Navigating an AI-Driven World with Our Natural Operating System: Intuition A Conversation with Katharine Giovani. (Epi. #270)

In this episode of the Omni Mindfulness Podcast, Shilpa Lewis speaks with intuitive advisor and author Katharine Giovanni about the role intuition plays in navigating an increasingly complex digital world.

As artificial intelligence continues to expand what machines can do, our human ability to sense, reflect, and trust our inner guidance may become more valuable than ever.

Together, they explore how intuition functions as a kind of natural operating system — helping us make aligned decisions, clear emotional blocks, and stay grounded as technology evolves.

Rather than competing with technology, the conversation invites us to consider how reconnecting with our inner awareness may help us navigate the future with greater clarity and authenticity.

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Katharine Giovanni
International speaker, intuitive advisor, and author who teaches practical approaches to intuition, forgiveness, and energy awareness in leadership and everyday life.

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epi 270 katharine

[00:00:00] Shilpa: Welcome, Katharine. 

[00:00:05] Katharine: Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. 

[00:00:08] Shilpa: Well, I appreciate having you and you are a returning guest, so clearly we've had a great connection from the past. 

[00:00:15] Katharine: I am. I'm looking forward to it. 

[00:00:19] Shilpa: before I hit record, I was telling you that one of the last times we had a conversation, which was on the topic of forgiveness.

[00:00:26] Katharine: Mm-hmm. 

[00:00:27] Shilpa: We had touched on intuition, and I recall the connection going from yes, energy to intuition, and there's a through line there. Um, and you were saying something just before I hit record. I'm like, I wish I could capture that. Maybe you can remind the audience of how your niche focus and forgiveness also connects to intuition.

[00:00:57] Katharine: One of the things people don't understand [00:01:00] is everybody is intuitive. 10 outta 10 people on the planet are intuitive, and there's probably no kidding. 25 or 30 ways people hear their intuition. I only talk about five. You see it, feel it, hear it, or know it. That's. So everybody does it. You either hear words in your head or you hear the answers through music or I'm, they call that clear audience and you hear the answers in people's words, or maybe you hear words in your mind like I do.

[00:01:31] Katharine: You're also, there's people who see, they're clairvoyant. Doesn't mean there's a ghost that's gonna walk in and say, hi, how are you? It, you might, but I doubt it. But what it means is you see the answer, you see it in the written word. You see, you pay attention to the world around you. A lot of people in law enforcement that they see the answers.

[00:01:52] Katharine: Then you've got the people who just, they just know it. One minute they don't. And the next minute [00:02:00] they just, they just know the answer. And then you've got the people who feel their way, they walk into a room and it just feels off. Those are the feeling people. Those are the empaths. And the thing about your intuition is it's like a muscle.

[00:02:16] Katharine: The more you use it, the better you'll get at it. But if you're angry and you are holding onto this toxic anger about your family, family's really mess you up, don't they? But you maybe your childhood or your family or your parents or whatever, that's gonna act like a lead shield and it's gonna prevent you from tapping into your.

[00:02:36] Katharine: Natural way of using intuition, which is why I focus on forgiveness 'cause the more you lighten up your energy field, because our world is just energy and love. That's it. The more you lighten up that field, the more you will hear that intuition and you'll be able to actually get, get real live answers 

[00:02:56] Shilpa: when you talk about lightning.

[00:02:59] Shilpa: That [00:03:00] energy reminds me of something I've been reading a lot about. I've mentioned to you before I hit record, is that even now, metaphysics is speaking to this notion that we can tune in more by lowering our entropy. And another way of thinking of that as, uh, just when you meditate, you're lowering your entropy.

[00:03:23] Katharine: The thing about this is we are energy. Everything is energy. Even this little silver microphone that I am actually speaking into right now has an energy field around it. So when you get angry, I'm the only one at the planet that thinks like this. And I said this in your other show, when you get angry, you think the words leave your mouth dissipate into the ether in the universe.

[00:03:45] Katharine: They do not, they hang around the energy field that's naturally around your body. When you meditate, sometimes you can move that dark energy out. To other places. You can lighten your energy [00:04:00] field through forgiveness, through my forgiveness system, if you will. You can lighten that energy field around your body and really what it means is instead of walking around in a dark little cloud and you can't see anything through a dark cloud, 'cause you're so inner focused, you're gonna lighten the energy around you.

[00:04:16] Katharine: Which means now you're gonna be able to see opportunities, money making opportunities, way to lose weight, way to get better health by dream relationship. The only reason you didn't see it before is 'cause you were so focused on your anger, you couldn't see it, and your anger was all around your body. So by forgiving people, your lighting, your energy, which will allow you to tap into your intuition.

[00:04:39] Katharine: Which will finally allow you to be your authentic self and actually get answers from the other side. When I was a kid, um, I was raised Christian and I used to sit in church. Episcopalians are bad singers and you're supposed to sit, they're all quiet and pious and you know, it's all very, very serious kind of stuff.

[00:04:58] Katharine: And I used to think to [00:05:00] myself, if God is really there, how hard would it be for him to have a little, tiny little conversation with me? And I used to think that as a little girl. The adults got really mad at me when I used to think that. 'cause I'm very intuitive and I've been that way since I was a kid.

[00:05:15] Katharine: And in my head I kept feeling, well, there's no reason why you can't have a conversation. 'cause I'd hear words. And this is a conversations you can have through exercises. You can talk to the other side. You can get the answers to your questions. Now, I'm not a magic eight ball. I will not tell the future.

[00:05:32] Katharine: But you can get, you can get answers to your life right now. That will Absolutely. Should I take the job? Yes or no? Be nice to have an answer to that question. Right. Use your intuition. You'll know the truth. 

[00:05:48] Shilpa: And you also mentioned that these weren't your words, but that there's like, there's this orchestra of information that we're being fed mm-hmm.

[00:05:57] Shilpa: In different ways, whether it's. [00:06:00] Tactile or auditory. Mm-hmm. And it's for us to tune into that frequency, to hear it, and often then do something about it. And one of the things you mentioned was the anger and Yeah, I, sort of see it as a, pattern that you need to change in order to then effectively. Do the right thing with that information.

[00:06:30] Shilpa: That's probably coming through AKA known as responding versus reacting. 'cause often when we're in that reactive mode, it's fight or flight. 

[00:06:39] Katharine: That's right. You know, the thing about intuition is what I really want people to do is pay attention. Ask a question, should I take the job? Yes or no? Now, pay attention.

[00:06:51] Katharine: Pay attention to the world. If you're, if you're a shut in and you're very sedentary, go take a walk, even if it's right around the block. Pay attention to the birds. You [00:07:00] see. Pay attention to how you feel when you, when, when you hear, should I take the job? Yes or no? Do you feel a pit in your stomach or are you feeling really happy about it?

[00:07:10] Katharine: Those are the impasse. How do you feel? Are you feeling good? Are you feeling bad? Are you hearing a yes or no? Or are you seeing things? Are you just seeing happy people or negative people? Pay attention to the world around you because everybody sees, hears, feels, or just no. Those are the five web, those are the four ways, and there's empaths, and then there're the clear feeling people.

[00:07:30] Katharine: So there's really five. You can Google it, but pay attention and you don't need to go to the gurus and the people who say, yes, I will. I will tell you all you can do it yourself. You just have to start paying attention. 

[00:07:45] Shilpa: I just completed a series that I felt like was intuitively the right first step, which is trust.

[00:07:52] Shilpa: There 

[00:07:52] Katharine: you go. 

[00:07:53] Shilpa: Yeah, and I feel like one of the things that I have worked through and still working through, but thank goodness I'm finally [00:08:00] realizing it, is that I need to learn to trust myself. 

[00:08:04] Katharine: That's very hard to do trust, 'cause I'm telling you to have trust in something you can't see. Let me tell you a quick story.

[00:08:12] Katharine: I have so many stories, but this is a kind of a fun one years ago when my sons, they're in their thirties now, but they were kids like 10, 12, something like that. And we were in Maine and we were about, we, we were climbing a mountain. 'cause that's what you do when you go to Maine, right? So I stayed by the tree line and my sons and my two brothers were kind of like mountain goats.

[00:08:31] Katharine: And they went and I'm terribly scared of heights, like really scared of them. And they went out onto. The mountaintop, but from where I was standing, it was like an infinity pool and I couldn't see, all I saw was my sons just dropping away and I was too scared to leave the tree line and I was started to scream like an idiot.

[00:08:53] Katharine: My brothers thought I'd lost my mind, but I was really scared of wind was gonna drop them or maybe they dropped off the face of the matter, I [00:09:00] couldn't see. So my younger brother put out his hand and he said, you have to have faith. Take my hand because it, there's, there's flat rock out here. You just can't see it.

[00:09:10] Katharine: And sure enough, I went like two or three steps and I could see all the flat rocks. My kids thought I was done. Everybody thought I'd lost my mind. But that's the thing about intuition. There are flat rocks. You're all standing by the tree line, and you have to take those first. Few steps and trust yourself that the other side has got you and they're flat rocks and you're gonna be fine.

[00:09:32] Katharine: But having faith in something you can't see, it's really hard. 

