Amy O - Postpartum Rage is Real

When Amy became a mom, she thought she had to “grin and bear it.” Instead, she found herself battling exhaustion, anxiety, and postpartum rage that left her terrified of her own reactions. 

In this raw and compassionate conversation, Amy shares what it felt like to lose control, the turning point that led her to accept medication, and how she found her way back to herself. We also talk about cultural stigma, the importance of support networks, and why giving kids honest language around emotions matters.

Whether you’ve experienced postpartum rage yourself or love someone who has, this episode is a powerful reminder that naming our struggles is the first step to healing.

🔑 Key Takeaways

• Postpartum rage is common but often overlooked — and deserves recognition and support.
• Accepting medication is not failure; it can be a lifeline.
• Cultural attitudes toward mental health still impact how we seek help.
• Parenting without a “village” leaves many mothers isolated and vulnerable.
• Honest conversations with children about emotions help break generational cycles of silence.

🎧 Sound Bites

• “I was terrified I was going to hurt my kids — and that’s when I knew I needed help.”
• “Taking Lexapro didn’t make me a failure. It made me a better mom, a better wife, and a better me.”
• “Most grown adults can’t handle their emotions — why do we expect parents to always hold it together?”
• “We all deserve at least one person we can fall apart with, snot bubbles and all, without judgment.”
• “Postpartum rage isn’t an official diagnosis, but it is very, very real.”

Transcript

Chelsea Myers (00:01)
Hello! Today I'm here with Amy. Amy, how are you?

Amy Orr - Youme (00:06)
Hi Kelsey, thanks so much for having me on. I'm delighted to be here. I'm delighted to be here. Yeah. Can you hear me okay? Great. Great. There was. Maybe just in my brain. Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (00:09)
I'm so happy to have you.

I can now. Was there a little bit of a delay? Yeah. I think it's technology and it's Monday. whatever,

works. Listeners, if you can't tell, we've gone international again. I'm always so excited to meet my guests from all over the world. ⁓ But rather than have me go down my list of things that I've learned about you,

Amy Orr - Youme (00:29)
.

Chelsea Myers (00:43)
I would love it if you could introduce yourself to the listeners and let us know who you were before you were a mom.

Amy Orr - Youme (00:51)
Okay, so my background in video and film production, which I don't do that now, but that's what I studied in college and I ran my own film production company for like 2009 until my son was born in 2015.

and I was an Apple certified video editor so I worked on various various projects ⁓ yeah and then when my son was born I just being self-employed was hard and you kind of lose yourself for a while so that went on the back burner ⁓ sorry Chelsea there's a delivery guy coming to my door one second he's gonna ring the doorbell

Chelsea Myers (01:41)
Hopefully it's a good delivery.

Amy Orr - Youme (01:44)
I have no idea what this is. I don't remember ordering anything, but hey. What? Sorry, give me one second. Dad?

Chelsea Myers (01:45)
it's like Christmas.

Yeah, no, that's fine.

Amy Orr - Youme (02:01)
Okay. Right, well, that's real life. Okay, perfect. Thanks,

Chelsea Myers (02:02)
That's real life.

Amy Orr - Youme (02:10)
I don't need to know what it is. Okay, right. Okay, I'm sorry. was I? So had my son. Yes, you just lose yourself when you have a baby. ⁓ And sometimes it's really, really hard to find yourself again. ⁓ When my son was a year, I started working as like an editor.

Chelsea Myers (02:13)
It's okay.

So you had your son and it was hard to be self-employed.

Amy Orr - Youme (02:38)
Again, this is kind of my first time back into the workplace in like over a year or so. It's a bit out of practice, but I found myself filling in for a senior editor in a production company. Yeah, so and then I discovered two weeks in that I was pregnant with my daughter. Like we were actively trying before I applied for this job. So it wasn't necessarily a surprise, but...

I was covering the turn she leaves for the senior editor and they turned around to me and they're like, so she's going to take a year as opposed to six months. So we need you to cover your contract for the year. And I was like, ⁓ can't. So yeah, and that was just long hours. was like 12 hour days finishing project deadline, like.

putting in extra time over time, not being paid for it. And I was like, my daughter was born, I I was putting, trying to figure out what to do. I was like, I put so much time and effort and energy into working for someone else. What would happen if I put that time and energy into myself? So a couple of years after my daughter was born, I decided to set up Yumi, which is the business that I have now. And it has evolved.

since 2019. I did start off selling plastic free alternatives to everyday items. So toothbrushes, households, items, reusable period products, that kind of thing. And one of the areas that I was really, really interested in was giving talks and workshops. And I gave talks and workshops on various aspects of plastic free living and

Mineral waste living. But one of the areas that I was really, really passionate about was periods and everything to do with periods and stigma surrounding periods and showing people how reusable period products works and how they're healthier for you. And yeah, and then I just kind of pared my business back and now I do talk.

and workshops in schools. All the time. So I'm working with the local council here and they sponsor cloth pad starter kits and I hand those out to the students through my talks. students in and around Waterford schools are getting free reusable cloth pads that will last for five years. So it's kind of helping to tackle the period poverty side of things as well, which unfortunately Ireland is quite a rich country, but

Period poverty is quite an issue here, which, you know, it shouldn't be, but unfortunately, it's the reality of it. That's me now. It's been a roller coaster. A lot of evolutions, yeah.

Chelsea Myers (05:19)
Yeah. Yeah. I was gonna say there were quite a few evolutions there. Yeah. And some kind of like a lot of them very, I mean, from the outside looking in, like, very exciting,

very like, big opportunities, which is, which is very cool. I cannot imagine being pregnant and working

Amy Orr - Youme (05:40)
Mm-hmm.

Chelsea Myers (05:49)
12 hour days and yeah, I

Amy Orr - Youme (05:51)
That was hard. I used to go out

at lunchtime ⁓ before I told them that I was pregnant, because it was like early days before I told them I was pregnant. I used to say I was going out for lunch or walk after lunch and I'd go and sleep in my car for like 10 minutes, Paranap, just so I could reach 5pm. Like it was the only way I could get through the day. And then I just, I was just.

Chelsea Myers (06:08)
Yeah!

Amy Orr - Youme (06:19)
I was so much towards the end. was so tired and I remember I was there. We were doing like a video for like a department, a governmental department and we had a deadline and I went in on like Stevens's day, I Stevens day or Boxing Day to make sure that the export was still going and that it hadn't crashed or anything because the deadline was like the new year.

