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Unhinged + Unfiltered: Who gave them a mic?
#44 - Can AI REALLY Replace Therapy?
The digital age has transformed nearly every aspect of our lives, but can artificial intelligence truly replicate the depth and nuance of human connection in therapeutic relationships?
Steph and Lurinda tackle this provocative question head-on, exploring whether tools like ChatGPT could potentially replace human therapists and coaches. Drawing from their extensive experience working with clients, they unpack the fundamental differences between AI-generated responses and the irreplaceable value of genuine human connection.
While acknowledging AI's impressive capabilities for providing information and initial guidance, the hosts identify critical limitations that prevent technology from truly replicating therapeutic relationships. AI misses roughly 70% of communication – the body language, tone shifts, energy patterns, and nervous system responses that trained coaches instinctively read. ChatGPT might validate your perspective as your digital "bestie," but it won't challenge your blind spots or notice when your story doesn't quite add up.
The conversation delves into the profound healing that happens when we're truly witnessed by another human being. That moment when a coach picks up on subtle cues you didn't even realise you were displaying, or creates a safe container for processing emotions rather than intellectualising them. This embodied wisdom and intuitive connection simply cannot be replicated through algorithms, no matter how sophisticated.
For coaches listening, there's a powerful call to evolution – knowledge alone is no longer enough in a world where information is instantly accessible. The future of coaching lies in transformation through connection, in the embodied wisdom that comes from lived experience rather than data points.
Whether you're curious about AI's potential, seeking personal growth support, or a helping professional yourself, this thought-provoking episode offers valuable perspectives on the irreplaceable magic of human connection in our increasingly digital world.
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Speaker 3:Welcome back to another episode of unhinged and unfiltered, and today we are. We're going to talk about something that might ruffle a couple of feathers, but we were just chatting about whether or not we think that chat gpt, slash ai, could take over the therapeutic space, because I'm sure that you know people like this, when I know a couple of my clients who get into chat GPT to unpack things, to talk about things. Like I, we uncovered a attachment style for one of my clients and then she went into chat GPpt and talked about it and like, in that instance, I don't necessarily think that was a bad thing, because chat gpt realistically probably knows more about fucking attachment styles than what I do. Um, I've read a couple books, I've read some articles, blah, blah, blah, but, like therapists can't know everything about everything. Firstly, and it's great if you're seeking information, it is good for that and I think that this is also a call for the therapist If you're just giving out information about, like, what an attachment style is, chat GPT can do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we were talking about it, because I did this workshop the other day with another coach and it was talking about how the next generation of coaches and even ourselves are like knowledge is no longer power for us, right?
Speaker 1:Like I remember when I first got into coaching, I had coaches and I would learn so many things.
Speaker 1:I'd learn about the nervous system and you know there was like the RAS and you know how our brain filters things, and I paid somebody to teach me those things. But the the problem is is I could pay a subscription I think it's like what $31 a month or some shit to know these things now, right, so, as coaches, we're also being called to a new level of embodied wisdom, wisdom that we've had from our experiences and our teachings, and that deeper connection with our clients, because my clients can go and just Google a bunch of shit, type it into AI and already know. Yeah, it's just so wild now that, like the amount of information that we have at our fingertips. So, like coaches, we're not going to be able to sell knowledge anymore. We have to sell transformations, we have to make sure that we have that connection and we can, you know, meet the person. But we were talking about like are they going to replace us? And I actually feel confident that they're not.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I think we were definitely talking about whether or not they could kind of replace that talk therapy, that space where you can unpack yeah, potentially, like I have seen them do pretty good jobs. But then the other piece of this is what's the intention of ChatGPT? So when my clients come to me with a problem, my intention is to get to the bottom of it, whether that is that they are at fault or if someone else is at fault or if there's things there that we need to work with. But chat gpt in a lot of cases is like, yes, bestie, like you're the best person ever. Like, oh my god, how dare that person do that to you? Blah, blah, blah, blah, and they'll really hype you up and they'll really validate you. And so like, oh my god, no, you're, you're in the right, you're definitely in the right. Like your best friend should not have said that to you, your boyfriend cheating on you, what an absolute piece of shit. It's basically your best friend in a computer.
