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Reflections on the Matt Choi Interview and the Tyson vs. Jake Paul Fight
Can a fight between a boxing legend and a YouTube sensation truly capture the essence of two eras? Join us as we recount personal encounters with the iconic Mike Tyson and weigh in on Jake Paul's unexpected rise in the boxing world. We discuss the logistics of this much-anticipated match-up, from timing and rounds to glove specifications, while pondering the nostalgic allure of Tyson's legacy against Paul's influencer-driven appeal. This clash of titans promises to blend the glory of Tyson's storied past with the fresh energy of a new generation.
Shifting our focus from the ring to the running track, we explore the transformation of combat sports and the financial spectacle that influencer-driven events have become. Through the lens of Jake Paul's career and the ever-evolving world of the UFC, we draw parallels to the entertainment style of WWE and delve into the complexities of modern sports entertainment. We also touch on the intricate logistics of events like the New York City Marathon, underscoring the vital roles of volunteers and officials in orchestrating these high-profile races.
Finally, we shine a spotlight on the running community, highlighting the inspirational journey of Matt Choi. Despite facing online backlash, Matt continues to motivate countless individuals with his dedication to marathon running. We discuss the harshness of internet criticism, drawing connections to similar experiences faced by figures like Shane Gillis. Our conversation with Matt offers practical advice for runners and an insight into his documentaries on the New York City Marathon and the Leadville 100, inviting our listeners to engage and connect with the empowering stories in these films.
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Welcome to Dadbods and Dumbbells. My name is Mitch.
Speaker 2:I'm Bart.
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Speaker 1:This is a reaction to our episode yesterday that just dropped with matt choy, so if you haven't listened to that and you're listening to it right now, uh, make sure you stop what you're doing, pause and go to the episode before this to listen to matt Matt Choi episode. Of course, we'll talk about some new things.
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Speaker 1:Make sure you subscribe to that, get notifications. That's what we want you to do. That's what we've been experiencing. We've gotten a huge amount of views on all our clips and we're going to do more video content. We're going to do more video content. We're going to get more interviews in here. So there's a lot of stuff going on. We're so thankful that you started. We call you tier one. Members of our dad, bods and dumbbells podcast. Thanks for joining us. Let's get rolling, man. What do you think?
Speaker 2:Let's jump in, hey, no, first of all, we got to. We got to touch on a couple of things happening tonight.
Speaker 1:Oh what? All right, I mean, it's a Friday, it's Friday Friday.
Speaker 2:So some of y'all might subscribe to Netflix.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got a Netflix. They keep raising their prices. They do. They're a-holes.
Speaker 2:They just send me an email and say oh, we're pricing. Oh, my goodness Give me a break, but Tyson and 58. Fantastic.
Speaker 1:Jake Paul is an influencer. He's 31.
Speaker 2:31? Yeah, he's 31.
Speaker 1:So I think, okay, I'm definitely watching.
Speaker 2:Hell yeah.
Speaker 1:It's going to be amazing. Are you going to watch with your son, maybe? I mean, that's actually a decent idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't think my wife's going to let that happen.
Speaker 1:Really Probably not. Yeah, so for me I'm kind of like it depends on a lot of things. It depends on if he cares Well first of all, it's Friday.
Speaker 2:You've got a whole weekend full of soccer. He's got a soccer tournament and it's a big deal and it's probably not going to be that late because they've got all the early fights and all that. It probably won on until 9, 9, 30, because it's in our, it's in arlington who are the early fight fights? Uh, they've got, I don't know, just so like there was a couple like female fighters and uh, a couple other cards on it they're like influencers, probably dude, yeah, but anyway yeah it's so anyway, a lot of it depends on when the actual fight is.
Speaker 2:But you know, a guy I mean at 49 years old.
Speaker 1:I grew up watching tyson tyson on hbo before the second knockout. He did I remember sphinx it was incredible. Those guys I love like 80 and 87 seconds or whatever it was I think tyson's aged really well for the community he's in, I mean, and he's jacked up on on trt and peptides so he's not maddie no, but good for him like he's.
