Peach Podcast
Two guys and an occasional guest breaking open topics on: Purpose, Energy, Attitude, Commitment and Health through shared experiences.
Peach Podcast
S2EP09: Progress Over Perfection: The Real Journey
This week, we explore the theme of progress versus perfection, sharing personal stories and insights from our adventures in fitness and life. We delve into the valuable lessons learned from mishaps highlighting the importance of perseverance and growth over getting everything right.
- Sharing a story that underscores the importance of embracing imperfections
- Discussing the mental obstacles that hold us back from starting new journeys
- Insights into training and the benefits of seeking guidance from coaches
- Exploring the role of nutrition and hydration in performance success
- Delving into technology's dual role in enhancing and hindering our progress
- Offering encouragement to those hesitant to embark on new endeavors
- Emphasizing that making any effort is a step towards progress
- Discussing the impact of comparison on personal journeys and well-being
- Celebrating the adventures and lessons that shape who we are
As always, if you ever feel stuck, just start.
Hey, hey, hey. Welcome to the Peach Podcast. Just a couple of dudes and an occasional guest breaking open topics from everyday life on purpose, energy, attitude, commitment and health. So, if you're ready, listen in as we live, to learn from our losses, gain from our gratitude and laugh as we level up. Always remember, if you ever feel stuck, all you got to do is just start.
Speaker 2:Come on, let's go welcome back to peach podcast with doug and daryl for another awesome week. This week we are going to talk about progress versus perfection or, if you want to spin it, perfection versus progress. However you want to spin it, we're going to talk about it. We're going to talk about it in your physical health, in your mental health, your nutritional health and any other ways that it might manifest itself as we start digging in and asking questions and breaking down topics Before we dive deep into the topic.
Speaker 2:You got this. I noticed you got this scar on your hand and I asked you about it. But you keep sticking to the story and you say you're going to stick with it. But I'm going to challenge you a little bit to get a little transparent right here with the people. How did you get? You got stitches, man. Why'd you get? So? Here's Daryl's story, by the way, just so he can say I'll save you from sharing the story. I asked him how he got them stitches and he said all I can say is that I saved Eric from being attacked from a mountain lion or something like that. And I'm like what? So tell me, daryl, what's the where's the stitches from? What happened, man? What's going on?
Speaker 3:Yeah, the text from my wife was who did you snitch on right? Snitches and stitches? So snitches get stitches. Yeah, yeah, the text you don't want to send to your wife. I'm at urgent care getting stitches and x-rays, uh, on a Thursday night. Uh, first of all, uh, welcome, I love the topic progress or perfection. Trust me, this uh relates to my story. It was progress, drug Doug it wasn't, it wasn't perfection at all. Got pretty inspired. We're training for the shamrock in a couple weeks. We're got two weeks away. Man, it's exciting and that's coming up and of course I can go with the.
Speaker 3:Ralph made me do it because he got me out trail running with Eric a little bit and I ended up seeing something about a trail run in Salmon Falls. Salmon Falls is a wonderful area, a little bit on kind of the edge of Folsom Lake. It's a place that we go by a lot and do a lot of our cycling right through there, green Valley Road, get out and do some amazing hills as we get up to the Salmon Falls and they had a trail, beautiful, just gorgeous, gorgeous. And so they had a trail run out there and actually you took me on a great hike one time, remember. Yes, I do Up there Really, really cool, really cool. And so I went ahead and thought about it and it was a half marathon trail, so you're running on dirt and others and kind of had a group text with a few of us and Eric had a little inclination to go do it and we signed up. So we signed up only like like seven days or six days in advance and so we said we'll go do a trial run, we'll go up there on a Thursday. We're running a half marathon on a Saturday, a place we've never been.
Speaker 3:So we went up to Folsom Lake and went on a run and the reality was, you know, the Bobcat story would have been really cool. I saved uh Eric, but the reality is I fell. I fell on the trail. We uh, we're going to go on about a four or five mile run to kind of get our acclimated to the trail. Uh, I was with my big hookah running shoes, which afterward I was told was probably not a good road race, a shoe to be running on a trail. And uh, as I've heard, uh, those rocks can come up and uh can attack you on the trails.
Speaker 3:And we were only about maybe 0.4 miles in Um and we actually didn't even get on the right trail.
Speaker 3:And uh my toe caught a rock and I went down and I hit my hand and Eric said, oh, you okay. And I looked and my hand was a bit tore up and we knew that we needed stitches right then. And I got up and Eric and I had like a 10-year-old spat on the trail. He's like we're going back. I said no, we're not. He says yes, we are. And he started running back one way and I started running the other and he said to me I'm going to call Josephine, oh, my wife. And I said you don't have your phone. He's like, oh, you're right.
Speaker 3:And so he gave me a little rag and I wrapped it up and so we finished our ride and came back, but it was pretty humbling, and so, anyway, it was Thursday and the race was on a Saturday, so I ended up getting to urgent care and getting stitches and getting my arm x-rayed and it was fine. And the whole time, you know, in the back of our mind we both had the same thought is are we still going to do this, Are we still going to do this? And, um, the reality was I got stitches in my hand, I went home, I was a little sore the next day, Uh, and we did it and it was a great experience, something very, very new.
Speaker 3:So this was a half marathon, a trail run right it was. This was a full on supported event and everything you signed up for to pay money signed up for it it was the uh salmon falls, a 50 K endurance run. So there's a 50 K and they also have a half marathon. It's every year and so, uh, we did the half marathon. There was other people that were doing a 50K, which 50K is, I think, right around 31, 32 miles and really fun experience, really cool community, very different. You're running up and down some hills, rocks, mud, you cross a couple rivers really cool, interesting things. Eric mentioned to me we were about four or five miles in. He says are you still smiling? Cause it was like we were kids running, right, it was so awesome. Then, about mile seven, we weren't smiling as much because you know the pains cave started kicking in, but it was fun.
Speaker 2:It was fun. Let me ask you a question. Uh, trail running. So sometimes people pay a call like fire, roads, trails, but was this like actual single track trails where only one person at a time could fit on the, on the, the trail, or how was the? What was the trails like?
Speaker 3:Um, it was mainly single track and I no idea. But when you start running and you're on a single track, if you need to pass someone, you literally have to kind of ask them to pass. You know, like, hey, can I pass? And because you know, there was maybe a, maybe one or two opportunities where it's maybe two or three, but it was very much kind of single track, dirt, rock, um, uphill, downhill, and literally if you're going to, let's say, somebody came up behind you that was, you know, a little faster than you, they would generally run and they would ask hey, can I, can I get by you? And you find a little spot for them to go, to go. But I'll tell you what when somebody comes up behind you, the past you, what do you? What's the first thing you do? Doug, you go faster. Right, you go faster.