[00:09:38] Shilpa: It is really hard, and sometimes you are on the right path. I know, um, and I mentioned to you that I've written a lot this year about a variety of topics, but some of it is a reflection of my life from like 20, 25 years ago, decisions I made in the past and often kicking myself like, well, why did I, because [00:10:00] I was telling you I studied ai, like why did I study ai?

[00:10:03] Shilpa: I was told it was a dead end, and there I spent four years of my college where I could have been doing something different. 

[00:10:11] Katharine: You might wanna forgive yourself for that? 

[00:10:13] Shilpa: Well, I did when I realized that now I'm at the, I've got the pulse of, uh, the bleeding edge technology and I get it. And I'm not afraid of it.

[00:10:22] Katharine: Yeah. 

[00:10:23] Shilpa: And so that sort of brings me to my other subject is fear and talking about, you know, the elephant in the room, fear in the age of digital noise. Mm-hmm. And where do you see the role of intuition in all of this? 

[00:10:37] Katharine: I think your intuition, it's, it's not something you can turn on and off. You always have it.

[00:10:43] Katharine: You walk into a room and it feels off. You go to a website. I've gone to websites and it just feels wrong to me. I, I'm, I, I am, I, I am Claire Ian, but I'm actually also Clairvoyant. Claire Extens. Claire Cognizant, and I do all of them now, but I've been doing this for [00:11:00] over 20 years. You can, it's, it's like playing golf.

[00:11:03] Katharine: We can all learn how to play golf. You might not be Tiger Woods. Even though we just got into trouble, you may not all be Tiger Woods, but everybody can learn how to play the game. So even though I'm clear, Ian, I've learned the other mythologies too. And when it comes to fear, and it comes to the internet, trust yourself.

[00:11:22] Katharine: I've gone on websites and I could stay on that website, maybe 10 seconds and it feels off. Or you're on Zoom with somebody, you're interviewing them for a job maybe, and all of a sudden it feels wrong. Trust yourself or the, you know, or you're, you're Googling something and the answer that you get back from the AI just doesn't feel right to you, but it's an ai.

[00:11:46] Katharine: I should be trusting this, that you're, they're sending me to a website and they're sending, it may not be right for you. It may or may not. So trust yourself when you go to a website, when you meet somebody on Zoom, when you're on social [00:12:00] media. Trust yourself. What's your gut telling you? What? What are you feeling right now?

[00:12:04] Katharine: Are you feeling happy or sad? It could be a scam. Trust your gut. That's the biggest message I can tell people. Trust yourself because it's that still small voice that you hear first, and then your brain takes over and calls you an idiot, and then your brain's like, no, no, that's not right. No, it's that first knee jerk, very quiet little voice before your brain kicks in and starts poking holes in it.

[00:12:28] Shilpa: Yes, there are two ends of that, spectrum. I think on one side it's that intuitive hit, but could be perceived as impulse, which I have dealt with. Mm-hmm. And some of it is impulse, but learning to distinguish those two is an art that I'm developing. But then on the other end is that fight or flight, the fear, the elephant in the room, take no action and right and view.

[00:12:55] Shilpa: Things from a state of fear or anger. [00:13:00] 

[00:13:00] Katharine: Here's an exercise that everybody can do today. Right now it's called guided writing. And even if you've tried guided writing and said, oh, Catherine, I've tried that. It didn't work. Stay with me. Get a pad of paper and a pen. Or your computer, I actually don't care and I want you alone.

[00:13:18] Katharine: So all the little humans, I kind of want 'em out of the room. The dog can be in there if the dog can behave itself, right? So I want you to alone. I want you paying attention. Now, I want you to write a question. Something that you really wanna know, and it could be a yes or no question, right? I I want you to don't say, why is the sky blue, because that's not an answer.

[00:13:40] Katharine: You're gonna really understand. Write something. Should I turn left or right at the next stoplight or whatever you wanna know. How do I lose weight? I don't care. Whatever it is. Then I want you to wait for the answer. Don't think it, don't spend too much time. Your knee jerk reaction, whatever it is. Do you see a color?

[00:13:56] Katharine: What color is it? Write it down. Did you feel something? Did you all of a [00:14:00] sudden get cold? Write down, I got cold. Did you hear a yes or no? In your head? Write down what you heard. Write down the exact words. Did you see something in your mind? Did you see? Did you see Alaska and some ice, or did you see, you know, butterflies?

[00:14:15] Katharine: What are you seeing in your head? Write it down. What did you see? What did you feel? How you know? Think about it and write it down. Then ask another question, and before you know it, you're gonna be having a two-way conversation with, it. Doesn't matter, probably your higher self. It could be the angels, it could be spirit guides.

[00:14:34] Katharine: It doesn't matter who you're talking to, you're having a conversation with your higher self. So what? Write that question and then whatever you see, you see something, you feel something, all of a sudden you're cold. Write down. You're cold. Okay. Well, if it's a yes or no question, the fact that I'm sitting here cold is probably a no.

[00:14:53] Katharine: See what I'm doing or if I see colors. All right, well, I'm seeing a lot of black in my head. Okay. That's a, that's a no, that's a big [00:15:00] no. You might wanna run the other way or are you feeling warm and fuzzy? Are you seeing colors? Are you, you know, this is the kind of thing, it's not always words you're gonna get back.

[00:15:08] Katharine: It depends upon how your intuition works. You might even smell something. Not kidding. There are clear spelling people and they, they, they actually smell flowers or they'll smell something else. Is it, there's a, some people hear their intuition through touch. You can google this. It's actually very fascinating.

[00:15:26] Katharine: There's a good 25, 30 ways people tap into their intuition. 

[00:15:31] Shilpa: That is lovely to know that we are in an age where it's becoming more, I accessible this at least, how do I know? It's not like something still woo or equivalent to. I dunno terms that were used in the past, like psychic, but it's, it's, 

[00:15:49] Katharine: people say psychic, they say Woo.

[00:15:51] Katharine: They'll say, oh, that's a woo woo kind of thing. And my answer to that, it's no, it's not a kind of woo woo thing. It's a, this is who I am kind of thing. Everybody [00:16:00] on the planet is intuitive and if somebody tries to tell, says the opposite, well they're wrong. That's how our bodies are built, our operating system to use a complete, to use a computer term.

[00:16:12] Katharine: That's our operating system. It's built on love and intuition. That's how we're built. That's how we're created. And it's a question of figuring out what your style is. 'cause everybody's style is different. I actually hear words in my head and I see things, but not everybody can do that. So everybody has a different style.

[00:16:30] Katharine: It's a question of learning how you interpret the signs that you're getting. 

[00:16:37] Shilpa: Catherine, we talked about something that we both have a passion for, clearly, which is writing. Mm-hmm. I have not written any books yet. 

[00:16:47] Katharine: You'll, 

[00:16:48] Shilpa: but I love talking to writers and one of the things that we discussed before I hit record was, the use of large language model [00:17:00] technologies like chat, GPT 

[00:17:02] Katharine: mm-hmm.

[00:17:02] Shilpa: To help you. In different ways there. I, know there's so many ways people can utilize it, yet over and over, I've faced and you, you know, because I've shared this horror stories, that there's a huge negative backlash. 

[00:17:20] Katharine: Yep. 

[00:17:21] Shilpa: Technology of specific type called large language models. And the funny part is most people don't know that.

[00:17:28] Shilpa: That's a different kind of ai. There's different variety of ais that they've already encountered. It's not the only one. So your thoughts maybe more in from the perspective of, you know, hey, I can become a better professional solopreneur 'cause that's what I do. I'm a entrepreneur and free up my space and time to give my energy to my zone of genius.

[00:17:57] Shilpa: By using [00:18:00] ai, 

[00:18:01] Katharine: I think AI is actually very helpful, but I'm probably 250,000 years older than you. And I remember when I was a kid, there were no computers, but we had television, and television was gonna rot all our brains. Everybody was scared of it. That's how old I am. And then computers started to come on the scene.

[00:18:22] Katharine: They were big, huge things in those days, but the technology was really new and everybody thought they were gonna take everything over and it was gonna ruin society. And then computers got better and better and people were still say, they were still scared to death of it. And no, I'm not using that stuff.

[00:18:37] Katharine: I'm scared it's gonna take everything over. It's gonna ruin our lives. Case 2026, we're still here. TV didn't rot my brain and computers didn't ruin everything. We're still here. So AI is a brand new technology and people, their knee jerk reaction is to be scared of what they don't understand. So they're absolutely scared.

[00:18:58] Katharine: Arnold Schwarzenegger [00:19:00] movie, the Terminator is not helping. Neither are the eye robot movies not helpful. But if you use it wisely and you're not using it to write your term paper in college, which is absolutely wrong, but if you use it wisely as an. Accessory as, as an extension, as an assistant. And I think it's very, very helpful.

[00:19:22] Shilpa: And you mentioned the word wisely, and that immediately, triggered a light bulb in my head because part of the through line of this topic I wanted to discuss with you is consciousness. 

[00:19:35] Katharine: Right? 

[00:19:35] Shilpa: And cultivating, or going deeper into tuning ourselves to our higher consciousness also means understanding what is.

[00:19:45] Shilpa: True for us, what is right for us? And that information comes from intuition. So there is a connection there between understanding which technologies to use and is it helping [00:20:00] me and making sure that I am doing my part conscious conscientiously making decisions like you don't want to use it for a term paper, but you might wanna use it to say, Offload things that are more repetitive tasks that your time is better spent doing something different. 

