At Home with Kelly + Tiffany
At Home with Kelly + Tiffany
Ep 183. Detox Protocols for Preconception, Pregnancy + Postpartum
Straight from the FAQ arsenal, we're chatting ALL about liver health and detox support during preconception, pregnancy, and postpartum. If you've ever wondered, "Is this safe..." you're in the right place! Learn about supporting your liver, our specific supplement protocol, and practical tips to keep your body thriving in these important seasons.
00:00 Introduction to Kelly and Tiffany's Podcast
01:09 Today's Topic: Detox Protocols for Women
02:32 Icebreaker: Imagining Our Elderly Selves
11:09 Understanding Detox: Phases and Processes
17:38 Detox Considerations for Preconception, Pregnancy, and Postpartum
23:17 Practical Detox Tips and Listener Questions
27:31 The Importance of Sleep Postpartum
28:41 Safety Concerns with Breastfeeding and Detoxing
32:46 Dry Brushing: A Simple and Effective Detox Method
36:03 Can You Overdo Detox?
36:59 Top Three Detox Priorities
40:41 Epsom Salt vs. Magnesium Flakes
42:27 Essential Supplements for Detox Support
50:59 Conclusion and Additional Resources
Links We Chat About:
Our Liver Detox Fullscript Protocol
Liver Health in Pregnancy Guide
Ep 101 Detox for Hormone Imbalance
Ep 129 Detox for Estrogen Imbalance
Ep 154 Detox with Lymphatic Drainage: Dry Brushing
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Kelly:Welcome back to at home with Kelly and Tiffany. I'm Kelly.
Tiffany:And I'm Tiffany, and today we are in. For such a treat, talking about detox protocols for all the stages of womanhood, really. But we specifically labeled it for preconception, pregnancy and postpartum because those are the phases of life that are least understood. There's the most amount of confusion out there about detox information, and so yes, you can apply this information to all of your lady life, but we're gonna go into. How to do it for these specific seasons that, you know, the general consensus is don't detox or it's dangerous. We're gonna talk about how to do it.
Kelly:Yeah, and I'm excited because this is probably one of the, the things that we get most questioned about because detox rhythms in our lives, like you and I, TIFF are like, we talk about them a lot, especially on Instagram and things like that, and people are like, Ooh. Is this pregnancy safe? What about post? What about when I'm nursing? Can I do that? What about getting in, like, is it okay to dry brush or, you know, even some of the more gentle things. And so this hopefully will serve as a good place to kind of get a foundation in what what really we mean by detox and some of the things that you can start adding into your life or potentially taking out things like that in this particular season.
Tiffany:Yep. And before we dive in, Kelly, our icebreaker question this morning, this one's a little out there, so. I don't know what you're gonna do with it. I'm actually really excited. I was ins, I was inspired by being around people that are like older, elderly, I would say recently. You know, like my mom, one of our, actually all of our neighbors, we moved into a, a neighborhood. With people who have been here since I don't know, 1482. And so I'm talking to lots of people recently and just observing their life and stuff, and I just think, what are we gonna be like when we're old? And my question for you, I like, just don't know. I have no idea what we're gonna be like when we're old. There's no way that we can be like the, the old people that are around us.
Kelly:Nope. No way.
Tiffany:It's like that. No, there's no way. But I don't know what it's gonna look like. It's so, it's so, so obscure to me. Okay. So my question for you is, can you imagine, or as I force you to imagine in this moment as you get older, like let's talk about like 70 plus years old. Can you imagine giving up things that you do for your health now, or that you, or that people just say in general, are good for you? Can you imagine giving that up as you get older because you're like, well, the whole point was to get to this age, and that's why I was avoiding doing these things. And now that I'm old, I'm not gonna waste time doing fill in the blank. I don't know.
Kelly:Yeah, it's really hard because I feel like the things that I've woven into my health, like rhythms would be really helpful to continue. At that age and beyond, right? So I'm like, no, that actually would be a great, like, that would be a really helpful thing for an older person to continue doing. But what I have noticed is even in my own, I'm not elderly by any means, but even as I've gotten older, my, like, my care for certain things decreases, right? Where I'm like, okay, so right now it's like other people's opinions. I'm like, okay. That is not as important to me as it was when I was in my twenties. Right. Like, or I don't, I don't struggle with that the way I did when I was younger. And so then I'm like, okay, so what might fall off my plate that I'm like, nah, that's just like too hard. I don't really care anymore. And it's really hard for me to like grasp something. But what I could potentially wrap my mind around, even though I will say I do think it would be a healthy thing to continue till the day that I died would probably be like seeking out. Heat and cold for like, you know, detox purposes. I could see being like, I don't wanna get in the sauna. I'm already dealing with my own hot flashes. Or like, or I just, that just like is too much work. I could for sure see the cold plunge piece be like, heck no, my. My, I don't wanna, I don't wanna put myself through that kind of discomfort and I've earned the right to not do that anymore. So I have a feeling it's probably gonna be one of those, although I cannot imagine or wrap my brain around a day when I don't want it. again, this one's like really hard for me. The other thing that I'm kind of piecing together too, is obviously I'm not gonna have a period at that point. So I'm trying to think of things around my period that I'm like, oh, that's a rhythm that is important to me because of my own body's rhythm, and that's gonna look really different. But even then I'm like, well, all the things that I do for that, I'm just gentle and supportive of health in general. So. I wish I had like a better answer for this one, but that is like where sort of I'm, I'm at, because I think the things that I have in my rhythm now would be really helpful 10, 20, 30 years from now, and I just can't imagine letting it go. But again, I think that like heat cold peace, I could envision being like, gosh, that's so extreme, and I don't wanna do that anymore. I don't wanna do the extreme stuff. I just wanna do the gentle stuff. So I, I could see that being my like vision.
