The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
The hosts Mitch and Bart discuss fitness, fatherhood, and guy stuff to help men live a great life, have fun, laugh, and get a little more fit in this weekly Podcast.
The Dad Bods and Dumbbells Podcast
Next Level Peptide Science to Optimize Health with The Optimize HP Guys
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We dig into how peptides and doctor-guided HRT can protect muscle, reduce fat, and restore energy with real oversight and bloodwork. Jack and Nathan from Optimize share safe protocols, timelines, and why microdosing GLP‑1s plus recomposition stacks beat crash weight loss.
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Welcome, Premium Perks, And Banter
SPEAKER_03Welcome to Dad Bods and Dumbbells. My name's Mitch. Hey, I'm Bart. Thanks so much for listening, liking, subscribing, and sharing. We love you guys. We have continued to grow and get more new listeners. If you are a premium subscriber, thank you. If you're not, come on now. Get it done. All the cool in the notes, subscribe. We get you all the content beforehand. We we record multiple things beyond what we're recording on the podcast, and you can find it there. So check it out.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, all the uh premium subscribers got the uh the second episode of this year a week early. Yeah. And so we're trying to roll out anything that we record early, they're gonna get it first, yeah, be able to kind of pre-listen to it, enjoy it.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, a little special for you. I also have sent pictures to all our subscribers of me flexing. Oh my shirt off.
SPEAKER_02I'm sure that's true. Shirt off, flexing.
SPEAKER_03Is that what they that is that gonna help?
SPEAKER_02Well, your brother's on that. Yeah, my brother.
SPEAKER_03That's an interesting one. That's gross. Anyway.
SPEAKER_02All right. Well, when this comes out, the Super Bowl will have happened. We we cannot speak on the Super Bowl today because it hasn't happened as we're recording this. Uh, but uh yay, for the case. Congratulations, Seahawks. Or pants, whatever.
New Sponsor: Optimize Overview
SPEAKER_03No one wants the pants to win. Somebody does. Well, today's a not in our area. Bart today's a very special day. It is because as a podcast of the first of the year, we have brought on some new amazing sponsors, and it actually is in a world that I absolutely love. Of course, we're in the the world of physical, like being better, being um, you know, bodybuilding, powerlifting, all those different types of things, especially you're just anti-aging and absolutely trying to be better, trying to make these dab bods that I have a little bit better.
SPEAKER_02You have two dad bods.
SPEAKER_03Two bad dad bods. I was trying to pull you in there, but then we were talking about your six-pack earlier, and it really pissed me off. So, you know, we're not on video, so Bart, you gotta you gotta cut some weight, bro. Really let yourself go. I appreciate that. Yeah, I'll work on it. You need to get on some uh optimize. Yeah, I'll be honest. So we brought on a new sponsor, and this sponsor's awesome, and but there's a lot of things, there's a lot of things about peptides and about GLP1s and all the different pieces that I don't understand.
What Peptides Are And How They Work
SPEAKER_02Uh, I know Bart, you you have a better understanding of it, but no, it's new, it's really new pharmaceutical science. It's there's a lot going on, there's a lot of uh evidence-based research on this, but it's still very new, and so there's a lot of questions around this. There's stigmas, there's there's a lot of there's a lot of like, I don't know, is it for me? And so our goal today, bringing uh our you know representatives from Optimize onto the podcast, was just really asking them questions, let them be the experts and share with us kind of the whole picture of like what's going on with the peptide industry, but then specifically Optimize and how they're doing it.
SPEAKER_03Because we love them. So let's uh without further ado, let's welcome Jack and Nathan. Thank you guys for joining us. We're glad to be here. Now, you guys are SoCal guys, as we talked about earlier today, and you're kind of rooting for you know, who cares in the Super Bowl, but we follow players. But tell me kind of what was your journey into uh the peptide world, into this like supplement side of things.
SPEAKER_02Let's start with Nathan.
SPEAKER_05Yeah, yeah. So for me personally, I mean it's it was just it was derived from personal interest. Uh got into it kind of when things were just starting to roll out, you know, it started with Reddit, right? So there's a lot of subreddits out there, they're talking about peptides, biohacking, strength, things like that. And primarily um, you know, it was just from my own interest. I wanted to look bigger, look better, and that's kind of where everything just jumped off. Um from there got into personal training, coaching, a lot of bodybuilding. Um, and one of the things I realized personally from coaching with bodybuilding is you know, a lot of these people they take just insane amount of anabolic steroids and they're not really noticing the side effects, they don't care about the side effects. And for me, that was just a huge disconnect. And where peptides run in really is just doing everything that's good about that, but trying to prevent the side effects. It's it's being very specific on what you want.
SPEAKER_03Yeah. I first started hearing about uh peptides. You know, I'm 40 plus, BART is 50 plus now. We can say that, right? Sorry. Uh peptides, a lot of 40-year-old men are talking about. Hey, I my shoulder, I got this rotator cuff issue, I do some ejectables. Uh, what was your understanding of peptides? Because you talk about antibiotic steroids and you talk about peptides. Yeah, where does that converge? Where does that meet, or where does that even stay away?