Speaker 2:He's turned himself back into this like kind of gladiator.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Which he mentally, physically, you know, that's how he is at his best. You know, when he's distracted, that's when he is falling off, is when he just got caught up in life. Yeah, and he wasn't really that like killer that he was in his early years.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean, after uh hangover he had a resurgence and you know, I've I've seen him in public. Yeah, so I used to live in phoenix, arizona, and at the time he was living in peoria, arizona which is just north yeah and I see him in a mall, two girls with his arms around, walking through freaking whatever Peoria mall is. So I've seen Mike Tyson and I can tell you he is as terrifying as you can imagine. Yeah, like truly. His eyes are like shark eyes.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So, like I think the for me, I think the mentality that he has, he's a killer.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like he is, he is going to kill Jakeake paul you think?
Speaker 2:oh, absolutely I mean this is, this is the great thing, because, like everyone who's old enough to remember tyson, it's kind of like jordan and lebron, like it's true one-on-one.
Speaker 1:It's like I mean, that's a terrible conspiracy because jake paul's an influencer, vine star that became a boxer, right you know, but you know I mean rogan wants to like always sell him on like.
Speaker 2:But you know, I mean Rogan wants to like always sell him on like. Oh man, you know, like Jake Paul, he's a legit fighter, like you know, if you saw him knock out such and such and like you know.
Speaker 1:I mean he does, joe does no fighting yeah.
Speaker 2:Joe knows fighting and he talks about how Jake Paul's legit and so those types of things are kind of as we think about how this is going to go. I think a lot of it is going to have to do with how many rounds into this fight it goes, because it's two-minute rounds. It's 14-ounce gloves, which means there's more sparring gloves. Yeah, special rolls, so the punches aren't going to feel quite as like.
Speaker 1:That's more for Jake Paul.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so Tyson's punch is going to be a little bit softer than it would be, you know, 20, 30 years ago.
Speaker 1:And hey, I want to say it very clear, I'm a huge fan of the Paul family.
Speaker 2:I really am.
Speaker 1:I think they're entertaining as crap, like I love what they've built, like they've truly developed and built into something crazy Like the fact that Jake Paul can be fighting Tyson and making $40 million from his own Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2:to me it's absurd.
Speaker 1:And so for me, I hope, I hope that he knocks out Jake Paul in the first punch, that's what I hope In the first punch, because I want there to be like a reset of what boxing really is.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Like it's not. I think this helps boxing, but also I think like we need to get back to the traditional idea of what boxing is when it was big, you know Muhammad Ali style, like that is entertainment.
Speaker 2:I don't think. I don't think it's ever going to get back there. You don't. Here's why Back then you didn't have MMA, you didn't have all these. Anything with karate or mixed martial arts was all under the guise of kind of like Asian art forms.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You knowuce lee or somebody like that, who like was this kind of exotic specialist who came into hollywood. And you're like, oh, that's cool, chuck norris, people like that, steven seagal even like you know I mean, but it's like that's in an age.
Speaker 1:Well, oh my goodness bro, I saw.
Speaker 2:I saw a clip of Rogan said on on like uh, on on a Conan. This is way back in the nineties, I'm sure. He said I would rather be in gay porn than be in a Steven Seagal film. That was. That was quintessentially a perfect quote. But anyway, the point being is, like martial arts for this kind of it was this thing that, like very few people knew, yeah, blah, blah, blah. So boxing was everything. If you were a boxer, you were the best in the world at fighting. You know dead stop. That was it Now with MMA, with with UFC, it's like no, no, no no.
Speaker 2:A boxer is going to get killed.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like you put Tyson in a ring killed, yeah. Like you put tyson in a ring, yeah, with anybody who's, who's a grappler and has, like all the other like forms.
Speaker 1:He's done. Yeah, he's getting taken down, he's getting pinned different type of fight so so this changes the way we look at.
Speaker 2:That's why I don't think there's going to be another tyson and muhammad ali, because we're not going to ever see them as the greatest yeah, fighter right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because that was the mark. If you can win a heavyweight bout, you're the world champ.
