Ep 139. Everything You Wanted to Know About Waterbirth

The midwives answer frequently asked questions about waterbirth:

• The benefits of using water for coping with natural labor
• A few reasons women don’t like or want to birth in a tub
• How to birth safely in water and why baby’s don’t take a breath under water
• Second-best hydrotherapy options if a birth tub is not available to you

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You're at home with Kelly and Tiffany. I'm Kelly I'm Tiffany. And today we are talking about waterbirth. Yeah, we are. And I just have to say also I have a crying. Five-year-old in the other room. It has been one of those days. Yeah. I mean we'd, before we started recording, I was like, I'm sorry about that, Kelly, because my kids are so much older. I feel like we're just blazing forward. And when we spend time with little kids, I'm like, oh, you're such a little kid, which is disorienting for me because my two older are like your two older kids. And then I just have this little one that I'm like, I have to remember that you're still, you. You still have days like this where you're just little, but I will say my middle who's 10 now. Has her own kind of days. It's it's different, but I'm like, oh yeah, yeah, no, it doesn't get easier. It just gets different as they get older. It's all of it is. Can be hard. Absolutely. I would say inconvenient would be my key parenting word. Lots of sacrificial love happening. Yes. And that's, that's just what it is. Yes it is. I have those kinds of days. That is true. We saw, I was going to say, we know how to handle them, or like in a more socially acceptable manner, but sometimes I don't. So, yeah, sometimes it's not socially acceptable. Nope. Or familialy responsible, right? Yeah. Taking our bad days out on the people we love the most. As we do, you guys can hear all about that in the episode. Called mood swings for moms or something like that. Which we recorded for ourselves. Yeah, I don't care if anyone listens to it. That was one therapeutic episode for me. It was very helpful. I'm not going to lie. So hopefully five-year-old crying. Five-year-old does not come in the room while we're recording. We locked the door. So if you hear some banging. Or clanging. She has food and water out there. And adult supervision. Yeah, that too. But she doesn't like being separated from her. Mommy? No, she dies. It. I can understand that. Okay. I want to do a shout out to the listeners. Because sometimes we do. Sometimes we ask you guys for stuff and you're like, yeah, but I'm driving in my car. So no. Or whatever I'm making dinner, or I don't know what your actual reason is for not doing what we ask you to do. I'm sure there are good reasons. First of all, how dare you? But last time I asked you guys to rate and review our podcast. Y'all showed up. So encouraging were so thick for a little bit. There. We were like any is. We can see that people are listening, but does anybody really listening? Do we care about this anymore? Yeah, I think, I think when I said, please leave a review. I was like, I don't think you guys understand how this actually helps us to create more of this. So I feel like that was the nugget. And this is why it just truly fuels the fire. When you guys say that you like what we're putting out there and you tell us specifically, What it is that you like about listening to the show? It truly does just drive us to create more. When we took a break last year from podcasting. It was an easy thing to let go of in the sense of like, oh, Here's this piece. We have to put something down. It's going to be the podcast because podcasting is not required in order to function in your life. It turns out. But when we picked it back up again, it was months after taking time off. And people told us all the time. When are you going to bring the podcast back? When are you gonna bring the podcast back? And that's probably the number one reason we decided to bring the podcast back is because it was missed. And so it's kind of a funny little monologue that we ended up having Cuba. We're just talking to people constantly. This intent of getting feedback. And so anytime we get any amount of feedback from you guys that is so helpful. So send us emails, send us Instagram messages, write reviews interact with us in the other spaces. Cause it really does help us to be here in this funny little space. Yeah, it just sounds like sometimes I just feel like we're like, please like, love us, please write the things. But like Tim was saying, it really does. Matter both for us personally, but also professionally in terms of how this podcast shows up in different spaces. And so that is just a huge encouragement to us when you leave. I mean, even if you're just tapping the stars, that's great. When you're writing stuff that just encourages other people who are searching around too. So you are a part of the story of getting this information into other lady's hands too, when you do that, which is super cool. It just comes full circle. Yeah, it does. Okay. So we have a beautiful five-star review from Bridget N P K. She says such a great listen. I've been absolutely loving this podcast, Kelly and Tiffany