Speaker 2:And then you're like polite, you know different things there.
Speaker 2:And so, uh, hey, you know what, though I want to? I want to highlight your, yours and Eric's sense of adventure and willingness, because, I'm just thinking back about three weeks ago, you guys went for a training run and then you kind of inadvertently said, hey, let's take the trail next to the actually paved road. And so you took these trails that weren't there, and I've I've run those trails that you guys did a few weeks ago and they're, you know, they're not brutal, but they're fun, they're on dirt and it's kind of next to the lake and all that other stuff. And then, after that, you go do a testing training run on, uh, you know where you get stitches and all that other stuff, and then that that few days later you're freaking running a half freaking marathon, which I saw on Strava was actually more closer to 14 miles than it was 13.1 on a trail. So good for you guys, man, for your sense of just wonder and awe and exploration and commitment to go try new shit, man. That's awesome. Good for you, man.
Speaker 3:It was very fun and our topic is perfect. I know you're going to outline it, but trust me, we were in the progress, not perfection. We were the absolute new people. And as I came home and I know that you mentioned it and, by the way, thank you Dave Vigil called me the next morning, Friday, after I had my stitches. His first thing was you were running in your street shoes, weren't you?
Speaker 3:I said yes, I was right, so I progress over perfection. I ended up having to get trail shoes, which I had ordered, but they hadn't come in. Thank goodness they came in and they made a world of difference. So, uh, I think this is a good episode, but, uh, very exciting, the Bobcat would have been an awesome story. I did text with Ralph and he was like that's so cool. You got a scar on a training run, so he was all fired up.
Speaker 2:So that's awesome. I think you should get a Bobcat tattoo. You can always. You can have the real story. You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3:Yeah, and, by the way, my wonderful wife. When I told her about that I was at urgent care, she didn't say did you fall, Are you okay? She said, did you fall again? Because I had tripped on a curb a week before. So she brought me back to kind of humble town.
Speaker 2:Oh, that's right. That's right. Yeah, you were slamming down on a pavement before.
Speaker 3:Yeah, so I was running behind a group of ladies, we were talking and we're running, and somebody said our group motto is hashtag stay vertical. So it wasn't just about finish, it's just don't fall on the trail, right? So that's, you know, that's a hashtag stay vertical.
Speaker 2:So you know, Darrell, you and I are big into habits and building habits, and once you do something, once you just did something, that's by chance, but once you do it twice it's a habit. And I better, darrell, I hope next week we're not talking about where you fell again, man, because then we know we got to look at how to unwind this habit. Yeah, I know this is the second time, but it's all good. But you know, let's get back into the title progress versus perfection. I love this topic. I love, um, that we're going to speak to people and share some of our own stories and just, I think this is a very relevant for this season, randy. This season is foundation right. We're really trying to give people tools that are foundational so that they could, uh, as they are trying to level up, as they're trying to make lifestyle changes, as they're trying to get healthier or eat better or whatever, just be more committed to whatever their dreams are, their desires. Are that, man? You really got to start looking at this progress versus perfection. You know, daryl, in the work I do, working with people, so many people beat themselves up when they have a mishap, or they don't do something just right, or they ate the birthday cake and and so they say, you know, screw it, I'm. You know I can't diet. And it was that, that old saying you know I'll start Monday, right, I'll start Monday. Or if you go for a test ride, trail run, and you fall down and you split your hand wide open, right, most people would have turned around and said, okay, run's done. But not, daryl, you know you're, you're locked into the progress, like, hey, let's wrap it up, let's keep going. Um, it wasn't a perfect training run, but it was a training run where you learned it's perfect. It's great for this topic because it's just really about man, what we man.
Speaker 2:If you can really buy into this whole concept of just making progress and that anything you try, especially if you're a beginner or brand new at something, I mean you're going to fail, you're going to mess up, you're going to fall down, you're going to get scraped up, you're going to take steps backwards, you're going to lose it all. It's all going to happen and that's part of the journey, but that is also part of progress. Part of progress is failing. Part of progress is setbacks. Part of progress is injuries. Part of progress is not knowing what the heck to do or feeling like you can't do it. That's all part of progress, but you do it anyways. I mentioned all those things, but you do it anyways. That's called progress.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think the journey is really, really important, I think, if you can just continue to put that one foot in front of the other. We're going to go through some examples here, which I think will be really good to kind of outline some things that you and I have both done. But if I look at it, the beginning is number one is what are you trying to do? So I'll take the examples. When we first started kind of getting together and starting to cycle Uh, the first time I went cycling, uh other, by the way. I think it's a great example. We all grew up riding our bikes. You know how to ride a bike, right, that's you know. And I've done it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, but most people know how to do it. I, I've ridden, I've ridden on trails, I've done all this. But there's a big difference between that and actually doing cycling. And when we started riding, eric and I at the beginning of COVID, also with Paul, we'd go on five miles loops around the neighborhood, we'd go on the bike trail. Eric and I look like basketball players on a bike. I got to stop him.
Speaker 2:I got to stop you for a second. So when Daryl says they look like basketball players on a bike because they were literally wearing like basketball jerseys and these long shorts that go down past your knees and big socks that go over your head, I mean they look like they were going out to shoot hoops, man, and they're out there riding bikes. That's some of the early pictures.
Speaker 3:So just to get me, everybody give that visual, go ahead. Yeah, the visual is like think of magic johnson and larry bird on a converse commercial on 10 speeds, right, so it wasn't, it was not pretty.
Speaker 3:It was not pretty, uh, but when we uh, we rode with you and david and jr and a few others and we actually did a hill, uh, and we did some climbing, and we came back and I was like, wow, we committed to do this century and I was like, wow, I need some help. So one of the things I did reach out to is I went to the local bike shop and where I got my first bike, the Trek Amanda, and ended up just connecting with a guy named Bruce. With a guy named Bruce. Bruce runs a very, very successful athletic camps, does everything from endurance training to cycling training, to bike fitting, a lot of different ones, and he also does coaching.
Speaker 3:And I talked to him and I asked him and you know Bruce real well and I asked him for a little bit of help.
Speaker 2:He fitted me. Yeah, he fitted me on my bike as well. Shout out his what's the name of his business? Let's shout him out, Cause he does a lot of great work.
