Push Pull Health

The Cognitive Biases Keeping You Stuck

• Ben Davis • Season 1 • Episode 34

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What does your rotten health attitude struggle with most?

Mild discomfort is the sneakiest trap. When life is “fine,” change feels unnecessary—until it isn’t. 

We pull back the curtain on the psychology that keeps people circling quick fixes: the region beta paradox, cognitive dissonance, and the availability heuristic that makes past diets look better than they felt. 

The mediocrity trap—tight clothes that still button, creaky knees on the stairs, bleak sleep patched with coffee—shows why tolerable problems rarely spark action. 

From there, we map the fork in the road: flashy six‑week shreds versus the slow, identity‑level work that actually sticks. Ben shares the evidence‑based lens he’s just earned, and we lay out simple trade‑offs that compound over time. 

Then we get blunt about cognitive dissonance. You want the outcome, but your trolley and calendar tell a different story. We offer a practical fix: build a new identity quietly by acting like the person you’re becoming, not by announcing it. Finally, we unpack the availability heuristic and the fading effect: you remember compliments and old jeans more readily than you do hunger, isolation, and rebound. That’s the dieting loop—fail, pain fades, remember the win, repeat. 

With a temper as short as her legs, Fiona joins Ben every week to forcefully "Push Your Health From The Pulls Of Life."

Expect Foul-mouthed narcissistic ramblings on fitness, nutrition, film, and life's daily rot.

This weekly audio & video expansion on the world-famous 'The Daily (ish) Rot' email and video ramblings also includes:

Usefully Useless Fitness and Diet Advice.
Half-arsed film reviews.
The exploitation of children.
True Crime recommendations.
Nutritious leprechaun-inspired recipes (short and to the point)
Narcissistic wisdom.

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Only to start the same rotten cycle again?

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Just arguing off camera, won't we, Fiona, about this.

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We never argue, Ben.

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We know what Santa's getting you.

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I'm not getting a tablet, Ben.

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We don't not an iPad, buddy.

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I don't want to.

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Worth that.

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I don't want her. This is absolutely no difference between that size and this size.

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Just can't see. Barely can see.

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Hi, I'm here. Yes, you can see me. We've just been a twat. Sorry.

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Post-productions just doesn't work for me. Well I have to edit this in.

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It works for me. You don't need to edit out. Who wants to see me anyway? You're the star.

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How would you know?

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You're the star. I am. Yes.

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How would you know? How would you know? How many episodes have you edited?

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A whole zero.

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You couldn't even do your job today, could you? Couldn't even do your job today. Because you're uh you're a bit under the weather.

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I'm unwell then. He's unwell.

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He's unwell. It's unwell. It's unwell. I'm so happy we're having to slash this. This is now becoming a two-parter. Is that correct?

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We'll see how it goes. How about that?

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No, it's a two-parter. It's a two-parter, isn't it? Oh, bless ya. Bless ya. Oh, I forgot about this. This is new, isn't it? Yeah. We sit on the same sofa now.

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Yeah. Anyways, who are you? Where are you going on?

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Pushable health. Pushable health. Two parter. This is gonna be a two-parter.

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It stinks.

unknown:

Sorry.

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Okay. Have you? Don't know. Shoved up your arse.

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Well, the cat was at.

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Okay. So he shoved it up his ass.

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Why does someone have to shove it up their ass? I don't know. Why does he stink?

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It's just been in the box. Maybe lick it. Oh yeah, it's got bad breath. Yeah. Which the tongue goes to the arse, which makes sense, doesn't it?

unknown:

Stop it.

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And goes to the other cat's arse. Holes. Bum holes.

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Stop it, Ben. Stop it.

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God. Right, so you're sick, so thanks very much. Well done.

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No badder.

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But I've done the best thing I could and dragged you on to get something done.

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Yeah, we'll see how it goes. I'm Techy.

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Oh. Nothing new there. Huh?

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That's true.

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This needs to go.

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Right. Who are you and where are you going?

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I'm Ben from Pushpool Health. This is Pushpool Health. We will have an intro.

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Canadian man.

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There is a bald, I think he's 50 now.

unknown:

Wow.

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There is a bald 50-year-old, sad, lonely Canadian man. Don't ask how we met. Don't ask how I know him. He's in Canada somewhere. He's very lonely. It's very sad. So what am I gonna do for him? I'm gonna let him do the intro for push poor health.

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You just keep push putting that off door, Ben.

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Well we don't do the other they won't do the other one anymore, though.

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We don't do the other show. Remember the other show?

unknown:

Yeah.

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The film review one. He was a big fan of that. Huge fan. We don't do that anymore.

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No.

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We do a part of it though. That's annoying. Two weeks ago? That film podcast got 264 downloads. Went released an episode for almost three years.

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Why? Why is it why haven't you just deleted everything?

SPEAKER_01:

Why would I? 264 downloads. But why these people doing it? In a week, Fiona. Not a month, not a year, in a week. Silly people. Because I'm I'm assuming a couple of people have stumbled upon it and gone. Yeah. This is how it should be.

SPEAKER_03:

Hmm. Maybe.

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Take that. The efforts. Thank you very much. Push for health. We've still got the film bit, just not as long. Those film reviews were terrible. Hour and a half of just rubbish.

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The King's speech was very good.

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Thank you very much, all those downloads, downloaders. Come over here. The film reviews still exist over here. They're just shortened. They're improved.

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Well, what do we do now, Ben? What's the whole thing about washing your heads? Oh, push your health.

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Pushing your hell from the pools of life.

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What does that mean?

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Empowering you to find a form of exercise that you can stomach and a diet you can stick to for longer than 10 minutes. Give the middle finger to your yo-yo diet and half-ass exercise routine in just 30 days. Many taglines. Many taglines.

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Wash your face.

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All good. Oh well. How do you pick?

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The mall.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, and there you go.

unknown:

Nice.

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Yeah. Should we get on?

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Should we get on? Let's get on.

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15%. We forgot to clap.

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It's fine. It's fine. Too late now, isn't it? It's too late. I'll deal with that post-production.

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Yep, I'm sure. Will you do this one? Absolutely. You're gonna edit this video?

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No. No, you should, because then you could see this and go, God, do you know what that is a bit ridiculous, isn't it?

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Then you can't even see it. It's not an issue. No worries. You won't know, will you?

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Do you watch the episodes when they're released on YouTube?

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Oh I hate them. I hate seeing myself.

SPEAKER_01:

That's a shame. Do have a few more subscribers. Boost those numbers. It's getting there. Just it's a grind. It's slow. But we've reached the point now where I've got maybe more time.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, why? Why do you have more time all of a sudden?

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Doesn't matter.

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What's happened with MNU? Oh, that's right.

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I am now officially an evidence-based practitioner.

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Oh, he passed it. He passed it.

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It was yeah. Rockier than I expected. Tough. But I suppose it should be.

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That's the way it's.

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Everyone in the world is an evidence-based practitioner.

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No.

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So it's not Mickey Mouse, is it?

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Ben from Pushpull Health is.

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I am. I am.

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Yeah.

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I am.

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He's one of a few.

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The website, on the other hand.

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Hard work. Misery. Not so good.

SPEAKER_01:

Misery. That's kind of there now. Kind of. So those were the two. 2025, those two, away from actually just running Pushpool Health. The app, online clients, the lovely clients at the private pushbelf studio in Hernbay, Kent. Just doing that as well. As on top of this, and a menu and the website. It's a lot. It's a lot.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, what's 2026 gonna bring?

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More time, hopefully. More time. So buckle in. This is becoming a daily thing.

unknown:

Yeah.

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It's so much easier because if we just do the shorter ones, even though this is Sure, we're 10 minutes in and say, we just do short ones. Or we can just do the same episode, but part one to five. So we just energies in. Go right 45 minutes, that's enough. Energy, I'm knackered. Let's move on with our day. We'll do part two tomorrow.

