The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
The hosts Mitch and Bart discuss fitness, fatherhood, and guy stuff to help men live a great life, have fun, laugh, and get a little more fit in this weekly Podcast.
The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
Dropping Kids at overnight Summer Camp and Shane Gillis at the ESPY's
We explore the delicate balance between protecting our kids and giving them independence as they grow. Mitch shares his experience of sending his 10-year-old son to an overnight soccer camp for the first time, sparking a deeper conversation about parenting anxieties and letting go.
• Comparing our more free-range childhood experiences to today's more protective parenting styles
• The value in allowing kids to experience appropriate levels of independence and failure
• How community with other parents helps calibrate our approach to protection versus freedom
• The importance of sports in teaching children how to handle both winning and losing
• Why constantly protecting kids from disappointment may inadvertently communicate they can't handle challenges
• Shane Gillis's controversial but authentic hosting of the ESPYs and what it represents
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Welcome to Dad, bods and Dumbbells. My name is Mitch.
Speaker 2:Hey, I'm.
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Speaker 1:So if you don't have a gym if you don't have a workout buddy. Like that we could have easily. I could have easily said no, but instead I'm like no, it was a two hour long workout. It wasn't short, but it was like this is an opportunity for us to spend some time together.
Speaker 2:I thought it was pretty cool. And the other thing, too, is just like having a spotter and having someone who, like, can either say yeah, you got this or like no dude, you don't need to go max out and like put the most weight possible on and try to like injure yourself.
Speaker 1:And it does help that you're a bookends on both sides. It does help that my workout buddy is also a professional trainer, so it does, it is.
Speaker 2:It supports me to watch my workout, buddy lifting like 60 pounds more than me on every lift.
Speaker 1:Like I was doing 385.
Speaker 2:on the deadlift, he's doing 435. Like, I'm doing 300 on squat, you're doing 365 or 370. You know, it was just like. It's always good to have like someone to look up to.
Speaker 1:Well, thanks, buddy, even though you're a foot taller than me.
Speaker 2:All right, let's get into it.
Speaker 1:Well, so we're in the midst of summer, it's the end of July.
Speaker 1:right now, this will probably come out tomorrow, right? So, currently towards the end of July, right now, this will probably come out tomorrow, right so, uh, currently towards the end of July, and we have spent, we spend the majority of our time trying to occupy our kids. You know, I got a 13 year old, I got a 10 year old, um, so we've done some overnight camps. My son just got back from a UT soccer overnight camp. It was his first one ever alone. You know, it was like they did. They've done overnight camps together where fiona and mcneely go together. Uh, of course they're in separate areas, but at least they have that security blanket.
Speaker 1:but this was like he is you're on your own kid he and they stayed in a dorm, uh, and they were bussed over to. And it's their responsibility to be up at seven for for time to go to the first session. They have to make sure that they have everything organized, everything set up. They have to get up when they like. They are fully responsible. And it was the first time where I was like genuinely concerned, not because my son's not responsible, but like he's my baby boy. He's 10 years old, really just turned 10. And I'm like, is this kid ready for this? And you know, I'm trying to tell him like, hey, make sure you do this. Yeah, dad, I got it. I got it. I got it. I'm like, oh, no, like we're going to get a call someday.
Speaker 1:He's like he got lost in downtown UT campus, some homeless man's taking him and what I found out was there was a situated, is it? It was the first time in my life where I was. I really genuinely hoped and not like security, was like, oh, I, he's, he's equipped to get there. I hope that I had equipped him well enough to be able to persevere, to be able to problem solve, to be able to deal with things that come at him when we're not around and I genuinely wasn't sure. I was concerned that I hadn't given him the tools that were necessary for him to be at a overnight camp by himself. I mean, he had two buddies from his team were there, but that's probably worse.
Speaker 2:You know, he's got his, his bros but I also think, like you know, your kid's not equipped. If you like, drop him off and he like hugs the front seat and like won't get out of the car.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But if he's like, hey, dad, I'll see you, and then grabs his bag and leaves the car like you probably equipped him because he's not going to be ready for what he's never experienced, yeah. And he's not going to have the courage to do something until he actually does it. Yeah, and learn.