⁓ I just remember being in there until midnight, just waiting for someone in the apartment to get back to us to tell us that it was okay because we needed to make any changes before the deadline the next day at midday or something. It was being launched. ⁓ And it was just, I was like, you know what, this is...

Chelsea Myers (07:03)
⁓ my gosh.

It's too much! It's too much!

Amy Orr - Youme (07:13)
Why am

I putting in this much time and effort? It's someone else's business, you know? yeah, and I was just kind of, think I was just burnt out then. ⁓ Yeah. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (07:26)
Well, that speaks volumes to... So I think there's this perception here in the US that everyone else has it so much better than us. Like all other, not all other

countries, but like that so many other countries value family life and there's less burnout and there's less pressures put on parents and while...

Amy Orr - Youme (07:43)
Mm-hmm.

Chelsea Myers (07:54)
I don't know the specifics of what Ireland's like maternity and paternity leaves are. I do know that like in terms of like the UK and, and like there are more generous, paternity and maternity policies than

Amy Orr - Youme (08:00)
Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yes. Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (08:11)
there are in the U S but that does not mean that moms are not still burning out and are not still feeling the pressure like you were.

Amy Orr - Youme (08:13)
Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Chelsea Myers (08:23)
to work at a job that wasn't serving you, that was actively burning you out. ⁓ And so it's interesting to look at it that way, that even knowing the policies are different,

there's still that implicit, I don't even know the right word, perception of needing to achieve. You need to achieve and be productive, and that means working

Amy Orr - Youme (08:47)
Yeah, yeah. It's

not doing enough. Feeling like I wasn't doing enough and I'm like, well, this is, know. Shit. ⁓ This is really crap. This is really crap. And I think.

Chelsea Myers (08:52)
your butt off, right?

Yes!

Amy Orr - Youme (09:08)
Like, so I had, I was in a small little accident then. I was dropping my son out to Crete and I was, I had a hospital appointment after later that day or a busy appointment later that day. And I was coming out of our estate and I was just like crawling out of the estate. And this car drove into like the back of me. Now I was in like,

It was a 1995 Nissan Primera, so was like a tank, okay? So the only damage to the car was like the back, the brake light cover was broken. Bulbust and intact, so that'll just go to damage or the impact, you know? It wasn't like, and my son was in the back. He was only a year and a half, but he was completely unfazed.

Chelsea Myers (09:38)
Yeah

Amy Orr - Youme (09:59)
But yeah, so I rang work and they were like, no, go out to the hospital. was like, feel fine. And I rang my midwife and they're like, just come out anyway. And I was like, okay. And then they were like, do you know what? You've only got two weeks until you go on maternity anyway. So we're just going to sign you up. So I was like, so delighted. So I had like four weeks instead of two weeks before giving birth. usually take a few weeks. Some people, if they have holidays stored up or like time in lieu, they'll just kind of take that because.

I was only on a temporary contract for the year and I was only six months in. I hadn't enough days worked up to be able to take off early enough. ⁓ So yeah, I had my four weeks and I was able to kind of relax a bit. Which was something because when my daughter was born, ⁓ yeah, that's when all the postpartum crap started happening. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (10:54)
Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (10:55)
It was a completely different experience to when I had my son. I didn't have any postpartum issues or anything like that with him. Mentally I was all good. First child, he slept really well, which was great. Yeah, and then my daughter came along.

Chelsea Myers (11:00)
Yeah.

And everything turned upside down.

Amy Orr - Youme (11:17)
Oh my god, she only

napped like 20 minutes at a time. Even though she slept really well at night. They both did, thankfully. I would have been a shell of a person otherwise, not having that time during the day to be able to map out my day somewhat so that I could tend to my son and then do other things as well. It was really, really frustrating. So having like 20 minutes knowing that I had to get all this stuff done.

Chelsea Myers (11:34)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (11:45)
And by the time I had like Finn said change whatever and 20 minutes were off, do you know what mean? I had no time for myself at all. Yeah and then the lack of sleep for me, the tiredness is just a killer and I think like even though I had those four weeks before giving birth, I think the stress of the six months that I was in that job and the tiredness

Chelsea Myers (11:52)
Yeah?

Amy Orr - Youme (12:11)
the whole way throughout my pregnancy, just I think it all just caught up on me. ⁓ Yeah, and then the. Like a couple of years after my daughter was born, my doctor being into my doctor's office multiple times in tears, ⁓ she was like, OK, think he has. Postpartum rage, so she actually put a name on it for me. She was like, I don't think you're depressed.

Chelsea Myers (12:35)
Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (12:39)
⁓ She's like, I definitely think you have a bit of anxiety. And she did. My doctor is amazing. She's really good. She is one for researching into what is going on. She doesn't just push medication on you straight away. She's like, OK, let's figure out what's happening. And she was like, I think you're very anxious. think the tiredness is a huge contributor to that.

Chelsea Myers (12:59)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (13:06)
She was like, we can look at putting you on Lexapro, really low dose to see if that will help. And I was like, no, no, no, no, no. In my mind, was like, medication was such a taboo. Do you know what mean? And then like, I found myself, like my son was so good. He was like a dream. So as long as I, would sit there and play with his trains for like an hour, right?

Chelsea Myers (13:12)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (13:34)
or sit down and actually watch a movie, right? For like two hours, sit down on the couch and he'd just be like this for two hours. And as long as I was sitting with him and like feeding Juno, as long as I was nearby, he was absolutely fine. He was so good, but like that, I used to just lose the rag. And in my head, I'd be like, need to stop, this isn't right. But like physically, I couldn't just stop myself and I would be like screaming in his face.

Chelsea Myers (13:34)
my god.

Amy Orr - Youme (14:02)
and I would pick him up and I would like just not full force but I would just like throw him on the couch and he'd be laughing but like it was a nervous laugh as if he's not sure if this is a game or whether mommy's really angry he didn't know how to take it because he was two and I'd ring my husband and I'm like you need to come home because I'm terrified I'm gonna hurt the kids like I'm scared I'm going to hurt our children and he needs to come back and I would be outside

Chelsea Myers (14:10)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (14:30)
and they would both be in here screaming and crying because I just shouted at them. Yeah, and in your head you're like, this isn't okay, you need to stop, but you actually just can't stop yourself. I had no control over what was happening. ⁓ You see the stories of these women who hurt their kids and then, you know, like they then they hurt themselves or they end up in like a

Chelsea Myers (14:45)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (14:59)
after doing some kinds of kids and I always think those women were just let down you know like they're for the most part they were probably not evil I know obviously there's some evil people out there but I think for the most part these women were just let down they didn't want to hurt their kids

Chelsea Myers (15:07)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (15:21)
Do you know what I mean? Like they just couldn't actually control it and they had no help and people didn't recognize the signs. And it's really, really scary thinking that that could have been me. And like my daughter is eight now, my son's 10 and that still to this day still resonates with me. So I actually decided to take the Lexapro and I started that funnily enough two weeks before

Covid, we went into lockdown. That was really good timing. I was like, OK, I actually timed this really well. Oh my God. Yeah, so that was, what was that, 2020? So Juneau was born in 2017. So for three years, I was like, no, can't, no, I don't want to take medication because, you know, that's just.

