The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
The hosts Mitch and Bart discuss fitness, fatherhood, and guy stuff to help men live a great life, have fun, laugh, and get a little more fit in this weekly Podcast.
The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
The Hidden Cost of Six-Pack Abs at 40 years old and the End of an Era for Bart
Bart announces his retirement from boot camp training after a decade, reflecting on the community built and lives changed through fitness programs. The guys explore the challenges of getting visible abs at 40 and debate what sacrifices are worth making for fitness goals.
• Bart is retiring from Camp Gladiator boot camps after 10+ years of training
• Final workout celebration happening Saturday, May 31st at Austin Oaks Church
• Mitch and Bart met through these boot camps, creating a lasting friendship
• Cam Haines' book "Undeniable" is now a New York Times bestseller
• Getting visible abs requires eating less food, not necessarily more ab exercises
• Abs become visible at different body fat percentages: upper abs at 16-17%, full six-pack at 12-13%
• The key question: what are you willing to sacrifice for fitness goals?
• Four elements of success mindset: drive, focus, confidence, and purpose
• External motivation (looking good for an event) vs. internal motivation (deeper purpose)
• Finding balance between fitness goals and other life priorities is essential
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Welcome to DadBods and Dumbbells. My name is Mitch.
Speaker 2:And I'm Bart.
Speaker 1:Thanks so much for listening, liking, subscribing. We're so glad you're with us today. We'd like to thank our sponsors of our show.
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Speaker 1:LiftBig EatBig If you want to look your best, be your strongest, go to LiftBig EatBigcom, check it out. And Solutions Pharmacy If you are losing your hair, if you are gaining weight and can't keep it off and if your pee pee doesn't work, solutions Pharmacy is your solution to all those things. I only need two of those three things. You guess which two? All right, and today's show. We're going to talk about a few things that we have going on. First and foremost, we have some life things that have happened and I want Bart to update us on a few things. We have a couple literary things that are coming up that have happened and I want Bart to update us on a few things. We have a couple literary things that are coming up that have happened and that are coming up in the future I want to talk about. And also I'm going to ask Bart how do I get abs at 40? Visible abs, because I got tons of abs. They're just very not visible.
Speaker 2:Can I just say this one thing I will help you get abs, but I promise you your wife will not care, just a heads up I just want to give her a chance to not care, okay, yeah, it's just I care about it, but I'd like her an opportunity to go.
Speaker 1:You know what? I don't care about those, I just love you, and then I'll get fat again and it'll be fine.
Speaker 2:I think that's a swell idea. You think it's good?
Speaker 1:Let's for it so you had a couple things kind of closing the chapter on something that really kind of brought us together.
Speaker 2:So it's a big chapter closure for both of us actually I want to say 10 years ago, 10 and a half, maybe 11 years ago. Um, you and I met when I was running a boot camp with camp gladiator at aust Oaks.
Speaker 1:No, sorry, Austin Ridge.
Speaker 2:Heartbreak Ridge, we called it.
Speaker 1:Heartbreak.
Speaker 2:Ridge, austin, ridge, southwest Church Really fun moment in that where we had this big field before everybody started parking on it and making big holes in the dirt. But yeah, it's this big, beautiful field, shady from the trees, sun going down, it's so nice. And Mitch came out and just started knocking people over and just winning all the events and just being.
Speaker 1:It was a pivotal part.
Speaker 2:I mean, he was literally the pastor with a youth pastor. So I thought, man, this guy's a softie, he's a sweetheart.
Speaker 1:I was soft, but I wasn't a softie. He was not a softie.
Speaker 2:He knocked over old ladies to get to the goal.
Speaker 1:That was one time. Don't stop talking about it. She was in my way, she was in your way, she was on my team.
Speaker 2:It was lions, and gazelles, and he just plowed her over and the lions ate her instead of him.
Speaker 1:She was not good.
Speaker 2:She was not good, Rayanne. I'm really sorry.
Speaker 1:That was not Rayanne. Rayanne's not old.
Speaker 2:She was never old All right, but anyway, that was a long time ago. But that started this whole friendship and I have decided. It's taken me a lot of thinking to figure out when was the right time to step away, not for any reason other than I'm 50. I feel like the boot camp world has run its course for me, but I didn't want to just drop my clients and just make people feel like I was abandoning. So I've got two trainers coming on board to take over my locations and my son's graduating from Mills Elementary, which is where one of my camps is. So it just felt like the right time at the end of May to kind of like pass the torch say goodbye and do it right.
