The Chart Within: Astrology as a Path to Inner Knowing featuring Kelli McAllister

In this episode, Kelli and I find deep joy in diving beneath the surface of Western astrology, using each chart as a mirror to reflect the soul’s journey. For us, astrology is far more than a personality profile. It Is a sacred language that reveals the energetic blueprint we chose before entering this life. Each planet, house, and aspect tells a story: of past wounds, present potential, and future callings. As we sit together, chart in hand, we listen with our hearts, honoring the patterns and possibilities that unfold like a cosmic map guiding one home to self.

In our conversation, we ask: What is the soul yearning to learn in this lifetime? Where are the invitations to heal, to grow, to expand? She shares how  each chart is not a fixed fate, but a dynamic dance between destiny and free will. The symbols become gateways, offering insight into karmic themes, ancestral imprints, and the evolutionary edge of one’s being. Together, we explore with reverence, curiosity, and a shared belief that astrology, when approached with depth and integrity, is one of a profound tool for inner awakening and soul remembrance. 

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SPEAKER_01: 1:17

Welcome to today's episode of Unapologetic Living. I get to have my friend back, Kelly McAllister. She is a retreat facilitator and astrologer, helping those to find their purpose, to connect people with their unique expression, exploring questions about why they are who they are, their purpose, what they're about, their unique contribution, and how they can help facilitate healing in others. So welcome.

SPEAKER_02: 1:55

Thank you so much, Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_01: 1:58

It's always good to see your face. I know you moved all the way from Louisville to the Teton Valley.

SPEAKER_02: 2:04

That's right. Yeah, it was quite the journey.

SPEAKER_01: 2:10

Yeah, I admire you for doing that. That's a big move. It's courageous.

SPEAKER_02: 2:17

Oh, thanks. It was just, it seemed like it was the right time and the right place. So somebody said recently, some things just stick in your head, you know, little phrases that people say. Somebody said when they first came here, God tapped them on the shoulder. And that's kind of how I felt too.

SPEAKER_01: 2:36

Nice. I love that. So you were inspired by intuition.

SPEAKER_02: 2:40

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01: 2:42

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 2:43

I definitely felt the pull.

SPEAKER_01: 2:46

So I know that you have been a Jill of many traits.

SPEAKER_02: 2:51

That's right. Yep. I've pretty done a lot of different things.

SPEAKER_01: 2:55

But astrology has been sort of in your, you know, background for a while. It

SPEAKER_02: 3:04

has. I was, I first had my chart done in, I think it was 1994 by a friend of mine. I was in grad school at the time and he had graduated from grad school. I believe he had a degree in geology, but he was an astrologer on the side and he presented me with my chart. And remember those old folder report folders, they were like made of vinyl and they were different colors and they have the little thing that kind of zip down the edge. Yeah. And I still have it. And when he gave it to me, I didn't really know what it meant. I knew my son's line was Taurus. I knew I was a Taurus, but that was about it. So being a Taurus, I'm slow. It definitely takes a long time for things to unfold in my life. And it was like a seed that at one point it germinated and then it continued to grow. And I started, I guess the first astrologer who really influenced me, his name is Eric Francis Coppolino. He's a journalist and he has a site called Planet Waves. He also has been talking about Tantra and things like that for years and years. And he talked about astrology in a way that I'd never really heard anybody else talk about it. It was much more in depth. Like he... He does predictive astrology. He wrote, he writes monthly horoscopes, you know, kind of old school style for the sun signs. But he could, the way he spoke about Taurus, you know, he could talk about Taurus for like an hour and all the different characteristics and qualities of Taurus. And he said, you know, Taurus is like, a blacksmith shop. Like on the surface, you look at a tourist and you see a very conservative looking, maybe mild mannered, whatever, maybe vanilla kind of person. But he said underneath there's this blacksmith shop and there's like all this fire and there's these tools being forged and this incredible transformational process is happening. It's all happening below the surface and nobody can see it. And I was like, wow, I have never heard anybody talk about an astrological sign like that. And it really like, it spoke to me. And so I started following him and learned a lot from him actually. And then let's see, and then I found Tom Lesher, He goes by Kaipacha and he does a weekly Pele report. He's older now. He's probably in his sixties and he's been doing the weekly Pele report for years and years and years. And he travels all over the world. And he too, just, he's a Steiner, a Rudolph Steiner devotee or he's, he taught at a Waldorf school for a while. So I really resonated with him as well. And he gets into the, the, the more spiritual aspects of astrology. So love to that.

