1 1:35:19

for a girl after cake, and and he says I just don't know where she puts it. Yeah, but can you believe, like you know, when other people see her? Oh interesting.

Speaker 2 1:35:31

All I can see is this eyelash.

Speaker 1 1:35:33

So the people that are actually there, like that are with him, that can see that she is big and whatnot, and then you've got him. He must sound like a right dickhead, Like those two people that were in their thing with the cake and he's I don't know where she puts it and they know they think, oh, he's only with her, so we can get a promotion.

Speaker 2 1:35:51

Yes.

Speaker 1 1:35:51

Oh, yeah, but that plays into his character

Speaker 2 1:35:53

doesn't it Because it's like they're like oh yeah, we know what you're doing.

Speaker 1 1:35:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:35:55

How Very well done the fucking neighbour. What a cunt, sorry, what a bitch Okay yeah, that's. Jealous. We're getting monetised on YouTube now Sorry, oh yeah. So yeah, Of course.

Speaker 1 1:36:10

Yeah, she just fell in love with All interested all of a sudden. Yes, because he likes fat chicks.

Speaker 2 1:36:19

She loved that he Wasn't so shallow. Yeah, he now qualifies to go out of her instead.

Speaker 1 1:36:25

So weird.

Speaker 2 1:36:26

Okay, weird. All right, yeah, I've got it here. Yes, yes, oh, I've got. Someone drops a line about making the undesirable desirable. Who drops that line?

Speaker 1 1:36:38

Isn't it, Baldy Tailor man?

Speaker 2 1:36:40

Is it yeah? And I just put next to it. I said Ozempic makes the undesirable desirable Is that? And I just put next to it. I said Ozempic makes the undesirable desirable is that controversial, that is a bit controversial. No, I'm just meaning if the film's linked to the episode, it's like okay, maybe. I thought that's quite a good line, yeah right.

Speaker 1 1:36:54

Well, that's it on the film, isn't it? There's not really much else to say on it.

Speaker 2 1:36:56

It's shit the fat suit is so poor. We've had, we've had Eddie.

Speaker 1 1:37:01

Yeah, I need to watch that naughty professor.

Speaker 2 1:37:05

Tonight, eddie, oh no, what's her face, is it, oh Jesus?

Speaker 1 1:37:09

So let's talk a little bit about Gwyneth Paltrow.

Speaker 2 1:37:10

Oh Jada, oh yes, very quickly Finishing off, finishing off.

Speaker 1 1:37:13

So Gwyneth Paltrow, what's her goop isn't it. Gwyneth Paltrow yeah, she has this online website or online shop. It's called. What's it called?

Speaker 2 1:37:26

Goop, isn't it?

Gwyneth's Controversial Health Products

Speaker 1 1:37:26

Goop, that's it yeah, and it was the reason why they came up with that name was double O. It doesn't have to mean anything, but it can mean anything. It means nothing, but it can mean anything. However you want to look at it so stupid. So basically, Gwyneth is in there and she's selling her vagina. This candle smells like my vagina. This candle smells like my orgasm. That's the kind of shit she's peddling.

Speaker 2 1:37:49

How has she synthesised those smells?

Speaker 1 1:37:53

I have no idea. Something about grapefruit?

Speaker 2 1:37:55

No, but I mean how she? I guess the vagina. What's she done? Has she got one of the earbuds?

Speaker 1 1:38:01

She must have rubbed stuff on it. What about the orgasm one? I'm not really sure. One of the earbuds? She must have rubbed stuff on it. What?

Speaker 2 1:38:03

about the orgasm one.

Speaker 1 1:38:04

I'm not really sure how she managed that one, not really sure. I suppose that's kind of I'm not really sure, but $75 to buy that her candle that smells like her vagina so very, very controversial her products so she has sex oils that you can put on your vagina as well. I think they're 90 something dollars. You can get different flavours for the oral sex.

Speaker 3 1:38:37

I got you a for the oral sex.

Speaker 1 1:38:39

I got some raspberry ones for you, ben. They're in the basket. Have you catched my drift? Ones for you, ben. They're in the basket. Have you catched my drift? You like the raspberry, don't you? I actually only seen cherry ones.

Speaker 2 1:38:53

I like raspberries on my Weetabix, yes.