do such a good job of sharing information and wisdom, but also making it fun and enjoyable to listen to. Thank you both. Yeah. Thank you, Bridget. That's really sweet. Truly thank you for taking a moment. This is, that's what we're here for. It's a delicate balance between education and entertainment and we don't always land it. No, we don't. It's funny, like the the space on. Instagram, like on social media, there's an obvious way to do that. Right. Like in terms of like, you can be doing something funny yet still sharing information or doing something. Whatever you can still entertain. But here in the podcast, sometimes I'm like, what's, that is that helpful. And then we get feedback from people who were like, gosh, that like that little tidbit changed my life. I'm like, that's funny. That was a joke. Like a true, like, We were just trying to laugh and have fun, but it also was true. So. That's fine, but it was really good. And in fact I love it that some of our friends listen, because I don't listen to all my friends podcast. That'll. No time for that. Unfortunately. But our friends who have our personal numbers will text us periodically sometimes and just say like, okay, I'm finally switching over to natural deodorant. I've been digesting that information for two and a half years now. And I'm finally ready or, Hey, the holistic dental episode, you know, it's changing everything about how I look at this for my family, those little pieces, they really matter because otherwise we don't know how well we're doing. Yeah. And we're like, I don't know. Do people know this? Do they not? Are they interested in this? Are they not? And so it's, it's definitely an encouragement for sure. Totally. Is. Okay, so jumping into a water birth discussion today, this is something that is like, it's such a low hanging fruit. That I, we don't even think about doing topics like this because it's just so saturated. Every single thing we do a part of our work. It's the most normal thing ever. We forget that people have a ton of questions about water birth and how it works and all of that. Yeah, for sure. It's funny. I was having a conversation with somebody today. Who's having a hospital birth and she was like, I'm watching a bunch of different types of birth videos. Homebirth hospital laying on your back, whatever she was like, it's really hard to find birth videos. That are outside of a hospital that aren't in the water. Right. And so she was just talking about the, you know, the contrast and whatever, and it's not because every home birth happens in the water. It just so happens. I think that those are maybe the ones that get shared more or like the photos. Get shared more something about it is very easily. Sent out to the masses. I have some theories about that. I actually do too. Oh, can I share mine? Yeah. Okay. It's probably a similar theory. Well, number one, what I thought of just when you were saying that, because I've wondered this too, because I want to tell people, I mean, people ask us all the time. So if I haven't maybe be at home, do it, do I have to have my baby in the water? And we're like, no. You're not forced to have a water birth at home, but if that's all the images you see, you think like, is this a part of the thing? Like, is that what I have to do? And the reason that all those images are circulating, I think is because number one, it's it's, it's a prettier scene. It just truly is. Yes. Everybody is. Cleaner. Yeah, for sure. And there's, you know, light sparkling off the water and nobody's on top of mom all, you know, like she has her own space and yes, yes. And we don't have any really close up VAD shots. Yeah. So there's no need to like blur out a butt hole or divert your eyes from this rapidly expanding vagina if you're catching the actual birth. So it's a slightly removed, which makes a lot of people feel more comfortable. So I think that's one of the reasons, those images, those are some of the reasons, but what I just thought of just now, while you were talking about it is. The type of woman who's going to invest her time and energy and financial resource in. Her home birth. With all the equipment for her water birth is also probably going to invest her time and money in a birth photographer. Yeah. So I think those pieces kind of end up going together also. Yeah. It's more photographed because the person who's in charge is. Creating more opportunity for it to be photographed. Yeah. I think that's a super wise, I'm trying to think of the stats in my head of our clients in terms of who's hiring a birth photographer and who's also getting a tub. It's funny. I was not one of those people waterbirth personally has never been. It was somewhat of an interest for me with my second. That was my first home birth. But it was not on my Rio radar and I didn't get into the T it was blown up, but like, I didn't feel like. Well, I didn't have time, but I wasn't sad about that. And with my third birth, I was like, I don't even want to get a tub. And that's just me. Personally. But I'd seen so many and I was like, I get that. It's so great. It's just not my thing. Okay. So we will dive into how do you know if water birth is right for you and all