SPEAKER_01: 6:30

And so, and so when you say you're helping others now connect with their purpose, you're, you are an astrologer. You read charts. Well, actually we, you read my chart,

SPEAKER_02: 6:46

right? I did.

SPEAKER_01: 6:47

Yeah. Um, and it's definitely, uh, really interesting. And I know we recorded that. Didn't we record that?

SPEAKER_02: 6:59

You may have recorded it. I think you did. You said you wanted to.

SPEAKER_01: 7:04

I want to be able to go back. I need to now that we're here. It reminds me that I need to go back and listen to that because so much of it made sense and resonated. I think that was back in August.

SPEAKER_02: 7:19

Mm hmm. Yeah, I look at astrology from a spiritual point of view in the sense that and Rudolph Steiner talks about the planets as like energies or influences that we see here on Earth and that we also they exist in the spiritual realms. And I know that you believe that before you come to Earth, you choose your parents, right? Oh, yeah. Okay, so similarly, Steiner says that in the period between death and rebirth or reincarnation, the soul has contact with all of those planetary energies. So the soul makes contact with sun, the moon, Venus, Jupiter, and so on. And from each planet, the soul gets a certain aspect of their next incarnation. So for example, from Mars, he says the soul gets a moral impulse. So like a courageous moral impulse. And you either get that courageous moral impulse or you choose in your next incarnation to not have that kind of courage in this lifetime. And so from the moon, he says we get our imaginative faculty. And from Venus, we get our capacity to love and so on. And so each planet becomes this representation of your gifts and abilities or your deficiencies, which you can always work on because none of this is fatalistic. Like it's not, nothing's written in stone. And so that's the power of really knowing your chart is you can see where like, okay, that's actually a weakness that I have. And how can I work on that? And I like to think of astrology as more, and this isn't always true. There are young people who are old souls, but in general, young people are not very objective about themselves. They tend to be, you know, they're just living it, right? They're living their experience and they don't necessarily want to take that step back and look at, Oh, what are my strengths and weaknesses and things like that. But when you reach a certain point in your life, you are more able to do that.

SPEAKER_01: 12:35

So what, you know, that's funny. You mentioned that we've been reading Think and Grow Rich. That's a great book. It is a great book. And we just read over 30 different questions. you know, that one might, well, 30 different reasons one might fail and then 30 different questions to ask yourself. So when do you think that age is? I mean, you know, we have kids in their 20s and, well, I guess both of yours are in their 20s now. Mine is, I have one that's 19 and one early 20s. When do you think that shift takes place?

SPEAKER_02: 13:20

Probably around, Like 42 to 45. I mean, I think it can start to happen with the first Saturn return at age 30. That's always a big wake-up call, right? I don't know. How was your Saturn return when you turned 30? Did you feel... Do you remember? Gosh,

SPEAKER_01: 13:44

I mean, I remember at 30... Oh, I don't know. I would have to think, okay, my kids would have been six and a half, seven and four. There was a lot going on. I really started to question and reflect on my relationship. That's what I can recall.

SPEAKER_02: 14:17

Did you feel a sense of... Saturn return usually brings a sense of like yeah it's like a wake-up call it's like you can't keep doing the same thing you were doing you you have to like step up and meet your responsibilities in a certain area that you may have been avoiding ignoring or you know, for a lot of people, like their twenties are just like this play time, you know, drinking and going out. And then all of a sudden 30 hits and they're like, Oh crap, I really do have to get serious job. Do you have to think about buying a house? And I mean, not that you have to, but, but there's this kind of pressure that builds up at that time or that, that, that you start to feel with Saturn. And I mean, I, Again, astrology is experiential and not, it's theoretical until it's experiential, but it's meant to be lived. I mean, I would definitely

SPEAKER_01: 15:23

say wake up call because it was around that time I was having a lot of anxiety around, well, I really was a hypochondriac. I was really struggling with Dr. Google and a lot of fear. At

SPEAKER_00: 15:49

that

SPEAKER_01: 15:52

time, my mom had breast cancer at 35. So I think there was this underlying anxiety that I was in a similarly unhealthy relationship. There was definitely a toxic dynamic. And my mom was in a similar situation that I did not make changes. I would find myself in the same spot. So this was like weighing on my mind. It's probably around the same time because at 27, I found Steiner's work and read Caroline, Mrs. Sacred Contracts and all of that, that, that, you know, that message that we choose our parents and you know, kind of came together around the same time. So then at 30, that might've been around the time I found Christiane Northrup's work and started to like pay attention more to what was going on internally, especially around, you know, my menstrual cycle, because she talks a lot about, you know, these things will keep coming up for you each month if they are not resolved. So I think I started to fill that pool. of like something needs to change, but I didn't make that change for another five years. I don't think, I can't remember. I think it was 35 or 37. Yeah. I