Speaker 1 1:38:54

Oh, you like breakfast, then what the hell does that mean?

Speaker 2 1:39:01

So yeah, I like breakfast, then I don't mind it, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:39:07

Oh Okay, see you in the morning.

Speaker 2 1:39:12

It's a kid's show. It's a kid's show what? You don't get about the kid stuff.

Speaker 1 1:39:17

So anyways, yeah, she's very, very controversial. So basically, what her thing is? She's basically saying you ought to put eggshells up your vagina, and all this shite helps with something eggshells yeah, she sells like no, it's not actual eggshells, but she sells these things in the shape of a eggshell, oh right, inserted into your vagina okay no science behind it, whatever she says, that she does these things. She doesn't advise people to do these things, but this is what works for her and her health and her well-being.

Speaker 2 1:39:43

Well, you know why not sell it, why not make a profit, why not?

Speaker 1 1:39:45

sell it and get loads of shit, loads of money for it.

Speaker 2 1:39:47

She sells lots of sex toys all sorts of things on that website Okay, but if people are buying it, then those Go for it.

Speaker 1 1:39:55

Yeah.

Speaker 2 1:39:56

If I could sell a candle that was scented with my shit, then Nobody would buy that Ben would buy that ben. But if they did it's like, okay, more for you. If you're gonna buy it, then more for you. Yeah, it's 150 quid. I was about to say you have maybe early adapters to the app shit center candle, I imagine that's.

Speaker 2 1:40:16

I don't know how much it is to manufacture a candle I don't know out of your shit again the perks, lots of perks on the app. Not maybe a shit scented candle we're not there yet but other perks, other perks, lots of perks on the app. So many perks yes okay, is that it then?

Speaker 1 1:40:33

is it yep, that's it on that right.

Speaker 2 1:40:36

So yeah, old guanef petroleum is is not the best by the sounds of it no insufferable, you may may say yeah. Okay, yeah. Yeah, I've heard about this whole goop nonsense. I just wanted to know a little bit of information. Okay, right, yeah, that's it then. Yeah, okay, I don't really have anything from.

Speaker 1 1:41:04

Oh, I don't have my earphones in. I think that's very low. Are you not hearing this? Yeah, I can hear it.

Speaker 2 1:41:09

Unfortunately, Right around the world. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 1:41:13

Push my head. I don't know why you weren't reacting. I was like hi Anna, what's she doing? She's not reacting, she's looking at her phone. How?

Speaker 2 1:41:18

rude.

Speaker 1 1:41:19

Anything interesting. I'm getting my case file thing up.

Speaker 2 1:41:22

Oh Christ almighty, yeah, recipe, no, I don't have one today okay I'll add it to the show notes. Yeah, I, yeah, okay, just do one. We'll just do one. Yeah, which links in 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, 10, the 10, 10, 10 rule. But I would extend this. I do the 10, 10, 10, 10, 10 rule right, go on so something that you're going to do, a habit.

Speaker 2 1:41:45

If you're going to reach for the food or the fridge or you're not going to go to the gym or anything, you're going to do. Any decision you make during the day which revolves around your habits and your fitness and exercise and nutrition and diet, how are you going to feel about that habit, if you do it or don't do it, after 10 minutes, 10 months or 10 years? So if you decide to not go to the gym, you know, do you know what? I'm gonna sack it off. Can't be asked sit back down, go back to bed. How are you gonna feel about that decision in 10 minutes and then 10 months and then 10 years? But it's a little, it's a little bit too much you need.

Speaker 2 1:42:22

You need more. You need more extreme. I'd have it more extreme. I'd say, add 10 seconds in and then 10 weeks add those in about 10 days 10 days, 10 hours right the day after okay, so make it more extreme, not enough, that's true it's not enough, was it? No? I think I think the original one is 10. I think it it's 10 minutes, 10 months and 10 years. Yeah, I mean, that's the original.

Speaker 1 1:42:47

So you need to get more, get more tense in 10 minutes, 10 hours, 10 days, 10 weeks, you know realistically, if you start to feel regret after 10 seconds you probably should just do it there, and then it's 10 seconds, isn't it?