Tiffany:Yeah, I'm thinking like as we get older, we're kind of like, we're letting go. We're slowing down, we're softening in lots of areas we're. We're probably a lot more chill and calm about everything, so maybe it won't feel so urgent to be working on these things that we do now. And then, like you said, we won't have, we won't have cycles anymore and so that, or we won't have those types of monthly cycles. We'll still have life cycles and rhythms and stuff. But what an interesting. Concept, you know, and the, and then it informs us too, because I mean, I am living for that. I'm living for Grandma Tiffany. Like even as we consider our own kids, like getting older and moving outta the house in the next few years, I'm like, I've shifted my focus to Mommy Tiff, which of course I'm still, I'm always gonna be a mom, but I'm starting to think like, oh my gosh, I might have grandchildren in the next 10 years. What kind of grandparent do I wanna be? And. My 15-year-old was like, you're not gonna be a very good grandma'cause you don't play with the little kids that are around us. And I'm like, you know what? I have other, I have other skills and things to develop here and my and my grandma rhythms. But what I, my mom sent me this article about how HPV is on the rise in the elderly population and our screening protocols currently reflect,
Kelly:we
Tiffany:That we don't do any screening for low risk women after the age of 65 because the types of HPV that cause cervical cancer and then how long it takes cervical cancer to develop, you know, over 15 or 20 years sometimes that by the time you would catch it after 65. I don't know if this is the rationale, but I'm pretty sure it is, that you're just going to, it's, it's unlikely that you're gonna get it, but then if you do. Is it worth, worth catching? I dunno. It's so crazy. But the reason that h HPV is on the rise is and, and other venereal diseases in the elderly is the, the sexual relations that are happening inside of these, retirement homes and how like that is much more prevalent than it ever was. Or maybe there's just so many baby boomers coming into this season of life or something. Anyway, so I ended up in this conversation with my mom about like, you know. How, how long do you screen? How is this gonna change and are we going to need to be like, trying to do how just, you know, it blew my mind. But then I started thinking about other things of, you know, as you get older and so is that a part of it? Is that where the promiscuity comes in? The elderly population because they're like, forget it. What am I, I'm willing to do more riskier things because.
Kelly:yeah, like,
Tiffany:I spent my whole life tr trying to be good. I dunno.
Kelly:Yeah. That is a fascinating one to wrap your mind around. I watched this show about this it's a Ted Danson show of like, he goes undercover as like a private investigator. In a, like an nursing home And I don't think I even watched the whole thing, but I was cracking up by all of these like relationships that were happening and the women who were just like throwing themselves at him. I saw an interview with him and he was talking about like, no, we like did a lot of research and this is like a thing and. I think there's this is sidetracking, but it's so interesting because I think we assume as women, we lose a lot of that as we get older. Like we, oh, like we're in our prime right now. Right? And so then we look ahead and we're like, I don't wanna think ahead to that. And not saying that this, these behaviors are a correct or whatever, but the fact that women as they are aging. Are able to have such a vibrant sex life if they, you know, so choose. That's like kind of encouraging to me in my own marriage to be like, oh, potentially there's some great things awaiting that I can be excited about. You know, with just a different level of, or lack of responsibility at home, kids outta the house and things like that. Like maybe just things look really different. So, don't know. It's fascinating.
Tiffany:It is, it's got me. I have more thoughts about this and we just do not have time this morning, but maybe we'll do a whole, a whole episode of Grandma Tiffany and Grandma Kelly, and we'll just talk about our future
Kelly:I like
Tiffany:elderly raunchy selves.
Kelly:I like it. I'm here
Tiffany:Hmm. Okay, so let's, let's jump into detox. I wanna give an overview of. What actually is happening in your body when you're detoxing? And you mentioned Kelly, that these are some foundational pieces. We have created so much content around the concept of detox, especially detox for hormonal issues and hormonal imbalances. Even just as I was writing out this episode, I thought of at least half a dozen other. Episodes and resources for women to check out. So I wanna, I wanna provide an overview for the context of this episode, but we are not gonna go into detail on all of these things because there's are, there's so much and there's, there's other places for you ladies to get that information. So. Just saying that as a disclaimer. As we jump in, I'll share phases of detox and then Kelly, why don't you go into after that, like the safety of these different phases and what women should be thinking about in these different phases of womanhood. Womanhood and motherhood and how to go about safe detox.
Kelly:Perfect.
