The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
We explore thriving as an athlete after 40. Each episode, we’ll dive into tips, hacks, and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes and our personal experience. Whether you’re a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong, and motivated
The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
Staying Youthful: Pickleball, Fitness, and Building Community with Frank Collins
Curious about the secret to staying youthful and active well into your 60s? Discover it through the vibrant athletic journey of Frank Collins, an operations manager and pickleball enthusiast who shares his love for racquet sports. With memories of sibling rivalry fueling his competitive spirit, Frank's stories reveal how engaging in sports can not only extend your lifespan but also attract a diverse community of players of all ages. Whether you're 30 or 80, the pickleball court has a place for you.
Let's talk about the unexpected benefits of exercise, from surprising strength gains in later life to the profound social connections that develop through shared sweat and effort. Our discussions highlight the unique bond formed at the gym between a father and his son, and we tackle the real-life challenges of maintaining health amidst work travels. With personal anecdotes about managing type 2 diabetes and overcoming weight gain, the conversation sheds light on how regular exercise boosts not just physical health but confidence and social skills too.
From the camaraderie found in competitive cornhole games to the thrill of social pickleball matches, this episode underscores the importance of building community through fitness and sports. We explore how maintaining an active lifestyle can enhance reaction time and leg strength, contributing to a healthier, longer life. With stories full of humor and candid reflections, we emphasize the crucial role of physical fitness, alongside the perils of overindulgence in supplements and energy drinks, in ensuring well-being as we age. Join us for an engaging look at how lifestyle choices shape our health and happiness.
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Welcome to the Master's Athlete Survival Guide, where we explore the secrets to thriving in sports after 40. I'm John Catalinas and, along with Scott Feig, we'll dive into training tips, nutrition hacks and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes who defy age limits. Whether you're a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong and motivated. Let's get started and we're back. Hi, john, I'm scott and today we are starting the ever important pickleball series. Our first guest in the pickleball series is frank collins. Hello, hi, frank. Hello, how you doing, frank?
Speaker 1:I'm doing well, thank you frank's got a face for radio, that's for sure. He's got mellow tones. Have you considered some sort of classical music thing.
Speaker 2:You're talking to me about a face for radio, really. Well, you've got more problems than that. It's like a mountain and a troll. Let it go.
Speaker 1:This is the earliest the podcast has ever gone sideways. That's awesome. So my bright idea was to bring in some of my friends slash.
Speaker 2:Wait, yes, go ahead, you have friends.
Speaker 1:Yes, Well, they're acquaintances. I would consider them like summer camp friends. Oh okay, we go to the gym and we play pickleball together and I know them and I like them and I would help them if they were by the side of the road. But we're not braiding each other's hair just yet. You're bald, I know. So the first guest is Frank Hi.
Speaker 2:Frank Hi, frank Hi.
Speaker 1:Frank, hello. So since we're just summer camp friends, tell us a little about yourself. What do you do for a living, frank?
Speaker 3:So I'm an operations manager at M&T. What?
Speaker 1:Oh, thanks.
Speaker 3:My job's a snoozeze too, so it's fine. Yeah, been there 20 years in a desk job, but it's an operations role. I have three people that report to me and I love it.
Speaker 1:We are recording after work hours, just in case you are a co-worker and wondering what Frank is up to. Good point, yeah, and here's a question I hate because I think I know the answer, frank, how old are you? I will be 61 why, do you look so good at 60 jesus? Damn dude right right, this is literally what I thought when I asked the question I am the youngest guy here.
Speaker 1:All right, svelte young, I got it all today one of the lessons is and I've seen this published, but it's, I feel like it's really true is that people who play racquet sports live 10 years longer. There's people like frank that are like I don't know, he looks 40 people. We, if we went to videos, we'd be like hawking our only fans with featuring frank's feet or something I don't know.
Speaker 2:You guys are making me blush no, I think it's just the heat in here.
Speaker 1:So Frank is. I would consider him the top 10% of the people that play pickleball there, and it's quite a diversity of people. I mean there are incredible athletes that are 80. There are average athletes that are 30. I mean it is a full spectrum of human beings.
Speaker 2:And where do you fall in that?
Speaker 1:I'm bottom 10th probably, and you're in your 50s. Yeah, I bring comic relief and old age all in one package all right, let's get this on track.
Speaker 2:Yes, let's, before we get into pickleball a little bit. Yeah, you said you're 61, right?
Speaker 3:oh, january 17th, a week from today. Oh shit, I'm gonna have to get him something now that I know that's nice frank's birthday is one
Speaker 1:from today it's gonna be a bottle of bourbon.