Speaker 3:And I can see why that's appealing, because, especially if you are in one of those toxic relationships where you're on again, off, off again, on again, off again, and your friends are starting to be like bro, what are you doing. You can go and unpack with chat GPT. Chat GPT isn't going to call you out and be like, oh my God, this guy again. It's going to be like, okay, yeah, like what's happening, let's talk about it. So I can definitely see the appeal from that perspective, not to mention again that it does know a lot of things. It remembers everything that you say, all of those sorts of things.
Speaker 3:So if your therapist is not kind of in tune with you, if they don't really know you very well, if they're just kind of going in, out in, out in, out in out in terms of clients, yeah, you're probably in fucking trouble. But what concerns me about this and this is probably my biggest concern well, there's multiple, but this is probably the biggest one is we saw what COVID did in terms of not having people with us, not having people near us, and human beings are community people. We need other people around us. It's just the way that we're wired and my concern is that, especially our introverts, for our people that do struggle a little bit socially, you're not going to need to push because you've just got chat GPT that act like your best friend. And my concern there is that it will bring people like that into bigger holes, into bigger struggles, because they don't have to deal with people.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. And the other thing that I was thinking about as well is when you go into, like when you have a coach or when you have a therapist and stuff, we pick up on your energy, we pick up on your body cues, we pick up on how, like your tone of voice right, I use chat GPT to help me like with like structuring sentences in my emails and like and content and like just somebody to like bounce off when I just have an idea and I don't know how to do it. But the thing that it doesn't pick up on is my tone of voice. It doesn't pick up when I am like really passionate about something. It doesn't pick up those like subtle, like subtle cues that coaches and therapists do, and that's why it's really important, like when you have, as like we're online coaches, so like a lot of it's zoom, you have to have your camera on like it doesn't pick up on those things. And the other thing that like we were talking about was are you literally using it to validate your feelings? And the more that you use that to validate your feelings, the more disconnected you become, because if you can't even validate your own feelings and you have to use AI to do that, then you're not really listening to yourself. And then the other piece is I feel like it takes away a lot of self-responsibility because you're only going to tell it what it needs to hear. And this is the same thing even with coaches. If you are not going to tell it what it needs to hear and this is the same thing even with coaches If you are not going to tell it all of it, right, say, you've just had a bad breakup.
Speaker 1:Did you tell ChatGPT that you screamed at him? Did you tell it that you were anxiously attached that time and sent him 52 messages in 52 minutes? You tell him all the nuances of this. Or did you just say my boyfriend is a piece of shit? Yeah, where? If you were to say that to me, I'm gonna ask the hard questions. I'm gonna ask those questions because I can tell that when you tell me that there's something else there, I can feel energetically. Whether you're a woo or not doesn't really matter that something else is there. You know that, feelingically, whether you're a woo or not doesn't really matter that something else is there. You know that feeling when you walk into a room and suddenly the energy's off and you're like, oh fuck, someone's had a fight. Before we walk into the room we can feel that, yeah, with you it's not only just that, though.
Speaker 3:like we deal with people all day, every day, so I know if the story that you're telling me does not fucking add up, and I'm like, hang on a minute. You've told me that this person just told you that it was over, fucking took your record player or whatever and bailed and you did nothing. Come on love, that's not how it works. So then we start to, we start to delve, we start to dig and we start to ask questions, and then you answer a question and that triggers something else in our brain and we go huh, interesting. So what, like? What more can you tell me about that? And yes, chat gpt, because there is no. Like you can't use the silences, you can't use the pauses, you can't use the. You know, I love to give my clients a face sometimes when I know that they're talking bullshit, and I'm just like mm-hmm yeah, I have the face too.
Speaker 1:It's so funny.
Speaker 3:At retreat last year they were like and there's the face, and there's the face and it's like I know you're bullshitting me, but chat GPT doesn't know that, because it's not a human being yeah, but even like nervous system responses as well, I think is like for chat gpt to fully us one you would have to understand all of the body languages.
Speaker 1:But also like it doesn't know all of your conditioning right. It has a generic thing of fight, flight, fawn, freeze, all of those things right, but I can tell when you're about to bolt out of your chair. I can tell that when you've started to shut down right, and then we will navigate that. Do we actually need to put you back into regulation, because I'm very passionate about being like let's not band-aid this shit. Maybe you're dysregulated and you need to be in that experience. Or is it that we do need to bring you back? Chachi peter is not going to know that.
Speaker 3:No, and when you're talking.
Speaker 1:Sorry, yeah, no, it's just like what's the intention for us? It's like cool, where the intention for us is to meet you where you're at when you go to ai. Is it because you're bypassing something?
