Peach Podcast
Two guys and an occasional guest breaking open topics on: Purpose, Energy, Attitude, Commitment and Health through shared experiences.
Peach Podcast
EP026: You Against You! No Comparison Shopping!
Is comparison the thief of joy, or can it be a catalyst for self-improvement? We tackle the prevalent societal obsession with comparing ourselves to others, urging a shift towards the "you against you" mindset. Through personal narratives, such as college transitions and solitary boxing sessions, we highlight the transformative power of self-focused growth. Youth swimming programs offer a poignant lesson—prioritizing personal improvement over external validation leads to genuine development, a theme that resonates through our discussions on navigating life's hurdles with grace and determination.
Join us as we push mental and physical boundaries with Misogi challenges—ever tried carrying an 80-pound boulder underwater for a 5K? These tales of grit, including the demanding Death Ride cycling event, underscore the four C's: commitment, courage, capability, and confidence. These extreme endeavors not only test our limits but cultivate a profound sense of self-discovery. We reflect on how shared experiences, like our creative bike ride conversations, have birthed ideas like our podcast "Fuck Happiness." And as Daryl plans his bold Maui adventure, conquering the world's longest paved climb, we are reminded of the enduring power of camaraderie in our pursuit of personal growth.
Hey, hey, hey. Welcome to the Peach Podcast. Just a couple of dudes and an occasional guest breaking open topics from everyday life on purpose, energy, attitude, commitment and health. So, if you're ready, listen in as we live, to learn from our losses, gain from our gratitude and laugh as we level up. Always remember, if you ever feel stuck, all you got to do is just start.
Speaker 2:Come on, let's go welcome back to peach podcast with doug and daryl. Man, we are moving, the year is coming to a close. We are in November, november, november, thanksgiving is next week, next week, but this weekend we have our gosh. It's been going on for 30, 40 years now where we meet every year at my dad's place up in the country a bunch of families and friends it's anywhere from 40 to 60 people you never know every single year. So it's going to be a fun time, a lot of connection, reconnection, and Daryl and I will be interviewing family and finding out what they're thankful for.
Speaker 2:So, before we get into our main topic this week, I just want to say thank you to those who are following us and those of you who haven't followed us, man, just hit the follow button. It doesn't cost you nothing, it doesn't do anything, it does notify you when a new episode pops. We try to pop a new episode out every week. So far when we made this commitment, we've hit it. So thank you again for following us. And, man, share an episode. If there's any episodes that kind of ring true to you and you want to share with somebody, please share an episode, share the vibe, share what we're trying to do. We're trying to create a movement of just purpose, energy, attitude, commitment and health, and please share on your social media feeds as well. Thank you, thank you, thank you. So, darrell, what?
Speaker 3:else is going on. Man, well, excited to see you this weekend. I know I got a lot of work up at your dad's house getting ready for it. Doug the lumberjack, doug the fixer up there. Doug mentioned that he's been getting a few more acorns than normal and he mentioned to me that could be a sign that we're having a pretty big winter. So we'll have to see. Doug could be the weatherman too pretty soon.
Speaker 2:Well, that was given to me by the propane guy. I said, man, have you noticed a lot of acorns from all the people? And he said oh, acorns, yeah, acorns. And he said, yeah, he goes. Actually that's a sign of a bad winter coming, because it gives more food to the animals. And I was like I never even thought about that. And it is starting. Winter is getting rolling, it's raining, there's snow up in the mountains.
Speaker 3:You know and we're heading into, of course, the Saturday before, but also Thanksgiving on the 28th. We've been doing this for about the last five years. There's several. There's events all over the US, these turkey trots basically, where people raise money for charity, for people, to support them from a food perspective for Thanksgiving. The Folsom one is we do is a turkey trot. There's a five and a 10K run walk. There's a huge one in Sacramento, I think that gets like 20,000 people. The one in Folsom has about 4,000 people start, get there about 8, 830. They do a staggered event. It's a great way to start the day.
Speaker 3:We've always done it as a family event. Some people running, some people walking. We've got over 20 people attending that are going to be running and walking and we're going to put the link in the podcast and on IG for Folsom Turkey Trot. Love to have you out there. Josephine's been crushing it. We'll definitely talk about that in a couple of weeks, but man, her training is on there. Josephine's been crushing it. We'll definitely talk about that in a couple of weeks, but man, her training is on point and she's also encouraged a lot of people and she's even got me out there running trying to keep up with her, so I'm really excited about it. So good, it's going to be a fun, fun couple of weeks here. Fun next eight to nine days.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know, daryl, I got to say man in the last few weeks we started. You know, some people know that Daryl and I are part of a men's book club book study group and this book we're going through man, it's just, it's epic dude. It's just bringing up some really cool topics. This one word that's coming to me, called misogi, it's a Japanese word that started from a tradition way back when, and I word that started from a tradition way back when and I'm terrible at facts and recalling that stuff, daryl, and I know you're really good at that. So break down what a misogi is, if you can, real quick.