Tiffany:So detox typically occurs in three main phases, and they primarily involve the liver. So a lot of times when we're talking about detox support, we're also talking about liver support, liver nourishment but it is supported by other organs. Your body is just a detox machine, and I cannot emphasize that enough to those of you who are listening. Your body is just. Constantly metabolizing and trying to get rid of toxins that are in your body. There's other organs that are involved in this, like the gut, the kidneys your skin, your lymphatic system. And it starts with phase one. There's three phases. Phase one is activation and that is when your body converts toxins, no matter where they have come from, right? Like your environment, your food,
Kelly:and
Tiffany:And it uses liver enzymes to convert these toxins and then gets them prepared for phase two. And so it's really important that you have a nourished liver that can produce these enzymes well. And that you can reduce your toxic burden overall so that there's less to detox. I think that that is a detox hack that we often skip right over because we go straight to. Herbs and supplements and, sweating and all of those detox pathways, that's important and that is absolutely vital and essential. But this very first phase of activation, your body, being able to transform the toxins in your body to something that can actually be removed. We need to nourish the liver. We need to reduce toxic burden, and we do that by eating lots of protein. Every single day, a hundred grams is our target. Or more lots of animal products because pastured raw, grass fed organic animal products that we eat are really, have, have tons of nutrients that nourish deliver. And then
Kelly:then.
Tiffany:Cru. Vegetables like broccoli and kale and bok choy and cauliflower and all that. Getting those into your diet regularly are super important. So this is the foundational piece. This is how your body first starts to process toxins, and then phase two is called conjugation, and that is your body neutralizing those toxins for elimination. So. The liver adds molecules like glutathione. We're getting more familiar with that term in that process as we're supporting that sulfur amino acids. And that's how your body actually is able to convert for elimination. So that's another big task of your liver. And we need nutrients like vitamin B, magnesium, amino acids, antioxidants. Those are things we can get from. Our food. Those are things that we can get from supplements, and we're gonna go into our whole entire supplement protocol for you ladies towards the end of this episode too, because even though it's a whole lifestyle of detox, there really are really specific ways that you can support your body in doing that. And then phase three is elimination. So. We have these toxins mobilized. We have these toxins converted. We have them neutralized so that their, your body is able to actually process them. And then this is where we get into those detox pathways. Being able to remove the elimination of those toxins through those pathways of drainage like bile that secretes into your digestive system that helps you poop out toxins. That's your.
Kelly:your
Tiffany:Biggest detox organ urine your kidneys, help you expel toxins when you pee every time, sweat lymphatic drainage. All of these systems are an important part of being able to actually move those toxins out. So.
Kelly:out so
Tiffany:People who get sick during a detox process do not have enough of these drainage pathways open. So if you've ever done an extreme diet, extreme shift, extreme cleanse, anything like that, and you have gotten sick, it is the wrong way to approach it. You need to have these detox pathways open and you need to be, working on keeping them open when you are specifically detoxing things. So that's really important. In order to support this elimination, we need to be hydrated. We need good fiber in our diet. We need to be sweating regularly. We need bowel movements every single day. And so the, these are the layers of how to support these specific places in these three phases of detox.
Kelly:Yeah, and I, I think it's so helpful to remember,'cause when we talk about detox, when I first learned about detox like many years ago, it was in the context of like big detox, like juice cleanses or you know, whatever. But this is something that your body, like you were mentioning already does. It is a good, it is a good design to help get us like clear cleared out of some of these toxins. I mean, even hormones in overload can be a toxin in our body, right? And so this is good to work it through. And what we are trying to do here is help our bodies do what it was designed to do. Right. And sometimes it just needs a little bit more help. Sometimes it feels good to give it a little bit more help. Sometimes you have signs that your body is saying, Hey, I need a little bit more help. And so it's, it's a helpful thing just to kind of consider. It from that lens of like, how can we support our bodies, right? In doing what it's designed to do? And as we go into these seasons that we're talking about, particularly preconception, pregnancy, postpartum, there are specific considerations, right? About, okay, how much is too much? What is safe, what is not safe? So I'll touch on some of these things and then again, in our show notes. And at the end of the episode, I'm sure we'll share about some of the places that you can find a bit more pointed information too. But if you were in the stage where you're like, okay, I want to get pregnant, great. This is a wonderful time to help support your detox system, support your liver in particular. You have a great opportunity to be working on those things and really all is kind of free game at this point while you are working on it. If there was one thing that I would recommend to women in that preconception time, it is to work on your liver health because of the massive impact that it can have. On the health of your pregnancy, on the out, some of the outcomes that can be related to that as well as into postpartum. So absolutely it is free game. If you are actively trying to conceive or say you're like, Ooh, this is the month hopefully, and I ovulate a few days ago. I wonder if I'm pregnant. We will need to kind of. Consider at that point what you know, what exactly you are engaging in. And we'll talk about pregnancy in particular, about things that are helpful and not helpful. But ideally, if you are thinking, I wanna get pregnant in the next year, absolutely. Enjoy all of the things for now. Especially if you're about three months. About to, you know, try to conceive. It's a great time if you are just considering all of the things that you can be doing to really focus on some of these detox pathways for your body that we'll talk about. And then in pregnancy in particular. The safest things that we recommend, you are not going to be like, oh wow, that's so you know out of this world or revolutionary or whatever. It's because it's simple and supportive because again, your body is doing good work already as a detox machine. But now we're adding a baby on top of