Speaker 2:Yeah, athletic camps, athletic camps in Folsom, california, athletic camps in Folsom County. He works with a lot of people. He's got all the high tech equipment. Hooks you up to computers. He's dialed in Like he. He can train you If you're a pro level. He can train you heart rate monitor, power levels, all that stuff, bike fittings. But check out Bruce at Athletic Camps. Tell him Peach Podcast sent you.
Speaker 3:And we'll put his link in the show description, since we're going to talk about him and as I got to know him, you get a lot of wisdom, gives a lot of good feedback and everything else. Him and I have a little bit of a background. He actually worked in the high tech business for a while before he started his own business. A longtime cyclist did a lot of competing and others.
Speaker 3:So, all of a sudden he talked to me a little bit about the coaching he does and I learned a little bit more about his business and I signed up for, I think, three months with him and he put me on a program. It's called Training Peaks. It's a good. You've actually, I think, used this program too and it's a way that you can go on a website and it's got kind of your schedule and the coach can actually upload different training programs for you to go. Do you go? Do them through the week, you upload your information, they review it and give you feedback, and it was really cool and doing that got me a little bit more into not just hey, let's go for a bike ride, but I actually had a plan for the week, plan for the month, and they would update. The cool part about it and you definitely helped is the concept of structural tension, right, the idea that you know I've got some sort of a plan, I've got someone I'm a little bit of accountable to and everything else. He really and I did not understand this one bit and I want to talk about it and then I want to get some feedback from you.
Speaker 3:The first 10 to 12 weeks he talked about. You're going to build a foundation, and I'm like, okay, well, maybe that's just a marketing term. He's like, no, it was like you're just going to get your feet underneath you, you can get your legs underneath you, we're going to get you to a point where you could actually ride. What does that mean? Right, it really was slowly building a foundation of fitness to a level where you are on an even playing field. Then you can actually do more, and 10 to 12 weeks Um, you know, that's very different, you know, than than I had done. Uh, the good part I really liked, even though there was a lot to it, he had three items he focused on. I need to get you in. They called it seat time. It was the amount of time you're actually riding your bike per week, right?
Speaker 2:You have to physically.
Speaker 3:Hey, I need you to be, you know, six to eight hours. And he and he worked with me on I'm going to have you an X amount of seat time. I'm going to ride so much time per week. He really focused on my heart monitoring. I, you know, heart monitoring is massive, especially in cycling and others. And he said, and, by the way, once a week I need you to go climbing, and he would give me a suggestion and everything else. He also, at the end of the, on the on the trails and, excuse me, on the um training pinks, he'd give me a suggestion of hey, here's a route you might want to go take. Right, so think about it simple. I, here's the time I need you to do the type of uh type of workouts, focus on heart monitoring. And once a week I need to go do that. And I look back on it now and, uh, I want to get some feedback.
Speaker 3:He took the guesswork out of it for me. Right, it wasn't every day. I was thinking about what do I do today? Right, I had a structure. I wasn't on my own. Let's say, I was supposed to ride on a Tuesday and I couldn't. I would just put in there hey, I can't do it. I can move it from Tuesday to Wednesday, but I had a plan Right and um.
Speaker 2:I do think that was helping you overseeing it as well.
Speaker 3:Absolutely, and uh, so those were kind of, when I look back on it, and there were some things that were hard. Um, you know, uh, I remember the first time I had to go do some, hey, I need you to ride and I need you to get, get your heart rate up to some level and I need you to ride for five minutes. Yeah, I'm like, okay, no problem. I got up and that five minutes, I looked down on my my and I was at two minutes and I felt like my heart was going to explode and I was like man.
Speaker 3:I only did like three minutes I could. I couldn't do the five minutes, but I went back and I uploaded and he said good job, here's what I want you to work on and everything else. So I just think overall, when I think about the beginning and looking back on it, that was really cool and it helped. But you just love to hear from your feedback, but I was brand new into this and it helped me a lot.
Speaker 2:Yeah. So before I give any feedback or anything like that, let me just ask you some questions because, man, what a blessing you had to have someone to come along, give you some structure, put you in this zone and watch and and with training peaks it's really cool. I I use that. When I trained for my marathon, I had a coach watching my heart rate and my pace so they can see without being with me you know how my body was doing during these training runs, so they would adjust. Uh, depending on you know how how things were going.
Speaker 2:But with that said Daryl, like I want to get into your mind a little bit, when you had all these things and you mentioned earlier a great part of your. What you just shared in your story is that you know he told you to go out and pound it for five minutes at this high level, but you got maybe three minutes in. How did that feel? I mean, did you feel like you were failing? Did you feel like you were? You know you weren't good enough or did you just take it on and say, okay, well, I did three out of the five and that's just the way it's going to be Like? How did you deal with stuff in the very beginning mentally.
Speaker 3:I think I remember coming home from that ride and I was pretty down. I was pretty down and the thing was is with all the monitoring and the um, the GPS. When I uploaded it, you know I knew that you know it would give you a score on that section in that and I probably got like a five out of 10 on that. That. That workout, uh, but it was cool because I felt like, oh man, and he wrote back, you know, a little, gave me a little feedback. Sounds like the heart rate was this here's some ideas You'll get there. And it really opened my eyes to it's going to take me 10 to 12 weeks to get up to that level and it did. It really did, but I got it.
Speaker 3:I was a little bummed and I was by myself, but having that coach out there, that would give me a little bit of feedback. And also it wasn't like the old school like maybe I was in high school where the coach is just, you know, yelling at you. It was, uh, encouragement, some ideas and a little bit of uh, you know, go, go, uh, go go. Focus on going from three minutes to four minutes. Next time. Maybe you won't get to the five, but yeah, I get it. I did have some frustration, you know. You think, oh, I'm going to, I'm going to knock this out, I'm this, you know? No, I was brand new. That's why they call it the beginning, you know, right, right, so uh, but yeah, it was, uh, it was a little humbling.
Speaker 2:No, I love that and I love that that you had a coach, um, but I want to talk to the people, cause not everyone is going to be able to, I guess, let's say, afford a coach or enlist the help of a coach because of timing or maybe finances or whatever. Um and so. But, man, if you can have a coach, if you're brand new man, the benefits, because that it's so awesome that Bruce I know Bruce and I know Bruce, he understood. Hey, daryl, you know Daryl's, this is week one and he's got 10 to 12 weeks of this stuff. You know he's not going to meet.
