Peach Podcast
Two guys and an occasional guest breaking open topics on: Purpose, Energy, Attitude, Commitment and Health through shared experiences.
Peach Podcast
S2EP10: Why your thighs might be more important than you think for living a long, healthy life.
Doug and Daryl explore the connection between longevity, community, and consistent healthy habits while sharing updates about the upcoming Shamrock Run and celebrating Team Peach member Dave's 60th birthday.
• Upcoming podcast guests include a women's health trainer from World Gym, a physical therapist who's worked with Olympic athletes, and Ming from Haley's Cycle
• One week countdown to the Shamrock Run with new friends joining the race and tips on tapering training before the event
• Celebrating Dave's 60th birthday and his impressive lifestyle that includes running, cycling, business ownership, community service, and social connections
• Discussion of longevity research from Blue Zones to modern approaches like Peter Attia's "Medicine 3.0" concept
• Surprising insight that thighs are the third most important body part for longevity after heart and lungs due to mobility benefits
• Research suggesting three months of consistency can reset your health baseline, while three years can significantly reverse previous damage
• Two-year anniversary of their book club that's evolved from self-development books to deeper works like Viktor Frankl's "Man's Search for Meaning"
• The importance of community connections and intentional discomfort for personal growth and longevity
Hey, hey, hey, welcome to the Peach Podcast. Just a couple of dudes and an occasional guest breaking open topics from everyday life on purpose, energy, attitude, commitment and health. So, if you're ready, listen in as we live to learn from our losses, gain from our gratitude and laugh as we level up. To learn from our losses, gain from our gratitude and laugh as we level up. Always remember, if you ever feel stuck, all you got to do peach podcast land or just podcast land, man, because you're everywhere. You're everywhere. So this is another week of Doug and Daryl. We don't have a guest this week but, man, we have been talking to some people and we've got some fun and exciting guests lined up. When they'll actually be here is still unknown. We're working out schedules. Hopefully next week we'll have a guest, but if not, we'll bring you some awesome and lively topics.
Speaker 1:We're going to have a trainer down from World Gym in Healdsburg. She's an awesome trainer who's going to get on here and share a little bit about. She works exclusively with women, is big into women's health, women's nutrition, women's mental wellbeing and mindset. She's really a fun person to talk to, a knowledgeable person to talk to. We also have I'm working on a physical therapist who's been doing physical therapy for several years, who has worked with Olympian athletes, still trying to connect with her and get her connected so she's from Healdsburg as well. Try to get her connected and share some foundational things that we can think of as athletes and apply to our lives day in and day out.
Speaker 1:I know Daryl has some connections through his boxing gym a lady who started opening up her own fitness gym. She's been interviewed on other podcasts how she views women's health and just health in general, so it'll be nice to get her on board as well. And we have just a plethora. We really it's really going to be a buffet, a smorgasbord of different types of people, different mindsets and different topics. So, uh, with that said, daryl man, what's up, brother? How you doing, what do you got going on.
Speaker 2:Man, I'm getting hungry. Uh, buffets, man, I'll tell you, buffets is something. When we were growing up, Doug, you know, we'd probably only go out to eat maybe like once a month, right, and when we would go out in Sacramento it wasn't like today, you're like doing Grubhub and everything else there, yeah, so we would go. There's two kind of big restaurants we'd go to. There's one we would go. There's two kind of big restaurants we'd go to. There was one it was called Oki Frijoli, Oki Frijoli, Oki Frijoli on 2820 Marconi Avenue and it was a Mexican buffet and you would come in. And I went and looked it up. It closed in the mid 80s. It was $1.25 for the lunch special and it had this one line that you'd go in and it was a Mexican buffet and it was good. Oh my goodness. There was like a salad bar area. Then they had the middle meat pair area and then they had like some tacos and burritos on the side and I remember my mom would make me get the plate and go through the salad line.
Speaker 2:You know, because I just grabbed the plate and went right to the tacos and the beans and the rice and all that things I had to. She made me I had to get my salad. I'd have to go back to the table and spend five minutes picking through my lettuce before she would like, like, like, let the dogs out. So we used to go there.
Speaker 1:My dad loved it.
Speaker 2:And then the other one I don't know if you remember there's. There's. This one in Sacramento is called hometown buffet.
Speaker 1:Oh, you know, there's like when I lived in Concord there was a hometown, but I think there's like is that a chain or?
Speaker 2:something. It was. It closed down in the early two thousands and they'd have an area. It'd be like one area was like the breakfast area, the other area was like the Asian food, the other was like fried food, and all this and hometown buffet was the bomb.
Speaker 2:It was like way before and you would go there and, oh my goodness, I'd walk around like dizzy. Okay, do I do breakfast, do I do this, do I do this and everything else, and then the last one I got to do is Mr Steak. Did you guys ever have a Mr Steak?
Speaker 1:in the Bay Area.
Speaker 2:No, I never heard of it. So Mr Steak was like every six months because it was part buffet, right when you did your buffet and then you'd also you'd order your steak. So you'd go through the buffet line and then they would bring you your steak and I was like, oh my goodness, they're bringing food to the table. That was so cool, right, and they'd have a little steak and put, so it was like a half and half.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a little fancy and a little buffet, a little self-service and a little get served. A little fancy, a little buffet. You had to leave a tip for that one on.
Speaker 2:Exactly, exactly, exactly. And yeah, buffets too much anymore. But well, you know what?
Speaker 1:I think with the, with the world a lot of the people in the world, at least in my view, and the people I surround myself with it's very health conscious. Yeah, you know, even people who are unhealthy are striving to get healthy with like with ozempic and wygovy and all those things, like they want health, and so I don't. Uh gosh, sometimes I get invited to go to a buffet and it's like the least attractive thing that. It's like, really, I, you know, I'm not gonna. I'm I might get a few things from the buffet line. I'm just not. I just don't eat like that anymore. But back in the day though, daryl, like in the eighties, when it was happening, I threw it down, man, and threw it down.