that, right? And so we don't wanna overload it. We also don't wanna make these toxins potentially get stuck anywhere in your body as well as we are trying to draw them out and move them out. So things like pooping, right? We are, I mean, one just for your comfort and all of that, but we are so big on pooping every day, whether you're pregnant or not. But it's a huge way, like you mentioned Tiff, to get some of these things. Out of your body. The easiest, the quickest, the biggest way that we can do that is to have regular bowel movement. So if you're not having that great thing to start focusing on, right? You absolutely can be sweating in pregnancy. It is not harmful to, you know, you or your baby to get a sweat on. Now, if you're going into. Something like a sauna or a steam room that's on the no list. Generally speaking, although I was reading this really fascinating article from one of like the Nordic countries of course,'cause they're like so into sauna about women doing, you know, sauna stuff over there. they kept saying like how great it was and all these like, wonderful outcomes, whatever, lo and behold the temperature was set at, you know, like 98 or something, right? So much, much lower than it normally would be. So if that is something that you're like, oh, I really want that. You know, dial it, dial it way down and enjoy that. But sweat is a great way to get some of these toxins out of our bodies. Drinking electrolytes and putting lemon in your water, lemon in your water, especially first thing in the morning on an empty stomach. Great way to kind of activate the liver, activate those enzymes to say like, okay, wake up. You have a job to do today. I am helping you out with that. So it's a great, easy way to help support your liver during pregnancy. Dry brushing is another one. So I only began dry brushing, like, I don't know, a couple years ago and it was, it felt oh, I don't know if it was like intimidating or something before doing it.'cause I'm like, Ooh, that sounds so like. Other, like, I've never done that before. I don't really know exactly what to do. And then once you learn, which we will talk about in a little bit you're like, oh yeah, no, that's very straightforward. It's a great way to activate your lymph system and move some of these things around. Same thing with lymphatic massage. We'll put some supportive pieces in there for you on how to do these things. But this is a great way, again, your lymphatic system controls so much. So being able to wake it up, move it around. And help, you know get that movement out of that stagnant kind of space that it can sometimes be in, which then leads to feelings of discomfort and headaches and all kinds of stuff. It can be really, really helpful. That is absolutely safe to either continue to do or to start to do in pregnancy as well. and then obviously the focus on liver healthy detox, healthy nutrition. There are herbs that can be supportive. Dandelion in particular is a wonderful one to help support your liver and supplements as well. Right. So focusing on some of those pieces, and again, we'll, we'll talk a little bit more detail on some of them will be incredibly helpful. You do not want to overlook how important sleep is though to this entire process, and especially during pregnancy when sometimes sleep can feel a little hard to come by or just a little different, I suppose. Focusing on a really good sleep hygiene, really good sleep rhythms to help your body calm, reset, and do the work that it needs to do while you are sleeping. There's so much good stuff that it does while you are sleeping that you need to be sleeping for it to be doing right, doing well, and so do not, don't sleep on that. I mentioned not getting into the sauna, the steam room kind of thing. We you know, in different seasons of life, you may hear about like castor oil packs. We do not recommend those in pregnancy. We do not recommend you know, detoxes that are specific to like fasting or juice cleanses during pregnancy. You probably would assume those things, but we also do get a lot of questions about like, Hey, I heard about this. Can I try this? And I'm like, I'm not gonna tell you what to do, but this is our like, clinical recommendation in terms of like a healthy pregnancy, taking care of yourself and then postpartum, you know, a lot of people are wondering, and it's mostly around breast milk, which we will talk about in a sec. But you can absolutely continue and you probably will feel really good to move some of these things around in your body postpartum. Because it is a bit more sedentary time, right? And it might just feel really good to start in you know, utilizing some of these pieces. You can do all of that gentle things that are above right, like the lemon in your water and dry brushing and you know, making sure you're pooping every day, all of that good stuff to help your liver. But then you can start being like, Ooh, you know, it sounds kind of nice, Asana. I'm just gonna try it. I'm gonna slowly go in, you know, like make my my little baby steps towards that, right? You can start trying castor oil packs to, you know, start moving some of those things around. So it's a time where. You absolutely can do, continue all the same gentle things and then you can start saying, Ooh, I can uplevel just a little bit. And then continue to kind of take baby steps forward in those things. We still do not recommend fasting. We still do not recommend juice cleanses. In this season, if you start, say you're like, Ooh, now I'm gonna start doing asana and a castor oil pack and like lymphatic massage and dry brushing, and you're like, okay, these are all supposed to be really good things, right? Wonderful. But then you may on this like kind of flip side, start feeling some symptoms, which would be a really good trigger for you to remember like, Hey, I might be overdoing it right now. It might not be the season to do all five of these things. Let me like maybe take one off my plate and see how I feel after this. But things like fatigue and not just like, oh, I'm tired'cause my baby woke up, or, you know, but just like that bone, you know, bone tired kind of feeling, headaches, irritability, where you just feel. Agitated and kind of like your nervous system is, you know all up in arms skin breakouts, rashes, constipation, or on the other side, like very loose stools, brain fog, anxiety, nausea, like if any of those are showing up for you, I would put a pause. On all of this extra stuff and just pare it down to very simple. Focus on nourishment, focus on supplementation, and see how you're feeling after that because. It's already, it's a depleting time, right? It just naturally is. And sometimes in our excitement to like move forward with something new, we can overdo it and potentially, you know, bring ourselves to a place where we're like, oh man. Yep. I feel like I've lost all of my minerals through sweating and pooping and, you know, doing all of these things. And so just an encouragement and a reminder that like, this is the time if you want to. So into this idea to take some baby steps and really be comfortable listening to your body.