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Yes.

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Not part two next year. That schedule's not working for me.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. So what are we doing today, Ben?

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So the film is the Truman Show.

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Oh good film. I was very unwell yesterday, but I actually watched it and I actually absorbed it. It's very good.

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It is.

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It's a good film. But for some reason, I had it in my head that the film also filmed outside of the end of the film.

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No. Yeah, I don't know why I thought that. No, no. No. But we'll get to that in part two. Yes. Or part six.

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Or ten. That is right.

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What are we doing?

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So we're doing.

unknown:

Oh.

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Oh, sorry.

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Oh, I thought you were asking me.

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Sorry, I know you're on well, so I don't need to do too much work.

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So we are doing understanding common cognitive biases.

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Yes, common fallacies.

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Oh, oh, that's the word.

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Have you heard of the term cognitive biases?

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Not really. Biases. Not really, but fallacies. Yes, I've heard you bang on about fallacies quite a lot. I have, yeah. You're talking over me.

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Please?

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You're talking about me. No, I just said that.

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How are you feeling? You're looking pretty perky. No, I feel shit. I knew this would be, I knew this, I knew doing this would make you feel better. That's why I dragged you on. Some would say I'm a monster.

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You are.

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Don't like the awkward pauses, like, what do you want to do? Yes, so we are doing cognitive biases. We're gonna get into a few. I should have had a definition of what a cognitive biases is.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. You should have. But you didn't.

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. And I don't want to just gargle one out. So why don't we get into some common ones that us humans face in our lives, and then it will then start to make a bit more sense. I just punched the mic and it punched me in the face. Did you see that? Good. I just did this.

SPEAKER_03:

Good. I am glad. Did it chipp a two, chippy? That's happened before.

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That's old. That's old. That's on the old one. So it's like we've never done this before. Are we okay?

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No, I'm not feeling very well then.

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You look you look and sound pergy.

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I'm feeling very crap. Okay.

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Well, we're breaking it down for you.

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Yeah.

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What a trooper, eh? Hey, hey, everyone. What a trooper she is.

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You're so irritated.

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What a trooper.

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Region beta paradox.

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Hang on, hang on.

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The mediocrity trap. Right. The mediocrity.

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The region, yes, the region beta or beta paradox. The mediocrity trap.

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So what that basically means is people are less likely to change when things are mildly uncomfortable than compared to when they're unbe unbearable.

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Okay. What else we got? Mild problems last longer because they never spark action.

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Severe problems force movement.

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Reactive to our lives, not proactive.

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Plus it's taking turns.

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We need to get new sofas.

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I know.

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This is uncomfortable.

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So what does that mean, Ben? It means that we just complain about the little things but never do anything about it. It's only when it becomes a problem we complain. Yes, I believe. Or we ch we make changes.

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I believe most people spend their lives in the region beta. Paradox. Area. Space. Continuing. There. There. Everything's just a bit rubbish. But don't work's just a bit rubbish.

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But they're not willing to change.

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Changing is hard. Changing is painful.

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People don't like change. I don't like change.

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The older you get, the more responsibilities you get. It's hard. It's very hard just to wake up and go, do you know what? That's it. That's enough. No more. I'm not going to work. That's it. It's over.

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Lovely.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, well, fine. Great. We've got the children, yeah. The mortgage? The car? What about the holiday?

SPEAKER_03:

What about Benadorm? That's important. What about Benadorm? Maybe not Benedorm, but that's important.

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Sorry, what do you want to say?

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I've been to Benedorm. I don't like to go back to Santorini. Okay.

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What else is there?

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What's that other tip? I'd like to go back to Greece.

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Okay. Uh Mikanos.

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What about Mikanos? No, I want to go back to Santorini. Anyhow.

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Pick a popular holiday destination. What about it? Who's going to pay for it? So, no. Get up, go to work.

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But that's a necessity. Because you have to work to pay your bills.

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Yes. Most people do, yeah. Yes. Yeah.

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So you can't really change that, can you, unless you change your job and become happier.

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Right. Even doing that is painful.

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That's that's hard. Yes. To fill in out a job application these days takes ages.

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Right. So it's easier to just moan about something.

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Yes.

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And depending on what else you've got going on in your life and other responsibilities that you've got, it's very difficult. Anything else on there, Fiona? So these episodes are different now, aren't they? So we don't want to just have you sit back and everyone just sit back and listen to you just struggle your way through.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I do struggle to read. Massively.

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It's it's horrible.

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Yeah.

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Yeah. So again, me. Just a nice person. Yeah. Dragged you on here because I know it'll make you feel better.

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Doesn't.

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I don't want you to, I don't want you to struggle through this anymore with your dyslexia. Thanks. I don't want to see it. I don't want to hear it. So anything else on there?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I liked your examples.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, oh, this is fantastic. Yes. And some of them are related to health and fitness because push pull health. It's push-pull health.

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Pushing your health and push as well.

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We talk about health.

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Yes, we do.

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Makes sense, doesn't it?

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So your clothes are tight, but they're not that tight. You're still getting away with it. Even though there's a little bit of overhang happening, you're still getting away with it. You're still not going to do anything to change because it still fits, it still closes. Your sleep is crap. But I'll just have a cup of coffee. I'll feel alright then. I like that one.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Yeah. It's good, isn't it? Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Joint aches, but you know, it's not dramatic. When I walk up the steps, my knees are starting to grind. I'm 35 now. I'm 35. That shouldn't be happening. Yeah, I'm getting old. Yeah.

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No, no, no, it should be. I'm getting older. That's the point. Oh, and I'm older. Well, it shouldn't be. I'm past it.

SPEAKER_03:

It should be when you're 60.

SPEAKER_01:

Whatever age. I said 35.

SPEAKER_03:

It's quite young, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01:

But it starts to you start to get creaky. At 60, of course. Well, 60, you're like, well, I'm dead. I'm pretty much dead. So. No, that's the mindset, isn't it? That's the mindset. Yes. Well, maybe you should make a change, you know, maybe join the private pushwell studio down the road.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, but it's only hurting a little bit, Ben. It's only hurting a little bit.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I know, I'm 60. I'm 60. I could be dead tomorrow. Those days have gone. Those days have gone. And it's some some days are good. It's not always terrible. I'm not always in pain. It's only door's steps.

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I'm miserable most days, but some days are happier. I feel a bit better. We go to Benedorm.

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That's what you and Benedorm today.

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It's a popular holiday destination.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. It is actually. I've been there. Your diet feels grim, but you've had worse.

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Yeah?

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Yeah?

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Yeah.

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I think we've all done it.

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Yo-yo dietis. Give the middle finger. Sorry, kids. To yo-yo dietis.

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Yes.

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It has to be pretty grim. Most people, when they start a diet, is because they've they've gone past that point. So then they're in there at the region beta, beta paradox. They're in that most of the time, like, oh no, I could exercise. Oh, I've I probably should cut down a little bit, maybe. And then they may open the door as Truman does. Step out. God, okay. Yeah, let's make a change. I'm I'm feeling really rubbish. That's approaching. January, new year. No yeah, near me. It's coming.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I don't want to.

SPEAKER_01:

So you open the door like Truman does, which we'll get to in part two. You step through and go, oh, okay, this is this is the other side. But then it's scary. Because the other side is like, yeah, we're here.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, the other side's all change.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. The other side will then present you with some options. Here's one option six week shred. Juice diet? Counting points and sentence. You've done it before, you got results? Remember?

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Yeah, yeah.

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Yeah.

