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S5EP04: 24 Hours Under The Full Moon
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We sit down with Ultra E Eric and Double Barrel Daryl while the Silver Moon 24-hour race is still fresh on their legs and in their heads. We break down what helped them keep moving through the pain cave, why this loop ultra is perfect Sedona 125 training, and what they learn about quitting when quitting is easy.
• What the Silver Moon Race is and why a 24-hour loop changes your mindset
• Building a race camp that removes decisions with pop-ups, bins, shoes, and comfort
• Fueling strategy with personal favorites like Coke, chips, and homemade sandwiches
• Six-hour mental chunks, night running, sunrise energy, and Eric’s 3 a.m. crash
• Heat, dust, and the late-race pain cave with ice, timers, and stubborn forward motion
• Small moments that matter, from quiet encouragement to the infamous porta potty situation
• Final totals and new milestones with Eric’s first 100K and Daryl’s 75 miles
• Recovery plan for ultra runners with sleep, low-impact movement, and mental prep for Sedona
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What The Silver Moon Race Is
SPEAKER_03Hey, welcome back to Feather Podcast with our guest on with us, one of our brothers from another mother. So he's not a guest, he's a brother from another mother, Mr. Eric Estalgado, who is the Ultra E. In this episode, we will refer to him as Ultra E. And he is running with Double Barrel Daryl. And we are going to review, let's we're gonna rewind, review, and recap what they have done over the Easter weekend. They signed up for this crazy, crazy ultra run called the Silver Moon. Is it just Silver Moon, guys, or is it Silver Moon something? Silver Moon race. The Silver Moon race. And it's it's for ultra runners. You can sign up for a six-hour event, you can sign up for a 12-hour event, or you can be super crazy and sign up for a 24-hour event, which means you have committed to running for 24 hours. That's what Daryl and Eric signed up for. So we I thought it would be really great to get them on here while it's still fresh in their brains and fresh on their body, let me tell you, because I've seen some pictures. And we're not going to share those. Maybe we'll put them in a reel or something like that. I don't know. We'll see. That'll be up to you, Daryl. But, anyways, uh, I think it's so awesome when you go through things like this. Daryl and Eric, you both have run 30 miles, you both have run 50 miles, you've done some ultra runs, you've done some backyard ultrasound, you've been on your feet for multiple hours, but this by far has been the longest one. And I get really excited when people enter new miles, new hours, new distance, because you're entering into a new mindset, into a whole new realm, a place you haven't, a place of pain that you haven't been before. And man, I can't wait to unpack some things and pick your guys' brains to see how this all went. But before I start asking questions, Daryl, you are brilliant at when you're done with any run, whether it's a 5K, 10K, or a 24-hour run, I love how you come back home and you take notes. You write down what you've learned, you write down, you know, what you expected and and how different it was and what you want to prepare for moving forward. And to be honest, you know, moving forward, I'd be like, I ain't never doing that again. But but the truth of the matter is both Daryl and Eric did this 24-hour run to prepare for in less than a month now, they are going to do the Sedona 125. That's 125 stands for 125 miles in Sedona, where it's going to be extreme cold weather at night and really hot weather during the day. And but they love pushing the limits and the boundaries and testing out what they're made of and what they can do. And it and for them, they know it's not about crossing the finish line, it's about showing up to the starting line. And if you can just do that, you've already won. You've already won. So, Darrell, I love how you, again, I love how you go home and take notes and all that stuff. So I want you to frame this episode and get us going, man. Uh, what do you want to start off with, brother? Sure.
SPEAKER_01Uh, first of all, um, the Sedona 125, Eric, is four weeks from today. So uh trust me, uh, it just not uh by the way, right now we would be uh at about mile 40, Doug, because it starts uh at 6 or 7 a.m. in the morning of uh four weeks from today. So pretty excited about that. Yes, uh first of all, um I gotta give a big shout out to Eric. Last year, we like we said, we've said this multiple times. We've only been trail running for the past literal over 14 months. So we started off doing a trail run, uh a half marathon, which we really enjoyed, and we tried things. Eric found this really awesome event in Central Valley called Silver Moon, and it's a Silver Moon race. Doug talked about it. One of the things is you start off running at night, so you start off running on Saturday night, and they have it when you have that full moon. So the moon actually comes up a little later, about 10:30 in the evening, and it is it's beautiful, and you basically run through the night. So that's the concept. It's uh at uh Readley, which is in Central Valley. You probably heard of Readley College, as Eric told me. That's where Josh Allen, the Buffalo Bills quarterback and MVP, went to school. His first year he did not get, um, he did not even get, Eric told me, he didn't even get a single scholarship. So he went to Readley College in Central Valley before he went to Wyoming and then the Bills. Uh so it's there. You go out to Readley College, you go behind Readley College, and they've got some vineyards and some things, and it's a figure eight, it's a two and a half mile loop. You run it as many times as you can. Last year we did the six hour you were down there with us, Doug. And it was think about six hours. We were we were overwhelmed. Yes, and it was such a learning and an amazing event for us. It really taught us a lot. But Doug, you were there, and I'll have Eric talk about it. We learned a lot about each other last year, but we also learned a lot about how many people aren't doing the six hour, they're doing the 12 and the 24 and just the whole concept of it. So that's a little bit of the background. Eric and I have this calendar for the year, and we have a big of a big year, and we were trying to decide what to do. And Eric told me, hey, let's let's do Silver Moon. I said, okay. And then Eric, why did we sign up for the 24 hour again?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, not quite sure still. We signed up and figured let's use this as a training run for Sedona Canyons.