Tiffany:And we were talking about this recently on Instagram. If you guys have an Instagram account, go follow us there because we do so much in between episode information there and it's just a chance for us to kind of like interact a little bit more with our audience, but. We were sharing a little bit on this, and because there's so much confusion about it, especially like for postpartum time, I think women are like, I think they feel clear about being really cautious and careful in pregnancy, but then postpartum comes around and they're like, well, wait a minute. What can I do? What am I allowed to do? What's safe to do? So we asked women to. Submit their questions, things that they were curious about, and we compiled a couple of them here just to give like the most common questions that we got, we can do some answering of on this episode to just provide context and information.'cause it's one thing for us to get on here and be like. This is how you od talks, here's how to do it safely. But then people are like, that's really interesting. Here's my real life. I wanna, how does this actually work in real life? Which in this question segment we, I, I was talking about sleep and how important that is. And one, one person was like, I seriously do not understand. Why people feel like they need to remind us to sleep postpartum. Like that is the craziest recommendation. And I was like, lady, please calm down because it is so important. It's so important. That's why we keep talking about it. And I know that there's like. There's a mixed response to sleep when the baby sleeps. There's a mix, you know, but the, the overarching concept for that, I'm gonna do a whole episode about this, actually. I'm gonna pause what I'm saying right now. I'm gonna do a whole episode about sleeping postpartum and, and how to take that information with a grain of salt and enjoy somebody reminding you that it's really important to sleep instead of. Taking it as a direct assault on your soul. Okay, Kelly, so I'm gonna ask, I'm gonna ask the question and you're gonna give the answer. Are you prepared for that midwife, Kelly?
Kelly:I am. I was born prepared.
Tiffany:Okay, we'll try to go get through this quickly so we still have time to talk about our supplement protocol, which is the basis of this episode. We'll cover it in the last three minutes or so. Okay. Question number one. This came up the most often about safety with breastfeeding. Do toxins come out in breast milk? How aware of that, how careful of that do we need to be when we're detoxing in pregnancy?
Kelly:Yeah,
Tiffany:I mean, sorry, postpartum.
Kelly:Yes.
Tiffany:Yeah.
Kelly:yes. The answer is yes, it can. Right? Some toxins can pass into breast milk. It's been shown some heavy metals, some pesticides, some medications can pass into breast milk, but the benefits of breastfeeding almost always outweigh those risks and the amounts that it is coming out in. But if we are, especially in this season, if you're really focusing on minimizing your exposure too. Heavy metals to pesticides, to certain medications, right? Rather than like an extreme detox because of that that's, that's the general idea in this, especially the earlier parts of postpartum where your baby is only drinking your milk, postpartum can be a very wide, amount of time. But the idea is, again, if you're able to focus a lot more on minimizing your exposure, then being like, I'm gonna go hard at all of the detox things now you're probably gonna be in a better, more comfortable state for yourself if you're desiring to add some of those things. And like I mentioned, starting slow,? Starting your sauna, starting some herbs, starting binders. Just do so gradually and then avoid at this point. Doing right. 10 of them every day, or like stacking too many of them. I love in my own life, the non breastfeeding, not having babies anymore life where I can be like, I can stack 10 of these and really, you know, like, get the bang for my buck during this time. That's not, it's just not the season. And that is okay in that postpartum, breastfeeding, you know, season. And then if you are going to consider something to start in postpartum. Prioritizing the drainage of some of this is going to be really important. So supporting your liver, supporting your kidneys, your bowels, your lymphatic system before mobilizing some of those toxins will be really helpful. So being able to say, am I pooping every day? Am I gently supporting my liver? What does my lymphatic movement look like? Can I move some of that around? How is, you know, all of those things, questioning to be able to say, okay, I've mobilized them, or I've, I've supported this system before. Mobilizing some of those toxins. I think you're gonna be in a much better state. And again, not as like concerned or questioning some of those things. We mentioned pooping. Also, if you're not pooping one to ti one to two-ish times a day as a postpartum woman that is what I would, recommend diving hard in before you're like, oh, and now I wanna try sauna and I wanna try all these things. Not that those things are bad, but sometimes we jump up 10 levels before we get some of those foundational pieces going. So, that would be my answer, although I went kind of tangentially off of your question, but there you go.
Tiffany:It was extra information. And no one listening is gonna be complaining about extra information, I'm sure.
Kelly:great.
Tiffany:I think like the perspective here is that our bodies are already detoxing all the time. Maybe not detoxing efficiently, maybe they're doing it kind of poorly. Maybe there's a lot of congestion there that they need that it needs lots of support. But your breast milk is made out of what is circulating in your blood. So the more, the faster that you can support your body in pulling those toxins out of your bloodstream the better and ha and being and having some of these important rhythms for, for getting that elimination process going is gonna protect your breast milk. And so. I think, I think women need to keep that in mind. Just because you start to support detox doesn't mean necessarily that you're, that you're pulling toxins out of your, out of your storage and tissues. That would be like a whole different protocol and a a little bit more on the extreme side of detox. So just supporting what your body is already doing is only going to be a benefit to your. Body and your breast milk. The next really common question that we got, which kind of wa was actually really surprising to me because in my mind this is like. Common knowledge. And here's the, here's the funny thing about my perspective and the place where I'm at and the, the 60,000 people who follow us on Instagram. People do not know how to dry brush. They don't know where to learn, how to dry brush. They don't know where to get a dry brush. And so, Kelly, can you give like a very quick overview?