Speaker 1:You get the courage after you do something hard, right?
Speaker 2:yeah, you know you get that's a great tough, and so we keep coddling our kids.
Speaker 1:Then we we never actually give them the opportunity to like rise up and like show themselves not even us show themselves, yeah that they are capable of handling things that are out, that aren't like in their general control yeah, I think you know we we talked about this when we were working out today is like, uh, we don't do sleepovers and that's because our whole generation my generation, not yours, cause you're a gen Z, X or maybe this was you a lot of millennials. When we were young, there were a lot of weird stuff that happened at overnight trips when you know the older brothers around, it's yeah.
Speaker 1:There's story after story after story, and so it's just been kind of adamant. Now we're good.
Speaker 2:Uh, and even with like male babysitters, like can we? Just not have like a 14 year old kid babysit Like anybody. Absolutely not, absolutely not.
Speaker 1:And so, yeah, we've been, I've been very strict about that. So I it's not like I go in with, cause I worked in children's youth ministry so I had to go through all the security checks. We've done all the trainings and you know, it's scary how much is out there that could hurt our children. And so we're almost, I think, millennials in general. Our kids are a lot more, we're a lot more scared for them, and we were. I mean, they hear stories like this all the time, but this is true, true, like we used to just leave the house and we come home and we were hungry. You know, we go over to our neighbor's house, my parents, I don't remember where my parents were.
Speaker 2:They were always around, but I never remember you know, it's like they weren't hanging out, they weren't watching everything.
Speaker 1:We were riding our bikes miles out away, finding paths and exploring, and, and at young ages. And you know, I look at that and I go.
Speaker 2:Well, my kids can't do that well and you live in dripping, which is like of all the like you know, the further away from the city you live, the more you feel like you have like a community that's watching your kids yeah you know, I think that's part. I mean, I grew up in a small college town, davis, california. Shout out to davis um you know where it's like.
Speaker 2:yeah, I, I remember going to having a sleepover at Andy Gresham's house His dad I was too loud, they had. We had like a tent in the back in the front yard that we were like sleeping in the front yard, not the back yard, and I was too loud. The dad kicked me home. It sent me home like four in the morning. I had to walk home he didn't call my parents to tell me.
Speaker 1:So I just like had a backpack and I walked around like like you know, a quarter of a mile down the block, around the corner to come home and that is like that's.
Speaker 2:That's the generation I grew up in, but it was like you know. You had this sense that, like you know, if you went off on a skateboard and you fell and hurt yourself, that person was going to figure out who your parent was and like let them know and they'd come, which happened to me.
Speaker 2:I went and I got mad at my parents and went off and like, skateboarded down the block at night and just like hit a rock, you just face planted and I don't even remember. I like walked to the, the door of the whatever the neighbor, closest neighbor was. I knocked on the door and I'm like and I just like, faces all bloody and they're like who's your dad?
Speaker 1:who's your mom? I'm, I'm like. I'm Mary, jo and Joel.
Speaker 2:And they called them and I don't remember any of it because I hit my head, but no concussion protocol.
Speaker 1:Wild young Bart man.
Speaker 2:But it was like those were expected kind of things. Nowadays nobody trusts the neighbor. Four neighbor houses down from you. You know your immediate neighbors but like you know beyond that you're like I don't know what they are, kind of like.
Speaker 1:it's interesting like I knew all of my neighbors very well because I talked to them all and then they all moved, they all upgraded houses and now all their houses are rented or sold. You know, I don't know anybody in my like my immediate neighbors, I don't even know them, and so it's interesting to think like that would be the case. It's like, hey, go to your neighbors If you need help, if you get locked out or whatever. Now, it's like I don't even know who they are. They have kids. I know they're very, very loud in their front yard, but don't worry about that. But I so I guess the conclusion to that for me is, I think, obviously, yes, they weren't.