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But you're not excited about it. And it's only six weeks. It's only six weeks.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, oh, okay. Well, I've opened the door now, so I'm here, so alright. I can I'll give it a word. I can give you, I can give you six weeks. Or me, hi. Uh Ben, push more health. Yeah, oh I've seen some of your wacky videos. Yeah, I'm not too sure. You seem a bit weird.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah. Fair enough.

SPEAKER_01:

But I have this. This is this is a long-term solution. So this is this is the whole of 2026. This is a year. What do you think? On the app, in the private studio? It won't be easy. But long term, change your life. Long term you'll feel better.

SPEAKER_03:

Nah, I'll do the six-week one.

SPEAKER_01:

So this paradox that you're in, the region beta, you're in this. So that we're gonna try and get you out of that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, but you see that most people stay in this region, Bisha, most of their lives.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, exactly.

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Yes.

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Yes, and if they do open the door and come through and go, oh, you know, what there are other options. Let's have a look. Okay. Push for health over here. Like, how long? A year? Six months. I'm only mildly dissatisfied. I'm just a little bit overweight. My clothes are just a little bit too tight. Or sorry, that that was someone else. Hi, count points and sins. Juice diet, six weeks. Quick, come on, six weeks. Six weeks. Six weeks. Bloody hell. Six months. It's six months, but it's long term. It's long term. You won't have to do those again. Come on.

SPEAKER_03:

Nah.

SPEAKER_00:

Okay, there we go. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

See you, cross head clown. Yep. Not a hope.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So I'm not sure that was a good explanation, but I'm hoping people kind of get the point of what we're trying to get at.

SPEAKER_03:

I get it. I get it. I get it.

SPEAKER_01:

Anything else on there, Fiona?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, no, you said that the the mediocrity trap was a default setting for adults.

SPEAKER_01:

The the same thing, Altman. Yes. Yes. We just we're we're very we're not very proactive with most things in our life, let alone our health. It has to get really bad. As I keep saying, you have to get almost past the paradox, the region beta. You have to get past it. Beta beta. Beta beta. You have to get past it. You have to open the door, as I keep saying.

SPEAKER_03:

I liked what you wrote here about the prompts. A slow burning decline in your own health or fitness before you fixed it. Yes. Yes.

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And not proactive.

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Who who a client who ignored early warning signs until it became a crisis?

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, and most most people do. Most people will come to me because it's it's bad. It's not good. Very rarely will people come to me and go, Oh, yeah, I'm just in this region beta paradox. I'm like, ugh, it's just a bit just a bit. I just yeah, I probably could do something, but I've just not got the drive to. And for some reason, I saw one of your videos, or I got recommended. You got recommended by someone. I thought, oh do you know what? I'll be proactive. I won't allow it to get really miserable. That's why I'm here. No. No, it's quite rare for people to do that. It's I'm I'm rock bottom. Like it's really bad. This is yeah, this is terrible. I've put on a lot of weight. I'm not very happy. I don't exercise anymore. Everything hurts. Name your endless amount of pain points. But still, are they in for the lo are they in for the long haul?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, I still intend people still want quick fixes.

SPEAKER_01:

Who wouldn't want a quick fix? Especially if you've done this before. If you've given it a go. If you've gone on a diet, if you've tried to exercise, it was miserable. It's not it was miserable. You got results, they were good, you're happy with those, but the process, which we'll get to in another one, the process. You almost have to block you have to block that out. Do you remember the last six-week shred? Yeah, I lost like 25 pounds. Okay, brilliant. How did you feel? How'd you feel at the end? I lost 25 pounds. Okay, well, what about from week ones to six? What about that that middle zone there?

SPEAKER_03:

Uh yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I I forgot about that. It's very traumatic. Not great, I don't think. Yeah, didn't have any energy. Starving. Ratty. Hated everyone and everything. Yeah, but hey, 25 pounds. Okay. And why was the 25 pounds? Ugh. They went back on answer.

unknown:

Okay.

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Not to judge people. God, no. God no. How are we feeling?

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah? You look a bit peaky now.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, I feel fun.

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Yeah, I'm dealing.

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I feel fine.

SPEAKER_01:

You look a little bit peaky. Wonder how you look on the camera. Anything else there, Fiona? Anything else there?

SPEAKER_03:

No, I think we're happy to go on to Iver at all.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, okay. Well we can bolt these out a little bit now because the point is, Fiona, the point of all this. The point is wouldn't this be nice if this wasn't just like a a once-a-month thing? Yes. Wouldn't it be quite refreshing if you could just pay?

SPEAKER_03:

But I'm I'm much preferring this new layout. No, that's fine.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, exactly. So imagine if we just did this You're more relaxed.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm more relaxed. Oh, and he's not giving out the Imagine if we just did this more often. And I don't even have to. Maybe not every day.

SPEAKER_01:

Maybe that's a little bit ambitious. We need to get the sponsorship deals, numerous things need to. But a couple of times a week.

SPEAKER_02:

And you just do the shorter episodes. It's fine.

SPEAKER_01:

I think we can I think we need to get to that that two mark. And it just it's shorter. It's like 45 minutes. And you go, do you know what? Yeah, okay. I could go on for another half an hour, but my energy levels are tanking a touch. So let's move on.

SPEAKER_03:

And let's move on to number two then.

SPEAKER_01:

There's not as much pressure, is there, to get everything out. I've got all these, I've got all these cognitive fallacies, I've got these fallacies, I've got all these biases, I need to get them all out. There's hundreds. There's hundreds and hundreds and hundreds. Other episodes, it's like, right, okay, we're gonna talk about bodybuilding. We're gonna talk about calories.

SPEAKER_03:

We've done bodybuilding.

unknown:

Oh.

SPEAKER_01:

We're gonna try and take this topic and speak about everything in one hour and then never talk about it ever again.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, but we always do.

SPEAKER_01:

I know. And why do you think it's stressful?

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I think.

SPEAKER_01:

Why do you think it turns to poop? Oh let's just talk about these more often.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, darling.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, great. I'm here. Does that make sense? Yes.

SPEAKER_02:

If you enjoy something, just do it more often.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Like this.

SPEAKER_03:

Number two.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Can that be seen on the camera?

SPEAKER_03:

Hello pumpkin.

SPEAKER_01:

The Halloween episode? Trick or trick or treat? That was there the whole time. I had no idea.

SPEAKER_03:

Ben's observations.

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't even know that said ha hello pumpkin. No idea.

SPEAKER_03:

The autumn one.

SPEAKER_01:

Wasn't part of the show.

SPEAKER_03:

We'll have a Christmas one.

SPEAKER_01:

Wasn't part of the uh the decor.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay, number two. What's number two, Ben?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Cognitive dissonance.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, okay. Yeah. Nice. Cognitive dissonance. You just gotta do a little bit of work still. You've got to do something. Because you don't do anything else. You do nothing. Zero. You can't even put the lights on properly today. Is the camera straight? I'm not too sure.

SPEAKER_03:

You did that.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm not too sure. Gotta get those curtains closed as well.

SPEAKER_03:

Right, what's cognitive dissonance?

SPEAKER_01:

The scientific explanation is there, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, go on. You do some work too.

SPEAKER_01:

Who do you think put the notes together? Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Holding two conflicting beliefs causes mental discomfort.

SPEAKER_01:

The brain reduces the tension by inventing a more comfortable story. Oh no, that's the same thing, isn't it?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, sorry. That was sorry, that's the next one.

SPEAKER_03:

I can't see the next one, by the way.

SPEAKER_01:

You want the outcome, but you are unwilling to adopt the behaviours needed to achieve it.

SPEAKER_03:

Say that again.

SPEAKER_01:

You want the outcome, but you are unwilling to adopt the behaviours needed to achieve it.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Gotta get a boom arm. Just get someone to hold it. It's quite heavy, this.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

It's quite heavy.