SPEAKER_02: 17:21

mean, Saturn is a, it's a weighty, heavy, fear inducing. It's very, you know, constrictive and you feel like you're You can feel like you're trapped or weighted down. It's kind of oppressive. So anyway, that's one big one. And then at 45, Uranus opposes your natal Uranus. It's the Uranus opposition. And that is a huge transit as well in terms of sexuality, especially for women. It's the rising of the Kundalini. And it's an incredible, powerful force that kind of happens to you. And if you're not, if you're not ready for it, it can really disrupt things. Like in my case, it really did disrupt my life. That's when I got divorced, but it also was kind of like a sexual revolutionary time for me because And it can express itself in different ways. And you just passed that period, right? Like a couple of years ago.

SPEAKER_01: 18:38

Yeah, and I would completely agree. You know, I pulled out the Tantra books, Sex Magic. You know, I took that class. So yeah, definitely. It's interesting, though. I had bought some of those books in my early 20s. I was already curious. So yeah. you know, I think you and I spoke of that when you read my chart too. Yes. Yes. And then if you read, I think it's the life purpose book being a one that that comes up to as like, you know, something I should be looking into diving into potentially teaching or bringing awareness around, which resonates. That's what I feel called to do.

SPEAKER_02: 19:29

Yeah, and do you mind if I refer to your astrological chart for a minute? No, sure. Okay, so astrology can just, for me, like, again, as a tourist, like, I like things to be useful, right? I'm not interested in something that you can't use in daily life. And, yeah. And so a lot of astrology is about timing. You can use your natal chart to your advantage in terms of understanding timing. And Saturn is, I think it's currently in your ninth house of like, you've probably been for the past few years, like gathering a lot of information from a lot of different sources and being more philosophical and taking the bigger picture. on life and meaning and everything, because that's what the ninth house is all about. But we'll be moving into your 10th house here pretty soon. And that's kind of like peak time for your career. I mean, you already, I think I remember that you have a stellium in your 10th house of career. 10th house is about, your public image, how other people see you, your career, the work that you do in the world. And with Saturn there, Saturn's a builder. And so the next, I would say four or five years for you can be the pinnacle of your, career which for you is already highlighted in your chart and probably what your soul wants you to focus on in this lifetime since you have a stellium of planets there and so i would say you know put a lot of yourself into it and um you will get the rewards you will reap the rewards when saturn enters the 11th house of gains in like three years um You'll read through words for tears. And then after that, in the 12th house, normally things might kind of dissolve so that you can reinvent yourself in a different way a couple of years later. So when I say that, I'm not like making a prediction, right, Elizabeth? I'm not saying, oh, this is going to happen to you. Because you're a co-creator, right, with the universe. And you can say, oh... I have this opportunity now. This is my time to really put a lot of energy into my career. And so you can choose if you want to do that or not.

SPEAKER_01: 22:10

So I guess, you know, being in the throes of perimenopause and having recently listened to The Wisdom of Menopause by Christiane Northrup, And I mean, not even just her per se, so much of what she shared and even in some of the books I've read on the divine masculine and feminine, like this age moving forward is really for women to find their purpose and their passion and show up with their gifts. Because as you mentioned, I don't know if that was before we started recording or after, that, you know, we've spent all this time nurturing others. Right. And that, you know, there's a lot of death around menopause. What do you mean by that? Well, and rebirth. So a lot of times, right, first we're the death of our fertility. So we're being reborn. Right. as still creative beings, but it's no longer in the same capacity. A lot of, and she talks about this in that book, a lot of women in menopause lose their parents. A lot of women during this time, they become empty nesters. They lose so many roles. Yes.

UNKNOWN: 23:47

Yes.

SPEAKER_01: 23:49

And so we're being given this opportunity of rebirth to create and cultivate and nurture ourselves now. So when you say that as like this might be, I might be moving into the pinnacle of my career, would that look different for somebody else? Could that be earlier? Or would you find that you see... these energies are working very similarly at similar times in one's life, despite their signs.