Building A Camp That Saves Energy
SPEAKER_03Yeah, hey, Eric, you quick question. Uh let me just butt in here real quick. So last year we went down and I went down as a pacer just to help out and support and uh and drink beer while you guys ran, but um and pick up some extra because they were handing out those uh what was those those cool non-alcoholic beers too. Oh yeah, stalking up on the mad boys, yeah, at those athletics, yeah. But anyways, Eric, you're really good at getting camp set up, like setting up tents and bringing uh materials, chairs and tables and all that stuff. Last year it went down. I thought we had a really cool setup. I thought it was awesome. We had a fire, we brought Daryl's fire pit, yeah, chairs table, and the tent and all that stuff. Um, but this year I saw your guys' photo of your setup, and I'm like, man, that's like the Taj Mahal first class. Like, are you guys running or are you guys at a at a resort? Like, what's going on? You had these shoe racks hanging up in the things. You look like uh uh what's her name? Um come on, Eric. Amelda Marcos, man. Amelda Marcos with all you had 15 pairs of shoes up in there, bro. Come on, gotta gotta have gotta have your options, man. What did you learn? What did you learn from last year and and what changed this year?
SPEAKER_04You you mean as far as like the our our setup and our setup, as yeah, as your setup.
SPEAKER_03Because I'd like people to know, I'd like people to know if they if they want to try this. I think they can learn a lot just what to bring, you know. It's right. A lot of people don't know what to bring to these kinds of things.
SPEAKER_04Well, well, depending on where you stay, sometimes there's there's no shade. And so you definitely want to get like a pop-up. So Daryl and I experienced with that. We had one pop-up that we shared together with a couple of chairs and a and a and a table. It was kind of cramped. So this year we took uh two pop-ups, put them side by side, and um use that as our home base. And so we kind of bring some extra gear, some extra uh tables and and chairs and and some outdoor carpeting, and we kind of get ourselves really, really comfortable. Um, so we know it's gonna be a long day, a long night, and uh whatever can help us, you know, feel more comfortable when we rest. It's it's always a good idea.
SPEAKER_03The event provides food and snacks and stuff like that. But you do you I saw your guys' uh hookup. You guys brought a lot of your own stuff. Is that what people should do if they're coming down? Bring your own stuff as well, or how does that work?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, everyone's got their different type of fuel, this, their their favorite snacks that they like. And so, Daryl and I, we have we usually have some some meetings before our big events to figure out what we're bringing. So he'll bring a few things. I'll bring some of my favorite things. Uh, we usually get uh spoiled by Josie by she she makes us some homemade um sandwiches, which no matter what time of the day or how how early or how late it is, you know, you look forward to that sandwich and that fresh food. Um so yeah, we we kind of bring a little bit of everything. Obviously, we bring our Coca-Cola's and our potato chips, some of the snacks the ultra runners like to like to have uh late in the races to kind of give them a pick uh pick me up.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, and um, I I think the one thing more as we've learned, you want to take out every last variable where you got to make a decision. When you come in there after two and a half miles, you want to go, right? We're not, hey, let me look for this, right? Everything is set up. You've got your water, you've got your nutrition, you've got your goose, you've got your shoes if you have to change. So you don't have to decide anything, Doug, right? Everything is organized. You're not opening up boxes, you're not looking like everything has got its spot. Everything has two or three of everything. If you're if you're Eric, you got like nine of them, right? You know what I mean? Yes, I know what you mean. But like, because when you when you get in there, Doug, you're tired. You don't want to be thinking, you just want to act. You want to, I grab this, I do this, I go, right? So I think getting that mental aspect, and Eric is just an absolute master. I don't know, we we've got now like about seven or eight different bins and different things, and we're uh we were just we were dialed. And um, the scary part is we had all this stuff set up, and some of the people are coming around like they do ahead of time, and they looked at us and they were like amazed at our setup, and we were like, Yeah, this is our second year. And like, trust me, we're punching way above our weight. That we we we we we we we dress like the gold medal winners when we were the recreational, you know, hockey team or something, but uh but we were we were styling and profiling thanks to Eric.
SPEAKER_03That that's how we got that's how that's how I treat my golf game, man. I dress to impress, but my game's all over the place, man.
SPEAKER_04Well, you never know. I mean, if if you're having a good day and you're hitting the ball well and you look good, you might look like a professional, honestly.
SPEAKER_00So yeah.
SPEAKER_03Good stuff. So, Daryl, uh, let's get back to the you know, what what'd you learn? Where do you want to go from here?
Pre Race Rest And Starting Mindset
SPEAKER_01What'd you what did you well? I I think the biggest thing is we got down there early. Um, we got set up and then we tried to rest because you do you start at six o'clock. And remember, think about it. Um, we're gonna be up for 24 hours.
SPEAKER_03When you say six o'clock, you start at six o'clock in the morning or six o'clock at night?
SPEAKER_01Six o'clock in the evening. So okay, we got set up by about noon, and then you have until six. And they, if you're gonna do the 24 hour, you should try and rest. Well, you try and rest, but your your mind is kind of going. Um, last year, remember, Doug, we walked the course, right? Right. Um, last year, Eric and I said, if we're running for 24 hours, we're not walking, but we don't need to walk. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_03So you guys didn't. I was gonna ask, did you walk the course this time?