SPEAKER_03:

So examples of that then. Is that making sense? Yes. It makes sense. Good. You don't want to make any changes, basically. You don't want to change your behaviors.

SPEAKER_01:

You want to make changes.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, but you're not doing anything about wanting to do it. Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

I want to exercise. I want to start becoming an exercise person, but I don't want to do any exercise.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Or they will say that and then they will be doing the opposite. Their behaviors and the way they carry themselves and the things they do, habits day to day, won't change. Or they won't become something you would expect from someone who exercises regularly and looks after their health.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, when you've got one here, I want to lose weight, but also I want to eat not like nothing needs to change.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. Probably why that the foods that you love. Probably why that just does so well. Because it's the dream, isn't it?

unknown:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Here's my six-week shred. And you can still enjoy all the foods that you love. How?

SPEAKER_03:

In a lot smaller quantities.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, there's there's lots, isn't it? And also sometimes it does it not depend on what what foods are these? And in what quantity. When you say, I just want to eat all the foods that I love but lose weight, or lose body fat. I will say weight, but it's it's body fat, isn't it, Fiona? Losing weight is yeah, is is reasonably simple.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah. It's simple, not easy.

SPEAKER_01:

But I mean the concept of actually losing mass, losing weight, you can lose weight pretty quickly.

SPEAKER_03:

And how does it be a good thing? Goes to the toilet. Oh, I was gonna say calorie depth.

SPEAKER_01:

Drop the kids off. No, I'm talking about weight. Losing weight as opposed to body fat.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

So when people say I want to lose weight, they really mean body fat. Yeah?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

If you sell someone on the dream of join my six week tread, and you can still enjoy all the foods that you love. Okay. Out of interest, what are all these foods that you love?

SPEAKER_03:

Pizza. Full fat cork.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

Full fat milk.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. White bread. So not demonizing foods, but it's more about how often do you eat them and the quantity of them?

SPEAKER_03:

I have a 20-inch 20-inch dominance every day.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

What wash down what bottle of cork? Full fat. And then I have donuts or something afterwards.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, we might be being a little bit facetious here. But yes, that there's to a degree, it's the the quantity of the food and how little you're moving. So if you're not willing to adopt these new principles of.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't walk out to my car on the drive.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

So I do move.

SPEAKER_01:

So yes, you you can still enjoy those foods, but the dream fizzles out when I have to tell you that you have to cut them down dramatically.

SPEAKER_03:

How dramatically though?

SPEAKER_01:

A slice of pizza? What full fat coat goes to Coke Zero?

SPEAKER_03:

What about moving down as breakfast? Am I still allowed that?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Do you have coffee with it? Yeah. Nice milky latte. Okay. Black. Americano.

SPEAKER_03:

Where's a six-week person?

SPEAKER_01:

Socialising. I've got a bang, I've got a banging social life. Oh, you can you can still go out. Yeah, yeah. So you can enjoy the food that you live and you can still go out and it and just just enjoy, revel in your banging social life. Brilliant. I just can't believe it. This is amazing.

SPEAKER_03:

Two pints of cider, anyone?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, that that needs to stop. Yeah.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Based on your goals. By all means, keep keep drinking the beers, the Guinness, whatever you want. But if you're trying to lose fat, you might need to change those. You might need to s swap out the beers for a slim line gin and tonic.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't like it.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. So let's try and find a spirit and a low-calorie mixer that you do enjoy. But you can still go out, you can still have a couple of drinks and still engage in the tomfoolery and the all the ballyhoo that comes with having a bang in social life.

SPEAKER_03:

Am I allowed my 20 chicken nuggets after the end of the night if I do that?

SPEAKER_01:

It's not about allowing it. You do whatever you want. You're an adult. But what are your goals?

SPEAKER_03:

To lose weight. I just gave up my 20 pints of cider for 10 years ago.

SPEAKER_01:

Are you willing to move a bit more then?

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe. I'll be dancing all night, so Right.

SPEAKER_01:

Long term. Are you willing to find a form of exercise at your stomach? Twice a week?

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01:

Are you willing to increase your steps a little bit?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, you are?

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01:

Well which one is it?

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe. Haven't decided yet.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. You can call yourself an excise person and you're going to start doing all these amazing things for your diet, for your health. Move a bit more, exercise, etc. But then I see you. I bump into you in the in the the aisle of Aldi, the middle aisle of Audi. And there you are. Trolley, just rammed, full of Ben and Jerry's. It's not Ben and Jerry's because it's Audi, but they're equivalent. And don't get me started on the low-calorie ice cream in Aldi. Or little. Don't even get me started on where that's gone.

SPEAKER_03:

Where has that gone? What's it been placed at? No, what's it? Bakewell tart.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, full fat bakewell tart ice cream. Yeah, we're all just hunkering for that, aren't we? Anyway.

SPEAKER_03:

It's never sold out, just to let you know.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. The freezer's stocked full of just random full fat ice cream flavours that no one's eating.

SPEAKER_03:

But the low calorie one, that was always sold out.

SPEAKER_01:

Who wants it? I don't want it.

SPEAKER_03:

I think you do. I think you do, Ben.

SPEAKER_01:

Not interested. I think you do. Anyway, let's bring it back. Let's bring it back. Is that making sense? So I Ben, I'm ready. Pushable health, long term, I'm ready to go. I'm going to try and become an excise person. I may never enjoy it, but I'm going to try and find something I can stomach. Excellent. Excellent. I see you an hour later in Audi. Trolley. Rammed. Stocked to the brim.

SPEAKER_03:

I'll start tomorrow.

SPEAKER_01:

Of this new fantastic Bakewell tart, full fat ice cream. And it's not about saying that you can't have it. We've just discussed the foods that you love. You can try and get them in. Does this not represent a bit of a clash here? We've just had the discussion. And an hour later, the trolley is rammed full of ice cream. Then what? The excuses? Oh, I've just had a really stressful day. Oh, my ankle hurts. It's just tough. I was on the treadmill for 15 minutes.

SPEAKER_03:

So got my steps in. Some of them.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I I walk around the block two or three times.

SPEAKER_03:

Hmm. So not everybody. Other examples there, Fioda. Stay with Aldi.

SPEAKER_01:

Don't say one thing in the private pushwell studio or on the app. And then I I I go and I see you in Aldi with the trolley stock full of full fat, bake or tart, ice cream.

SPEAKER_03:

What if it was stocked full of the little calorie one, Ben?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, that's the difference, isn't it? That's the difference. Because you could say the foods that I love is ice cream. Right, okay. If your goal is to lose body fat, maybe we can start here. What do you think? Okay, yeah, I'll give it a go. An hour later. Oh. Nice to see you, Steve. Oh, low calorie ice cream. Yeah, yeah. You know, giving it a go. Giving it a go. Trying to make some changes. Nice.

SPEAKER_03:

But you're not going to see that, are you, Ben? I don't know. Because Aldi's not stuck in it.

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, that's not in this instance, no. So yes, oh, there you go. Then so it's not their fault. They did go and reach for the low-calorie ice cream, but because Aldi have uh put it in the bin, they had to go for the cherry bake well.

SPEAKER_03:

So it's Aldi's fault. It's Aldi's fault. Aldi's fault.

SPEAKER_01:

There you go. Cognitive dissonance.

SPEAKER_03:

Aldi.

SPEAKER_01:

Aldi.

SPEAKER_03:

A little.

SPEAKER_01:

God, I'm so uncomfortable. Wow. Wow, wow, wow.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. So what else?

SPEAKER_01:

Other examples there, Fiona?

SPEAKER_03:

Um, where is it? I'm starting fresh this week versus I'm acting like someone who is who isn't starting anything. Monday. I always say I'll start a diet on a Monday. Don't know why. It never happens on a Monday.