[00:20:22] Katharine: I see no reason why not, because when computers first came on the scene, it the, the computers took those repetitive tasks. You didn't have to do all that data entry anymore. You, I mean, once the data was in the computer, then it generated all sorts of reports.

[00:20:36] Katharine: This was new back when I was a kid. I mean, look at this one button and I could get all this information. So it, the, these things do take the repetitive text, but, you know, use your intuition and I mean this from the bottom of my heart. You know, if you're sitting there and something feels off, and it could even be the one AI feels better than the other one.

[00:20:57] Katharine: Trust your gut. If you're sitting [00:21:00] there and it just, you're seeing something in your head and you don't understand it, maybe you're seeing a mountain explode. Okay, sit back. Why are you seeing mountains explode in your head? You're not crazy. Because if you're crazy, I'm crazy, you're not crazy. Why are you seeing this in your head?

[00:21:17] Katharine: Or all of a sudden you just know something. Okay, follow. Follow that rabbit hole. Pay attention. It's the biggest message I have. If you wanna tap into your intuition, pay attention and try the guided writing thing. If you're really new at intuition and you're a complete newbie, guided writing is one of the ways I teach people to get in touch.

[00:21:36] Katharine: To start off, to get into, in to, sorry. Get in touch with their intuition because it's a really good beginner way to start the party. 'cause it really is. 

[00:21:48] Shilpa: Yes, absolutely. You're basically saying follow the trail of information. Yeah. Information is really coming from your higher self. 

[00:21:57] Katharine: Let me tell you a story.

[00:21:59] Katharine: You know, I have [00:22:00] lots of stories. Years ago, I've been intuitive since I was a kid. I kept it to myself and I kept quiet about it for a good 40 years because I was shy and I wanted to fit in, and I was bullied in my grammar school and I didn't wanna be stuffed into a locker. So I didn't tell people I could hear things in my head.

[00:22:18] Katharine: And besides the witch. I was scared. They'd put me in the funny farm and give me meds. You know, if you hear voices, they're gonna give you meds. So I didn't tell anybody. I didn't say anything. So you fast forward and I had no idea what I was doing, what I was talking to. And then all of a sudden my kids were like one in three.

[00:22:33] Katharine: We moved to North Carolina and I turned my head and I saw an angel standing in my kitchen. There she was. And then she was gone. Just like that. And I didn't tell anybody for two weeks 'cause I thought I was crazy. I thought, I'm seeing things now. I must be tired. You know, my sons aren't sleeping through the night.

[00:22:52] Katharine: I'm exhausted. New mother, but I couldn't get it outta my head. So I thought, okay, well maybe, [00:23:00] maybe I'm a born again or something. I really didn't know. I was searching, I didn't know what I was, and I thought, well, maybe I should start thanking the universe for things. And every time I said thank you, I'd hear you're welcome.

[00:23:09] Katharine: In my head I'm thinking, okay. And it didn't sound like my own voice, like it had all my life. It sounded different. And I thought, okay, this is new. This, this is a different kind of voice. So I thought, okay, we didn't have computers back then, remember? And so I thought, well, somebody's written a book about it.

[00:23:28] Katharine: I know somebody's written a book. So I went to Barnes and Noble, this is a true story, and I'm walking through, happened to end up in the metaphysical section. 'cause of course I did. And all of a sudden a book flies off the shelf. Literally levitates right off the shelf lands at my feet, and because I'm a college educated girl, I thought, okay, books don't fly off the shelf.

[00:23:53] Katharine: So I wandered around to the other side of the bookshelf to see who was there. There was nobody there. The book literally flew off the shelf [00:24:00] at. And I looked down, it was the book Conversations with God by Neil Donald Walsh, who heard voices in his head and wrote it down. Phenomenal series. And then I thought, okay.

[00:24:11] Katharine: Well, now the universe is throwing books at me to get my attention, literally. And that was the beginning of me following my intuition. That happened about 20 years ago, and I've been listening ever since. So it's a question of following your intuition. Follow. So the universe doesn't throw books at you too.

[00:24:29] Katharine: Thank you very much. But fi do you see it, feel it, hear it, or know it? 

[00:24:35] Shilpa: And are there other techniques that you suggest, aside from the writing and just being aware, like being aware that mm-hmm these are the minimal five to pay attention to. Have you, found other ways in which it helps you to say, oh yeah, I think I'm seeing a clue here I need to follow up on.

[00:24:57] Katharine: Sure. Um, get out of whatever [00:25:00] you're doing. If you, it doesn't matter if you're in the city, in the country, I don't care where you are. Go outside unless there's 10 feet of snow. Go outside and before you go outside, I call this a vibe walk, VIBE walk. It's just what I use. That's just what I call it. And in your head you kind of know what you wanna ask.

[00:25:20] Katharine: You know you're having trouble with your career, your health, your relationship, you, you know, you kind of want answers. So before you go on your vibe walk, you've kind of got your question and you know what you want answers for. And then go on your walk. Pay attention. Pay attention. Excuse me. Pay attention to the birds.

[00:25:37] Katharine: You see? How many birds do you see? Write the number down. Numerology is a thing. People write down how you feel. Are you feeling warm? Are you feeling cold? Did you see somebody walking the other way and they smiled at you? Okay, that could be a sign. I'm not crazy. This could be a sign. Pay attention to what you're hearing.

[00:25:59] Katharine: As you're walking, [00:26:00] what you're seeing is you're walking how you feel. Take, you know, make sure you've got your phone and any thoughts that you have randomly come coming through your head. Write it on your phone. Stop and just write it right down. It's called a vibe walk. But I don't want you listening to music.

[00:26:16] Katharine: I literally want you to just go out with the intention of using your intuition and just be, 

[00:26:26] Shilpa: well, that's, I just thought of a story that I think it's related, so I'm just gonna go ahead and share. My husband loves to walk. He goes for a beach, walk along the Carlsbad boardwalk, and. Just after COVID one day he comes home and he sits down.

[00:26:42] Shilpa: He is just like, something interesting happened. And my walk, 

[00:26:46] Katharine: there you go. 

[00:26:48] Shilpa: And I go, what? And he's pretty intuitive, even though he is not into the whole boo labels. And I go, well, what happened? He is like a really, really old man. Beeline, straight to me, looked me right up. [00:27:00] 'cause he is a tall man. And he said, have you read Napoleon Hill?

[00:27:08] Shilpa: And my husband 

[00:27:08] Katharine: has a sign 

[00:27:09] Shilpa: and my husband's like, I, have no clue. Nap who Napoleon Hill is. And, I think he rattled off something and then just scurried on. 

[00:27:19] Katharine: He's an old writer and he is written a bunch of books and they're, they're really good. He is a really, really good writer. Napoleon Hill, I can't remember the main one he wrote.

[00:27:27] Katharine: It'll come to me in a minute. 

[00:27:28] Shilpa: It'll come to you in a minute. Well, I ended up googling it while my husband and I were talking and I go. Huh. So I read some stuff and I'm like, he, whatever key phrase it was, I, at the moment I'm forgetting it was the very concept I was seeking as I was writing a pap, a an article on my blog and like a light bulb went off.

[00:27:53] Shilpa: I'm like, what are the chances you meet someone and he has, you know, happened to tell [00:28:00] you to read this? Writing of this man and I end up using it for a blog. I'm trying to write. 

[00:28:07] Katharine: That's right. Is this the kind of thing I'm telling you, these, they're strange things. Lots of weird things have happened to me.

[00:28:13] Katharine: The, the, the voice in my head has saved my life three times. Not that Catherine is counting particularly, but you know, sometimes you hear these things on a walk, sometimes you'll hear it, you know? To prevent you from doing something really bad that might get you killed. You know, these are, these are the times we hear it, but you could hear it in your everyday work too.

[00:28:32] Katharine: And your husband was, he was paying attention. He was on a, what I would call a vibe walk. Dude came up to him. This is different. Said something to him. Okay, that's odd. Never heard of Napoleon Hill. That's a sign. That's a message a hundred percent. These are the types of things that happen. If you pay attention and everybody listening has had one of those weird things happen to them, I don't care what, who you are, everybody, either as a child, a teen, or an adult, you've had something strange happen to you or a member [00:29:00] of your family that you can't explain that really helps you in the time.

[00:29:03] Katharine: That, I mean, really helped you in the time. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about tapping into that energy and doing it every day and utilizing that energy. See, we're not meant to be in this planet without help. We're just not, we're meant to have the help. We're meant to tap into this energy.

[00:29:21] Katharine: It's who we are. It's how our bodies are wired. 

[00:29:24] Shilpa: Yeah. Greater awareness through paying attention. Meditation happens to be my way to, 

[00:29:29] Katharine: that's fine 

[00:29:31] Shilpa: because then the stillness comes. When the stillness comes, you start paying attention to information in a different way. and moments of synchronicity and serendipity become profound.

[00:29:44] Katharine: Now, um, just to play devil's advocate, 'cause I'm, I'm living in the south, but I am from New York City originally. Um, not everybody can meditate. Your girl is one of them because when I sit down and meditate, my, my monkey brain [00:30:00] goes into all sorts of different directions and I have gone through all sorts of classes.