Speaker 2:A coach is going to give you a routine to assess what you can do. Most coaches don't expect you to knock it out of the park in week one. They're like they're going to give you some, some structure to see what you can do, to kind of test you out, and from there they'll start building and layering in, you know, a routine and structure that's going to be more fitting to where you're at after about two or three weeks of just really being consistent, and then you'll get some things that you'll start managing more and you'll start reaching some levels, and then, of course, a good coach will elevate that and your structure will go up. Uh, depending on you, know how your heartbeat's doing, how your pace is doing all that other good stuff. But that's awesome, man. But if you don't have someone there to hold you accountable, if you're going at this all alone, which many athletes do I think a lot of really, really elite athletes, man. I think a lot of them train alone because not many people can train with them. They're just at a whole different level, and so they find themselves going out and pounding it really hard on their own.
Speaker 2:And if you're one of those people who has that kind of a mindset, maybe you're not an elite athlete, but you have that kind of a mindset where you're doing it alone, or maybe a more self-assured person. You know, be generous, be kind, give yourself grace and know that, as Daryl said in his cycling, he was gonna take 10 to 12 weeks to build a foundation. Give yourself time when you're starting out to get to a foundation. Your foundation isn't day one. That is not your foundation. That's just let's see what you're going to do, let's see what you're made of. It doesn't mean you go out and kill yourself. No-transcript, 50 K or a hundred mile run, whatever it's going to be, you'll build over time, but it takes time.
Speaker 2:So, um, fitting with progress and perfection, just just want people to know that, man, set yourself up to look at just making progress and if you can along the way, even if you go on day one and it feels like shit, you got to come back to the house or wherever you're at and say you know what, I just did that shit, that's progress. That's progress because the day before you weren't doing it and so all you day one, people or people who haven't started, get started. Just start. Like the podcast says in the beginning, if you ever feel stuck, just start. But let's go into. So how have you matured from that, daryl? Like, uh, tell me some some things that have have grown in you and that you're maturing in from, maybe your cycling seasons beginnings.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I also think, uh, as I got a little bit, got a little bit more mature, you know I really focused on, you know, always learning from others. We'll talk about technology in a little bit. One of the things is Bruce does have group rides. Remember those group rides he did every Wednesday. Trust me, when I was first starting he wasn't inviting me to the group ride. Probably a couple months in he said by the way, wednesday is at this particular time. Why don't you think about coming out days at this particular time? Why don't you think about coming out?
Speaker 3:And also, the bike shop up there used to be Folsom Bike. Now it's a Trek store, a great place. They used to have those monthly rides, right, and people would get out there. And you do. You get out there and you learn some new routes, you learn some things. I remember the first time he called me and said hey, what are you doing on Saturday? Meet me for a ride. He helped me on my techniques postures, turning, climbing, descents, group safety, right. I thought I knew how to ride a bike and I did. But there's a lot of different things and it was really basic type things. And think about this I think one of the funny parts was I was riding and you're riding up a hill and you're tired, and he was behind me and I was looking down and you know, just normally your head's down, you're a little tired, and his feedback was nothing's good on the ground, nothing good down there, keep your head up.
Speaker 3:Keep your head up, little things on equipment, and then I think, over time it's a lot about other things being better prepared, planning, nutrition, hydration. I remember the first ride that Eric and I did. We went up to come back. We ran out of water halfway through right. We've been riding for like almost two years and we ran out of water three o'clock, 90 degrees outside, and we're looking at each other going, what are we doing? And we literally pulled off the road at this very high elevation, found some snow, dug the snow and put it in our water bottles. We were totally unprepared, so you got to keep learning and maturing and learning from others. So it was interesting. It was a lot more about being better prepared, nutrition, hydration, but to this day I still keep it back to those three simple things Do I have the right seat time, how is my heart rate and how is my climbing Right? So I think, even though you might get better, you still have some basic principles.
Speaker 2:Right, right, right, yeah. So I love what you just shared because, man, you can just tell in the very beginning, showing up on your bike in, uh, first of all you were showing up in in basketball gear, you know, on a, on a, on an awesome bike and uh, and then you, you know, you, you geared up, got more better equipped, got some training, got some coaching. And what's really cool in your story, daryl, is that you, once you got to that foundation, you started maturing and saying, okay, where else can I level up? And you started talking about your nutrition, your hydration, um, just getting routes prepared. I mean, it really is a process. You know to.
Speaker 2:When you're in this, you're making this progression. This progression is a process and it just it's constantly evolving. And you know, to be honest, I don't think we ever arrive. You know we always. You're always going to get. If you're consistent and you keep doing it, you're going to get better. Things that were hard in the beginning are going to be easier down the road. While they're not going to be easier, you're just going to be better at doing it and it's just going to feel easier. And then you're going to be looking for bigger mountains to climb and longer routes to take, and how to nutrition or how to fuel yourself properly for longer rides and so forth and so on, and making sure you don't run out of water. Well, I love that you shared.
Speaker 2:Even after two years of riding, you and Eric didn't plan properly. You know, like it's just, it's that's part of the progress, that's part of the learning. Experience is, um, you know it, it's not going to be perfect all the time and that's okay, because I know, I know the story and I know you guys kept on writing. You guys, you know, got your. You didn't stop, you got. You found snow and you kept going, and so that's a progress, progress, progress. Brother, you weren't focused on perfection because certainly, being stuck up there, that's some high elevation and that's the way. There's nothing out there, daryl, I know where you were talking about. There's like no one's coming to save you in that spot, that's for damn sure. So, um, you know, but you did it and you made progress and it was, and you learned a valuable lesson and you've, guys, never been short on water ever since that day again, on any ride.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, and I think there's a. I did tell Bruce about that and he laughed. He says, oh yeah, that's very common. And I kind of looked at him and he said, yeah, I always bring two extra bottles and when I'm going he takes two extra bottles. When he starts he gets about a third of the way through. He looks at a spot, tosses them in the bushes somewhere, marks it and on the way back he gets them. I'm like, wow, that's pretty smart you know what I do, what?
Speaker 2:I wear my running vest, yeah, and I put two 50-ounce bottles and then I put two more. I put about 10 pounds of water extra water on my vest, so that I have the extra weight while I'm climbing, so that I can train with that extra weight. And then what's really cool is, as I'm drinking the water, I get lighter and lighter and lighter. So on my way back it's like let's roll, let's roll.
Speaker 3:That's that next level stuff. I'm not there yet, Come on.
