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S3EP05: When Your Body Says Stop, But Your Mind Won't Quit
"The pain of recovery is often greater than the pain of the injury, but the healing is worth it."
We've all been there - that moment when your carefully constructed fitness routine gets derailed by an unexpected injury or life event. What happens next defines your journey.
This episode dives deep into the challenging territory of navigating setbacks on your health journey. Doug shares his candid experience of how a five-day family trip to support relatives during a loss stretched into a 16-day adventure, completely disrupting his nutrition and exercise routines. Meanwhile, Daryl reflects on his own history with injuries and how maintaining consistency through difficult periods eventually led to breakthrough moments.
But this isn't just about sharing war stories. We unpack practical strategies for converting these obstacles into stepping stones, including focusing on what you can control when sidelined, maintaining your identity as a healthy person even when limited, and using recovery periods to deepen your knowledge and connection with your community. The inspiring story of Josephine signing up for her first half marathon while currently unable to run demonstrates how forward-thinking can transform recovery periods from frustrating pauses to productive transitions.
Whether you're dealing with a rolled ankle, recovering from surgery, or just struggling to maintain momentum when life gets chaotic, this episode offers both the gentle encouragement and practical techniques needed to keep moving forward. We explore the role of strength training as "injury insurance," the importance of proper form (while acknowledging nobody has Usain Bolt's exact biomechanics), and why patience might be your most valuable fitness tool.
Ready to transform your setbacks into the foundation for your greatest comeback? Hit play, and let's build resilience together. And remember - #StayVertical.
Hey, hey, hey, welcome to the Peach Podcast. Just a couple of dudes and an occasional guest breaking open topics from everyday life on purpose, energy, attitude, commitment and health. So, if you're ready, listen in as we live, to learn from our losses, gain from our gratitude and laugh as we level up.
Speaker 2:Always remember if you ever feel stuck. All you got to do, daryl, we are happy to have you. If you are a first-time listener, welcome to the show, welcome to the show. Man, if you want to know what PEACH stands for, it's actually an acronym the P-E-A-C-H. It all stands for in episode one. You'll find out. So go hit that button and listen to it. Listen, listen, listen. It's a. It's a great acronym. There's a great story behind it, it's a great message and we are glad to have you here.
Speaker 2:But if you are here for the first time, second time, a hundred time, whatever time it is, man, that just tells me that you are somebody who's into health, wellness, moving forward, keeping it real. Because we're just a couple of dudes. Man, daryl and I are just a couple of regular dudes trying to do things consistently, and it's crazy how some of the little, littlest stuff we've done turns into extraordinary things, extraordinary events, extraordinary moments and experiences, things that we get to keep and capture and share and live with those awesome memories. So, welcome to the show, welcome to Peach Podcast man.
Speaker 3:Hey, doug, doug, hold on, hold on. Yes, sir, where are you? I have not seen you in like two weeks. I like put out like a Wells what Waldo.
Speaker 1:Waldo.
Speaker 3:I'm thinking of bringing back the milk cartons. Doug, where are you at?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's a great question, daryl. You, that's a great question, daryl. You know my dad's best friend, billy, lives in Tempe, arizona. His wife just passed away and so we were. The funeral was supposed to be last week. Him and my dad and I decided we were going to just make it a road trip come down a couple days early, stay with Billy for about a day, go to the viewing and then the funeral the next day and then drive home. It was going to be like a five day whole kind of trip.
Speaker 2:I am on day 11, Daryl, day 11 of what was meant to be a five day trip. I'm grateful. It's great to be here with the family, be in support, giving lots of hugs, lots of love, running some errands, doing what we can to support. But yeah, I'm down in Arizona day 11, and I think I have five more days to go. Everything's going to start happening tomorrow, thursday, and then driving off to Long Beach to go see my wonderful niece, your daughter Alyssa, who is graduating. Why is she, daryl? Can I ask you a question? Why is she? Didn't she go to? Doesn't she go to school at Sac State?
Speaker 3:She got her degree her undergraduate degree, at Sac State and then she's getting her MBA at University of Massachusetts. It's an online program and they actually have a satellite down in Long Beach, so we're headed down there.
Speaker 3:Oh, university of Massachusetts, long Beach, yeah, yeah, so a lot of these online programs have satellites and if you want to, you can get together. So she's going to go down there and walk. It's amazing. It doesn't seem that long ago we were going to her Sac State graduation Right and two years later she's getting her master's, she's in the interview process. She already has a job. They do associate programs where they actually, at the end of actually about the last year, she's been doing work experience for her MBA and her master's program as well, and now she's like full-time interviewing. So, man, she's just growing up. We couldn't be more proud. I think we got about 12 people that are going to go down there. You and your dad are going to meet us there from Arizona, and then we've got people coming down from uh here, some people from Southern California. So I can't wait to see you for her graduation on Saturday. So we're super proud.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that girl is a hustler. She's just like you and her mom man, you guys, you all. I can't imagine what it was like when you were all three in the same house. She's got her own place now, but that was a lot of energy man.
