The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
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The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
Physical Therapist Chris Dickerson shares his story and why Resistance training matters
Chris shares his remarkable journey from juvenile delinquent with a seventh-grade education to physical therapy practice owner, revealing how adversity built the resilience that shaped his success. His story challenges conventional wisdom about overcoming obstacles, finding direction without guidance, and creating meaningful change despite starting with significant disadvantages.
• Growing up with minimal parental supervision and facing intense bullying as a late bloomer who didn't hit puberty until age 17
• Spending nearly a year in juvenile detention between ages 15-18 before transitioning directly to adult jail on his 18th birthday
• Finding direction at age 24 when he walked into a community college despite having no high school education
• Transitioning from MMA fighting to pursuing physical therapy after recognizing his fighting career limitations
• Creating a "speakeasy" physical therapy practice focused on quality one-on-one care rather than high-volume treatment
• Emphasizing that resistance training is essential regardless of age, but load management becomes increasingly important as we age
• Explaining that the key difference between fit older adults and those who've given up is learning to train around inevitable injuries
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Welcome to DadBods and Dumbbells. My name is Mitch, hey, I'm Bart. Thanks so much for listening, liking, subscribing and thank you to all our premium members for joining. If you want more of this amazing content, please check out our premium membership. It's cheap, it's easy, it's fun. It's worth it. I'd also like to thank our sponsor, solution Pharmacy. Thank you so much for all you do. If you need anything to do with weight, any hair loss, any issues with your PP, check out Solutions Pharmacy. Thanks so much. Today we've got a special guest. His name is Chris and we are so grateful he took the time for us to come into his office here and build out our studio. Thank you, chris, for being here, pleasure to be here.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let me give you just a little backstory on Chris before we jump into this interview. So Chris has been a physical therapist for 13 years, Back in 2012, became a physical therapist in on the West coast, moved out here in 2019 to get his fellowship at UT. Has been very active in the physical therapy space. But also I know him. Actually he personal trains a client at the Austinian same time I do, so he and I just gotten to know each other from just being uh competitors?
Speaker 1:not at all.
Speaker 2:Sounds like a competition believers in the barbell and how important, like strength training, you know, like we've had a couple conversations. In fact, chris and I've been brought into meetings with the austonian faculty or facility directors and like to give our point of view.
Speaker 1:Oh nice.
Speaker 2:And Chris is like we need more barbells, and I'm like, yes, we do.
Speaker 1:I said we need more dad bots.
Speaker 2:I knew right away. I'm like this guy is, you know, cut from the same cloth.
Speaker 1:Nice.
Speaker 2:Anyway, without further ado, glad to have you here, Chris.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks so much for having me. This is fun.
Speaker 3:Well, thanks for uh taking the time. So, first and foremost, I think we have anytime we have a guest, we like to know are you a dad bod or a dumbbell? Definitely more the dad bod.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I feel like you guys are representing the dumbbells pretty well, and so I figured I needed to bring up the dad bod uh representation for your audience.
Speaker 3:Right, because it's in the name yeah, well, we want, we want.
Speaker 2:You know, I think everybody is kind of in their own place, where they you know, I'm sure you were much fitter than you are now, but you are not. But any layman person sees you, they're like, obviously that he's jacked.
Speaker 1:We're just gonna say it, he's jacked for those of you who are not watching on video he is jacked, as can be, so you've been in strength and conditioning since you were 14. Yeah, when did?
Speaker 2:you get into, like MMA and that part of your strength and conditioning journey.
Speaker 3:Later, when I got into strength and conditioning that is a very loose term Somebody gave me a weight bench. I can't remember who it was and it may have just been like a garage sale and they're like if you get it out of here you can have it, but it was one of those rickety old weight bench. It was just like a flat bench with the two uprights that you could bench, press on and uh, it had the.
Speaker 3:You might, guys might, remember these, the plastic weights that came with concrete in them, and then they had like a little lid and you filled it with water and shook it up and let it get hard and then then that was like 15 pounds or whatever it was. So it was one of those weight sets and it was in my bedroom. It was like there's like my bed, a dresser and this weight bench and I did a bench press and curl every day for like a year, like a full year of just bench press and curl, like I'd have never thought to do a squat, you know. And um then I got you know over time, saved up some money, bought a nicer weight bench.
Speaker 2:That one had to go in the garage cause it couldn't fit in the in the in the bedroom, and I this was before the internet aging myself a little bit, but I am old, so when did you, when did you for our listeners.
Speaker 3:When did you graduate high school? Well, if I went to high school, I would have graduated class of 99.
Speaker 2:I never went to high school, I dropped out in eighth grade.
Speaker 3:Uh, so I basically have a seventh grade education and then, at age 24, went to college and I just showed up at a community college like, oh, I think I need to go here. And they're like well, did you take the SAT? And I was like no, and they're like well, did you take the SAT?
Speaker 2:And I was like no, and they're like did you?
Speaker 3:graduate high school and I was like no, and they're like all right, well, let's give you some tests and kind of figure out where you were. But yeah, so I didn't graduate high school.
Speaker 2:Weird right.
Speaker 1:You definitely need to dig into that For sure.
Speaker 3:That's a weird thing. So you're working out.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was still actually going to school in eighth grade. I just wasn't doing anything while I was there and I wasn't going every day, so I didn't like pass any classes.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I didn't pass any classes in eighth grade. I probably not, maybe, but like maybe if there was, like I don't know, some class that didn't have homework, maybe I passed, but I essentially didn't get an eighth grade education. And then in high school I went way less Like maybe like 30 times. So was it just?
Speaker 2:like other things you wanted to do, was it? More of a rebellion against your parents, or what was that all about?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think it was a combination of things. One I was a really late bloomer so I didn't hit puberty till I was 17, going on 18. So freshman year I was five foot one, 105 pounds, and I talked like mickey mouse and everybody made fun of me, yeah. And then this is in would have been what like 95 96.
Speaker 3:So teenagers were kind of jackasses back then, and everything was like a popularity contest mixed with like a fashion show, yeah, and I came from a very low socioeconomic household so I didn't have, like yeah, a new shirt every day.