Speaker 2:Everything else was fringe back then, Literally. I know a guy who was a bare-knuckle boxer and he would fly to Eastern Europe and fight these underground Eastern—.
Speaker 1:Was there money in that?
Speaker 2:I mean, I'm sure, but you know this was all before the UFC. So I mean, you know, I wish this guy grew up now and he could be who he was now with the UFC and all that kind of stuff, because you know, essentially they would be fighting with like glass on their gloves and stuff like that. It's like, uh, the movie snatch yeah, like that, yeah that type of yeah, so when I I wish we have not yet talked about.
Speaker 2:I know, I know we will. We were deep in. We're eight minutes in, let's keep going. So I think the tyson stuff is intriguing.
Speaker 1:So yeah, because tonight it's, it's happening. So, um, when I wrestled in high school, yeah, um we used to go the wrestling team used to go over to our school.
Speaker 1:Um, we used to go. The wrestling team used to go over to our friend's house and we used to watch VHS tapes of USC fights. But I don't know if it was called UFC at the time. Yeah, and all I can remember thinking was this is so barbaric, it's scary, like that type of thing. But the truth is, if the UFC was what it, what it is now, and I was wrestling at the level I was wrestling, I would probably be a ufc fighter, or at least like that's the goal, right? So, yeah, I'm a one-dimensional fighter.
Speaker 1:I know how to grapple, I know how to wrestle, I know bjj, all that stuff, but the fact is I could have probably pulled in boxing you know, I like thinking back to that because I'm like you know, I could have, probably, I could have probably fought at like 155, 150 I could, I could have cut that you know, just like Conor does. Conor McGregor is not a small.
Speaker 2:You are basically Conor McGregor, basically red beard.
Speaker 1:I'm Canelo Alvarez, with Conor McGregor mixed in that's how it is, and actually actually I'm German of heritage, so I don't claim that, though Anybody's like Irish, yes.
Speaker 2:I'm Irish. Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 1:So I think the cool thing about this is it takes two generations, it takes our generation Because, even though we're 10 years apart, I remember Tyson. That was the number, that was the mark, that that was the mark.
Speaker 1:This is the best fighter in the world and Jake Paul is Gen Z is this world of influencers is like how do we make money doing this? It kind of mixes the money Mayweather vibe into it and I think it's going to be entertaining as hell and I'm super excited and I hope Tyson knocks them out Now. The problem is just like Tyson and Roy Jones Jr they fought you could tell Tyson with his, with his punches, there's so much power, tyson with his punches, there's so much power. You could tell he was pulling punches on his face, so like there had to been some side agreement.
Speaker 2:Hey, we're old, let's not punch super hard in the head so I mean body shots were crazy, but I just don't think, jake but probably has some type of agreement.
Speaker 1:I mean, they're going 8 rounds, 2 minute rounds, it's basically well, and that's the thing I think.
Speaker 2:I think 16 minutes netflix is probably just like dude. Whatever you do, it's got to go five or six rounds yeah, like, no matter, like contractually, yeah, just we, we can't.
Speaker 1:This thing is over in a round or two. Do not bet on this game, do not bet on this fight. It is rigged, more than likely it is fully rigged.
Speaker 2:This is like the tom brady roast yeah, it is a money-making machine. It is a entertainment. It is wwe, just under a different guy's I mean they might hat. They I mean tyson's an animal, yeah, he might deviate he's not gonna want to lose, yes, and Mike Tyson is not going to want to lose.
Speaker 1:He's got money that will last him good. He's figured it out, he's got it, he'll be fine. Yeah, I think Tyson in five.
Speaker 2:Okay, I'm going to say Tyson in.
Speaker 1:You say Tyson too. Tyson in six, tyson in six, this old guy, I just want to see it last. A little dude, but they're two minute rounds too.
Speaker 2:They're fast. Yeah, it'll be different, so let's, let's talk about, let's go, what you just listened to, what we just listened to matt choi episode about an hour long. We went deep, yeah, into. You know obviously his background, his kind of origin story from football to to track you know, to to running and that kind of stuff, but also him as an influencer. All under the guise of this was a conversation that happened a few weeks before he went to New York.