Speaker 3:yeah, and when you're talking, obviously we know mindset is is so important, like it's such an important thing, and if your mindset is cooked, your life is cooked as far as I'm concerned. But there is a lot of the time where that surface level just talking, talking, talking, talking through things firstly can just make it worse because you're just talking about the same thing over and over and over again and just keeps you in that same fucking pattern. But we know so many situations where people will come to us and I'm a bit like this. I am a very self-aware human. It pisses my coach off because I will literally sit there and I will coach myself. I'll be like, oh yeah, I'm doing this, but that's probably because of this. And then when I do that, it's because I'm feeling like this and I don't want to feel that.
Speaker 3:She's like what's the point of me even being here? I'm like, no, no, you're my sounding board. But that self-awareness does not undo my patterns, because there are still plenty of patterns, there are still plenty of coping mechanisms, there are still plenty of things that I do that I don't want to do. But I can't stop myself because it's not about what's in my conscious mind and this is the issue. Right is that you can only give chat GPT what is in your conscious mind? A lot of what we do is looking way deeper than that. Yeah, and like can you find it? Yeah, you can journal, you can find journal prompts. Like you could ask it for journal prompts and go looking for things like that, but like it's gonna take you a hell of a lot fucking longer yeah probably won't get you to the depth of it at the end.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also think about that as well as because obviously you can just ask it for a process or whatever. But part of like, especially with my clients and the women that I work with, part of their healing journey is to be seen. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Like witness during their process, witness during their anger, witness during their pain and their happiness and their joy. So like I don't actually believe that AI can replace us, because I get to witness so many beautiful things and that is actually a really big healing experience for women. I think, when what do I believe it can do for us? I believe it can also be a tool, right, and it's the exact same thing with the mindset tools. You have the reframing, you have the gratitude, you have the journaling they're actually really fucking great tools and I use them with all of my clients. Journaling they're actually really fucking great tools and I use them with all of my clients, but as tools, like you've got your dinner in front of you. You need a knife and fork right, the the dinner is the process, it's the embodiment, it's the semantics, but how do you, how do you also feed that and use that properly? Well, your gratitude for people who struggle with happiness right now, like the reframing, for people who are learning to think a little bit more positively instead of being the victim, like the journaling, so that you can really start to see what's playing out here. Right, it's those things that really help us and I think like AI is going to help you find more information. I think that if you're going to a coach to be educated, like in regards to healing, I don't think that's the right intention anymore. I think the intention needs to be I know that there's something here. I know I have awareness around these pieces. I can understand my conditioning, I can understand all of this, but something's not fucking changing. That's what we do. That's what the next generation of coaches need to be about, because like and it comes I also see this a lot, and it was very much Steph and I as well like we kept learning and learning and learning and learning.
Speaker 1:But the thing is we had to, we had to do the sessions, we had to do the, the hard yards, like we had to start with clients being like I have no fucking idea where this is going to go, but trust ourselves because I don't get on client calls anymore and teach. I get on and I, we, we do processes or we talk and even like talking is a process in itself because a lot of people have issues with their voice and their truth and and being seen and all of that. But I think it's really important that, like Steph said, it's the human connection, it's it's the embodiment, it's having the awareness and actually doing something about it. Because the other piece here is a lot of my clients actually know what they need to do. They actually know they've been through it before and it's the breaking of the pattern.
Speaker 1:But having somebody to you know I was thinking about this the other day as well like I don't know if you heard it a lot, steph where coaches are like I'm not going to be here to hold your hand, I'm not going to be here to hold your hand, you've got to do do the work. Like I'm not a hand holder and I was thinking about the other day and I'm like I will hold your hand.
Speaker 3:Yeah, 100%.
Speaker 1:And I think that's the thing that's changing as well of like you're allowed to have your fucking hand hold like held. Why?