[00:30:04] Katharine: So for those people who are listening and saying, well, that's all well and good for you, but I can't meditate, you can't sit still, you got a DD, you know, whatever it is. Go on a vibe walk. I get more messages when I'm walking because my body is moving. Sometimes I'm listening to music and that's when the messages come through, so I meditate when I'm walking.

[00:30:27] Katharine: You don't have to sit and meditate and be quiet if you don't want to. You could be like me, I meditate every day, but I meditate while I'm doing something. I meditate while I'm walking because it gives my brain something else to think about. And the, it's almost like my brain moves one step to the left so the information can come through.

[00:30:48] Katharine: So my brain is occupied with keeping my, you know, my, my feet, you know, without chipping, you know, you're walking, so you're concentrating on my body. So now my intuition, it gives, there's, there's room in my brain for the [00:31:00] intuition and the messages to come through. 

[00:31:03] Shilpa: Yes. And there's different, makes sense. Yes.

[00:31:05] Shilpa: There are different forms of what I call a mindful stillness. 

[00:31:10] Katharine: Exactly. 

[00:31:11] Shilpa: However, meditation has its very specific purpose and it does allow you to, tune into certain energy that is more, I think, higher self. But I totally agree with you that there are different ways to still continue being receptive in the daily life.

[00:31:29] Shilpa: Mm-hmm. And then learning to discern what kind of information am I. Hearing or seeing, which, 

[00:31:37] Katharine: yeah, 

[00:31:37] Shilpa: is an art form in of itself. I, think, 

[00:31:41] Katharine: or just turn off all your technology, and I do this too. I'll turn off all the technology. I'll go into the sunroom and I'll just sit there. Eyes closed, and if my brain, if my mind wanders, it wanders.

[00:31:53] Katharine: But I will sit and I'll purposely listen to the sounds outside and I'll just sit there. It could be, it could be 30 seconds, it could be two [00:32:00] minutes, it could be anything. And it's like my way of resetting my body, especially on days where I've, you know, things have blown up. I will often just go off by myself and I'll just take a minute just to, just to be.

[00:32:13] Katharine: Just to be, and that's also a form of meditation, so don't get all upset out there when you say, I can't meditate. Well, like intuition, there's 10 ways to meditate and they're all correct. 

[00:32:28] Shilpa: Now, bringing this full circle back to digital era and digital age and the different ways in which we can navigate.

[00:32:39] Shilpa: Our space as maybe an entrepreneur, and I think you and I consider ourselves entrepreneurs, what framework would you use for those who are thinking, well, this is technology. How do, what does that have to do with intuition? Or, that's ai [00:33:00] and I don't like ai. I'm afraid of it. What framework would you suggest?

[00:33:08] Katharine: So you think the universe can't get you a message through ai? Really? That's a very, that's a, that's a, that's an interesting stance to take. If God in the universe is God in the universe, why couldn't they get a message to us through ai? Why couldn't they plant that knowledge within that computer to get the message and hear the words exactly as that?

[00:33:31] Katharine: I need to hear them. Have faith in things you can't see. Now, I'm not saying worship AI and take everything he, it says as, as, as law because I, I use AI with a grain of salt sometimes. I agree with it quite honestly. Sometimes I don't. But sometimes it'll say just the right thing at just the right moment, and I'll look at it and go, okay, message received, I get it.

[00:33:57] Katharine: Or sometimes I'll be on Spotify [00:34:00] and I'll be writing and just the right song and a lyric comes through on a song and my ear will catch it, and that's the message. And I'll look at, I'll look over at my other, my computer and it's like, hmm, okay, I get it. Be open to these things. Don't be scared of it. Ai, you know, it's, I'm, I highly doubt we're moving into Terminator movies.

[00:34:21] Katharine: I really don't think we are. 

[00:34:23] Shilpa: And I, agree that you used discernment. I just created a graphic, which I'll send to you after our call, on the different ways in which different large language models can be utilized. Like something like complexity can be used for verifying cross checking, fact checking and research versus chat.

[00:34:41] Shilpa: GPTI kind of thing as my chatty friend, I even call her chatty, but you know, and you can, or Claude. Or Claude. Claude is 

[00:34:48] Katharine: good. 

[00:34:48] Shilpa: And Claude I use for writing. Yeah. And I genuinely believe my writing comes out much, more refined than it would've using some of the other technologies. But the other layer of what [00:35:00] you're saying, I think that it's good, to mention that large language models, ai, they're built on originally the original source of truth.

[00:35:11] Shilpa: Humans, how do we communicate Exactly. And so 

[00:35:14] Katharine: exactly 

[00:35:15] Shilpa: this technology. Has intelligently built in this concept of intent. If you were searching for something and then all of a sudden AI via Google or some other technology is suggesting something to you, it's because you've either mentioned it or talked about it in some form or fashion, and that built in intent is now saying, let me get more of that information.

[00:35:41] Shilpa: Now, spiritually speaking, I actually have a take on that. I sometimes think, that which you focus on, you attract 

[00:35:48] Katharine: true. 

[00:35:49] Shilpa: So if where your attention goes, energy flows. So if you're putting your attention on interesting story. I remember my husband and I got a new toilet three [00:36:00] years ago, and he was searching for toilets.

[00:36:02] Shilpa: I might have searched once or twice on Wayfair, but he was the guy who was gonna buy it and install it. I still get suggestions for toilets. 

[00:36:12] Katharine: You know, you wanna look at Amazon and Google and say, listen, I'm not a toilet seat connoisseur. I just wanted the one. I don't need 50 of them. Just the one, don't send me all these, you know, sales for toilets now because I just needed the one, 

[00:36:25] Shilpa: one and done.

[00:36:27] Shilpa: That's all I need 

[00:36:28] Katharine: now. It think you do, you collect the dumb things. 

[00:36:31] Shilpa: Mm-hmm. Yep. Now, well one thing though, I do agree with what you mentioned on the Spotify that. Perhaps, yes, there are algorithms that were, able to feed the informa, songs or music, but sometimes it is random. I remember, well, there's this one song that always shows up in my life and it's been going on since my twenties.

[00:36:52] Shilpa: It's, something called in the middle, 

[00:36:55] Katharine: right? 

[00:36:55] Shilpa: And it's like you're feeling down, but don't feel so down. Something like that. [00:37:00] Impeccable timing. I'll turn on the. radio, and I don't listen to radio these days or anything. That song plays just the right time 

[00:37:10] Katharine: because of course it does. 

[00:37:12] Shilpa: And I'm always like, huh, okay.

[00:37:14] Shilpa: how can an algorithm have just at that very moment surfaced a song that has always meant something to me? 

[00:37:21] Katharine: It was the universe and the angels. I remember a couple years back, I was angry at something. I get angry about once or twice a year, and it was my once or twice a year and I was sitting here at my desk and I was really, really angry and I had Spotify on, but I had the the DJ thing on, so it was just picking whatever song I wanted to pick, and all of a sudden I hear the words, let it go.

[00:37:44] Katharine: The song, let it go. And I, I turned and I thought, and I was angry at the time, I was spitting mad and I'm listening to a song called Let It Go, and it's like, okay, it's like throwing books at me again. I knew exactly what was going on. It's like I get the [00:38:00] message, you know, it's, that's too funny. Thank you very much.

[00:38:02] Katharine: And I actually stopped being angry virtually immediately. But yeah, the universe has, has an incredible sense of timing and is really, has quite a sense of humor. 

[00:38:13] Shilpa: I agree. Just saying the fact that we're bringing in full circle, we're saying yes, technology has a role. AI might be able to identify information and feed it to you, but then there's something bigger going on that we need to recognize.

[00:38:27] Katharine: There is, and use your discernment. I mean, use your intuition if it feels right. Good. If it doesn't feel right, you know, it's, it's, it's like interviewing somebody and you've got somebody who's got the right resume. They're wearing the suit, they look perfect, they're answering questions brilliantly.

[00:38:44] Katharine: Everything checks out. But in your gut, you, something feels wrong. In your head, you're thinking, Nope, but. Everybody around you is saying, yeah, you gotta hire this person. They're brilliant. You should do it, but every part of your body [00:39:00] is going, Hmm, not feeling it. Don't hire them. Your intuition is protecting you from something that might happen six months down the line.

[00:39:08] Katharine: Something's gonna blow up something, you know, maybe they're gonna steal. Whatever it is, it's protecting you. Trust your intuition. You know, don't always do what everybody tells you. Trust yourself. Don't trust what everybody's trying around you. Go inside, take a vibe, walk, go meditate and do what you think you should do, what your intuition is telling you.

[00:39:30] Shilpa: Yeah, that's the tenant for this year know thyself and that is so, and especially know thyself in the age of ai, where ultimately our biggest human advantages is knowing ourselves. 

[00:39:43] Katharine: Yes, exactly. 

[00:39:46] Shilpa: Now Catherine, you have a really cool book coming out. I wanna put, a little pitch in there for our audience.

[00:39:55] Shilpa: Could you share the title and a little bit about the book? 

[00:39:59] Katharine: Um, [00:40:00] the book is called The Reluctant Intuitive. It is a book of short stories. I've had a very colorful life, and the, the idea is the saying when one door closes, another one opens great on paper. But I always wondered about the hallway between the doors and how long you're gonna be stuck in that damn hallway.