Speaker 2:Physically you're not, so I was.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I was just an easy target, like, oh, that guy wore that shirt on Monday and he's little and I can make fun of him because there is no repercussions and so um. So yeah, I got picked on a lot in eighth grade, ninth grade, and then I was just like, well, and my parents weren't around much at all, so there wasn't really anybody there in the morning to make me go to school. So I was like, well, why would I go there? That place sucks. That's where you go to get made fun of or get in trouble.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Or I can just not so like to a 15 year old.
Speaker 1:It's like well then don't go that place, sucks. Don't go there Unless you like torture.
Speaker 3:You would have been perfect for that, yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, just wrestling a bunch of seventh graders, cause they're the only ones that weigh the same amount as me.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that happened. Um, so I was yeah, I would just stay home, uh, lift weights, get nowhere with it. A, I didn't have testosterone, but I wasn't producing much testosterone, so I didn't have like that wonderful PED, yeah that beautiful PED that we all get once we hit puberty.
Speaker 3:I didn't have that, and I also didn't know what I was doing, and so I would go to the Safeway up the street and this is when grocery stores still had magazine aisles and I would just cuz. There's no internet, right? So I would just go find a magazine that had like muscle how to get 20 inch arms and I was like dude, I definitely need 20 inch arms and I would just in the in the aisle.
Speaker 3:I would just go through and like read it and I'd have like paper and a pencil in my pocket and I'd like write things down because I couldn't afford the magazine I'm not gonna pay four bucks for this thing, right and so I'd like write out these workouts and I'd like go home and try to replicate that, and that was what strength and conditioning meant to me for quite a while yeah, for years, I mean. I did that.
Speaker 1:So what's the consequence to not going to school? What typically happens to I mean that whole experience? What happens?
Speaker 3:then, um, I went, I got in a bunch of trouble with the courts, cause there is, I believe, something called the Becca bill or Beckett bill I can't remember what it's called, but there was some bill that was like, oh, you got to go to school or we'll put you in jail. And I was like, well, that's still not school dummy. So, like that happens sometimes where I'd be like in court and they would be like you know, why weren't you? You know it says here you weren't in school on June 13th, and it's like October, and I was like I have no clue what happened last week. You want me to know like the reason I didn't go to school on June 13th and I didn't have like the like I was still kind of ashamed of the fact that I like hadn't gone through puberty and like talked like a girl and so I never like got the opportunity to stand in front of like these prosecutors and this judge and be like listen, dude.
Speaker 3:Like it it's embarrassing for me to go to school. I talk like a girl. All my friends, like you know, are, you know, like have girlfriends and playing sports, and like I just get laughed at and made fun of and like people pick on me for the clothes I wear and because I'm small and then heaven forbid I get you know they do attendance and my last name starts with the word dick. You know, and everybody you know. It's like my last name starts with dick. I talk like a girl and.
Speaker 2:I'm 105 pounds and I wore this shirt three days ago. Yeah.
Speaker 3:I wore this shirt three days ago, so fucking no, I don't want to go there and I'm not gonna, you know, and they'd be like well, then, you're going to juvie. And I was like, well, that's still not school, idiot, sounds good to me, yeah, and so they just lock me in a cage for 23 hours a day.
Speaker 1:So the consequence to okay, so you don't go to school, you go to court. You're thrown in juvie because you're not going to like a truancy charge.
Speaker 3:At least sometimes it was that Now there was other things. At least sometimes it was that Now there was other things, I'd get caught drinking, or whatever, and they'd throw me in juvie for that too.
Speaker 3:I was in and out of juvie a lot in my teenage years, but there were definitely times where they were like you're not going to school, so you are going to juvie, and then they'd lock you in this cage for literally 23 hours a day and I'd just sit in there and mass-consume books. I would just blow through because they had this like fake little library where, I'm assuming, people just donated books and I would just read handfuls of books.
Speaker 3:that's why because they'd let you out of your room for one hour a day, for like a rec period, yeah, and I would just beeline it to the library, stack up on books, and I would just mass consume literature the whole time.
Speaker 1:I was in there. It was wild. So how much time did you spend in juvie during that time?
Speaker 3:I would guess between the ages of 15 and 18, maybe like 12 months total. Damn, I don't know if that's the right. Maybe it's nine or eight, but it's not three. Yeah, yeah, exactly Like on my 18th birthday, they woke me up in juvie and took me to jail. And put me in jail, oh my goodness, because juvie is for juveniles.
Speaker 3:And literally, that's how I spent my 18th birthday is like, hey, you're too big, yeah, time to go. Yeah, and because I didn't have any uh history of good behavior in the jail, they put me in like the medium security, which is not like as aggressive as maximum security, but it's not where you want to be yeah, like it's definitely it's definitely harder than like the minimum security or low security whatever that is they basically like.
Speaker 3:If you're in, like if you'd been there before and you didn't cause any trouble or didn't have any like whatever I don't know they'd give you, put you in this low security part where you wore blue scrubs and, I think, probably had some more freedoms and you were probably with like less severe criminals and then I was in the medium security. So, like most of the people I was in jail with were on their way to prison, like we're here until trials over or sentencing or whatever, but then they're going to prison for quite a while or some some period of time. Most of the guys there were going to prison or had been to prison. Yeah, um, so that was a weird way to spend your 18th birthday so how long did you stay in jail before they?
Speaker 3:I mean that time I was probably in jail for, I don't know, a month or two dang.
Speaker 2:So the I mean, I was, it was just, it just happened to be.
Speaker 3:It was like 17. They're like okay, you're gonna be in jail for like three months, but then a month later I turned 18. They're like well, now you gotta go to real jail for the next two months.
Speaker 2:The elephant in the room that I imagine our listeners are thinking about is where's dad?
Speaker 3:Yeah, Neither of. So my parents were never really together, that I remember. I mean, certainly they were together, at least a little bit.
Speaker 3:But I wasn't there for that, so like I don't know when they split up, but I have no memory of them ever together. So my mom was off doing whatever she was doing and my dad and I sort of like lived with my mom and whatever she was doing for some number of years and that's I went to. I went to first grade, second grade and third grade and fourth grade, all at different schools, so she was basically just bouncing around and she ended up with a guy who was not a great person. I don't know if she's still with them or what became of them, but that's who she ended up with and right around the time I think that she kind of ended up with him. I ended up moving in with my dad and he was always sort of, in my opinion, the better of my two parents. Like, my mom was a lot meaner and he seemed a lot nicer. But right around the time I moved in with him, he met this lady and she was just a nightmare and he was just her, like he was.