Speaker 2:So we didn't talk about obviously in the interview is what happened after this interview, which was him being a fallout from New York.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So Matt is a creator. He makes money creating and having cameras. I mean, just like in Leadville, we had eight camera guys, you know like now I'm exaggerating five we had five people constantly creating and I was the only one that wasn't me and Nate were the only ones that didn't take out our phones, right? So, um, there's creators all over and it's they have to make money somehow, right, like it's your. Why would you run Leadville and not tell people if you're a running influencer, right, and I think it's just a part of the game and it's a part of the system. And here's a here's a few things I'm going to say that are a little controversial, but nobody you know who's going to. I mean, I'm not going to get canceled from the running community, hopefully.
Speaker 2:I might cancel you, but other than that, no.
Speaker 1:So there were countless, countless New York City Marathon volunteers. That are all regulators. There were constant officials. There were constant officials. There were hundreds of police people and no one said a word about those e-bikes. They weren't, because I can guarantee you, if somebody says hey, hey, hey, you can't do that, they're going to go. Oh, absolutely not. Sorry, yeah. So for me I'm kind of like on the other side of like what in the world? Because there's a clip right now on on a tick talk of a guy that his job at water stations is to pick out people that don't have bibs, because there are a ton of people that try to sneak in run with their significant other. New York city marathon is an awesome marathon and everybody wants to do it and ultimately he goes hey, you out, you out. Like there's a whole clip of it. So how in the world did this skirt through? So there has to be some complacent, like if there wasn't an uproar from canadia running magazine and reddit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like this probably isn't even talked about I know, and then this is one of those things where I this is the way I see it playing out or saw it, and see how this played out was like somebody complained, somebody called their local press, somebody called New York marathon, somebody like you know, people with nothing fucking better to do that are or or hey, yeah, I didn't do. Well, I didn't, I DMP'd. But you know what I remember? I got like cut off by this bike.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and then, like you know, and you start thinking about all these things that. And then all of a sudden there's this little groundswell of like complainers that are like oh and that's, and then Matt becomes the ultimate version of the worst influencer on the planet.
Speaker 1:This is what happens when we yeah, but they just he becomes the face of like bad influencer. And how influencers have ruined, you know fill in the blank X, y and Z yeah.
Speaker 2:And so this. So Matt gets kind of called out and the more the groundswell kind of builds and he's so popular already.
Speaker 1:And here's the other thing we addressed this in the podcast, even though this didn't happen then is people just honestly just hate him because they don't know him. If they knew him they wouldn't hate him. They just don't like the fact that he now has popularity in something they've done forever. And I think that might be it. And for me I'm new into the running community, the real like marathon running community, and I get it. There is a old school tradition of this is how you do it and there are rules and you follow those rules, Like I get it. But at the same time, people truly are just trying to capitalize on the fact that, like ding dong the witch is dead, and like beating a dead horse all the different metaphors you can come up with and it's unfair. I think he has paid the price getting banned from a major for life the only yeah, come on, give me a break.
Speaker 1:29 like don't even start, like I'll probably never get to new york city marathon now, but I, the truth is like give me a break. Uh, all lifelong band. You know, the only people that have been banned lifelong are people that cheat, that, that took taxis to the finish, like they're. They're like three documented things of people like deciding to just finish with the elites right and they cheated the whole system. Yeah, they're banned for, like give me a break and if any other sponsors drop them. Like I'll never buy anything from you again. Like you don't know, matt troy, if you do that, like, give me a break. So I'm gonna say all that. I I'll get off my soapbox because I love the guy, but uh, he got what he. He got, he got the ultimate punishment right.
Speaker 2:You know he'll never be able to run new york city again and this is the thing about social media, about how this stuff works is the loudest voices. It's not a majority, it's a very loud, obnoxious minority who, at some point, just to appease these fucking people like New York Marathon, has to. Oh, why does he need to have a lifetime ban? No reason, right, you took his time away.
Speaker 1:He took his personal best out. His PR is gone. Like he can't qualify for Boston based on it Right. Like it's crazy.