SPEAKER_02: 24:24

Right, no, Elizabeth, it will be different for everybody. And this is where the houses in astrology come in because it happens to be happening in your 10th house of career. But for me, during menopause, I believe it was in my fourth house of home. which there's a lot of transformation going on in that area. And that's probably why I ended up moving. Not because I looked at my chart and said, oh, I have to move now, but it was like this confluence of forces that came together at the same time. So yeah, it'll be different for everybody. Somebody else in menopause might be dealing with 7,000 relationships. They might be really, really dealing with a lot of that. But regardless, at the same time as menopause, there's what's called the Chiron return. Chiron's the wounded healer. And so in addition to losing all the roles, Elizabeth, there's also this element of like, you have to kind of review your past. Okay, you cross a rainbow bridge. It's like, remember at Waldorf when the kids go into first grade and they cross the rainbow bridge?

SPEAKER_01: 25:48

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 25:48

Well, this is a different rainbow bridge, but it is a bridge that you go over. And once you go over it, you'll know what I mean by that, that once you go over it, it kind of disappears behind you. So there's no turning around. Excuse me. And this period of time is all about like a reckoning of how you've been hurt, like your original wound, how you were wounded and how you have consequently wounded other people. And then because of that wound, like once you have gone through the reckoning and you've forgiven and you've made amends and you've taken responsibility for your part in all of the maybe unintentionally harmful consequences of your actions, then you can reap the wisdom of, well, how can I use my wound to actually help and serve other people? And you may already be doing that and you are already doing that. I know you are with your work with scoliosis. But it will take on like a deeper dimension maybe as you go through that process.

SPEAKER_01: 27:19

And the Chiron return correlates with sort of middle age?

SPEAKER_02: 27:26

It correlates. It's around 50. So it's when Chiron... has gone all the way around the wheel of the Zodiac and it comes back to the point where it was when you were born, when you received your original wound. And I mean, again, these influences, like some people are like, oh, what are you talking about? I didn't even notice that. And this is what Siner talks about. You can go through these things and not have any sensitivity or not have any awareness of them. Because we live in a really materialistic world. And we are not like the ancients were really in touch with the influence of the stars and the cosmos. They knew the cosmos intimately. They knew the plants. They knew the animals. And we have had to relearn that. I don't know what happened. There was some kind of lapse. Maybe it was a big flood. But for whatever reason, I feel like we've had to relearn it. And some of us are relearning it and some of us are just lapsing even deeper into materialism. And so I'm not making any kind of judgment of those, you know, whatever decision that people decide to make or which way they decide to go. And I'm also not saying that if you don't like astrology, you're not a spiritual or sensitive person. But astrology is just one avenue, you know, or way that you can get in deeper touch with the cosmos. And there are others, a lot of others.

SPEAKER_01: 29:11

And it just makes me think of really energetic frequencies, right? These planets, we all are vibrating at a frequency. So if we're born in a very certain time, right in a certain place, there's going to be energetic frequencies that are connected to our being, you know, or influence our being, right?

SPEAKER_02: 29:28

Yeah, and Carl Young, I love something he said. He's one of my kind of heroes. He said that we all are like grapes and depending on where and when we're born, that determines the nature and the flavor of the grape that is later used to make the wine. And so it bears, the grape bears the stamp of the conditions in which it grew. Yeah,

SPEAKER_01: 30:02

I love that. So you, you know, I know we've talked, you know, about what astrology really means, but, you know, I know that also, and you talked so much more in depth, but when, you know, so many people, you know, you're just turning to like the newspaper for that quick horoscope thing. It sounds so much more than that.

SPEAKER_02: 30:33

Oh, it's so, so much more than that. I mean, there's astrological herbology and astrological herbal medicine. Actually, his name is Saja Papam. Anyway, he's a really, really cool guy. And he really gets into... like each sign he'll look at your chart and he can kind of see what your physical constitution is and how your chart affects your health. And it determines like what you, what you illnesses you might be more prone to. And, um, what chronic illnesses you might be more prone to and which herbs are best suited for you to take on a daily basis, like in teas or whatever, teas or tinctures. And he also can talk about plants that grow. So for example, your predominant planet, I would say, is Mars in your chart. And so how does Mars express itself on Earth in the plant kingdom? And so you could say like a plant like nettles. First of all, it grows at that time of year, you know, the time of year you were born, which is in April. That's when it emerges. And it's really prickly, right? Because Mars can be kind of prickly, hot energy, right? hot and dry it's masculine and so um nettles is stinging nettles are one of the plants for mars ruled um charts so nettles would be good for you to drink

SPEAKER_01: 32:30

now would that be because almost acting uh homeopathically like it would be good to balance that out by bringing like to like