Speaker 3:Yeah, a misogi is a Japanese tradition. It's actually back from the 8th century and it's a tradition of shunto, purification ritual that involves cleansing the body and mind with cold water. So their traditional practice is participants immerse themselves in cold water or stood under a waterfall. The ritual is often performed at a waterfall where participants wait patiently in the cold for their turn. So it's basically a cleansing activity and if you've seen anything on social media, it kind of gets into that same tradition of doing hard stuff.
Speaker 3:The modern practice has taken on a bit of a broader meaning. It's becoming a challenge to push yourself to the limits, confront fears, doubts, weaknesses. Some say it's about doing something difficult once a year that impacts the other 364 days, and some of the items there are. What are you mentally, spiritually, physically willing to put yourself through to be a better human? So, doug, I know we've been talking about it. You see examples of it, so let's talk about what we've heard about this Masogi. So first of all, doug, hey, what are a couple of the rules of the modern Masogi which are kind of interesting?
Speaker 2:Well, one of the first rule is it has to be it can't be something that you know you can finish and do and accomplish. There has to be a 50% chance at most that you'll actually complete the task that you set out to do or the goal you're setting out to do. So you sign up, you commit to this task or this goal and you don't know if you're going to finish, daryl. It's a 50-50 chance. So it's supposed to scare the hell out of you. It's supposed to challenge the hell out of you. You may finish.
Speaker 2:Some people who take these challenges and these commitments on, they do finish and they find another level and depth of grit inside themselves because they finished. And some people don't finish and they understand like, oh my gosh, I need to work on this. I didn't know I had this much doubt or this much fear. So it helps cleanse them and it helps bring things that they need to work on immediately up to the surface so they can start dealing with that and moving forward. But the second rule is my favorite rule, man. Do you know what that second rule is, daryl? Yeah, don't die. That's it. So some of these challenges could be pretty crazy, and so the second rule is definitely an important one Don't die. So make it hard, make it very difficult, make it very challenging. And rule number two don't die. I love that.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and so it's really an interesting thing. And as we started going through the book and talking about it, one of the things that kind of surprised us we were chatting around the way we do our book club is we read a couple of chapters and we talk about them. And we had somebody talk about the Musogi and this and they said something. I think it was Jonathan. He said, well, I probably couldn't do a Musogi that you know, something as hard as that Doug and Daryl could do. He just mentioned that. Yeah, yeah, the reality is one of the things in there. This is nothing against comparison.
Speaker 3:Yes, and the concept they said. That really got us thinking. Which is the big part of the topic is, they said, it's you against you. No comparison shopping. Don't advertise. No one is watching. This is about your own personal growth and that kind of like kind of woke us up because so much Doug. We're like, oh, this person did this, can I do it Right? We're always comparison. So, the whole always. So that really hit all of us, all five of us that were on. It's you against you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, you know, daryl, I can see why it's so hard, because I mean, just look, you turn on the TV and you see, you know beach bodies and rip dabs, and you know heroic people. You see people like the Rock, you know doing heroic stuff. And then you get on social media and you know, oh, so-and-so is on this cruise and so-and-so is in Hawaii and so-and-so is on a European trip. And you know, all of a sudden I think it's just a natural human instinct, like you know, how come I'm not doing those things? Why are they doing those things?
Speaker 2:And a lot of times people don't realize. You know, maybe the trip was gifted to someone else, or maybe these people are living way beyond their means and they're, you know, $50,000 in debt from going on a trip like this I mean. So you really don't know what's behind the curtain until you pull the curtain back and see what's going on. But I'll tell you, man, that's a hard lane to be in. Is you against you? It's so hard today because we do live in a society that is just built around comparative reality, man. It's just constantly in your face.
Speaker 3:It was interesting. I remember my first year in college, doug, and you go from an environment where you get your teachers and everybody caring about you and getting you through and graduating high school College. You don't have to go. Nobody's telling you you need to go to college. You show up there, you get your list of classes, you go there, you go to the first class and I remember going to the first class I think I had four or five and of the five classes one took attendance. They took it for the first two weeks, just to think. Probably I'm not quite sure why the others never did. And very early on you realized the professors don't care if you pass.