Speaker 3:He was her, just putty you know, I think I don't have any proof of this, but I I suspect if there's any psychologists listening they'll agree. I think if you take like a really like weak man and like a really overbearing woman and drop them off in like a football stadium, the forces of the universe will get those two people together.
Speaker 3:Like it's always like your weakest, most spineless buddy is always the one who ends up with like a really aggressive, overbearing, mean woman. Like it always goes that way, right, that's just like a law of the universe. So he was with her initially and he was with her to like sixth or seventh grade and then they split up, um, and he moved him and I into this like super rundown duplex like you could for sure just like push it over if you wanted to it had like the inch and a half long green shag carpet yeah, yeah it was pretty.
Speaker 3:And then right around then he he's just always chasing some different woman. So he took off with some other lady and so he the house was pretty empty most of the time, right and he'd show up, like I may be remembering things wrong, but it felt like he showed up like every week or two, right, and he'd be like oh, there's beer cans in the backyard and cigarette butts, and I was like you're not here he's like you guys are drinking at my house and I was like yeah we're drinking at your house.
Speaker 3:On paper, yeah, but you're not here, so like you know, so you were fairly left unattended, yeah, so he wasn't around a whole bunch.
Speaker 3:And then, by the time I turned 18, I think, he some gal was in california and he was gonna go chase her down, and so he he went. So basically, my dad was always with a woman who really disliked me and he was always. He never had like always choosing. He never had. I don't know if he was choosing her, but he never had the gumption to stand up to her and be like, hey, like if you're gonna talk to him like that, get out of the house like we're not going to be together. If you're going to talk to my son that way, yeah, he just didn't have that in him, like that, that whatever, that like confrontation gene or whatever. He was just kind of just just a weakling so he went around.
Speaker 2:So and, yeah, you know, there's so much to talk to you, with you, and we're already 15 minutes in.
Speaker 1:I want to make sure we share a lot of lots of.
Speaker 3:I love it.
Speaker 2:Let's go to the fatherhood side of this. You have three kids.
Speaker 3:Three boys, three teenage boys, yeah, three teenagers.
Speaker 2:Danger, havoc and Mayhem are their nicknames.
Speaker 3:They're middle names, middle names. Right, those are their birth certificate middle names, middle names. Yeah, talk about you know up for them going, having gone through what you went through, yeah, um, well, it's a little bit different. Um, just because they've got pretty strong mothers I mean the, the, so mayhem and havoc, where their names are alex and tanner. Uh, alex alex havoc, I don't know. Alex mayhem, tanner havoc, alex havoc, tanner may Boy, this is going to be problematic. It's Alex Havoc and Tanner Mayhem. They're identical twins.
Speaker 3:Wow okay and they've got a different mom than Joey Danger, but they both had really strong, really good mother figures in their lives and I was always the weekend dad Because we didn't, we were never really together. Past like definitely danger. By the time his first birthday, his mom and I were not together. I probably the twins also, probably their mom and I had split up before they were one.
Speaker 2:So they kind of all they knew was pretty much their whole lives I was weekend dad.
Speaker 3:Uh, so far, certainly as far as they could ever remember, I was the weekend dad. Certainly as far as they could ever remember, I was the weekend dad. Um, and then in the initial I mean just in the initial phases, I was really cautious about like, uh, making sure they're around the boys you know. So, like I'd had a good friend group and I would always make sure that, like that, my kids knew all my buddies and they were kind of around all this, like you know, like healthy masculine energy, just a bunch of bros hanging out laughing, having a this, like you know, like healthy masculine energy, just a bunch of bros hanging out laughing, having a good time, you know, and like including them in it.
Speaker 3:Like, hey, we're going to go drink beers by the campfire. You can't have any beers, but I'll throw it, we'll throw that football to you, you know, or whatever. So we definitely did that. I probably fell victim to being a little bit more of like a Disneyland dad, without ever having actually gone to Disneyland, because I was like they're only here on the weekends.
Speaker 1:Let's have fun. Yeah, let's get down a little bit.
Speaker 3:So sometimes I'd be like what do you guys want for lunch? And they'd be like chips, and I'd be like everybody in the car and we'd go buy like five bags of chips. And I'd open them all on the counter and load them up with plates and they'd have like a chip buffet and that'd just be lunch and I was like, yeah, you know, like, yeah, what do you want for breakfast? Ice cream, and I'd be like everybody in the car 31 flavors, uh. So I did that quite a bit how old are they now?
Speaker 3:danger's 18 uh, and the twins are about to turn 16 in November oh dang, so they're all yeah, yep, they're all grown up. Now Danger just moved here to Texas. He's going to go to Austin Community College for a little while hopefully transfer over to UT. The twins are still sophomores in high school back in Washington, so hoping that they'll follow Big Brother's path and come to college here, but we've got some more things to cross off before we get there, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, for sure. So tell me about the transition from being a juvenile delinquent with no direction to being a guy who is now pretty successful in PT and has his own business. And how do you get from there to there?
Speaker 3:Just all stupid accidents. Nothing clever, ever no master plan. Nothing clever, ever no master plan, nothing. I got involved in the MMA pretty early and by the time I was about 24, I realized that my dream of being a professional MMA fighter and a household name and making millions of dollars was not unique to me, and a lot of other people had that same dream, and the only problem with that is a lot of those people could kick my ass.
Speaker 2:So that's a barrier.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I was sort of in this group. I had great coaches and they were really really good at MMA, but they just were just shy of that top 1%, like Jeff Munson was my wrestling coach.
Speaker 2:I don't know if you're familiar with that name.
Speaker 3:Dennis Hallman was my you know, kind of like my my main coach, dennis Hallman at the time. I'm sure he's just sort of sort of like a footnote in the MMA history, but there was a point in time where Matt Hughes was like the baddest welterweight on the planet and in that time, when Matt Hughes was running through beating George, st Pierre, you know, beating all these guys, I think his record might have been like 40 wins and four losses or something crazy Like two of those losses were to Dennis Hallman, that's crazy.
Speaker 3:Both of them under a minute combined. So Dennis Hallman had some accolades but he just wasn't quite in that top 1%. So I had all these really great coaches who are way tougher than me but like I also could kind of see what they drove and see how they were living and I was like, oh, none of these guys are making any significant amount of money, and if I want to make any real money like and they can kick my butt, but I'm turning on pay-per-view and watching them get their butt kicked.