Speaker 2:Darrell, you are there, man. You could easily handle that, especially now you're in great shape. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:But, uh, the, the last part we wrote down when we were getting ready for this is so you got your base underneath you, you got a little bit, you're mature, you got a little bit of knowledge right, so you're getting a little bit better is is how do you maintain, how do you grow, how do you increase?
Speaker 3:And you know, number one I would say is once I built that foundation, man, you do not want to lose that right, like if you do everything you can to kind of keep at that level, if you can, right, right, uh, and then I think a lot of it is more about the other items that we're going to talk about Mental nutrition, sleep, uh, planning, like we talked about, is just as important as physical work. Um, you know, the second year, uh, that we trained for death ride was very interesting. We all look back on it. We actually did less miles as far as training. But I'll tell you what we were very focused, if you remember, doug right, oh, my goodness, we had two very intense, hard months of training right there. We actually did less miles preparing for it, but our miles, I think, were more focused and more disciplined there.
Speaker 3:Very strategic and, uh, I think that was a lot, of, a lot of interesting things, and the more and more I read and listen to podcasts, I can't, can't hit it enough Fueling, fueling, fueling, fueling right. Um, the end of the day and I know you give me a lot of grief on this is I just, I guarantee, for I don't fuel enough, I don't feel properly. The better I can, I can do that, the better your, your body actually reacts to your training and everything else, and so, um, I just think, overall, once you get to a point where you feel pretty good, right, and none of us are great we got a lot of improvement. How do you maintain that? And then how do you dial in some of the other items?
Speaker 2:Yeah, those are some great points right there, daryl, and you're right, it really is starting off with that, being patient and persistent enough to get to that foundation. You know, day one is not your foundation, day one is just your starting point. But with some consistency and some time you will build a foundation and then you're going to just start. You know, man, that's when you start working on man, especially the mental, especially the mental stuff. For me personally, that is paramount to everything else, because your mental will lead you to your nutrition, it will lead you to your sleep, it will lead you to planning. It's just going to put you in a different mindset when you really start understanding that training is painful, it's just uncomfortable. There's more times in my experience and with people I talk to when they're in training for something hard or something big, there's more times that it's just not fun. It's just not fun. But what keeps people going is progress, not perfection, and the idea of being able to finish something. And again, it's just the idea of finishing something, because when you get to the event or whatever it is you planned for yourself. You may start, but there's no guarantee you're going to finish, guarantee you're going to finish, but so you know, in all this training, in the weeks or the months or the years to lead up to something, you know there's a lot of mental anguish of like, ah shit, I don't want to go.
Speaker 2:I had to go run today, darrell. I had to go do what was today time trial, running stuff, so a lot of intervals and stuff and speed work and man, I just it was a beautiful day out too, but for some reason my body felt a little extra sore, my mind felt a little sluggish and man, I'm putting on my shoes and my shorts and everything going. I don't want to do this. And then I got a phone call and I'm like I'm going to answer this call. And the call lasted. I stayed on the phone for a while with the person. Then I hung up. I'm like, ah shit, I got to go run.
Speaker 2:But and the whole time I ran I did not feel like I wanted to be out there. I still did the work. You know I'm on a training schedule. My watch beeps when I'm supposed to sprint and beeps when I'm supposed to, so I didn't have to think out there, that was good. But the whole time I just did not feel like being out there and when I'm running, a lot of times I'll feel I'll, I'll click in and say, ah, this is why I'm here. But I think those speed work days or those time trial days, they're, they're just a little extra harder. So I don't know, but they're shorter, so I don't know why I can't just dial into it. But this this morning was a little rough and really the only reason I'm sharing that is because that's progress. That's what progress sounds like. Sometimes it just sucks.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would agree Anything with me and running in the word speed should not be in the same vocabulary whatsoever. So I think that was a good kind of look at our journey. But also, trust me, we listed some of these, but we could list a lot more. There's a lot of pitfalls. So let's just be honest with ourselves. We talked about some of the positive items, but there's a long list of pitfalls, so why don't you start?
Speaker 2:Yeah, so one, one of the biggest pitfalls that I learned personally, uh, last year when I was training for my marathon, was training too hard, I mean the whole time, and I had a coach, daryl, and she was using training peaks and the whole nine yards and and I remember she would, you know, email me or text me and say, hey, you know, it looks like your run was great, but I noticed you went faster than the suggested pace and I know you're feeling good, but you got to reel it in man, those slow pace days are actually you're giving your legs time to rest, but if you're going too fast your legs aren't resting. And I just, for some reason, I ignored that and I just felt I ran off of feeling or trained off of feeling instead of a plan. So one of the pitfalls is just training too hard, going too fast, pushing too hard.
Speaker 2:The old school right Just grind, grind, grind. No pain, no gain, you know. And then, unfortunately, injury for many people pops up, especially as you get older, up in my. You know I'm 58 years old, you know I'm more susceptible to injury just because my body's been through a lot more I'll tell you.
Speaker 3:You know, I don't know about your situation, but I remember growing up being in like junior high and high school. High school football beginning of football was called hell week. I don't know. Oh yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 3:I remember that that was the mentality back then. Right, remember, you would be out there and they wouldn't give you water, right, and the first day of the first day of hell, hell week, nobody, nobody left running until somebody puked. It was like the old school way of doing it and a lot of cases they would under fuel, underwater and everything else there. And it's very much changed. You still have to go hard and everything else there, but that's kind of like the old school. And look at, like you said, in our age, that equals injury, right, that equals you're shut down. So that's probably one of the biggest and I don't know if that's the current generation that has that, but that was the generation I grew up in and there's still that mental in the back of your mind just go push harder, you know.
Speaker 3:Right but yeah, not, not a good idea.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think you know, I think you, I think that you're that's hardwired in you, daryl Cause, when I, when we're out there writing like you don't, it's perfect example you know you fall down, split your hand open. You clearly see it needs stitches and you keep going. Man, that's the, that's that old hell week mentality, man, it's they'll lives in you, brother, and that's all good. And I think that I think there's a place and a time for that, like I'm glad that, uh, you know the troops who serve us and give us, you know the freedom we have.
Speaker 2:You know they go through shit like that because in those kinds of careers you're going to go through extreme situations where you're not going to be able to eat or drink, and so you need to learn how to live like that. But for the common average, joe man, it ain't. You know you're doing yourself more harm than good. It's great for mental toughness, though, to go that hard, but overall, for training, you know, like these high-end, top-paid athletes, they're not dehydrated and they're not lack of food, man, they're on a very strict eating schedule, making sure they get enough calories and a hydration schedule. You know, making sure they're getting enough hydration throughout the day as well. They're not trying to starve themselves or go through any kind of hell week kind of stuff. They do train hard, they do train hard, they do train hard. So they've got to even eat more than the typical person does. What about frustration, daryl? You ever get frustrated when you're training for something and you just don't see the results. I think that's a pitfall, man. This just takes forever sometimes.