Chelsea Myers (15:50)
Yeah. Yeah.

We're all about to be stuck with each other, so yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (16:16)
to know, not with seeing as like a sign of failure. And then I was like, you know what? I remember my mom having like bouts of anger and rage when we were growing up, especially when she hit menopause. ⁓ She really, she had a really, really awful time when she hit menopause. ⁓ And I remember that and I'm like, okay.

Chelsea Myers (16:30)
Mmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (16:42)
I certainly don't hold it against her now as a 37 year old woman, completely understand and our mums didn't have the option of anti-ingliside medication to help them cope and I'm still taking it. I'm on like the lowest dose. I'm on like five milligrams, but my husband's asked me time again, know, when am I thinking of coming off of it? I'm like never.

Chelsea Myers (17:07)
Right, like do you want to know what that looks like?

Amy Orr - Youme (17:11)
like haste. ⁓

And I spoke to my doctor about it and she's like there's absolutely no need for you to come off it. She was like you know if it is helping you cope and like my PMS now even like my PMS is quite bad so it always has been. ⁓ But definitely like the frustration and the rage it's still there I could still feel it but I can better manage it now.

with the help of the Esa Talapram and also I'm doing lots of other things like more exercise and stuff like that. You know, kind of found myself again after having kids to the person who I was before and you you start to kind of do things that you enjoy again and you get to learn different things that you never got a chance to do before and yeah, it's really therapeutic but

I don't think I'm ever going to come off the next road like I'm a better mother, I'm a better wife. I can function better. ⁓ And I think my kids deserve that, you know, so. And I deserve that, so I'm never coming off it, you know, maybe when I hit, maybe when I pass Maths, we'll see. Yeah, no, like, I mean, I do, I'm sorry.

Chelsea Myers (18:18)
And you deserve that. You do. I don't blame you.

I don't know, that's its own beast too. Yeah. You did...

No, you're...

Amy Orr - Youme (18:35)
So I was

listening to your latest episode was on anger. And you said that like, it's okay to be mad. And I think like there's such a stigma around postpartum rage. Like there's a lot now being focused on postpartum depression, even PMDD ⁓ and even like extreme PMS symptoms, but postpartum rage is something that really, really comes up.

Chelsea Myers (18:41)
Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (19:03)
even to this day so it was kind of it was really nice having like a name on it. I think we're conditioned from a young age to you know calm down you know take it easy as you said in your podcast you're like you know ⁓ you know we need to just kind of like put a pause on that anger now you know put that away. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (19:25)
Like put that away. Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (19:30)
I think when it comes to parenthood, especially with the explosion of the gentle parenting movement a few years ago, I think a lot of people saw gentle parenting as like, you're allowed to get angry at your kids. Do you know what mean? When it's really not about that at all. And there was a lot of pushback on it because people were feeling like they're...

Chelsea Myers (19:48)
Mm-mm.

Amy Orr - Youme (19:58)
made to feel ashamed for being angry at the kids, you know? ⁓ And also, you're taught that we need to help kids navigate their emotions. You you need to put a cap on your emotions because they are the kids. They don't know any better. You're the adult that you do, but like, we need to work them through their emotions, but we have to keep ours in check. But honestly, like,

Chelsea Myers (20:00)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (20:24)
Most grown adults can't handle their emotions most of the time. No, but also we're just human, you know what mean? And it's okay to be mad, it's okay to get angry, it's okay to cry in front of your kids. I think they need to see all these emotions and as long as you sit down with them and explain these emotions and apologize for your behavior, then it's...

Chelsea Myers (20:27)
We were never taught to.

We are.

Amy Orr - Youme (20:52)
It's okay, you know, ⁓ I think it's a woman and... No. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (20:53)
Yeah, I don't even know. I don't even know if an apology is always necessary. I like, I always say, I always say to my kids, like, we're gonna process this and like, an apology doesn't fix it. And I can say if I blow up at them, right? Or if like you have a moment of rage where you blow up, you can, I'm really sorry that I did that. But

like, if you're just feeling your feelings, like

You can just look at, I just look at my kid and I'm like, I'm really, really overstimulated right now. Or like, I'm really mad right now. Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (21:25)
Yes, you just give them warning, you know. Yeah, I'm this close to losing my, you know. ⁓ So, yeah, I think as a woman, especially as a mum, there's so much guilt anyway.

Chelsea Myers (21:32)
Yes! Yes!

Amy Orr - Youme (21:47)
But also there's like there's so many external factors and internal factors, internal factors working against us. ⁓ Whether it's the mental load or all the hormones that are going on. ⁓ think we're like women in general, we're just so hard on themselves. ⁓ We kind of just need to stop doing that. You know, we're always so critical of ourselves. And then when you have kids.

Chelsea Myers (21:54)
Yes. ⁓

Mm-hmm.

You

Amy Orr - Youme (22:16)
you're critical of like your parenting. Yeah. Yeah, it really does. It really does. Here's my mom now, Chelsea. She's going to ring the doorbell. has a key, so she could just open the door. Now there's the doorbell. You hear that?

Chelsea Myers (22:19)
Yeah, it like goes into hyperdrive. Yeah.

Everybody's coming to visit you today. You're getting packages. You've got your mom coming

Okay. That's okay.

⁓ it's a little bit. It's okay. It'll all come out. It'll be fine.

Amy Orr - Youme (22:45)
My dad was like, it'll be fine. So

sorry, I've just been kind of rambling on and off. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (22:54)
No, you I was gonna say like, you, I love it when this happens to like you have you like skipped step two, three and four and got straight into the meat of your story, which I love. But no, which I love because it means first, I mean, to me, it's a signal that that you feel

comfortable sharing. And I'm so appreciative that you shared things that are really not easy for a lot of people to share.