Speaker 2:And so, yeah, we're about a week and a half away from the end, and what's cool is, uh, not this saturday, but next saturday. Well, when this comes out, it'll be this coming saturday, the 31st. Uh, I'm going to do a final saturday boot camp workout where we're at the austin oaks church not austin ridge not austin ridge, austin oaks, right there in southwest austin, right by the, the target, and just invite everybody to come out and get a killer workout. I'm going to bring as much equipment. Do like kind of an obstacle course kind of thing.
Speaker 2:Just have a lot of fun with it.
Speaker 1:That's cool.
Speaker 2:So anyone listening to this feel free to pop in. It's 8 to 9 am Saturday, the 31st, at Austin Oaks Church 31st.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is a Saturday, it's not this.
Speaker 2:Saturday. It's the following Write that down.
Speaker 1:I'll try to come. That'd be fun. That'd be a good way to end of an era. In fact, if you're not there, I'll be quite offended, as long as you don't try to sign me up for Camp Gladiator again.
Speaker 2:you always found a way to get time. You came out.
Speaker 1:I appreciate that. You know why. That is why?
Speaker 2:Because I knew I was leaving. I'm not going to sign you up and then drop you like a bad habit.
Speaker 1:I would have signed you up and dropped you. That's what I would have done. That's how I roll. That means a lot.
Speaker 2:Where else in your life does that show up?
Speaker 1:Let's talk more about that I thing about Camp Gladiator and this was, you know, the reason I started doing it was, um, it was during Christmas time I was helping, you know, mark Adams, the campus pastor there, who I saw recently. He's the best and he's like looks kind of jacked like he's been lifting pretty good yeah, he's probably is you know, that's the way it is all hopped up on peptides no, not Mark. Anyway, all that to say.
Speaker 2:Uh, we were how I was helping him God's juice, helping him pull out all the Christmas supplies for the church.
Speaker 1:Because, we were a small staff so it was like all hands on deck and I get a couple up in the attic and down and I'm wheezing pretty good, and he's like Mitch, why are you breathing so heavy? I was like this is just how I breathe. He's like you need to see Bart at Camp Gladiator oh, what a guy.
Speaker 1:And so the next week I went to the Camp Gladiator session around my birthday because it was about that time and I was like huffing and puffing. It was horrible, but I was like, all right, I'm going to commit to this and it ended up being one of the best like year, year and a half experiences where I got in good shape. I felt pretty good about myself.
Speaker 2:You, you ended up doing a CG Games finals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got into the CG Games finals.
Speaker 2:I signed him up for CG Games, like I make everybody do. And then he did a 100-yard bear crawl, pulling a 100-pound sack with a Velcro strap around your waist.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was horrible. I did it in a minute. It was the worst experience of my life, but that got you.
Speaker 2:I think you were like 64th place or something like that. But they but you know they take the top 50, but a lot of people drop out. So there's a couple things that happened.
Speaker 1:And this is actually a really good question because it actually reminds me of the time where, the first time I ever felt like I was excellent at something, where I was throwing those sandbags oh yeah, you know, we had those big things and I'd get all these, the biggest one, I'd toss them so far and you'd sprint to them. You toss them and sprint them, you to them, and you're like, bro, that's not normal. And I was like, really, this is just how I am right. And you're like you should try CG games. And there was a couple of things that you showed me, like bear crawl with the sandbag, which was horrible. But there was this one where you'd do like a couple burpees and then you'd throw a sandbag. So those are like my two things.
Speaker 1:I was like, if I do these really, really well, I could be average at the other three events, which one was a mile run, one was something else, whatever. And I did one day I did them all. One morning I woke up and I did them all, which is crazy because usually I do one and then they come back for the next one, whatever. And I was like I saw all the rankings. I was like, ooh, I bet I can do it. I was never going to do the bear crawl again, but this one with the sandbag I was like I bet I could shave off 10 seconds, something like that. And sure enough, man my father-in-law came.
Speaker 2:I came back for that one event and I did it.
Speaker 1:I shaved off enough just to get close enough because I think I was not.
Speaker 2:I mean, 64th was close but I was close and then a couple people dropped off and I got into the top 50. Yeah, and because not everybody, I remember I remember during finals I was, I was judging one of the the big travel areas you had like bear crawl to here oh yeah, the traveling.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it was horrible and I think at one point you just turned to me and was like I hate this I'm so mad that I signed up the bear crawl jump, because you get to the point where you're doing it and you're like this is I'm not going to be good at this, yeah and I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm sucking wind and your body just starts like and there's so many people watching and I was like as long as I'm not last. Well, I was dead last, but by a mile. I mean it was so bad where people were cheering me on like good job, little buddy, as you come down the lane. But I started realizing about halfway through that I could do where you carry the five-gallon jugs and you pull them.