Speaker 3:I know that they're educators, they want you to succeed and everything else, but it is 100% on you, on you, and that was like a big wake-up call. You mean, I don't need to go to class, oh, I can just show up and take a test, I can do this. But that was a big wake-up call for me. I remember that and that was kind of the big wake-up call and it really helped me kind of get some discipline. The other thing when I think about you against you, I remember when I was boxing and I was, you know, starting off and I actually trained for my first fight. Training for a fight is pretty lonely. You work really hard.
Speaker 3:I remember I hated shadow boxing to start. At the end I learned to love it and you know, you see those gyms, Doug, and you see those mirrors. You know big mirrors. I remember sometimes they would just put you out there and say you got six to 10 rounds of sparring looking at yourself in the mirror. It's a big deal. At the end of the day, it's you against you. Sometimes, Doug, you against you is you with your own thoughts, which is not always easy. Being comfortable within yourself, Right.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I remember when my daughter Megan was swimming, they were really good about having the swimmer compete against themselves. You broke your PR. They really didn't put the emphasis on you came in first out of the heat or anything like that, unless it was a competition and they wanted to do all that. I remember that particular club and maybe most swimming clubs are like that. They really help the swimmer focus on themselves and line them up so that they are just competing against themselves. If that's what the kid wants to do, you know, if you want to get better at the free stroke or the backstroke or the butterfly or whatever, here's what your time was last time. What can you do to improve that? And so that was a really cool spot that I saw the you against you working really well. Also, you mentioned the whole college thing.
Speaker 2:I remember when I worked in youth ministry for those 17 years I worked with a lot of college-age kids who came back to my youth groups to be small group leaders and I remember, man, the hardest thing they had to deal with was managing their time Because, like you said, they would go to class and it didn't matter if they were there in the professor's eyes, right, like he's going to pass you or he or she's going to pass you or not. It's up to you if you want to pass the class or not. It's no longer in there. It's not that they don't care, it's just that they're not going to spend time babysitting you. And these brand new freshmen in college would find this huge abundance of time that like, oh my gosh, I don't have a first, second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth period anymore. It's like I've got two classes on Tuesday and one class on Wednesday and all this big gap of time and like, what do I do? It was really confusing and challenging for them. But it put them in this you against you mindset. Like, how am I going to you know? How am I going to fix this? What am I going to do? How am I going to fill my time? Someone would get jobs. Someone would come hang out at my office and spend hours there and helping me put together weekly sessions and whatnot. So you know they figured it out eventually. But that's what happens when you put yourself in a you against you situation, you know, and bringing that point up, community like I saw a lot of them lean into community. We had built a really strong, loving, supportive community in our youth ministry and so they felt comfortable coming in there and talking about man. I don't know how to deal with this, like, what should I do for these four hours that before my next class? And or you know, if my professor wants me to do this and and I, but I want to do that, how do I approach that? And so you know, I think community is real supportive.
Speaker 2:I remember Leanna, if she was a several podcasts back, was talking about her marathon experience and I believe she started out her running journey for that marathon kind of running on her own, but real quickly, early on in her training had found this community. I think it was with the Sacramento Police Department and they ran down in Folsom all the time and she connected with them and I remember talking with her. Her and I would check in with each other. We were both doing the same marathon but we weren't training with each other and I could just hear the joy Like when she was running by herself. She was very strategic, very like you know am I doing this right? I'm trying to figure this out, trying to figure that out.
Speaker 2:There was a lot going on in her head and then, the moment she started running with a group and I remember she said and she might've even said it in the podcast that she was real hesitant about, you know, joining a group.
Speaker 2:She didn't know if she was going to be able to keep up or if their paces were. It was all based on the pace. But she found a group that was that allowed you to be in a community where you got to be individual. You know, do your thing, but we're going to be there in the vicinity and some of us will run together and some of us are going to be ahead and some of us are going to be behind. So I think you know putting finding a community that is inclusive, collaborative, accepting and just, but you know it would. Also, she said one of the things that she was surprised it kind of elevated her game as well, because as human beings we naturally lean towards man I want to be able to run like so-and-so, I want to be able to. We just get in that comparative reality or maybe we just have that desire to improve our own game and we see someone else who can do it. So I really think that community support is big in the you against you whole theory and strategy about challenging yourself.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we talked a little bit about it. Um, uh, ahead of the podcast, you know one of the items I work out with David, good good friend of mine, and we joke around and, uh, he says it to his wife, I do too. Hey, we go lift weights at the gym. When David and I are there, I guarantee we're training 20% harder. Just, I don't know, there's this natural phenomenon about a partner there, but, Doug, to your point, he's a partner that encourages me. I have been in situations and I've mentioned this to you where I rode with a small riding club when I was first starting out and went to the first ride and I was super nervous, Doug, and I was in the back and not a lot of people talked to me and I and I wrote and I could barely keep up and got through the 32 miles and got to the end and barely did it and got my car and I went home and I did it, doug, you know I didn't want to go back.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So, not all communities, like you said, right and um, you know, are the ones we were also talking about the grand Fondo that we just went on. Um, what a cool event. You know. Pros, amateurs community, it was awesome. But, doug, when we were climbing Iowa Hill you were by yourself in the last 25 miles when you were hitting the wall. We're by ourselves. So it's kind of this. I think it's an additive and it's awesome, but you still have got to be you against you and also you need to find the right community.