Speaker 3:Yeah, we're so, we're, we're, we're so excited and it's just. You know you always hope that your children are going to do really good. And the good part about Alyssa you know you always have kids and you worry about things. I never worried about her ambition or, like you said, she's a hustler, right. As you know very well, being her uncle Going through college. We used to joke do you have two or three jobs At the same time? You're going to college and getting your MBA. She's always a hard worker and it's really paying off.
Speaker 2:Yeah, really proud of her and can't wait to. I'll be seeing you, man, it's like you said. It's been at least a couple of weeks since you're real. I think you're a real person, daryl. I'll find out when I get there on Friday. You guys are showing up Thursday, right?
Speaker 3:Thursday we're driving down Thursday. We've got a little crew that we're doing a little caravan from Sacramento. We'll be coming down there with Jamie, tony and some other people. Oh good.
Speaker 2:T house, nice, bring some cardboard man. I want to see him break dance, and you know what he's a great person. Um, to kind of segue into what this, this episode's going to be about, you know the whole season is setbacks to comebacks, but we're today, we're going to talk about injuries, we're going to talk about mindset, how we deal with those things, how we, how we are learning when we are dealing with them inappropriately, and all those things. But Tony, I mean, you know he signed up to do a um, a 10 K race, back in March and man got injured and and man, he's dealing with it. I think he's having surgery on the 22nd of May, I believe.
Speaker 2:Actually, I've connected with him, uh, maybe a week or two ago, and just said hey, let's focus on, you know, getting healthy. Let's drop 10 more pounds, man, because when you're having surgery, man, if you can lose a little weight, a little body fat, it just helps with circulation and reduced inflammation. All those things are huge components to better and more thorough recovery. So he's on it, man, him and I have been texting back and forth a little bit here and there and, tone, if you're listening, man, we got you, brother, we got you. We want to make sure you get this done well and done right, because we know you're coming back. We know you are coming back, but speaking of injuries, daryl, I know you've had some injuries over the past years. What are some of the things you've dealt with in the past?
Speaker 3:Well, I think there's been a few things. I I should say I'm incredibly, incredibly fortunate. You know, um, I never have had a major debilitating injury. Um, I was one of those kids that you know if I, if I didn't have a rolled ankle. You know, once, once a month, when I was playing basketball or through college, um and uh, that was kind of normal. And you see, it's amazing. You see, the NBA players sometimes they roll their ankles, they get up, they just tighten them up. You know, tighten them up really good, you continue to play and you hope it's not there. So I didn't have too many. I continued to roll my, uh, my ankles and I had what happens over time with your ankles, kind of the tendons get loose on both sides and you have a tendency to not have a strong of ankles and you can continue to do that. Uh, and I was pretty healthy.
Speaker 3:And then, as I got a little older, in my 40s or late 30s, early 40s, I was having a little bit of trouble with my knee and a lot of that was just on the lateral movement. I went and did get an MRI. I had a slight meniscus tear and some arthritis. I think I've told this story before. After I went to the doctor and the MRI and everything else, they sat me down and they said what does Michael Jordan do you remember at the end of his career on the bench, and I would say, well, he would ice his knees and they're like, yeah, and they said you're just an old Michael Jordan, you have no major things, you're just getting old. Basically the short version.
Speaker 1:All I heard was they called me Michael Jordan, that's all I remember You're like okay, give me the, give me the ice, coach Give me the ice, give me the ice, but, um, not too much.
Speaker 3:Um, I have had to um, modify things with my knee a little bit. Um, I get it, um, I get it drained, maybe once a year. I haven't had to do that for a couple of years now and I started cycling, uh, as a way to kind of strengthen it. So just a little aches and pains but, knock on wood, nothing major. But, doug, let's talk about your injuries. But you know, what we talked about is, injuries are definitely things that can derail a health journey, but also there's other things, right, life. We talked about it ahead of time.
Speaker 3:Like you did not know, you were going to be down for 14, 15 days. Talk about when life comes up and kind of can kind of derail your health journey as well.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know, that's a great, that's a great point and a great question, daryl, because I got to tell you, I consider myself someone who's pretty dialed in with nutrition, who's pretty dialed in with my exercise routine, and I packed my running shoes, I packed gym stuff. Although I can't work out and lift any weights on my upper body right now because I'm dealing with a shoulder injury, I still do legs man, me and leg day man. We have a commitment and a standing weekly commitment to just get together and get it done and I show up. So, you know, found a gym down here and it's been hitting leg day. But I tell you what man I got to just say, darrell, I'm a fucking human being, bro, because you come down and you're with family and and you know, obviously the family is mourning, you know they just lost uh, my cousins lost their mom, my dad's best friend lost his wife, um, and we, we all know each other, for, you know, we, although they live in Arizona, we're, we're all really pretty close.