SPEAKER_05So, peptides, it's a pretty broad standing term. You know, people think peptides, and for each person, they have their own understanding of what that means. Some people think weight loss, some people think muscle gain, some people think skin health, and really it's all of that. So it's a really it's it's got a lot of breadth to it. Um, anabolic steroids for the most part is pretty much just one big thing. It's just muscle gain. That's all people are worried about, is muscle gain. Yeah, uh, the problem with that is you know, you get to super physiological levels, it's beyond where you should be, and there's things that you're taking that your body just doesn't produce. So there's a lot of issues that come with that. With peptides, it's naturally produced, it's already in your body. Your body knows how to deal with it, and it's really up to specifically what you want.
SPEAKER_02Right. So maybe Jack, talk to us about just the actual science of like what is a peptide? Why, like, what is different about peptides versus amino acids or vitamins or anything else you put into your body that that gives some sort of uh positive response.
Bloodwork First: No One-Size-Fits-All
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so peptides are actually a chain of amino acids, and a lot of them are naturally found in your body already, um, like BPC157. That's probably the most popular one, the one everybody's heard of right off the bat. And that's actually naturally found in your stomach. Um, and what they do is I like to call them the AI of human evolution, right? Like AI is something that you program to do a specific thing in technology. Peptides are something that are programmed to do a specific thing in your body, whether that's release fat, whether that's help with your hair, skin, and nails, um, you name it, there's a peptide for it. Um but yeah, that's kind of the basics of what a peptide is and kind of how it works inside your body.
SPEAKER_02So to continue on that that track, like theoretically, somebody who's in their 20s has some of these peptides or some of these uh the ability to do this naturally, it's already happening in their body, and as we get older into our 40s and beyond, we we need to kind of turn these things back on. Is that the idea with some of these uh proteins?
Wellness Consultants And Safe Use
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it's kind of like um everything else when it comes to hormones and peptides. You're really just optimizing your body to work the most efficient way. Like everybody's like, oh, that guy has great genetics, and I'm like, well, like the genetics are giving them great hormone levels and optimized levels of these peptides in their body and everything, but it's not so much the genetics, it's actually their hormone profile. And that's why at Optimize, we do the whole blood test and everything to figure out specifically what's going on with you and what you specifically need. Because anybody who tries to sell anybody a one-size-fits-all solution in the health and wellness and fitness industry, we all know run the other way. So exactly. So, um, and obviously there's peptides that right off the bat, like if somebody's trying to lose weight, we have you know plenty of stacks that are specifically geared towards that. But where what really separates us from everybody else is that we take the deeper dive into you and what specifically you need in the long term and long run based on the blood work that our doctors get back and actually take a full comprehensive look on and can see what's going on specifically in your body, we can custom build you a formula and peptide and HRT protocol specifically for you.
SPEAKER_03That's cool.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Now speaking from, you know, as Mitch mentioned earlier, 50 plus. Yeah, I spend, you know, the time that I'm at the gym, I I talk to guys, and a lot of them are just, you know, whether or not they've even looked into peptides or TRT or whatever, they've they're struggling with the fact that they're they're trying to get healthy, they know it's important, they're trying to build muscle or just get stronger, but they're running into either roadblocks with like their body just doesn't seem to respond well, they're they're very suboptimized in terms of how their body's responding. They're not recovering, they get they're getting aches and soreness and pain and injuries and things like that. And so it's it becomes a it can become very frustrating for for people who are doing everything right. You know, it's like the it's like you know, imagine like a kid who's hasn't hit puberty. You know, some kids hit don't hit puberty like high school, go into the weight room and like I'm doing everything this guy is doing, he's venting 225, and I can't lift 95 pounds. Yeah, and like, oh well, you haven't hit puberty yet. Like give yourself a year, watch what happens. But like when you get into your 40s, it's like or 50s, you can feel like you can feel that again. Like, I'm doing everything that guy over there is doing. He's my age, and I can't, like, I just I feel like I'm just beating myself up on the habitating. Yeah, it makes you want to stop the psychological aspect of that. And so, you know, I don't, you know, nothing's right for everybody, but I think what we finally come across with peptide and uh and HRT therapies are a solution that's that's healthy that can work with a doctor and and the right prescription with uh you know the cut the bundles of peptides and HRT to really help that person feel and I mean if they're good if they're putting in the work in the gym, man, like shouldn't they get the results? I think that's the hardest thing when you know somebody who's just sitting on the couch watching Netflix, uh, you know, that that guy just does.
SPEAKER_03For those of you listening, uh Barb pointing to me, it is hurtful. It is hurtful.
SPEAKER_02One solitary tear. No, but like the you know, that's that's not what peptides are for. Peptides are for the guy that's or the or the lady who's going to the gym, putting the work in, and frustrated by the fact that they they seem to be doing everything right, and they're not getting optimized. Yep, yeah. I mean nothing works if you don't. Right.
SPEAKER_03Okay, so that's great. That's a great quote right there.
Regulation, States, And Access
SPEAKER_02Jane, Jane or Joe, Joe Smith reaches out to customize or optimize, sorry, to optimize and talk walk us through the protocol, walk us through what happens, how they're kind of taken in and supported, and all the way to the point where they're they're they're getting a profile of peptides.