Kelly:Yeah, and I, I even mentioned like, it sounded kind somewhat intimidating to me because I remember Gwyneth Paltrow talking about it years ago, and I was like, well, that's something that like fancy rich people do, right? It could not be further from the truth because it's cheap, it's easy, it's quick, it's so simple. But sometimes it is, it's similar to like starting herbal infusions for me, where I was like, Ooh, gosh, herbs, that sounds so intimidating, but really I'm like, oh, I just put some hot water on these. Great, sign me up. But it is really simple. You're gonna use a natural bristle brush. A lot of them come from like pig, apparently, like bore skin,. And then you're, you take one of those natural bristle brushes, you can literally look on Amazon. There's lots of different options out there. And you're gonna move in strokes towards your heart. There's different people who say, starting in different places, right? Most people will recommend starting in your hands and your feet and you're basically just working your way around your body with strokes towards your heart, You can mix this in with lymphatic massage as well to continue to move things around, but that is part of kinda what it is intended to stimulate. You can do it on your dry skin. I do mine before showering. That's like the easiest., Stacking thing in my head a couple times a week, two or three times a week, and so I'll keep this short. We will have resources in the show notes for you if you're like, Ooh, I like this simplicity. I like something that's going to be impactful and feel good and have, you know, good outcomes for me. That is cheap and easy. Show notes is where you will find that.
Tiffany:Yo and my, I've had the same dry brush forever. I bought it for like 4 95 on Amazon and it doesn't have the handle on it anymore. Some of the bristles are bent. I just used the other side of it. My dog chewed on part of it'cause it's wood and I left it on the floor once and it's just going strong. It doesn't have to be cute or pretty. It just needs to provide a light touch movement to get some of that fluid. Moving and mobilized throughout your lymph system, and it's one of the easiest ways to do that. When I broke my foot again earlier, or I guess it's, I guess it was late last year, my other foot, when I broke my other foot we were on, we were, it was the day before we left for vacation, so Wonderful. So I was spending a lot of time on vacation with my foot elevated and my sweet mom would come and do really light touch massage on it, and it would instantly improve the swelling and. It was amazing to see how quickly the fluid could move, you know, through your body with the very light touch. So that's kind of what the, that's kind of what the dry brush does is we're not dragging it on our skin. It's not to exfoliate our skin. It's just to kind of like scratch or tickle. Okay. Next question, and we touched on this a little bit, but this was asked a lot. Can you overdo detox.
Kelly:Yes, you absolutely can. So too much detox is gonna release more toxins than your body can actually eliminate, right? So it's gonna create all of this. But then that next step of getting it out is that part can become a bit more stagnant. So that can lead to, like I mentioned, some of those symptoms, fatigue, headaches. Skin,, flareups with rashes and things like that. So if you are starting to do some of those things, always supporting your hydration, your mineral intake, your rest, your bowel regularity alongside of those will be probably the most important thing that you can do. Especially if this is a concern or something that you have potentially experienced before trying other detox things and you realize, Ooh, I don't feel good when I do that. Well, let's. about a step back and consider why that might be.
Tiffany:Yeah, absolutely. Okay. And then somebody asked us to prioritize the. Three most important things, and I appreciate when women ask this, and we kind of like followed along that a couple episodes ago when we were saying like, the three most important things to prioritize in pregnancy because we have this tendency in the holistic world to like throw all these things out. Oh look, here's the 742 things you can do for detox. And so I, I really appreciate, oh, someone saying. Okay, but I can't do that many. Give me, give me the three to focus on three is a really reasonable number. So what would you say those are, Kelly? If women are gonna prioritize three things to support detox, where would they start?
Kelly:Yeah, it's funny'cause it's not anything that you need to buy specifically or to eat, right? It's like we always come back to some of these foundations, right? So hydration, drinking your water, that's gonna flush waste, that's gonna support your kidneys, it's gonna support your lymphatic system. Focusing on really quality water, hydration, you can even put minerals in that and all of that good stuff. But getting enough fluid throughout your day. N number one, to help support with this in particular, but also just in general too. And then we've mentioned it multiple times, getting fiber in your, diet because of how important bowel movements are. So fiber also working in magnesium, things like that that can help espec, I mean, especially certainly in pregnancy, when things sometimes can feel a little more backed up but will absolutely help clear the toxins from your gut. So focusing on hydration, which then also, right, like helps support bowel movements as well. So those would be the first two. And then the third kind of goes along with that if we're talking about fiber, but just really good nutrient dense food. Considering what you are eating, fueling your liver pathways through the foods that you are eating, lots of good protein, greens in your diet, sulfur rich veggies, things like that. If you prioritize those three things, you would be supporting your liver, supporting your detox pathways, creating a much healthier kind of foundation and soil within your body that then if you wanna start adding other things in your body will be like, oh yeah, yeah, we're already starting to do this really well. We absolutely can kind of take on the next level of things that you're wanting to do. And I think. we sometimes create more of con more confusion over how to support our bodies. And we forget about, do you need to cast our oil pack and sauna and dry brush and all the things if like, you're not drinking enough water or pooping at. We write all of those things. We gotta start, we gotta start at the beginning. Those would be like the three things that I would say are like good beginning, places to like sew into for now.