Speaker 2:I could do that really fast.
Speaker 1:So I did that a couple times to get my time down. And then at the last event there was a four-lap obstacle course that you had to do in under an hour. They had to do four laps. It was hard. I started realizing I did two laps, I was gassed, but people started dropping out. It was later in the day and I was like I bet if I just do one more lap I'm going to beat a ton of people. And sure enough, man. Do you remember my final rank? I ranked in the top 50 athletes in all of CG. I don't remember that 33.
Speaker 2:Really, yeah, you saw me do that stupid one 33 in the world, dude.
Speaker 1:But no, that was a formidable time for me and you always. It was always a community thing. I loved working out with you and I tried other trainers yeah, they were great, but not the same Like you just had an ability to do that. So I'm going to miss you, man.
Speaker 2:I'm never going to sign up again, but but, like it was a good time, I'm glad I got to know you yeah, I think I think it was a really and I think boot camps really were were like a special way for people to engage in fitness and, of course, like community yeah, and we really kind of cracked the code on how to do that. What really really well yeah, heartbreak ridge.
Speaker 1:Was that like we really built some never like uh hayley and christy uh ham yeah, sisters, yeah, they were so cool.
Speaker 2:They were like it was. There was just a really great like just core energy.
Speaker 1:You'd have like david true blood david, I see him all the time in south austin too. I mean, just like these, like we'd have these massive.
Speaker 2:I remember my 40th birthday party at uh yeah, at the jack allen's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got so drunk I don't remember that. That's not a, that's not a shiny moment with bart. With bart, it's like one beer and he is over. He's his body.
Speaker 2:I remember like a couple clients showed up for just like a few minutes like hey, take a shot with me. I'm like okay then, they walk off and somebody walks up and like hey, I bought your beer.
Speaker 1:I didn't stay for that, but I did enjoy. I remember you did 40 burpees on your 40th birthday.
Speaker 2:Yeah, as people like passed around. I remember getting like 200 and something dollars. It's like people just donated money.
Speaker 1:It was just like a just a.
Speaker 2:You know you could tell, just like the, the, the, everyone just felt great about being a part of it. It was just, it was a really special thing.
Speaker 1:One of the guys who worked out there his name is Mark, I forget his last name, but he. I was looking for houses to rent because it was so impossible to find anything. We had a kid, we're going to have a second one and I found this house on Facebook and it was like you have to jump on everything, and so I ran over there, texted him. He's like, yeah, I'll be here and whatever I go there. And it's Mark, the guy from CG, and he was like I'm holding it for you, you want it, it's yours. Wow, and like stuff like that is like it's just a really cool community piece. It's one thing I haven't found since, you know. So I'm appreciative, you did it. It was great to.
Speaker 1:I'm glad we're friends because of it and uh and I've I've made a lot of friends along the way, so good job. I'm glad it's over or I'm sad it's over.
Speaker 2:Well, yeah, I mean it's, it's, it's. It's a bittersweet thing, because you know I'm going to miss it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I'm not going to miss waking up at four 45, but I am going to miss the people that I went out to train in Dripping Springs at five, 30, you know, yeah, but that that commute is just killing me is at Mills Elementary and we're in the shade, but it's still 100 degrees. Yeah, it's a lot. It's all those little things that you're just like. I don't know if I can do one more season. You get one week off.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I get it, I get it for sure. Well, that's cool, I'm glad that's over. But I just got done with early May. Cam Haines' book lists. New York times bestseller. Usa did a bestseller, wall street journal bestseller. Uh, we did a whole media tour in Austin. He doesn't do a ton of media but he'll do Rogan, which was cool. Um then he did Nick bears podcast and Chris Willicks. Uh, williamson no-transcript. We see all the time that are just undeniable in whatever way they are, and so it's a good book to read, so check it out.
Speaker 2:But, um, you know, got to go to the Rogan show who does the, who does the prep, like the preface, or the or the, like you know, he kind of always has like oh, andrew Huberman did this forward, oh he did the forward.
Speaker 1:This time it was good. I mean he's a, he's Huberman's a pro, um, but uh, yeah, so it was good book. We Rogan Nick's podcast. But you know Nick's his book's coming out, going more here in June and it's going to be even bigger. You know it's going to be a huge book. So they were all kind of holding their books together so he'll be on Cam's podcast and it's like a podcast trade, yeah.