Speaker 1:He wasn't afraid to try something new. Um, I think there was even if there weren't, um, friends that he was familiar with, I think he would have been fine. But I think I'm worried that we're a little bit overprotective. Rather than submission, submitted, submitted, if that makes sense like, hey, whatever is going to happen is happening for a reason. I mean, I go back to the spiritual side of it Like at some point you just have to trust that God's timing is the right timing. Um, I don't know what your perspective is on that, but it has to be something of timing you know what is is going to be right.
Speaker 1:Um, but that's the truth is like I, I truly believe like, hey, I'm going to do my due diligence as a parent and I'm going to make sure they have all the right credentials, all the right security, all I'm going to feel it out, but also, at some point it's like I gotta be. Uh, I have to submit to the fact that something could happen, but more than likely it's not going to happen. I mean.
Speaker 2:that's the reality of anything, Every time you walk out your door, something could happen.
Speaker 2:Now, what do we want to have happen? We want to go to the gym. We want to work out, we want to hang out, we want to do our podcast. We want to go see our family. We want our kid to score the goal and help win the game. But things happen. Things happen, but if we're constantly protecting ourselves or our kids from danger, at some point that just becomes an overprotective kind of sense of anxiety that the kid what you don't want the kid to feel is like something's wrong with the world, something's wrong with me, because my parents don't feel I can handle.
Speaker 2:Even if it's like an instinctive thing, like they feel like mom's. Mom and dad are always there. We're always. They're always trying to, like you know, put foam on the corners of the table so that I don't hit my. I don't bump my head, you know like yeah always trying to protect me from something that I don't even know what it is like.
Speaker 2:We have kids, have the beautiful ability to not to be naive and not understand that there's danger out there, and it's not that we want them to live life not understanding danger, but like part of the beauty of youth is like you don't have all these fears about, like the things that could happen you just go live your life and go big and go bold and like try stuff and be experimental and all of a sudden, like you, you learn who you are yeah doing that and so I don't know yeah it's, it's.
Speaker 2:It's an age-old thing of like, how much do you protect and how much you know? And it's I mean everything every decision requires. You know the husband and wife in a situation like you and I like us. You know, you talk about it, you figure out what's what right. What are some parameters we can do?
Speaker 1:I think what's also helped us too is we have a lot of families that we're friends with them, like where we've traveled together, we've done things, and so not only does it help us as parents go oh, okay, maybe I'm a little too strict on certain things Nothing bad's going to happen, or allowing them to have some freedom and ability to deal with conflict and that type of thing. So I think for me that helped a lot too is it's just like you describing working out with somebody that's stronger than you or better at something than you. It's going to make you better. It's the same thing with our being with other families, with kids. Our age has helped us, probably helped me be a little chiller, because I'm probably Stacey's the more chill person than I am. I'm definitely a little bit more people that don't you know me well enough to know that that would be true. But, like a lot of people that don't know me, just know me from the outside, are like it seems like you'd be the fun parent. You know it's like no, no, no, I'm not that guy, Uh, but uh, you know it's helped a lot for us to be just hey, are we doing this right?
Speaker 1:And then also when, when things happen where it's like, hey, are you guys experiencing this with your kids, Like I? I don't understand it. They're so wonderful here and there, but when I talk to them about this, they clam up or they do this. The think, the, the roaring conclusion I come to is just community and how important that is, and us allowing our kids to fail over over protecting them is what I think. I want to err on the side of that. Yeah, because they need that. They need to understand what community feels like and be able to. I hopefully we show by example those pieces. Yeah, but, um, yeah, I think those are really essential things and I think all parents right now if they aren't, they have younger kids that are soon to be overnight camp kids, Like it's just a necessity, or go to your grandparents for a week or whatever yeah, that they'll be facing those things and I think err on the side of letting them fall.
Speaker 2:Yeah, if they need to. Yeah, I mean with I'm always very aware of like you know, if it's like you think about going to a basketball game or any sporting event and the kid either makes a shot or misses or whatever, and the first thing they do is they look at their dad and like see if the dad has a sad face or you know it's like I just, you know, I just I think all dads we can, we do right by letting our kid know like I don't care if you make it, or miss it.