How Fast Do Peptides Work
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so as soon as they sign up, a wellness one of our wellness consultants will reach out to them. And the wellness consultant, that's that's kind of something that I think also separates us from everybody else. So when I first started this, I was with a different telehealth company. This is back when I was 20, and I went in and because I was for the same reason. I was lifting, I was working out, and I was like, hey, why does why don't I look like that guy, right? Was it puberty? I mean, he's he's 12 years old, like that guy. Yeah, no, so I mean, so I went through a telehealth company, you know, I tried to do it as you know safe as I could and everything, and you know, got my blood tested, and um I ended up being low on testosterone, and they gave me a few different things, and you know, one of them was an injection, it was an injection of glutathione, which if you don't know what glutathione is, it's like one of the greatest antioxidants for your body, just great for overall health. And so I'm you know, I'm 20 years old, I don't really know much about any of this, right? I just signed up and they sent me these things in the mail, and it came with 23 gauge inch long needles. And I just knew, okay, well, when I go into a doctor's office, they give me my shot in my shoulder, so I just stuck it in my shoulder, like this 23 gauge inch long needle. With I don't know if you guys are aware of like needle sizes, it's a big needle. It's yeah, it's a hard. And so, yeah. And I didn't really I just kept doing that the whole time, and I didn't realize it was bad until actually I hired Nathan right here. It's like a full circle moment as my coach. I I went on Instagram and I was just like, I'm just gonna hire the biggest guy that I can find. You know? And I told him what I was doing. Yeah, exactly. Pro science. Yeah, that's what we did in the 80s. Now you're big. What are you doing? What are you benching? Um, but uh yeah, so I told him what I was doing, and he looked at me like I was a psychopath, and he was like, Stop that, don't do that. He was like 27 gauge half-inch needles, you're good, dude. Like, and I was like, Well, I had no idea. Like, I was just doing this the whole time, you know, and I still have like some scar tissue on my shoulders from it. Yeah. So that, but that was so literally the wellness consultant was made based off Nathan right here, and it was made to be somebody who you could ask these questions to, right? Like, you know, if you have a question about, hey, you know, what size needle is you know generally used, they're like, hey, like, you know, I use this one, this is one that most people use. It's you know 27 gauge, half inch, small, you know, you don't need one that big, but it's it's made because this is a whole rabbit hole, as everybody knows that when you jump into it, you know, there's so much information coming at you from all different angles. Everybody's got an opinion on it. So this is just somebody that you can text or call at any time. Um, they can give you uh advice that they can, and if you know it's a medical advice, we they can set you up a doctor consultation so you can get in front of a doc and ask them about that.
SPEAKER_03Um how regulated is this?
SPEAKER_00Regulated?
SPEAKER_03Yeah, how regulated are we?
Cycling, Categories, And Cognitive Peptides
SPEAKER_00I mean, we're as regulated as it gets. Yeah, we just got legit scripts certified and everything. State of Texas? State of Texas. We're also in California, Florida, um, Illinois, and Oklahoma, and we're working on getting into all 50 states here pretty soon. Hopefully by the end of February, we should be in uh 48 out of 50 states. Alaska and Hawaii might be a little bit behind. But um yeah, so I'm I it's exciting and everything. It's like you know, it's a dream full circle moment to be able to bring this to everybody in the best possible way.
SPEAKER_03That's cool.
SPEAKER_02So let's say uh somebody you know goes through the process, gets gets with the doctor, the doctor prescribes a uh you know, like some peptides, some hormone therapy, and they get started. What's generally like two, three weeks? What's the timeline when the start person starts feeling better and and and more optimized and all that kind of stuff? Like I I don't take peptides, so I'm asking as just from your experience of the phone.
SPEAKER_00I think it depends on the peptide you take and then the result you're trying to get from the peptide, right? So for example, something like BPC157, TB500, that's gonna start you know reducing your inflammation immediately, right, when you take it. And as far as you know, healing from an injury, I guess it would kind of depend on the injury that you have. Um, but you know, I've I've had injuries that you know would have taken me usually two weeks to get over, that I literally get over overnight. I remember one time I was squatting and I strained my back, and I went, I was like, I went home and I it's happened before. You know, everybody, if you squatted, you strained your back at some point, right? And you know it's just like a two-week annoying thing that just bothers you for the next two weeks. And I went home and I uh I was like, all right, well, I got BPC, like I injected and everything. And I remember I went to bed and I woke up like three hours in and I was like, dang, it still hurts. I was like, it's not working. I got upset, and then I remember I woke up again like four hours later and I was like, all right, like it's like 50% better. Let's go. Like I was stoked if it just stayed there. And then I woke up like for the last time in the morning, and I was like 90% better. I went worked out, like I was stoked. Like I was like, this is awesome. My dad has a similar story, he had direticulitis. Yeah, and um, so what that is, is like you know, it's cut, you know, that they he went to the doctor, they said the only way to fix it was surgery. He was like, you know, it's a big surgery, they cut your stomach open, they go in there, they take stuff out. He's like, I'm not doing that. Like, you know, it's one of those things where it flares up and you're on the, you know, you're in bed for a few days to a week, um, but it flares up like once every two months. And it was like, I was like, hey dad, I I just start taking this like peptide stuff, BPC 157, you know, I know that you don't like needles, but here's an oral for him, you know. So I gave him the oral pills, and literally within a week he was fine and it's never come back. And he runs it, you know, he just takes it year-round. The BPC 157 pills, it's never come back. Something that the doctor said would you have to have surgery to fix it? Like, it's it's a game changer. Yeah.