SPEAKER_02: 32:43

Okay, well, I need to step back and correct myself because, yes, thank you for asking that. It depends on what condition you're experiencing. Like, if somebody's having a lot of reproductive, like, menstrual cramps or something like that, they're probably going to need a Venusian-based remedy. or herb because Venus rules the reproductive organs as the Scorpio so it's really it's very complicated and I don't want to like give a definitive answer right here so it definitely depends on looking at all the angles of your chart which is quite the analysis takes hours and hours and then looking at what your symptoms are and it's not like a one-off kind of

SPEAKER_01: 33:43

we

SPEAKER_02: 33:44

want everything to be simple but that's the reason I love astrology so much because it's so complex like my mind needs something extremely complex that's going to be engaging over you know my lifetime because you can go as deep into astrology as you want to and there's so many different branches or you can stay simple which I feel like The current problem with astrology, I feel like, is that there are all these astrologers and they're going into these complex transits and aspects and they're making predictions and they're saying, you know, they're scaring people and they're creating drama and they're saying, this is what's going to happen to you next month. And there's a very tense aspect and watch out. And it's like, that's so... inaccurate as to what astrology really is like if you really could just start with the planetary influences just start with the planets and study each one and i don't know if you remember in waldorf um how they had like monday you wore purple and tuesday the kids wore red well the reason for that is because each day is ruled by a planet Do you remember that? Vaguely, but yes. Okay, so Tuesday, for example, is the day that's ruled by Mars.

SPEAKER_01: 35:16

Okay. So is Thursday green? Friday. Oh, you're wearing green today on purpose? I'm

SPEAKER_02: 35:23

wearing green. Friday is Venus Day. And the color is green and the metal is copper. So the planets have all these... you know, ways they express themselves in metals and plants and animals. And so just starting there, I mean, that's a great way to study astrology. I feel like when it gets too complex, people just get like turned off for like, I don't have time for that. I've got to go to work. I've got to feed my kids. I've got to wash my car, you know,

SPEAKER_01: 36:07

Yeah, and I think it can become overwhelming. But that's when, you know, I feel like we call on someone like you to help us understand better. You know, we're not all, you know, and just thinking back to Napoleon Hill's Think and Grow Rich, you know, he talks about like, who you're going to put in your team. If you don't know everything, find those people, right? Who can help you with that information. We don't have to know everything. Absolutely. Yeah. You know, like I can, you know, look to you for helping me navigate that. And if it's, if something I really want to dive into deeper, maybe keep calling you or, you know, start to look for those resources.

SPEAKER_02: 36:59

right and not everybody is drawn to the esoteric and the mystical you know and the occult right um so but but to me it's fascinating you know there there are going to be people who are drawn to it and um who want to do the inner exploration through the lens of astrology

SPEAKER_01: 41:20

so now i know that Human design also looks at, you know, one's blueprint through that astrological lens. I don't really know how they're different. I mean, are there, is this a certain branch or like, is this just, I had another chart done years ago and it was with, oh, I don't even remember. You remember Chantal, her husband? I do. Sort of charts. He did some charts. I don't. I'd have to go way back if I could even find that. Okay. But, you know, there are different types of charts. So, I mean, kind of, right?

SPEAKER_02: 42:04

Oh, well, astrology is so old. Like, it's really, really old. And if you look at Vedic astrology in particular from India, you know, it's very closely connected with Ayurveda. Mm-hmm. So is that what you're referring to? You're a Vedic astrologer? I'm not a Vedic astrologer. I'm a Western astrologer. I've studied. I'm starting to study Vedic astrology. But again, like it's a vast subject. And I pick up little bits and pieces here and there because I'm really fascinated with it. But people in India would have, you know, as soon as they have a baby, they have their chart drawn. by an astrologer and they just they can determine what kind of person the child should marry and when they should marry and you know all kinds of things um like that but um and it goes back to greek times like the glyph for taurus which is the the bull um Taurus is related to the moon, the crescent moon, and that glyph goes back all the way to Egypt. And I mentioned earlier that, and Steiner says this too, that ancient peoples were really, really in touch with the stars. Like imagine there were no city lights, right? And they were living in the stars every night. And they understood them. Like, if you think about where astrology came from, like, did somebody just make this up? Somebody just like, oh, Venus, green, Friday, copper, Venus is associated with love. And, you know, it did. A lot of it came from the Greeks, you know, the myths of Aphrodite. But it was older than that.

UNKNOWN: 44:10

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 44:11

way back to the matriarchal cultures where like the bull was a symbol of fertility like the fertility of the earth and the crops like that was super important back then in those agricultural societies so and the moon was also really important because the moon I guess you know it's it's associated with the weather with bringing rain and And with the kind of waxing and waning and when to plant the seeds. And again, this goes into like, what's that kind of, do you remember, what's that kind of farming they do at Fox Hollow? Oh, the

SPEAKER_01: 44:57

biodynamic.