Speaker 2:And when I looked up the because I was looking up Oki Frijoli and there was like this Reddit article and it had all these people, those quotes, and I forgot they used to have the. Remember the old self-service soft cone ice cream? Oh yeah, and those were. You get your own and, as like a six-year-old, eight-year-old kid, I got to get my own ice cream. Oh my God, I was in heaven, man, it was heaven. So we got a buffet of guests coming up. We also have Ming, who actually owns Haley's Cycle, the cycle company that I got my bike.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's right Ming yeah.
Speaker 2:Ming and so he looks like we're headed for next week. He sent me a note back and everything else. So, yeah, a lot of really cool stuff. So today we have a buffet of topics so we're going to talk about three or four. So we're going to kind of tag team them. I'll hit the first one, shamrock, and then you hit the next one and we got four of them. So, shamrock, we are one week away. One week and a couple days. Super excited, march 15th and 16th. Just to remind everyone, that's the big Sacramento kind of fun run. It's right around, of course, st Paddy's Day. Everybody going to be wearing their green tutus and everything else. There. There's over 5,000 people plus family and friends. It's down at Raley field, so at the uh, the baseball stadium where the A's are going to play next year, which is hard to believe the professional A's are going to be playing there and we're going to be running the bases there. Uh, there, um Doug, for most of us we got our long runs in already, right.
Speaker 2:You know so we're kind of on the downward, downward trend. Um Oli, um Morales, who's uh? Who's his wife, who's done, I think, two half marathons. She's going to be running with us. I saw her, uh, you know, knock out a 10 miler, uh, a couple of days ago and so I said good job on your long run. So we're kind of in that that tapering thing. So talk to me about this tapering thing we talked a little bit about last year.
Speaker 1:Yeah. So before we talk about the tapering, I you know, I know you just said we're done with our long runs. But, daryl, I'm looking at my trainer, my Garmin trainer, and my Garmin trainer is telling me to run 14 miles this weekend, like the half marathon is 13.1. And I just don't know if the thing the trainer's broke or what. But I'm gonna taper because I've done, I've trained for long distances before and I just can't imagine doing this. Maybe it has to do with me just getting comfortable with the distance so I can work on speed. I'm not sure if there's any pro runners out there or more seasoned runners, because I'm not a seasoned runner, I just like to run that. Have some advice or tips why my long runs are staying long and not shortening up. You know, a week before the fricking run, uh, please let me know why.
Speaker 2:I think this is a AI gone bad because uh because we got like five of us that have running plans and I'll have a five mile, eric will have a six mile, uh, josephine will have you know something and Doug'll have a five mile, eric will have a six mile, josephine will have you know something and Doug will have a 42 mile. And I'm like Dad, what are you doing?
Speaker 1:I'm just trusting and you know what? I'm trusting the process. And the crazy thing is is I'm doing these runs and I'm feeling good and I'm like, okay, whatever, I'm just going to trust the process and keep. And I'm not going to do 14 miles this weekend Cause we're we're going to do a bike ride, uh, with Dave and we'll get into Dave in a minute here, but so, yeah, so the whole tapering thing is just as you get.
Speaker 1:You're going to train hard, you're going to do a lot of distance, you're going to do speed repeats, hill repeats, you're going to work hard to build up, uh, endurance time on your legs. Just like when cycling, you need seat time right, otherwise, man, it's going to be hell out there. Same thing with running you need leg time. And so when you're doing your long runs in your training period, you are going at a pace that's about 90 seconds to two minutes slower than your race pace, and that does a couple of things One, you're giving your legs time to recover because you're not going hard, you're going really at a very comfortable pace. And two, because you're going at a slower pace, it makes you be on your legs a little longer for that particular run, whether it's five, six, 10, 12, whatever miles, and so it conditions you just being on your legs for that duration. So it helps build endurance. But as taper time comes, you back down, you lower the mileage, you lower the pace and you really allow your legs to rest.
Speaker 1:So, like next week, so Monday, starting Monday, because it's next weekend, not this weekend, but next weekend is the race, so I'll be barely running. I'll be barely running, I'll be doing a lot of stretching. My nutrition will be getting a little more dialed in. I mean, it's pretty dialed in now, but I'm going to really watch that. And it's fun tapering, man, it's a lot of relaxing.
Speaker 1:And it's crazy, daryl, because mentally when you taper for me anyways, you're so used to this structured schedule and working hard and doing speed repeats and just getting out and getting after it. Whether it's a easy run day or a hard run day, it doesn't matter, you're stuck in this structure. But mentally, on the last week before the event, when you're back and way off, it's hard because you're like, oh man, I don't want to lose what I've gained, I don't want to lose what I gained. But, man, you got to trust this process because what'll happen is when you give your legs that much, enough rest, give them enough rest. The day of the race you show up so fresh man and your legs feel great, your lungs feel great. You don't lose anything that you've gained. You actually have restored and reset your muscles and your lungs and you feel amazing. You know being if you don't get sick or anything like that, but you feel amazing so. So it's important to taper and do it well and just trust the process. That's all I'll say about tapering for now.
Speaker 2:You, you told me about this last year and I thought you know it sounds kind of odd. It was very odd not running very much that last week, you're right, and I've read a few articles about it, but it's else, um, and they're just kind of working through them and everything else. We got some new people, uh, so, uh, dave v, who's not new to running at all, but he's coming down from soco to run with us. We'll talk about that in a minute. That guy's been sneaky training man. He's been putting in some miles and getting faster.
Speaker 2:Uh, josephine's first time doing a shamrock. She did, uh, her 10 K. Uh, turkey trot, angelina is going to join us. Oli um, who's awesome. Oli's, uh, jose's wife, she's great. Um, she's uh, she's done two, uh, two half marathons and I literally was on social media and mentioned something to her and said, hey, shamrocks coming up, it sounds, sounds cool, and she's like I'm in Right, and she's been crushing it. And then we got uh, david, my friend from, uh, from the neighborhood, his first half marathon and he's just like me last year. He was just telling me.