[00:40:23] Katharine: So the book is centered in that hallway and each door has a different memory. Yes, there's a dragon. Yes, there's a sloth. It's a very strange book, but it's, it, it should be fun and it'll be out probably this summer. 

[00:40:38] Shilpa: And I recall when you shared that, that the, sloth has quite the personality. 

[00:40:43] Katharine: It's very sarcastic and sloth is not very fast, and he keeps all the keys and he's the one that opens the doors and he's, he's really quite a character.

[00:40:52] Shilpa: I can't wait to read. The Reluctant Intuit is the name of 

[00:40:56] Katharine: the reluctant intuitive. I, I am very intuitive, but I [00:41:00] came into this kicking and screaming. It's almost like I said, okay, I'll do it, but I'm gonna cuss the whole way. 

[00:41:07] Shilpa: Well, sometimes I feel like I'm the reluctant, intuitive as well, and only now at this point in my life, recognizing that signs and the clues were there, 

[00:41:18] Katharine: everybody, you know, it is.

[00:41:19] Katharine: And by the way, um, you do have a book in you, you do. 

[00:41:25] Shilpa: I would love 

[00:41:26] Katharine: a book will come. I can't tell you when, but I can see you. I can see you writing something. 

[00:41:31] Shilpa: Oh, well I'll send you the first manuscript if 

[00:41:35] Katharine: I 

[00:41:35] Shilpa: ever 

[00:41:36] Katharine: read. 

[00:41:36] Shilpa: Yeah, well on that note, Catherine, I just absolutely, I'm just in goosebumps. I love this conversation and I will have the show notes, mm-hmm.

[00:41:47] Shilpa: Which will have everything everyone can read and learn more about you and your books and, thank you. And when you write that next book. I hope you say yes and are back [00:42:00] on my show. 

[00:42:00] Katharine: I certainly will. I'd be happy to. Thanks for having me again. 

[00:42:05] Shilpa: Thank you for I'm saying. Yes, 

[00:42:08] Katharine: my pleasure. 

[00:42:10] Shilpa: Bye.

[00:42:13] Shilpa: Welcome, Katharine Thank you for having me. I really appreciate it. Well, I appreciate having you and you are a returning guest, so clearly we've had a great connection from the past. I am. I'm looking forward to it. before I hit record, I was telling you that one of the last times we had a conversation, which was on the topic of forgiveness.

[00:42:40] Katharine: Mm-hmm. We had touched on intuition, and I recall the connection going from yes, energy to intuition, and there's a through line there. Um, and you were saying something just before I hit record. I'm like, I wish I could capture that. Maybe [00:43:00] you can remind the audience of how your niche focus and forgiveness also connects to intuition.

[00:43:10] Katharine: One of the things people don't understand is everybody is intuitive. 10 outta 10 people on the planet are intuitive, and there's probably no kidding. 25 or 30 ways people hear their intuition. I only talk about five. You see it, feel it, hear it, or know it. That's. So everybody does it. You either hear words in your head or you hear the answers through music or I'm, they call that clear audience and you hear the answers in people's words, or maybe you hear words in your mind like I do.

[00:43:45] Katharine: You're also, there's people who see, they're clairvoyant. Doesn't mean there's a ghost that's gonna walk in and say, hi, how are you? It, you might, but I doubt it. But what it means is you see the answer, you see it in the written word. You see, you pay [00:44:00] attention to the world around you. A lot of people in law enforcement that they see the answers.

[00:44:06] Katharine: Then you've got the people who just, they just know it. One minute they don't. And the next minute they just, they just know the answer. And then you've got the people who feel their way, they walk into a room and it just feels off. Those are the feeling people. Those are the empaths. And the thing about your intuition is it's like a muscle.

[00:44:29] Katharine: The more you use it, the better you'll get at it. But if you're angry and you are holding onto this toxic anger about your family, family's really mess you up, don't they? But you maybe your childhood or your family or your parents or whatever, that's gonna act like a lead shield and it's gonna prevent you from tapping into your.

[00:44:50] Katharine: Natural way of using intuition, which is why I focus on forgiveness 'cause the more you lighten up your energy field, because our world is just energy and love. That's [00:45:00] it. The more you lighten up that field, the more you will hear that intuition and you'll be able to actually get, get real live answers when you talk about lightning.

[00:45:12] Shilpa: That energy reminds me of something I've been reading a lot about. I've mentioned to you before I hit record, is that even now, metaphysics is speaking to this notion that we can tune in more by lowering our entropy. And another way of thinking of that as, uh, just when you meditate, you're lowering your entropy.

[00:45:37] Katharine: The thing about this is we are energy. Everything is energy. Even this little silver microphone that I am actually speaking into right now has an energy field around it. So when you get angry, I'm the only one at the planet that thinks like this. And I said this in your other show, when you get angry, you think the words leave your mouth dissipate into the ether in the universe.

[00:45:59] Katharine: They [00:46:00] do not, they hang around the energy field that's naturally around your body. When you meditate, sometimes you can move that dark energy out. To other places. You can lighten your energy field through forgiveness, through my forgiveness system, if you will. You can lighten that energy field around your body and really what it means is instead of walking around in a dark little cloud and you can't see anything through a dark cloud, 'cause you're so inner focused, you're gonna lighten the energy around you.

[00:46:30] Katharine: Which means now you're gonna be able to see opportunities, money making opportunities, way to lose weight, way to get better health by dream relationship. The only reason you didn't see it before is 'cause you were so focused on your anger, you couldn't see it, and your anger was all around your body. So by forgiving people, your lighting, your energy, which will allow you to tap into your intuition.

[00:46:53] Katharine: Which will finally allow you to be your authentic self and actually get answers from the other side. When [00:47:00] I was a kid, um, I was raised Christian and I used to sit in church. Episcopalians are bad singers and you're supposed to sit, they're all quiet and pious and you know, it's all very, very serious kind of stuff.

[00:47:12] Katharine: And I used to think to myself, if God is really there, how hard would it be for him to have a little, tiny little conversation with me? And I used to think that as a little girl. The adults got really mad at me when I used to think that. 'cause I'm very intuitive and I've been that way since I was a kid.

[00:47:29] Katharine: And in my head I kept feeling, well, there's no reason why you can't have a conversation. 'cause I'd hear words. And this is a conversations you can have through exercises. You can talk to the other side. You can get the answers to your questions. Now, I'm not a magic eight ball. I will not tell the future.

[00:47:46] Katharine: But you can get, you can get answers to your life right now. That will Absolutely. Should I take the job? Yes or no? Be nice to have an answer to that question. Right. Use your intuition. You'll know the truth. [00:48:00] And you also mentioned that these weren't your words, but that there's like, there's this orchestra of information that we're being fed mm-hmm.

[00:48:11] Shilpa: In different ways, whether it's. Tactile or auditory. Mm-hmm. And it's for us to tune into that frequency, to hear it, and often then do something about it. And one of the things you mentioned was the anger and Yeah, I sort of see it as a pattern that you need to change in order to then effectively. Do the right thing with that information.

[00:48:44] Shilpa: That's probably coming through AKA known as responding versus reacting. 'cause often when we're in that reactive mode, it's fight or flight. That's right. You know, the thing about intuition is what I really want people to do is pay attention. [00:49:00] Ask a question, should I take the job? Yes or no? Now, pay attention.

[00:49:05] Katharine: Pay attention to the world. If you're, if you're a shut in and you're very sedentary, go take a walk, even if it's right around the block. Pay attention to the birds. You see. Pay attention to how you feel when you, when, when you hear, should I take the job? Yes or no? Do you feel a pit in your stomach or are you feeling really happy about it?

[00:49:24] Katharine: Those are the impasse. How do you feel? Are you feeling good? Are you feeling bad? Are you hearing a yes or no? Or are you seeing things? Are you just seeing happy people or negative people? Pay attention to the world around you because everybody sees, hears, feels, or just no. Those are the five web, those are the four ways, and there's empaths, and then there're the clear feeling people.

[00:49:44] Katharine: So there's really five. You can Google it, but pay attention and you don't need to go to the gurus and the people who say, yes, I will. I will tell you all you can do it yourself. You just have to start paying attention. I [00:50:00] just completed a series that I felt like was intuitively the right first step, which is trust.

[00:50:06] Shilpa: There you go. Yeah, and I feel like one of the things that I have worked through and still working through, but thank goodness I'm finally realizing it, is that I need to learn to trust myself. That's very hard to do trust, 'cause I'm telling you to have trust in something you can't see. Let me tell you a quick story.

[00:50:26] Katharine: I have so many stories, but this is a kind of a fun one years ago when my sons, they're in their thirties now, but they were kids like 10, 12, something like that. And we were in Maine and we were about, we, we were climbing a mountain. 'cause that's what you do when you go to Maine, right? So I stayed by the tree line and my sons and my two brothers were kind of like mountain goats.

[00:50:45] Katharine: And they went and I'm terribly scared of heights, like really scared of them. And they went out onto. The mountaintop, but from where I was standing, it was like an infinity pool and I couldn't see, all I saw was [00:51:00] my sons just dropping away and I was too scared to leave the tree line and I was started to scream like an idiot.

[00:51:07] Katharine: My brothers thought I'd lost my mind, but I was really scared of wind was gonna drop them or maybe they dropped off the face of the matter, I couldn't see. So my younger brother put out his hand and he said, you have to have faith. Take my hand because it, there's, there's flat rock out here. You just can't see it.