Like, some of the things you shared come from a place of vulnerability. And I always like to say your vulnerability is your strength. But like, being able to say like, yeah, there were days where I picked up my two year old and plopped him down on the couch and was like, I'm out of here. Like I got to step outside. That's not uncommon. That's not uncommon. No. No.

Amy Orr - Youme (23:41)
Yeah. It's nice, but no one talks about it. And I actually even

now, like when I was saying it, I'm like, I really hope no one reports child abuse. you know. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (23:54)
Right? no, and no, that I think that's where a lot of the shame comes from. And I think a lot of the stigma comes from this fear of, well, if I admit that I

have faults, or if I admit that I'm not doing this, like, like an Instagram reel, you know what I mean? Or like the Pinterest moms, if I say that out loud, then someone's gonna report me.

Amy Orr - Youme (24:18)
Mm hmm.

Chelsea Myers (24:23)
or I'm gonna get in trouble or whatever that sounds like or feels like for you. Like I think that's where a lot of the fear comes from. And another thing that you mentioned too is that we talk, we're talking more about postpartum depression and anxiety now than we ever have been, even though still it should

Amy Orr - Youme (24:28)
Mm hmm. Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (24:39)
be talked about more. Postpartum rage is just, we're just barely starting to scratch the surface. And it's not even its own technical diagnosis. It's, it,

Amy Orr - Youme (24:47)
Yeah. No, it's

not.

Chelsea Myers (24:53)
fall, it's like a subcategory of postpartum depression or anxiety. But it's no less real, and it's no less valid. And I actually think it's more prevalent. I'm going to go

as far to say since COVID. ⁓ I think it's kind of always been a thing. And like you said, like, factors that play into it are burnout and pressures from family pressures from yourself pressures from culture. But I think it's always been there. But I think

Amy Orr - Youme (25:09)
Mm-hmm.

Chelsea Myers (25:23)
The whole pandemic thrust us into this new level of not only just existing, but parents? Like parenting?

Amy Orr - Youme (25:27)
Yeah. Yeah.

You're not just

Chelsea Myers (25:34)
wow.

Amy Orr - Youme (25:35)
a parent, you're a teacher. You're a nurse, you're I mean, you're all these things anyway, but then you're homeschooling on top of it as well. You're like, my God. You know, and there's anxiety as to living through a global pandemic as well as all the regular crap that falls on to you, you know. And yeah, there's certainly scary, scary times for sure.

Chelsea Myers (25:37)
Ugh.

There's no break. End.

Yes! ⁓

Yeah. Well, but I, I'm

interested too. So there's several things that I'm interested in based on what you said. Like, so one, and you kind of talked about it a little bit is the stigma surrounding one, just talking about your feelings and two, the medication. So, and I am, I am going to play the, cultural differences thing because we are

Amy Orr - Youme (26:16)
Mm.

Chelsea Myers (26:27)
in completely different places in the world. There is a stigma in the US around mental health. Mental health medications are becoming less stigmatized, think, again, since COVID, as

Amy Orr - Youme (26:40)
Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (26:42)
we're seeing mental health play a bigger role in things. But do you think it was a cultural thing that impacted your perception? Or was it an implicit, learned? I don't know.

Amy Orr - Youme (26:55)
I definitely think it was a cultural thing because obviously like we learned from our parents and this kind of thing wasn't an option for them ⁓ and also my like my mother-in-law for example would be very she wouldn't even take parsley to mow for a headache you know what mean she's like and I think

Chelsea Myers (27:05)
Yeah.

Mmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (27:20)
Our parents' generation in general were more kind of martyrs, know, just grin and bearish. Not only did they not have the options there, but also it just wasn't really promoted, I suppose. And even now that they have, you know, a lot has improved since their day, since their days of parenting and being young adults. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (27:28)
Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (27:50)
they still like just grin and bearish you know tis but a scratch like no you know your legs hanging off you should probably get that scene you know ⁓ it's fine it's grand it's grand I think it's very Irish mommy thing as well here like it's fine it's grand it's be grand it's it's fine don't you worry about me you worry about yourself now it's like it's like no ⁓

Chelsea Myers (27:52)
Mm-hmm. Yes, Monty Python!

Yes. It's grand.

Amy Orr - Youme (28:18)
Like you need to tell me things, like they just don't want to worry you. So I think there was a cultural thing for me. was I was just. I don't know. honestly don't know. I think I saw it as like. Probably failing a sign of failure. When really and truly. It's the best thing I could have done for my kids.

Chelsea Myers (28:18)
Yeah.

Mm. Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (28:43)
And I owed it to myself and to them and my husband to not feel that way. I was having panic attacks. ⁓ I don't know what they were. They stemmed from Bush. This has certainly helped. And a friend of mine suffered really bad postpartum depression. And she was very, very open about her experience and her medication and everything. And I think it was because of her that

I decided to just, you know, I'm just going to take medication. I can always come off it if it doesn't work, but she kind of helped break the stigma for me. ⁓ by talking about it a bit more on her platform and having conversations with her about it. ⁓ Yeah, I think it's just. Yeah, because of her really.

Chelsea Myers (29:20)
Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (29:40)
⁓ her influence just made me finally make a decision you know and I went back to my doctor and even though every time I went into my doctor's office over those three years after having my daughter in tears she always offered it to me and I was always like no no she never forced it on me which is great you know

Chelsea Myers (29:46)
take that step.

Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (30:07)
I had to come to this decision on my own, obviously. was balls in my court, but she was still supportive in every way she could have been. So I think I was really lucky to have her as well.

Chelsea Myers (30:08)
Yeah, yeah.

That plays into sort of my next question was because it was so prolonged for you. so I am a Blue Dot ambassador

through Postpartum Support International and I also facilitate support groups through Postpartum Support International. And we talk a lot about if left untreated,

these perinatal mood and anxiety disorders can go on and on and on. Sometimes they can

Amy Orr - Youme (30:49)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Chelsea Myers (30:52)
resolve on themselves by themselves, but sometimes they won't. And so, like you said, the importance of that friend sharing her story, the impact that that made, and then the support of your doctor just always being like, okay, if you want it, it's here.

Amy Orr - Youme (31:05)
Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (31:14)
Did you have any other sort of support network, especially when your kids were really little? Or did you just feel like, is my job, I'm on my own, and I have to, like you said, grin and bear it?

Amy Orr - Youme (31:14)
Mm-hmm. ⁓ no, not really. Like...

I think parenting today is hard, so much harder because you don't have that village of people around you, you know. ⁓ I had three other friends who had boys at the same time, but I had my daughter. So we had our little mum group, which I think is so valuable, like.