SPEAKER_02: 44:58

Biodynamic, yes, yes. Using the patterns of the moon to determine when you should plant and when you should harvest and when you should weed and all of that stuff. So it's all connected.

SPEAKER_01: 45:11

Yeah. And then when it just makes, you know, when you mentioned experiential, right? No city lights. I mean, they were experiencing.

SPEAKER_02: 45:18

They were experiencing it. Yeah. Like when Mars recently, Mars, you know, your planet. Oh, I wanted to ask you this, like back to experiential astrology. Mars was in retrograde in the sign that, okay, you have Mars and cancer in your chart. Mars spent months and months in cancer and it was retrograde, right? So it wasn't moving. And it was, I could see it every night. It was directly overhead, this red planet, right? How did you, how have you felt the past eight months? Just curious, like in terms of your motivation, like your Mars ruled parts of your life, like your motivation and your initiative and your drive and stuff like that, how have you felt?

SPEAKER_01: 46:08

I don't know. I guess if I think about it, I don't know. I feel like my motivation has been elevated in the last bit, partly because, well, especially like even with this podcast, like staying motivated to keep it going and staying committed to regular interviews and getting it out there and releasing, motivated to, you know, really nurture my business more. But with that, you know, Noah was living at home for the past year, right? And there was some, you know, there was like steps forward and then steps back. It depends on the area of my life. Mm-hmm. Steps forward and steps back. Okay. Yeah. I mean, that's how I would describe that. In what sense? Having him home was wonderful. But I'm so grateful that... But he's flown. And he had flown for a minute, right? But then he came back. And yeah, so forward and back. Forward in a lot of areas, but sort of this regression when it came to just him being here all the time.

SPEAKER_02: 47:45

Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. That's really interesting. So- Like if you wanted to study astrology and you knew those transits were happening, like, okay, Mars is my main planet, what's it doing right now? Oh my gosh, it's in retrograde, it's conjoining my natal Mars and this is happening over quite a long period of time, you can take notes and you can be like, okay, well, what actually was that like for me? See, that's the kind of astrology that I like. I don't like somebody telling me this is how this is going to happen to you. And this is how you're going to feel about it. Like, no, I should be like, okay, this, this influence is coming. Okay. I'm going to see what happens.

SPEAKER_01: 49:38

Yeah. And because I think too often we can get stuck in, right. Because I have, I hear people, Oh, this is in retrograde. This is taking place. And you're like, okay, well, I might not be having that, that same experience and really trying to like tune in to maybe that is or isn't resonating with me. Yeah. And that's on everybody saying Mercury's in retrograde. Don't do this, this and this. And, you know, maybe, maybe that's correct. Right. But I think, you know, if it is correct, I will feel that. Yeah. For me. Oh, this is resin that resonates. I need to really, you know, be, be watching.

SPEAKER_02: 50:22

Right. They say with Mercury retrograde, like don't sign any contracts. Don't make any big purchases. And there might be some wisdom to that, but they're saying it because once the thing is, once a planet goes direct, you can have a change of mind. That's the reasoning behind that. what you thought you wanted can change. And that's especially true with Venus going direct or retrograde and then going direct. So, you know, you might buy something when Venus is retrograde. And then when it goes direct to be like, Oh my God, what was I thinking? But again, see, you know, the only way to experience these things is to like, make your own notes. Otherwise you're taking other people's word for it, which I never am an advocate of taking other people's word for anything that we can explore for ourselves, you know? Um, and that's why I think most good astrologers are old because they have the, all the seasons and all the times to take the notes.

SPEAKER_01: 51:34

Yeah. Yeah. It makes me, um, Think about Deepak Chopra talking about the moon. And, you know, I don't know what he was talking about, you know, and even like with a any any sort of teacher, right? Teachers coming on to explain the moon to you, or you can go out and have your own experience of the moon.

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Right,

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right. The same with God, right, or Christ consciousness, whatever you want to put in there.

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Yes. Things are just a malconstruct until you experience them.

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Yeah. It's so true.

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So now you have a retreat coming up. Yes. Next. Well, it's next May. So it's a Beltane retreat. And it's here in Teton Valley. It's at Moose Creek Ranch, which is a beautiful property that is beautiful. right up against the mountain. It has a creek running through it and lots of moose in there. That's why it's called Moose Creek.