Speaker 3:So there's at least two levels before me and making any reasonable, but a lot of times like that, like that awareness.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's like that, that pragmatic awareness that you don't find, that in a lot of like kids that maybe have been told by their parents.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:You're the best, you're this great. Anything, just keep trying harder than yeah, because you have to be.
Speaker 2:You can look ahead and say, okay, this is the person that I'm learning from, they're the best that I know and they're not making. You've got to put some pieces together to kind of identify where you're at, yeah it's really funny.
Speaker 3:There's this whole new breed of spiritual narcissists. I don't know if that's a real term, but you should use it. Everybody should use that. But there's this whole new breed of spiritual narcissists who read some book called the secret and that sold enough copies that they like put it on netflix and then everybody's like listen, you can just manifest things, like if you just believe something hard enough, and like if you just believe something hard enough, you can make the universe do that to you. And it's like have you ever been to nashville? Yeah, walk up and down broadway at about 2 35 in the morning, after all the bars have closed. All those guys that are sitting on the sidewalks next to guitars, playing a guitar better than you'll ever be able to play, they all moved to Nashville with that dream, that undying dream. They gave up everything to be a successful musician and now they're sitting on the street corner at 2.35 am hoping you'll throw them a couple bucks on your way out of the bar.
Speaker 3:There is a reality to often, but like there also is reality, you know, and sometimes maybe it's just the circumstances. It could be. Whatever it is, you just it's just not gonna happen for you, it's just it's.
Speaker 2:That's just the reality of the world but I wanted, I just wanted, like you mentioned, kind of, like you know being, it's a late bloomer with puberty, yeah you know 18 years old when you finally get out of jail yeah you're. You're finally a man, right, you, you hit puberty. Yeah, you're obviously taller, and probably not quite as tall as you are now, but are you about 6'2", 6'3"?
Speaker 3:I'm probably right around 6'2" 6'3" yeah, and by the same, by 19.
Speaker 2:That's the beauty of the audio podcast. That's right. No one will know.
Speaker 3:Yeah, by the time I was 19,. I was probably 6'3" 160. I was just tall and thin.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah. So yeah, you sprout up, but you're like, you're not going out quite yet it takes a lot more years, but I was similar to you Like, I think, 16,. I hit puberty. I was always kind of tall, okay. And then, you know, by the time I graduated, I was probably 6'2". By the time I finished growing like 21, I was close to 6'5, 6'4 and a half. But I went back to my high school reunion and everyone's like you were not this tall and I'm like you're right, I probably when.
Speaker 2:I graduated high school. I was probably like 6'1 and a half 6'2 really, but yeah, it's all about when you hit puberty.
Speaker 3:My son's 11 against that are like clearly yeah, 12 years old in puberty and all that good for them, wow yeah, it's just an interesting yeah, that's probably the more fun way to do it but anyway, okay, so mma, and then finding pt, so I got into mma realized that wasn't going to cut it, but like, during the day, I was just working at a grocery store. I was working at a grocery store, I was working at Safeway this is the same, interestingly, the same Safeway that I used to go pilfer workouts out of their magazine out. So now I'm just a cashier at Safeway and I don't want to do that for the rest of my life. But fighting's not going to work.
Speaker 3:And I realize at you know, fortunately I have this epiphany that like, oh, I've transferable skills, you know, if I'd been working in like framing houses and I don't want to do that anymore I'm at least a decent woodworker, so I can go like build cabinets or something Right, like there's something transferable there, and I'm like, yeah, I can scan groceries and punch people. This is not going to. You know, this is not. I can't really go to the next industry and be like heard, you need a financial advisor.
Speaker 2:Let's fight over it. Let's fight about it.
Speaker 3:But I can name all the produce codes in your lunchbox, Go, you know. And so I was like all right, I got to figure something else out. I don't know what to do. I have no parents to lean on. Um, my entire friend group are cage fighters who have like carburetors in their sinks. You know like, these are not the guys to go say like hey, I'm thinking of getting out of MMA and doing something else. Can you guide me?
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:So I was just like I'm just going to go to the community college, I know where that is. And I went to the community college and I was like yo, I need to go here. And they kind of said well, you've got to take these placement tests, we can figure out where you were. Fortunately, I'd had a GED, for no reason other than when I was 16, I was working at Burger King and I had a manager there named Ed, who was probably 20. And he was like listen, because you're not 18, we can only give you 20 hours per week, but if you go get a GED, we can give you up to 40 hours a week. And I was like where?
Speaker 2:do I do that, and he was like the community college, same community college.
Speaker 3:Right, we keep getting these callbacks.
Speaker 3:So I go, but to that same community college six years prior and I was just like, yeah, I just need to get like a GED and like, alright, sit in that room, pay the 15 bucks, take these tests on the computer, we'll see if you pass.
Speaker 3:And I did so. I had a GED, so I think that was probably one thing that helped, because then I went there, they're like, okay, well, you have a GED, so you just really need to take a placement test so we know which classes to sign you up for. So I just sat and took some computerized placement tests and they gave me a pink sheet of paper that just had like all these check boxes on it and you needed to take like two writing classes, two humanities, two semesters of college level math, three social sciences, three natural science or something like that, and you've just got to check all these boxes and accumulate whatever 90 credits or whatever the number was right. And so I just started showing up and paying, paying cash for my classes and taking a bunch of classes and then I mean community college like 13 a unit.
Speaker 2:Back in the like 90s I was paying about 900 bucks for three classes 300 bucks a class 300 bucks a ballpark, you know, maybe something like that.
Speaker 3:So it was. Essentially it was costing me about a fat, about 900 to a thousand bucks a quarter with like books and everything. So I was right around a thousand bucks a quarter. So if I budgeted that I could do it, did two years there, went back and they're like you got a chance or two, uh, for your college. You know, and I'm just talking to like academic advisors, they don't know anything and I was like, okay, well, what are the colleges around here? You know that I can, because I owned a house by that time. I bought my first house, interestingly, when I was 21 years old. Yeah, being homeless and employed allows you to save up a lot of money because you've got no bills yeah so you know, life hack for anybody listening.