Proactive Health And Prevention
SPEAKER_02Let me ask you this. Um, what about you know, you talked about he but he takes it every day, or he takes it year round. Like, is there any cycling of peptides that you can totally cycle? Like, is that is that something that's recommended, or is it more just like I think it depends on the situation you're in.
SPEAKER_00You know, my dad he did cycle it um at the beginning for a little bit, like he'd do three months on, one month off, you know, kind of a deal. But then he just realized it helps so much with his digestion and everything, too, with his overall, you know, body, like how he felt that he was like, I just there's no reason to come off, so I'm not going to, you know, but it obviously depends on the peptide, right? Like IGF one, that would be one that you definitely want to cycle.
SPEAKER_02Um and let's let's let's before we start throwing a bunch of names that maybe people may realize. I like it. You sound super smart.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, and I was I was nodding along. I I knew what was happening. I love it.
SPEAKER_02Uh why don't you talk about maybe the the different like uh columns of peptides? Like what are what are the the main things you guys are solving with peptides currently? Uh, you know, with like skin, hair loss, uh losing weight, building muscle, recovery, you know, injury. What are what are the ones that are that seem to be?
Women’s Health, Perimenopause, And HRT
SPEAKER_00I mean, you just named a majority of them right there, but also a new set of peptides that you know everybody's you know, obviously the hair skin nails, you got the weight loss, muscle gain, body composition, stuff like that. Gut health is a huge one. Anti-inflammatory. Anti-inflammatory. And then um a new thing that's you know kind of gaining popularity lately is the cognitive peptides. Like CMAX, Link, Dihexa, stuff like that that's really good for your cognitive health. Um, that's been blowing up lately. I personally I love them. Um I'm a type of guy who, you know, I'm I've I've been known to be impatient.
SPEAKER_02To the point where if I go to if I'm like, imagine if you just like with that needle, it's gonna work.
SPEAKER_00It's gonna work.
SPEAKER_01I know. Yeah, it's gonna be enough. Perfect 20-year-old, like this way too eager.
SPEAKER_00But um, you know, I so I take CMAX and Silank every day, and I notice immediately, like, in terms of like being like, what? Like, you know, I want it like, you know, that's the cognitive snappy stuff. Yeah, like my mood is like, you know, so much more stable. But take IQ tests every hour to see if it's cognizant.
SPEAKER_05Slow incline.
SPEAKER_00But yeah, I mean it they so they're huge. I mean, there's but I mean, I always say there's a peptide for everything. Yeah. You know, you name it, there's a peptide for it. Yeah.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think it's such a different mindset around like, because it's always science is always, or not science, but medicine has always been reactive. Oh, you broke your leg, let's put you in a cast. Let's oh you have this disease, let's give you this medication. Versus like you're less than optimal, let's get you back to optimal. Let's, or let's pre you know, like kind of pre diagnose something as as you're starting to make a slide. Best cure is prevention, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
SPEAKER_05And I mean it comes in the name too, optimize. So, you know, with with peptides, one of the biggest things for that is you're not necessarily getting peptides when things are really, really bad. It's things that are kind of bad, you know, you feel like ah, there's something that I can't improve on. Here's the improvement. Yeah, right. And it comes to the proactive sense, and that really is optimizing. And in it it really that's the way that you should be doing it for your health. It shouldn't be when things are so bad you have no other choice. It should be things have the potential to get bad, but now I need to do something to fix that. Right.
Smarter Alternatives To Full TRT
SPEAKER_03That's great. So uh optimize has multiple things, and this is probably good. We can kind of break this down. Um, you do the peptide therapy, sexual health, sleep, fertility, women's health, which we haven't even touched on. Uh we're thinking a lot of man stuff, but women's health, thyroid function, which is huge for us old people over on this side of the table. You guys seem pretty young, so you should be good. Uh, weight loss, proactive care, hormone therapy, athletic performance and recovery, longevity care, wellness, hair, and skin. That's the services that you guys provide. Um, what are some things I'm thinking of the average person? Let's let's take me as an example. I'm 41 years old, I work out every day, I run, I lift, I'm still pudgy, I still got the loves, I've always had lovies. Yeah, and you know, the normal soreness, the normal things. What type of what type of just do you have a ball of generalized, like, hey, this just beyond this?
SPEAKER_05Yeah, kind of like a multivitam. You know, as you age, one of the biggest things that people complain about is energy levels. And it's a really complicated system, but really when you get down to the fundamental base, a lot of the times it's mitochondrial function.
SPEAKER_04Okay.