Speaker 1:I wish he was tomorrow. I just want to get it over with. I just want to get it over with, so he's doing the half marathon.
Speaker 2:He's doing the half marathon man.
Speaker 1:Good job david, good to see you. Man, it's gonna be fun running with, running with your brother and I, and I threw him a couple bones.
Speaker 2:I was like, hey, you could do the 10k. He's like, nope, I'm doing it. He's like I'm doing it, so it's cool. Uh, so it's gonna be fun. Uh, josephine angelina, a few people are gonna be running.
Speaker 1:So have you heard from uh liana? She's still running it no, she's not.
Speaker 2:no, she's not. So, yeah, she's still kind of working through some of the medical things and everything else, but no, josephine reached out to her and I don't think she's going to run. I know she's on the mend, so look for hopefully running with her later this summer.
Speaker 1:Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, Okay, good, good, good. And then who else is running it? Oh, I know, again, you said earlier injuries and stuff come with this. I just want to give a shout out to our boy, Tony Valene. Yeah, you know, he started out, signed up, he registered for the event, he was committed and man, he uh I think he tore his meniscus or something in the process and early on, and what a mind struggle and mental and struggle that was, and just you know, and frustrating. It was real frustrating for him to like try to figure out what the hell's going on with this. And he finally got in, saw a doctor. I think he's having an MRI. He might've had it today.
Speaker 1:We'll have to reach out and find out what he got and what came back, but definitely, you know, he's definitely not gonna be running the race and that's okay. I texted him. I was texting him the other day and I just said, hey, man, that's. You know.
Speaker 1:What a lot of people don't understand is that injuries and setbacks and, you know, natural disasters, all that stuff is part of this process. You know, it's not a failure, it's not a, you know, a time to be sad or disappointed. It's a time to kind of just dig deep inside yourself and say, okay, how am I going to respond to this? How am I going to respond to this? And if we can just remember that running events are going to go on. They've been around for decades, maybe centuries, right? When was the first marathon? Way back in the ancient times, right? And so these running events are going to go on for the rest of our lives.
Speaker 1:Be patient, be kind to yourself, give yourself grace, let yourself heal properly and just know that this is that's the cool thing about running. Isn't becoming a runner, isn't just about being able to run. Man, one of the greatest gifts about being a runner is you learn how to deal with adversity. You learn how to rise above your emotions, you learn how to you know just grit things out and you learn how to accept things with grace and move forward.
Speaker 1:That part of the progress to make you know, for progression is sometimes in a setback is to rest In order to make progress. You got to rest and, man, that, darrell, you know as well as I know that that is one of the hardest damn things to do, especially when you you got momentum going and you're in the groove. So big shout out to you. Tony, I know you were frustrated. Now you know you really want to do that and I know you hear these words that this is just part of the process. I know you know that, but I want to just reinforce it and nurture that in your soul, in your heart, brother, because we love you and this is part of the journey, man, embrace it, embrace it, embrace it, embrace it and let's just keep on moving forward and we'll get you signed up for the next one once you get yourself diagnosed and get a little treatment plan to get you better.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I really love seeing different people's training approaches. Right, you know, you've got slightly different one, I've got one. They're all somewhat similar, but different approaches and different ways to go do some things. Depending on this, like I said, last year is my first year, so I was just trying to like survive. You know, this year doing some different things there. We're going to have some people over, we're going to have a dinner, a spaghetti feed. Josephine makes some awesome things for our rides often and for some of our running things. There will be garlic bread, by the way.
Speaker 2:Last year there was supposed to be garlic bread. I came home like a half hour late and Josephine texted me and was like Doug ate the first loaf, I'm like you mean he started the first. Like Doug ate the first loaf, I'm like you mean he started the first. No, he ate the first loaf, right. So we're going to have multiple garlic.
Speaker 1:That shit was good man. That was that shit. That garlic bread had crack in it. That's all I'm saying, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so, uh, so we're excited. Um, couple of things. I think we're kind of kind of come up with some strategies and stuff. I know Eric says he wants for the, he wants to run with the pace group to start. He's going to pick a pace group to start. We'll kind of we'll kind of figure out where to go and it'd be fun anyway. So definitely we're on the home stretch for that, so that's good. So, as we're recording this, we also have another big event, so I'm going to turn it over to you, doug.
Speaker 1:Yes On this. As Daryl said, as we are recording this in this moment, on March 6th, it is one of team peach members birthday dv. David v heel the fixer. Dave the fixer, it's his birthday and it's not just any ordinary birthday man. This is. This is a big one. He is turning 60. 60 years old man. Can you believe that, daryl I mean Dave's getting old man? What happens to you when you turn? I don't even know what happens when you turn 60,.
Speaker 2:Daryl, I don't know. I looked it up and I said is 60 old? And it said well, they said some people categorize middle age from 40 to 60, but 60 is right on the edge of you're getting old, You're getting old. And then I said the next line underneath, what happens to men when they eat 60? And that's what scared me the concept of hormonal changes in male, uh, menopause, right, yeah, Reduce muscle mass, increased body fat fatigue, decreased, uh, libido, Uh, you know, and I was like that, ain't that, ain't Dave?
Speaker 2:man, that ain't Dave, I know, and uh, he skipped all that stuff he skipped all that stuff and, as, um, I was, uh, we're headed up there for his uh birthday party for him on, uh, on saturday this week gonna be a fun time. Uh. I mentioned to ava and I said you know, we're going up to see day for his birthday. She goes how old is he? And I said 60 and she says and he still rides a bike. And I said yep, dave, he's riding that bike and he's looking good, he's looking good.
Speaker 1:It is one of those three-wheeler bikes though.
Speaker 2:No, I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:No, that's cool. So yeah, so man, yeah, the libido, dave. Come on, dave. Yeah, no, dave is all good.