Speaker 3:That's a good. You should do that like if you're gonna be homeless. Get a job or two, you know, and you've got no bills. You need to stack all that money and then, you know, go get a house. This was in 2001 when buying a house meant like two pay stubs, two tax returns and three you know, three months down payment so like 4,500 bucks and I had a house, um, but yeah.
Speaker 3:So I had this mortgage and I needed to keep my job at the grocery store so I needed to go to a college I could drive to and there was like three St Martins, pacific, lutheran University and the University of Puget Sound. I applied to all three. I got accepted to all three and some old dude who shopped at Safeway was just like you're going to get a far superior education if you go to the University of Puget Sound. And he graduated from there. And I don't even know if he knew anything. He was just an old dude that I listened to. I was like, all right, I'll just go to the University of Puget Sound. That's all that happened.
Speaker 3:So I went to the University of Puget Sound, met with their academic advisor, said you probably, you know you need to declare a major pretty soon here because you're essentially going to be a junior coming in. And I said, okay, what am I? What am I close to? And she said, well, you're about equidistant from degrees in biology or exercise science. And I was like I love exercise, let's do that. So I became an exercise science major and then I think in like my senior year, we had a class called senior seminar or something, and it should have really been called. What are you going to do with?
Speaker 3:this degree, because it doesn't actually mean anything and, uh, the professor I think her name was like Heidi Orloff maybe, I believe, was her name. She was like you know, either you guys are going to grad school or you're going to be personal trainers. And if you're going to be personal trainers, just don't finish this degree. Like, don't come next semester and pay that money because you all are already know enough to be personal trainers. And she's like so don't pay the extra because it was a really expensive college, the University of Puget Sound. She's like don't pay for next semester's tuition if you're going to do that. And so I was like okay, well, I'm not going to quit at the one yard line. So I guess I need to go to grad school. Back to the advising office. Hey, turns out I need to go to grad school. They're like what do you want to go to grad school for? And I was like I don't know.
Speaker 2:The lady just said I have to do that I don't like.
Speaker 3:Do y'all not talk to each other? You know, y'all both work here, right? Who sits where for lunch? Maybe you guys need to sit next to each other. And she was like, well, a lot of people with your degree go into physical therapy. And I was like, oh yeah, like medicine with weights, let's do that.
Speaker 3:That was sort of my understanding At that point in time. I was like, oh, those are the doctors that exercise. It's not really all that, true, but it's not a really accurate representation of the of any profession. But that's, in my mind, how I. So I did. So I applied close enough, took the gre, got a reasonable enough score, applied to a handful of schools, got accepted to a couple, and one of the schools I got accepted to was the university of puget sound, where I was already attending, yeah. So I was like I'll just stay here, that's. And then I did that. So a physical therapy school at that time, I think still today is three years, but no, you go straight through the summers, so you end up getting whatever the equivalent of credits is. So we did that. I did three years there and then I graduated, got my licensure exam and my first job was, uh, essentially a clinic director.
Speaker 3:Like I was running an office and I just graduated and I felt like the biggest imposter on earth and I was like dude there is like I certainly skipped, slipped through the cracks, like I wasn't really trying that hard in pt school, like it was hard, but I was fucking around. Like like it was a hard program to get through, but like I had some fun and I was like you know I don't feel like I've earned.
Speaker 3:You know I shouldn't be seeing patients, this is crazy. So I was like I'll do a fellowship and, um, I went through this uh educational organization called evidence in motion and at the time they offered sort of this thing where, like you know, for the first year and a half you're sort of in an orthopedic residency and you're just kind of taking these general musculoskeletal courses upper extremity, lumbopelvic, cervical, thoracic, lower extremity and then you, um, you you're meant to go take the uh national board exam to be a board certified orthopedic clinical specialist, and that's through the American physical therapy association. So I went and took that exam past. That continued through the fellowship program and at the end of that there's another standardized test you take and a couple like skills checks.
Speaker 3:Well, quite a few skills checks actually, and then you become a fellow of the American Academy of Orthopedic Manual Physical Therapists, and so I did that. So that was about three years, beginning to end.
Speaker 2:And was that in Austin, or was that before you came out here?
Speaker 3:That was sort of a hybrid. So what was happening at this time in the program is you did a lot of the learning online and then you had to have 10 lab intensive weekends and at the point in time when you, at the day you joined the fellowship, you had to pick the city you were going to do your labs in, and there were five choices one was Rosedale, california, one was Austin, texas, one was Chicago, and I think there was a couple on the east coast somewhere, and so I picked Austin.
Speaker 1:What year was this?
Speaker 3:2015.
Speaker 1:Okay, so Austin's on the up and up at this point. Yeah, so it's 2015.
Speaker 3:It's a fun time.
Speaker 3:Rainy Street exists in its original form, like in the fun form. So I was coming here having a great time, Did that for three years, Got my board certification so I was an orthopedic clinical specialist, Became a fellow of the American Academy and by then I owned a practice in Washington and I had a farm out there and some rental houses and I was just like I got to get back to Austin. That was more fun. I don't belong here in the rain, and so I sold everything and I packed up my bags. I moved to Austin with no job, no friends and no place to live. I just drove here one day. I sold everything I own and I drove here and then I was like I'm just going to make a new life. I was like a settler in reverse, though.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so, so, okay. So where I'm trying to connect the dots here is you go from being pretty listless in the fact that you didn't have a plan early on. Most people are discovering their plan junior year of high school.
Speaker 2:What are you going to?
Speaker 1:do. Yeah, you have a pretty hard life. It sounds like leading up to it. Now you're you're, I mean from what you're describing pretty successful in something that didn't even exist in your mind at 18. So, what, for you, were the factors that you think made you most successful, and maybe there was a person you interacted with that was that like we. We always want to look at mentors, like coaches, people that really kind of impacted us in the direction and in the area that we are. What was that for you?
Speaker 3:I think the biggest part of that for me, at least early on, wasn't like oh, this guy's got it figured out. I want to be like him. It was just looking around and figuring out all the things I didn't want to do. And if you are a juvenile delinquent, as I believe, you so appropriately phrased it as you so appropriately phrased it.