SPEAKER_01: 52:37

It sounds beautiful.

SPEAKER_02: 52:39

Yeah, it's going to have Ayurveda. So there's an Ayurvedic practitioner coming in from Colorado and she's going to talk about the doshas and how, you know, Ayurveda can support each one. So So help in figuring out what your constitution is and what your doshas are. And then there's an amazing chef who's based in Teton Valley who she does astro nutrition. So she takes kind of the astrological energies that are going on at the time. And she studied a lot about plants and astrology and she crafts these amazing meals and then um shiradara which i have totally fallen in love with shiradara um based on your dosha and and then an astrological consultation and in addition there's some rituals that will be happening to um sow seeds because beltane's a great time to do that It's a really fertile time of year. So, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 53:58

You know the dates?

SPEAKER_02: 54:00

Yes. It's May 2nd through the 4th, 2026.

SPEAKER_01: 54:09

May 2nd through the 4th. So lodging people there?

SPEAKER_02: 54:13

Yes. It is three day, well, two nights and three days. Right.

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Okay.

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Yeah, and you can find out more about that at blueprintretreats.net.

SPEAKER_01: 54:29

Okay, blueprintretreats.net. How else can people connect with you?

SPEAKER_02: 54:35

Let's see, I'm on Instagram under Kelly A. McAllister. So it's Kelly with an I and then A McAllister, M-C-A-L-L-I-S-T-E-R. And yeah, those are the two. I'm also on Facebook. I think my married name is still on there. Kelly McAllister Bailey.

SPEAKER_01: 54:58

Okay. Yeah, I'm trying to think if it is. I don't know.

SPEAKER_02: 55:04

I think it is.

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But in the interim, you offer astrological readings now. I

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do. Absolutely, yes. I offer... chart readings. And I do transit readings as well, if people are just interested in what's coming up for them in the next year or so. I also do Oracle readings with tarot cards using Oracle cards. And again, those are not turning over your authority to an external source. It's more about you accessing your inner intuition and the cards are just there to help you do that.

SPEAKER_01: 55:49

Yeah, I know. Golly, I can pull a card and it's like, oh my gosh. Yeah, just to read. I don't know. I guess it's affirmation of what I already know so many times.

SPEAKER_02: 56:00

Isn't that amazing? And doesn't it just make you feel so much better? You're like, okay, because something can just come loose at that point. You're like, okay, I am getting affirmation from another source.

SPEAKER_01: 56:15

Yeah.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 56:16

And, you know, it doesn't necessarily even have to be a card. I was telling Noah the other day, you know, sometimes just opening up a book

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to

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a page. Yes. You get exactly what you need, like one phrase or sentence or paragraph.

SPEAKER_02: 56:36

Yes, I think that's called bibliomancy. I didn't know it had a name. yeah it has a name it's a form of divination you know um and the word divination you know it has divine in it you're you're seeking the divine within yourself you're seeking the divine source within yourself and going to it for an answer

SPEAKER_01: 56:58

yeah so Yeah. I love all those tools. I don't get out my cards that often, but every once in a while I do, I have them out for clients in my room and they are there if for those who feel inspired. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 57:21

Right. Everybody's different. And that's, what's so great. Absolutely. It really is. It's yeah. My hope and wish for people is that everyone can connect to their own uniqueness, because I think that that's what makes the world go round, really. If we're all conforming and trying to be the same, you know, where does that really get us? And people can't truly share their gifts.

SPEAKER_01: 57:57

Yeah, and I think that I had a conversation with a a gal named Laura, I haven't released our conversation yet. She's good girl syndrome coach. And, you know, I mean, we have to be able to like untangle that nonsense so that we can live authentically, which is, you know, why I named my podcast Unapologetic Living. Oh, yeah, that's great.

SPEAKER_02: 58:28

You know, yeah. And you do, sometimes it's a matter of just aging out of all of that pressure, that social pressure that we feel in our 20s and 30s. And then somehow at our Uranus opposition, Uranus transit, we, I don't know, something like blows through and just like breaks all of that loose. And it's so liberating. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 59:02

Yeah. That art of, what did they say? Not giving a fuck, right? Having, losing all fucks to give.

SPEAKER_02: 59:07

Yes. And I think the older you get, the more you're like able to let go of all those societal expectations.

SPEAKER_01: 59:18

Yeah. And I don't think it's something that happens in our twenties. It's a journey.

SPEAKER_02: 59:24

Yeah. Unless you're, you know, there are exceptional young people who are really, I don't know, for some reason, just maybe starseeds or they're just wise beyond their years. So those people do exist, but it's definitely not the norm.