SPEAKER_01:

Like the previous Monday and the one before that.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, it never happens. And then you have to say, oh, Wednesday comes, oh, I'll just have to wait until Monday to start.

SPEAKER_01:

The thing about cognitive dissonance, cognitive dissonance is it sounds like we're making people feel bad.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I think it's just a normal brain war, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but you want to do it, but no one likes to be called out, do they? And that's what it is. That this is what this bias is. Cognitive dissonance is that. I'm going to do this and then do the opposite. Your behaviors and your habits demonstrate that you're not doing that and you're doing the opposite. Or you're not falling in line with your new label that you've given yourself.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Jesus.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, sorry. Thought provoking, eh? Yeah, it's very thought-provoking. So yeah, there's more examples here, but do we need to go through them all?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know, maybe. A couple more, is there any more?

SPEAKER_03:

Exercise is important to me versus I only move when guilt forces me to.

SPEAKER_01:

But what about down here, Fiona?

SPEAKER_03:

I want to be healthier versus I don't want to behave like a healthy person.

SPEAKER_01:

Here we go. What about this? In the moment. So because the moment you say I go to the gym, I train regularly, I eat a bit better. It clashes with their existing identity. I don't like the gym. I'm not an active person. Life is stressful. Food is my comfort. Exercise is something other people do.

SPEAKER_03:

Very good.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Should have talked more about that.

SPEAKER_03:

So the brain has to what did you say about the brain earlier? You had a good statement about the brain. So the brain has to pick one side, doesn't it?

SPEAKER_01:

It's a clash, isn't it? There's a clash. There's a constant clash. And identity, that's a big thing. We didn't we should have spent more time on that. If you identify with certain characteristics or a way of life, food, exercise, habits, behaviour. That takes a long time. You can wake up every single day and say, Do you know what I'm going to exercise today? I'm going to start becoming an exercise person. Back into the Monday thing.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm going to start Monday. I'm a person that gets back on the horse Monday.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm not. Monday's the worst day to start.

SPEAKER_01:

What about your identity?

SPEAKER_03:

It's a horrible day to start.

SPEAKER_01:

What about all the traits that make up your current identity? They're the opposite of that. You hate Mondays.

SPEAKER_03:

I hate Mondays.

SPEAKER_01:

You feel terrible.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

6 a.m. swing class on a Monday. Are you sure? No. Is that long term?

SPEAKER_03:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

Right.

SPEAKER_03:

That's once on the blue moon.

SPEAKER_01:

So they're gonna clash.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

They're gonna clash straight away. You want to get to the point where you just do something. How are you feeling?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, fine. Okay. Just live.

SPEAKER_01:

You don't want to be labelled an exercise person, do you? Like we keep saying about, oh, I I am now an exercise person. I'm now someone who exercises. You just want to adopt a new identity and start building one through through different behaviours, different habits.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, why can't you be instead of saying I am a healthy person, why can't you say I am trying to be a healthy person?

SPEAKER_01:

No, no, that's you don't want that here. No, we're not trying, we're just doing.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

We're just doing.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Well, because if you say I'm trying, it's very you've got your jail, you've got your get out of jail.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, I am trying, because if you again back into Audi, here's Steve.

SPEAKER_03:

It's trying and then taking the actual responsibility for actually trying.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, but you just are.

unknown:

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

And don't and don't tell anyone about it. You just are. So people aren't always asking you, oh, how's the how's the latest diet going? Oh, uh, I heard that you're uh back doing the spin classes. And we get to that, maybe not in this episode, but we'll get to that. We get to people. Everyone hates everyone.

SPEAKER_02:

Yes. We get to the end, we get to the envy, we get to the oh, oh, I heard you I heard you were doing your diet again. Oh, oh, you started to exercise. You got you gone back to the running club of you. Oh. Oh, hope I hope it's different this time. How long will it last?

SPEAKER_03:

She seemed like that.

SPEAKER_01:

You don't want to talk about it, do you? Like you don't want to talk about it I know some people like the idea of telling people and announcing it to the world. I'm doing this because it gives them some responsibility, doesn't it? It holds them accountable. You tell everyone around you, you tell the world, you make a social media account and go, right, this is me, day one of my journey. I can appreciate that can be quite useful. Because people will then say, You got this.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, well, it's it's looking for other people's acceptance, isn't it? You've got this, you can do this.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, keep going, keep pushing. Yeah, don't give up. Right. That can be quite motivating.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

But sometimes I'm sure people just want to be left alone.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And just do it. And then and then and then six months later, or a year later, someone just goes, Oh, buddy, what do you have, Steve?

SPEAKER_03:

You look Well, sure, that's better.

SPEAKER_01:

You look alright. You're like, you know, what's been happening? Oh, I just started going to push well. Oh, I just started to be a bit more conscious of all the things I shoved in my girl. Oh right. Oh, okay. Did you not want to tell everyone about that? No. No, it's just what I do. Just who I am. Now and then you can sit back and just watch that flicker in their eye. The envy.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes. And that's that'd be m that'd be so much more satisfactory.

SPEAKER_01:

Looking like you. Going like, oh, oh.

SPEAKER_03:

What do you mean looking like you?

SPEAKER_01:

Looking, you know, queasy.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh-huh.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, oh, oh, oh, Steve, I'm I I'm so happy for you. God, you're right there. You're right there, Nigel.

SPEAKER_03:

Shut up. What's these names? Nigel's.

SPEAKER_01:

I I'm protecting people. I'm just I'm using examples. Well, I'm using examples from over the years.

SPEAKER_02:

God, these names. Are you okay? You look a bit queasy. I'm fine. Yeah, I'm just really really happy if you let you've changed your identity. So so push for health, where's this? Who is this?

SPEAKER_01:

Don't worry about it. I'm going there tonight, actually. You carry on. How's your journey going?

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, back at the running club.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I do need to join the gym again.

unknown:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

I'll leave you too.

SPEAKER_03:

See you in six months. Right. I like that example. Yeah, okay. I like the Nigel and Steve example.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's the envy Fiona. Oh, it's there. People don't like to admit it though, do they? They don't like to admit it. It's it's there. It's there for everyone. Women as well. I think women. Women in particular. This might be stereotyping, but it's there.

SPEAKER_03:

I think it's just there. I think it's just there for everybody, to be fair. I don't think it's men or women, but women are usually known to be a little bit more Oh a bit catty. Catty, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

So just have a look next time. I'm just talking, I'm talking to you. I'm talking to all women out there.

SPEAKER_02:

Just have a look. Just see if you can catch it. I've seen it. See if you can catch it. I've seen it. I've experienced it.

SPEAKER_01:

You announce something. Oh, I've got a new job promotion. Oh, I have I have joined Pushball Health. Yeah, I just didn't make a big song and dance about it, just bit by bit. Trying to make long-term changes. Yeah, I have lost two stone. Yeah. Yeah. It's coming along. Even if you're not making a big song and dancer, even if you're not running into the office and telling everyone, oh my God, look at me. I haven't worn this dress in 10 years. Everyone. Even if you're not doing that, if you're doing that, then yeah, oh my God, envy all over the place. You're in big trouble.

SPEAKER_03:

You're the hated person in the office, then.

SPEAKER_01:

It's worse, actually. I reckon maybe in some cases it's worse if you if you're just quiet about it. And then someone spots it.

SPEAKER_03:

But it depends on the person who's spotting it, isn't it? It depends on who's willing to say it. Because a lot of people will be just like, oh, I wonder if she's okay. She is.

SPEAKER_01:

People won't say it.

SPEAKER_03:

That's what people say. That's the point.