SPEAKER_01We didn't walk anywhere, man.
SPEAKER_04Oh we sat we sat in our chairs for a couple hours and just really relaxed, had some quiet time. Get your mind right. Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, yeah. Kind of unwind. It was it was it was a nice piece.
SPEAKER_01It was, it was, and uh, and then just try to like, okay, five o'clock, let's get ready. And then at some point, we kind of looked at each other about 5 30 and we're like, right, let's walk up there, right? Um, and it was uh it was a quiet walk. Eric and I are generally talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk. You know, when we do really hard stuff, Eric and I find we're kind of quiet to start. Um so we walked up there and uh they gave us their pre-race. And you know what's really cool? It was bigger than last year. Oh, was it as far as participation you mean? Yeah, yeah, quite a bit. People are just, I mean, Eric, they're just they're just amazing. They just always are. Um really awesome. And we got started. So it's a different mindset, Eric, right? When you think about 24 hours, there wasn't like I'll be over in six or anything else. It was just sorry, here we go and don't know what to do. Eric, what was your mindset when we're about ready to take off?
SPEAKER_04Oh boy. Um, I would say my mindset was like you and I had kind of discussed, we kind of went over a lot of details, and so we were taking things in like six-hour increments. And so we were like, okay, it's 6 p.m. We're gonna run till midnight. Um, we've got some, you know, plans to fuel um every couple of hours and change clothes, um, maybe you know, take care of our feet, change shoes. Like, you know, me, I had like Doug said, I had like six different pairs of shoes, but I had options just in case. You just never know how your feet are gonna feel or what the conditions are out there. Mentally, we were my my mindset was that every six hours, uh, get to the sixth hour. And usually when we're doing ultras and we're not doing um loops, we we talk about going from aid station to aid station. We know the mileage, we know uh the elevation, and so we kind of mentally prepare ourselves. This is what we need to do, this is how long it's gonna take us to get to our aid station. So let's fuel, let's eat, let's uh rest when we need to. And so yeah, I'm kind of we're kind of learning a lot more about ourselves, about what works for us, and um, and I think talking about it before and really putting detail to it um helps uh helps when you're when you're out there.
SPEAKER_01And Doug, uh, you were there last time and you ran quite a few miles. I think you ran 10, 12 miles with us last year, and uh you knew what it was kind of like. So the idea of running from 6 p.m. uh until midnight was super fun.
SPEAKER_00Cool.
SPEAKER_01And then uh it crosses over. Uh we we both had some mental models of how many miles we wanted to get in that first six hours, and we're pretty close to that, which was good. Um, and then you entered the second six hours, um, which is I'm gonna run through the night and I'm gonna see the sunrise. And uh I can tell right for me, that second six hours was by far the most fun. I don't know why, because it just seemed there was a little less people, it's a little more quiet, kind of by yourself. So, so that was it. So it was um it was a little bit quieter than I remember. Yeah, I remember when we were sitting around the campfire last year and we were watching them run around, it was pretty quiet, right? You know, people aren't, you know, very quiet. No one's talking anymore. Nobody's talking, they're just kind of in their in their in their mood. It's cool, it's cool, so it's actually pretty good running weather.
SPEAKER_02Yes.
Night Running And The 3 AM Crash
SPEAKER_01Um, and so it was good. So running through the night was uh that that the 12 p.m. till 6 a.m. was by far my uh kind of my my sweet spot.
SPEAKER_04And for me, that was the total opposite from I would say one 1 a.m. to about 7 a.m. I was in pieces. I was mentally breaking down, physically breaking down. I even stopped at one point, probably about three o'clock in the morning, and my whole body hurt, my legs hurt, my feet hurt, and I sat in my chair and I felt like I'm just gonna take a nap. And then I decided I'm gonna take a better nap by going and crawling into my tent, and I'm gonna sleep for like an hour. Well, that hour turned into three hours. So I missed pretty much all of the first night for between 3 a.m. and about 7 a.m. But in the meantime, Daryl's running around in circles, he's having a good old time. I hear him come back. So, Eric, come on, let's go. Get up. I'm like, all right. Every lap he's in.
SPEAKER_03Come on, let's go. I'm right behind you.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, my famous words to him is I'm all I'm right behind you.
SPEAKER_03So did that nap help, Eric, when you got when you got up from that? Apparently it did, but even though I I woke up and I started again, I felt pain.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh, I felt not as much pain, but it I felt like uh I was struggling. And this was at about 7 a.m. in the morning. It got better. Uh kind of the pain went away, and uh I got my second win, like Daryl always says, I get a little second win, second half. And um literally most of the pains that I had that were making me want to stop, um, kind of went away. Wow before you know it, I was running again like um like you know somebody was chasing me. You know how that goes. Yeah, yeah, I do, I do sometimes, yeah.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, so Doug, let's talk about the second half of the race. Um, you know, so you get there and you get to six six a.m. in the morning, and uh so you got the six hours and the 12 hours that have stopped. So you only got the crazy people on the course, people design up for the 24 hours, and it gets a lot, it's a lot less people.
SPEAKER_03So it thins out a lot.