Speaker 1:You know, darrell, he really is an impressive specimen of a human being, because I mean, here's a couple of things that I'm just throwing out. Number one he's a massively successive business owner in Santa Rosa entrepreneur he is. You know, he opens up shop, he closes up shop I mean, he's got people to do that from time to time as well but he's just committed to his craft and just the process, and so he works a lot of hours, his craft and just the process, and so he works a lot of hours. He's involved in men's groups, he's involved in lots of projects where there's service to others, and you wouldn't even know this because he keeps that very private. But we're shouting him out and we're lifting him up on this conversation here. He also spends a lot of quality time with his girlfriend Dahlia. He spends a lot of quality time with his girlfriend Dahlia and his daughter Taylor, and he spends a lot of time with Team Peach and his other Sonoma County boys who ride out that way as well. And he's training for this half marathon. Daryl, all of us will have our. We'll look on Strava and we'll see our run is done, our weightlifting is done, this is done, done. Dave, you know, gets up early, does his work stuff, comes home, goes to his men's group, you know, finishes all that and then you'll see a run or something pop up like a five mile or seven mile run, pop up at seven, eight o'clock at night to get his training in. Um, and he's just so committed man, like, if that's how, if that's what 60 looks like. Man, I want to, I want to, I want to follow his path because he's doing it right. And let's remember man Daryl, he's, you know, he, he.
Speaker 1:Not too long ago he was in a massive motorcycle accident where he had pins coming out of his hip and he was in a fricking hospital. I mean, he lived in a hospital for gosh, what was it? A month or something like that. He was in there for a long time and it was during COVID, so he couldn't get visitors and messed with him mentally, emotionally. I mean he had to go through a lot and to look at him now at 60, how hard he's thriving. And we just talked to him a little while before we got on this podcast and he mentioned he goes, man, I got so much like he was a little stressed he was going to go get some relief and just kind of relax for a couple seconds before he got back at it again tonight and, um, you know it's just amazing, but you know it's not, it's not easy.
Speaker 1:I'm not saying he does this stuff easily. What I'm saying is that even at 60 years old he's still doing this stuff. He gets it done somehow some way. And man, somehow some way. He has this great balanced life where he's always helping out friends or hanging out with friends. He'll go to concerts or he does these little events, or Friday nights he'll meet some buddies at the bar and have a couple of drinks with them and stuff like that. Or meet his girlfriend Dahlia, or they'll go for a hike. So he has I don't know how he does it, man, he is just talk about energy Like he ain't. He ain't dealing with the fatigue thing. That's for damn sure. You know he's not dealing with the fatigue thing. So maybe it was all the years.
Speaker 1:And again this this will apply to one of the topics we talk about tonight later on down the road is longevity. Is Dave started this journey to movement, is medicine, years ago. I mean, he's got several triathlons under his belt, olympic length triathlons under his belt and half triathlons, I think, under his belt as well. And he even signed up and trained for an Ironman. And uh, you know, gosh, just training for an Ironman would be exhausting, you know. But uh, and he's done death ride. He's showed up to death ride three times, I think three times, maybe four, and he's just done some big, big things in his life. And you know, it's if those, if those are clues, man, we got to us younger people, us younger I'm going to be 59 and me, I'm only a year behind him, but I'm going to still say us younger people we need to, you know, pick up them breadcrumbs and look at them clues and follow his lead, man, because he's doing it, man, he's doing it.
Speaker 2:So that's you know. That's what I got for Dave. He's doing it, man, he's doing it. So that's what I got for Dave. He's a funny guy, he.
Speaker 2:I didn't know him very well and so you're you kind of like oh yeah, dave's an athlete, he's got good genes or something you know. Okay, whatever, you know, I didn't get to know him. He is literally the original definition of consistency. Once I got to know him and see the work he does and the work he puts in, like like, he'll literally, like you said, you know, monday night, you know men's group at the church and running afterward um walk in the morning he'll go um over to a friend's house and they'll cut wood. You know what I mean, you know and everything else. He's super, super. He's the definition to me of consistency and the great attitude he has.
Speaker 2:The funny thing we first got to know him we'd be riding up hills and he would never stop talking and we couldn't even get, we couldn't even breathe, basically, and he would, and his friends from Sonoma County used to tell him shut up, dave, you know cause. Dave would talk the whole way up, right in the thing, you know, and they'd be dying and he'd be talking up a storm. And there, and as he got older, you know he's the first one to go in the text thread, you know, send us a scripture or an encouraging thing and everything else. So he's not just like you said, he's very well-rounded and everything else. And, man, I'll tell you what, if that's what 60 looks like, man, I'm looking forward to it. So, um, no, he's, he's, he's great.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we, we love you, dave. Uh, you're a huge part of the team, huge part of the family and, uh, man, you, you make an impact. Whether you know it or not, you are impacting our lives, day in, day out, weekend, week out, month in, month out, year in, year out. And, uh, man, it's just awesome to have you part of the team and just part of our lives. Brother, god bless you and birthday, dave.
Speaker 2:Yeah, happy birthday Dave. And uh, as we kind of think about that, you know, it's like all of a sudden we're getting into the next topic. Um, you know and uh, you know 60, he's 60 years old and, by the way, we're going to go ride, I don't know, 40 to 60 miles in the morning and then go to his birthday party in the afternoon and talk about longevity, right, right, you know, when I was growing up, when I was at O'Keeffe Reholey and my grandparents were there at 60 years old, you were talking about retiring sitting on your porch not working.
Speaker 2:I mean, that's what 60 was, right, you were hoping to get to 62, social security, all that kind of stuff. Get your retirement kicked in. It's a whole different world now. And longevity is a topic that I guarantee we're going to have a couple of episodes on it. I mean, we talk about it a little bit, but I don't think there's two days that go by where somebody I hear it on a podcast, hear it on the social media, or I talk about it with friends, about longevity. It's a very, very topical item.