SPEAKER_05So when you get older, that mitochondrial function tends to dip down. Uh, a really common peptide is called NAD, and basically what it is, it's a byproduct of what your mitochondria is producing. So there's a whole ball of peptides that you can take for those same functions. But basically, what you're doing is you're trying to get your mitochondria to produce the same way it produces when it was when it was 20. When you're 20, you've got endless energy, you can do whatever, whatever. And that tends to dip, you know. And people think a lot of the times, yeah, it's due to lifestyle, it's due to poor sleep. But those factors play into a decreased stability in your mitochondria. So these peptides usually is a pretty sheer trial to fix those issues. That's good. I like that.
SPEAKER_02Staying on great, great conversation there. Uh staying on the women's uh topic, what about like women, you kind of that perimenopause? Yeah, you know, the age like kind of in the 40s to early 50s, where they're going through perimenopause and hormones are changing. That's big right now. Yeah, we hear a lot about it.
SPEAKER_05It's huge. And I think it's something that really is is kind of swept under the rug for the most part up until now, where a lot of times you hear about HRT for men, you don't hear a lot about HRT for women, and it's a more complicated system, but the reality is hormones are what dictates your health. And when you go through menopause, those hormones are basically at zero. So, what you're trying to do is you're trying to recreate the same environment for a woman as if she was 20. Um, you know, a lot of the side effects that you get post-menopausal, um, you know, obviously low libido, hair loss, fat gain, the the inability to gain muscle, it's hormone dictated. So in terms of peptides, it's things that can get those hormones back to the normal levels. Very cool.
GLP‑1s Without The Muscle Loss
SPEAKER_02So whether it's HRT treatment or and or peptides, it will help out. That will increase your hormones. Yeah. Yeah, it's so important. You know, because I a lot of times, you know, I think reality is like a lot of couples get divorced around that time where women are going through parametopause and they're just they're just not they don't feel the same. You know, they're the the husband has no. idea because unless he's like reading up on what parameters I just found out about it about a year ago myself. Well and and it's and you know it's just one of those things where you have to be very proactive about it. The person going through it but also the the partner going through it with them.
SPEAKER_03Yeah and understanding kind of what they're I think there's multi-level I think men I thankfully it started to become a more big it it's become a more obvious topic of mental health men are kind of living a silent sadness and women are dealing with change in hormones that are crazy. Because if you've ever dealt with a pregnant woman and after pregnancy it's there's just so much going on and I'm ill equipped to be that guy. I was telling somebody uh recently my son's soccer coach just had a baby. He didn't have a baby his wife had a baby and I said how you doing and he was like man slept three hours last night it's it's hard. I'm like it'll get better. Just know that my wife threw a dirty diaper it was wrapped but threw a dirty diaper at me when our son was six weeks old because I slept through all of the stuff she was dealing with. So just understand that it does it does get better but it's harder. And I think now we're shifting now I've been married 19 years shifting into a world where dealing with this why do I feel this way? Why am I struggling in certain things that I never struggled with before? We're discovering ourselves and then women the same way. So if the normal I I mean I understand 40s so like the normal 40 year old guy coming in where are we where are we at with helping on both of those levels to come together to where we're not giving them something that's going to they're going to be dependent on their whole lives necessarily I mean we don't want to throw everybody on TRT. Maybe we do I don't know maybe that'll change everybody's world for the better. But like tell me about what you guys from your experience in the optimized world what that would look like.
SPEAKER_00I think a great option to TRT is in clomaphine naturally increases your production of testosterone through triggering pituitary gland signal to your LH and FSH to create more testosterone naturally and then I think another one that everybody overlooks by the way that's a fertility medication.
SPEAKER_02Originally clomid which is it was a fertility medicine for men and women to like create more this is N clomaphene.
Stacks For Fat Loss And Recovery
SPEAKER_00And N-Clomiphene is a derivatively story about clomaphine while we're on yeah so when I was 20 and I went in my testosterone I can't wait they put me on they put me on clomaphene not N-Clomiphene clomaphine both very similar but N clomaphene has the great benefit of not converting to estrogen as much clomaphine did not have that benefit and I went in and I started taking clomophene and I remember I was like you know a few weeks into it and I'm like oh dude this is sick like you know like I'm you know putting up weight that I never did before and then I remember I was watching the blind side and I started crying and I was like you know all of this he persevered through everything. I mean it was like emotional emotional for me too but I like thought I was like you know I've seen this movie like five times so then I went in and watched it on repeat okay so this is another thing for everybody who's watching this if you're on Tier T and Clomophene whatever you're on clomaphene I went in that the next day I called my doc and I was like I need something I've something about this. You know and uh so they uh so they went in and they got my blood taken again and it turns out my estrogen was like in the 120s which is insane right so but that's that's something that I think a lot of fertility clinics or just clinics and HRT clinics, telehealth clinics, they're not looking at your full hormone profile. Like it's not enough to just take your testosterone into account. Like you have to look at your estrogen prolactin there's tons of hormones like our our blood tests are over 70 biomarkers. If you go to a standard doctor they're like 30 you know so you gotta look at the full package you're not gonna get the results that you want at all.