SPEAKER_01Thins out a lot. And by the way, when you go by the main area, all the people are celebrating with their medals and taking pictures and doing all this stuff, and you're still running, you're like, you're excited for him, but you're like, I got another 12 hours of this. It gets light about 6 30 in the morning on I I FaceTimed you. It was so cool, it's great talking to you. And uh running around, and you know, all the different people there, and everybody was happy Easter, you know, he has risen. Everybody was just in a very it was Easter, it was Easter Sunday, and we're watching the sunrise out and and and running on the trail. So um, that was a that was a cool thing, and I've heard about it, but I haven't experienced it. I think Eric, you have before where you've run where in the morning like that, where the sun comes up, and you do get this boost of energy for a little bit, right? When the sun comes up and then then it turns into pain. But yeah, that second half, uh, the second half gets real. You're like, okay, it's 6 a.m. I gotta run till 6 p.m. Uh it was uh it was interesting.
SPEAKER_03But um so Daryl, so let me just back up real quick. So you had you were talking, so now we're talking about the second half. That's after 12 hours. Have you I know you guys ran 50 miles before? How long did that didn't take you 12 hours, did it? Or how long did that take you or longer?
SPEAKER_01Yeah, that took us 16. Um, but that was so you had run longer hours, okay. But but that was a little different, Doug, because that was more a big up and down mountains, and we took some pretty big breaks in between. So the 12-hour mark really was kind of new territory for us um to some degree. It was a little bit different of a format. Um but yeah, starting to kind of get into that second half, you know, when we would pass people on the trail in that second half, you would just you'd pass them or they'd pass you or catch up to them and you go, How's it going? Right. I didn't have anybody that said they were doing great. Um, I I I heard a lot of okay, not great. Nobody said, I'm dying or anything else, but they would say, Hey, are you on your pace? How's your plan? How you doing? Right. Right. Because pretty much everybody is you're in the hurt locker, right? Now you might be running really well, but I mean, like nobody's really intended to be like fresh at 12 hours, right? So everybody's cool. You're kind of like, I don't know, Eric, when you say you're kind of not commiserating together, you're just chatting about life, and you're not, I don't know, not a lot of energy. You're just kind of like just kind of suffering in a in a group forum. And we met a lot of people that second 12 hours. Um, I thought it was really cool.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, uh you'd go by people and they it seemed like people were very somber, just kind of focused, not complaining. You'd go by and sometimes you'd be like, just you just give them a quick nod or a hey, good job, or nice work, and then they'd say the same thing to you. But those little words sometimes um just really kind of pick you up. You're like, okay, yeah, I'm doing, I'm I'm doing something good for myself. Somebody else is out there struggling just like I am, but there's they still have a good attitude. They're they're still giving giving kudos and and and letting you know that uh doing you're doing a good job. Yeah.
Tacos Community And Bathroom Chaos
SPEAKER_03That's awesome. I love that. I love that. So take us a little further, Daryl. You're in your take us, you know, we're gonna go to the floor.
SPEAKER_01All right, but that's um, we gotta, we we we we we gotta talk about some fun things, uh, Doug, right? Okay, get a little serious here. Uh there's a one guy, and he was there last year, he was on the back side of the bottom half, and he he he's got a a nice, uh, nice grill, and he makes tacos, makes tacos and food all the time. His wife runs and he makes tacos. So you go by there, and man, I saw him right away, man. He was making his tacos. I give him a high five. He goes, they'll be ready in an hour, right? He literally makes tacos and stuff all night long, right? Right there, and keeps them out there for you. So if you ever want them, oh dude, Eric Eric and I both had one, they were great. But he also made what he makes German pancakes, Eric. Yes, German pancakes and quesadillas, quesadillas, dude. I thought they were flawn. I took a bite of it. I was like, Oh, that's not flawed, man. It was not, it was a dry. I was like, oh, flawed. And I thought it'd be like spicy. I was like, I mean sweet, and I was like, oh, you know, I still choking on there, and then uh Eric, uh, I know we'll have some fun. Let's keep this a family show, but uh talk talk about the bathroom uh drama just real quick. Let's keep it let's keep it, let's keep it a little real, but it was pretty funny.
SPEAKER_04Um so maybe last year there's probably 200, 250 participants. This year there was probably 400 plus. Oh wow, and there were the same amount of um bathrooms.
SPEAKER_03Same amount of bathrooms. Uh oh.
SPEAKER_04Same amount. There were only four. Oh, and so if if if you're if anyone's familiar with running or or cycling, when you gotta go to the bathroom and and and you know, you you gotta do what you gotta do, you definitely want a clean wipe and a second wipe. You don't want to leave anything behind so that you get you get some chafing going on. So So all four of those toilets, uh, porta parties were were filling up fast. I mean, there was some TPs going on. There was some some mounds of of mountainous stuff that were starting to peek out of the toilet lid. So options were slim as getting into one where you can do your thing comfortably and get out. It was bad. It was a bad situation.