Speaker 3:I couldn't agree more and I think, especially starting out something new. You know, you know I started training for the first time kind of jumping up with you doing some running. I probably trained 10, 12 weeks of running before I had a run that I didn't absolutely hate and I was able to catch my breath and everything else. It takes a while and you know that concept of you go to the gym one day, you go to the gym seven days. You probably not going to see results for quite a while, but you will if you, if you do for it, just that, that concept of just overall, just doing something, that without seeing results. I'll just mention one thing.
Speaker 3:I saw something on Strava today a person that is a amazing runner right, she is an awesome runner, she has trail run someone, someone I work with and everything else that I follow on Strava. Her tagline for her run was zone two, gone bad. And basically the comment was that she couldn't get her heart rate down enough to get into zone two and I'm like this is probably one of the best. It was so encouraging for me. This is like one of the best persons I see that does trail running and she had frustration, right, right, um.
Speaker 3:So it just kind of was like, okay, it's okay, you're not gonna, you're not gonna be perfect every day, but, um, yeah, I just I think you not going to, you're not going to be perfect every day, but yeah, I just, I think you just gotta just you know what do they talk about, right? You know? Discipline over emotion, right, just focus on discipline, just focus on the next step. Don't worry about the highs and lows. But yeah, it's a, it's a, it's a big deal and I think, starting out, it's really hard.
Speaker 2:Oh, it's very hard. It's. It's a easy pitfall for people to turn around and give up, throw their arms up and say you know, I can't, I can't do this. I remember when I first, a few years back, when you and I were talking about running, and I tried to run and I got calf injuries and shin injuries and I'm like you know, I'm just not designed for running and I gave up. There was multiple years I gave, I tried running and it wasn't until I shifted my identity and said I'm a runner and was willing and that's what made me willing to take on injuries as part of the process and understand that I'm making progress and it doesn't have to be perfect. But yeah, just you know it could be real frustrating starting out and even if you're beyond starting out and you're man, you know what was frustrating for me.
Speaker 2:When I did my first trail run with Eric. It was a 10 mile trail run and you remember the run. You were there the weekend before Eric and I went and did that trail and we did nine miles of it. It was a 10 mile run and he said we're only going to do nine, we're going to let you do 10 on the actual day and I'm like, okay, cool. So we went out there. I felt strong, man, I did. I was beating my times, I felt really great.
Speaker 2:But the day of the event I go out there, I started out strong and, man, did I take a hard lesson about nutrition, hydration and electrolytes, all that stuff kicked in because mile seven my calves cramped up and I could not. I could barely walk. I finished, but I did the last three miles on some killer trails, shuffling like an old man wearing slippers in Costco man it was. I mean, I literally was shuffling across the damn finish line. It was embarrassing, it was life lesson, um. But uh, and I learned, I learned a lot. I learned a lot. So so you can get frustrated, even at the event. You know frustration comes in. But did I stop? No, I did not stop, I kept on going there. I kept on going, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, uh, we'll list a few of the other ones. Uh, the, the, the C word comparison, probably life lesson. You know, you're always comparing, comparing to other people. Um, uh, you know, always, and I don't care how good you are, there's someone better right? Oh, yeah, there's. There's that analogy. You're at the gym and you look to your left and you see someone you're like wow, man, they are way better in shape. And you look to your right and you see someone you're like wow, I'm, I'm way better than they are Right.
Speaker 3:You know it's just life, um, you know and um I love the analogy Uh, there's that one that says, uh, I'm not a good runner, right, there's these things. And then then the next headline that comes up and says only 10% of the people in the world actually run. So the fact that you're doing it, you're already, you've already kind of won, you're already in that 10%. So it just it's, it's difficult, it's our whole life is about comparison with social media and other different things there. I do really do enjoy some of the endurance sports that we do Doug, running, cycling because there's people that are way better than us and other people that are still learning. But when you pass them or they pass you, everybody encourages each other. Majority of people encourage each other, which is pretty cool.
Speaker 2:It is cool to be around that kind of environment where there's not many things you do, where somebody is encouraging you as you're passing them. You know I mean a lot of. We live in a competitive society and you know it's win, win, win, first place. Or what's Ricky Bobby say If you ain't first, you're last. Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I think the pitfalls and you mentioned it too many times Overall, you try to do everything yourself, right? I think? Definitely cycling for me, man. I always pick people's brains, right. I always ask them questions. To this day, I still ask them questions. Somebody were writing up on Death Ride. That's done it seven times. I'm going to pick their brain on different ideas of what they did and versus there. But I think overall and with today's technology and with communities and with the internet and with everything else, you don't have to do it yourself. Maybe you can't afford a coach or something, totally get it, but you can. You literally can go do. We'll talk about technology next. You can literally put in anything and find a YouTube video on it. Put in anything and find a YouTube video on it. Oh yeah, you don't have to do it yourself, right?
Speaker 2:Right, right, or you can listen to Peach Podcast. We'll throw down some tips along the way, and so share this episode.
Speaker 3:You can learn how not to go get stitches in your hand and wear the right shoes.
Speaker 2:Exactly, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3:You can figure out what not to do right.
Speaker 2:There's a reason they sell trail shoes, trail running shoes. Yeah, hey, daryl, real quick, I'm just on the comparison thing, real quick, and then we'll hit the next line. There is, unfortunately, and if you're one of these people, if you're listening and you're not trying something new or you're not even going to the gym. I loved your gym analogy. Looking left, looking right, you may be in comparison mode. You may be thinking you're not.
Speaker 2:Too many people don't go to the gym because they feel like they need to be all perfect. Right Again, progress versus perfection. This is huge people. If you're not going to the gym because you don't feel like you'll fit in, or you don't look the right part, or you don't know how to use the equipment, that's okay. There's people there that will show you. There's actually instructions on most machines that show you how to use the machines.