Speaker 1:I love you. Yeah Right, a hundred percent.
Speaker 2:I want you to be the best version of yourself. I want you to be to succeed. I want you to try hard. I want you to experience, you know, the joy of winning and losing. But, like you, should not think that my love goes up or down based on your ability to make a basket.
Speaker 1:Well, you remember the story where my kid's soccer team a year ago, maybe a year and a half ago they're the best team. They were undefeated all year. They were playing really well and they go into this tournament. We make the tournament. My son wins the goal to get them to the finals and they get into the finals and they got boat raced.
Speaker 2:Like by this.
Speaker 1:I mean six goals within the first 10 minutes and the kids are visibly crying, you know, whimpering, sniffering as they're playing soccer because they were getting beat to a pulp, and we're, as parents, all like tense and like whatever. And I looked at my wife and I said this is the best thing that could happen to him, because, how, this is why I love sports, because they are facing something that doesn't matter. Yeah, it really doesn't matter that much there's nothing like nobody did anything bad, like it's just you've you felt what it feels like to lose.
Speaker 1:And then what do you do next? Are you going to be a good sport? Are you going to be a good sport? Are you going to be a good teammate? Are you gonna have a good attitude? Are you gonna? Yeah, you can be sad, but where do you go from here? And I think that's why I love sports and that's why I like competitive sports, because that is a very nice way to show kids how, how it's going to be in the real world because it really is like that yeah, you know, you get boat raced in real life, win everything.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean everything. Yeah, I mean, even if you're super talented, there's always going to be things where you don't end up doing your best. I always think back like I was never a good student. I was good at math, but I never cared about math because it was just abstract math. I didn't care about math, but then I got into physics.
Speaker 1:Oh, this is what math is. Was like oh physics.
Speaker 2:I get this. This makes total sense and like all these kids that I thought were smart were like asking me to study with them because like it was hard for them and it was easy for me.
Speaker 2:And then at the very end of the year there was a electronic like, basically like a blueprint, and you had to basically set it up and show that you understood the blueprint. And I went in, I did it all, and there was one connection where functionally, it doesn't matter how you connect them because it works the same way, but I, whether consciously or unsubconsciously, put it the way that it didn't show on the blueprint but would still work that way that that made sense to you, right. Yeah, and I failed. It was a pass fail.
Speaker 1:Dang and.
Speaker 2:I failed it, and as stupid as that little thing was, I think about it all the time. Yeah, because it was a very important failure in my life, because I knew that I knew how to do it and for some reason, I chose to not do it the exact way that he wanted me to do it, and so I felt like I could have passed. I didn't. Was I self-sabotaged? Like I thought about that moment a lot.
Speaker 1:What do you think, what do you conclude to it.
Speaker 2:I think, honestly, in that moment, I think I didn't want to be that. I didn't want to be that. I didn't want to shine that bright, I think who I was in high school. Like I didn't like if I had, if I had aced that and probably got an A in that class, it would have put more pressure on me as an academic. Nice Right and I and I had been kind of an underachieving kind of like athlete.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I cut off my sleeves. I wore flip flops.
Speaker 2:I wasn't like a, I wasn't supposed to be the smart guy and I think I I think for the most part subconsciously I just I just sabotaged myself in that moment, but I knew the answer.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I remember going oh, I could do it either way.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I just chose the opposite way that it was written there. It would have in a circuit. It works. It's still everything would still work the same and I could have even argued with him and say hey, actually, functionally that works just the way that it's designed.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but it's it's. I mean, it's just like every school, right, we could, we could argue it the other way too. Where it's like the. The school is designed to you follow the rules and you'll pass, rather than understand and have knowledge and be able to challenge the status quo and still pass, it became a. I think that's what sometimes a lot of teachers feel. Is that power of you. Know, I've had those teachers. Not all of them are like that. I've had very great teachers, but I've had teachers that are so much like no, this is how I want you to do it, so do it that way and I'll say no, I would rather get a D, I'd rather get a C than I would to listen to you and do it. I don't know why that is, but that's just that bucking of the system too. I mean, that could be too. No.