Heat Dropouts And The Pain Cave
SPEAKER_01There would be like there'd be like three people in line, and Doug would uh we'd run by and Eric was always waiting. He's like, I don't want to stop, right? So he'd come back time, and then there'd be like four of them. You'd open the door, you're like, hell no. No way. And there was like one that you maybe weren't gonna like make contact. I don't even want to get straight for this. And by the way, within about an hour, that was not good either. And so at one point, you I mean, like, we're just taking toilet paper in case we got to go in the the the vines, man. I'm telling you, and then all of a sudden they brought a truck out, and the truck had like like you know, basically was in the middle of the race, was having to take this stuff out, so they took care of it. But um, the whole bathrooms were a top up a conversation, and it was it was not pretty, so not uh not pretty. No, that isn't and then um and then let's talk about the real pain cave. About 10 o'clock in the morning, Eric, is when I noticed that you know what some people that I thought were 24 hours weren't running anymore. You started peep people started dropping off air, you know what I mean? People started, yeah. It was about 10 or 11. By the time we got to noon, there was uh probably about half the people who dropped off um there. And so then you got the last bit and it starts to get hot and it starts to get dusty. That's where the growth started for me. Um because uh Eric talked to me, and I think we'll just kind of talk through it. Maybe we'll just we'll stop right here. Eric, I think one, you and I both struggle pretty much the same amount, everybody struggles, but I think we just kind of handle them differently, right? Oh, yeah. Um, there. And I think uh, and you know, that was kind of my observation. Uh Eric said something to me afterward, he's like, Girl, I can tell when you're struggling because apparently I get very quiet. But it's interesting, you just you suffer in those last six hours. You're just you're just trying at Doug, it's the first time in my life where I had nothing other on my mind other than I just gotta do whatever I can to keep going. There was there, I had no other strategy, like none. Like, oh, maybe I stretch, maybe like I only had one thing, just don't stop. That was the only thing I could think of. There, other than that, my my my mind was kind of gone in my body. But um, Eric, just talk about how you saw different people managing different things, maybe how you manage it, how I manage it, and how we saw other people manage it.
SPEAKER_04Sure. Well, I think one thing that comes to mind, I'd like to share this with you, is um when I noticed some of the moments where you were struggling, I was trying some different things coming around to the rest area. And so I was having some knee pains and I was um icing my knee for a little bit. So I made a packet of ice, icing my knee for a couple of minutes, then I'd ice the back of my neck, and then I just put that ice bag on my head. And so you came back in, it was getting hot, and I know you had some knee problems that were bothering you, and I said, Hey, just grab some, grab this uh ice pack and just try it. Just leave it there for about five minutes. And you kind of looked at me like five minutes, that's a long time. I need to get up and go. I'm just like, no, it'll it'll be it'll be better for you to sit for five minutes, ice it, it'll feel a little better, do another lap, come back around, see how your knee feels, and then go from there. And I think you you kind of you kind of gave in to that idea a little bit. And when you did that, it helped. I think we did that probably for two or three laps in a row where we'd come around and this was like peak day. It was maybe between 1 p.m. and 6 p.m. And uh it was getting pretty hot. So that I I saw that that you kind of accepted the fact that I maybe let me let me just rest a little bit longer than I'm normally doing and try something different with the ice. And I think it worked, it helped a little bit.
SPEAKER_01Oh, absolutely, absolutely. And um, I think uh you just you know, Doug, I you know, you learn a lot, you know, a couple days after, you know, Eric and I will talk about the next day what we you know what we learned in our lessons. But um for me, it took me to a spot I had never been at before. I mean, like literally never been, right? For sure. Um just how do you get single focused? Because I Aaron, uh maybe Eric and I saw some of the people that were keep going, and they just they were the I can name five or six of them, they just kept going. Right. And then a lot of the people that I saw were that, you know, for some reason they had to stop and everything else, and very it was hard, hard not to. Um, they were, you know, talking, oh, this and this, I have the wrong shoes and everything else. But I saw just you know, watch people, dog. Sometimes you just watch people and see their mannerisms and how they do stuff. The people that were doing it, they weren't looking around, they weren't talking, they were just they were just keeping it moving. They're not keeping it moving. Locked in, man. Locked in, locked in.
SPEAKER_03Hey, so look real quick, was there times after the 18 hour mark? Because that that's really that would be new hours and new miles for you guys, and it's all just a different experience. Um, where you guys sat down and you're like, Man, if I don't, if I sit down too long, I can't get up. Or and was there moments where you did sit down too long and you were struggling to get up, or did you guys confront any of that stuff? How did that go? Daryl's smiling. Go ahead, Daryl. Tell the story, your story. I know you got one.
SPEAKER_01Eric did a good job because our biggest thing is like you just don't want we've got really good recently is not wasting too much time. Right. So when Eric finally talked me into uh doing the icing, he says, I'm gonna set a timer. And I said, Good idea, that's great. That was cool because then you know, Doug, you like we're gonna sit down, and but we had a timer because you could sit down there and five minutes could be 10 minutes, 20 minutes, and you'd be like, whatever, right? So timer went off, took off the ice pack, and I leaned forward and I had my hands on the chair, and I was rocking it. I was rocking and I was like, I don't know if I could get up.
SPEAKER_04And I go over and give you my hand, and you're like, no, no, no, it's okay. I've I did that like two or differ three different times to try and help you up, and you're like, No, no, no, no, no, I got this.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, but he was like, So he was like, Let's go. And then, like, literally, like, I I I the hardest part of that whole hour was just getting out of that chair for that 10 seconds, and so then we would like stumble out together and like in the take about 50 yards to walk, and then we'd start jogging. So um, yeah, that's some pain, guys.