SPEAKER_01:

People won't say it. They will just make a remark. Or they will just start when you go meet a friend after a while. How's things? And if life for them is not great, in particular, that's the problems. If their life is, if they're still if they're stuck in the region B to paradox, if they're there, and life just oh God, this is tough. Oh, I'm just not having a good time of it. You come in, either, yeah, look at me, or just, yeah, I've done this, I've lost this amount of weight. Yeah, I'm feeling pretty good. Oh yeah. Oh God, I'm so happy for you. I'm so happy for you, honestly. Or you might get some people who go, Oh, have you? Oh. Oh, well, you know, I hope you keep it off this time. Yeah. Do you think you'll stick do you think you'll stick to it this time?

SPEAKER_03:

Good for you.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, right. Yeah, I just I just enjoy my weekends too much.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

You know, I just I just I just love it. Yeah, I I'm just not giving up all the foods I love. You know, there's more to life, isn't there, babe? There's more to life. Yeah, I didn't really actually. No, I just I just changed my identity bit by bit.

SPEAKER_03:

I just made a glass of wine with this lunch and my big dinner.

SPEAKER_01:

Because I can.

SPEAKER_03:

Because I can and I will.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. I just made small changes, yeah. Over time. I just didn't fancy another six-week shred. Didn't fancy it. How did your latest one go? We could be here all day, Fiona, role-playing.

SPEAKER_03:

Seeing the same situation over and over again.

SPEAKER_01:

No, it's not Fiona, it's different examples.

SPEAKER_03:

It's a different example, yes.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's different examples. I know you're queasing. Nigel and Steven was the prime example, I think.

SPEAKER_03:

We're not getting anything better than Nigel and Steven. I'm sorry.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Barbara and Dowerty.

SPEAKER_01:

There were some clips there where we were talking over each other. You know, when I when I'm when I'm in full flow, Fiona, you have to just let me go.

SPEAKER_03:

I do.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

You have to let me go though sometimes as well. Even if I'm talking crap. Right, what's the third one? I can't say that word.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay, this is the last one then, Fiona.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, excellent. Good.

SPEAKER_01:

Part two.

SPEAKER_03:

Number three next week. Ever a three.

SPEAKER_01:

Who?

SPEAKER_03:

Ever a three. Number three.

SPEAKER_01:

Was that Irish?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

This is English. You're in England.

SPEAKER_03:

Number three.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Please, why do you keep saying Because I don't know what the word is? Uh Which one? Availability heuristic.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh-huh. Yeah, that's nice.

SPEAKER_03:

Is it?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's fine.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh. Availability heuristic plus fading effect bias. So availability heuristic, we make decisions based on the memories that are easiest to recall. And fading effect bias is negative emotions fade faster than positive ones.

SPEAKER_01:

Do they? I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know. I don't think they do.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's an interesting one. We might have to just talk about this a little bit and then just pick it up in the next one. Because there's quite a lot here. I feel like I've got a lot to say on these ones. No, no, but well, we just went on a massive 15-minute tangent about Nigel and Steve.

SPEAKER_03:

So Oh Steve, I thought it was Steven.

SPEAKER_01:

Steve, Steven, Steve for sure.

SPEAKER_03:

That's fine. I like that.

SPEAKER_01:

This is serious.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay. So yeah, whatever you say, Ben. Um so yeah, I'm not sure about the negative emotions thing. Fade f fade faster than positive ones. I think positive fade faster. That's interesting. People focus on the negative more, don't they? And a negative feeling.

SPEAKER_01:

They can do. I suppose it can depend on how much time has be has gone since something bad happened. Since you had the the messy breakup. You either remember the good bits, if it helps, if if it ever comes up, or you bump into that person, you go, do you know what? Enough time's gone now. Oh yeah, we did we did do that holiday and we did go to Benedome and it was okay. Yeah, it wasn't all bad. Or you just forget about it and move on completely.

SPEAKER_04:

Sure about that.

SPEAKER_01:

When people die, I don't know, when people die, it's probably quite bleak to remember all the bad things. Yeah, but however much of a monster that person was, it's like, well, over time, you forget about time healers, not this up.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh god, okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Go after you, if you're no.

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, no, of course. No, sorry, no, no, no, God.

SPEAKER_01:

I mean if you haven't interrupt me, I'm assuming you've got you've got something really powerful to say.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I don't actually. I'm just spitballing.

SPEAKER_01:

Wow, that makes it more annoying.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm just spitballing.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Okay, good. Spitball maybe when I've finished talking.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, okay, but you never finish talking. Yeah, well.

SPEAKER_01:

A lot to say, hence why we have to start doing these more often. What are we talking about? What are we talking about? Yeah, so right. So you think that that's not the case?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Is this evidence-based?

SPEAKER_01:

I'm sure there's some research out of there. Yeah, it's it's it's quite a uh common thing that comes up quite a lot in literature and thinkers.

SPEAKER_03:

But then, so let's go back to exercise. So if we're doing a six-week shred, are we going to remember the six weeks where you're completely miserable or the feeling you had after your six-week shred where you felt great?

SPEAKER_00:

Well, yes.

SPEAKER_03:

When you think about going into a new diet, when you're thinking about going into a new diet and you've put all that weight back on.

SPEAKER_00:

Yes.

SPEAKER_03:

So I think I'd be focusing on how miserable it was in that six weeks to get to that point. More so than the dress size, because my dress size has now since gone up because I've put that weight back on.

SPEAKER_01:

Right. Well, here we go. Here's a line. You forget the suffering, but remember the win. So you repeat stupid decisions.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh. I was on to a winner there, wasn't I?

SPEAKER_01:

So maybe you can apply that across across the board. The the terrible relationship, the terrible marriage. I don't know, the win being children, maybe? Can I never understand? Maybe some people just naturally can just forget the negative bit quicker because they know they were negative and they're miserable. And they don't ruminate too much. People just have a have the ability to not ruminate as much on things. And they just say, Well, what's the point? It was terrible. That was really, really miserable. So why am I going to spend too much time thinking about it? Then we just put that in the bin and just try and block it out and just move on from it.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, yeah, but then if you're in a very, very restricted diet for six weeks where you are completely miserable for six weeks, and then you go back in to do that same diet, you're gonna remember the negative. How shit you have.

SPEAKER_01:

How much time's gone though?

SPEAKER_03:

Well, yeah, that's the time.

SPEAKER_01:

People might only be dieting or trying to diet twice a year, maybe. If if that once every ten years.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, yeah, they won't remember that. They'll remember that they'll lost a weight. Yeah. Okay. I'm seeing it as a big thing.

SPEAKER_01:

People that go, people that do a photo shoot, put the fake tan on, put the pants on.

SPEAKER_03:

The baby on.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh my god, look at me. Get that on the mantelpiece. Look at this. Look at this. I starved myself for 12 weeks. Oh my god. Wow. I did all these poses.

SPEAKER_03:

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_01:

Just like your 2026, that's coming out. We're getting there, Fiona. We're finishing off. But the yeah, the photo shoot. Oh wow. Every time I see behind the scenes of a photo shoot.

SPEAKER_03:

That was I think the best deal of my life.

SPEAKER_01:

They're in they're in their pants. They're in the pants. And they're in they're in like a you know, we were in the private pushwell studio, so not quite as good or or as glamorous. But people are are sitting on like motorbikes and they're they're holding.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, we should have got a prop, a motorbike prop.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but they're they're doing stuff like holding you know the ropes and and the pull-up position. It's like, wow, look at his look at his muscles.

SPEAKER_00:

My god, look at that, look at that definition. I've just Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_03:

Did you like one fit, Dan?

SPEAKER_01:

No, not particularly. No, it's not. Yeah, it wasn't great. But then that was that was on a budget. You do it properly, you spend lots of money and you go to a studio and you sit on the motorbike, room room, in in your pants.

SPEAKER_03:

But you weren't even in pants then. You were in a pair of speedos.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think some people do.