SPEAKER_02In fact you might get the opposite yeah well and a lot of people are buying peptides through research website research pharmacy websites where it's like under the guise of like this is a research yeah supplement you're but you're not not for not to be ingested or whatever it is. Not for human consumption. And I even know of uh technically of doctors that are prescribing that but getting it through research yeah that's that's a because it's so hard to get like through an actual pharmacy.
SPEAKER_00Yeah that's a really weird thing that's happening right now is that some doctors are prescribing these research compounds and it's like that's not legal like you know but okay um there's a there's a huge distinction too between what a research chemical company is and what a company like ours is with an actual compounding pharmacy.
Injections vs Orals: What Actually Works
SPEAKER_05So with a compounding pharmacy they have very strict rules for for sterilization for their compounds and you know it's to the point where parts per million I think it's something like six parts per million of any particulate will deem that pharmacy not able to produce pharmaceutical drugs. So you know from a safety profile when you get something from a research chemical company there there is no guarantee for anything for the safety of that there could be heavy metals there can be contaminants there can be whatever because there's no regulations to that yes it could be cheaper on paper but the risk is just too high in the sense that especially for injectables you're bypassing your body's natural defense mechanism you're basically just injecting straight whatever they want to put in your body so it's it's a huge risk to be able to go with research chemicals.
SPEAKER_00And for the price that we have we have the lowest prices on the market as far as I'm concerned you can get TRT blood work and four different peptides for less than$500 a month. Like you don't find that anywhere right like that's an insane deal.
Cost, Convenience, And Real-World Use
SPEAKER_02So you know it's uh and even better with our uh dab bods and dumbbells code that you'll find in our notes$50 per month yep son but and a lot of people and I I've heard this I've heard this uh you know not complaint but just like concern is like well but you know if I get on these peptides I'll I'll need to be on them all the time or whatever. And I and I and I remind people like aren't we on statins aren't we on I am but aren't aren't aren't guys taking Noxodil for the rest of their life because they don't want to lose hair like it's already it's the whole idea is like yes you could not take anything for your hair and just let it go bald it's time stop looking at me Bart I'm trying not to look at killing me bro but anyway the um yeah I mean it's like the whole idea behind this is like we don't have to grow old or age exactly so quickly. Yeah you know it's funny you look you you see like you'll see a picture on in on like of a guy in his 50s from the 80s and he looks like he's 70 way different and you look at like a guy in his 50s now and he looks like he's 35. Yeah you know and that's that's what's happening already just because of like the science around food and and health and going to the gyms but this is gonna this is gonna offer us another opportunity to kind of just turn not turn the clock back but just slow that process down yeah so much more.
SPEAKER_05Yeah I mean and it's it's one of those things too where we were never really intended to live as old as we have right I mean if you look at the average life expectancy a thousand years ago it's about half what it is now. So really it's compati it's combating that in the sense that as we degrade as we are intended to degrade you know a lot of people they live until 40 thousand years ago and they're done. Nowadays that's a that's a crazy you know that's midlife yeah that's horrible if you hear someone die in their 40s. So there's certain biological processes that are kind of in route to that and it's it's a matter of combating it. Now things that you would take for life would be things like that where you're trying to get certain levels to an adequate level post 40 post post 50 post 60 as it's as those things tend to decline you just want to keep them at a stable level.
First Steps For Men Over 40
SPEAKER_03Yeah I love that I I think that's a great point because you know I'm on multiple prescriptions. I'm an asthmatic I'm a mess I'm an asthmatic I I got what they call the simters triad it's the I'm allergic to aspirin I'm an asthmatic and I have chronic allergies so during COVID I was high risk. I was the high risk and I was obese at the time still probably need to lose a few pounds. But all that to say I'm on certain medications I will always be on yeah yeah they might be generic and they cost six dollars but I gotta stay on it and I gotta take them every day because otherwise my life expectancy drops consistently well actually not just life expectancy just quality of life yeah so what we're talking about is quality of life let's let's get to a place where we can do things that we never thought were possible in our 40s 50s and 60s so there's many men listening hopefully some women are listening but we're 95% men. And when my wife doesn't listen it goes down to like 98%. So what do we do as a man? Somebody listening what's the first step?
SPEAKER_05Yeah so I mean the one of the first steps really for for males um it goes down to your goals but a lot of the times it's it's very similar it's it's keeping adequate muscle composition it's keeping your body fat low and it's keeping high energy sexual function as well is incredibly important. And that's pretty consistent for for most males. And you know again for the peptides there there's very I can go nitty gritty with the compounds but really what it comes down to is the categories and there really is a peptide for each one of those categories. And it a lot of people there's an argument too where it's like oh that's a vain pursuit you know I don't really care about my body composition I don't care about it's it's not vain because it's it's the fundamental just being a human being you know you have to be healthy you have to feel healthy you want to have energy in your life and the the humility to accept that is is really important too because it just gives you the ability to live a more fulfilling life.