Speaker 2:I found myself in the moment of just my focus wasn't on my typical day in and day out routine, it was more on who can I be there for, how can I be there for them. You know how can I listen, how can I show up in a way that is loving, caring and supportive? You know, daryl, you know me, that's one of my biggest go-tos is how can I support others? Man, I just want to encourage, support, love on. And I found myself getting into that role, so much so to the point where, man, I was neglecting my nutrition. Like we would sit down and have these big dinners, have a few beers, all these things going on, and this is stuff that I'm, you know, and these dinners are big, you know, and big portions, and you know they're, they're Greek family. So it's like, man, we, we've been tearing it up, bro, and uh, and, and you know, there's some laughter and there's some tears and there's all this stuff going on and uh.
Speaker 2:But I was so focused on being present in that compartment, in that, in that uh state right there, that you know I found myself, oh gosh, I didn't. I'm eating way too much, you know I'm not. Uh, I didn't really get into my running and exercising right away. I think I got into it a couple of days later, but it was painful, bro, because I'm just, like you know, just feeling bloated, and so you know how it is when you eat clean all the time and then all of a sudden you have you know it doesn't even need to be junk food, it just has to be a lot of food and all of a sudden you have these extra carbs, man, carbohydrates the. The word hydrate means it's hydrating you. That's why it's called carbohydrate. There's actual fluid in it. In carbohydrates, that makes you all puffy and swelled up.
Speaker 2:And so I was having a lot of carbohydrates, man, and I found myself really kind of going down this spiral nutritionally and just going oh my gosh. And then I even started loudly and verbally just stating it when I would go to one daughter's house or the other daughter's house or the son's house and, like man hanging out with you guys, I think I gained 10 pounds in four days. Like I got to. I got to knock this like I'm saying it out loud and yet I'm still putting the food in my mouth, man. And so I share. I think it's important for me to share that because I want people to know that you and I are two just regular dudes man just trying to get this right.
Speaker 2:And so I did learn eventually over this last 11 days. You know, eventually it kicked in, man, and I'm like, okay, I may not have control of who's what they're cooking, you know, but I do have control of the portion size. I do have control of having, you know, four bears as opposed to a glass of water. I do have control over these. You know certain things. And so I started focusing on what I can do, you know, on what, what I had control over.
Speaker 2:And, man, it was hard to make that switch, daryl, but that's, you're right, it's like sometimes life throws a monkey wrench. Like I said, it was supposed to be a five day thing. I packed enough stuff for five days and then I was, you know, going to get back into my workout routine back at home and just boom, boom, boom, boom and do a few things here while I was here. But, man, I didn't realize it was. You know, like I said, I'm on day 11. Um, but I've been cranking it out, I've been getting some big runs in and dialing in my nutrition and feeling good, bro, feeling really good.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think that's great. I definitely it was kind of. You know, life happens, you know, definitely, billy and Billy Sr, billy Jr, the whole family down there. Our prayers are with them, but awesome that you and your dad are able to be down there and supporting them. That's real life, I know, doug.
Speaker 3:You know, when I travel, one of my big things is I try to go to the same hotels and the same things, just getting thrown off your routine. That's tough, yeah, right, that's tough, Right, so so, yeah, you know. The other thing, definitely, that we're going to talk about here you mentioned it is what are some of the big concerns that can derail your health journey, one of the things that just scares me. Every once in a while I'll be talking to somebody, you know, this happens a friend, um, a guy or a lady. They say I used to run or I used to do that, um, I used to do triathlons, I used to bike, uh, but my knee, my back, and sometimes it can take you out for a week, you know, or a month, or sometimes it just derails people in general, right, they, you know, and it happens, it's, you know, you, you give up on it, you, you rest, and then you don't get back to it.
Speaker 3:And then you know, talking to a few people, they were like yeah, my bike got this great triathlon bike. I got to get it down. I said, oh great, you know when did you do triathlons? Or like right before COVID, and you start to look at, that's real life, that can happen all the time.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and the other thing that makes me nervous is in general, to be, you know is is injury and also accidents. Right, you know, we've got what have it. There's five of us in team peach six actually now and you know two, two people had some pretty serious psychos.
Speaker 2:Major, major major, dave, dave, dave the fixer. He got hit by a car and ended up with pins in his hips and man that was messed up. He was in the hospital. I was in Hawaii no, I was in Mexico and got a call and I was freaking out man. And then, and then, jr Right, yeah, man Three spoke.
Speaker 3:Yep Three spoke. And then this year you were um riding in a downhill and, you know, ended up getting a concussion and a few other things you're dealing with. So you know when I look at it, you know the reality is, um, I do try to be as safe as I can. Um, you know you ride with others not pushing it too much on the downhills, being observant. I think a lot of us have really stopped. I do it both on both biking and running. I don't wear the earbuds that are in my ears now. I wear the kind of the bone things on the outside.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I got too now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and sometimes, doug, we don't even put anything in, we don't listen, right, right, right. You know, the reality is it's not worth it. You know, especially with cars and injury's tough, right, injuries tough. And, doug, I hate to say, guess what? Um? You know we're let's keep it real, at our age, something always hurts right.