Speaker 2:Right, right, like even when, uh, speaking of the grand Fondo, um I, I knew I was with the community the whole day, but there was big chunks of the day, hours at a time where I was all alone, big chunks of the day hours at a time where I was all alone.
Speaker 2:But I had this knowledge and this sense that, man, there's a bunch of people out here that are all alone in little spots, because some of these hills they're called separators, man, they just separate you from the group. You know what I'm saying. Some of the group is way ahead of you and some of the group is way behind you and all of a sudden you hear silence, man, you just hear your gears and the pedals turning and it's just you against you. But you know that every rider is. You know, man, if, if, when a rider comes up on you or you come up on another rider, there's always that little conversation like hey, you're doing good, or somebody has given you some, some encouragement along the way. At least that that's my experience. I know sometimes that may not happen for a lot of people, but that's been my experience.
Speaker 3:Hey, let me go back and talk about two analogies of this Misogi's they talked about in the book that I thought were real interesting.
Speaker 2:Yes, please do.
Speaker 3:One of them was a group of four or five people and they decided to do this challenge and they got on paddle boards and they were in the ocean. It was down by San Diego and they were trying to get through a channel. It was about five miles, right. None of them, doug, are expert, you know, uh, standup paddlers, right, paddle boards, they weren't. So they literally got up and they would just fall down. And they would get up and they would take two to three strokes and they would just fall down and they would get up and they would take two to three strokes and they would fall down.
Speaker 3:And at the beginning they said they thought there was no human possible way they would even make a hundred yards rather than this channel. And what they got up is they started focusing and the person said they focused on one perfect stroke at a time, yes, and that they could get one stroke and they could get the second stroke and they might fall, and then they would do that and they literally took it back to that simple of a thing. That got them through that challenge. And I don't even know if they completed the challenge, but the output of that was how do you focus on one single stroke. The other one that I thought was just crazy is they had those. Remember the four or five guys that went out in the ocean and they would have to dive down between eight to 10 feet and there was a 40 pound boulder, 80 pound boulder, 80, 80 pound boulder, 80 pound boulder.
Speaker 3:Yes, that they would. One person would go down, take a breath, go down, pick it up. They would try to carry it. They would carry it from eight to I think the person was about 18 to 20 feet was of this. They'd come back up for air and the next person did it. They had to do multiple miles of that.
Speaker 2:They had to do it. They did a 5K underwater 5K underwater carrying an 80 pound boulder.
Speaker 3:You know, one of the people that did that was an NBA player I won't mention who it is and that next year he literally said that his output and his success was based on the mental things he learned into that of being so focused on one individual item at a time, the small little chunks. So those were just a couple of examples of them, and they don't always have to be physical. Doug right, there was different examples of that.
Speaker 2:Absolutely. I think the NBA player did the boarding as well paddle boarding as well, because I remember in the book he said it taught him how to be in the moment. Yes, Like you had to be. It was a huge lesson on just being in the moment and it just elevated his game. And when his teammates said, dude, your game is just like a whole nother level, he attributed to those things that he did, those misogies he did to really elevate his mindset, his mental ability and just being present and in the moment.
Speaker 3:So, doug, if you think about Team Peach, we've been doing this for four or five years. I know we're going to do an end of year wrap up, but this year was pretty busy. I think we did somewhere between six to seven biking events. We did, I think, two running events, we went camping, a few other things. We've been pretty active in a lot of really cool things. So we had to ask ourselves, doug, and I'll ask you, have we actually done something you would consider to be a Misogi?
Speaker 2:Over the last few years. Yes, this particular year I don't think we did a Misogi, but the year before, when we first did Death Ride, I would classify that 100% as a Musogi. Even though we went up and did half the route one day and then we did the other half of the route the next day, none of us knew if we could do both routes all in one day, because we both knew for sure that just doing half the route kicked our ass on our training rides and I know for me personally anyways, I know I was I had some big questions like damn man, am I going to be able to put these two damn things together in one day and finish it? So I didn't. I wasn't certain that I was going to finish my first death ride and I was so glad that I did. And that does something to you, man.