Rethinking “Normal” Testosterone
SPEAKER_02Yeah and I I this this is something you know I'm a trainer so you know there are clients that are like they make it really clear I just want to be healthy. I don't care about how I look you know or and I'm like what if it was okay that both matter yeah yeah and I I feel like people really want to like oh I'm you know because you there's obviously the people you go to the gym are like that person is only about aesthetics. They do glutes every hair doing shoulders and chest like that's all they do. And that's me. Same same and then there's others who are like always doing the like do you have the hit training and you could just you can just tell by their vibe they're like really into just like I want my VO2 max to be hard like that's all I care about. And then somewhere in between is like hey like I want to be healthy but I also want to look good. Yeah and I want to have like a low enough body fat but not so much that I'm like the worst person to be around like it's it's this and if I can optimize that and feel great about the work I'm putting in all of a sudden like wow like that because that's such a thing with you know with weight loss it's like so many people whether it's with Ozempic or just regular weight loss dieting they lose muscle they go from big to small but yes but all of a sudden when they were big they were strong and now they lost a bunch of weight and they're not so strong. Yeah they're injured because they tried to be strong and lost too much weight lost issue.
SPEAKER_05I mean touching on Ozempic it's a it's a going over the muscle loss is it's a pretty combination that people talk about.
SPEAKER_02So how do you all talk talk about how you would how you would normally kind of look at weight loss with muscle composition.
SPEAKER_05Yes so typically if you go through a a normal doctor nine times out of 10 what they're gonna do is they're gonna overprescribe you what the Ozempic dosage should be. Now the reason they do that is on paper when you look at the percentage of weight loss it looks great. You know you look at if someone used to be 220 pounds now they're 160 on paper that's a that's good news. You know it looks good for studies it looks good for promotion it's a great thing. But the reality is if if you do too much there's side effects like nausea um lack of appetite to the point where you don't eat for days low energy and most importantly most importantly muscle loss and bone density loss and you can argue if you get those side effects it's worse than the fat gain on its own being fat. Now what we do for Optimize really is just to microdose that to the point where we get the peripheral benefits of Ozimpic uh blood sugar insulin sensitivity things like that without necessarily getting into the I'm not gonna eat for two days I have no appetite no that's good.
Fix Foundations To Change Your Life
SPEAKER_00Then we also like when people when anybody takes a you know GOP1 and stuff like that like you said you have the potential for muscle loss because you're not eating as much or whatever we I we have this we have a reconp blend and what that does is it helps you not only lose more fat but it helps you hold on to your muscle as well and what that is is tesimerolin, ipermerolin, those two are growth hormones critigox they increase your growth hormone obviously that helps a ton with anti-aging but also muscle preserving and fat loss. And tessimerolin is really cool because specifically what it does is it targets visceral fat which is the bad fat around your organs and the actual fat around your abs. So the fat that everybody wants to lose because everybody wants to see their six pack right and then it also has MOTC which to touch on uh Nathan's mitochondrial point earlier MOTC is great for overall mitochondrial health increasing the actual amount of calories that are burned through throughout your the day in your body and then AOD which is essentially the fat loss component of HGH that helps a ton with lipolysis and stuff like that. So that's a great stack that I think personally I'm taking both I would not just take a G O P1 I would take the GOP1 with the recomp stack personally and I think that's what separates us from a lot of places is a lot of places like oh here you go here's the GOP one you know that's everybody's kind of you know moving to as the first sort of line of defense and I'm like you know you got to take the whole picture into account right you know to touch up on what you're talking about with the the difference of athletes right there's extremes to all this and you give people that just want the extreme of weight loss they just want to lose 100 pounds in three months and it's it's just not the healthy way to do it.
SPEAKER_05And that drug being the dictating factor on that there's a lot of bad stigma on Ozempic. Any GLP one really is that yeah I want to take it but you know I've heard that people lose balancy lose muscle mass it's the extremes of that drug that really caused the issue.
SPEAKER_03Yeah that's good. I mean I've been on all of them just so full disclosure Bart knows this uh GLP1s the semiglutide I lost 40 pounds almost immediately yeah I mean it was fast it was quick and then I was skinny fat. So what I quickly knew was I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to lift heavy and I'm gonna have to move into because I was running a lot I'm gonna have to move into well let me lift while I'm on a semi glutide because I what struggle I struggle with is uh food noise is like I'm constantly thinking about the next meal or the thing that's sitting if you had food sitting out here that I liked I couldn't get my mind off like real addiction right so that's what I helped was helpful and my wife asked me like well are you always going to be on it and my thought was like let's just get to our goal first. Yeah like let's get here and now as I've shifted into uh heavy like three four times uh a week lifting everybody's asked me I've had many people ask me hey man you look good if you lost weight like no actually maybe you've gained some weight yeah but what has happened is the shift happens and as I think about the yeah as I think about peptides and where it could ultimately take me is there's days I wake up and I'm like I don't want to be here what I would love is to not feel that yeah you know what I would love is to feel that energy of going hey I'm 25 let's freaking go because I wasted my 20s my 20s were sedentary now it's time to go so this is for the first time in my life feeling like there might be hope in 40.
SPEAKER_02Yeah you know and just for a comparison like if you go to restore hyper wellness and I used I they hired me to do some some advertising for them on on like selling 880 plus like you know uh Ivy drip yeah$1200 so expensive. So like the I like so expensive the you know the I think people have a hard time I think people are gonna have a hard time with the idea of like taking a shot because sometimes people are like needle nervous so there's that but man trying to do it another way it's just way more expensive and just who wants to go sit in a in an office for an hour and get IV driven yeah like was that an NAD IV Yeah that's like our NED through optimized 150 bucks a month.