Speaker 2:I remember a few years ago remember that the first one that the concept of the blue zones Doug. Remember that, yes, zones Doug. Remember that, um and uh, the blue zones, um, the blue zones were pretty cool. Um, in in the fact that, uh, originally basically the short version it was they were going and doing some research around the world, uh, for these blue zones and they basically found approximately five or six places where they had a higher percentage of people that live to a hundred, right, and they would go around and you know you'd always be looking at different places. Remember the place in Greece was really cool. You know, if you kind of look at it, they live eight years longer than Americans. They have half the rate of heart disease. There was one in the biggest one I couldn't believe. Remember the one in uh La, uh La, linda, california, right next to LA, right that community that they had.
Speaker 1:I was blown away that they that they had one in in smoggy town LA.
Speaker 2:I know, and it's this little suburb and it's really about the remember that community right outside of Los Angeles and it was about faith and, and you know, um, there, uh, the Sardinia um one in Italy. It was on the Mediterranean Island and, uh, you know, they had crazy, crazy healthy lifestyles and everything else. And some of the things that they had, if you remember, their traditions and stuff, didn't change from Christ time. They were still drinking wine, but they were making wine like they did when Jesus was there and everything else there. And then I remember the Japan one. The Japan one, I thought was one of the best ones, remember the community of these elderly people that always supported each other. Every one of them would go out. They weren't like lifting weights or anything, they were gardening. They were walking to their friend's house, um, just the community and everything else. So that was really cool. But that's kind of like all around the world, right, yeah, um. And then you kind of go to today's. You know the.
Speaker 2:The most recent Netflix, uh, you know one was about, um, brian Johnson. You remember him. He's the guy that just came out with the Netflix documentary Don't Die right. He's the guy that really wants to basically not die right and he's basically really taking these two extremes. It's a really cool, interesting thing. And then you've got everything down to Peter Attia, and Peter Attia was an MD a doctor still is a doctor, but he basically left kind of the day-to-day medical practice right and it's really focusing on more longer term and what he kind of calls medicine 3.0. With AI and the medical advances we have and so many different things, and longevity is a huge topic that even when I went to my annual physical I talked to my doctor about. So what are your thoughts about longevity and the kind of the changes in a lot of the research and the new things that are coming out?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, I think you know just human nature. I think it's been around for a long time that man has wanted to live longer some way, somehow and you know, due to our own negligence of just, you know environment and polluting ourselves. You know that the lifespan was shorter and shorter, but lately it's been taking a turn and the lifespan has been increasing, and so you know that desire for man to live longer is definitely prevalent in the world. It's very relevant and it's all over and there's so many. Like you mentioned Peter Attia. He's a cool doctor who works with a lot of people who blood work while you're doing your exercises. He gets dialed in deep to what you should be eating, when you should be eating all these things, all for the sake of just longevity. What's going to give you the best benefit overall? Again, in my spiritual opinion, man, we all got a time, we all got a number. It's going to happen when it's happened. So I figure, hey, even if I don't live long, I want to live with the quality of life like I'm going to live long. So I'm going to what is it? Plan for the best or hope for the best, or prepare for the worst and hope for the best kind of a thing.
Speaker 1:I want to mention another scientist, andrew Huberman, or Huberman right? He's a renowned neuroscientist and podcaster. Um, he's a cool cat man. He used to be, uh, when he was young. He used to be a skateboarder. He used to hang around with punk rockers and skateboarders and all. Then he was kind of lost in life, getting into trouble and all this stuff and and one day he was just kind of, uh, like man, what the hell am I going to do with my life anyways, going know, hanging around that crowd and that scene for years. And he got to hang around like some big, big names in skateboard land too. So he got to know some people along the way. But he ended up going to Stanford and becoming a scientist there and a doctor and he's just, he is deep into longevity as well. So he's got a cool podcast.
Speaker 1:I think it's called the Huberman Labs. Check it out, man. It's a cool podcast. He keeps it real, he's like one of a. I could see you and I, daryl, just having a chat with him and talking and he has a real gift. And I think Peter Atiyah does this well, but I think Andrew does it a little bit better, at least for my flavor, my taste. He just takes really technical scientific stuff and breaks it down so that a person like myself you know, I don't have college degrees and all that stuff but when he breaks it down I'm like, ah, I get that and I can do that, and so he makes it fun, he makes it interesting and makes it very simple.
Speaker 1:Both Peter Attia and Andrew Huberman though I'm just going to warn you, when you get on their podcasts they're like two and three-hour podcasts, man. So I'm usually listening to them when I'm driving from here to Healdsburg or the Bay Area for them long road trips or if I'm going to do a super long run, I'll put them in my ears once in a while. But yeah, there are so many. I think there's a lot more doctors out there that have just kind of taken on this approach of longevity and just kind of saying, hey, I'm not going to do the traditional doctor-client kind of thing, I am going to do research, I'm going to partner with other scientists who are researching in this field, gather data and let's use it to help people live better, longer, more healthy lives, and so I appreciate all them scientists who are taking that leap of faith and doing the work and I think they're thriving in that area, man, I think they're thriving a lot.
Speaker 1:Talking about, you know, cold plunging and red light therapy and and avocados and nutrition. You know everything, man. They're just they're. They're taking deep, deep dives into all this stuff that we have, that the basic person, that the lay person has, uh, you know, simple questions on like, should I use sunscreen? Should I use it? Should I, should I not use it? Sunscreen and sting like this and what it does to in in comparison to longevity and all that stuff. So, yeah, I love that topic, daryl, and it's something like I said, we are going to be diving deeper into that.
Speaker 1:I had mentioned my we. I know we talked about Dave, but I had mentioned my friend Ted Ania as well. Uh, 67 years old and man, he is doing 150 pushups a day. He's going to do 5 million steps by the end of the year. He's on track, on course. He does planks, does all kinds of stuff, man, and he's in the zone now. It's not even if he's going to do it, it's just second nature to him. He's been doing it for so long now I think he started towards the latter part of September. He's been doing it for so long now. I think he started towards the latter part of September, but he's just elevated his goals and it's January 1st for this year anyways, but he was doing it long before that for the sake of longevity and man.