the pieces of putting water birth together? We know that you guys have a lot of questions about that. We will answer those, but before we get into it, I want to share an auditory recipe because I have not shared one of those in a long time. Not because there are not many to share, but sometimes I just forget. The all the different things that we like to share here. And. I could just go on and on, on, we could do an entire episode on some sentiment ideas and. No topical application whatsoever, but I just taught an herbal workshop this morning for our members inside of our beautiful one midwifery membership. And these, these recipes that I taught our members were so simple, but I'm sure it was helpful to have a video there. It was like a tutorial live video that everybody got to tune into or watch a replay of. And as I was going through it. We did four of these main herbal recipes. We did we made a tincture together. We made an oil infusion together. We may in some herbal pills together and we made a herbal tea. Infusion. And I think the thing that was most surprising to the ladies who've watched this, how easy all of those things actually are. It feels like an overwhelming thing to take on, but you actually. It's very simple. There's very little that you need to do it. You know, and you don't, I didn't even like measure anything. I just like threw it together and just encouraged everyone to just do the same thing. I'm like, I'm, I'm, I'm involved in this again. Am I balling this again? Because. If you get too technical with some of these things. And there's not a real reason to be technical. Right. I'm not like adding a. You know, cayenne to assume. Well, and you're not like baking cookies where if you add too much of something, like it really will wreck it. Right. Yes. So I want to share an auditory recipe of how to make a tincture so that you guys can listen today here, how easy that is and go home and practice that go home and replicate that. So you start with a glass jar, it can be any glass jar, Mason jar. You can you can use a quart jar, but that is going to give you. It will yield a ton of tincture, which is perfectly fine. If you want to end up with a lot of it. I did a core of Leah this morning, because now we're going into a fall and winter. I know that that is my preference for immune boosting and my family. And so I know that I'm going to use a ton of it. And so I was happy to make a lot of it also tinctures just last forever. So if you make a ton of something, whatever, put it on the shelf and use it up as you go along. You can use almost any herbs for tincture. Lemon balm, dandelion, anything that you find on the shelf that you see a benefit for for yourself or that you're buying for yourself, you can buy the bulk herbs. We have lots of resources on our website for that, and you can throw it in this glass jar. So you're going to fill the entire jar that you use. Up to like probably the, the neck. Where it starts to go into the threading, maybe an inch below that you're going to fill it with herbs. Don't pack them down, but just loosely fill the whole jar with herbs. And then you're going to pour 80 to 100 proof alcohol over it. And some liquor stores even carry 120 proof alcohol, which is called ever clear. And you can kind of call around to the liquor stores in your area and ask if they carry it because it's a little bit hit or miss here. So I imagine that's the case in other places too. But even just like, a Bacardi, 1 51 or a. Good Tito's vodka or, I mean, truly any type of good clear alcohol is going to pull the herbal properties out of your herbs. And. Throw. Throw that all together and in six weeks time, You're going to have your tincture. You've strained the herbs out. And either well, I would just, I would just throw those away and then you have the, I mean, you can reuse herbs for other things, but herbs soaked in alcohol, I don't think is a. So what we're looking for here. Now nobody needs that. And then you have just the liquid leftover that you can either keep in a jar or pour into, you know, used. And washed out tincture bottles, or you can buy tincture bottles online, really, really simple stuff. That is a very, very easy, the only tinctures, which is funny. Cause I make. You know, herbal infusions all the time. The only tinctures that I've ever made are placental tinctures. Right, which is similar. It's very, very similar. The piece of placenta, the high proof alcohol waiting for six weeks. Going about your life with it forever. Yeah. So keep it somewhere where you can see it because every few days during that six week period, you want to kind of turn it over just to keep the. Alcohol moving and replenished. And so you don't have all the good stuff sitting at the bottom. But that is literally it that's easy. Yep. Talk about an auditory recipe when. Thanks Kelly. You're welcome. Alright, now let's jump into water, birth stuff. We've already answered the question. Do I have to give birth in the water? What are some other really frequently asked questions? When. People are trying to digest the concept of waterbirth. Yeah, I think, I think because of the way it's often shared, usually we see like the blue blowup tubs