Speaker 2:So you know, you made an example of him on social media and in the news and all that kind of stuff. So the only reason you do that is because you're overreacting. And this is still kind of like connected to that cancel culture mentality, where it's like the moment we get people that won't let shit go. A company has to distance themselves, an organization has to distance them so much they overreact yeah, they cancel the person.
Speaker 1:Now I I will tell you. Okay, there's a few things. First of all, if there was somebody that was hurt or entreated on like that sucks, I'm sorry, I don't know of any sort. Like I saw a comment of somebody saying, hey, I was one of the people that your brother accidentally hit, like I'm cool, I DM'd you, like they're not trying to make a big deal, they're just trying to like, hey, you know, this happened. So that, as far as I know, isn't really a thing. So I can't really take that. So if somebody was hurt, somebody was hit all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I get it.
Speaker 1:That's a totally different issue, like that's totally different the way the comments are, and the way that the hate is coming from has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with like I knew it. I hate influencers like him. He's the worst Give me a break, guys.
Speaker 2:He just becomes the worst thing about this whole influencer culture. It has nothing to do with Matt. It has nothing to do with what he represents or who he is. He becomes the thing that you want to knock down Absolutely.
Speaker 1:And he gets. I mean New York Times, e Entertainment, people Magazine, everybody did an article on this and that's not how you want to. He said it in his documentary like a 12-minute thing which you need to check out on YouTube. That's not how he wanted to be on these things. He always envisioned that this would be a thing, but, like now, it's because of negativity, like how you impact and feel that.
Speaker 2:So the last thing I want to say is, as you're listening to this, ask yourself do you think this was the first time this ever happened? No, no.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:It's happened before.
Speaker 1:From who?
Speaker 2:It's been okay. There's not the first time that somebody's filmed a runner in a marathon.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's true.
Speaker 2:Now, sure, it's a major, so it's a little bit more high stakes. Yeah, I mean this not from the top, but from some aspect.
Speaker 1:He was on a panel at New York City Marathon. They know what he does.
Speaker 2:I'm going to go on and on and on. I'm going to go deeper and deeper. He didn't sneak onto the course with his bike.
Speaker 1:Here's the problem with what I have found with the running community, because I love the running community. I have felt embraced.
Speaker 1:That's your people, no matter what size, no matter what shape you are, they bring you in. This has been, I think, the ugly side of the running community, of get off my lawn, of the Karens, of those people that are just like they just want to tell Matt to F off anyway. So they're going to do that, so cool, do that. But he is the reason that I got into marathons Like he is the reason that a lot of people started running, because he made it look cool. He made you feel positive. He meets you where you're at. I've run with Matt. I could barely keep up. I was huffing and puffing, and did he make me feel like crap because I couldn't keep up with him? No, he made me feel like this is all a part of it, man, wherever you're at. So I'm kind of done with like I probably won't run in a major again. I ran Chicago, which is a major. It just made me feel so sad for the running community because of how they've just piled on. It's too much.
Speaker 2:You know, maybe he is the Shane Gillis of the, of the running.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know.
Speaker 2:And if you don't know, the, reference shane gillis was canceled but uh, right before he got he got snl. And then, right before his first debut, and on snl, he, they, they fired him for some old, you know, podcast that he did, you know, several years ago, where he said a word out of context or whatever.
Speaker 2:He's a comedian and so and so you know this kind of idea like we, you know you, we have to write the world by by, like coming down super hard on somebody who you know, who maybe in that moment made a kind of overarching mistake and not understanding, like, what he's doing and how that might impact other people, but like nobody's I mean, the police weren't stopping him, the volunteers weren't stopping Nope, nobody in the moment of the three hours it took him to run the marathon, or the two days that he was there before, like, oh yeah, literally Filming and all this hype.
Speaker 1:Here's the other thing, here's the other thing All those running clubs that, like he popped into, he just does out of the kindness of his heart, right, and he brings his hype Like yeah it's crazy.
Speaker 1:I mean, maybe there's some that he does Like I don't know the context of his business, but I know that he does a lot of that because friends of just like he interviewed with us four weeks ago, like that was a favor, because he knows me right, like there's a lot of things to it that I'm just like I'm disgusted by the running community but I'm also like he gets it. He didn't like all the things I'm saying. He's never said he is like I accept it.