Speaker 1:But anyway it went really well. Everything's successful. Good for him. I'm proud of him. Hopefully he's got another book in him somewhere. You know that'd be really cool. But hopefully he's got another book in him somewhere. You know that'd be really cool. But this book I really liked a lot because it's a little bit more like okay, once you've reached the pinnacle, what now? What's next? And it's a really good preface and then Nick's book's coming out in June. So I'm heading to New York next week to do live with Kelly and Mark and then end of the month of June we're going to New York for like a week to do like today's show, good morning America, fox news, all the all the morning shows.
Speaker 2:Cause you have to go, like Fox and friends. Fox and friends, I can't wait to see you. Will you be on? I will not be on the show. I'm on the behind the scenes guy I. I just handle whatever he needs me to handle, you know. So it'll be a lot of fun. You're blonde, you can't be on the show.
Speaker 1:You have to. I think you have to do like a vow of, of something too, like you have to sell your soul or something like that. I'm not sure anyway it'll be fun. We got a lot of stuff coming up, but that's what's going on, uh, with game's book and and nick's book's coming up, so that's really cool. But one thing that I've been noticing with all of these athletes I've been hanging out with which has been awesome is I may have like extreme strength, like you know. Whatever you call my strength Retard strength.
Speaker 2:Yeah, no, you can't say that. No, you can't say that. Silverback strength. How about silverback strength?
Speaker 1:Gorilla strength, something like that. Yes, I may have extreme strength, but it's hard to show it when all these guys around you have six packs and they're like fricking six minute mile runs, and for 200 miles. So what I want to know, Bart, my trainer, my leash wait, I'm your leash something like that. Whatever trainer, Bart, how do I get visible 40 year old? 40 years old, how do I get visible abs?
Speaker 2:Yeah, what do I got to do? So first thing, perspective. You're closer to your youth than you are to old age, so calm down with the 40.
Speaker 1:Okay, All right. 50-year-old.
Speaker 2:I would trade a lot of things to a 40-year-old body right now in terms of how close my 40-year-old body but anyway. So here's what semiglutides and ozempic has taught us.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:You lose weight by eating less food.
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:Ozempic makes you eat less food because you're not hungry. Correct. It stops the need to overfill ourselves with caloric you know like caloric deficit so we, biologically, we are kind of predisposed to be in a caloric surplus because you know, survival whether you believe that we were around 10 000000 years. The ancestors of our people didn't have a lot of food, had to kill a woolly mammoth.
Speaker 2:Once that happened, then I mean I don't know if this fits with the biblical story of Adam and Eve, we're not talking about that, but my point is that, like our bodies are really good at storing food as fat you know, extra calories of fat and then utilizing that at times of famine or starvation, so um so we also. That part of that is the food drive, and so a lot of people have a very high food drive. I also have a very high food drive, so if I am not exercising, yeah and actively thinking about not eating as much food as as I want to.
Speaker 2:I will gain weight, yeah, and it will not be good weight, because I just have a high gain weight in it. I mean you get body fat mine's.
Speaker 1:Where does it come though? Mine's always boobies stomach. Mine's always front. I'm a front heavy guy yeah I don't distribute it.
Speaker 2:Well, it's fine everybody has a different like tendency, just based on genetics, uh, but anyway. So yeah, the whole point of talking about ozempic semi-glutide, it's just that the way to lose weight is to eat less food. The way to get a six pack is to eat less food until you have a six pack.
Speaker 2:It's not to do like you already have a six pack underneath your belly fat. It's already there. When I got ready for my show, I did no abs, I did not stand, I did not sit in the gym and do 30 minutes of crunches and sit-ups and leg raises. In fact, my trainer didn't want me doing any oblique abs because he didn't want me to grow any thicker around my waist. He want because he knew, just based on my, my frame, that if I get all the body fat off, the abs underneath are gonna look awesome. And they did. People were oh my god, your abs are incredible. Yes, because I had no body fat and there they were ding and I got a tan and they came out even more because when you're tan it looks better. So that goes. That just all goes to say yes, exercise, great, but you can't outrun a diet, right.
Speaker 1:That's good.
Speaker 2:And the problem is, the more we run and exercise and work out, the hungrier and hungrier we get, because our body is like oh, my. God, I need food, and so it's almost harder to lose weight when you're running in the morning and doing strength training, because you're just feeding that, that food drive, and so it's very hard to eat at a deficit.
Speaker 2:over and over, and over and over again versus like if you just tried to lose weight, yeah, by eating less. So it's a six, you know to 12 month process to lose enough weight where you'd look like what percentage of body fat are you looking I?
Speaker 2:mean you start seeing abs around 16 percent, 17, six depends on kind of where you'd look like what percentage of body fat are you looking? I mean you start seeing abs around 16, 17, 6 depends on kind of where you hold the most fat. Yeah, but you're you can probably see the upper abs popping, popping about 16, 17 percent. Um, you start getting down to like 13, 12 percent. You're starting to see like a pretty good uh six pack and then, of course, 10%. You look amazing.