Speaker 2:Oh, it hurts getting out of bed. They're like I open my eyelids and they're hurting.
Speaker 3:I'm just kidding the one thing. And you, you told me a lot about this, right, when I started running. Um, I always feel like your body talks to you. Right're running, uh, that first one one to two miles. Your body's like yep, my knees there, yep, my foot just told me I'm 54 years old. Oh, my back just told me this. And, um, it takes a little bit longer right to warm up.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what, daryl? Maybe your body talks to you, but my body is screaming at me, saying you idiot.
Speaker 1:I told you yesterday this shit's going to hurt. Why are you here again?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm just playing. We've got some funny jokes. I'll let you talk about it. David Vigil, the fixer, is always famous for when he takes a break, he's a talker, he's a social guy, and we'll take a 10-minute break after maybe two hours of writing that. If you leave it to David Vigil, he'll talk to everybody at the store, somebody walking by, everything else, and it's a 30 minute and, uh, we get mad at him because, just like taking a break on a bike and actually getting back on the first 10 to 15 minutes hurts and uh, well to your point.
Speaker 2:You know, it's like when we, when you get injured, you know, and especially at our age, it's hard. Like you were talking about people who said I used to run or I used to ride or whatever. And you know, in the back of their head most of them want to reconnect with that part of their life. But, man, daryl, isn't it hard to start up after you've taken time off? And it's just like when we're cycling, when we're with Dave DeFixer. Right, it was so funny.
Speaker 2:I was riding with him a few weeks ago, maybe about a month ago, with Mike Mike Desmond, out in Sonoma County area and we pulled up at a stop and it was the first time we rode with Mike and I don't think Dave has even rode with Mike. So Dave and I rode with Mike and it was a great ride. We had an amazing time. But we pulled up to. We had one stop at one store and Mike gets off his bike, he goes. Okay, I'll stop, dave, but this ain't going to be one of your 45 minute stops. I was cracking up, man, and Dave's like all right, all right, it won't. So it was cool, we got our killer cinnamon bun or something. It wasn't at our usual spot, but this one was pretty damn good man, I think.
Speaker 2:I think, Dave said it was even better, but anyways, moving on. Starting up again is hard, bro.
Speaker 3:It's really hard, Eric. Not this year. The year before, consciously we went hard and he consciously took off. He said kind of midway through October until January and I'm not talking took off where he didn't do anything. But no, he didn't really run, didn't do a lot of things. He kind of said I'm going to let my body heal and everything. So he took I don't know, um eight to eight to 11 weeks. He says he will never, ever do that again. He said it was the absolute worst feeling he ever had in his life and, um, not that he might need to, you know, tone it down or everything else, and he just wants to keep it rolling. But when you do have injuries and we're going to talk about some things that you might be able to do as far as injury prevention there's some amazing things. Hey, doug, how do you handle them? When you have an injury that you've got to deal with, what are some things that you could give some advice or things that you use in your life?
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a great question, Darrell, and I kind of mentioned it earlier when I found myself stuck on, just like going down this nutrition hellhole while I'm here in Arizona. You know, just waking up and realizing, becoming aware, like, okay, what can I focus on? You know, what can I control? And you know, for me I'm dealing with a foot injury and a shoulder injury. So one of the things on my foot injury is I'm able to run. But I realized that I, you know I, when I try to run past a certain amount of hours, like an hour and a half to two hours my foot starts getting really inflamed and swollen and painful. So I'm playing around right now and I think I'm finding a sweet spot.
Speaker 2:I don't know how long it's going to take for that to go away completely and, to be honest with you, darrell, I don't know if it's ever going to go away. I've been to the pediatrician a couple of times. They've taken MRIs and there's this little disease in there. I don't know what it is. It doesn't sound like anything too serious, but it's limiting me. So I'm doing the research. So, moving in on that, you know, sometimes if you're a runner, maybe you walk instead of run, you know, and so I find myself sometimes on long, long runs that I want to do but maybe aren't able to do, where I never used to walk before. Now I'll walk a segment of the run, you know, of the half marathon or whatever it's going to be. I'll walk pieces of it. But before that was hard man, my mind was saying you better not walk, you little wuss, keep running, keep running. But it's okay, it's okay. So walk instead of run.
Speaker 3:Well, doug, let's explore that Okay, from the time I was probably in third grade up until high school, right, how many times would your PE coach or your soccer coach or your baseball? Don't walk, literally. That is ingrained into you your entire life. Do not walk Right. I mean literally, that's a great point, daryl.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, it's ingrained. That's why that's you know what? That's an awesome point, because you're right. Why, why was I and so many others have a hard time when you want to walk for a few steps of your run. You know it's like you feel like you failed or it's not not good or you're going to get yelled at or something. Man, but I let you're hearing it here on peach podcast with Doug and Daryl it's okay to walk. As a matter of fact, if you're an endurance runner and you want to do some long distance, you need to walk. So just walk, it's okay. Man, all right, getting to the finish line one way or the other doesn't matter. You know, daryl, I love when we do a death ride.