Speaker 2:Spoiler alert all right, frank. So tell us a little bit about, like, your athletic journey. I mean, you know we all did the the obligatory little league baseball when we were in school. I did not do that, we didn't talk to you. We did the obligatory Little League baseball. You ran track in elementary school for the school track meet and threw the softball. I mean that's the normal stuff. Tell us a little bit about your athletic history. Were there chunks and gaps? Because I mean John and I talked about this in an earlier episode where we had some chunks and gaps in time, where it's like we're on the couch eating cheetos and saying not a sponsor not a sponsor.
Speaker 2:What are we doing? Yeah did you have those? Where did you find yourself? And you know, and eventually we'll get to the whole pickleball side of it and then talk about just you know, being a master's athlete?
Speaker 3:yeah, today, yeah, but yeah, good question. You know I'm the youngest of four boys, nice, so yeah, it's 60 and you know older brothers, so my household was very competitive, pushed me in terms of sports. They all played sports, different sports. So I was very active in Little League. But hockey I played, travel hockey Played when I got into middle school. High school I played JV basketball, rc basketball. I played baseball, played soccer, goalie at soccer. So so I was. I was constantly playing sports.
Speaker 1:That's awesome, especially since we you know, we predate the era where parents are just shoving kids into sports. I mean, you did that mostly because it was your choice, or at least to be as good as your brothers.
Speaker 2:Well, I think that's the bigger thing. It wasn't choice.
Speaker 3:It was do it or brothers embarrass and like belittle, exactly street hockey, you know, constantly out there playing street hockey. Uh, you know it was. You know, to the point where I get in trouble because I didn't come in for dinner on time, right, I get grounded, right, because my father was pretty, uh, pretty strict yeah, I never missed dinner yeah obviously so I, yeah, as you know, uh from uh, from 10 years old, through high school, extremely active, extremely active, didn't play in college, worked, and it was all about making money Amen.
Speaker 3:So I got married at 26. Okay, Shortly after I had my son. No, my daughter, sorry.
Speaker 2:First You're in trouble.
Speaker 3:Hopefully she's not listening my daughter first and then my son five years later. Okay, Moved to Cleveland with work. Cleveland Rocks, Cleveland Rocks yeah, True true. And then played softball. Yeah, was pretty much. You know that was kind of the thing to do, right, okay, like power league softball. Yeah, it was was pretty much. You know that was the kind of the the thing to do right, okay, like power league softball kind of deal.
Speaker 3:Yeah yeah, rec softball, right you know I mean that's probably the extent of it, right? Um, uh, just because everything else, you know, just it wasn't good enough to really, uh, you know, compete at a high level.
Speaker 1:So, uh, you know, it's just softball have you done anything like did you go to the gym, did you run, were you? Were you doing anything?
Speaker 3:not really.
Speaker 1:Oh, so you have that same. See, he's got that same young kid gap like you kind of go from being a stupid single kid and then you get married and have kids and there's that big yeah that lull, I'm just, I'm just too busy yeah, work right life happens, man.
Speaker 2:Yeah, spoiler alert, try to avoid that but, yeah it happens to me.
Speaker 1:You got, you got. I'm just too busy. Yeah, work right, life happens, man Spoiler alert, try to avoid that.
Speaker 3:But yeah, it happens to most of us. You got commitments right with your kids and you live I hate to say it vicariously through your kids in some respects right. My son played soccer. My daughter played soccer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, no, that is absolutely. That is a pattern that we're seeing more and more. Is that people that pick it back up pick it back up? I mean, yes, there's lifetime athletes, but I think the majority of your recreational athlete they had that break when their kids were little.
Speaker 2:And I think a chunk of that and we've talked about this quite often is the social aspect of it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, we just did the CrossFit, onefit one yeah, and with natalie yeah, and that's what she said.
Speaker 2:You know, a lot of this is that community, and I think you know you get into playing, like you said, with softball or like we did with highland or something like that, or track or whatever. The community sort of brings you together. Yes, the sport is there, the athletics is there, and it's almost ancillary in many instances, but if we focus more on that, it sort of brings us together in that sense and it's kind of cool.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I can't disagree. Did you play softball with friends, or just yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Was it like a work league, Like did you guys have some like kitschy banking kind?
Speaker 3:of name, like with the money makers or something like that.
Speaker 2:Please say you did, no, no, no, just lie to us. We all lie to john, so just lie to us, uh you know it was work.
Speaker 3:Uh. Well, in some respect it was true. You know, I I could play. As you know, if I could play as much as I could, I would okay. So I, you know, work league, um. Then, uh, friends, um through my brothers, um shake the waga rec league I played in in cleveland, um. So yeah, I was. It was uh, you know, whatever I could get out and play, I'd play, because that's the only sport I could play at that point that I felt wasn't gonna hurt myself yeah, you know, it's funny how that transitions right.