or now the various aesthetic white blow up tubs, which. I'm not going to lie at first. I was like, is that like, okay, that's cute, but like isn't necessary. And then we saw it. Real life. And I was like, oh, this is, this is really nice. But do you have to actually go out and get a blow up tub like that? Either rent it or purchase it yourself? Or can you just use your bath tub at home? And you absolutely can use your bathtub at home. One of the, especially if it's like larger, right? Not just one of those. I don't know what you would really even. Call them those like solo. The ones that my kids take a bath. Yeah. If you cannot straighten your legs in your bathtub, you do not have a home birth, water, birth bathtub. No. For sure. But yeah, if you can submerge kind of your lower half and change positions, like, right. You're going from kneeling, squatting as you desire then absolutely. You can use that. And what's really great is that it uses less water. So it takes less time to fill up. We get a little more flexibility in terms of ideal water temperature. Also, we can really easily let water go out, clean things up, add some more in and speaking of cleaning too, that's just going to be infinitely more. Easy to clean. So yeah, you can, you can do that. Oh, Hey, while you're talking right now, I'm making a list of waterbirth supplies for our Amazon grape storefront. So everything we talked about here by the time this episode is live in the show notes, you will find. A supply list for waterbirth. Go rate because it is, if you're putting it together yourself, we have like a few people here in our area who rent out birth tubs, but in doing so they add in right different types of pumps and hoses and. Adapters for hoses and that kind of thing. So there is a bit more to think about when you are using a tub that is not your own home bathtub with that being said, It's not so overwhelming that it will make you stop from renting or from purchasing your own. No. And especially you're mean if you're, if you have a midwife attended birth, your midwife is most likely going to either talk you through all of that, or for sure, be a part of helping you. Set up all of those supplies, checking your supplies and whatnot. Okay, next big question that we get. Can the baby take a breath underwater after they are born and before they come up from the surface? I think this idea freaks people out. And quite honestly, when I was first learning about water birth, even though I had already had some information about birth, I was already like being trained as a doula or something. Probably when I wondered this, I'm like, How does that work? And how can I be a part of something that makes me so uncomfortable? Right. So no, it, it, it would be so crazy rare for that to happen. We don't actually, even, it's not even considered a real risk for waterbirth. So they're going to respond to that feeling of air kind of hitting their face before they have the reflex to actually breathe for the first time. So they're inside of you. Surrounded in fluid, they come out of you surrounded in fluid. And so that reflex hasn't quite been stimulated stimulated yet until they come up from the water. Now, if you bring them up from the water and then bring them back under water, that's not good. No, that is called drowning. Your baby. That is what we do not want to be doing. And so that reflects is kind of just delayed until they're brought up, which is often, I think I see the difference also in those babies, that first reflex of being born into the. On land, right into the air versus babies who are coming up from the water, just tend to. Start out a little bit more slow. Not in a bad way whatsoever, but it's just something that I've kind of noticed with that being said, I have seen videos of people. Specifically keeping their babies underwater before they bring them up a little a while. And. I recognize. That makes me very uncomfortable. Yeah. And you know, I've played around with that feeling a little bit because we don't want to be. Fearful of something that's not reality, right. And it would be really, really rare for you to. For your baby to take a breath, even if you're keeping your baby underwater after they've been born. But quite honestly it is, that's not natural for me. In my brain, my brain, it would, it's similar to like, if you gave birth to your baby on your bed. And then you just looked at your baby crying on your bed instead of picking your baby up and just embracing life together. I don't know. That's probably not the best analogy, but I agree it is uncomfortable. And I think people should give birth to their babies under water and then bring their babies up out of the water. Yes, absolutely. And a caveat also. Just because this has come up at a couple of birds. If you are birthing your baby in the water and plan to bring them up from the water, your entire baby's head needs to be born under the water. So there have been some situations where like, water isn't high enough or mom's position keeps bringing her out of the water. And we try to explain. You do what you need to do, but if you want to watch, if you, if you want to birth this baby in the water. We have to. Stay in