Speaker 1:I got to tell you, daryl, when I was working deep in health with myself, one of the things I read if you're an unhealthy person and you decide to get nutritionally better and start taking care of yourself, it takes your body about three months of consistency three months of consistency to get back to healthy Now. You may not have lost a ton of weight by then, you may not have cured anything in your body by then, but you're going to get back to being a healthy base again at anything in your body by then, but you're going to get back to being a healthy base again. And then the next phase after that is after three. If you're consistent for three years, then you almost reset your entire biological system, as it like. Let's say you were a smoker, or let's say you ate junk food all the time. Or let's say you had you know whatever your vice was, or you drank a ton of alcohol, but after three years your body almost resets to a point of like you didn't do those damn things.
Speaker 1:And when I read that I was like man, that is fascinating. I mean, that's just really fascinating. So I've been doing some deep dives in that area to really kind of fact check and validate and move closer into that because that's exciting. I mean three. You know, daryl, you know as well as I know that three years doesn't sound like much, but when you're actually doing the work, man, three years feels like an eternity.
Speaker 1:Man of three years of consistent work, doing nutrition, and again consistent. I think too many people get consistency confused with perfection. Like man, it doesn't matter if you slip up here and there, just get your ass back on the horse and keep going in that three-year period and first and foremost, let's get there first three months so you can get that baseline back to where it needs to be and you'll be feeling amazing, amazing in just three months and that's going to help you carry into that three years and kind of get you to that reset. So that's that's where I'm at with longevity, bro. That's all I got top of my head, anyways. What else we got, daryl, I'm going to hit one thing.
Speaker 2:You know, my doctor did tell me he actually recommended Peter Atiyah's book. It's called Outlive. It's a very, very good book. It's kind of the gold standard kind of overall for the current thinking. And I just want to highlight one thing.
Speaker 2:They talk about this concept of medicine 3.0. And if you think about it, we're kind of in medicine 2.0, doug, and medicine 2.0 is something happens, right, you get a diagnosis and then they look to treat it. Yes, right, that's what we're currently in today. Medicine 3.0 really is the new thought process and it really places a greater emphasis on prevention rather than treatment. That's kind of the first thing. The second, it considers the patient as more of AI and stuff. Your genes or your makeup is different than mine, how you probably need to be treated, and that definitely has a big AI component.
Speaker 2:The third one which I thought was really interesting is it really takes an honest assessment about the acceptance of risk. Um, the acceptance of risk, right, doug, do you? I don't know if you know. Do you know what the, the, um, the doctor's credo or the doctor's code is? No, I don't. Medical school, um, the, the number one is do no harm to a patient, right, you know, overall you're not supposed to, when you treat, you're not supposed to do harm and some of the things in research of longevity and stuff. They've got to take risks and see they don't you know, if you didn't do any harm you might not be able to extend your life. So they're actually trying and that's where I think this, brian Johnson. They're trying a whole bunch of new, different things.
Speaker 2:And then the fourth one, which is kind of the new shift in the 3.0 medicine, is exactly what it's focusing on lifespan. Pretty much everything we do now is about death rate. How do you push off when you're going to die, mortality. We'd like to focus more in our lives. Which we're trying to go do is health, health span how many years do you have where you're actually physically healthy? So it's a cool subject. I think it's really good. And I'll leave you with one last thing. They had a thing out there. They talk about the most valuable organs. What are the most important organs in the human body? So what do you think? The first one is Pretty straightforward your heart, heart.
Speaker 2:It's got to be your heart. You ain't pumping, you're not doing it. Number two. You should get number two your brain.
Speaker 1:Your lungs. I was going to say lungs, but then I went with brain I don't know, I know. So they did that.
Speaker 2:So it's number you got to have. You got to have. You got to have the, the, the, the blood flowing. You got to be able to breathe. Yeah, the third one, which is, uh, the one, uh, they have the third most important. What is it? Just tell me what it is. They're thighs, your thighs, your thighs. Really, Because, number one, it helps your mobility. Right, If your legs, if your thighs, your muscles, your organs and everything else, your thighs are one of the largest right, it affects your mobility. If your thighs go out, guess what? You have reduced mobility, which leads to chronic disease. We always haven't had cars. If you can't be mobile, you can't go see your friends, you can't go do things. You have community. So you think about that. You got your heart, your lungs and your thighs, Wow. And if you can't have movement, Doug, I mean you literally deteriorate and die.
Speaker 1:That's true. Wow, yeah, I didn't think about that.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so when you think about a lot of this stuff, you know, like you say, if you want to get old, what do you do? Don't fall right or don't go trail running, one of the two. But yeah, longevity is really cool and a lot of good studies and definitely, as I get through with Outlive, I think we'll definitely have and we'll try and find some research things on there, but it's a really cool subject.
Speaker 1:Yeah, All right, Doug, yeah, well, I just want to add that the longevity, you know it's living long. You really got to get crystal clear and be a little more specific, Like you got to tell yourself I want to live long, but I want to be able to be independent. I want to be able to be independent, I want to be able to move freely, I want to be able to put my own luggage up in the carryover bin when I'm traveling on a plane and travel independently and carry at least, you know, 50 to 75 pounds when I'm 80 to 90 to 100 years old, Because you know they're moving that longevity date. You know, I think a lot more people are going to be living closer to 120, but, man, if you can't move and you're a hundred years old, then you know.
Speaker 1:For me personally, I don't know, man, you know. So, uh, yeah, yeah, I just wanted to add that that two cents. Man, when you're thinking about longevity and you're, if you desire that, get specific about your goals and what things need to happen so that you have a the quality of life while you age as well. Go ahead, Daryl, where are you going to move us into next?
Speaker 2:Well, one last fact. Check real quick. Um so females outnumber males as far as centurions is reaching a hundred by four to one right, yeah, yeah, they, they, they take a lot of us out during these Dateline episodes there is.
Speaker 1:Uh, they're plotting man. Come on, women, Don't be plotting against us.
Speaker 2:So while we're still here, doug and we have ours. We've really focused on community, yes, uh. So as we kind of formed team peach and we did a little bit more things, I said you know, doug's, like you know, I read this book. I read this book, all this stuff. It's like we should get together. Doug's like, hey, we should get there One time. I mean like at a, like a men's book club right. Typical Doug. He's got some cool ideas and I had to poke him.