Speaker 2:Start off with machines, of course. Keep it easy, but don't let comparison keep you out of working out or exercising or going to a gym. Step into that. That's part of being uncomfortable. You know making that decision to say you know what F it. I'm going to the gym and I don't care how I look, I'm just going to go do my thing. I've seen people dressed in like slacks and you know, like a dress shirt, who look like they just got off of work and also didn't really look like they knew what they were doing much. But we're in there doing something and I'm like you know what. Good on them, man, at least they're here, at least they're here. So I just wanted to just kind of throw that out there, and I know we kind of cruised through comparison already, but I wanted to add that little two cents.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I think that's good Tools and technology. Man, I'll tell you what. We live in an amazing age and I can only imagine what it's going to be like in the future. And there's a ton of pros, there's a few cons. We're going to talk to them.
Speaker 3:In our world, doug, I think the big three to four and there's many other ones is you take Strava, which is a big community for everything from running to cycling to working out. You can track your kayaking and everything else. Garmin, which you've heard about forever, which has a lot of the GPS, different things. We use our watches. They've got communities. Apple Health there's so many other ones. Whoop, whatever those are, they're pretty cool. They're a combination of, I would say, tracking, social and also tips and tricks. Let's just take a good example of Strava.
Speaker 3:When I first started cycling, you have some people that become Strava friends. You can see the different routes they take. Right, you can actually go search. Hey, I'd like to go look at this search. Hey, I'd like to go look at this. I was camping one time, doug, I think I mentioned to you and I put in where I was camping and it pulled up the most popular cycling routes in that area. So there's some amazing things. The other thing I will highlight oftentimes they're a combination of free and paid, and the free ones are pretty good. I mean, they're really good. Of course, we'll talk about YouTube in a second, but for many, for multiple years, I was using the free version of things. You know, you actually thank you. You got me a gift the first time for the paid version of Strava and it opened up some new, different things. But we live in a cool, a cool, cool time. There's some amazing things that really can track your progress.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you're right, and they can track your progress. But let's talk. Is that that's a pro? That's a pro? What would be a con from having some of that technology? Daryl comparison, yeah, yeah uh fomo um.
Speaker 3:I read an article that said strava is is uh, strava is stressing me out on my uh, on my marathon training, where you know they would get back, because you kind of get addicted to your last one or you. They got this concept of PRs, personal records, and it's awesome when you get them. It's bad if you don't. Wow, why am I running 10 seconds slower per mile this week than last week? Why did Steve absolutely crush this hill and I can barely get through with it and you can really get wrapped up into it. There's a positive I love analytics, I love all the different data you big data, it's awesome, but there's also a psychological you know aspect of it, too, that you just need to learn over time.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I think it's, like you know, especially with Strava, it is a social media app. That's it is. It's all focused around fitness or or or outdoor activity, or just not necessarily it is. You're like what? This was stolen by so-and-so and you're like, oh, hell, no, Daryl, a couple years ago there was a couple times where I literally went out on my bike and I said, okay, I'm going to go get wrapped up in what you know, the comparison, what everyone man, I should be in Cancun, or how come I'm not on that vacation, or where, how come I don't have a new card? Same thing with this. Uh, with Strava, that's probably the biggest one out of. That's really the social app and it's a great tool. I mean, it does uh we talked about.
Speaker 2:You don't have to do things alone. Strava is a great place if you are getting into fitness and outdoor activities. It's a great place to be connected to other people, like-minded people, who are doing stuff, and you'll be opened up to new areas and new routes and new things. And, like you said, if I'm going to go visit a new town, they have a cool feature where you can type in the name of that town and it's going to give you the best. If you want to run five miles, it's going to give you the best five-mile routes. If you want to run 10 miles, it's going to give you the best 10-mile routes. If you want to do mountain biking, you can click on mountain biking, dirt roads and it's going to give you the best dirt roads.
Speaker 2:So it's got a lot of great pros, but some of the cons, and really it's not the app, that's the con. I think it's. It's our, our mental ability and just how I think in in today's day and age man, we are just conditioned to compare. We are just, it's just a conditioning thing. Man, I feel sorry for our kids because they're really growing up in that that whole season, man.
Speaker 3:So yeah, yeah, I gotta tell the apple and garmin story. Yeah, what'd you know? There's, there's some good ads out there that talk about people either wear an Apple Watch or maybe some runners or different people wear a Garmin and they talk about two people went out on the same run, right, and the Apple Watch. When you get through it, your Apple Watch is great job, julie, amazing run. You're so great, your fitness is moving to the next level and all these sunshine and flowers. And then it shows the Garmin app right, and it says Julie, what's wrong with you? You ran slower than you've ever run before. Your heart rate is out of this thing. We need to up your training program are you?
Speaker 3:sick. Are you sick? What's wrong with you? So there's like the sunshine, and then there's the others, and now, at days right, they have ai there a lot of them are are putting beta ai things and it looks at all your previous items and actually keywords and different things there and give you a little bit like a like a doctor's report card. Yeah, right. Um, at the end of every run. So uh, there, there's some, there there's some funny stuff.
Speaker 2:Strava does that now with the AI and I there's most of the time. I appreciate it, but they do have that little undertone of hey, although this pace was slower than last week's average, like, well, why did you have to tell me that, man? You know this is it's, but it still looks like you were in a high tempo zone or something. So they, they finish it off with some positivity, but they, they, they definitely have you comparing yourself to whatever you're doing, which I guess, if you're trying to make strides and improvements, you need to know that you got to just have some thick skin around, that, that's all.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah. Yesterday, uh, eric and I went out and did a trail run at the American river and it was really nice. It was beautiful evening. Oh, the weather right now in California and Sacramento it's just absolutely amazing. Probably five to six o'clock I think. We ran. It was beautiful sunset coming down, everything else, and we're almost done and I and I and I I pulled over on the trail. I said stop. I said Eric, come on, let's take a picture. And we both like had it. We, we didn't have our phones, we had no technology, and we like looked at each other and laughed we're like wow. So we went out and ran and we didn't have our phones, we didn't have music, we didn't have everything, and we lived.
Speaker 3:I mean we, you know we lived right, you know so, uh, so you know, technology is really cool, um, but you don't always need it.
Speaker 2:No, you don't, and you know, right now, we're all me, you and several others are training for a shamrock right now, which is a half marathon. Well, actually, you and Eric and I think a few other people are doing there. On Saturday, you guys are doing the 10 K and then on Sunday you're doing the half marathon back to back, um, which is awesome. So I'm, you know, I, every day, I have a training plan that Garmin has given me. Um, that's the one of the cool features about Garmin is that you get free coaching. Um, it's all. I don't know if it's AI or not or what it is, but I have this training program that I just follow. It uploads to my watch and you know, I don't have to think. I just click the button and says are you doing the workout today? Yes, I am, and then I go. It gives me a warmup, the run and then the cool down.