Speaker 1:What percentage is a good percentage and easier to maintain? To maintain visible, because once you have the abs, is it easy to keep the abs. Or is it one of those things that is just an endless struggle of like I'm always gonna be hungry for the rest of my life?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's one of those things where everybody's also everyone's different. Some people that are more predisposed to like wanting their bodies want to carry a little bit more body fat it might be excruciatingly hard to maintain 10% body fat.
Speaker 2:There are people that have a very high metabolism, have a hard time building muscle and getting stronger, but they can maintain a very low level body fat easily without much work. You know, kids tend to be, you know, especially like boys that are really like active, like they can eat just a lot of calories and just never look like they're even gaining weight, much less like showing any body fat, because they're just it's like their metabolism is just burning and it's constantly moving. So it's just everybody's different. You've got to know yourself.
Speaker 2:I found that for me I couldn't get stronger. At 10% to 12% body fat I looked great. But if I wanted to like, if your goal is just to look good all the time, then you sacrifice like, hey, I'm pretty strong, I've got some muscle, I look good naked and I'm just strong, I've got some muscle, I look good naked and I'm just gonna ride that out and I'm gonna do. You know a bunch of cool stuff that I can post on Instagram and people would be like, oh wow, mitch is so ripped right. But if you actually want to progress and get stronger you know you want you have to have some bulk. You know they say you got to have mass to move mass, like if you weigh 240 pounds you're gonna be able to lift more than if you weigh 200 pounds at 10 body fat. Yeah, it's just, it's just reality, uh. But people would be more impressed with you at 200 pounds with a six-pack, even though you'll be significantly weaker than you are at 240 pounds.
Speaker 2:It really really gets down to what's your ideal self. Is the best version of you 225, can bench 330, deadlifts 480, squats 360? Or is it the 200-pound version of you at 11% body fat, but you're wiped out all the time? You have no body fat, but you know you're. You're wiped out all the time. You have no energy but you look amazing.
Speaker 1:I mean, I prefer the look amazing one.
Speaker 2:Well, here's the thing whatever we don't have we want. Right, the grass is greener. So if you're, if you, if you're somebody who's been overweight a lot in your life, you're always going to want, like the oh my god, to have a six-pack to look. But if you're somebody who's, like, worked really hard and kept that for a while, you get a little tired of the fact that you're just going to the gym and you're not getting stronger. You're not really getting stronger. You might push a little bit more weight but that will eventually lead to injury because you're not feeding yourself enough food to be in a surplus to allow your body to take that surplus of food and build more tissue. Right, if we're constantly at a deficit, deficit, deficit, so we can look a certain way. You know it's it's, it's a, it's just hard, it's a hard you know equation to kind of figure out now when people are really young.
Speaker 2:You know you have so much like growth hormone, testosterone. Somebody that kind of it can kind of override. And there's definitely people that are like probably in their 40s and 50s, that are on a lot of you know hormones and peptides and you know growth I mean whatever that that have probably figured out how to maintain a lean physique and get, get more, build more muscle, because they're putting a whole bunch of shit in their body. But if that's not what you want to do, then you just have to understand that you can't be all things. The brilliant mind can't probably also be the perfect athlete. The athlete can't necessarily be the poet. Yeah, like you have to invest your like life into like you know where am I going to put my end time and energy? You want to be a great dad and, like, help your daughter with her finals. You can't go to the joe rogan show you can't, you can't do, you can't do.
Speaker 2:Kill Tony, right, you have to make choices right. And if you're going to have a Texas Whiskey Festival and drink whiskey and make that one of your badges of something you love to do, you probably can't have a six-pack and be a 10% body fat.
Speaker 1:You don't think I can drink whiskey and have a six-pack, though it's going to be tough. Why? Because whiskey is so light.
Speaker 2:Oh, and have a six pack, though it's going to be tough. Why? Because whiskey is so light, oh gosh. No, it's not.
Speaker 1:Why.
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:You're telling me I'm going to have to give up whiskey to get a six pack.
Speaker 2:Not necessarily. I mean, like, calories are calories, so you can eat less food, which means less protein. So just so you can account for the calories you're going to get from drinking whiskey, which of course messes up your sleep, not recovering as well wake up tired the next day.
Speaker 1:Makes me sleep, baby, it's like melatonin, so OK.