SPEAKER_03:

What do you call them?

SPEAKER_01:

Pants.

SPEAKER_03:

No, hot pants?

SPEAKER_01:

No, the Speedos.

SPEAKER_03:

They are the pink and budgie s butgy smugglers.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh yes, kind of, yes. Yeah. So I think uh yeah, I guess women wear I don't know. Not quite knickers, but they wear Tongues knee strings.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But they're bikinis.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, okay. I don't know if they're they're maybe they're a bit beefed up.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't know.

SPEAKER_01:

Bikinis, yeah. Maybe bikinis, yeah. And and blokes might wear like short shorts.

SPEAKER_03:

Speedles.

SPEAKER_01:

Sitting on the motorbike or holding the pull-up position. Tricep rope. That's a good one.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Well it's not it's not that. It's right.

SPEAKER_03:

It's tough. Anyways, how do we get on to talk about a photo shoot?

SPEAKER_01:

No, it's tough. It's tough. But I get it though. It does make sense for a lot of people. Changing their identity. It's all part of it, isn't it? Yes. At the end of that 12 weeks, you've starved yourself. Fake tan, pants, motorbike, room room, pull-up, tricep rope. Put it on the mantelpiece. That's your new identity now.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. We don't have any photos of you on the mantelpiece, unfortunately. Not yet. Not yet. I'm gonna get a big blowout one for another one.

SPEAKER_01:

Anyway, different topic. Different topic, but when we start to do these more often, we can just talk. We just have 15-minute tangents about Ven's photo shoots. Photo shoots. And just how for many, for many, just not too sure.

SPEAKER_03:

But it's common in 2026, apparently. My one is. My one is photoshopping.

SPEAKER_01:

My one's coming out.

SPEAKER_03:

Let's just say it's uh it's something else.

SPEAKER_01:

It's one for the ages.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Anyway, back to back to this. Maybe we'll just we'll just do a couple more minutes and Fiona, because I think we we should pick up on this because there's a lot to this, which is quite interesting. Yes, well what my energy is lacking a little bit as well, so okay.

SPEAKER_03:

So where were we actually? Just go for the examples.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, go for the examples and then we'll just we'll pick up.

SPEAKER_03:

So this is the examples of the availability heuristic and then the fading effect bias, isn't it?

SPEAKER_01:

Not quite sure why I put these two together.

SPEAKER_03:

They're kind of different, but remember so you remember losing the weight, but you forget the starving element of it. You remember the compliments, but you forget about the social isolation, not being able to go out, etc. You remember fishing the genes after how many years that they actually fish, but you forget about the binge.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh that's yeah, that's a big one.

SPEAKER_03:

So you romanticize about the routines that make you miserable. So you do not you kind of what do you say? You savvy them up a little bit to make them sound better.

SPEAKER_01:

Savvy savvy them up?

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. Is that the right word? Is that the right thing?

SPEAKER_01:

Savvy.

SPEAKER_03:

Probably not the right word. What's the word then?

SPEAKER_01:

Well, hey, we're live. We're live, you just you just come out of stuff. It's not perfect.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. What what's the word?

SPEAKER_01:

Butter them up, you that's the word. You talk something up.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, you talk it up.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay. Yeah, and then you forget. Romanticize. Well, yeah, I didn't like that word.

SPEAKER_03:

That was quite romanticising is like love and hearts and stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

No, I suppose. Yeah, that's that's probably what's a good word, too.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah, that's that's the that's that's the word, yeah. Sorry.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, stick to that one. Okay. Good word. What did I say? Savvy.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, savloi. Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay. Okay. Right. So positive feelings are fleeting. So the anticipation often feels better than the actual event.

SPEAKER_01:

Different topic entirely, but yes.

SPEAKER_03:

So it's again, Barbara and Dorothy walking in. Barbara has lost two stone. She's wearing a dress that hasn't fit her for a couple of years. She's saying, Oh, my friends are gonna say this, they're gonna say how great I look on all of days.

SPEAKER_00:

Oh, right, okay.

SPEAKER_03:

But then Doris just like, oh well, I hope it stays off.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, the envy, yeah, the envy. Oh yeah, but it's yeah, yeah, but the the idea of that is is thinking about or looking forward to going to Benedome.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah, well, and then when you get to Benedome, it's like uh Well when you get to Den uh when you get to Benedome, all you do is eat and drink, so you want to feel like crap anyway.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes, yes, but the anticipation that's why I always talk about you you must you must enjoy the process. You know, I was talking about that and I just I can't stand it because a lot of the process is really, really miserable.

SPEAKER_03:

I broke my nail.

SPEAKER_01:

The process uh this year of of some of MNU of building that website, really, really miserable. Oh, I heard really just just the pits, the absolute pits. Push poor health, the business. A lot of that is horrendous. This podcast, this is okay.

SPEAKER_03:

This part's fine, this part's fine.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, but it's what comes next.

SPEAKER_03:

See you in a few hours.

SPEAKER_01:

And you wouldn't know. You wouldn't know better. It's what comes next, it's what comes before. Putting the lights, the camera.

SPEAKER_03:

That's very hard.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's it's it's it's not ideal. It's not ideal.

SPEAKER_03:

But it has to be done.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and it has to be done even better, but we'll get to that in 2026. But it's what comes next.

SPEAKER_03:

Did you put this note on for me, Ben?

SPEAKER_01:

Wait, what was my point there? I lost my trial at all.

SPEAKER_03:

Uh anticipation of it feels better than the actual event.

unknown:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

No, that doesn't make sense.

SPEAKER_03:

You went off on a tangent.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, okay.

SPEAKER_03:

We lost it. We lost it.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we're getting that, aren't we? We're getting that point. We're we're we'll expand upon this on the next one.

SPEAKER_03:

So tragedy plus time equals maybe I'll try Keishaw again.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, right.

SPEAKER_03:

So there's a guy I was bang on about Keyo.

SPEAKER_01:

There's a guy called Adam Masteri. Oh, I should know his uh name.

SPEAKER_03:

It's not written now.

SPEAKER_01:

Masterani, Masteromi, Masterani. Sorry, Adam, I'll tag you. Poor. It's because the lights on the light, the light, the camera's on, you you forget basic stuff, don't you? Your your head goes, it's it's embarrassing. Experimental history. He does a like a blog type thing on something called Substack. Very good, very good. That's one of the things he says. Tragedy plus time equals comedy. So something that's something that's horrendously blake, someone dies, awful relationship, whatever. You just need a bit of time. And then eventually, maybe, you can start laughing about it. The negativity around that, the misery around that situation starts to fade. To the point where you can start actually laughing about it. Go, oh god, do you remember? Remember how upset I was about that. Maybe, maybe not as much deaf, but I suppose with deaf, it's oh you start you start remembering all the good things. It doesn't it doesn't instantly make you feel awful remembering someone or something. Initially, I imagine every time it gets brought up or you think about that person, you just start to feel terrible straight away. Because it's whatever. The regret, the fact they're just dead. Yes. That changes somewhat maybe. I don't know.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, time heals, apparently.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. So I do get that, but I think in regards to what we were saying when it comes to diet and health, not sure. That that can be that can go wrong because that time of when you did the keto diet or you did some wacky diet and the I don't know, the tragedy of of doing it, which was quite bleak, and then the short-term results, oh my god, yeah, I got results, and then the time after where it was like, oh no, oh no, I've put it all back on again. Oh no, I feel terrible. Oh dear. Plus the time before you then try and do it again, the same thing, the same diet, or something similar, and you've forgotten how you felt. And someone says, Are you sure you want to do that again? Remember last time it was you didn't have a good time, it was pretty, pretty miserable. Everyone else around you is always quite miserable. That photo shoot, you know, I know broom broom on the on the motorbike, and you looked you looked sexy in your hot pants, but that 12-week period, bloody hell.