SPEAKER_01: 59:43

Yeah, definitely not. And I don't really know that many 20-year-olds other than the handful of, you know, kids that are in my kids' lives. So, yeah, I don't find myself around all too many. too many younger people actually, so.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:05

Right. I'm just about to write a post about that because when you're growing up, you're with all these other people who are your age. And so they share like part of your astrological chart, they share all the outer planets with you. And so you have a lot of in common with them, but then as you go out into the work world or you grow up, you, you kind of, um, You can lose contact with people who are your own age because you're around all these people of different ages.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:40

That was always one of the things I struggled with when enrolling my kids in school and when I decided to homeschool. I mean, it felt like a social construct. When are we ever in a room full of same-aged people? We just aren't. And I mean, it's freaking stupid.

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I'm

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not a big fan of school, but to go put a bunch of kids the same age in a classroom together never made sense to me. I know that's what people do, but it never really made sense to me. Yeah. which is why, you know, I did keep my kids home for so long. We were around all kinds of different people and talking and going out in public and, and experiencing different age groups all the way until they went into school.

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Yeah. There's a lot of value in being exposed to people of all different ages, but like my current experience is that I, I'm around people of all different ages, but I'm around so few people of my own age. And it's like, it's so rare for me to find somebody in my own age. And when I do, I feel this immediate sense of familiarity and like, Oh, like you kind of get me in a way that people of other ages don't get me. Does that make sense?

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:07

Yeah. Yeah. I can see that. I have a handful of friends that I've talked to who are right around my age and

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:13

Yeah. There's a lot of people in Louisville who, I mean, it seems like there are just so many people your age who are, there's like this core like cadre of people that age. And it's so funny. It seems like most of them are, are Aries women. Oh,

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:33

that's funny. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. But as a mother, I was, um, You know, what are we? We're like six years, seven years apart. I think we're like nine years apart.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:48

Oh, really? I'm 47. I'm 56.

SPEAKER_01: 1:02:52

Oh, okay. So we're nine years apart. So, you know, like I had my kids young. Well, young for today's, I mean, what people would consider young. I actually think it's the best time for kid having and the most fertile time and healthiest time for young women and men. But, you know, that's not the message there. getting out there so there's that but um so a lot of my mom friends are definitely older than me you know I have a 23 year old almost and uh some of my friends have kids really that are you know Maddie's age and younger at my age right um

SPEAKER_02: 1:03:38

yeah I've just been thinking about that because you do have a bond with people your own age because all the outer planets like Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, Pluto, they may have all been in the same place. And that's kind of what creates the generational culture. You know, like boomers, what are they called? Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So... Yeah. Yeah. It's interesting. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:11

But you're a, you're a Gen Xer, right? I don't know. I'm 19. I don't know. Gen Xer. Yeah, I guess so. Okay. So you're probably, you're in the same generation as I am, but we're kind of on probably opposite. Yeah. Because who's after Gen X, Gen Y. And when, what are our kids? Millennial? No, they're not millennials. Who are our kids? No, they're Gen Z. Okay. Yeah. So there's like, what is it, like around 1996 is when you have millennials? Yeah, I think millennials

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:44

are like, yeah, 96 to, no, no, hold on, hold on. Gen X goes from 65 to like 85. What year were you born? 78. 78. 78. Okay. Maybe 82. And then millennials are like 82 to 2000. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:12

Yeah. And then our kids, well, our kids are really on the early part of right. Cause 2002. Right. Right. Yeah. So yeah. 1965 to 1980 is genetics. Independent, resourceful, and a little skeptical.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:36

Gen X. Raised on rotary phones, mixtapes, and a lot of figure it out yourself energy, which is, I mean, when you think back, like the latchkey kid era. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: 1:05:51

So. Right. Yes. And Gen X is known for retiring early too. We were never really that into like I don't know, at least my end of the generation, we were never really that into work. You're like, oh, yeah, we can take it or we can leave it. Yeah. But work and purpose are two different things, right?

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:13

Yeah, I agree 100%. Yeah. Well, it's been lovely talking. Yes, it has. I am so grateful to have you back. And for the audience, please be sure to check out Kelly's podcast. Instagram and then her retreat, which is May 2nd through 4th of 2026. Blueprintretreats.com. Dot net. Dot net. That's right. It sounds amazing. I'm going to have to go check out that link.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:46

Yes, please do. Thank you for having me on, Elizabeth.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:51

Always. I look forward to an in-person visit in May when you come back home for a

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minute.