Speaker 2:But, man, I was when I was out there running today and, as I said earlier, there was just nothing fun about nothing fun about today, nothing I enjoyed today. But I got it done regardless. The weather was good, thank God. But as I was running, I'm like you know, I'm almost after this marathon. I'm almost thinking about, you know, not even getting on Strava or just going. I wonder what it would feel like just to go run, just to go run and not worry about my pace, not worry about my distance. What would that feel like?
Speaker 2:And I think I need to enter into a season like that for a couple of reasons. One, just to kind of get into more awareness. I'm big into awareness, so just self-awareness of how I feel physically, mentally, emotionally Running is really healing for me and it's very medicinal. So I want to tap into a little more. But when my watch is going off, saying hey, you're behind pace or you're ahead of pace, you know it takes away all that just being present. You know I'm more focused on what the AI coach is telling me to do instead. So I'm going to give it a season. But again and I really want to and I think that's going to lead me more into just focusing on progress getting out Can I get into a state where I look forward to getting up, putting on my shoes and actually going for a run, because there's I'm not tied to any kind of an outcome, just run because I want to go run, because I can, because I'm not in a wheelchair, daryl, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2:I got my legs and I can go run. Man, I'll never forget that when I ran my marathon one of the biggest motivating factors when I was dying around mile 18 or 19,. All these people got these encouraging signs. There's music going on and cheering, and all this and I'm dragging ass big time going, wishing this whole thing was over. And then all of a sudden I look up. I had enough energy to look up and look to my right and I see this lady. She's not smiling, she ain't cheering, she ain't got a sign, but she's sitting in a wheelchair.
Speaker 2:And man, I'm just like holy, I'm like Doug, you need to shut the hell up and just run because you can, because she doesn't get to, you know. So you better go run for her and for you, you know. And so, uh, you know, you see, little things like that. They just kind of they kind of motivate us and uh kind of get us moving. But this whole thing, daryl, this whole topic is really about progress versus perfection, and so I want to bring it back to that. Let me ask you a question. If you could go back to your beginner cycling self, the guy who was wearing, you know, who looked like he was getting ready to go play hoops on his road bike what would you advise that person in this scope or in the realm of progress versus perfection?
Speaker 3:Well, when I, if I was to go back and tell that person, I would probably two things. Number one this is going to be a lot harder and take a lot longer than you think to get to a foundation or get where you think you are Okay, right, well, you think you are okay, right, well, okay or good, right, whatever, you know, not not great whatsoever, but it will be 10 X more worth it than you think. But that's easy. Kind of looking back on it Now, uh, trust me, there was some of the hardest things I probably have ever done in cycling.
Speaker 3:Um, just some of the endurance, some of the mental, some of the different things, the frustration not getting better, it just I would say it's harder, it takes longer, but the reward is probably 10X of what I could have imagined. That's probably when I look at it. And that whole concept of how do you find those little the progress along the way, how do you, how can you find those little nuggets of progress to keep you going? That that'd be my thing. So same question for you. But, uh, running Cause I know that, uh, like you, just, you've mentioned several times you you went literally from you know couch to marathon, right, just you know from there, what would same question to you, what would you go tell yourself, kind of looking back about some of the things you did from a running perspective.
Speaker 2:Yeah, almost like verbatim what you said. I might add a couple of things, though, and and again just reiterate that this is going to be harder than you think it's going to be, and make sure you're doing this because it's something you want to do, and I would also let them know. You're going to meet some of the most amazing people and you're going to learn from those people and you're going to learn so much about yourself, but you're only going to learn about yourself on the worst days, on your setback days, on the days that suck, the days that you don't want to show up, which, by the way, I would tell this person, are going to be most of the days that you just don't want to show up. The days you want to show up are going to be at the event with your friends, at the new connections you've made, or the barbecue and beers you're going to have afterwards. Those are the days that you sure that's the easy time, that's the celebration. It's not whether you finished the event, it's about that. You, you've trained for the event, um, and just let them know that. It's just, uh, you know, get clear on why you're doing it.
Speaker 2:Make sure it's something you want to do and I, because I know that a lot of people find ways to be connected. Human beings want to be connected with one another and sometimes we're doing stuff just for the sake of connection and we may hate it. We may hate it, fortunately. I love cycling and there's something about running that I love. I don't know that I actually love the actual act of running and the training, but there's something in the process, while I'm making progress, that I love about it. Like I said, it's very medicinal. So I would share that with my beginning beginner self and again I would finish it off the way you did that it's going to be 10x what you think is across. That I don't want to say finish line, because there is no finish line, but at each event or something, every time you accomplish something, it's going to be 10 X what you think it's going to be. And you might want you just might want more.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep. And my last one closing comment is you might need to tackle a Bobcat along the way, or trip, or, or trip and hit a rock. Same thing Bobcat pretty much the same thing in my world.
Speaker 2:You could have been Bobcat Teeth man, you don't know. You fell really quick, hey Darrell. So quote card time Quote card.
Speaker 3:Are you ready?
Speaker 2:I'm ready, All right. I saw this quote and it makes me think about you, because you're a very concise, strategic thinker and I said I'm going to give him an easy one, but I want you to peel it back a little bit, even though it's an easy quote. Well, at least I think it's easy for you. The quote is you either solve the problem or leave the problem, but never live with the problem. I'll say it again. I'll say it again you either solve the problem or leave the problem, but never live with the problem. What does that mean to you? And peel back some layers. And why does it mean that to you?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think, overall, a lot of the things that I focused on over the last maybe 18 months is control what you can control and learn how to cope with what you can't. And you know, you look at something and you know if you've got something, solve it, put your effort into it, don't let it, don't let it fester and everything else. And if you can't move on, right, you know, I think more and more just, you know, the one thing in our life that we're not going to get back is time, right. So you know, delaying something, not taking care of something, just letting something linger and fester that you can deal with, you need to go do, and if you can't, then just let it go, let it go right. I think time is the one thing you want to go do, try and close the things you can. So you know, control the things you can control and cope with the things you can and move on. So that's what that's what I think about that quote. That's a good one.
Speaker 2:Yeah, love that, darrell, love that. Thank you for answering that and peeling it back a little bit for us here on Peach Podcast. So we're going to just wrap it on up, man, and we're going to close out like we always do and I'm going to say God bless and peace out. Peach out, peace out, we're out.