Tiffany:Yes, and I think that's, I want women to really hear that it's not an intense protocol. It's not buying an expensive red light. It's not making your husband build that really cute sauna on your back porch. Of course, maybe he should, I don't know. It's not.
Kelly:that's
Tiffany:not mastering coffee enemas it, right? Like those are layers that come after we support what your body is already doing really well. Let's just see what happens with that. Let's, let's see how we support your body as a detox machine. Okay? And then this one is slight, this won't seem related to some women. But this question came in because we're often. Recommending detox baths number one is a really, really good way and super cheap and accessible way to support your body. And we'll, and we'll give resources for that too, but also magnesium. We're talking about magnesium constantly. Magnesium is a really important mineral that we need in order for our bodies to detox. Well, so this question is what is the difference between EPS and salt? Or magnesium flakes for the bath because we sometimes we use them interchangeably, but they do have kind of pros and cons to each one.
Kelly:yeah, So, Epsom salts that is magnesium, also. Magnesium sulfate. That's really, really good for muscle relaxation. Good morning. So after I have a hard workout or have been at a birth for a long, you know, all those kinds of things, I'm like, okay, what do I actually need? My, my body really needs to kind of relax and I'll go towards the Epsom salts, magnesium flakes again, also magnesium, magnesium chloride. And so that is really easily absorbed and it's a great one just to kind of throw in. Even if you want muscle relaxation, it can be helpful too, but it's really gentle and sensitive on your skin. Some women are will be like, I took an Epsom salt bath and I hated it. Right? It made me uncomfortable, it made my skin itch. Those kinds of things. And so magnesium flakes are a great one to. in if you have more sensitive skin or you really, maybe you don't have as long in the bath or something, it's a really great absorption rate. So you can kind of choose based on your needs. I mean, I still use both and not in any way saying anything negative necessarily about the Epsom salts, but, generally speaking, you're gonna get your magnesium both ways. But that absorption rate for Magnesium flakes kind of tips it me personally.
Tiffany:Yeah, and I will say like Magni Epsom salt is cheaper, so if you gotta do something, it's Epsom salt's really cheap to have it on hand. If you're feeling a little extra and you wanna like supercharge. That ritual of throwing something in your bath, magnesium flakes is like next level. Okay? Now ladies, those of you who have these foundations in place, you're, you're going to be looking for next steps in order to support your body. Yes, it is ideal to get your nutrition through Whole Foods. Yes, it is ideal for all of those to be mine, mineral rich. But we live in a society and we live in a world where it's really probably not possible for most of us. And so supplementation is going to be a part of most of our lives. Most of us need a little bit of that extra support. And if you're dealing with something specific that you need extra liver support or you need extra detox support like it's a part of something that you're working on right now, then it's gonna be almost necessary and mandatory to have some of these supplements on board. We've created a list in our full script that has our, our full protocol for how we treat our own clients. And yes, all of these are safe for pregnancy and breastfeeding. It was the whole point of putting this list together, which means it's safe for those of you who are not pregnant and breastfeeding too. These are all really supportive things. This is not about pulling. Deep stores of toxins out of your body. This is about supporting liver health and liver metabolism and what your body is already doing detox wise. We'll find that link in our show notes for that full script protocol. It is our. Professional dispensary. It is where you can get the absolute best quality supplements through our link. You can also get'em 25% off of MSRP. So not only are they cheaper than where you can buy them in brick and mortar or on Amazon they're higher quality and they're guaranteed quality, and they're all third party tests. Did, and we usually pick the cleanest, most organic no fillers, no extra additives, et cetera. So we've curated this list in order to kind of take that mental load off of your mind. It's worth checking out so you can find that link. But let's go through these, let's go through these supplements real quick because you don't have to go to our link in order to understand what they do, and we can provide some context for how these supplements can support your body. And we will share that right now. I will start with calcium and magnesium.'cause that's the first thing in that protocol. Magnesium supports that liver enzyme that we talked about in phase one and phase two of the detox phases. It supports regular bowel movement and calcium actually helps with pH balance in your body too. And those two minerals work really well together. They let. Calcium and magnesium like to be together. They're co-factors. They use each other's bioavailability in order to be absorbed and utilized in the body.
Kelly:The next one are trace minerals, and we're just really heavy on the mineral aspect, right? Because a lot of us are very we're just lacking that our food is lacking, that our lifestyles are lacking that. So trace minerals are really wonderful and they are really needed. To detox some of those enzymes we have. And so it'll really support glutathione, really support your liver pathways, easy to add into your water or drink, you know, herbal infusions, things like that. Great little addition there.
Tiffany:Yep. And then next we have B complex. B complex is probably on every single list that we have for women's health. It's just a really important thing to have on board. A lot of us are deficient. There's a lot of crazy. Signs of deficiency. So that's important to know, but this supports methylation and it supports specifically the liver phase two of the detox process. And so while there's many other benefits of be complex for liver support specifically, we wanna make sure that that's on board before we even start with an elimination process.