Lessons From Hours 18 To 24
SPEAKER_03That's some pain. So, what'd you learn? What'd you guys learn about yourself from the 18 to 24 hour and then and on and on the ride home, you had to you guys had to share some things. Like, so what what did what'd you take away from this? And how how is it going to help you and prepare you for Sedona?
SPEAKER_04I would have to share that I what I learned about myself personally is that um I usually at around 10, 10 to 12 miles, maybe 15 miles, I really start getting these pains in my legs and my feet and my hips, usually my right side. And I get a little frustrated about it, like, ah, you know, again, I should have probably trained a little more, did some more exercises. My solution is to rest, sit down, rest, take a little longer. Like Daryl will go and do a loop, and I may be behind him by a half an hour or so, but I'm not really stressed off that time. I just know that resting for me, mentally and physically will be better in the long run because I'm I was in it for the long haul. And so um and then when I do that, sure enough, you know, maybe two hours later, four hours later, whatever it is, I actually get over that hump. And it's a hump where it just doesn't seem like it's gonna go away. And I'm cursing myself and questioning everything that I've ever decided to do as far as ultra trail running and telling myself I'm taking stuff off my calendar that I don't want to do this this race later on down the down the line this year that I planned for or signed up for, I'm not ready for this stuff, and then um yeah, I just kind of get up, like Daryl says, and struggle and and walk it out a little bit. And if I'm feeling a little better, I start running and all of a sudden it completely goes away for me. And my mental state is back to I can't wait to get to Sedona and try this again, and I can't wait to show up or sign up for for the another event, something like this. It's kind of weird for me, but it it works for me. It's it's happened in probably three or four different races where I'm just like, I don't, I'm done. I I'm gonna quit. And uh it's no pep talk from myself to myself or from Daryl to me. It's just kind of mentally in my head. I'm just like second guessing everything. And uh it it eventually always goes away for me. And then I I swing back into why I'm why I'm there, just knowing it's it's good for me. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03That's awesome. That's so great that you've learned that and you're you're like acknowledging it right now because man, how awesome will it be if you could really hone that in and because you're gonna get you're gonna get on into that hump. You're gonna get into that that phase, that section of the run where what am I doing? Why am I doing this? But if you could really just have that come full circle and say, oh, I'm I'm in the hump right now. Like this is part of it. It's gonna pass. And it's gonna be, I just need to the sooner I get through this part, the better off I'll be. And then that that might encourage you to just keep on going while you're in the pain cave, right?
SPEAKER_04Oh, yeah, both. And I think this this race, this event actually did that for me.
SPEAKER_03Nice.
SPEAKER_04It really, it really did. Daryl and I talked about it. We had a three and a half hour ride home, and I talked about it. And just the more I thought about it and talked about it, I realized that this is kind of a pattern. Just uh get through it, get over the hump. And um, there's there's the light at the end of the tunnel, there's always a finish. Like you said, you're winning if you're just showing up, right? There you go, brother. There you go.
SPEAKER_01Daryl, what'd you learn? Learned a lot, but the biggest thing was is there's no joke, Doug. There is probably 20 opportunities in the last three hours we could have stopped. I mean, like, like you know, we would we'd get to the we'd market and we'd start running and we'd see someone getting their medal and we'd say, Hey, how you doing? And man, I'll tell you what, this person looked way stronger than Eric and I, you know, and they were getting their medal because they were tired and or something happened and everything else. Nobody would have said anything, and it would have been fine if we stopped, right? Right like you know, like we were right there, but you know what? We just kept going and we had some slow laps. We had some laps where literally, you know, Eric had some energy and he would run. He goes, Hey, I'm gonna run up to this thing and then catch me here, right? Because he was faster than I was. But the thing I kind of learned at the last three hours, which I really take away, I haven't even told Eric this, is we kind of worked together and we never said it out loud, but we were not gonna stop until 6 p.m. We weren't gonna stop, which was your 24th.
SPEAKER_03That's that's your 24th hour, right?
SPEAKER_01When you say 24 hours, now yeah, and we could have walked and we were slow, and we had this one lap, I think it was a lap before the end, where I think felt like we're the only person on the damn course, man. It was like 90 degrees, dust flying and everything else. And we were out there and we knew that we were gonna do it, and uh, and it didn't matter how many miles it was 75 or 60 or two. We it didn't even matter, right? Do you know what I mean? But I knew we were gonna make it to 24 hours. That was really cool.
SPEAKER_04That was really cool, and uh it was yeah, very cool, especially when I didn't think I was gonna make it to 24 hours. I was yeah, I was writing myself off way before that, probably at uh the 15-hour mark. I was like, there's no way. While Daryl was still out there, even I think he was he was in more pain than I was, but he just kept going. Yeah, he was just non-stop um determination. Daryl's got got the mind of a bull, man. He just keeps going no matter how it hurts or or what the situation is. Get up out of that chair and he keeps going. He amazes me all the time when I see him. And uh, I think that encourages me to keep going too. Yeah, for sure.
Finish Numbers And New Milestones
SPEAKER_01And uh when uh when we crossed the line and uh they knew we were we were marking our thing and they were excited, and they the the cameraman came out and they took us by the thing. And seeing it was like, I don't know, because we it was like 23 hours, 58 minutes, because they didn't let you go on another lap, right? And like just there's a picture of Eric and I with 23 hours, like 58 minutes behind us. And I was like, that's my happiest picture of the whole thing, you know what I mean? Um, I was like, the killer is like, we did it, you know. So it was it was great, it was awesome.