Speaker 2:I'm transitioning to cycling for a quick second. I remember there was these massively steep inclines on some of the portions of the death ride and I remember we went out for a training ride one time and there was, uh, somebody we were cranking up. All of us were moving very slow up this really steep uh incline I forget which one, what it's called, um, but there was one person who was off their bike and they were pushing their bike up the mountain and I'm just thinking to myself gosh, I know, if that was me I might feel man, what am I doing out here and feel bad. But I remember going by that person cause I was only moving about two miles an hour and, just you know, talking alongside them with any breath that I had at that moment, just saying you're a bad-ass man. Look at you, man, you're getting that bike up to the top of this hill and you're doing whatever it takes. Man, keep going. I'm proud of you, man. And I didn't know this person, but they were smiling and like right on, right on, and it's cool, you know. So it's, it's okay, it's, it doesn't matter how you get to the, to the end or the event. Get through the event, just get through it. Just stay in your own lane, stay in your lane, stop looking around, stop looking around.
Speaker 2:The other thing I want to talk about, daryl, is it's a great time if we want to talk about the physical part, like for me and many others. Let's say, you're a runner, a cyclist, and you can't maybe you have a bulging disc or a broken bone somewhere and you can't do the activity. It's a great time to hone in on your identity as a healthy person. I think so many of us like myself let go of that momentarily when I arrived here in Arizona. I let go of the fact that my identity is a healthy person. I eat well balanced, portion controlled meals. And when I say portion-controlled meals, sometimes it's one slice of pizza instead of three slices of pizza. That doesn't mean I'm always eating green shit. You know what I'm saying. It just means that I'm portion-controlled, I'm aware and I'm thoughtful about it. So it's a great time to hone in on your nutrition.
Speaker 2:It's also an excellent time to read up on the sport that you are temporarily sidelined from right, or the activity you're temporarily sidelined from. Buy a book or get online and start looking up. Hey, what's better, cycling form or running form? Or what can I do to strengthen my lungs when I am able to get back to do the things? Get a much deeper knowledge of what you are doing. Do the things. Get a much deeper knowledge of what you are doing. Look ahead for events and activities you might want to try after you recover right, have something to look forward to.
Speaker 2:And, daryl you were just telling me about, I know my sister, Josephine, your wife. I know she recently has been sidelined she's. You know she had an injury. She was training for her 10K, for the shamrocking one, and got injured, but she finished. She still got the run done. I don't know if that's always the best thing to do, but you know what? That girl gritted it out, got it done with a smile on her face and beat her time. She PR'd that shit. It was awesome. But tell me a little bit about what is she? You just told me she just signed up for something, man, and she's literally sidelined right now. Is that correct? Lay it out for me.
Speaker 3:Give me the whole framework. So overall I think that she had some sort of issue with either a sciatic nerve or some muscles I wasn't quite sure Based on some of your direction, because you give her a lot of coaching she would go a little slower. She had to cut down her training and everything else, but she still got through it. Some days she would go out, doug, and she would be okay. The next day she would go out and she'd get the pain and she couldn't do it. She cut back. So she number one, evaluated and then went and saw her doctor and then went to physical therapy and the physical therapist asked her hey, I want you to take a three week break from running.
Speaker 3:And this is, as she is planning out, her next 10 K the wharf to wharf, her first half marathon and she came back and was really happy that they said I want, you can still walk, you can still do these things, but I needed to take a three week break from running. When you get back, we're going to do some testing around your muscles and your alignment and all sorts of different things there. So I was very encouraged that she didn't see this, as you know, negative one. She had a plan and um, along the way she's been looking into it, she's been walking, she's been doing other things, she's been researching different runs and, as of this morning, she texts me and she got into her first half marathon, um next January. Wow and um. So I was really like wow, right In the middle of her being sidelined, the doctor saying don't run, she's doing other things in planning and we talked about it before. It's not if she's coming back, it's when she's planning on the future.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and uh, you know and, by the way, she's got other things. It's not like she's going to be sidelined for that long, but she has a plan. But she did need to take that break and go see a doctor, go see a physical therapist and get some stuff corrected. So I think it's a great example of what we're talking about.
Speaker 2:That's a freaking huge example, bro, that great example of what we're talking about. That's a fricking huge example, bro. That's like you know. Hey, I'm a runner and this is what runners do. You know, she's researching, doing all the other stuff and the the, the pinnacle of it all, she signed up. I know she signed up for the Santa Cruz wharf to wharf and I know she's now you're telling me she signed up for a half merit. So she's not only did she sign up for something, daryl, but she leveled it up from a 10 K to a half marathon, like that's. You know, that's when you have an identity shift, man. That's when things just go to a whole nother level. And you know what she might be on here saying well, it ain't all that, it's not, I'm not doing all that.
Speaker 3:But you know what, josephine, if you're listening, I remember you laughing at me and saying you guys have fun doing that, I ain't running shit. And then you'd say nerd, I think the quote was I don't have to do a half marathon, I don't have to do it. Right, and I haven't said anything. But yeah, she's pretty excited, I ain't said nothing either.