Speaker 2 1:43:00

Same with in with 10 minutes. You have to be careful, don't you? You have to be careful when it comes to exercise and making the decision to go to the gym or to go for a walk. That can be remedied. You can do that straight away. You go. Oh no, no, no, I regret this. Straight up 10 minutes later. You've still got time. I've still got time to do this. Let's go If you've eaten the cookie or you've eaten the massive cake 10 seconds or during 10 seconds after you finished it. Okay, you've done it. Now You've boobed, but think about those emotions. Yeah, yes.

Speaker 2 1:43:30

Okay, there you go.

Speaker 1 1:43:32

I'm trying to find, I can't do it.

Speaker 2 1:43:39

Okay, yeah, loud, yeah, very loud. Is it loud, yeah, very loud is it that's great yeah yeah, I love it. That must be. What's it called Case Files? Yep oh.

Speaker 1 1:43:55

Case File. It's the only podcast I listen to. Case File. True Crime, episode 76 where are the? Fans going. We listened to this, ben, did we me and you in. I'm Ben. Yep, we me and you in. I'm Ben yep, you, ben and me Fiona, silk Road oh yes, yes, I completely forgot about that episode that's an interesting one.

Speaker 2 1:44:15

Yeah, there's like what four parts to it?

Speaker 1 1:44:17

there's three parts, oh okay, three parts to Silk Road, so very good. I'd recommend listening to it okay, is there a brief? Synopsis on it. Oh, I didn't get it because you were giving out to me about it. No, as long as the synopsis doesn't ruin it. Okay, fine, If it just no the synopsis was because I read the synopsis and the synopsis wasn't actually that informative as to what it is actually about.

Speaker 2 1:44:34

Okay, that's probably what you want, yeah.

Speaker 1 1:44:35

Okay. So, Pennsylvania State University student Ross Ulbrich had been fascinated with mathematics and science from a young age. During his college years he developed a new fascination with libertarianism, a political philosophy that values individual freedom above all else. For Ross, this became more of an interest. It became a way of life.

Speaker 2 1:45:01

Oh, what could that mean? Doom, doom, doom. Goodness gracious.

Speaker 1 1:45:06

So, yeah, very good, remember, listen to that. I think we were in New Zealand.

Speaker 2 1:45:12

Oh, yes, we were, yeah, I remember yeah, in the van. Yeah, going around. There were, yes, windy roads yeah, yeah, meanders. Hmm, yeah, and here we are now.

Speaker 1 1:45:20

Yeah, in the Pushpull House studio.

Speaker 2 1:45:21

Yeah, so much better, starving, way better you're about to chew my hair okay, there was some good stuff in there. You know we had to rush through at the end, so you know I'll start making my own separate videos talk about some of this stuff and also we'll just bring it back up again. I'll save some of it and put it on to the next episode okay, well, thank you you know, we've only got I'm hungry okay, same same. Yeah, I'm just saying we've plenty of time. What's the?

Speaker 1 1:45:42

rush'm hungry.

Speaker 2 1:45:44

In the future, when people get on the app and we get a couple more students. When we get on the app and we get a couple more clients into the Bushcraft Studios. Full time yeah, Doing this full time Great.

Speaker 1 1:45:58

I will be.

Speaker 2 1:45:59

I'd even consider potentially having a little Billy, if it meant that you were off work. It was like Fiona, what's your excuse?

Speaker 3 1:46:05

now more time in.

Speaker 2 1:46:06

I don't know the banshee oh right get in we'll get in, he'll look after himself, get in the studio three times a week brilliant.

Speaker 1 1:46:16

Literally, I'll be just after giving birth to poor Billy and he'll be just alright. Fiona podcast on giving birth. How do you feel?

Speaker 2 1:46:22

Well, that should get me some subscribers, shouldn't it? You put Billy here, don't you? Because people like the baby, don't they? A little Billy here, a little Billy over there Spin the camera around. Oh, look at him. Oh, he's cute. Subscribe. I'd probably have to curb your language as well, just to let everyone know there is no Billy happening at the moment. If people can guarantee they get on the app and I get some more subscribers, I'll consider it.

Speaker 1 1:46:47

Right, good luck, everyone Thank you. Goodbye, I'm starving. Push, pull, help, pushing your help from the pulls of life. Adios, oh fucking.