SPEAKER_03So, in that for for the people who are out there who are curious, like, well, how many miles did you run? So, what what and Eric, we know you took a three-hour nap, so it's uh it's not gonna be the same as Daryl's, but all in all, after 24 hours of being out in the elements, what did you guys run? What was the final numbers?
SPEAKER_04My personal uh numbers were on my Garmin, which is kind of different than um the actual official race um loop was 63 miles.
SPEAKER_02Um got us 100k.
SPEAKER_04Yes, I got my first 100k ever, so I was happy about that. That turned into a goal uh later on during the day was if I can keep going and get to 24 right before 24, I might hit the 100k mark. So that was one of the one of the goals for me.
SPEAKER_01But also And it was uh it was it was really nice because you know Eric uh you know had some stomach issues and some GI things with you know, I think probably at the scratch. But all of a sudden when he started running again, I was like, oh shit, he's gonna start catching up lap after lap after lap. And all of a sudden he had that, he was like, Oh, I can hit my 100k. So, Garrett, I I saw that light in your eyes. You're like, I'm gonna hit 100k because I'm intended. That's that's freaking amazing. Um, so it was nice. We you resetting you reset a goal, and um, and then you were just like clicking it off. I got it, I think I got one more lap. I think I got this, we'll make it in time. So uh 100k is no joke, and we've always talked about doing that, so that was super cool. Very cool, right?
SPEAKER_03And and and Daryl, how'd you end up?
SPEAKER_01Um, I uh my daughter thought I was crazy from trying to run a hundred miles, and uh Ava said, Dad, why don't you just do an increment? So like you've done 50, try to do 75. And I was like, Okay, well, I'm gonna try to do more, but you know, I ended up not. And so then all of a sudden I was calculating on my mind, and I was like, Oh, I'm just gonna get to 75. And so um, I ended up at 75, and uh uh, so that's good, good, good, good numbers.
Recovery Plan And Sedona Mental Prep
SPEAKER_03Congratulations, you guys. Those are you know, man, what an incredible story, and and the time you were out there, you know, time and training, right? Daryl, we talked about that before on this future uh past episode, and because they really this was a training run for you guys to get ready for Sedona. And uh, if that's training, man, I don't want I don't want to go to Sedona. I'm the crew guy at Sedona, anyways. But, anyways, so let's wrap this up with uh let's do a short little segment here on recovery. Like, what does that look like? You know, I've done some reading and you know, because even though I'm dealing with the injuries and all that stuff, one of the things I am holding on to is the belief that I'm a runner and I'm coming back to it. So I'm just a runner in the off season right now. But so I do a lot of research and reading on recovery. That's a big thing for me now in life, just no matter whether I'm weightlifting, cycling, running, recovery's big. Uh, and sleep is the number one anchor in that whole thing of recovery. But there are other elements, you know. After you finish a thing like this, I I read something recently that said, you know, uh seven to fourteen days. Daryl, I know you have you read some information as well at when you're coming back from a big run like this. So, but what what have you guys read? What are you uh applying? What's your strategy? Because you, like you said, Daryl, you're four weeks out from Sedona. Uh, the last thing you want to do is get back in too fast and not let certain things heal up properly. Uh, and then I'm I know there's might be some anxiety, like, well, what can I do? Am I can't I keep on running? And so how do you guys deal with that? And what does your recovery plan look like in the next four weeks?
SPEAKER_04Um, so my my plan actually, um, I've I've been feeling a little a bit sore. I've had some foot pains, but I think that's just fatigue in the feet. My plan was to actually go for uh a run today, just a little three-mile run. But then you mentioned something about six days um of rest. Um, so I'm I'm good with that. I'm good with taking about six days off and and then getting back at it. I've always I always kid with Daryl, for me, less is more. That's just a just a little phrase that I have. And I I don't know if it necessarily works for me, but uh I I use it a lot.
SPEAKER_03Hey, you're still here and you're still running. So something, whatever you're doing is working.
SPEAKER_04Right. But I but I always feel like I when I start struggling, like maybe if I didn't take so much rest, so many rest days, I would, I would uh I'd be a little stronger. But again, uh Daryl's mentioned this before. My my rest days are sometimes physical days with my job, my daily job, and what I do at work. And and so um I I I guess I started to kind of buy into that. Yeah, you're right, Daryl. I do walk a lot, I'm on my feet a lot, I'm climbing stairs, I'm lifting things, and so that helps. So that's probably been my recovery is is getting back to work and uh just being actively mobile, just moving around and stuff like that. I'm not stuck on at a desk or anything like that. So I think that helps me. But um, I'm looking forward to this weekend, and I guess that'll be seven days later to go on my next long run slash hike, kind of just get more time on the feet before Sedona Canyons.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, I'd love to hear about. Make sure you circle back with us and let us know how that feels.
SPEAKER_01Yeah, yeah. I didn't have any soreness um uh during this this thing. Uh I just went straight to pain.
SPEAKER_03Um, you know, um straight to pain. I was I'm looking at you kind of like, what do you mean you didn't have any soreness? And then you said straight to pain.