Speaker 3:Yeah, like we all know. We all know, if you think about it right when you're trying to start a new gym routine, how easy is it when your alarm goes off at 5 am and people are like, fuck that, I'm not doing that. But if your best mate is sitting out the front in her car being like, bitch, get up. I remember that's what I used to do before I had children. We would go okay, cool, we're going to the gym as early as possible so that we couldn't cancel. And I would like, if I knew that my friend would be there at 5 30, I would set my alarm for 5 15. So by the time I woke up she was already on her way, so I couldn't cancel. So we're a lot less likely to cancel on ourselves if we know that somebody is over our shoulder, keeping us accountable, watching what we're doing, all of the things. When it comes to us, we're really good at letting ourselves down, like really good at letting ourselves down. But I mean even I think about my kids, my kids. But my second and third kids were intolerant to well, the first one was dairy. The second one was intolerant to the world. There's no way that I would have given up dairy for a year. If it hadn't have been for the fact that my son got really, really upset, there's no way that I would have given up everything that I did with my daughter. Like people were saying to me you're too skinny, you've lost too much weight. I was like I just want to eat. But you will do those things for your kids, you will do those things for your partner, for your friends, like you will show up for them. But how much are you showing up for you? And this is the thing. Right is the other piece of this. There's so many pieces of this, but the other piece of this is just for me, from from my perspective.
Speaker 3:I tend to be quite a hard, blunt coach where I am not going to avoid the difficult questions because it's going to make you uncomfortable. However, there is not always the call for that. Sometimes my clients need to be validated and sometimes they need to be loved and to be held and they need that, like nurturing mom energy, which I do also have in me. It's not how I coach as like a first off the bat kind of thing, but I can bring that out and chat. Gpt is so. You can't sit there and go right. I want you to be like this hard ass, blunt, blah, blah, blah, because half the time you don't know what type of coach you need.
Speaker 1:You know? What's funny, though, is that you could literally do that and be hey, I want you to be blunt, and then they're gonna ask you a question and you're like, not that blunt, yeah, exactly because, like you can fucking walk away from it.
Speaker 3:If chat gpt asks you a question that hits a little bit too close to home, you can just like, fuck, I'm out, like I'm just gonna walk away from my computer. Oh so the baby's crying can't deal with that. You're in a session with me and you're like I don't want to answer that question. I'm like too fucking bad answer it or you go.
Speaker 1:Well, why? Why is it too hard to answer today? Yeah, why tell me more.
Speaker 3:What's under?
Speaker 3:that or like, yeah, just like it's the look on your face, because I know, when we're talking about communication, something like 65 or 70% of communication is not the words that you are speaking. So when you are using AI, you are missing about 70% of your communication. It is not watching your face flush when a question is asked, it is not watching your eyes go in different directions, it is not listening yet to the tonality of your voice, to the speed of your voice, not listening yet to the tonality of your voice, to the speed of your voice, to the volume of your voice, because it doesn't get any of that. And we notice that, like my clients will say things to me sometimes and I'm like what's that emotion, though, that you're trying to avoid? And they're like, how the fuck did you even see that? I'm like, are you fucking kidding me? It was like a red flag waving over your head.
Speaker 1:but they don't even realize, and chat gpt certainly can't see that, because it's you're typing yeah, yeah, I think there's so many pros and cons of all of it and I think that we're very lucky to have so much technology at our hands and so much knowledge and the thing there is so many beautiful benefits, like one as a business owner, it it really does help me. It helps me plan and schedule and do all of those things. But if I wouldn't even consider it for me to replace it, as like my coaches because one you do need that human experience and you do need somebody who's going to meet you where you're at, and there's going to be times we need somebody to push you, because the other thing that I just literally just dropped into my head is that people like, especially when it comes to shadow work people are mirrors. What is ChatGPT going to mirror back to you? You Right, it's going to mirror back that you have to outsource and you get to bypass other humans, that you get to bypass meaning yourself. You get to bypass meaning yourself to go for knowledge instead of feeling. And I think, if you're using it as your therapist, and maybe it's a really great step for you just to start to use your voice if you don't actually have a safe space to express these things, but I don't think it should be there for that long. Right, I know that when I like my coach, she mirrors back so many pieces that I like the golden shadows and the shadows that I can see in myself.
Speaker 1:I wouldn't get that if I didn't have somebody in front of me, if I didn't have an actual human in front of me to go. Holy shit, I feel really intimidated, or holy shit, I feel really jealous, or holy shit. I don't feel like I believe in that right where chat GPT is just going to be whoever you want it to be. Yeah, yeah, you're creating it with your own projections. Hey, can you ask me really blunt questions? Wait, can you just soften the blow a little bit? I don't really want to talk about that today. Let's about this instead, because that feels better. Hey, can you write me a process? I'm going to do this process and I'm going to do it half-assed because no one else can see me. Yeah, it really lacks having that accountability and responsibility 100 percent.