Speaker 1:It was like Doug, when are? And we talk about them and the desire to start a book club. And then months went by and Daryl's like, man, just start the damn book club, call so-and-so and make it happen, put a text together and I'm like, all right, but it's been, daryrell, can you believe? It's been over two years, just over two years, and we have a cool book club that's been going on and we've gone through, I think, five books by now. Correct, you know, what's cool about our book club is that we're not on any time constraint, we're not tripping about how long a book's going to take us, because I think the guys that are in this particular club right now realize that this is not about getting to a finish line. This is about something that we get to be a part of for the rest of our lives. And we've settled into that so much that our most recent conversation, daryl, was about hey, what would? Because most of our books were like self-development, just about mental, emotional, physical. Because most of our books were like self-development, you know, just about mental, emotional, physical, all kinds of stuff. And I'll review some of the books that we went, that we started off with and where we've kind of finished off with. But we're changing that, that we're going to change the format a little bit of what types of books and just kind of explore and have fun as a group to see you know what, what, uh, what comes of it.
Speaker 1:But, um, I think our our last uh book club. Uh, paul mentioned hey, he's like you know what we've been meeting all this time and you know, I know you guys, but I don't know, you guys know, you guys know you guys, you know in a deep sense. And so he threw out a challenge to all of us to kind of let's show up for one of our book club meetings, you know, without a book, and just every, every uh, once a month, we'll, uh, we're going to, someone's going to be in the hot seat, I guess you can call it, and the rest of the group is going to ask questions, you know, personal questions or or intimate questions about the person, about what they want to know, and just uh kind of get to know each other a little bit more. So I'm excited about that process and that's right along.
Speaker 1:You were talking about community, right? This is a huge foundational thing as far as longevity goes, man is having that kind of community around you where you have these people around you that just know a little bit more than the average person. And those discussions and those topics, man, they lead into beautiful things long-term, long-term. So I remember, darrell, when we started off. I think we started off with the Power of One More. That was a book by Ed Milet the Power of One More, and that was an odd—do you remember that book?
Speaker 2:I loved it and it really hit me home. For me, and I think you remember, my dad passed away. It'll be three years in July. I read a bit of a passage, um uh, that's right. Yeah, yeah and uh, that was a really really good one. Uh, that was awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and then we read, uh, manly man. I forget who the author was, but it was a cool. It was a cool book. It kind of challenged us a little bit and brought a lot of different dialogue out of the group. The group was still kind of fresh and new and we're like, well, what is this manly man book, Doug? But we read it and it had some great core values and just good things. Do you remember that one at all, Daryl?
Speaker 2:I do, I do.
Speaker 1:It was from Stephan Mansfield, oh yeah, good man in Mansfield, oh yeah, yeah, you're a good man.
Speaker 2:It was a little like you know, like okay, you know we're reading a book about manly men, like oh, what are we getting into? But it actually was really good. It was really good, it was awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it referred to some historical figures that did some really cool shit back in the day and just a lot of cool stuff to look at. And I think from there we switched over to the Gap and the Gain. The Gap and the Gain that was a big shift for us. That was a cool, brought a lot of movement. I think John had read it beforehand but it was a good revisit for him and I had actually read it beforehand, even before suggesting I just thought it would be cool for the book club. But what did you? What can, what? Do you remember pulling out of that one?
Speaker 2:Daryl man, they would give examples about the same situation, right, and your little mindset would go to negative or go to positive, and it was so the difference in between those two and the other one. If you remember, one of the stories in there was an Olympic athlete that kept going and failing to win a gold medal. Right, and the moment he almost relaxed, changed his mindset. He won, yes, and, and so it really just talked about. So many times in life you show up for something and the difference between feeling bad or feeling good is the smallest little thing and it's always in your mind yeah and, uh, it was really a cool book.
Speaker 2:I really liked it I loved it.
Speaker 1:You know, the gap in the game reminds me of what tony robbins taught me a long time ago of's either happening. You're in your mindset life's either happening to you or it's happening for you. And when you referred to that Olympian I think it was his last race, yes, and he said this was his last chance of doing anything and he stopped caring about it. He said you know what? I'm just going to go out and have fun. I'm just going to run because I love running. And he, freaking, ends up winning and crushing it. And it's like that's the missing piece, because the rest of the time he was living in the gap right when life is happening to him, it wasn't happening for him, and so he got back into alignment with who he was and what he enjoyed, and crushed it.
Speaker 1:Then we moved into probably your favorite book. I know it was one of my. I remember when I was reading it, before I introduced it to the book club, I was like, oh man, this shit is Daryl's got to. You know he's going to really connect with this. And sure enough, man, you know what book I'm talking about Daryl Comfort Crisis, yeah, comfort Crisis, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was an amazing.
Speaker 2:What was one of your biggest takeaways from that book? Just the concept of how comfort and these things in our life are probably in some cases awesome, but also making us a little bit more weak and unhappy. It's a really odd situation. I'm more comfortable, but probably it's actually doing harm to who. I am Right and the concept of you as humans. You need discomfort yes, Right To grow, and that's such a kind of interesting motto and the way he broke it down from his personal experience to science I thought was awesome.
Speaker 2:So, he would kind of explain, like some out back in Alaska, and then he would relate it to science principles. So I thought it was a great, great storytelling plus um, plus, some good research.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what was? Do you remember the name of the author? Um, michael Easter, michael Easterter, yeah, so definitely a great book to check out, michael easter. Um, comfort, the comfort crisis. And then, after, uh, all those personal development, self-help kind of books, uh, returned to kind of I had been recommending the books up to this point and was kind of encouraging others to recommend. And and then john Crosby JC he recommended a book that kind of took us to a whole nother level, man, and brought out a whole bunch of different emotions. And it's a very popular book.