Speaker 3:When you're juvenile delinquent, there's like a lot of examples of what you don't want to do, like and it's not just your buddies, it's also like the adults and the parents that you're kind of interfacing. It's like, okay, well, I'm not doing that, I'm not doing so. There's a lot of like navigational buoys right when you're like ooh, this is starting to feel similar to what happened with you know, you know buddy X or friend Y or acquaintance Z, you know, let's Get away from that. And so I use that as a little bit. And then the other thing I think is when you don't have a safety net at all, the chances you take are different and the amount of grit you develop can be a little bit different.
Speaker 2:Does that?
Speaker 3:make sense. I have friends that I love who would never have never been homeless and they could be the biggest screw-ups in the world. Mom and dad will never have never been homeless and they never could. They could be the biggest screw-ups in the world. Mom and dad will never let them be homeless. You know mom and dad will never let them walk into like court without an attorney yeah, you know, a court appointed attorney. When you're looking at months, that's never going to happen to them like they're never gonna.
Speaker 3:They're never gonna be hungry yeah you know're never going to know what it's like to like literally not have money for food. They don't know that they never will. So they kind of like play it fast and loose. You know they're, you know it's like they can like forget about money for a weekend, go to the clubs and like let Jesus take the wheel. And for me it's like no dude, because if, like, we come out of that stupor and my bank account is here and rent is here, like I don't have, you know, I don't have a plan B, and so that was a big part of like I was a little bit more, maybe, calculated in the decisions I made as I got older and I started having some things to lose. You know, when I'm 14, 15, feels like the whole world's against me. Everybody's already told me I'm a bad kid. I don't really care about like proving them right.
Speaker 3:They've got their minds made up. It's apparent everywhere I go Like my friends, parents don't want me hanging out with them, so I've got to be like secretive about like meeting up with my buddy, like that.
Speaker 2:It's like the world's already decided I'm a bad guy. You're the kid that the parents are like, yeah, yeah, like I'm a bad guy.
Speaker 3:So there was really no loss of like, oh, if I get thrown in juvie again, they had their mind made up whether I went to juvie. But I got older, got a decent job at Safeway, owned a house. Now I've got some things to lose that I'm not going to get back very easily if I do lose them, um. And so I have to be much more calculated the decisions I make and the risks I take and granted, I was still taking risks.
Speaker 3:I mean but I was just much more calculated with that. And then, um, I just just just from having so little and finally getting a little bit, gives you an insane drive, like like the amount that you're willing to overcome to get the next foot in front of where you are now. There's just so much more to that, I think, and probably some people are just born this way. Good for them.
Speaker 1:I wasn't like it came from like years and years of not having much to like, finally getting a couple things I'm like, oh, like that's powerful, that's cool yeah, I think I'm also not a psychologist, so I could be wrong about all that I mean, I I think it's an interesting case study because typically, what you normally hear the stories of is they've already made the decision about you. So it's like, well, what, what's the point? Yeah, you know, that's kind of what most minds go to. So it it's. It's interesting that your mindset went well, I, I mean, it doesn't matter, forget them, they're not going to factor into any decision I make.
Speaker 1:I am who I am or I'm going to make decisions now that move me forward. I don't think that happens usually. That doesn't usually click with most people.
Speaker 2:I think more people end up being the statistic. Yes, that they like are branded like oh, you're a troubled kid, you know you didn't have parents or whatever you become the victim.
Speaker 1:You could have easily blamed, and maybe you did growing up, but you could have easily blamed everybody and just said well, this is what it is and this is my life now.
Speaker 3:I would imagine most of the guys I was hanging around with during those years probably did fall into that category which is too bad, and sometimes moving, even though you found success being where you did.
Speaker 2:Coming to Austin, being able to really walk away from that place physically and start something new. That had to feel very rejuvenating to start this thing here and be who you are here.
Speaker 3:It was good, I will say. By the time I got you know into my 30s back in my hometown, very few people really remembered what I would have been like it's not like I was like at work in my practice and patients were coming in and going like oh, no, dude, this guy that kid it wasn't, that wasn't really happening very much. Um, that's good.
Speaker 1:So when I was uh, when I was I grew up in a small town, went to and my graduating class was 150 or something.
Speaker 2:I knew everybody in my class right.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I was getting married but I was still on my parents' insurance so I had to get dental work done. I had to get like these four fillings. And he's a dental friend of ours and I'm laying in the chair and in walks the girl from high school that I remember. But this girl is like somebody you go please don't touch my mouth, like. I don't want you trying to do anything? But she's like, yeah, I'm going to do the fillings today. I was like, oh no, this is. I knew her in high school.
Speaker 1:She is not the person that you want to have doing that. It's the same exact description you said. She filled my fillings and my bites been off ever since.
Speaker 3:Really, yeah, oh, wow. So she lived up to your preconceived notions. She actually followed through, so I'm glad you have it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, good for her so let's talk about philosophy, of your current practice, sure, where, present time, what do you consider kind of your specialty and, ultimately, what you want to goal priority, what's the vision for you and what you're doing right?
Speaker 3:yeah, so what we do is orthopedics, just general orthopedics. Uh, probably the easiest way to explain that to people is aches and pains, sprains and strains. You know, if it hurts when you move, that's probably in my wheelhouse. If you have a stroke, that's probably not in my wheelhouse. Or if you've got a child with cerebral palsy, I probably can't help them much yeah but um, yeah, aches, pains, sprains and strains.
Speaker 2:General orthopedics is my wheelhouse, that's where I'm board certified, that's where I'm fellowship trained Perfect person to come to when you do a squat. Yeah, you tweak your back, get tired, get painful.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so that's my practice. Now I have, you know, I jokingly call this the speakeasy of physical therapy. We have no signage. We have a very minimalist website which is really just a landing page with contact information. We don't market, it's really just word of mouth. Like most of the people who come here were referred by a buddy, and that's how I like it for the time being. I spent a lot of years in the high volume, low quality physical therapy world. Most people, I believe, who have ever gone to physical therapy were in that sort of conveyor belt model where there's just like a ton of patients and you know they've got maybe like a few physical therapy assistants and like a few techs or aides and there's one physical therapist kind of behaving as the ringleader, um, and you're just kind of in this gym full of people and it kind of looks like they got most of their equipment at a garage sale right, they're like uh, here's a here's a stick and half of a ball.
Speaker 3:I want you to balance on the ball and like hold the stick over your head. You're like like why isn't there? Should there be? Like an actual machine for this. What are we doing?