Chelsea Myers (31:42)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (31:59)
like these like baby meetup groups and even like parenting groups and stuff they can be such a huge outlet especially if you meet someone that you just automatically connect with. ⁓ Yeah like some of my best friends are two of my best friends are friends that I've only known since my daughter was born you know because our kids are the same age.

I went to a baby massage class and I met one of my closest friends there and we were the only two out of the group that actually clicked. And yeah, was just, I think we just, it's so hard to, as an adult, to get out and meet people and make friends as an adult. you know what mean? Kids could just go up to each other and it's like, do you want to play? It's like, okay. You know, I was in Spain with my son and he went up to a kid in the playground and just.

Chelsea Myers (32:30)
Yeah. ⁓

Mm-hmm.

Yes!

Amy Orr - Youme (32:53)
Obviously he didn't speak Spanish, kid didn't speak English. He just roared like a dinosaur and they just start chasing each other roaring. that's like dinosaur roars, the universal language.

Chelsea Myers (33:01)
my God, I love that. Can you picture that? Can you picture that with two adults? Can you picture that like you go to a restaurant and you just go up to someone and roar? They're like, yes, I feel that.

Amy Orr - Youme (33:16)
It's like that meme, it's like no one asks you what your favorite dinosaur is anymore. know, now that you're an adult, it's like, try seratops by the way. You need to get on that Chelsea.

Chelsea Myers (33:26)
I don't even think- yeah, I- you're doing better than I am. I can't- I don't even think I could name five dinosaurs, so... ⁓

really do. I really do. My girls aren't super into dinosaurs, but they're into cars, which I know a lot about. So I can make I can make some good car noises. So maybe that's what I need to do the next time I want to make a friend. Yeah, I've got to like make an engine noise. Yeah, you got to make Do you know what car this is? And then I start me Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (33:45)
There you go. Yeah. Just get the half wheel collection out. Do you like half wheels? What's your favorite?

What's your favorite brand of car? ⁓ You know. So hard to make friends as an adult, ⁓ but it's so important. It's so important.

Chelsea Myers (34:03)
Yeah. Do you like classic cars or new cars? Anyway. ⁓

But I love that... It is hard.

Amy Orr - Youme (34:15)
And like, think mums are lucky because we do have that outfit. Like, there's baby classes and there's parenting classes. And my husband, like, was obviously in work while I was home with the kids. So, not that he's any interested in making friends. He has the same five, group of five friends that he's known since he was in primary school. So, I like it for you. ⁓ Yeah, that's sweet.

Chelsea Myers (34:35)
Yeah.

That's so nice. Yeah.

Well,

that that I am curious about that too, though, like, what was that? How did how did your dynamic change in your marriage throughout that time?

Amy Orr - Youme (34:53)
You just didn't really change. Like I would ring my husband and I, do you know what? It was actually this, this conversation came up between us again, a few months ago, back in January. And I my sister was home.

from New Zealand. This is first time I've seen her since 2018 and we went a weekend away together and we actually got to because we haven't really spent an awful lot of our adult lives together. She's nine years older than me so she left for New Zealand. She's been there for god am I 15 years now at this stage. And yeah so

Chelsea Myers (35:21)
Mm.

Amy Orr - Youme (35:31)
We had this weekend together and we kind of talked about so many things, everything and anything. And it brought up a lot of stuff for me that I kind of put on the wayside. And when I came home, I brought it up with my husband again. like, you know, he was, we were talking about the lexicon again and I was considering coming off of it because I was kind of feeling okay. And then I was like, yeah, I was like, I don't know. I don't know what to do.

This is before I went to talk to my doctor and she was like, you don't have to. She was like, it can be a really good, it can be really good coping mechanism for postpartum rage. And she was like, a lot of women who have postpartum rage just stay on it longterm. She was like, there's no, there's no damage or anything. There's nothing to worry about longterm. So she was like, you're absolutely fine.

Chelsea Myers (36:11)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (36:24)
Of course, if you want to come off it, this is how you take rough of it. It's totally up to you. There's another six months prescription there. You know, it's up to you whether you want to like fill it or whatever. And I was like, OK, great. So I had all these options. And then I was like, do you know what? It started coming up again. And I was like, my husband, I was like. The way I felt before I came on the medication.

I don't ever want to feel that way again. Like it still haunts me how I treated my son. Like I take my nails. I would grab him by the shoulders and I'd dig my nails into him just so I wouldn't shake him. Do you know what mean? Stop myself from shaking him. And then I'd have to just walk away and like that still like brings up a lot of emotions for me. Like.

Chelsea Myers (36:52)
Mm.

Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (37:17)
it's still really hard to talk about so I know I'm talking about it here. But my husband was like, I never came home. I like, I used to ring you to come home and he's like, but I never came home. I'm like, I know you never came home. He was like, just, I didn't realize that it was, he's like, obviously, I'm never going to understand the level of having.

Chelsea Myers (37:18)
Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (37:39)
He was like, I didn't realize things were that bad. So even though we were so close and he was getting these phone calls from me and he would kind of just talk me down. He always managed to talk me down. He's amazing. is like the yin to my yang. And he just always knows what to say, no matter what.

Chelsea Myers (37:44)
Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

You

Amy Orr - Youme (38:07)
scenario wherein or how I'm feeling like he's just amazing. So we used to always kind of talk it through on the phone and no he never came home but like I would be fine by the time I got off the phone with him. Do you know what I mean? Yeah so like we were okay but obviously he didn't realize because he never came home he never saw just how bad

Chelsea Myers (38:24)
Yeah.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (38:35)
I was, you know, he could hear it in my voice. Yeah, so he just never really, he's like, I'm sorry, I just never really. He's like, I feel like I kind of let you down because I just never, I never noticed just how bad things were for you, you know. ⁓ So, yeah, that was kind of a nice little full circle moment for us.

Chelsea Myers (38:37)
or you've or you felt. Yeah.

Yeah.

I was going to say, how did it, how did that feel?

Amy Orr - Youme (39:01)
you know, 10 years, 10 years of parenting.

And, you know, it's nice. It was nice to finally feel validated and for him to acknowledge that he kind of dropped the ball a little bit, you know, because I think I kind of probably subconsciously may have had a bit of resentment there. I don't know, because like, you know, he's a graphic designer. like your work isn't that important.

Chelsea Myers (39:22)
Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (39:28)
The world isn't going to collapse if you come home and help your your wife who's struggling with two small kids. I mean, I am this boss with a friend of mine and I know he's like really like, yeah, it's his business. But I know for a fact that if like Ross had said it to him, he would have been like, oh, yeah, absolutely. Go like Jesus. You know, he wouldn't even have they wouldn't even have been an issue. And. But he never asked.