Speaker 3:And the thing as well is like as coaches because both of us work in long-term containers we get to know you. So, yeah, with my clients, a lot of my clients end up becoming my friends, like they send me fucking memes and shit. I love it, I'm here for it. I know, I love them so much like I care for them so so deeply. But I also get to know them and I get to know when to push them, when not to push them, when to back off and when to go fucking hard steam straight through the front door like no, we are doing this today, you are not avoiding this today. And the other piece as well is especially like certainly from the breath work perspective, but definitely in shadow work as well, because I have seen this happen during process is that if you're going into a process like that, it is really really fucking easy to retraumatize yourself, like really easy. And you need somebody there who knows what they're doing, who is able to pull you back out of that, who is able to sketch around that little bits and pieces so that we can get to what's behind it, because there's that big dark thing that's sitting right there and that's all that you can see and you're missing everything that's behind it. That's the point. But if you don't have some, I mean, I definitely find as well.
Speaker 3:Sometimes my coach gives me stuff like that. She's like oh, you should do this and you should what does she call it? I don't know she was trying to get me to do something. And she goes have you done it yet? And I was like, honestly, I really really hate doing that stuff on my own. I get distracted, my mind goes and again chat, gpt or whoever's made your process. If it's fucking talking out loud in that hello, my name is. Like in that computer voice it can't change its tonality depending on where you're at. Like I'm going to get distracted and I'm going to go off and do things. It can't pull me back because it doesn't know. And like we tend to, we, we ask questions, you give us an answer and then we ask more questions based off of that answer. Like you can't get that back and forth in the middle of process if you're like oh, hang on a second, I've just gotta like, drop back out of this meditation so that I can ride into chat gpt. I need you to ask me this question like, come on.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I also think like, when it comes to like breath work and shadow work and those processes, there's still a level of like cognitive awareness that you're going to have if you're doing it by yourself, because you're like you're not going to run yourself through the script.
Speaker 1:Like I think, like I do a lot of somatic tracking and stuff and somatic dialoguing and I think that's beautiful of like finding the emotion and just like pulling the threads. But if you're going into a breath work, like I think that's beautiful of like finding the emotion and just like pulling the threads. But if you're going into a breath work, like I think about it straight away, like the tetany, right, which is like the energy in the hands and like you know, you become a little crab and cause your breath and all of these things. But like you, there is some like pieces of like almost danger, right, like the re-traumatization, the tetany, the not being able to get yourself back, like having somebody to hold you was really important. And yeah, and like I was doing a process the other day and I thought I was moving through something kind of I was like, yeah, I'm doing A to B right, like if I was to do this by myself'd go to a to b, but then my coach seen something, and it must have been the way I had my eyes closed, it must have been the way I moved my body, and then she pulled that thread and I'm like, oh fuck, like I didn't, I didn't know that was there, but somatically she can see it. Yeah, so then she's just pulling, where, if you're by yourself, you only have like like one perspective.
Speaker 1:Yeah right, having somebody else there there's, there's going to be another perspective of being able to be held and to move through things on a deeper level, and I also think it's really good to have like we're just now talking about how amazing coaching is but like to have somebody there to to pull the threads that you don't really want to be pulled and also to notice like the shutdown now, the shutdown is not actually a bad thing you like I've been talking about this for a little while now with my clients but like, if your body is like shutting down and you you're feeling bad about it, it's like that's what your body's meant to do, though, because it's to keep you safe. So when it shuts down in a process, I've hit a wall, but I would not have been able to hit that wall without somebody there to to like navigate me to that wall, yeah, yeah, so that's kind of like allowing you to see those things.
Speaker 1:So I think I feel like we've done a really great job to explain why it's really important. Yeah, of somebody, yeah, but yeah, I think, in a nutshell, I, I really love AI for so many different things and I think it allows us to have deeper knowledge. And you know, I feel like, when it comes to deeper knowledge, I just think, as a parent, means that the next generation can have more knowledge to do what they need to do and continue to learn.
Speaker 3:But it's not going to replace us, because you need the embodiment, yeah, you need the somatics, you need the human connection, you need your own responsibility yeah, and I mean honestly, I've, like, I've got chat gpt pretty well trained because I do use it a lot for content, um, mainly for ideas and stuff like that. I don't generally, sometimes I'll use it for captions, but I will then go through and edit whatever it's spat out, because some of the stuff it spits out I'm like, bro, you know me pretty fucking well, you know what I talk about. What the fuck is this shit? This is terrible and it'll put in things that I would never say. It would put in things that are not true, that it's gotten from somewhere online.