Speaker 2:I'm like, yeah, you're right, you ain't got to do, but you know what, sis you yeah, you're right, you ain't got to do, but you know what, sis, you're doing a half marathon man and I and I hope it works out so that I'm doing it right alongside you. That's badass, man, I'm so proud of you and great, what a great story for this episode too, and you know what it goes with one of the the. My next point I want to make is that have a countdown chart. You know you're when you get medically evaluated and all those things, and you know there's a, there's a reasonable set of time that it's going to take. So you know like she's doing man, she's got in, I think at the end of July, the wharf to wharf, santa Cruz, so she, she can start counting that down. And when you have that countdown chart going, it makes you internally say, hey, I need to do what the physical therapist says. I need to take the time off. I also need to do the exercises that they're going to recommend. I need to follow their instructions so that I can make sure this countdown is happening as it's supposed to be happening.
Speaker 2:The other thing, daryl, that I want to bring up and I think it's really important. I think a lot of people glance over this too often and it's very important, it's critical. As a matter of fact, there's going to be times if you are really getting into something whether it's at work or a physical activity, or your marriage or whatever but talk there's going to be moments when you feel depressed and hopeless because you're like man, I've been working hard at this and now I can't do what I was wanting to do the way I wanted to do it. You're still going to be able to do what you want to do, it's just not going to, may not happen in the time you wanted it to happen. And so, man, when you feel, when you're feeling isolated or depressed, you know, reach out to your friends, reach out to your community and tell them that. Tell them that, man, I promise you somebody's going to show up and say, hey, I know you can't run, but let's go for a walk today. I know you can't run and let's go have lunch at the park today. Let's just get outside. Daryl, you and I have talked about the benefits of just freaking, being outside man, whether you're walking, running or just sitting at a park bench. So the bottom line man is.
Speaker 2:And the other thing I want to say, also before I get to the bottom line, is become an encourager. Because here's what can happen Easily happen when you're sidelined or if you're not doing well and you're seeing all your friends and other people just going by, looking fit, feeling fit, and you know you're not. You don't hear all the misery they're feeling because they're just working out and it hurts man. Like you said, daryl, it freaking hurts man, it just hurts you. It hurts man. Like you said, daryl, it freaking hurts man, it just hurts. You can't avoid it. But become an encourager. Become somebody who is, you know, encouraging others. Like you say hey, man, I saw your stats on Strava, great job. Or hey, I saw you running by the house the other day, awesome work, good job. And you know, just become an encourager of other people so you don't find yourself wishing you could be there with them. Instead, just cause you know what, you're sidelined for a minute, it's okay. Embrace that shit and move through it and encourage others.
Speaker 3:The bottom line is just, let me just uh before we get to the bottom line. You know you're dealing with a foot injury, but you're still running. Um, but you can't, like you said, you can't go for these crazy periods of time. When I look back on it, I'm not going to think about Eric and I doing Silver Moon. Right, it was a three of us down there. You went down there, by the way. You only ran 12 or 15 miles, I forget, you know, and you were a massive supporter and encouraged us, right? And Doug, how did that feel being around all those people?
Speaker 2:It was probably it was awesome because I was encouraging for everybody. I was coming to encourage you too, but it was like I you know anybody who came by. It was so awesome just to spread the love. Man, spread the love.
Speaker 3:And you and.
Speaker 2:Eric, you and Eric were so damn fast. It was hard to encourage you because I couldn't keep up with you.
Speaker 3:But I mean, like the difference is you weren't feeling isolated, depressed, you were around people, you were still participating and yeah, I think it's a key thing Just stay active, stay active.
Speaker 2:Yeah, in whatever sense you are, yeah, you are a part of the event or the circumstances, as much as you choose to be. You know, and it's okay to pivot, and that's my last point is, man, sometimes you just need to pivot, pivot, pivot and remember you are coming back. So use this time to grow right where you are, right where you are. Daryl, what are some tips you can give for, you know, to kind of avoid some of these things?
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'll try to be brief but I'll talk about a few things. You know, when I looked at it there's a couple obvious ones. You know we're used to the old hey, you got to go be a runner, you got to go run five miles, 10 miles. You know you've done a great job of guiding people on a gradual training plan. Right, you've done a lot of couch to 10Ks Gosh, there's couch to marathons. Gradual training plan For some of the things that we're doing. Doug cycling in this. I played soccer, I swam, I played basketball, I played baseball growing up. I know how to do those things. I'm not sure exactly what is the best proper form of how to ride a bike for eight hours or run scientists.
Speaker 2:You know, huberman labs is the podcast and I was watching a video and he was interviewing this like guru to the gurus of runners. This guy is like, I mean, he is like the guru to the gurus of runners and he knows body mechanics and all this. And uh, huberman was asking him about you know running styles and should I reach my foot forward? Should I do this running styles and should I reach my foot forward? Should I do this? And the guy, uh, and this again, this is to your point of proper form um, the guy, what he heard, I got to send you this clip because it's just good. What he said made so much sense. He goes. You know what I?