this general area. And there's been times where it's been hard for moms to. To do that. Yeah. And you know, sometimes we have to say. Well, stay then stand up. Right. You can't, this crouching thing is not going to work. You have to stand up because if your baby's head comes out in the air and then the rest of the body comes out, that brings the baby under water. That is again, back to what we were just discussing what we do not want. Yeah. And sometimes. A baby who's like tangled in their court a little bit too. Moms need to get up to just give us some space to untangle them depending on how that is, because otherwise you would be putting the baby back in the water to try to untangle. So there's some situations in which the romance is. And a little interrupted, but that's just birth in a nutshell. Ain't that the truth. Okay. It is. It is really clear that waterbed earth helps with pain management and is a huge benefit to the mom. There's a lot of research out there that supports that. Ask any, almost any woman. I would say 95% of women who have experienced land birth and water birth will say that at least for the labor, maybe not the birth itself, but the labor for sure. Being in the water was a enormous coping tool. Yes, absolutely. That like relief that sigh of relief that moms all like often get when they get into the water's super sweet for us. I remember maybe it was somebody at my doula training or something like years and years ago. It was. I don't know, some people call it the A role like that kind of idea of, oh, it's, it's akin to getting some kind of. Edge off rate, whether that they're, they're likening it to right medication, but the idea is right and just like takes the edge off at least. At least for awhile. Yeah. So how do you know if you're someone? Cause I think we can tell this ahead of time. How do you know if you're someone who is not going to like the water. Well, we have had, we have had clients who have come in and be like, I hate baths. The water makes me uncomfortable. I remember I forget who it was, but somebody was talking about how they don't like being wet. Yes. I remember that too. And we were talking about, she was like, I just don't know. I mean, I know that's really good for pain, but I just hate being wet. And I was like, then that's probably not a good choice for you, which is acceptable. Yeah. Don't plan on a water birth. If you do not like being wet. Some moms really enjoy hydrotherapy in general. But they get into the tub and there's something about it with the phase of labor that they're in, that they can't quite get grounded, the buoyancy of the blow-up tubs or not enough something to hold on to, or a hard tub. Isn't soft enough or they can't get comfortable or something. So it's not uncommon for a mom to be like, yep. This is the thing. And gets in the tub and is like, I know I hate this. I want to get out. And we're like, that's fine. You can give birth on land. It is possible and what you need to view a birth tub and just birthing in water in general as is one of the many tools that you have in your toolbox. So if you come at it like that it can, it takes the pressure off of like, well, I got this birth pet. I was supposed to give birth in the water, right? Yeah, of course we would love to give you. The experience that you're desiring, but if it's not working for you, just like if listening to the hypnobirthing affirmations in the moment is not working for you, it doesn't mean that that's a failure or that. You know that wasn't a good idea or not worth it. It just. If you just go to the next tool. Yeah, absolutely. And so like, it's totally okay to plan for water birth and not know if you're going to use it or not, but it feels good to have that as a backup plan. Like, okay, well I have the materials it's here. If I need it. And it's also okay. To completely forgo it and use some other form of coping, including being in the shower is almost comparable. To the type of relief that women report that they got from the tub. So if you're burning someplace that doesn't have a tub or you don't have the resources, or you think that something about having the birth pool itself is not going to work for you, get in your shower. Yeah, a hundred percent and bonus points to the people who have showers or the locations that have showers that are just large enough at least to put one of those like yoga ball, birth balls in, I did that so many times with clients birthing in hospitals in particular, but some people's homes and showers. Right. To be able to sit there and just sit. You know, it was swirling your hips, but getting that same, like just. Water feeling all over you, down your back, over your belly, whatever. That's great. Yeah. And I mean, showers are generally like these small clothes, quiet, dark bubble. That's a word. Workable workable space that not a lot of people can get into. And even we don't because we'll get our arms wet and stuff. So if you want to be by yourself and you want people to not bother you, what a perfect place to go labor. Actually that is as a, as a midwife. That's actually one. I mean, and I see it for moms too, but like as a midwife, it's one of my favorite things, I guess, about