Speaker 2:I agree. I think if had I had more like resilience and like just ability to speak up for myself, I probably would have gone to the teacher at the end of the class and say so, I know what I did wrong. I know that I that it still works, and I want you to consider that what I did was actually correct because functionally it actually achieved what your design was asking me to achieve. I didn't do that. I didn't talk to him, I just like slinked out of the class and accepted my B plus or whatever I got for the class you know, I mean like it's.
Speaker 2:That's interesting, it's funny, like the things that we kind of like avoid in the moment. But like, here I am 32 years later like recounting that moment I can feel yeah myself, in that I know everything. I know what the the desks look like, I knew everywhere everybody was seated, because that moment was super important for me, for whatever reason, that's cool.
Speaker 1:I like that. That's a good story.
Speaker 2:But that's that like hey, I failed at something and I've used it to discover myself for 32 years. I have other things like that. I've had auditions for an opera that. I didn't do as well as I wanted to. On that I've looked at over and over again like why that happened, what I could have, and you know. And that's again you. You win or you learn.
Speaker 1:It's that kind of you win or you learn.
Speaker 2:I don't, I don't go back and dissect when I, when I won stuff, when I got the job or got the role or or got the a, I go back and dissect the disappointments that's good.
Speaker 1:You know you win or you learn. I like that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I hear that a lot on like this podcast, and, and and now you hear it on this podcast that's the first time I've heard it, so apparently, or you learn the new name of our podcast.
Speaker 1:Apparently, I'm not in the know of any of those.
Speaker 2:You just keep winning. That's why, oh, thank you, thank you that's for sure. Well, um, I want to talk, finish up with this podcast by talking about the Shane Gillis hosting.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:Which just happened about a week ago, a little less than a week ago, maybe. Dang and man, what a I mean. If you're a Shane Gillis fan, it was hilarious.
Speaker 1:If you're, if you have no idea who he is and you like the espies, well, you're about six people out there that like, yeah, I mean nobody host it. This is the crazy thing about the hosting it's a lose-lose for most people, but I think what the win was for me was a guy that I'm a fan of yeah, goes mainstream and still act. He doing exactly what he does, whether you like him or you don't like him and the reason it worked.
Speaker 2:For those who don't know, shane gills is so he played d1 football. Yeah, he's a huge sports fan yeah he gets. He's on so many podcasts. He loves talking about football sports uh, caitlin clark fan yeah you know he's from the midwest.
Speaker 2:Like he is, he is a perfect like spokesman for like the type of people that they wanted to draw to the ESPYs, because I think the ESPYs over the years has become more and more kind of um, you know, just not, not a, not a show that people, the majority of the sports fan, actually care about, yeah, chime into. I think it was. This was Disney and CNN or ESPN and Disney's opportunity to like pull a new audience in and say Disney and CNN or ESPN and Disney's opportunity to like pull a new audience in and say hey you're cool too.
Speaker 1:Hey, come check us out. We're cool, we're going to be risque and like because they let everything.
Speaker 2:I mean they didn't. They didn't. I mean I don't know if they said there's anything that they told him he couldn't say, but I mean, I mean some of the jokes they don't hit at all to the audience because they're making fun of the audience.
Speaker 1:But I mean, it's just good, it's just good stuff. I think what it does is it's Shane represents the everyman, and then the man that persevered even though he was canceled.
Speaker 2:He's like he hit his pinnacle.
Speaker 1:He lost it all, but yet here he is now and I think you're bigger than a bigger than he had been, can absolutely and I think that that's what Shane represents to me is like he's just a dude, you know, and I've met him, you know, multiple times and he really is that way. He, he really is just a dude. And that's the cool thing about cause I've seen celebrities that go from famous ish, regionally to nationally famous and they change. You know, they just have some of them have to.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can't handle the like that step up.
Speaker 1:And I think they a lot of ways they probably are pulled in so many different directions it's just have to make. And then they, instead of just saying hey, I just can't handle all these decisions, it's like, no, I'm solely focused on x, y and z, and it becomes this whole like mantra rather than like hey, I'm just don't want to do it. You know, I just don't want to do that and I I don't know if I, hopefully, when I become, when, when I get big, big although I'm, you know, already big, but when I get big, big, um, that we can look back and go.