[00:51:24] Katharine: And sure enough, I went like two or three steps and I could see all the flat rocks. My kids thought I was done. Everybody thought I'd lost my mind. But that's the thing about intuition. There are flat rocks. You're all standing by the tree line, and you have to take those first. Few steps and trust yourself that the other side has got you and they're flat rocks and you're gonna be fine.

[00:51:46] Katharine: But having faith in something you can't see, it's really hard. It is really hard, and sometimes you are on the right path. I know, um, and I mentioned to you that [00:52:00] I've written a lot this year about a variety of topics, but some of it is a reflection of my life from like 20, 25 years ago, decisions I made in the past and often kicking myself like, well, why did I, because I was telling you I studied ai, like why did I study ai?

[00:52:18] Shilpa: I was told it was a dead end, and there I spent four years of my college where I could have been doing something different. You might wanna forgive yourself for that? Well, I did when I realized that now I'm at the, I've got the pulse of, uh, the bleeding edge technology and I get it. And I'm not afraid of it.

[00:52:37] Katharine: Yeah. And so that sort of brings me to my other subject is fear and talking about, you know, the elephant in the room, fear in the age of digital noise. Mm-hmm. And where do you see the role of intuition in all of this? I think your intuition, it's, it's not something you can turn on and off. You always have it.

[00:52:59] Katharine: You walk into a [00:53:00] room and it feels off. You go to a website. I've gone to websites and it just feels wrong to me. I, I'm, I, I am, I, I am Claire Ian, but I'm actually also Clairvoyant. Claire Extens. Claire Cognizant, and I do all of them now, but I've been doing this for over 20 years. You can, it's, it's like playing golf.

[00:53:18] Katharine: We can all learn how to play golf. You might not be Tiger Woods. Even though we just got into trouble, you may not all be Tiger Woods, but everybody can learn how to play the game. So even though I'm clear, Ian, I've learned the other mythologies too. And when it comes to fear, and it comes to the internet, trust yourself.

[00:53:37] Katharine: I've gone on websites and I could stay on that website, maybe 10 seconds and it feels off. Or you're on Zoom with somebody, you're interviewing them for a job maybe, and all of a sudden it feels wrong. Trust yourself or the, you know, or you're, you're Googling something and the answer that you get back from the AI just doesn't [00:54:00] feel right to you, but it's an ai.

[00:54:01] Katharine: I should be trusting this, that you're, they're sending me to a website and they're sending, it may not be right for you. It may or may not. So trust yourself when you go to a website, when you meet somebody on Zoom, when you're on social media. Trust yourself. What's your gut telling you? What? What are you feeling right now?

[00:54:19] Katharine: Are you feeling happy or sad? It could be a scam. Trust your gut. That's the biggest message I can tell people. Trust yourself because it's that still small voice that you hear first, and then your brain takes over and calls you an idiot, and then your brain's like, no, no, that's not right. No, it's that first knee jerk, very quiet little voice before your brain kicks in and starts poking holes in it.

[00:54:43] Shilpa: Yes, there are two ends of that, spectrum. I think on one side it's that intuitive hit, but could be perceived as impulse, which I have dealt with. Mm-hmm. And some of it is impulse, but learning to distinguish [00:55:00] those two is an art that I'm developing. But then on the other end is that fight or flight, the fear, the elephant in the room, take no action and right and view.

[00:55:11] Shilpa: Things from a state of fear or anger. Here's an exercise that everybody can do today. Right now it's called guided writing. And even if you've tried guided writing and said, oh, Catherine, I've tried that. It didn't work. Stay with me. Get a pad of paper and a pen. Or your computer, I actually don't care and I want you alone.

[00:55:34] Katharine: So all the little humans, I kind of want 'em out of the room. The dog can be in there if the dog can behave itself, right? So I want you to alone. I want you paying attention. Now, I want you to write a question. Something that you really wanna know, and it could be a yes or no question, right? I I want you to don't say, why is the sky blue, because that's not an answer.

[00:55:56] Katharine: You're gonna really understand. Write something. Should I turn left or [00:56:00] right at the next stoplight or whatever you wanna know. How do I lose weight? I don't care. Whatever it is. Then I want you to wait for the answer. Don't think it, don't spend too much time. Your knee jerk reaction, whatever it is. Do you see a color?

[00:56:12] Katharine: What color is it? Write it down. Did you feel something? Did you all of a sudden get cold? Write down, I got cold. Did you hear a yes or no? In your head? Write down what you heard. Write down the exact words. Did you see something in your mind? Did you see? Did you see Alaska and some ice, or did you see, you know, butterflies?

[00:56:31] Katharine: What are you seeing in your head? Write it down. What did you see? What did you feel? How you know? Think about it and write it down. Then ask another question, and before you know it, you're gonna be having a two-way conversation with, it. Doesn't matter, probably your higher self. It could be the angels, it could be spirit guides.

[00:56:50] Katharine: It doesn't matter who you're talking to, you're having a conversation with your higher self. So what? Write that question and then whatever you see, you [00:57:00] see something, you feel something, all of a sudden you're cold. Write down. You're cold. Okay. Well, if it's a yes or no question, the fact that I'm sitting here cold is probably a no.

[00:57:09] Katharine: See what I'm doing or if I see colors. All right, well, I'm seeing a lot of black in my head. Okay. That's a, that's a no, that's a big no. You might wanna run the other way or are you feeling warm and fuzzy? Are you seeing colors? Are you, you know, this is the kind of thing, it's not always words you're gonna get back.

[00:57:25] Katharine: It depends upon how your intuition works. You might even smell something. Not kidding. There are clear spelling people and they, they, they actually smell flowers or they'll smell something else. Is it, there's a, some people hear their intuition through touch. You can google this. It's actually very fascinating.

[00:57:43] Katharine: There's a good 25, 30 ways people tap into their intuition. That is lovely to know that we are in an age where it's becoming more, I accessible this at least, how do I know? It's not like something still woo or [00:58:00] equivalent to. I dunno terms that were used in the past, like psychic, but it's, it's, people say psychic, they say Woo.

[00:58:08] Katharine: They'll say, oh, that's a woo woo kind of thing. And my answer to that, it's no, it's not a kind of woo woo thing. It's a, this is who I am kind of thing. Everybody on the planet is intuitive and if somebody tries to tell, says the opposite, well they're wrong. That's how our bodies are built, our operating system to use a complete, to use a computer term.

[00:58:28] Katharine: That's our operating system. It's built on love and intuition. That's how we're built. That's how we're created. And it's a question of figuring out what your style is. 'cause everybody's style is different. I actually hear words in my head and I see things, but not everybody can do that. So everybody has a different style.

[00:58:46] Katharine: It's a question of learning how you interpret the signs that you're getting. Catherine, we talked about something that we both have a passion for, clearly, which is writing. Mm-hmm. [00:59:00] I have not written any books yet. You'll, but I love talking to writers and one of the things that we discussed before I hit record was, the use of large language model technologies like chat, GPT mm-hmm.

[00:59:18] Shilpa: To help you. In different ways there. I, know there's so many ways people can utilize it, yet over and over, I've faced and you, you know, because I've shared this horror stories, that there's a huge negative backlash. Yep. Technology of specific type called large language models. And the funny part is most people don't know that.

[00:59:44] Shilpa: That's a different kind of ai. There's different variety of ais that they've already encountered. It's not the only one. So your thoughts maybe more in from the perspective of, [01:00:00] you know, hey, I can become a better professional solopreneur 'cause that's what I do. I'm a entrepreneur and free up my space and time to give my energy to my zone of genius.

[01:00:14] Shilpa: By using ai, I think AI is actually very helpful, but I'm probably 250,000 years older than you. And I remember when I was a kid, there were no computers, but we had television, and television was gonna rot all our brains. Everybody was scared of it. That's how old I am. And then computers started to come on the scene.

[01:00:39] Katharine: They were big, huge things in those days, but the technology was really new and everybody thought they were gonna take everything over and it was gonna ruin society. And then computers got better and better and people were still say, they were still scared to death of it. And no, I'm not using that stuff.

[01:00:54] Katharine: I'm scared it's gonna take everything over. It's gonna ruin our lives. Case 2026, we're [01:01:00] still here. TV didn't rot my brain and computers didn't ruin everything. We're still here. So AI is a brand new technology and people, their knee jerk reaction is to be scared of what they don't understand. So they're absolutely scared.

[01:01:15] Katharine: Arnold Schwarzenegger movie, the Terminator is not helping. Neither are the eye robot movies not helpful. But if you use it wisely and you're not using it to write your term paper in college, which is absolutely wrong, but if you use it wisely as an. Accessory as, as an extension, as an assistant. And I think it's very, very helpful.

[01:01:39] Shilpa: And you mentioned the word wisely, and that immediately, triggered a light bulb in my head because part of the through line of this topic I wanted to discuss with you is consciousness. Right? And cultivating, or going deeper into tuning ourselves to our higher consciousness also means [01:02:00] understanding what is.