Chelsea Myers (39:29)
Mm.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (39:57)
That was the thing. I was like, I think that was the issue. So he's become better at that over the years for sure. Yeah, I think so.

Chelsea Myers (40:06)
Yeah

Yeah, well, it's interesting. It's interesting to... It's kind of this duality

of like, he was there for you in a sense, like he was able to talk you down. yeah, it added to that pressure of, I know he's not gonna ask his boss. I know I just have to do this and I have to like, get my shit together and go back inside or go back. ⁓

Amy Orr - Youme (40:28)
Yeah. Yeah. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (40:38)
But I do, I love that you guys had that conversation so recently. Like you said, your kids are eight and nine, you said, or? Eight and 10, eight and 10. Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (40:45)
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So June is eight now. So eight years.

Chelsea Myers (40:55)
Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (40:55)
You

know, it's like okay, and it wasn't really until I started talking to my sister about all this stuff Because my friends know about it and But my sister had no idea either she wasn't here. She was in New Zealand and she now has three kids herself and There's only so much you can talk about on FaceTime. Do you know what I mean? It's there's like she's anywhere from 11 hours to 13 hours ahead

Chelsea Myers (41:10)
Yeah.

That's... yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (41:23)
depending on the season, you know? So the weekend away was really lovely to connect with her and we just talked about absolutely everything. And it just brought all that stuff back up again. And there's obviously some stuff that I hadn't resolved there. So yeah, was very... think my communication is just so important, you know? Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (41:24)
Yes. Yup.

huge. Yeah. Have you ever

have you ever tried like regular talk therapy? Like have you seen a therapist? Yeah. ⁓ do you find that helpful as well?

Amy Orr - Youme (41:57)
Yes, I have. Yeah, yeah.

I did find it helpful at the time. yeah, 100 percent, especially like I was there was this thing during COVID when we were both working from home. I was just starting up a new business, packing orders from home with two small kids and like.

Chelsea Myers (42:06)
Yeah. Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (42:21)
another ⁓

Chelsea Myers (42:27)
Yeah. That's not how that works.

I'm a big believer in that. think even if you like mental

health is like physical health, even if you go in once a year just for maintenance, like, you know what I mean? Hey, I got to unload for a little bit. ⁓ but yeah, I was just curious about that, because it sounds like each time you've described having these conversations that they've been deeply impactful for you, like this conversation with your sister. ⁓ And this conversation with your husband.

Amy Orr - Youme (42:55)
Yeah. Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (43:14)
I'm curious too, like have you ever had conversations about this with your mom? Like you were saying that you remembered her kind of going through some ragey bits. Yeah. Have you talked to her at all about

Amy Orr - Youme (43:22)
Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (43:27)
what you experienced? Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (43:29)
Absolutely, yeah. So she

knew. She was at the time, she wasn't here. She was actually in New Zealand helping my sister through chemo. She had breast cancer. ⁓ So she didn't actually get to meet June for the first six months. So I didn't have her to rely on either. is absolutely, you know, fair enough. My sister needed her. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (43:40)
Okay.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (43:58)
So yeah, so like she didn't really know just how bad things were either but yeah we've had conversations about it since you know and she's like my god I just wonder if that's what I have at the time but again like in her day stuff just like she's 75 stuff just wasn't talked about you know and I really like I feel sorry for her and her generation you know. They were really let down.

Chelsea Myers (44:09)
Yeah.

Wasn't talked about.

Yeah.

Yeah, I think there is this...

Amy Orr - Youme (44:29)
You know,

as crap as things still are and even though we've come a long way, we still have further to go. Like, I suppose the options that we have nowadays compared to what they had. Whilst they're still not great, you know, there's something. And I genuinely think she just did the best with what little bit of information she had, you know.

Chelsea Myers (44:47)
Exactly. That's exactly what I was going to say.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (44:57)
So

yeah, but yeah, we talk about it every now and then. Yeah. No. hmm. A long way to go.

Chelsea Myers (45:00)
I guess I was curious because, like you said, and like you've said so beautifully, they didn't have the language for it and they didn't have the knowledge about it. And even today, now that we're learning more, ⁓ we still have a long way to go. But I think, I almost think it's, I won't say it's harder,

but I think it's...

complicated for us because yes, we do have the language and we do have a little bit of the knowledge, but ⁓ we also have the shame attached to it. And then we didn't have the examples from our parents growing up of, okay, if I feel like this, this is what I can do. And like you said earlier, hearkening back to like, I loved the way you said it, like, no, I'm fine. I'm grand. I'm like,

Amy Orr - Youme (45:45)
Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (45:53)
you worry about

you, you worry about you. And so we we've got that one side of us that mentality that's just like shut it down. You're fine. Everything's fine. Whatever you're feeling right now, put it away. And then you also have the other side. Yeah. And but then we also have this other side going like, wait, no, I actually know that this isn't normal. It's common. It's not normal. And I can do something about it. But should I do something about it? Like,

Amy Orr - Youme (45:54)
Yeah, we're all guilty of doing that.

Chelsea Myers (46:23)
I feel that inner conflict definitely from listening to your journey. I'm also, I know I keep asking about like, have you talked about, have you talked about, but I'm really curious at this stage in your life, as your kids are getting a little bit older, have you talked to them at all about your mental health journey and just like,

Amy Orr - Youme (46:26)
No, not yet. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (46:47)
how that evolved.

Amy Orr - Youme (46:53)
Now I do, would be like, I suffer really badly with ⁓ PMS and I'm actually, traveling to Athens in September for surgery for endometriosis. So I do convey to them, like when I'm in a lot of pain, that mommy's tummy is really sore. This is why I'd be quite open about it because I talk about periods in schools with kids from like,

Chelsea Myers (47:00)
Mm-hmm.

wow.

Amy Orr - Youme (47:23)
11 years of age upwards. My daughter is eight. She's really, really curious. So, you know, obviously I'm giving her as much information as I can, like age appropriate information. There's lot of stuff she doesn't need to worry about yet, you know. ⁓ But I do convey to them, like, if I'm feeling tired.

Chelsea Myers (47:24)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (47:45)
You know, if I feel like I've been snapping at them all day, I'm like, I'm really sorry. I've been snapping at you all day. You know, I'm just, really, really tired. Or I'm really sore. And even though it's not okay, sometimes I just can't help it. So just in that sense, yeah, I guess I have in an age appropriate way. You know, they don't need to know everything.