SPEAKER_01I'm like, okay, that makes sense. Pain, fatigue, pain. And uh now it's kind of uh articulated at my feet. One of the things both Eric and I are super happy about is just the the the workouts we do, the weights, the training, a lot of the cross-training stuff, right? Um, you know, our core really held up really good. So I did start uh I did uh do cryotherapy yesterday. Um, I did a sauna, I did a little bit of a walk uh last night, some lightweights. Um, but you know, overall the the thing you talked about is they generally take uh they say take one rest day for every 10 miles in a long run. So that's kind of in the seven to seven to eight days. Interesting. Okay. You know, they definitely said, you know, gradual low impact exercises and sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep, sleep. I sometimes go to sleep and I feel like my body is like in pain because it's repairing itself, you know what I mean? But um also I I'm trying to like use this time for mental prep. Yeah. Because trust me, um, you know, we know what it felt like to do 100k to 75 miles, and we're gonna have to do that. And we did that in 24 hours, but we're gonna have to do day two up there and maybe day three. So starting to think mentally about what that is gonna look like when you got to go into that second and third day. So I've actually tried to use the last couple of days to kind of think think a little bit more mentally as I'm I'm having some downtime.
SPEAKER_03Yeah, good. I love that, Daryl. I love that because that's really once the pain shows up, but it's almost like the biking uh analogy I used, you know, the pain doesn't is not gonna get any worse. Exactly. You just have to learn to tolerate it longer, you know. So you're gonna hit your pain threshold limit, and then it's just how long can you handle that, right? And uh Sedona, you guys are gonna be out there what three days or something like that, you said two and an hour?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, we're shooting for 55, somewhere around 55 hours to to finish. Okay, but we but we've got up to 70, Daryl, right? 75, but uh, we don't want to be out there for 70, 75 hours. We're not prepared for that. I mean, we're mentally preparing for about a 55, 50, 58 hour haul. Uh all right, with minimal sleep.
SPEAKER_03Well, you know what they say, prepare for the worst and hope for the best. So get locked in, fellas. Congratulations. Yeah, congratulations on everything you guys accomplished. Thanks for sharing what you've learned and thanks for sharing for people who may want to go do this event, you know what how to prepare and get ready to go out there. It's a really, I remember going last year, super, super fun event. Everyone is very cool. But you know what? I can say that about any running community and run any running event. Just the running community is filled with such awesome people. Uh whether you're first time runner or you're an expert, you know, superstar. Man, the this there's so much love and so much grace, and no one is out there comparing nobody to nothing. Uh they're just out there staying in their lane and celebrating alongside you or being in pain alongside you. So check out Silver Moon. It's a great place to get your feet wet, uh, to go try out some some distance running, could do some camping uh on the side as well, and uh, and celebrate some new successes, get some new PRs and and see what you see what you're made of, see what you're made of. Is there anything anything last thing on your guys' minds or hearts you want to share? Or are we about ready to sign off?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, yeah. I'd like to, you know, I'd I'd like to see uh Team Peach out there next year doing some some sort of segment, a six hour or 12 hour. That'd be cool if we can all do it together, it'd be a nice, a good experience. That would be very cool.
SPEAKER_03Hey, I'm giving my feet uh an entire year off. So by then, by then it's it'll be uh so we we will see. We will see so far, you know, recovery's going well, and uh we'll see, we'll see. Uh, but I gotta I gotta trust the process. Uh huh.
Shout Outs And Just Start
SPEAKER_01Yeah, I I just like to end with uh yeah, Eric and I talked about this at uh breakfast the next day. Big shout out to the whole entire staff. I think his name is Terry, the race director and team. That last six hours we'd come in and they literally would on. Almost be like shaking your hand. What do you need? How are you doing? Looking good. You know, I can't tell how many fist pumps I got from the cameraman or anything else there. They they weren't just ticking off, you know, on the microphone. They were genuinely concerned and uh your biggest cheerleaders, right, Eric. Um literally felt like that every every lap for the last six hours. Sure, they were there, and it was super cool. So big shout out to Terry and his team. Yeah.
SPEAKER_03You know, I want to end with uh a couple uh a note to people who are listening to this going, There's no way I could be like these guys, there's no way I can run that many miles. There's no way I can do this, I can do that. Well, I want to remind everyone. Um, when Eric ran his first marathon, he didn't finish. He didn't finish, he couldn't finish, and he had to bail, and he felt like he failed, he and it really bothered him for a long time. And now this fool just ran what two, what is that, two and a half marathons uh distance uh Sunday? And Daryl, I for those of you who have been following uh Peach Podcast, remember Daryl wasn't even running, he wasn't even a runner. I have to I used to beg the listeners, come on, text in and tell Daryl that he's a runner. Tell him he's he wouldn't even run three miles, and now this fool just finished running 75 miles. And uh so it it all in Peach Podcast, if you listen to the intro, it just says just start, right? It says just start. Man, if you can if you have to start with a walk, then just get walking. If you have to start by just standing up off the couch, stand up off the couch, you know, during commercials, sit and stand, sit and stand, just get some movement. Movement is momentum, movement creates momentum, and once you create that momentum, man, you start creating a lot of motivation for yourself. So thanks for tuning in, people. Keep coming back to Peach Podcast, and we're gonna keep dropping down, putting down some awesome material like this. I can't wait to interview you guys after the Sedona 125. But until then. If we survive, yeah, you will, you will. Yeah, you will. But until then, man, just uh keep being awesome. God bless and beat out. We're out.