Speaker 2:But what about you when we first signed up for death ride because Darrell remember, we knew about Death Ride years before we actually signed up for one it scared the hell out of us. I think Dave the fixer had done Death Ride and he told us his experience and his stories about him, and I had a friend named Ted Ania who told me about other friends he had who said oh, doug, you do more riding than them, you can do this. And so I was hearing things on the outskirts that said I can do it, but you know, when you got, when you're left with you versus you, you know it's they ain't going to know. All those people that were telling us that we're, we, can ride more than this person, or this person did it, or whatever, they ain't going to be there to get you across up them hills or across the finish line. It's going to be you versus you. So, but what about you, daryl?
Speaker 3:Well, let's just, let's just, let's be real. A big ride for us. A big ride Cause we've got several loops. We used to do the 70 and seven, 70 miles. It was the long route that we'd make around the lake, going up one side, going all the way up through Auburn, all back around, plus all your stuff and about 7,000 feet climbing Right. This is 104 and 14,000 feet of climbing man In altitude, up to 9,000 feet.
Speaker 3:I know that we talked about it, but we always put it and we committed. It truly was, and that's where I'm a big believer in this Masogi. It felt like a. I had no idea if I could do it. We trained really, really hard and, by the way, doug, as you know, it's an amazing day and not everybody finishes, and that's fine. I think it's a perfect example of a true Masogi. There's about 2,025 people each year that sign up and somewhere between five to 600 people actually finish all the passes. So that's a great example of that.
Speaker 3:And, doug, that could be many things, doug. That could be weather that we've had. We've had people with health conditions. Your bike could break down or you might just not be able to do it, and if you look at our team that has gone up there. We're at about a 50-50 rate for different reasons If it's bike things, if it was weather, if it was health or everything else, if it was health or everything else. So it was great and I think it's great that doing something you're not sure you can accomplish. I think we definitely passed the rule we didn't die right, which is good, which is always awesome.
Speaker 3:But when I look back on that, doug, we talked about it. We've talked about it since then and we went back and we loved it so much we did it again and I agree, the second year we did it I wouldn't quite call it a Masogi because I think we all felt pretty high. We could do it, talk about what you felt like after you accomplished that and talk about the next few weeks or the next months, what you took out of that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'll, I'll definitely go into that and I'm going to do it in a way that kind of kind of unpacks the, the four C's you and I have talked about in the past. And the four C's for those who haven't heard it before, I'll just give you a reminder it's commitment, courage, capability, because you learn a new capability and then you build confidence. And so I remember, man Darrell, the first day or the first time we did Death Ride all together as a team, and we were back at the Airbnb and there was just this aura and the sense of such a huge accomplishment and celebration and joy. And we got back to the place and, man, we were just having a good old time and reminiscing and talking about how hard this was and that was and knowing that we got it done. And so there was just this great feeling of satisfaction and again going back to the four Cs of confidence, like we just did that shit. We just did that shit. That's awesome. And again, we all had to commit, we all had to register. That's the commitment. And then we had to train. That's part of the commitment. You had to have the courage to show up to the starting line, whether you trained enough or not, just to go through it and see what was going to happen. That's part of the whole. Commitment, is the courage part. And then completing that whole thing, man, we all learned we had a new level of capability. Like it set us up, daryl, no-transcript race, and you know, racing 68 miles and 7,000 feet, man, that that's, that's painful, but it was, it was great. I wouldn't classify that quite as a Mussogee because I knew I had the distance and the elevation in my legs. But there's another race next year, the Levi Fondo. I don't know, that might be a Mussogee and I got to take that one under consideration, but we'll see, we'll see. But the feeling afterwards, daryl, was just really that confidence. That man, I just did that. It just really does impact the rest of your year Next time you go on a bike ride and you know what's funny, daryl, when we sign up after doing something like that, we sign up now for the Lake Tahoe ride, which the first time we signed up for we were kind of nervous Like, oh shit, that's going to be, man.
Speaker 2:That's, you know, 74 miles and 6,000 feet of climbing and it's at elevation and we were all tripping. We were tripping so much that we put another ride exactly the day before it. You know, another 7,000 feet, 70. So we added, we stacked on some. I don't know what the hell we were thinking, but we did all that.
Speaker 2:But now when we sign up for Tahoe, I don't think any of us think about Tahoe is going to be a tough ride, like Tahoe is. We go do that one just for fun. Now, that's just like let's have fun, let's laugh, let's encourage people, let's watch all the costumes that ride by. And sure, it's 70, you know it's not an easy ride. It's 70 miles, 74 miles and 6,000 feet of climbing. It's especially that back end man that that thing always gets me.