Speaker 1:I didn't change like a Shane, who it really is, just every man, yeah. So that was cool.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I thought I mean I didn't, I didn't even, you know, knowing Shane's jokes, knowing where Shane's coming from, and just the good-naturedness of Shane and how much he loves sports, I didn't take anything he said like it was mean-spirited, I just thought it was just funny as hell.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Everything from the Trump jokes, the Epstein jokes, Caitlin Clark fighting black women at the Waffle House, oh yeah. I mean he went hard in so many different directions and I think as a whole, I mean some things didn't work and some things did, but as a whole it drew eyes not just to the actual live show but then for the week afterwards people watching YouTube.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's nothing going on right now too, in sports, July is the saddest part it's funny because there was a perfect somebody.
Speaker 2:Somebody said these people already got their trophy for the sport they won and now we want to have another show to give them another trophy for being, yeah, a great athlete of the sport.
Speaker 1:They already won and got a trophy for so like you know what I mean. Like it is kind of like I did a movie this.
Speaker 2:Now we're going to the oscars to see who won the award for best movie. Like there wasn't a trophy in between doing the movie and the Oscar.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is. I haven't actually thought of it that way, but it is true. It's like who's the greatest team of the year? Well, it's going to be like the Philadelphia Eagles, because they won a championship.
Speaker 2:It's not like or it could be OKC be OKC.
Speaker 1:It could be like the NBA USA basketball team Exactly, exactly. But instead it becomes, and then it becomes very political too. So it's like, oh well, you know, I thought about it, why wasn't?
Speaker 2:Steph Curry's four threes at the gold medal game up there for like play. I mean when he shot that last three over like two guys falling back.
Speaker 1:I do. Is that not the play? I do have a confession I didn't actually watch the ESPNs. I don't even know I watched the monologue because I watched it later.
Speaker 2:The point is, it's all so arbitrary.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's why the ESPNs are stupid is because ESPN decided that they want to be the leader in award giving, when, in reality, the only reason that those athletes show up is because they know they're getting an award already yeah, absolutely none of them show up because, oh well, maybe I'll win.
Speaker 2:It's well and also they went through a midlife crisis at asbn and realized that they didn't have a young male audience and that's why they like brought in pat mcafee and like these podcasters and like young male, you know, like athletes, to bring them, like to kind of bring that young male like uh kind of podcast sphere back to ESPN because, nobody was watching.
Speaker 2:You know actual ESPN programming that was in that space and so I think that's all part of the bringing Shane Gillison too is like is appeasing that group you know, exactly, exactly, I agree.
Speaker 1:Well, thanks so much man. It's good, good catching up and, uh, I love to be able to talk about parenting with you. I love working out with you, so let's keep it going, man. I think this is great, um, absolutely.
Speaker 2:Hey, and as you're listening, if you have anything or topics, questions, things that you want to shoot, uh to us for uh, you know upcoming episodes. Uh, talking to you, ryan. Uh to us for uh, you know upcoming episodes. Uh, I'm talking to you, ryan uh talking to uh, to Mitch's friends anybody who's listening there Like I, it was funny. I've every once in a while bump into somebody who's like man. I listened to your podcast while I'm driving to work and I'm like dude that's awesome.
Speaker 1:The air, that'd be awesome. Uh, just shoot me an email at bgbryan at gmailcom. Yeah, boom man, I have the website url for this. Dad bods and dubbells we should. Yeah, we should have a there we go.
Speaker 2:We should have a mitch at dad bods and, like my, my executive assistant can hook us up with an actual website.
Speaker 1:All right, fancy brand it all up you know you didn't see this on the podcast, but he lifted his little pinky when he said executive assistant, like he's drinking tea.
Speaker 2:So there was a big flex.
Speaker 1:That's awesome. Well, thanks so much for listening, liking, subscribing. We love you guys. Have a great day. We'll see you next time.
Speaker 2:Peace.