Speaker 2:So I've said a lot, but my point is, I mean, I think one of the things that helps men I won't speak for women, for men is like we need purpose, right yeah, families give it purpose, jobs get us purpose, making money or, or, you know, writing a book, all those things can give us purpose. Getting a six pack can give you purpose. Yeah. So if you get like super driven like, I'm gonna get a six-pack by, you know, october 31st fantastic july 1st.
Speaker 2:No, he's like I'm gonna be superman for halloween and I'm gonna have my six-pack ripping through my tight superman shirt. Okay then, if that is your goal, then you gotta like. Then you gotta set yourself up like how do I get there? Yeah, how much, how many pounds do I need to lose between now and that time, you know, in order to do it, and then you kind of kind of back reverse engineer it and figure out, like you know all the details. Yeah, you know, if you want to bench 400 pounds by october 31st.
Speaker 1:It's a totally different journey already got it and you done okay, 100 baby well I there was a guy that one time told me that there's me, that you can only pick three. There's five main priorities. We've got fitness, job, friends, family, and maybe it's four and you pick two.
Speaker 2:What about Christianity?
Speaker 1:I mean just like normal things.
Speaker 2:So if you're going to be a good family man, you can't always go out with friends, so being a Christian is not normal.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just talking about, like damn dude, what are you trying to do?
Speaker 2:Family. If you're listening to this, really you might want to give Mitch a call. I've got to remember the five things. Son of a bitch.
Speaker 1:Fitness, family, friends, work.
Speaker 2:And there's a fifth one pussy dude, you're the worst I'm saying that would just contradict at some point you have to pick.
Speaker 1:You can't have all things. You can't be good at all of these things. You have to. You have to pick. Is it going to be fitness? Is going to be friends? Is it going to be family? Are you going to pick family or fitness? Are you going to pick? Is it going to be fitness? Is it going to be friends? Is it going to be family? Are you going to pick family or fitness? Are you going to pick your family and your friends? There's three. You can only pick two of the three type things. Right?
Speaker 2:If you try to do them all, you just end up failing, or you're not good at any of them. No, you're either going to let your friends down at some point.
Speaker 1:You be a bad father, you're going to be a bad husband, you're going to be a bad, you're going to be fat, like there's just a lot of things that go to it. So in in, what we're looking at is like if, if I decide that I want to get a six pack, what of those things do I have to eliminate completely? And I think a lot of that is like well, I, I still want to be a great family man, I still need to work, so I have to get rid of my friends, or I can't hang out as much, or you know those types of things. So there's a level of you can't. You got to pick two of the three, or you got to pick three of the five, and if your fitness is a priority, then your family's going to hurt because you're gone all the time, or your work's going to prevent because you're working out two, three times a day type thing, work's going to prevent because you're working out two, three times a day, type thing.
Speaker 1:So what is it going to be?
Speaker 2:That's not true, dude, not for a guy that's fitness professional, no, but like somebody can be fit by working out three days a week for 45 minutes and just eating really well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but that's fitness. That takes a full part of your mind.
Speaker 2:That takes time and effort, but you don't. You don't necessarily have to be away from your family to eat. Well, yeah, but what if you guys go out to dinner? What if you have pizza Friday night?
Speaker 1:Every restaurant has a chicken sandwich there is still a decision and a choice you have to make, and the reality is one of those things has to be eliminated or one of those things has to lose in the process. And so what is it going to be? A lot of people choose fitness as the loss right. That's why we're obese country. That's why I let myself go for so long Like that is just something that I didn't prioritize, it wasn't a part of my life.
Speaker 2:I saw a post today that said in quotes I love my family, I would die for my family. And then it already said yeah, but would you get healthy for your family?
Speaker 1:yeah, did you work out for your family? Would you eat better for your?
Speaker 2:family like, like you know, we're so it's so easy to say some like idiotic comment like I would die.
Speaker 1:But will you just show up, right? How are you showing up and like being healthy and not?
Speaker 1:dying at 68 from a heart attack because you're a dumbass you know, waking up early and being present for your family when you need to be, I think there's a there's a level of yeah, yeah it, you're, you're, you're approaching from the mindset of discipline. You've been disciplined your whole life. This is just a part of who you are. This is your DNA. But you can't go out with your friends every night, or you can't go out on the weekends.
Speaker 2:I totally agree with that. Like I I'm, I limit the amount of friends that I, that I interact with. Yeah, you know, like, whether that's just on the phone, like phone calls, or you know people I do stuff with, you're in the circle.
Speaker 1:Well, I appreciate that You're in the circle.
Speaker 2:But also a lot of times it's a very small circle. I feel that because you're very hard to love. I had a recent guy just left the circle.
Speaker 1:Really, Our boy, oh no, oh man that's a bummer.
Speaker 2:I just saw him too, Did you yeah?