SPEAKER_02:

You're an anti-christ.

SPEAKER_01:

You're unbearable. And you've got you've got kids and you've got a life. Are you sure? Yeah. I don't think it was that bad. No, no, it was. It was it was terrible. Every day you you just said that you wanted to stop. Nah. Nah, I think it was alright. We'll try that again because I think that that could be said better.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

But you see what I'm trying to say?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, I do see what you're doing.

SPEAKER_01:

It works for other it works for certain things. Strategy plus time equals comedy. Adam, he's spot on there. But for maybe health and dieting and other things when it comes to your pushing exercise routine and your diet and your lifestyle and your habits and your behaviour. I don't know. Having the time to get over it, great, but that makes you forget how miserable it was in the first place. So you try and do it again. The same thing.

SPEAKER_03:

I think um dipping now. You're at your end, yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. We've got to, I don't know, invest in some curtains, maybe?

SPEAKER_03:

No, no, it's not good.

SPEAKER_01:

No, I think we need to invest in some curtains. Yeah, yeah, because we've got light, we've just got light everywhere.

SPEAKER_03:

We've got curtains, Ben.

SPEAKER_01:

I know, but the the blinds. Yeah, but the the sun is streaming through. And we've got this as well, don't forget that. That's bringing light. Just lots to do, lots to lots to think about in 2026.

SPEAKER_03:

Shall we go as far as the dieting loop and then end?

SPEAKER_01:

That could be the the last line, yeah. That's fine. Yeah. We'll just pick up on the on the next one.

SPEAKER_03:

So Ben has written here that people rewrite their dieting past like a eulogy. All the good bits, but none of the pain. I think that kind of sums up what you just said. Yeah. Uh live a life for you that that's the same line, Fiona.

SPEAKER_01:

That's fine. That leave it there. Leave it there.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

That's fine. That's fine. Yeah. We'll we'll get to that on the next one.

SPEAKER_03:

Go and edit.

SPEAKER_01:

Hmm.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

We'll cut that bit out, Fiona. You just listen.

SPEAKER_03:

No.

SPEAKER_01:

I'm just thinking about you because you're very, very poorly.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Final line. The dieting loop. Fail, pain fades. Remember the win. Repeat. Fail harder. It's not a case you'll fail even worse than the. Yeah, but it's not a case where you might fail harder. It's just a case of just reliving awful memories.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

But maybe you will fail harder because you've failed again at the same thing.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, yeah. Well, it won't last as long, will it? If you're doing a diet.

SPEAKER_01:

You've got to talk into that mic immediately.

SPEAKER_03:

If you're doing a diet.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, how are they getting on?

SPEAKER_03:

Hoops.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, I don't remember what you're saying.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, hang on, the light's gone. That's so much better. You see the difference?

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, the sun's gone then.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Do you see the difference? We've got to get the sun blocked out, Fiona. You're in charge of all this for Christ's sake.

SPEAKER_03:

It's back.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh God. We've got the blind. I don't ask you to do anything else.

SPEAKER_03:

Phoenicians. It's grand.

SPEAKER_01:

Finish you off then. Finish you off, because this is a six parter. Part one of six six.

SPEAKER_03:

It's not six, it's going to be two, but.

SPEAKER_01:

It will be whatever I want it to be.

SPEAKER_03:

Right. What I'm saying.

SPEAKER_01:

That's it.

SPEAKER_03:

Oh, that's it. Okay, thank you. Bye. See you soon.

SPEAKER_01:

How'd you find those Fiona?

SPEAKER_03:

Much better.

SPEAKER_01:

A little bit rough around the edges, but that's fine. If you do these more often, doesn't matter. You can have a rough one, can't you? You can have an episode where you go, I didn't quite put that point across. I'd like to have said that better. Oh, it's okay. We're going to do another one in two days. Not, oh, we're going to do another one in a month. That's the issue. We're podcasters.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, we'll see you next week, won't we?

SPEAKER_01:

We're podcasters. We've got to start taking this stuff seriously, Fiona.

SPEAKER_03:

Yes, darling.

SPEAKER_01:

Do you agree?

SPEAKER_03:

No. Yes.

SPEAKER_01:

And in 2026, there might be more time available for everyone. If you catch my drift.

SPEAKER_03:

I don't.

SPEAKER_01:

Oh, you will. I don't.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm even my job then to do podcasts for you.

SPEAKER_01:

You know what I'm talking about.

SPEAKER_03:

Do I? Yeah. All right.

SPEAKER_01:

You do.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Whatever you say, darling.

SPEAKER_01:

More time.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

More time.

SPEAKER_03:

Yeah. We'll see about that. I think there'll be less time.

SPEAKER_01:

Poor health. Push your health from the pools of life. There will be an outro as well. When I get in touch with a sad Canadian man. He's bald as well, by the way. I am I'm going. I'm getting there.

SPEAKER_03:

Let me see your rap-a-patch.

SPEAKER_01:

I will get in touch with a Canadian man who is fully bald and sad and lonely. To do an outro as well as the intro.

SPEAKER_03:

Yep, we'll be still talking about this this time next time.

SPEAKER_01:

I will. I will. Alright. Okay, goodbye and goodbye. Pushball health. Join the app. 2026. A lot happening in 2026. I'm making a lot of promises. But the app, it exists. It's going to become the thing.

SPEAKER_03:

Excellent.

SPEAKER_01:

The thing.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, Shlonlath, Augus Goram Mahagut.

SPEAKER_01:

Anything else to say, Fiona?

SPEAKER_03:

I just say goodbye.

SPEAKER_01:

What about the socials? People do say this.

SPEAKER_03:

Facebook, the Instagram. Are you on the TikTok?

SPEAKER_01:

You always say that. Yes. I never go on it. Never go on it. But I'm on that.

SPEAKER_03:

You're not on it then, if you're never on it. Well, the kids.

SPEAKER_01:

The the Irish kids, they like my videos, I think.

SPEAKER_03:

Do they?

SPEAKER_01:

I don't know. Never go on it.

SPEAKER_03:

Well, the TikTok, the ins all the social stuff.

unknown:

YouTube.

SPEAKER_01:

YouTube. Just subscribe on YouTube. It makes me feel good. More than anything else, YouTube. I feel like YouTube subscribers are really hard to come by. When I go viral in the future.

SPEAKER_03:

Because nobody uses YouTube or Duda.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, I think a lot of people use YouTube. Yeah. Yeah, it's quite popular.

SPEAKER_03:

I'm not down with the kids up there.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's pretty popular, Fair enough.

SPEAKER_03:

Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, it's just hard. It's like a subscriber on YouTube is worth 10 followers on Instagram. It's it's just every time I get a subscriber, I'm like, yes. I feel like I worked really hard for that. So if you can, even if you just don't use YouTube, you've got an account, maybe just subscribe. Makes me feel pretty good. I want to just keep building those numbers up before I then go viral. Because you go viral and then you get 25,000 subscribers, and you're like, oh okay, but I just did a video talking about rubbish. Or did some video with props and my my chef's hat and just you know whatever gets you viral, waving pounds of fat around.

SPEAKER_03:

You've got a pound of fat.

SPEAKER_01:

I do. Yeah. Yeah. Unfortunately I'm gonna have to start waving it around again.

SPEAKER_03:

Anyhow, I'm switching off.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Goodbye.

SPEAKER_01:

Cheers. Thanks. Any final thoughts?

SPEAKER_03:

Pushing your health and pulls of life.

SPEAKER_01:

Was that a good episode?

SPEAKER_03:

Push pole out.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes or no.

SPEAKER_03:

Maybe.

SPEAKER_01:

Okay.

SPEAKER_03:

Go edit.

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Ben Davis

Host
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