Speaker 1:This book's been around for years and it's had a lot of notoriety from celebrities and other people in the past. But it's Viktor Frankl's Man's Search for Meaning, man's Search for Meaning. And I got to tell you, man, it was in the beginning of that book. It really set the tone and you're like what the hell were these people going through? And I used the word hell because they were in hell. Man, it was brutal. It was just depressing and brutal, but it was also eye-opening.
Speaker 1:And I'm going to read just a couple little things from some of the beginning chapters here. One quote he wrote that you and I and I think the whole group really appreciated was he who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how. I'm going to read that again. He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how. And as you read this book you get a little more clear on what he means about that. And again I'm going to read one more little, small little paragraph. It's just really connected to that sentence.
Speaker 1:He says we had to learn ourselves and furthermore, we had to teach the despairing men that it did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life and instead to think of ourselves as those who are being questioned by life daily and hourly. Our answers must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answers to its problems and to fulfill the task which is constantly sets for each individual. So I mean we've got some really deep stuff out of this book, like those paragraphs. But, daryl, I remember getting a text from you to the group saying what the hell?
Speaker 2:I forget exactly what you said Well, I'd heard about the book, but that's basically two thirds of the book is basically him writing about. It's the, the. The chapter is called Experience of a Concentration Camp. Yeah, and two thirds of the book he's walking you through what it things I had heard in the movies, I had seen reading it. From this I was just absolutely in just shock and horror. Yeah, right, um, one of the things I still think about this almost every couple days. Only one out of every 28 people that went into the concentration camp came out alive Doug, wow, and he walked you through that. And then the last third he talked about the lessons and the psychology in what he learned. And that last third of the book we literally I remember Paul texting and it got so deep and so meaningful you almost had to reread the pages to understand it right and he came out and wrote this book and also taught a whole different point of view, right, of how they look at psychotherapy and different things and the meaning for life.
Speaker 2:And one of the things that your quote, that you said is you better have a strong why you think about what they went through. If you didn't have a firm conviction of that, why, right, you were pretty much going to die. I mean, he's kind of went through a lot of different analogies of that and everything else. Um and so um is really really cool book and I'll tell you what. It got pretty deep and pretty surreal at the end, kind of understanding what he came through and the lessons he learned. And, doug, this book was written what like 70 years ago, right?
Speaker 2:And it still has a huge, huge impact today. So it was really cool and I'm glad we read it. I was a little at the first part. It was pretty dark and deep, but you really took some key lessons.
Speaker 1:Yes, it was cool, this book and the last book, comfort Crisis. I've been doing a lot of work on suffering and just how suffering is part of life and it's a key part of life. It's a necessary part of life and if you really take time to understand and embrace suffering man, it's a magical process. It really is, and but the word itself can be scary, like nobody wants to suffer. But when you start realizing that that's where you find all your joy, all your blessings, is on the other side of suffering, then you kind of do want to start setting up, and that's set up some times of suffering, intentional suffering, or if something comes along that wasn't intentional, you can look at it as like hey, okay, I'm in the classroom right now, man, this is a time for learning right now. And then the suffering doesn't feel as bad as it could be. But, yeah, definitely some suffering going on in there, man.
Speaker 2:I love our book club.
Speaker 2:I do, and the funny part is, by the way, we only do this book club at 6.30 am on a Friday and we show up every time and I remember at the beginning our wives and a few other people would be like what do you talk about at the book club? And we'd say it's like fight club. There is no fight club. We're not talking about you guys, so don't worry about it and everything else there. And we got some great stories. Paul has definitely grown up and we got some great stories. Paul. Paul has definitely grown up. Paul's got all sophisticated. He actually wears a shirt now before he'd show up.
Speaker 1:Remember those beginning days, all shirtless like Paul what's up, man?
Speaker 2:And on Zoom now he puts a different name every week on Zoom and everything else. But two years it's been really good. I'm looking here, I'm looking at the Blue Zone thing, japan, their number one reason they thought that they did really well and live longer was because they had such a good community of these ladies. And I think about our book club and I'm like, yeah, we're not out gardening four hours a day hand in the dirt, but every Friday we're together with our book club and it uh, it's a good community, is awesome.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is, it is and it's exciting to think about. You know what what might involve evolve into down the road as we get older and we kind of look at a little more settled down and and we do get old, like Dave, yeah, exactly when we get that big six. So going man. But, uh, and you know, what's cool about the book club is that, you know, we, we tend to, we, we do, we have gotten together before as a group in person. It's not all just zoom. But uh, I think those times will increase as the weather gets better, and so, you know, looking forward to that. But, daryl, let's move on. I don't know if, uh, oh yeah, I got one I got one.
Speaker 1:We're a little, we're a little long in the podcast, so we're gonna keep it night. Oh yeah, I got one. I got one. It's my turn. It's quote card time, man, okay.
Speaker 2:We're a little long in the podcast, so we're going to keep it nice and cheery and short. One of my favorite quotes and I think you know who this is from the surest way to be happy is to seek happiness in others. Martin Luther King. The surest way to be happy is to seek happiness in others. Martin Luther King. The surest way to be happy is to seek happiness in others.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that you know. That really doesn't need a lot of explaining. It is, uh, that's just follow what Martin Luther King says, man and uh, that is the definitely the surest way. Some of the happiest people I know in this world are people who are in massive service to other people. Whether it's small things, big things, the occasional things, you know, there's a sense of joy that just illuminates around their soul and I love being around them. So, great quote, man, great quote. I love it, daryl.
Speaker 1:So, with that said, man, we're going to just lock this down and close it down and get ready to celebrate Dave's 60, 60th birthday. We're going to head down to, uh, santa rosa, sonoma county, tomorrow afternoon, get it done, get the boys. Team peach will be back in the house together again and we'll be joined with sonoma county the soco boys as well, and then, uh, there'll be about 30 or so people at d Dave's house afterwards just letting the libations flow, the conversations and the jokes flow and the love flow. So, with that said, we're going to sign out like we always do and say God bless and peace out, peace out, we're out. Outro Music.