water birth is that it stops me from it. It's sort of provides this barrier and not that I'm so quick to be hands-on or anything, but it creates this little cocoon for mom around her. Right. Where it's like, it just, it's just another reminder for everybody. Like this is her space. You know? Yeah. I mean, it keeps our hands out of things. It keeps us from knowing every single detail about what is happening on the paraniem because most of the time it's not needed. So when we participate in. Birth thinking that we need to know and see and do every single thing it takes away from the mom's experience of really owning that herself. So it's good for your attendance also to. For you to, you know, Tuck yourself away in some water somewhere. Yeah, for sure. Can we listen to heart tones when the mom's in the pool or do we electric cue everyone by. Electrocute. That's our main goal. Yes, we absolutely can. There are waterproof. Probes for Dopplers. And that's exactly what we use. Usually moms are like, oh, do I need to move? Or whatever. We're very, despite getting are not wanting to get in showers because we're going to get our arms. Usually we recognize we're just going to have to sometimes dig kind of far into the water and deal with that. Hopefully you have a midwifery partner who will roll your sleeve up a little further for you. That is nice. It has come in handy many a time. But yes, we can, we can do the same exact type of listening that we would do on land. Whew. Okay. So how would a woman know if she has room in her house for a birth tub? I mean, If you have a home, you probably have some where in that home that a birth tub would fit. They're not drastically like massive. And usually what ends up happening if the room is generally speaking kind of smaller. Families. We'll just move. Furniture around to kind of hole up something in the corner and make that work. So. Usually it's not a problem. I mean, unless you're like birthing in a fifth wheel or something, I have done a birth tub and a fifth wheel. I'm proud of you. It was great. Where like in like the living space. Yes. So they cleared some furniture out and they had to take really everything out of that space. But the table and whatever. Yeah, but there was plenty of space for the birth tub to be up for us to be able to move around Mo most sides of it and impressive. Get water in there. Was it like a regular size yeah. Trailer type thing? Well, not trailer. So like our trailer is kind of small, right? Yeah. Fifth wheels tend to be wider and bigger. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool. But yes, for the most part, your birth tub is going to fit. As long as you have a place or I guess a hose that's long enough to get from your water source to the actual tub, that's going to be usually the main issue of. Of TBA placement. Absolutely. Okay. So what if your water breaks and labor, can you still get in the tub? Yes. Yes, you can. Can you use the tub if you're GBS positive? Yes. Yes, you can. Is it true that getting in the tub and early labor can slowly bring down? Unfortunately it's also another. Yes. So while that's not I'm sure there's people listening who are like, I did that and it didn't. So it's not a one size fits all answer. But. In early labor, there's a bunch of different stuff that can slowly we're down. Right? The idea of using a birth tub should be things are like rocking and rolling and moving forward. And you get into at that point where you're like, I am desperate for something else and you get in and you feel that relief and it gives you that second wind of like, yes, I can do this. So, That's generally speaking timing wise. With that being said, You know, one of the main things that they recommend for like, you know, very early labor or I guess more so like prodromal labor, where it's like just going and going. But not really like. Pushing into labor would be getting a warm bath. Right. And the idea is that it'll calm everything down. And so what we want to do is yes, we want to call everything down. When you are active. Actively laboring to the point where that feels good to have a little bit of a edge taken off, but. Not so early that your body's like, oh yeah, that's really nice. That's just going to load me into some sleep for a bit. Yeah. I mean, the idea is that you just want to have a baby, right? Yes. And again, that is one of those things that we discuss. Quite a bit with our clients to have like, you know, when they call us and they're like, oh, I'd like you to come or, oh, here's what's going on. Can I get in the tub? I don't want to do this too early. Sometimes we get in our heads, like sometimes moms get in their heads about it. This must be too early. Last time my labor looked like this and it was forever. And I got into the tub too early. Right. And what we're watching all the signs and we're like, no, you should get. You just start filling that up and we'll meet you. In the tub. What did we get there? Yeah. Yeah. So it's a good thing to check in with your midwife about. Timing into the tub. Okay. So speaking of that last topic on waterbirth, how do we keep the water temperature stable? Yeah, it's a part of that is timing. Like we were