Chelsea Myers (47:59)
Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. When you were describing

it, I was like, yeah, you kind of do. You're kind of explaining it to them. Do you think it's a conversation that at some point, like you'll have like intentionally, and I hate playing the gender card because everyone experiences mental health and mental health challenges, but like, do you think you'll have those conversations with with them about what that could look like for them?

Amy Orr - Youme (48:16)
Yeah. Yeah.

I think that's a great idea for sure. Yeah, like, mean, I'll be honest, it's something I haven't even, I've never thought about. But like one thing that I do talk about in like my talks and workshops, my period workshops is PMS and the symptoms and everything that can go with them. And I guess it was because I'm so used to talking about it.

Chelsea Myers (48:40)
Yeah. In theory.

Mm-hmm.

Amy Orr - Youme (49:04)
I'm a bit of a, I could talk about this all day, every day. So more inevitably, Inevitably, my kids are probably just going to have to, whether they want to hear it or not. They probably will at some stage. You know, I haven't actually thought about when, but yeah, I think it's important to be open with them as well. You know.

Chelsea Myers (49:09)
When they ask you that question, what could you talk about for an hour nonstop?

Yeah. ⁓

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (49:31)
⁓ And especially having the conversation with my husband about being more perceptive, you know, when it comes to the kids. And now in fairness, he's done so much work on himself over the years. He's just like Mr. Cool, Calm and Collective. And he can just defuse a situation. He's like...

It's skill. He's put a lot of work into himself. And he's so good at diffusing, whereas me and the kids might kind of like feed off each other a bit, you know, and he could see me like starting to get angry and they're getting angry. We're both getting upset. He's like, OK, OK. It's OK. Everybody's...

Chelsea Myers (49:56)
I'm so envious of people like that. ⁓ my goodness. my goodness.

Yeah.

He's the mediator.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (50:23)
Calm down. But

then when he starts like, when he's tired, he starts shouting. Like we're all guilty of it. Like he might snap at them. And when he's snapping at them, I'm like, okay, just you go take a moment. All of a sudden, you know, grand, just take a breath. And he's like, I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Chelsea Myers (50:32)
yeah, everybody is!

Yes.

Amy Orr - Youme (50:48)
Like we're all guilty of that, even those that are really like really good at like managing their emotions and showing emotions. Yeah. Even the best of us struggle from time to time. So I think it's so important to have these conversations with our kids as well. You know, like I explained to the girls in my workshops and the kids in my workshops that your feelings are valid and

Chelsea Myers (50:59)
Yeah.

Yeah, and it

Amy Orr - Youme (51:18)
You know your body better than anyone. You know your mind better than anyone else, you know, and it's so important that you have at least one person in your life that can advocate for you. the more you know about your body and the more you know about yourself, the more power you have. Do you know what mean when it comes to talking to other people or talking to a doctor?

Chelsea Myers (51:23)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (51:41)
Yeah, so hopefully I can kind of instill that in my kids as well, you know, ⁓ and I can be their person. Hopefully. Yeah, we'll see. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (51:46)
I think you're doing it by example.

Yeah, well, yeah. I mean, I do I get that impression. Like you advocated for yourself. It took you a while to get to where you are now. But that doesn't that doesn't invalidate that at all. And they got to witness that your kids got to witness that and see you make decisions for yourself and advocate

for yourself. like, ⁓ yeah, I think, again, like,

It's that inherent shame even in the journey, right? Like I've heard you say several times, like, well, I could have done it sooner or like, or I could have done this differently, but it doesn't, you got to where you are now because...

Amy Orr - Youme (52:26)
Yeah, 100%. Yeah. And hopefully

they're, my kids are young enough that they're not too scared.

Chelsea Myers (52:38)
mean, I think we all are gonna, we're, all gonna impart something for our kids to bring up in therapy when they're older. I think that's just part of being a parent. but you've said it, you've said it in so many ways, like you and your husband are setting this example of one, like, if there is a problem, we're gonna find a solution to

Amy Orr - Youme (52:39)
I'll probably block those. Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (53:05)
we're going to support

each other through that. Like your husband is supporting you when you are have, or you're dysregulated and you're supporting him when he is dysregulated. And really it's teaching by example. Like your kids see that they see that. I know that all of us, this is, I think I said this in my last podcast episode too, if you were listening to it, it's like, this is advice for me too. this isn't, yeah. Like I think,

Amy Orr - Youme (53:06)
Yeah, yeah. ⁓

Chelsea Myers (53:35)
I think it's

really easy for me to sit here and say exactly what I was going to say to you, which was we like to focus on our failings and think that that's all our kids are going to remember. Like they're just going to remember when I yelled at them. They're just going to remember when I told them no, when in reality, and there's a beautiful book about this, which I have to look up because of course I forgot the name of it. Their perception of us is so different than our own. ⁓

Amy Orr - Youme (53:45)
Yeah.

Yeah, yeah,

we don't remember any of that. Do you know what mean? mean, unless you were brought up in an abusive household, you know, I don't remember that one time my mum lost her head at us. Do you know what mean? I'm sure it happened a lot, know, for kids, know, 80s, 90s.

Chelsea Myers (54:06)
I mean...

I was gonna say, ⁓ it depends on the circumstances.

No. No!

Yeah, especially with oh

my god. Yeah, I'm an 80s baby too. yeah, and my

Amy Orr - Youme (54:29)
Like, you know, I mean, she used to,

yeah, there's the culture of like wooden spoon and slipper, you know, right.

Chelsea Myers (54:35)
I was literally just gonna say that. I was just going to say I have that memory of my mom being like, do I need to get the spoon? Like, no. But in the same breath, like, and like you talk about gentle parenting, which so many people don't understand, it's so much more about being upfront

and honest about where you're coming from.

Amy Orr - Youme (55:00)
Yeah,

yeah exactly. know it's like yeah instead of like I I think and I for a long time I talked gender-perioding I was like like you know obviously we don't slap our kids you know we got a couple of slaps growing up didn't do us any harm you know it's like you know yeah it didn't do me any harm but like

Chelsea Myers (55:02)
and then processing that and that's a gift to your kids and it's a gift to yourself.

Right.

Ha

Amy Orr - Youme (55:26)
Not my kids. mean, you know, I'll give them like a three second warning that I'm going to lose my shit if they don't stop. ⁓ And that seems to work. You know, but that's me communicating with them. Yes, I'm cursing, but they know using it appropriately. Yes, to convey emotion.