Speaker 3:And this is the other piece as well, many pieces. Is remembering that you? It says it says it that chat gpt can make mistakes because there is a lot of misinformation online and chat gpt has no discernment. It can't sit there and go oh, I wonder if that's true and put like a logical filter on it. It just reads this article that says you know, fucking, I don't know, yeah, like eggs cause cancer or some bullshit, whatever they were saying a couple of years ago. And oh, okay, eggs cause cancer. So you've probably got cancer because you eat a bunch of eggs. No, probably not. It's probably not a thing, but it can't put. It can't put that through its filters and go. Does this make sense? Is this true? It can't do any of that, whereas we can.
Speaker 3:And there's also the piece of like I I get from a perspective of um, you know, it's there straight away if you do need to unpack things and you don't have to wait for someone to respond to you. You don't have to wait for a call, all of those sorts of things. But again, I echo what rin said around. It really concerns me about the way that you can just get validated and it can just keep you in that victim state or in that, in that pattern, because it's just going to tell you yeah, no, you're doing the right thing. You should definitely be doing that. You should definitely continue doing that. It's not going to go hang on a second. Yeah, that sounds fucking cooked like. Why are you doing that? It's not going to ask you stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and something else that just like dropped in for me as well is. So I'm not sure about you, steph, but I have with my clients, like one of the boundaries is that I will reply within like 24 hours. Like I'm Monday to Friday, will like could take a day to reply, and I also, like when I start with me, I really just like remind them that if I don't reply straight away, it's because there's something that you need to sit with. Yeah, right, so if you go through something and immediately go to, like a lot of the time what happens with my clients is they go through something and then they message me and I'll respond a little bit later, right, and there's that permission piece of like self-responsibility and self-trust and I I see it, and then a few hours later I'll check in and be like oh yeah, it's okay, I'm good now.
Speaker 1:I just kind of sat with the emotion side of things, where, if you're running to chat GPT, to then ask questions, to intellectualise the situation straight away, one you don't, it's like once again taking away the responsibility, but you're bypassing the emotion, yeah, which is going to be stored in your body. We all know this. It's going to come out at manifest as something crazy and there's going to be a pattern now that you rely on the knowledge rather than the feeling, because the feeling is an experience and you need to experience that in the moment, or maybe your body will shut down. You need to experience that in the moment, or maybe your body will shut down and you need to experience it a little bit later. It can give you knowledge, but look at your intention. Are you constantly having situations in your life that you need to run to AI to understand why that situation keeps happening? So I very much am like the experience matters. It really does matter, and I don't think that any AI stuff can really help us with feeling. Yeah.
Speaker 1:You need to feel it, you need to embody that experience wherever you're at, whether it's a shutdown or not. But just look at like how often you're kind of using that right now. I don't use it for any emotion stuff. I use it just really for helping, like my very ADHD brain plan things and like grammar and just me talking to it about the things. I literally wrote my retreat packing list with chat GPT because I was like in the car and I'm like I just need you to transcript this so I know what to pack yeah, 100%, and for stuff like that, brilliant, like I, I do.
Speaker 3:I also have that. Well, I don't know if it's ADHD, but we're pretty sure it is, but anyway. Um, I also have that very busy brain where I have wonderful ideas, but I'm a yapper and I just cannot keep it fucking simple. So sometimes I will yap about something for 10 minutes and be like and I want you to include this and this and this and this, and what about this? And blah, blah, blah much like the podcasts and I'm like can you please simplify this for me, because I'm struggling on that part.
Speaker 3:It's great for things like that, where your brain is struggling, and the integration piece of this, friends, is that then we look at the 10 minutes of ramble, that it's turned into three sentences and we go okay, cool, that's how I could simplify that next time. So then the next time you've got a 10 minute ramble or you've got this particular problem, instead of running straight to chat GPT to do it going. Oh, I wonder if I could actually do this myself. Yeah, could I maybe simplify this myself? Could I go somewhere else looking for this? Is this bypassing a particular emotion? Am I trying to validate? Like, have I just had a massive fight with my husband and I'm trying to, you know, like go to my best friends and be like oh my god, he did this, what an absolute piece of crap. And chat gpt is gonna be like oh my god girl, like what the fuck? When really you were being a fucking psychopath.