Speaker 1:You go from like I want to do whatever just to pursue my sport to yeah, I just don't work, I don't want to pull a hamstring I gotta work.
Speaker 3:I gotta work tomorrow. Right, you know, it was a good day, nobody got hurt. Yeah, I can't, I can't afford getting hurt.
Speaker 2:I absolutely I get that.
Speaker 1:So I I also sort of ancillary know that you go to the gym, which you go to the gym insanely early in the morning, which makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3:I do, yeah, and I'll be honest. I never lifted when I was well. I shouldn't say that. I'd always lift with friends for about two months and then it would just fade.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it would fade. That happens, it was a fad.
Speaker 3:You fade or they fade. No, I would yeah. I never could stick with it. I never could stick with it. How?
Speaker 2:long have you been at it?
Speaker 3:now, oh, I want to say over five years. Oh, we're not too far off, oh damn.
Speaker 2:I was looking at. Well, I've been doing it for six months. I'm like, well, okay, you still have fade possibilities.
Speaker 3:No, no, no, no, fade, that's awesome. No, turning back at this point, and I'll be honest, the only reason reason I started going was everybody else in my family was going, particularly my son, who's 26, now 27 and, uh, he's been doing about 12 years all right so he's about 16, 15, 16.
Speaker 2:He started lifting so when you go to the gym because we spend a lot of time talking about the gym, because it's I mean, that's a big part of what john and I do Yeah- Sadly.
Speaker 2:Well, sad for you, it's always fun for me. I like making you cry. What type of stuff are you doing there? Are you more looking at motion to get the body, keep the body in position Because, like I said, you're in good shape for somebody that's over 60. Are you looking to keep the mechanics? Are you looking to increase? Keep strength? Where are you going with why you're going?
Speaker 3:well, it primarily a social aspect. Being there with my son uh, is, is, is the driver right primarily first and foremost, uh, and I never thought I'd get to this point, uh, but it right now it's, it's pushing myself, it's really pushing myself to a space that I've never thought I could get to or could achieve. I'm probably the strongest I've ever been in my life, lifting weights that I never came close to lifting when I was younger.
Speaker 2:Awesome, surprisingly. Yeah, we've said that many times. That's a phenomenon too.
Speaker 1:I don't know. Some older guys get the bug and suddenly I mean I'm as strong as I've ever been. Scott's probably stronger than he's ever been yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and I don't think you recognize how much you can push yourself and where the limits are. And I continue to push myself to the point where people come up to me and are commenting on it. You don't have many 60 year olds and they said they, they, they're surprised when I say I'm 60 years old in the gym, but my son's, you know much younger, obviously, 27 and uh, you don't see a father son tandem?
Speaker 3:no, that's cool at that age at the gym. So we get a lot of uh, a lot of interaction because of that and and and I'll be honest, I one of the reasons I did it because my son is somewhat introverted, so I wanted him to, uh, you know, get the opportunity to interact with people and and, just, uh, you know, try to try to build on his uh, social skills. So, uh, that's awesome and it's what I mean.
Speaker 2:he's much more comfortable, he's interacting with people and more confident yeah, yeah, you can't understate the amount of confidence that you can build, especially when you're there with somebody that you know, somebody that you love and you know doing these things, because it builds that confidence intrinsically and it sort of oozes out of you. You know I going back to what you said, you're stronger now than you ever were. I think one of the things and we've talked about this that sort of mental connection with lifting is at our age, you know your body better. You know what the body can do. I'm not going to do that. The mechanics. If somebody who was a lifting scientist came and said, no, you should not lift like that At 54, which is my age if I try to lift like you're telling me, my lifts will be cut in half. You know your body. You know what your body can and can't do and I think you know. You're showing that and with your statement I'm stronger now, Definitely yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and you know, when I was in Cleveland and I commuted back and forth for six months, my son was just born, okay, and I took the position and relocated to Cleveland and my daughter was still finishing school, although young, you know, I think first grade or kindergarten or something like that, but we wanted her to finish, so I was commuting back and forth, so I was staying at the Red Roof Inn At Willoughby Hills.
Speaker 3:No, oh, say you know, because I've stayed in willoughby hills, uh um strongsville oh, okay, strong so okay, a little further south of cleveland, uh, but there was a applebee's, of course there was right next door of course there was and red roof gave me a free appetizer with every entree.
Speaker 1:Oh, thank you, Red Roof. So not only would I eat, my entree on the company's dime.
Speaker 3:I would also eat a free appetizer, so I get 10 wings Nice. Every day I put on a lot of weight.
Speaker 1:I put on a lot of weight.