Speaker 1:That's a bummer, because he's a. I think it's hard because there I am. You talk about a circle, right? I kind of have so many differences. Did I get you? I'm going to have to edit this one. You're being very polarizing today, bart, and I'm usually the polarizer. Okay, I think that's. The other thing too is the friends aspect too. I have so many different friends in different circles that it's honestly difficult to connect with every single one of them on a consistent basis, if I want to have a job if I want to actually spend time with my family, and it becomes almost impossible to not limit the circle.
Speaker 1:And that's it's not a bad thing. I don't think to eliminate those people always. It's just what kind of energy are you expending? What kind of energy are they expending back? I think we can always agree on a few things. Maybe not everybody can, but I want my marriage to succeed.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Number one.
Speaker 2:Well, obviously I want you want your kids to turn out to be? Yeah, I want my kids to be good humans Like.
Speaker 1:So those are my two, so what's my third? And I think that's where it's difficult Six pack. Well, that's what I love, that you and I are starting to do, and I want to do more of it as working out together, like that is a good way to connect, that is a good way to maintain friendships and we're getting healthy at the same time. And you're doing something that I look at and I'm like I want to be better at this and so it strives me to be better. So it's a friendship. It scratches the itch of friendship, but it also scratches the itch of like I want to be better and not to overuse this term or to take it from Cam's book, but to be undeniable. What does that mean to you? To be somebody that is different? And I came up with like four things that really made me realize okay, there's four things that everybody that does something with excellent discipline, somebody that really focuses Now I know it started out how do I get six packs at 40?
Speaker 1:But I think there's four things that I've identified that people that are truly successful and focused they have. One of those is drive. I mean they're driven for whatever thing it is. Another one is hold on, I'll pull it out. It's my notebook. I came up with this this morning. Now, this is not innovative in any way. Mitch is whipping it out right now.
Speaker 1:Oh, his notebook now, oh, his notebook. Wow, I thought it was something else. You are just a degenerate right now. Okay, uh, it's about mindset, okay, okay. So I think, in any mindset that you have whatever, whatever that looks like, and this is why I asked about the 40 year old virgin, the 40 year old abs is virgin.
Speaker 1:My abs are virgins because they've never been seen. Uh is the mindset is. The first is the drive pushing towards goals without hesitation. That drive, for a lot of people, I've never seen, I've never experienced that yeah, there's been some things, there's been moments, but that pushing towards something, without the hesitation of going well, what about? Or what if somebody says something, or what if somebody thinks this about me? It's that drive.
Speaker 1:The second one is focus. Everything is put through the drive filter. How will X, Y and Z thing affect my goal? That's why everybody's kind of been big on a sober, no alcohol. It's like what good is it? It's a poison. And how does that affect? It's all about the filter. Like, I'm not, like, hey, you should go on the sober train, you should go on the don't be sober train or you should go on whatever. It's about the filter to which we filter all these pieces through and how does it affect our ultimate goal? The third one is confidence. I think that everybody I know has unfiltered confidence of themselves, of what they're doing, of why they're doing it and of the ultimate goal, of where they're going.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and that comes from purpose. Yeah, if you really know where you're going. Hey, the fourth one Purpose.
Speaker 1:Purpose yeah, you got ahead of me, I love it Is the purpose is, why are we doing it? And I think it's the why that ultimately drives everything through the mindset. Because I've been trying to figure out in my life because you know me for so long, like I've had 50 different things going on. I can I can have six different phone calls and they're all about six different industries that I'm I'm dabbling in or trying to figure out. But what would it look like if I focused on one thing and I I made that the drive and the focus of what I wanted to be, and I think that for me, kind of in circles, that I think abs, I think fitness are things that are easy and tangible easy in quotes, are tangible things to see results.
Speaker 1:I think we're hesitant men in general are hesitant to push or drive towards something that they believe in, because there are some times where it's not a tangible thing, it's not a bank account, it's not a six pack abs, it is something that that keeps us from more and we won't realize the, the end result until we're dead or long gone, or even into our old age, where it's like, ah, I wish I would have done that. Or the, the, the epiphany of. That's why I did that and if we could harness that, I think if we can harness the mindset side, the drive side, and really figure out why we do what we do every decision easier. It's the same reason Steve Jobs only wore one outfit his whole life is because one less decision to make, they always said. I have one less decision to worry about. It's black turtleneck, it's the black pants right? I think it's having a mindset of such drive and focus of what I want to be, who I want to be and what I want to accomplish will make everything else better, because we're not we're not making silly decisions on what.