Speaker 2:I understand. I I have to be clear. None of this stuff is what Matt's saying behind the scenes. This is just the way we feel he's.
Speaker 1:he's like I left up and it's on me, I was selfish, all those things like he did the thing that he needs to do and I've never seen a more genuine apology and I saw the comments like I hope this is genuine f you guys. Yeah, I'm pissed yeah personally, and this, the reason that we didn't launch this last week was because this was all the stuff that was happening.
Speaker 2:We planned on launching it on Tuesday of last week, when all this stuff hit because I didn't want to capitalize on the fact that Matt is in the news.
Speaker 1:He's in all these like that's. That's not the point. He's, first and foremost, my friend and I support him. Yeah, he might have made a mistake. He got punished. Move on Like give me a break, a break, reddit. Seriously. I read all the reddits. Yeah, give me a break reddit.
Speaker 2:Yeah, get a life, get out of your mom's basement and it's a little too much I'm getting a little worked up my my hope for all this is it just like shane gillis? Five years from now, matt choi is asked to come lead the new York marathon as the pace guy in the front and there's some sort of like you know empathetic, or just moment of like, where everything is like Okay, it went too much, let's create unity.
Speaker 2:You know, we kind of decided to cancel you a little bit here, and now we realize we went too far Because you know, know, it's easy to slap somebody on the wrist.
Speaker 1:He, he should have got a slap on the wrist right yeah on some level and he said it and yeah, absolutely, and he owns that.
Speaker 2:But I think the lifetime ban and some of the other things that came from it.
Speaker 1:It's too much, and I think the hate is too much, the negative comments are too much, and I think you're right. I think we ultimately come to that point that it will all come together and we're good.
Speaker 2:I think let's let's finish with our favorite moment from the interview what do you think? What's yours?
Speaker 1:Ah, that's a great question, um I I love to hear Matt's heart of why he got in it, because coming from a D one athlete football, he was successful. Coming from a D1 athlete football, he was successful. How did you get here? And hearing that he just put content out nonstop for a year without any benefit just shows me that just his determination and his focus on success and winning that's what I like the most, I think.
Speaker 2:How about you inning? That's? That's what I like the most, I think. How about you? Uh, yeah, I really love the, the just tangible, like tips on, like keeping your ankles oh, that's true.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's good. I've been doing that now yeah, I mean, I think a lot of run.
Speaker 2:I've talked to so many people that are runners that are like dude, I've got plantar fasciitis, I've got shin splints, my calves are, my achilles is fired up like, and just understanding how to do those proactive things before, after, in, you know, in between runs to keep your, you know your muscles and tendons on.
Speaker 1:It's funny After that interview I went to my wife because my wife manages our gym at our house, because she's built it.
Speaker 2:She was big into weightlifting. I didn't want to have a thing to do with it. Back then I was like do we have a foam roller? She's like actually, yeah, I've been waiting for you to find that thing for two years.
Speaker 1:Well, I appreciate you, brother. Yeah, thank you guys for listening watching.
Speaker 2:Please like, subscribe and share hey and watch the Tyson fight tonight. Come on, now have some fun.
Speaker 1:Put some money on Tyson because he's going to win in five.
Speaker 2:And, by the way, in the show notes I'm going to put links to A the New York City Marathon documentary that Matt Choi did and the. Leadville 100 documentary that he did also. So those are both available on YouTube, so links will be in the show notes here.
Speaker 1:And that's exactly how he is in real life.
Speaker 2:So those are both available on YouTube, so links will be in the show notes here, and that's exactly how he is in real life, so you can get a good visual of what he is like.
Speaker 1:So then, follow a dude.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. Thanks so much for listening. We love you. Do you love people?
Speaker 1:now. I love people, not just your wife. I love everybody. Oh, he's back. Especially people like and subscribe.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, if you like and subscribe, you get a big virtual hug from.
Speaker 1:Mitch. Yeah, that's about it.