The Real Intelligence Podcast with Jenny Swim

34: The Gift of Pain: How to BE With Discomfort

Jenny Swim

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In this episode of The Real Intelligence Podcast, Jenny Swim explores the gift of pain—and why it remains one of our greatest teachers, even though we instinctively try to avoid it. Whether emotional, social, spiritual, or physical, pain often triggers familiar reactions: fight, flight, freeze, or fawn.

Together, we’ll:

  • Rethink our relationship with pain
  • Recognize our automatic patterns
  • Explore practical tools for relating with and moving through discomfort with greater intelligence and intention

If this conversation resonates, share it with someone who might benefit from a gentler, more empowering way to understand and navigate their own experience with pain.

Additional Resources:

Salk Institute for Biological Studies. (2023, June 21). From injury to agony: Scientists discover brain pathway that turns pain into suffering. https://www.salk.edu/news-release/from-injury-to-agony-scientists-discover-brain-pathway-that-turns-pain-into-suffering/

Truman, K. K. (1989). Feelings buried alive never die. Bantam. https://a.co/d/i4GKjsL

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