Speaker 1:Should I go to kill Tony tonight? No, that was an easy decision because I have one focus I want to be there for my family. Yeah, it's okay to go have fun every once in a while, but the truth was that would actually hinder the things that I promised people I would do. Right, it'd be easy to break that promise. Oh sorry, baby, I'm busy or I have this thing I have to do, whatever.
Speaker 1:But it's that mindset that I really want to change. I've really been dealing with this for the last six months to a year of really trying to figure out how I shift that mindset, and I think the reason that I focus on fitness now, where I'm like, oh, I'm going to be a power lifter or I'm going to be a marathon runner, it's a distraction, you know, and it pulls me from what I really want to accomplish, which is you know what. I just want to worry about one less thing, and I'm worried about how I look with my shirt off. That's, that's a worry that's on my mind. Hey, summer's coming, going to the beach, I'm going to the lake, I'm doing all these things, and it'd be really nice to have to worry about that. Maybe that's one less thing I can worry about, so maybe that is the mindset change.
Speaker 2:Anyway, I like it.
Speaker 1:I like it that was not intended for this episode. I really was just going to joke around with you and you got really serious, bart and I turned it.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, you got. You got serious about it. I like it. I've just. I've been around the block a few times yes, I've had people not, you're not the first person to ask me how to get six-pack abs, you know I'll see you july 1st man, if you have six-pack guys by July 1st, I won't, I will what do it say?
Speaker 1:it say it mark.
Speaker 2:I will give you a thousand dollars no, I'm not motivated by money.
Speaker 1:Yes, I am. No, I'm not.
Speaker 2:Well, let's wrap this up because we this is this has been really good. I think a lot for people to digest. But yeah, I mean, I think you know the thing about it. It's kind of like you know, external motivation versus internal motivation. The external might be like oh, I've got a wedding in June, I want to look good for that. How do I lose 10 pounds? That's an external motivator. The key with using something like that is, you know, if you develop the internal motivation in the process of getting there fantastic.
Speaker 2:If you don't and you just show up there and you did lose 5 pounds and then you come back and you don't have any external motivation anymore and you just kind of gain it all back plus some. That's a miss Like, let's use anything like you know, hey, june, july 1st, I want to have a six pack. Okay, great, that doesn't. It doesn't really matter what that information is out there. If it motivates you and you can create some strong feelings about it that are going to help you get started, fantastic. But then getting started has to be creating a plan, creating daily habits, just deciding on how you're going to interact. When I, when I hired james, I said, james, I will do everything you tell me to every time.
Speaker 2:Right, I promise that, because otherwise, why are we doing this? Right, like I just it's not for me to sit there and, like, analyze what he's telling me to do and say, well, I don't know if I should do that because, like, I'm hiring him as an expert to help me get somewhere. Okay, I'm going to utilize his, his strategy, all the way through, I'm going to learn from it and I'm gonna do my best. Right, and, and you have to having a plan. And if a coach provides that plan for you, then use the coach's plan and get to get yourself where you want to be right, and that's, that's half the battle.
Speaker 2:If you don't have a plan, you don't have a framework or blueprint, you're just you're. You're just gonna like, do okay for a week. And then, you know, your buddies invite you to the uh, to like a concert, and you're gonna go in there and you're like, well, it wasn't, that, didn't have many emotions around, like it didn't matter that much. And then you go to the steakhouse and you order a couple of whiskeys and it's, you know, 2 in the morning and you're hanging out with the big dog, yeah, the whorehouse, good Lord, that's where we were going.
Speaker 2:No, it was not where I was going, but anyway, because those are the times where life gets really fun. Vacations those are the times you need to have an incredible emotional will that's connected to your goal. It's easy to have purpose when nothing else is going. It's like life is boring and kids are at school and you're just like I'm doing my thing. Right, that's easy. It gets hard is when life gets more interesting. There's more options. You got friends talking to you about like oh, we're all gonna go to this thing, we're gonna go tube the river and bring a big ice chest with a bunch of beers and you wanna come. That sounds awesome.
Speaker 1:I'd only do that if I had a six pack see, oh jeez, no, I love that.
Speaker 2:You won't have one for long if you go.
Speaker 1:Well, that is the. I mean that's very good point, the external into the internal motivation is we have to figure out a why yeah, and if we can do that, anything will be fine. And then we're not. We're not fair. If we fail at july 1st having a six-pack, it doesn't derail us like, oh, I didn't hit it, so it doesn't matter. If we have an internal motivation, if we have something that we can drive. That's the why then it doesn't really matter when it happens. It's going to happen and I think that's important.
Speaker 1:So, I appreciate it, brother.
Speaker 2:Hey, I love you man, thanks for listening.
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