just talking about not filling it up too soon because Obviously the longer that the water's out, the more heat that it can lose. But we just tried, we tried to. Heat it well, as we're filling it up and then. There are some like covers and things like that to keep things contained as much as possible. But sometimes we do have to let some water out and add some more hot water in, and that just. That's just part of it. Yeah, we just bail. Yeah. Bailed the tub with like pots and buckets. And then add more hot water. Yup. We are not above boiling, every pot of water that we can find. If we need to do that. Okay. Do you remember the birth that we were at? Where the sump pump failed? And so I'm like, don't worry. I know how to siphon. Yes. But I couldn't get it to siphon either. Because of the angle. That wasn't quite right. Yeah. I didn't have gravity working quite right. And we bailed that entire tub out by hand and then had to kind of care. Oh yeah. No, that was, that took most of the postpartum recovery time. Yeah. And my back. We also put a submersible pump in that. Started smoking. Yeah, we were looking at it. We're like, that's not quite right. We got to use a different one. Thankfully, we had eyes on it though. We try not to set your house on fire. It's good. We try not to flood your home. Never have flooded home, actually. Earlier this week. I was talking about that on Instagram because a little kid at a career day, like a six year old asked me. If birth times ever flood the house, it's a legitimate question. And I was like, this is, I'm so glad that you asked that. And then I, I, you know, I listed it on a bunch of questions that other kids had asked and then a ton of messages came in and they're like, we, we, we. Actually answer that question, because what happens if the birth tub pops or it starts leaking or whatever. And I was like, I was actually at a birth where we could see the air exiting the tub and we had to quickly get her out, put a submersible pump in, get the water out as quickly as we could. We put her in her home bath tub, which is not where she wanted to give birth, but like she still wanted the water birth. So we just pivoted. And thankfully we were like, we were chasing the air, but no flood. Woo. Okay. So we had clients in the very beginning of our practice. So it'd be reduced like brand new midwives, just trying to go out there and change the world. And these clients had some really particular things going on. It was definitely personality, but the dad felt really uncomfortable putting. The birth tub on the second story. Of his very modern and structurally sound home without contacting a structural engineer first. And do we, and did we have any resources for that? And I was like, dude, we can. I don't even know how to answer Liz. No, not have resources for you, but he did. And he got the okay. From the structural engineer and she had a water break upstairs. Oh, bless it. And the house didn't cave in it. Didn't. So I think that there are people out there who if they think through the pieces, they're actually like, wait, how many gallons of water is that? How much does that weigh? Is that okay. I have never heard of anybody ever having it, a structural issue. If the, can you imagine. No. This is awful. Really terrible. Yeah, no, not even in very old. Homes. Have I seen. Any kind of issue like that. If your home can not hold that amount of weight on it, you shouldn't be living on that floor. No, because think about like filling a bathtub. In a second story, not as much water, but still, still heavy pieces of furniture, people, all your kids on your bed. I mean, this is all the same amount of weight. Right. I got them really. We need to use our reasoning skills here. Yes, we do. But that birth also blessedly was the one where they covered the entire floor with. Sticky plastic wrap. Remember? And. I remember I wore shoes or I wore socks. I like to wear socks, I guess two births. Anyway, I was wearing socks and I was like, It wasn't so it didn't feel as sticky, but then I stepped in water. So then I had to take the socks off. And then I was like, literally the entire night, it was like, you know, when cats are like, you put like little boots on cats in there. Just bringing their art, like paws up as high as they can. Cause they're like, what is this? Yep. And we've served some interesting people. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. All right, ladies. That's all we're going to cover on water birth today. Hopefully. The most important details. We did include some helpful things in there. Sure. Hopefully this feels like a viable option for comfort in your labor pain relief, a calm birth experience element. All of that. We want that to be a consideration for you ladies. Yeah, we do. And if you have not heard already, our membership is still open for a low monthly fee. You can jump in, check it out, get access to the herbal workshop that I talked about from earlier in this episode, and so much more. The doors are still open, but the price is going to go up soon. So if you want to check it out and get in for a low price, this is your chance to hop in there and. 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