[01:02:01] Shilpa: True for us, what is right for us? And that information comes from intuition. So there is a connection there between understanding which technologies to use and is it helping me and making sure that I am doing my part conscious conscientiously making decisions like you don't want to use it for a term paper, but you might wanna use it to say, Offload things that are more repetitive tasks that your time is better spent doing something different. I see no reason why not, because when computers first came on the scene, it the, the computers took those repetitive tasks. You didn't have to do all that data entry anymore. You, I mean, once the data was in the computer, then it generated all sorts of reports.

[01:02:53] Katharine: This was new back when I was a kid. I mean, look at this one button and I could get all this information. So it, [01:03:00] the, these things do take the repetitive text, but, you know, use your intuition and I mean this from the bottom of my heart. You know, if you're sitting there and something feels off, and it could even be the one AI feels better than the other one.

[01:03:13] Katharine: Trust your gut. If you're sitting there and it just, you're seeing something in your head and you don't understand it, maybe you're seeing a mountain explode. Okay, sit back. Why are you seeing mountains explode in your head? You're not crazy. Because if you're crazy, I'm crazy, you're not crazy. Why are you seeing this in your head?

[01:03:33] Katharine: Or all of a sudden you just know something. Okay, follow. Follow that rabbit hole. Pay attention. It's the biggest message I have. If you wanna tap into your intuition, pay attention and try the guided writing thing. If you're really new at intuition and you're a complete newbie, guided writing is one of the ways I teach people to get in touch.

[01:03:52] Katharine: To start off, to get into, in to, sorry. Get in touch with their intuition [01:04:00] because it's a really good beginner way to start the party. 'cause it really is. Yes, absolutely. You're basically saying follow the trail of information. Yeah. Information is really coming from your higher self. Let me tell you a story.

[01:04:15] Katharine: You know, I have lots of stories. Years ago, I've been intuitive since I was a kid. I kept it to myself and I kept quiet about it for a good 40 years because I was shy and I wanted to fit in, and I was bullied in my grammar school and I didn't wanna be stuffed into a locker. So I didn't tell people I could hear things in my head.

[01:04:35] Katharine: And besides the witch. I was scared. They'd put me in the funny farm and give me meds. You know, if you hear voices, they're gonna give you meds. So I didn't tell anybody. I didn't say anything. So you fast forward and I had no idea what I was doing, what I was talking to. And then all of a sudden my kids were like one in three.

[01:04:50] Katharine: We moved to North Carolina and I turned my head and I saw an angel standing in my kitchen. There she was. And then she was gone. Just like [01:05:00] that. And I didn't tell anybody for two weeks 'cause I thought I was crazy. I thought, I'm seeing things now. I must be tired. You know, my sons aren't sleeping through the night.

[01:05:09] Katharine: I'm exhausted. New mother, but I couldn't get it outta my head. So I thought, okay, well maybe, maybe I'm a born again or something. I really didn't know. I was searching, I didn't know what I was, and I thought, well, maybe I should start thanking the universe for things. And every time I said thank you, I'd hear you're welcome.

[01:05:26] Katharine: In my head I'm thinking, okay. And it didn't sound like my own voice, like it had all my life. It sounded different. And I thought, okay, this is new. This, this is a different kind of voice. So I thought, okay, we didn't have computers back then, remember? And so I thought, well, somebody's written a book about it.

[01:05:44] Katharine: I know somebody's written a book. So I went to Barnes and Noble, this is a true story, and I'm walking through, happened to end up in the metaphysical section. 'cause of course I did. And all of a sudden a book flies off the shelf. Literally [01:06:00] levitates right off the shelf lands at my feet, and because I'm a college educated girl, I thought, okay, books don't fly off the shelf.

[01:06:09] Katharine: So I wandered around to the other side of the bookshelf to see who was there. There was nobody there. The book literally flew off the shelf at. And I looked down, it was the book Conversations with God by Neil Donald Walsh, who heard voices in his head and wrote it down. Phenomenal series. And then I thought, okay.

[01:06:27] Katharine: Well, now the universe is throwing books at me to get my attention, literally. And that was the beginning of me following my intuition. That happened about 20 years ago, and I've been listening ever since. So it's a question of following your intuition. Follow. So the universe doesn't throw books at you too.

[01:06:45] Katharine: Thank you very much. But fi do you see it, feel it, hear it, or know it? And are there other techniques that you suggest, aside from the writing and just being aware, like being aware [01:07:00] that mm-hmm these are the minimal five to pay attention to. Have you, found other ways in which it helps you to say, oh yeah, I think I'm seeing a clue here I need to follow up on.

[01:07:13] Katharine: Sure. Um, get out of whatever you're doing. If you, it doesn't matter if you're in the city, in the country, I don't care where you are. Go outside unless there's 10 feet of snow. Go outside and before you go outside, I call this a vibe walk, VIBE walk. It's just what I use. That's just what I call it. And in your head you kind of know what you wanna ask.

[01:07:36] Katharine: You know you're having trouble with your career, your health, your relationship, you, you know, you kind of want answers. So before you go on your vibe walk, you've kind of got your question and you know what you want answers for. And then go on your walk. Pay attention. Pay attention. Excuse me. Pay attention to the birds.

[01:07:53] Katharine: You see? How many birds do you see? Write the number down. Numerology is a thing. People [01:08:00] write down how you feel. Are you feeling warm? Are you feeling cold? Did you see somebody walking the other way and they smiled at you? Okay, that could be a sign. I'm not crazy. This could be a sign. Pay attention to what you're hearing.

[01:08:15] Katharine: As you're walking, what you're seeing is you're walking how you feel. Take, you know, make sure you've got your phone and any thoughts that you have randomly come coming through your head. Write it on your phone. Stop and just write it right down. It's called a vibe walk. But I don't want you listening to music.

[01:08:32] Katharine: I literally want you to just go out with the intention of using your intuition and just be, well, that's, I just thought of a story that I think it's related, so I'm just gonna go ahead and share. My husband loves to walk. He goes for a beach, walk along the Carlsbad boardwalk, and. Just after COVID one day he comes home and he, sits down.

[01:08:58] Shilpa: He is just like, [01:09:00] something interesting happened. And my walk, there you go. And I go, what? And he's pretty intuitive, even though he is not into the whole boo labels. And I go, well, what happened? He is like a really, really old man. Beeline, straight to me, looked me right up. 'cause he is a tall man. And he said, have you read Napoleon Hill?

[01:09:24] Shilpa: And my husband has a sign and my husband's like, I, have no clue. Nap who Napoleon Hill is. And, I think he rattled off something and then just scurried on. He's an old writer and he is written a bunch of books and they're, they're really good. He is a really, really good writer. Napoleon Hill, I can't remember the main one he wrote.

[01:09:43] Katharine: It'll come to me in a minute. It'll come to you in a minute. Well, I ended up googling it while my husband and I were talking and I go. Huh. So I read some stuff and I'm like, he, whatever key phrase it was, I, at the moment I'm forgetting it was [01:10:00] the very concept I was seeking as I was writing a pap, a an article on my blog and like a light bulb went off.

[01:10:09] Shilpa: I'm like, what are the chances you meet someone and he has, you know, happened to tell you to read this? Writing of this man and I end up using it for a blog. I'm trying to write. That's right. Is this the kind of thing I'm telling you, these, they're strange things. Lots of weird things have happened to me.

[01:10:29] Katharine: The, the, the voice in my head has saved my life three times. Not that Catherine is counting particularly, but you know, sometimes you hear these things on a walk, sometimes you'll hear it, you know? To prevent you from doing something really bad that might get you killed. You know, these are, these are the times we hear it, but you could hear it in your everyday work too.

[01:10:48] Katharine: And your husband was, he was paying attention. He was on a, what I would call a vibe walk. Dude came up to him. This is different. Said something to him. Okay, that's odd. Never heard of Napoleon Hill. [01:11:00] That's a sign. That's a message a hundred percent. These are the types of things that happen. If you pay attention and everybody listening has had one of those weird things happen to them, I don't care what, who you are, everybody, either as a child, a teen, or an adult, you've had something strange happen to you or a member of your family that you can't explain that really helps you in the time.

[01:11:19] Katharine: That, I mean, really helped you in the time. That's what we're talking about. We're talking about tapping into that energy and doing it every day and utilizing that energy. See, we're not meant to be in this planet without help. We're just not, we're meant to have the help. We're meant to tap into this energy.

[01:11:37] Katharine: It's who we are. It's how our bodies are wired. Yeah. Greater awareness through paying attention. Meditation happens to be my way to, that's fine because then the stillness comes. When the stillness comes, you start paying attention to information in a different way. and moments of synchronicity and serendipity become profound.[01:12:00] 

[01:12:00] Katharine: Now, um, just to play devil's advocate, 'cause I'm, I'm living in the south, but I am from New York City originally. Um, not everybody can meditate. Your girl is one of them because when I sit down and meditate, my, my monkey brain goes into all sorts of different directions and I have gone through all sorts of classes.

[01:12:20] Katharine: So for those people who are listening and saying, well, that's all well and good for you, but I can't meditate, you can't sit still, you got a DD, you know, whatever it is. Go on a vibe walk. I get more messages when I'm walking because my body is moving. Sometimes I'm listening to music and that's when the messages come through, so I meditate when I'm walking.

[01:12:43] Katharine: You don't have to sit and meditate and be quiet if you don't want to. You could be like me, I meditate every day, but I meditate while I'm doing something. I meditate while I'm walking because it gives my brain something else to think about. And the, it's almost like my brain moves [01:13:00] one step to the left so the information can come through.