Chelsea Myers (55:35)
Yeah.

Yes, it is.

But I'm using it appropriately.

My question is, what do you

do? Cause this is what my three year olds doing. What do you do when you, when you get down to one and they don't care? You count down. like, I'm going to, you've got to the count of three and I count down three, two, one, and then nothing happens. And I'm like, well, shit, you really don't care. No, we.

Amy Orr - Youme (55:56)
I don't care, Dan.

I don't count down

ever. I'm like, I'm this close. I'm this close to losing it. Do you want mommy to lose it?

Chelsea Myers (56:23)
⁓ you froze for a second.

⁓ yeah, okay, I got you back. froze for a second, but I got you back. It's okay. It's okay. No, you said, but I did hear you say, you're like, I'm this close to losing it. ⁓

Amy Orr - Youme (56:29)
Oh, Yeah, I

don't know. I don't think it doesn't work. No, it's a second child. I don't know what it is about that second child. Oh, my God. Fearless. Like fearless. Zero.

Chelsea Myers (56:38)
It doesn't, it doesn't work. No, it worked with my first. It does not work with my second.

They're very different.

They're completely fearless. ⁓ yeah. ⁓

Amy Orr - Youme (56:55)
zero given. Like they just don't care. No. Yeah, they don't care. Borderline feral. Yeah, they are, aren't they? You know, it's funny, like my husband has a great theory. He's like essentially like, I mean, my

Chelsea Myers (56:57)
No, yeah, no zero Fs given none. ⁓ She is mighty hear her roar like she yeah. Yeah, they're just built different those second children are built different. Yes.

Amy Orr - Youme (57:22)
son and daughter, there's two of them, they spend 90 percent of their time together. know what mean? When I'm doing stuff, when I'm cleaning or whatever, or doing work from home, they're together all the time. So that second child is essentially being raised by a toddler or a child. And my husband's theory is that that's why they're great, you know, bonkers.

Chelsea Myers (57:39)
Yeah!

Yes. ⁓

Amy Orr - Youme (57:49)
You know and then if you go on

to have a third child then that crazy second child becomes a crazy middle child ⁓ I'm like ⁓ my god

Chelsea Myers (57:59)
youngest is just my gosh, no, I can't I

can't I can't even picture it. my gosh. ⁓ well, I'm gonna wind us around. I'm gonna wind us around. ⁓ I love episodes like this. And I love guests like you because like I said, like, I haven't looked at my notes once you you dove in head first and I'm so grateful and appreciative. Because that's what we need. We need people to feel

Amy Orr - Youme (58:06)
Yeah,

Chelsea Myers (58:27)
I don't even want to say confident because it may not be confident, but just being willing to be vulnerable and talk

about the hard things. And you did that. You did that. Yeah. And I also, this is a different podcast for a different day, but like, I so admire the work that you're doing in terms of period education. I wish that there were more programs like that here in the States. They kind of just don't exist. ⁓

Amy Orr - Youme (58:36)
Yeah. Well, thank you. Yeah. Mm-hmm. I

think that's universal, to be honest. Like, you know.

Chelsea Myers (58:59)
Yeah, I just so admire it because like

you said, it is empowering. gives you bodily autonomy in terms like you know your body and having sustainable period products like not having to shove something that's full of chemicals up inside you and not know anything about it. I just yeah so that's

Amy Orr - Youme (59:02)
Yeah.

Chelsea Myers (59:27)
It's off topic, but it's not because I appreciate what you're doing. And

I love it so much. Yeah, no, and all the evolutions that you've been through. I've loved getting to learn about you. I've loved getting to know you. ⁓ So I'm going to I always end my episodes by asking a question, and I don't choose it beforehand. And

Amy Orr - Youme (59:36)
Thank you. Yeah, it's been a laugh. Thank you very much.

Chelsea Myers (59:54)
I think for you, I'm struggling to choose which one, but I think what I'm going to ask is, you know what? I'm going to switch it up completely. I'm going to ask a brand new question that I've never asked before. Yeah, I'm going to test it out on you. Okay. So you don't, you obviously have no idea who my next guest is going to be. You don't know what their story is going to be and you don't know what their experience is going to be.

Amy Orr - Youme (1:00:05)
Okay. my God. Okay.

Uh-uh.

Chelsea Myers (1:00:23)
But you know, we all share this common thread of going through something. We've all been through something.

Amy Orr - Youme (1:00:28)
Uh-huh. Uh-huh.

Chelsea Myers (1:00:31)
What message, without knowing them, would you want to impart on my next guest?

Amy Orr - Youme (1:00:38)
⁓ And your next guest. This this kind of it kind of applies to. Your next guest, but also the listeners. And it's something that I always bring up at the start of my talk. It's so important to have at least one person in your life.

Chelsea Myers (1:00:44)
I know, it's tricky, it's tricky. This is one I've been thinking about for a while.

Yeah.

Amy Orr - Youme (1:01:05)
You can be completely open with whether it's spouse your best friend Teacher do you know what mean like an aunt as like we all just need that one person and Because that would you know you can 100 % rely on when you're going through it Whatever it is whatever that is and Yeah

Chelsea Myers (1:01:13)
Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

I love that. It makes perfect sense. Yeah. And so like, I've been thinking about this question for a long time and you felt like the perfect person to ask. And I'm going to, maybe this is gonna start a chain reaction. When I see my next guest, I'm gonna say, hey, my last guest had a message for you and this is what it was. And I think that's beautiful. You have to have just at least one person. You have to have a person. Yes.

Amy Orr - Youme (1:01:36)
Does that make sense? that answer the question? Okay.

We all deserve to have just one,

a person, you know, we can break down. You know, they've seen the snot bubbles, zero judgment. You know, I think it.

Chelsea Myers (1:02:05)
Yeah, absolutely. Yes! No judgment.

Ugh, exactly. You can roar like a dinosaur in front of them. ⁓

Amy Orr - Youme (1:02:21)
⁓

Also triceratops is my favorite dinosaur. To answer your question, your next question. Thank you for having me on.

Chelsea Myers (1:02:23)
Yes, try Stereotypes.

Yes, Triceratops. Well, Amy, it has been an absolute delight chatting with you. I

so appreciate your vulnerability and I know your story is going to resonate with so many people. So thank you.

Amy Orr - Youme (1:02:44)
It's been really lovely actually. Really therapeutic. Free therapy.

Chelsea Myers (1:02:45)
you

Fabulous! Free therapy! Alright. Alright,

I'm hitting stop.