SPEAKER_00And the needle is that's so cheap I know and the needle is a tiny tiny insulin needle. Like people who have diabetes use this needle every time they eat you know what I mean like it's it's so small like I I seriously do not feel it like I feel like people think it's bigger in their head and then once they do it the first time they're like oh that wasn't that wasn't that bad at all.
SPEAKER_05It's it's and you know there's a decision because people always ask the question oh peptides why can't I just take it orally and there's companies for a lot of these peptides there's some you can right BPC you can take orally there's some oral peptides most of them you can't there's some companies that sell it tell us why it doesn't work as well this is very important people understand like why can't I just take a pill? Yeah so so peptides for the most part it depends on each peptide but in general they're very big molecular compounds so there's a lot of chains to each one.
SPEAKER_03So they're they're wait we have some of the smartest listeners I'm sure they're following but for but for maybe you know somebody who does it like so basically they're very fragile.
SPEAKER_05Yeah and that the the fragility of it will once you get it into your your your stomach your stomach juices it's gonna destroy that peptide the reason you would want to inject is you're basically bypassing that system you're getting right into your body and you put it into your subcutaneous fat like the stomach fat usually yeah usually you can go into it into your muscle but yeah you can go intramuscular sub Q is typically just the easier process unless you're doing a a big amount of oil because you get that uh kind of like a lump it's just too much oil that should be injecting. So then you would go intramuscular but the peptides are water based.
SPEAKER_02Yeah so the water-based peptides makes it a lot of usually it gets there right away yeah okay 100% that's good because I know obviously you have the liver to go through and then you know exactly when you take anything oral and it's gonna be effective yeah well I tried to do the I I tried the oil semiglutide and it just acid reflux.
SPEAKER_03Anything I do oral is just acid reflux unless I inject it and I was going crazy injectables I got really kind of thick on the needle where I was I was installing a lot and I get real bad gallbladder pains. So the crazy thing about self-prescribing anything like that it would have been nice to have somebody non-judgy like optimized to say hey you know I'm feeling like I'm going to die from a gallstone you know yeah I've explored a lot of different things and what's funny is a lot of people that need stuff like you guys have have done the same thing I'm doing. You know where it's like hey I've just I've just desperately wanted to be better but I'll never do peptides or you know like that whole like thing in reality what they need is a blood test they need to go through the process. So what I'd really love to do next is I'd love for our premium subscribers to kind of talk through your guys' process of peptides and stacks. Is that possible? Yeah okay then yeah I would love to take about 10 minutes and send it to our premium subscribers.
SPEAKER_02So let's let's let's do a kind of a wrap up here um so obviously go to our show notes the uh the link is there if you put in dad bods and dumbbells when you when you sign up you're gonna get the$50 off per month so you get you say we get that savings. Just one just one month part every month every month that's unheard of that's unheard of so uh but yeah so any before the the average listener goes and and goes to sign up for the premium membership they could hear more uh what is there anything else you guys want to share about uh your company or the process or how they can get a cool hat like you're wearing yeah I mean I always just like to point out this is like kind of my staple like argument to this is um the standard for testosterone is 300 to 1000.
SPEAKER_00You go to a regular doctor they look at your testosterone and it's at 400 they're gonna say hey you're okay man but let's put that in terms of a test right if you got a 400 out of a thousand on a test that's a failing grade and why are we why are we accepting that with the biggest hormone in the male body you know what I mean we want you to be optimized we want you to be 900 to 1000 and you know you you that's what we're here to do. We're here to optimize you make you feel your best live longest live long live strong live optimized that's our slang.
SPEAKER_03That's great. I love that uh how about you Nathan you're jacked as can be you can't see this what I'm hearing is uh ultimately what are you um with Optimize the average man yeah yeah so I mean my the one of the things that got me really into peptides is you know number one the health but beyond that it's it it it's really just it's resetting your life right it's resetting your health so there there's certain fundamental things that you need to make sure that are in check before you're able to take control of your habits take control of your mindset your thoughts things like that right so if you're able to fix those it gives you more agency to fix everything else and a lot of people they feel trapped they feel like they're in a slump you know a good example is my girlfriend she's a hypothyroid so she
SPEAKER_05Yes, to take thyroid medication. Her her doctor misprescribed her thyroid medication. She was in basically a depressive coma for a couple months. That was dictating that. It was purely on her thyroid hormones. So if we can fix those things for most people, it's going to give people the agency to really change their life. Yeah. Amen. I love that.
SPEAKER_02Well, hey, I take a thyroid medication, so I'm going to ask you on the in the uh the premium, you know, thing.
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SPEAKER_02The exclusive premium cast here uh about that because I'd love to hear how how peptides can solve or can support that versus just taking. I literally every morning I wake up, take two pills, and then I can't eat for an hour before to let that like digest independently. So annoying. So love to hear any more questions. All right, guys. Thanks for being here. Thank you, Jack. Thank you, Nathan.
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