Speaker 3:Just a little bit maybe you're in your luteal phase, yeah he was probably being a bit of a dick too, but, like it's, it's not going to come at you with things like that because it's it's being the dog, it's being the faithful dog and it knows exactly what you want. It knows that you're coming to it for validation. It knows that you're coming to it to say that you're right, and blah, blah, blah. It's not gonna help, besties, stop it.
Speaker 1:So, in a nutshell, that's how we feel about AI.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so beneficial.
Speaker 3:Yeah, look, I think it's got a lot of great tools and if you are using it for things like this and it's working for you, call me. At the end of the day, you do. You.
Speaker 1:We're not sitting here telling you what you should and shouldn't be doing, but, yeah, I also think there's a piece here around like the finance side of things as well, totally Because, like, we're not ignorant to the fact that our one-to-one coaching is not something that everyday people not I mean, I have a lot of mums and stuff like that, but not everyone prioritises to afford or can afford really. And I feel like it would be good to touch on this, because I was talking to my coach the other day and we were talking about the market Chat to chat like AI. I can't even talk today Chat to chat.
Speaker 1:It's Monday, everybody and I have retreat in like 48 hours um, but it costs like 31 a month, a year, a month yeah but like, look at the benefits of like, going into coaching.
Speaker 1:And yes, I'm not saying go and spend thousands of dollars, that's not what I'm asking you to do but I have noticed a trend again in the coaching that things are starting in, prices are starting to come down again. Right, we went through a huge influx that everything was so high ticket. Right, there was, you wanted, you want to change, you had to invest in high ticket and I just don't think that's the trend right now. I think the trend is coming back into you need to have low ticket, medium ticket, high ticket stuff and there's a lot of value in the low ticket stuff. And I know Steph has done free workshops. I've done free workshops. I literally signed up to two last week, um, and then there's low ticket. I did a low ticket workshop the other day. I have a low ticket membership. Steph's been doing healing you, which I believe is your mid ticket, yeah, yeah, yeah, like there's so many options now that has different prices and I think that I I would rather invest in the human experience and spend 30 a month or 30 a week or 300 a month to actually feel the embodiment side of things. So it's always like having a look about the trends and I think it's coming down. You'll notice more and more workshops are coming out.
Speaker 1:Around this time of the year. It tends to go huge again for like free workshops or events or that. So finances is the thing that's like really kicking in the gut. And Steph, and I definitely feel that sometimes have a look at other people, have a look at the different things that are happening right now and where you can meet more humans, right, and we always try and keep our stuff pretty reasonable because we put a lot of effort into our coaching.
Speaker 1:Like there's a lot of things that you don't see behind the scenes.
Speaker 1:Like just to run this business, even though it is online, is a very expensive thing, but we always try and make sure that there's options. Like Just to run this business, even though it is online, is a very expensive thing, but we always try and make sure that there's options. Like we have really flexible payment plans. Like so like I know that I've had clients for over like 18 months now who still pay me here like every week, like under $100 for some things, because that's just what they can afford. So just have a look at that as well, if that's like a a big thing, because I know a lot of people can't afford that and obviously it's cheaper to use it and I think it also has the free version where you can use so many questions before it kicks you out and you have to wait 24 hours. But yeah, I just wanted to talk to that as well, because we definitely we understand that and it's not always easy to be in an environment where you can't afford things right now.
Speaker 3:Yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, we definitely know that. It's definitely a thing and yeah, if it's all that you can do, fine. But just be aware of those pitfalls, be aware of the intentions and just be aware if you are using it as a crux and you're just a little bit too obsessed with ChatGPT and just remembering that you are talking to artificial intelligence, it is not another human being that messages you back straight away, as much as it feels like it is sometimes. But yeah, do we think that ChatGPT is going to take over our jobs? I think we'll be okay yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, we hope you love this episode and, as always, feel free to leave a review. Share it with people, even opinions that you have, because we're really open to that. I only use chat gpt for certain aspects, so if there's something that you feel like we've missed, then we'd love to talk to you for sure, absolutely.
Speaker 3:We're all so like I would love to chat to you about this because I think it's such a fascinating topic yeah I'd love to chat to people about, and hear your opinions and all of the things for sure. But yes, that is the end of this episode for today and we will catch you next time. Thank you so much for joining us. We've absolutely loved being here with you today.
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