[01:13:04] Katharine: So my brain is occupied with keeping my, you know, my, my feet, you know, without chipping, you know, you're walking, so you're concentrating on my body. So now my intuition, it gives, there's, there's room in my brain for the intuition and the messages to come through. Yes. And there's different, makes sense. Yes.

[01:13:21] Shilpa: There are different forms of what I call a mindful stillness. Exactly. However, meditation has its very specific purpose and it does allow you to, tune into certain energy that is more, I think, higher self. But I totally agree with you that there are different ways to still continue being receptive in the daily life.

[01:13:46] Shilpa: Mm-hmm. And then learning to discern what kind of information am I. Hearing or seeing, which, yeah, is an art form in of itself. I, think, or just turn off all your technology, and I do [01:14:00] this too. I'll turn off all the technology. I'll go into the sunroom and I'll just sit there. Eyes closed, and if my brain, if my mind wanders, it wanders.

[01:14:09] Katharine: But I will sit and I'll purposely listen to the sounds outside and I'll just sit there. It could be, it could be 30 seconds, it could be two minutes, it could be anything. And it's like my way of resetting my body, especially on days where I've, you know, things have blown up. I will often just go off by myself and I'll just take a minute just to, just to be.

[01:14:29] Katharine: Just to be, and that's also a form of meditation, so don't get all upset out there when you say, I can't meditate. Well, like intuition, there's 10 ways to meditate and they're all correct. Now, bringing this full circle back to digital era and digital age and the different ways in which we can navigate.

[01:14:56] Shilpa: Our space as maybe an entrepreneur, and I think you and I [01:15:00] consider ourselves entrepreneurs, what framework would you use for those who are thinking, well, this is technology. How do, what does that have to do with intuition? Or, that's ai and I don't like ai. I'm afraid of it. What framework would you suggest?

[01:15:24] Katharine: So you think the universe can't get you a message through ai? Really? That's a very, that's a, that's a, that's an interesting stance to take. If God in the universe is God in the universe, why couldn't they get a message to us through ai? Why couldn't they plant that knowledge within that computer to get the message and hear the words exactly as that?

[01:15:47] Katharine: I need to hear them. Have faith in things you can't see. Now, I'm not saying worship AI and take everything he, it says as, as, as law because I, [01:16:00] I use AI with a grain of salt sometimes. I agree with it quite honestly. Sometimes I don't. But sometimes it'll say just the right thing at just the right moment, and I'll look at it and go, okay, message received, I get it.

[01:16:13] Katharine: Or sometimes I'll be on Spotify and I'll be writing and just the right song and a lyric comes through on a song and my ear will catch it, and that's the message. And I'll look at, I'll look over at my other, my computer and it's like, hmm, okay, I get it. Be open to these things. Don't be scared of it. Ai, you know, it's, I'm, I highly doubt we're moving into Terminator movies.

[01:16:37] Katharine: I really don't think we are. And I, agree that you used discernment. I just created a graphic, which I'll send to you after our call, on the different ways in which different large language models can be utilized. Like something like complexity can be used for verifying cross checking, fact checking and research versus chat.

[01:16:57] Shilpa: GPTI kind of thing as my chatty friend, I [01:17:00] even call her chatty, but you know, and you can, or Claude. Or Claude. Claude is good. And Claude I use for writing. Yeah. And I genuinely believe my writing comes out much, more refined than it would've using some of the other technologies. But the other layer of what you're saying, I think that it's good, to mention that large language models, ai, they're built on originally the original source of truth.

[01:17:28] Shilpa: Humans, how do we communicate Exactly. And so exactly this technology. Has intelligently built in this concept of intent. If you were searching for something and then all of a sudden AI via Google or some other technology is suggesting something to you, it's because you've either mentioned it or talked about it in some form or fashion, and that built in intent is now saying, let me get more of that information.

[01:17:57] Shilpa: Now, spiritually speaking, I actually have a [01:18:00] take on that. I sometimes think, that which you focus on, you attract true. So if where your attention goes, energy flows. So if you're putting your attention on interesting story. I remember my husband and I got a new toilet three years ago, and he was searching for toilets.

[01:18:19] Shilpa: I might have searched once or twice on Wayfair, but he was the guy who was gonna buy it and install it. I still get suggestions for toilets. You know, you wanna look at Amazon and Google and say, listen, I'm not a toilet seat connoisseur. I just wanted the one. I don't need 50 of them. Just the one, don't send me all these, you know, sales for toilets now because I just needed the one, one and done.

[01:18:44] Shilpa: That's all I need now. It think you do, you collect the dumb things. Mm-hmm. Yep. Now, well one thing though, I do agree with what you mentioned on the Spotify that. Perhaps, yes, there are algorithms that were, able to feed the informa, songs or music, but [01:19:00] sometimes it is random. I remember, well, there's this one song that always shows up in my life and it's been going on since my twenties.

[01:19:08] Shilpa: It's, something called in the middle, right? And it's like you're feeling down, but don't feel so down. Something like that. Impeccable timing. I'll turn on the. radio, and I don't listen to radio these days or anything. That song plays just the right time because of course it does. And I'm always like, huh, okay.

[01:19:31] Shilpa: How, can an algorithm have just at that very moment surfaced a song that has always meant something to me? It was the universe and the angels. I remember a couple years back, I was angry at something. I get angry about once or twice a year, and it was my once or twice a year and I was sitting here at my desk and I was really, really angry and I had Spotify on, but I had the the DJ thing on, so it was just picking whatever song I wanted to pick, and all of a sudden I hear the words, let [01:20:00] it go.

[01:20:00] Katharine: The song, let it go. And I, I turned and I thought, and I was angry at the time, I was spitting mad and I'm listening to a song called Let It Go, and it's like, okay, it's like throwing books at me again. I knew exactly what was going on. It's like I get the message, you know, it's, that's too funny. Thank you very much.

[01:20:18] Katharine: And I actually stopped being angry virtually immediately. But yeah, the universe has, has an incredible sense of timing and is really, has quite a sense of humor. I agree. Just saying the fact that we're bringing in full circle, we're saying yes, technology has a role. AI might be able to identify information and feed it to you, but then there's something bigger going on that we need to recognize.

[01:20:43] Katharine: There is, and use your discernment. I mean, use your intuition if it feels right. Good. If it doesn't feel right, you know, it's, it's, it's like interviewing somebody and you've got somebody who's got the right resume. They're wearing the suit, they look perfect, they're answering questions [01:21:00] brilliantly.

[01:21:00] Katharine: Everything checks out. But in your gut, you, something feels wrong. In your head, you're thinking, Nope, but. Everybody around you is saying, yeah, you gotta hire this person. They're brilliant. You should do it, but every part of your body is going, Hmm, not feeling it. Don't hire them. Your intuition is protecting you from something that might happen six months down the line.

[01:21:24] Katharine: Something's gonna blow up something, you know, maybe they're gonna steal. Whatever it is, it's protecting you. Trust your intuition. You know, don't always do what everybody tells you. Trust yourself. Don't trust what everybody's trying around you. Go inside, take a vibe, walk, go meditate and do what you think you should do, what your intuition is telling you.

[01:21:46] Shilpa: Yeah, that's the tenant for this year know thyself and that is so, and especially know thyself in the age of ai, where ultimately our biggest human advantages is knowing ourselves. [01:22:00] Yes, exactly. Now Catherine, you have a really cool book coming out. I wanna put, a little pitch in there for our audience.

[01:22:11] Shilpa: Could you share the title and a little bit about the book? Um, the book is called The Reluctant Intuitive. It is a book of short stories. I've had a very colorful life, and the, the idea is the saying when one door closes, another one opens great on paper. But I always wondered about the hallway between the doors and how long you're gonna be stuck in that damn hallway.

[01:22:40] Katharine: So the book is centered in that hallway and each door has a different memory. Yes, there's a dragon. Yes, there's a sloth. It's a very strange book, but it's, it, it should be fun and it'll be out probably this summer. And I recall when you shared that, that the, sloth has quite the personality. [01:23:00] It's very sarcastic and sloth is not very fast, and he keeps all the keys and he's the one that opens the doors and he's, he's really quite a character.

[01:23:09] Shilpa: I can't wait to read. The Reluctant Intuit is the name of the reluctant intuitive. I, I am very intuitive, but I came into this kicking and screaming. It's almost like I said, okay, I'll do it, but I'm gonna cuss the whole way. Well, sometimes I feel like I'm the reluctant, intuitive as well, and only now at this point in my life, recognizing that signs and the clues were there, everybody, you know, it is.

[01:23:36] Katharine: And by the way, um, you do have a book in you, you do. I would love a book will come. I can't tell you when, but I can see you. I can see you writing something. Oh, well I'll send you the first manuscript if I ever read. Yeah, well on that note, Catherine, I just absolutely, I'm just in goosebumps. I love this [01:24:00] conversation and I will have the show notes, mm-hmm.

[01:24:03] Shilpa: Which will have everything everyone can read and learn more about you and your books and, thank you. And when you write that next book. I hope you say yes and are back on my show. I certainly will. I'd be happy to. Thanks for having me again. Thank you for I'm saying. Yes, my pleasure. Bye.