Kelly:Yeah, and I guess on that note, a lot of these things you may already be taking or you're like, oh, I only have to add in a couple extra things, right? Because you're already on kind of a supplement rotation which is kind of nice. So the next one is beef liver, grass fed beef, liver. So nutrient dense in pill form, right? It's a very quick, easy way to get some of that really nutrient dense goodness. It's gonna support your liver. With some of that B12 vitamin A choline iron, it is really robust. And so it's a great one to have on board in some of those foundational pieces.
Tiffany:Yep. And then next we have three herbs that can be really helpful in liver supporting. We have milk thistle, dandelion nettle. You guys know that nettle is a major component in our pregnancy tea that's not just for pregnancy, it's for postpartum two, and we have a lot of. Customers who are taking it for preconception also milk thistle protects and regenerates liver cells. That's why you, it's always like you hear milk, milk thistle and you just automatically think liver support. Right? But it also helps to boost B flow and that that bile flow is what is able to actually carry toxins out. Of your liver, which is filtering it into your digestive system so that you can poop it out. It's a really cool mechanism that your body is already trying to do for you. Dandelion helps also with this bile and kidney detox, and it's also a gentle diuretic, so it's moving things out of your body, helping to create that flow. Nettle is anti-inflammatory. It supports lymphatic and kidney function. It does 75 other wonderful things. If there was one herb that I would say everyone should take every single day, it would be nettle, and it's just my personal favorite.
Kelly:Yeah, that's'cause it's such like a heavy hitter, very simple and like can do so much for us. The next one up is choline. You may have heard a lot about choline. It is a great aspect for bile production in general and then fat metabolism as well in the liver. So this is a great one to have on board through food. But definitely it just is quite easy to take through a supplement to kind of help some of those foundational pieces of what the liver's actually. Trying to do right.
Tiffany:Yep. And then vitamin D three with K two, we specify that because the form of vitamin D three is an important part of what your body can actually utilize. And K two again is another. Another bioavailability helper. It help D three to be. Fully absorbed and utilized in the body, but having adequate levels of vitamin D just in general supports detox related immunity. We love to like zero in on these one systems and be like, here's what the liver's doing, let's support that. But really, like it's a holistic experience. There's no vacuum process happening in our body. We wanna make sure that we are just overall well-rounded and healthy. So that's a part of it, but it also helps to regulate inflammation in your body too, which helps your body to be an efficient detoxer as well.
Kelly:Yeah, I love how most of these, like you could take them for other things also, or again, like be already using them in different ways and be like, oh, actually now I have a little bit more
Tiffany:I.
Kelly:of why it's useful, what I'm taking. A lot of women don't really understand why they're taking what they're taking completely. So this is a helpful reminder that we can like step back and see the purpose of some of these things. Collagen is the next one. So we love collagen for many, many different reasons. Great for, you know, protein, all that good stuff. But it's really helpful to support glutathione in your body, which we've spoken about being a really helpful aspect of what's going on in your liver. And it is really wonderful for your gut lining as well, and which, you know, so much is happening in the gut from the gut. Stemming from that, again, not a vacuum, everything's kind of like interrelated. And so this is a very easy pointed way to help kind of support the liver through the supporting partners that it has.
Tiffany:Yep. And then very last is a homeopathic called sulfur. And this gently stimulates the liver. It helps to gently stimulate the skin detox pathways like lymph and sweating mechanisms. And so we've, we throw that in there so that you have this willy well-rounded approach. We have mineral profiles, we have amino acid profiles. We have, like real food supplements like beef, liver and collagen. We have vitamin supplements and we're able to support the system with all of these. General and varying pieces. So you guys can find this protocol again in our show notes or if you're already connected on full script, you just look into our community plans there and search for detox. That will come right up for you. And here's the lineup of what else we have in the show notes for you. I know a lot of you are not looking at the show notes while you're listening to this, so if you want to get more information on the drainage pathways, how to open those up, we have tons of information on that. Detox baths. Detox for hormone imbalance, specifically detox for estrogen imbalance, specifically detox with lymphatic drainage and dry brushing. We did a whole or audio tutorial. It's gonna say oral tutorial. We were oral. You will be editorializing that protocol so you can actually dry brush while Kelly walks you through those steps, which is just like a lullaby for your dry brush routine, right? Then sauna. We talk about sauna in an episode two, so you guys can go grab all of those resources to enjoy the full scope of what there is to learn and just be like layering in that information. There's a lot to learn. As you start to feel like more curious about it, you absolutely can go try to nuance your your health a little bit. And if you want more support, more handholding, more community, more specifics, access to Kelly and I asking questions directly to us getting feedback on individual things that are happening inside your body. As you pursue some of these pieces for your health, our membership is the place to be. You can grab that link in the show notes too.
Kelly:We are so looking forward to having more conversation about this'cause I think this is one of the things that's starting to get a lot more. Awareness around the importance of, especially as it relates to, or at least we are talking more and more about it because we believe in it so much, how it relates to what happens and, you know the health of your pregnancy, some of the complications that can happen as well as into postpartum. So it is absolutely worthy of kind of digging into. And hopefully this is a great place for you ladies to start and we will catch you next week.
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