Speaker 2:But you know, I think it just gives you that sense of confidence. When I sign up for something now I know what's, you know what scares me and what doesn't. And there's not a lot of rides out there that scare me. I know there's rides out there that will scare me and I haven't signed up or I haven't seen them yet and those times will come. You know scheduling and all that kind of stuff, and I'm not making excuses, I just got to get one.
Speaker 2:I got to get something done for the sake of building more confidence because it does impact. It impacts how you connect with people, it impacts how you show up for yourself and, man, if you don't struggle, if you're not somebody who struggles with self-talk in a negative way, man, then you won't get this. But I do and I'm always talking to myself in negative ways and fortunately, I'm aware of it, so I catch it and I reverse it. But when you do something like that, man, it just gives you this ability to say, no, I just did this shit over here. Man, I can do this, I am capable, I am willing, I am courageous, I am confident, I can learn new things, new capabilities. That's what happens in a long answer, daryl. That's kind of what happens. After you do something, a Masogi like that, you just man, you elevate your own psychology and it's a beautiful thing, man, and I look forward. And we're just getting started, daryl. I mean, we really are in this whole big picture of just life.
Speaker 2:I noticed from you, daryl, personally, just your presence, your presence in your family, your presence with your friends, and bigger things for you are happening at work. That shit doesn't happen by surprise. You know bigger things for you are happening at work. That shit doesn't happen by surprise, that doesn't. That's not by luck. You know people. The universe is seeing shit in you. That's happening, unfolding and the layers are coming out, and I think that's part of this. It's all connected to you stepping into, doing things that scare the shit out of you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I think when we did Death Ride, I'd never even heard of this concept of misogyny. Maybe I've heard the word or everything. But looking back on it now it made you walk a little taller and I love the concept. It's like you do something like that. It affects the next 364 days of the year. However, it does more than just the physical. You know, I love this quote. If you want to have amazing experience, put yourself in amazing places.
Speaker 3:I still, in my mind, think about crossing over Monitor, the first hill, and going down Topaz and seeing the beauty, and every time I sit there and I pull over and I take a quick picture and I've got it sitting on my desk here. I think about Death Ride. It made me want to be out in nature more. Doug, yes, right, it has more effects than just some physical, you know, accomplishment or something else. It's like why am I not out here? So I think it can have a lot of impacts there and so very excited about it, even though, doug, we had an amazing year and we've still got a couple more things to go do I don't think we had a true Misogi, so I know it's in the back of our mind. We're going to have one in 2025. And if it's a Levi or something, we're going to come up with one and we're all going to commit to it and try. And we got to hold ourselves to that 50% Doug we do.
Speaker 2:We got to hold ourselves to that. We do, we do. But remember, part of the whole thing about the Misogi asl that we had talked about before was, and that it says in the book Masogis are inward facing, they're not outward facing. And so one of the challenges because for me, part of my livelihood is showing people on social media like, hey, I'm working with this person or I'm doing this and these are the changes that are happening to kind of promote and advertise what happens when you work with me.
Speaker 2:But with a Masogi, it's something that you commit to, it's you versus you, like you're not really announcing it to people, maybe to your very close inner circle, and then you're certainly not posting about it or putting it on social media. You're not advertising. It's something for you to develop you and, man, I gotta tell you it. It's something for you to develop you and, man, I got to tell you it it would be I'm. I'm just being honest, man and transparent, like if I did something really bad-ass that I could call a Masogi, I'm going to be posting that shit, Daryl.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't think it's a. I think it's good to go do that. I don't think it's we have to do that, but I don't think you all of a of. Can, Doug, do this Misogi, we have you on ESPN bet and have people betting yes or no on it, or something like that. But I'm excited of where we're at and the one thing and, Doug, if I recap and then we'll talk about for me got to be comfortable within yourself and I think that's what I've really learned If I take a look at some of the stuff we've done definitely the Misogyn Death Ride, because at the end of the day, it's you against you and if you can start to enjoy you against you, Doug, life is a much more peaceful place. Yes, yes.
Speaker 2:So, Darrell, let me ask you some questions, and I know we didn't really talk about this before, but because that's a big phrase, you know getting you got to be comfortable with yourself. So let me ask Daryl Gannis Daryl, are you comfortable with yourself?
Speaker 3:I am, and I'm and I. It's a journey, but I am. I am immensely more comfortable with myself than I was a few years ago. All right and absolutely.
Speaker 2:Okay, good, good. So let me ask you this next question. So, cause, we want to give people connections to how you get to be in that place, right? So has the last three, four or five years, since we've connected and been writing together and doing events together and really created this, this brotherhood and this bond, and started a book club and Team Peach has that been part of your journey of getting more comfortable with yourself and, if so, what elements would you pull from there that, say, are a big part of that?