Speaker 2:uh, I think is his name andrew andrew hooperman yes, andrew hooperman yeah, he goes.
Speaker 2:You know, andrew, it's uh, I can't give you he goes. The worst mistake people can do is, you know, you see Hussein Boat out there. You know running this way he goes. You're not. You don't have his body mechanics, you just don't. You don't. Your body's put together different. Your tendons are different, they're longer, they're shorter, longer the way your calf muscle responds compared to his, the way your, his thigh muscles. You can't run like he runs, you can't. If you try to duplicate what Usain Bolt does, it's you're going to get hurt, he goes. So you have to, he goes.
Speaker 2:What I would do is assess and analyze you where all your, how your body mechanics work, how you, how your legs move, how your chest breathes, all these things and there's. So I mean like, if you want to get down to the nitty, which I'm not going to get, but down to the nitty, nitty, nitty, gritty, you know, I think proper form is a tough one, daryl, it's a tough one, and I think for the average person, this is where awareness and just listening to your body and feeling the mechanics, you know there's some basic general things, right, like chest out, shoulders back, kind of thing, and slight tilt forward when you're running, and same thing for biking. You don't want to be hunched over, you want to have a strong core and I love that. You and Eric are doing tons. I got to get on that my damn self.
Speaker 2:Tons of core work, because if we're going to talk about proper form, that's the antithesis of it is right there. If we're going to talk about proper form, that's the antithesis of it, is right there. That's where it starts, and too many of us try to start with, you know, standing up straight or whatever. What do you need to stand up straight, daryl? A strong core.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Um, so I think, definitely proper form. Like you said, don't look at all those things, but take a little tips and try them out, Um, like, um, you know, like, and there's so many different things. I started, uh, the trail running and uh, we were doing something and they said, uphill, swing your arms smaller steps. Yeah, I was like the lady, lady, as she passes me, she's telling me that I'm like, well, let me try arms, and you know, try something, you know look at people that are doing it good.
Speaker 3:For me, the number one thing and I just I'm not going to we don't want to have that long on this podcast Strength training is the single biggest difference that you're going to hear about all the time. You know they used to have cyclists that they wouldn't, you know, 20 years ago, wouldn't do strength training. Cyclists in the off season do three days of strength training specifically for cycling and during the year they have one to two. It is one of the biggest differences. How can you strengthen your body, your core, different muscles, and they have a lot of things. It's like you type in strength training for runners, strength training for bikers. They'll give you specific exercises that are kind of honed on that and that's probably, that's probably one of the biggest differences over the last two years.
Speaker 3:I am consistent at least three days of strength training each week, sometimes more, and it's non-negotiable. And, doug, it's not the old thing, it's not going in bench pressing the whole time, right, it's core legs, bands, trx, flexibility right, core legs, bands, trx, flexibility, right. I still, you know, still, you know, do some different things and lift weights and bench and a few of those things. Activation and what I found more than anything, doug, is like you said, the core and my back. Like, do you remember when we first started going doing major hills? The next day my back hurt as much as my legs Right, like sometimes my back and my back hurt as much as my legs right, like like sometimes my back and my core hurt worse than my legs.
Speaker 3:Yes, um and so, um, I think for me that's a big thing, and you know, I've heard this, this phrase, that strength training is kind of your insurance policy versus injury and it makes a lot of sense. It's like, hey, strengthen as much as you can. So when you're out there, you can. You're never going to eliminate injury, but you can try to avoid it as much as you can. Um and so, for me I think that's the big, the big thing. And, of course, the last one, of course, is recovery, which is probably my biggest downfall. Um, you know, I will tell you that, um, since I've been running, doug and I is um, actually pencil it in. Twice a week I do do a stretching. So afterward I come back and I there's a guy on YouTube, and you know the internet and YouTube is amazing there, literally, is a guy that you know you type in stretching for runners and only like 5,000 videos come up right Just pick, pick any of them.
Speaker 3:It doesn't really matter. You know what I mean, um, but those are a couple of the things for me. If I just hit them again real quick gradual training plan, think about form strength training is the number one and try to do recovery. Um, even more and more of that and I just it just makes a lot of sense and for me personally, I think the uh, strength training is probably the biggest item for me.
Speaker 2:You know what's cool about what everything you're talking about, daryl, is that you've uh, this didn't happen when you first started biking, like you didn't have all this knowledge. You just didn't have all this knowledge when you first started running. And I want to make a point is, if someone's listening and they're feeling like, oh, I got to get out there, man, I wish I could do that, you can. You know Daryl's first bike ride. He was dressed up like he was going to go play basketball, and you know. And now that boy is he is fitted with a kit, and a kit is like a tight Jersey and tight, you know spandex pants thing and all that in the socks and the right shoes and all this stuff. So he is fitted with the right kit and now he's doing exercises. Um, but this stuff didn't happen overnight. Darrell, how long you been? Would you start, uh, biking seriously in during COVID, right?