Speaker 2:Do you have any physical therapist that work with you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I've got a couple part-time physical therapists that work with me. They both have other things. One is in school, so she's only here part-time. Another one is has a newborn, so he and his wife kind of take turns. I forget what his wife does, so he's just a part-time physical therapist.
Speaker 3:So, yeah, there's three of us and if we grow, it'll be slow growth because we will never go back to the McDonald's of physical therapy model, where it's just high volume, low quality therapy. Um, cause, I think that's a shame and I think that's unfortunately the way our profession has gone. I think most people who go to your you know your your big name, big box physical therapy offices, they think that's what physical therapy is and it's like no, no, no, no, when you come here, you are with your doctor of physical therapy the entire time. You're here, nobody else.
Speaker 3:Like I, never have two patients in the building at the same time. I never have two patients in the building at the same time. I never have one patient working on something while someone else is working on something else. Like you never have to split my attention with anyone else, it's it's undivided attention, you and me, for the entire length of your session, and then you go on and the next person comes. Um, and we're able to do that because we don't have the big space, we don't have the signage, we don't have the website. I'm not paying for search engine optimization, marketing, physician liaisons, human resources, coo, ceo, cfo. I'm not feeding this big corporate machine, because to feed all those people who all have salaries but they see zero patients. Well, you've got to see enough patients to pay those salaries.
Speaker 3:Well, you've got to see enough patients to pay those salaries, right? Which means you, as the physical therapist, you're going to have to see 60, 65 patients a week, while you're making a fraction of the amount of money you draw in, because most of the money you draw in is going to pay for all these things. We're keeping it lean and mean Everybody who comes in gets our full, undivided attention and if we grow, it'll be a really slow growth because we're not going to have this huge influx of money to goof around with, like yeah, so, uh, it's better.
Speaker 2:I want to like. Focus finally on like your philosophy around I mean obviously you.
Speaker 3:You train people who don't require pt yeah, um, not a lot, one guy, one guy, one person, family and his family, yeah his son when he's in town, but you obviously see a lot of people who get injured, probably working out or running too much, or doing this or the other.
Speaker 2:What is what do you? What's your philosophy on, like getting people back into training? You know risk reward around, like injury, but also, like we all you know know it's now common to hear you know older people, especially guys and ladies. We need to be working out, we need to be strength training, we need to be keeping and building muscle yeah so what's, what's been your big kind of picture idea?
Speaker 3:yeah, you touched on all these and here's this. This is where I get.
Speaker 3:Everybody's gonna hate this um so let me preface this with saying after I got my doctorate in physical therapy and I did my fellowship, I still had a lot of questions I had unanswered, and one of those was I was able to read research. Right, because that was that was beat into my head by my orthopedics professor in grad school, bob Boyle Shout out. But he said you've got to be reading the research, you've got to stay current on the research, because they're you current on the research? Because this is not a static profession, right, things are changing and evolving all the time, so you've got to stay on.
Speaker 3:So I knew how to read research studies. I knew to read research studies. I didn't know how to critically analyze research. So I would just read through the Journal of Orthopedic and Sports Physical Therapy every month and I would just take everything at face value. You know the authors, you know I'd read their little like, you know synopsis at the end and here's our conclusion. I'd be like that's what happened, because I didn't know how to like break down the research and like critically analyze and particularly, I didn't have a good system for doing like a systematic review of the literature and really finding out like what is the totality of the evidence on this particular topic and like where does that weigh?
Speaker 2:and like how is it set up? Like what are the great?
Speaker 3:so it's like, yeah, you can read one little study that says collagen is really good for your skin, but like what is the totality of the evidence on? You know collagen supplementation, say I'm not gonna answer that, but I could but so yeah, so I took a very um, so I did a whole doctorate of science, which was a whole other degree, and I had to like publish research and I had a dissertation committee and like you know, I had to do an oral exam and, like, had to go through all these crazy things and fucking three semesters or something, of biostatistics which was absolute torture, but we got through it.
Speaker 3:We got through it which was absolute torture, but we got through it. We got through it. Um so I have a very, um, much more probably nuanced and philosophical perspective when it comes to strength and conditioning, cause that was my passion and this was just giving me this new tool, a new way to look at what I'm already passionate about through this like rigorous scientific lens. Um so I would, I think my, my, you know, to touch on some of the points you, you brought up my, my philosophy would be like, you need to be doing resistance training no matter how old you are. That's. That is not like all these, you know, readers digest anecdotes. Here are 10 exercises. Nobody over 65 should do. That's's nonsense. You can do all these exercises, you'll be perfectly fine.
Speaker 3:Load management gets more important as we age but, like, resistance training is essential as it pertains to, like, recovering from injury. I think one of the biggest differences between people who are 50 years old and really fit and like people who don't look fit but they used to could, you know, is these guys learn how to train around injuries? And these guys didn't. You know these guys used to could, till my knee got messed up in that one play and then the and then they just kind of like, oh, like I, you know I used to could, but now you know I hurt my back, work and construction one summer and they just never figured out how to train around those injuries. And I'm sure you two can't even count the number of injuries you've had to train around all the time. You know you're always like I'm. I'm almost never perfect.
Speaker 2:I popped my rib foam rolling a week before my powerlifting show and I'm like how do I get through this? Yeah, for my powerlifting show.
Speaker 3:and I'm like how do I get through this? Yeah, I've got to figure this out and so like it's never gonna be perfect and you're gonna get hurt training like that is a thing you are gonna overwork things.
Speaker 3:You're gonna get you know something's gonna tweak. There's just too many moving parts for you to be in control of all of them. All the time, no matter what seminar you took for a weekend told you like you are going to get hurt doing this, but it's like okay. So we know that resistance training is going to lead to injury. We know that not resistance training is going to lead to cardiovascular disease. Which doctor do you want to go see me? Or doctor cut you open. Like I'm the way better option. I am the way better option. So like yeah, strength training is scary and you can get hurt doing it. But like then you just get to hang out with me for a couple of weeks and you're back on it, right? If you don't do any of this stuff because you're afraid of those injuries, then the doctor you see sucks Right, because he's going to talk to you about like you're going to be on a new medication. Potentially long term. You may be looking at invasive operations or procedures. Like that sucks.