Speaker 3:I think two 100% has had a huge impact on there.
Speaker 3:I think being around a really core group of like-minded people that we can be really honest with each other, talk about real things, about positive things, difficult things, things that challenge us, I think is a big deal and I'll be honest with you, I don't think I quite had that before. You know, our biking and some of our physical events, you know, are as much mental and almost like counseling sessions with each other just to be able to do it. So I think having a community and everything else and secondly, a lot of the things we're doing, you have to have a lot of time within your own self. A lot of the things we do is we do these more longer, endurance things, Doug, you have a lot of time by yourself if it's running, if it's biking, if it's being more consistent and everything else. So I think it's community, really good like-minded people that you can be real honest with each other and be there for and develop that. And secondly, just being more comfortable within yourself and some of the things we do gives us that opportunity.
Speaker 2:Ooh, I love that, I love that perspective, and I was literally visualizing some of the rides and some of the conversations we've had. And, man, you've described it so perfectly because we, man, we've had some of these, some of the most profound, deep, awesome talks, just transparent and vulnerable talks, and maybe they're 10 to 15 minutes long, while the rest of the ride is four hours long. And so you have these talks and then you get this big space and time out in nature to contemplate what you just talked about in nature, to contemplate what you just talked about, and, man, it's a beautiful setting to really kind of ponder and discern what's on your heart and what's on your mind. And, man, there are times where we kind of reconnect again and say, well, let's talk about this a little bit more, or maybe just that 10 or 15 minutes was enough. I mean, that's where the whole podcast Fuck Happiness. Came out of right. It was like a 15-minute conversation at part of a four-hour ride and we had some really great ideas and implemented some things and more things that need to be implemented from that podcast.
Speaker 2:It's really cool shit, daryl. Yeah, brother, I'm going to tell you I'm proud of you. I see the growth. I've seen the growth in you and I love how you love how you challenge me. You know when we talk and it's great it's not just listening to each other, it's also challenging each other because as you get to know someone in these hard, challenging environments, you kind of see people's real, real colors and you know where you can challenge and where you need to kind of just give someone time to find some answers on their own as well.
Speaker 3:Yep. So I love our title you Against you, no Comparison Shopping, yes. And the one thing I'll kind of leave you with, doug, just thinking back a little bit. I think when we first started riding there was a little bit more competitiveness, like maybe getting through a ride, and it's like, oh, doug got the best of me, or man Eric beat me on that last one, right, I don't think we do that as much, no, as we used to, but we still push each other the same amount. Oh yeah, but I just think it's different. Yes, do you agree?
Speaker 2:Oh, absolutely Absolutely. There's times where you know what I noticed. I don't know if this is something that Eric and I have just unknowingly have planned, but whenever there's a hill, I go and attack it and I'm just getting up that thing, I'm just scooting. But as soon as I'm about halfway up the hill, I'm like all right, where's Eric? Whereas I know this pulls him up, I know this gets him going. I know he's going to be coming by. And sure enough, man, you know, within the as soon as I have that thought, within a few minutes later, I hear him right behind me and he's like oh, you're doing awesome. I said I've been waiting for you, brother, I knew you were coming. He goes oh, you, you know you, you inspire me, you encourage me, and I'm like is that?
Speaker 2:sense of encouragement, but there is that I think all of us have a bit of a competitiveness in this world, but there's healthy competitiveness in this world and I think we have that. I think we definitely have that. Speaking of Misogi's, what's going? So like, have you thought about it? Do you got something planned Like, what's going on, daryl, I do, and Do you got?
Speaker 3:something planned, like what's going on? Daryl, I do and I can make mention because I will put it out there. Doug's, always you got to speak it to make it real. As you know, josephine and I so I think we've been married 14 years, be 15 years together We've always talked about going somewhere for Christmas not doing a big, of course we already have our trees up and everything else, doug, you know, decorated, but we're not going to do a lot of gifts. But we're going to go on vacation, right? So we're going on vacation. So we're going to Hawaii, to Maui. We leave on the 25th, we get back on the 3rd of January and in Maui there is what Strava calls the world's longest paved climb.
Speaker 2:It is from the sea all the way up to uh hakaleiho um volcano wait is that on maui, or is that on on the big island maui it's on maui.
Speaker 3:It's on maui.
Speaker 2:I've already got it planned and everything else and wait, so you're gonna do that, right, uh we're gonna do it.