Speaker 3:Yeah, so 2018, 19.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so it was uh, you know, uh, it's been all this information he's gathered and myself I've been biking gosh, I don't know, 25, 30 years, something like that. But I keep, man, I'm still learning, I still get online, I still buy books and I'm still researching because things change, new discoveries, and so just take your time and get out there. You're going to trial and error and it's okay. It's okay, it's supposed to happen that way, unless you're absolutely massively wealthy and you can hire the elite of the elite, like I was talking about, that one guy, the guru of the gurus for running. If you can hire people like that and put them around you, then you know what? Then man, you got a leg up on a lot of people. But most of us, you know, we're just it's going to be through trial and error, through getting ourselves educated and and not giving up. Not giving up.
Speaker 3:And I think patience too. Doug, if I really look at it, I would probably I would to be really frank. You know I've been running for about a year and a half. I would say the first year I might've seen some improvement, might? I think it's only in the last, you know, four to six months where I'm starting to see it to be. I mean to be re we we need to keep it real Right.
Speaker 3:You know, I've been doing core work for probably about the last 18 months I would say in the last, you know, six to 12 months. I see it's making a difference. Yeah, you know what you I mean. It does really take that long and, trust me, it's not all of a sudden. It's overnight. Every once in a while you just feel a little different, you feel a little bit better. You go run three times in a week and guess what? Only two of the runs suck and one of them is okay, Right, and then you. So it's a very gradual process, but it is happening. Yes.
Speaker 2:Yes, you, when you first start out, you have a base of zero, zero knowledge, zero experience, zero anything. That's your base. But you go and you learn, and your first run is going to level up your base to okay. Now I know how much that sucks and I know how much I hate it, and but your base has elevated to a little more knowledge and then you're going to start okay, how do I do this? So it doesn't suck and so that I don't hate it, man. And, like you said, don't don't give up, man, because going through all that stuff is where you get the wisdom, where you get through the experience. Good stuff, man, very good stuff.
Speaker 3:So it's my turn for the quote card, and so, of course, I had to pick one based on, you know, overall kind of not giving up in injury and others. So this is for you. So the quote is the pain of recovery is often greater than the pain of the injury. Oh, but the healing is worth it. Ooh, one more time the pain of recovery is often greater than the pain of the injury, but the healing is worth it.
Speaker 2:You know, when I hear that, darrell, I immediately it resonates with me because I've been injured multiple times. I've gone through recovery. Um, there have I've. You know I've been injured multiple times and chose not to go through recovery and just became more injured, um and, and the lessons are learned there. I'm in a season of my life now where I get it now like get injured.
Speaker 2:You know, you go through recovery and it's hard, daryl. It's hard for people like us sometimes to sit on the sidelines when you have been working so hard to get to a certain level. Because you know we said it earlier in this podcast it's so freaking hard sometimes to start up again. And we know we're anticipating, damn it. Every day I take off means it's going to be that much harder to start up again, or at least that's what our brain is telling us.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but in a in, sometimes in a miraculous way, if you are willing to embrace the recovery process, step into it. I mean, because sometimes injuries not sometimes many times injuries require, like what Josephine's going through, don't freaking run, you know, maybe you can do some stretching, maybe you can do some walking or whatever. Sometimes you can't do shit. But if you embrace that man, I have come through the other side and then restarted and said, oh my gosh, like I don't feel that pain anymore and I can actually run better. Sure, my cardiovascular isn't as good as it was when I left off, my strength isn't as strong, my endurance isn't as great, but that annoying pain, that one that kept me, my know, my, uh, my stride all unbalanced and knocking other things out of whack, that's not there, you know. And so, uh, I've experienced that in cycling injuries as well as running injuries, weightlifting injuries, and I have a feeling I'll be experiencing that, you know, the rest of my life as I go through.
Speaker 2:Sometimes you just can't avoid injuries, you know we're. We're always pressing ourselves to go a little better, a little harder, and sometimes we find our limits, and it's a painful, it's a painful process, but we learn along the way. So that's what I think about, darrell, that's what crosses my mind when I hear that quote. Awesome quote, man, it's. That quote is like going on a rollercoaster ride, bro. It's like all these turns and left and right and then all of a sudden, bam, oh yeah, that's what happens.
Speaker 3:And I only got one thing to say hashtag stay vertical.
Speaker 1:Yeah, uh, that's my number one.
Speaker 3:That's my number one. When I was uh out there on my first trail run, these ladies next to us were like hashtag stay vertical.
Speaker 1:It's like that's a good hashtag to live by.
Speaker 3:So that's a damn good hashtag to live by, that's a damn good hashtag to live by.
Speaker 1:Good shit, good shit.
Speaker 2:Hey, great episode, darrell. I like to keep it. I think this is going to be shorter than our normal episodes, but it's good. This was a power-packed episode, man for sure. So let's just go ahead and do what we do. Man Sign off like we sign off and I'm just going to say god bless and peace out each out.