Speaker 3:Do this one instead, that's great um, and then I think, as it pertains to training, um, we in the health and fitness space, particularly since the blossom of social media, have gotten really, really good at over complicating exercise and under complicating pain, right, and so, like everybody wants to be, like, you know, squat university and like you know, like all these, like every single rep has to look exactly perfect.
Speaker 3:And there's this this is ideal, like your feet should be right here and your arches should be here and your hips ought to be perfect like this. And it's like. Yet none of that's true. So how about we all stop creating barriers to exercise and inform people that, like your squat doesn't have to look like my squat, which doesn't look like his squat, which doesn't look like you, that that's all fine, and we don't have any good empirical evidence to suggest that poor form, whatever you think that means, leads to increased incidence of injury. That data just doesn't exist. Now, anecdotally, you can find it right. Anecdotally, you can find a guy who's oh yeah, I know exactly what it was, I didn't tighten my core. What we found in the literature is that far more often, that's related to load management. So if you do a deep dive in the literature, you can find way more convincing support for like load management increasing injury risk than you can find for like poor.
Speaker 2:For our listeners, explain load management versus like you know. That's something you hear about in the NBA.
Speaker 3:Okay, but like, oh, that guy's not going to play basketball because he's on load man.
Speaker 2:Is that what they call it?
Speaker 3:Okay, I'm not an NBA guy, like rest, yeah, but like give your, your definition of load man.
Speaker 3:It's, it's so. It is that right. It is rest, like you need to be adequately rested for what you're about to undertake. But the other thing is like, how are you progressing right? Like, just because your muscles got a little stronger and can now lift that new weight, are your connective tissues strong enough to support that? Like, are your joints ready to support that as your? Is your nervous system and your proprioceptors ready to support that new load? Maybe, maybe not right. So like having a good uh. So making sure that you're well rested is important and it is something we need to be conscious of. Like, yeah, maybe last week I could do 225 for 15 reps and maybe today is chest day and I'm planning to do flat bench again today, but I only slept six hours last night. Is 225 for 15 reps a good attempt today?
Speaker 2:Probably not today, because something happened last night and I only got six hours of sleep, so it's not a good idea today because something happened last night and I only got six hours of sleep, so it's not a good idea today.
Speaker 1:I saw on social media that if I take creatine, it will counteract my lack of sleep and give me just as much strength.
Speaker 2:This is literally something going around social media that if you take creatine before you lift on a day that you slept poorly, that you're going to get all of your gains back.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so just unfollow those people, that's good. It like that's, that's. It's important to figure out like, like we were, we're really good at being like hey, are you following this guy? He's really funny. Maybe we need to do a better job of like hey, don't follow that guy. That's BS, so that's nonsense, don't it?
Speaker 2:after you work out increases your muscle mass by 40%. Yeah, I don't know if any of that's true I haven't read.
Speaker 3:I haven't read up on that, so I don't know.
Speaker 2:It's never. It's. It's never like a site that's saying. It's like somebody you like, who's a friend of yours, who just like shared this.
Speaker 3:I think I do generally think creatine supplementation is a good idea. Uh, I think we need to be really careful about what we claim it can and can't Like what we claim it does. But so, yeah, that's my definition of load management is like how are you progressing, like? How are you progressing your weight? How are you progressing your reps? How are you progressing your sets? How are you progressing your sessions per week? And also how well you know, how well did your balanced diet go over the last few days? Like, how balanced was your diet Like? How well hydrated are you? How well slept are you? How stressed out are you? Like you might've slept eight hours, eight hours last night, but you had a really stressful day at work today.
Speaker 3:You don't think that influences your ability to go do work at the gym afterwards. You don't think that that's going to decrease your body's resilience to the types of loads and forces you're going to start applying to structures that you can't even name. Well, you're wrong, you know. And so, taking sort of, it's really easy to be like you know. Conjugate method Louie Simmons, iron sharpens, iron, like. I wrote this on the paper. This is what I'm going to do tomorrow, because that's what Louie would have done and it's like, yeah, that's awesome, and if you do, by the grace of God, make it through all that without an injury, you're going to be a savage. But, like, there's a lot of people who have taken that approach and got hurt and now they're used to coulds.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Right. Used to, could used to, could do this.
Speaker 1:Used to could do that, but it's like you know.
Speaker 3:So I think, being mindful and giving yourself a little bit of grace you know stressful day at work. Wife's busting my balls.
Speaker 2:People want me to write them a workout program or like you know, and and progressive, uh, overloading and like, and all that sounds great.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:But if someone is, you know, has a stressful job, is traveling, all those types of variables, you know when is it okay to say hey, you know what, I know. I'm not a hundred percent today.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to take all this back about 20 pounds, or or just take a couple sets off the back end of this workout and I think that's probably one of the most important things we can do as trainers, because if we really want to be honest with ourselves, the exercises we pick don't matter all that much right like yeah, you heard it here first, it's not gonna matter all that much like there's so many ways to get big split squat or there's so many ways to get big Bulgarian split, squat or lunge.
Speaker 3:There's so many ways to get strong. The exercises we pick don't really matter all that much and yeah, there are tips that we can give our clients or patients about how to perform this more optimally, but that form really doesn't matter all that much unless you're dealing with, like competition right, if you're dealing with a competition lifter, then all those things all of a sudden I said before didn't matter, they do matter not for risk risk of injury or decreasing risk of injury, but for enhancing performance.
Speaker 3:But for our lay people, the form probably doesn't matter all that much, the exercise selection doesn't matter all that much, but being mindful of all those other variables that are a little bit harder to quantify, I think is really important. I think training our clients to be cognizant of those things increases their likelihood of being lifetime exercisers and not. You know, it's convenient now because work's slow and I've got the money to pay, barton, you know. Well then, yeah, you're going to be diligent for that period of time.
Speaker 3:But, when work gets busier, money gets tight, then what's going?
Speaker 1:to happen. Yeah, 100% right. Well, man, I appreciate you opening up about your childhood, kind of talking about the progression of life and even the suggestions of how to manage pain and issues. So thanks so much for taking the time and being with us.
Speaker 2:It was my pleasure, man, thanks and we're going to put your information in the show notes so everybody listening that's in the Austin area and if you're like, hey, I need to have someone check my shoulder or whatever that lagging that injury that you just don't want to actually get somebody to look at. Maybe Chris is your guy.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'd be happy to take a look at him. Thanks so much.
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