Speaker 3:It's um, it's uh, it's uh it. There's a little bit of there. It's the world's longest paved climb. It's actually taller than Everest. From what you go below the surface Right, but from you, you in the morning, uh, you dip your back to tire in the water, in the ocean. They say you should. You're supposed to. I don't know if I'm going to do this. Supposed to fill up one of your water bottles up from the sea for hydration. I don't know about that, oh hell no, and then it's 32 miles up.
Speaker 3:It's 10,023 feet up to the top and that's what it is. It's about eight miles up until you get into the national forest and then you climb a lot of switchbacks in there. It takes five to six hours. So you just go from uh, from the bottom to the top, and I committed to it. I've been watching some videos seeing a few people there Um, uh, I. I have one Christmas gift that I've asked my wife for and she is going to ship my bike over because I need my bike.
Speaker 1:So she's going to ship it over.
Speaker 3:And uh, I'm going to do the on the 30th, at 31st, I want to. I want to get this Masogi done in uh uh 2024 and uh see what happens. And like I said, I don't know, I'm doing it on my own, doug.
Speaker 2:So we'll get a shot. Yeah, I mean, I've seen a lot of videos on that thing because it's something that I've, I've, I think we've shared to the team before. Hey, we should go do this, but you know, getting everybody over to hawaii at the same time, that's a big, that's a big ask, um. But I'm so glad, daryl, that you are going to go do that. So it's, it's locked in, is what you're saying?
Speaker 3:locked in. Locked in only the only debate. Debate is if it's the 30th or 31st, but I'm doing it this year. Um and uh, I've been watching a lot of videos and that and you know. Also back to the thing you against you.
Speaker 2:It's just gonna be me doug literally, it's gonna be you again, it's gonna be me, it's gonna be you against the damn mountain. What it's gonna be, that's a big that's a big climb, daryl. Wow, that's gonna be probably the biggest climb any one of us has ever done in a day, well in, uh in continuous and it's funny.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they talk about there's a.
Speaker 3:there's a half mile where it's flat around mile nine A half mile.
Speaker 2:You're going to love that half mile.
Speaker 3:We'll post some videos to get closer. But I know we've all kicked around a few ideas, Doug, and we'll try and lock one in over the next month or so of what we're going to do in 2025 as a group.
Speaker 2:Wow. Well, brother, I am so. I am so excited for you. I can't wait to hear all about it. Hopefully you get some sales service. I'd love for you to FaceTime the team from the top saying you did it and we can all say, fuck yeah, right on, brother, just, and then enjoy that long ass hill downhill. And I know on some of those uh let's let's chat about that, daryl, because I know getting enough supplies nutritionally on that ride sometimes can be a challenge.
Speaker 3:So make sure there are some things. Yeah, I'll definitely be talking through with the team and you specifically on different strategies. I've been doing some research on it, but I'm excited It'll be something a little bit different and I was, like I was always, you know, kind of thinking about, don't you think more than anything. We say yes, a lot more now. Yes, right, I mean just in general. Things come up and you're like sure, right, why not? Why put something off? I'm going to be over of there and everything else, and I debated it and all this and I love that part of our team. We say yes to healthy things often.
Speaker 2:Yes, yes, and it can you know, even even two years ago, daryl, you know, I don't think this is something you would have just taken on, not because of the ride itself, but because it's by yourself. That kind of ride by yourself that's scary man, you know. I'm just saying I'm not trying to freak you out, I'm just saying I'm not trying to freak you out, I'm just saying that kind of that kind of a ride by yourself could be a little uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:But, man, that that's misogi brother, that that qualifies now 50 50 baby yeah don't 51, I'm gonna go with 51, don't die, don't die, don't die. No, no rule number two man get a.
Speaker 2:Get a little sign that says I can't die on this ride people, yeah, yeah and you know I'm thinking about doug.
Speaker 3:I'm pretty. You know how josephine loves getting shirts. I'm gonna, I'm gonna get her, have her get a team peach and I'm gonna put a hashtag you against you. That'll be the front right and of the shirt, that'll be my undershirt right, that'll be my my thing. So, uh, we'll have some fun with it. So, but, um, looking forward to seeing you in a couple of days for the big thanksgiving, can't wait to hear a lot about the gratitude and what our family is thankful for. A lot to be thankful for.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's going to be a fun podcast. Yeah, that'll be fun. So tune in, man. Tune in and share. You definitely want to share that one, just to have just for shits and giggles and laughs and a happy Thanksgiving. But yeah, that'll be our Thanksgiving episode. It'll come out the day after Thanksgiving, but anyways, I think we're wrapping up here. Darrell, we're all good man, so I'm gonna just sign us off with our usual and say God bless you and peace out, peace out, world out. Bye.