Speaker 2:Did you really? Oh God, were you heavy at one point? I was heavy. Yeah, I was heavy, define heavy. Well, yeah, not Scott.
Speaker 3:Well, now I'm about 205. Okay, I was pushing 230. Dude, so about 24.
Speaker 1:Good for you, yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and very inactive. Yeah, I wasn't active at all, so it wasn't a good time in my life.
Speaker 1:Okay. Well, this is a good transition to like I'm type two diabetic. He thinks he is. He's really not. I am you got any ailments surgeries, I don't.
Speaker 3:I don't.
Speaker 1:I'm really starting not to like your friend. Frank is not human. Yeah, good for you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, I don't have. I go to the doctor with my physical every year and you know it's great when he says you know, what your blood works perfect, awesome.
Speaker 2:You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:Keep doing congratulations thank you seriously, no meds you know I don't take. You know I take, you know, the multivitamin you know those types of things, normal heroin, you know yeah uh, a baby, you know the, the things that, uh, you know kind of keep your body, you know going and everything that's awesome. Yeah, nothing, knock on wood.
Speaker 1:I'm going to point out the fact that the other way we can decide how old we are on this podcast is someone was going to call it baby aspirin as opposed to low-dose aspirin, which is how it's branded now. I love the flavor of baby aspirin. By the way, they should come up with a beer that would be that flavor the St Joseph baby aspirin beer.
Speaker 2:Amen, brother, let's talk to our friends at Black Button.
Speaker 1:See if they can give us a bourbon like that that works.
Speaker 2:So you gave us a little bit of history. Yeah, you told us a little bit about now. All right, you had that chunk and you said you know you're lifting with your son, which truly congratulations, because anytime you can build those bonds I mean, we talk about family all the time- and we may go to the gym and we not say a word, but it doesn't matter, you know, doesn't it?
Speaker 2:no, you can, I mean there's times that you know john and I aren't related, but we'll be in the gym or we'll be lifting or something and you can look and it's just the look or whatever. You start establishing that and that's. That's great. I can't recommend enough lifting with somebody, like if you can go with a child, you know one of your children, or whatnot it's absolutely phenomenal. John met you through pickleball. Okay, I've never played pickleball in my life, okay, and there's probably a reason for that.
Speaker 1:Oh, there is, I would look like a steer on skates? Okay, it would not be pretty I will interject some seriousness into this. The panoply of people who play pickleball nice word love, thank you, um, is astounding.
Speaker 1:It's literally pick up a paddle and hit a hit a tether, uh, whatchamacallit, a wiffle ball at each other. It's. It's, I think, why it's popular is because the barrier to entry is like near zero. So what you're saying is I got a shot. You don't have a shot, but you should stop by, I hate you, god, I hate you.
Speaker 2:All right. So you played softball, rec league, softball, business um work softball, that type of thing. Keep an active. That's important. What was the step that took you from that, or whatever break you took in there, because you said you had that chunk of time when it was, you know, you ballooned up to 230.
Speaker 1:God, I wish that would be after lunch for Scott that would be lunch.
Speaker 2:For me would be 230 pounds of food. What was the step that said, hey, I want to give that a try. I'm going to sort of no pickleball, oh, pickleball, yeah, taking that stuff. Let's take that stuff now for a little bit, okay.
Speaker 3:It was more, um, it wasn't to be more active, it was more social. You know, uh, a group of of people my brother and uh and uh, a friend and his uh and his brother-in-law were playing and they said, hey, this is fun, it's a good time, you should come out and play. So I bought a paddle and there I was playing, and, having played sports all my life, it wasn't difficult to pick it up, right, it was about three years ago, maybe three and a half years ago, that I started playing. You know, having played sports all my life, it wasn't difficult to pick it up, right, I, I, it was about three years ago, maybe three and a half years ago, that I started playing. Okay, well, yeah, probably, right, um, maybe longer, but I, you know, I, I say I've been playing about three, three and a half years and, uh, um, the more I play, the more I get addicted to it. You know, it's a sport. That, to John's point, you know anybody can play it you know any age.
Speaker 3:It doesn't take a lot of it, doesn't put a lot of stress on your body.
Speaker 2:I'm feeling attacked here. Yeah, you are Between you and John. I'm feeling attacked here. No, no, no, I'm telling you you can play.
Speaker 3:It's true, you can play.
Speaker 1:Wow, I now like him again. I mean that's very true. It's sort of self-limiting. I mean Frank gets after it. I mean he's all over the court.
Speaker 3:I'm competitive. I'm the youngest of four boys. You know what I mean. It's in my blood, but I tone it down when I have to.
Speaker 1:You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean you play to the level you're playing.
Speaker 1:Which not everybody does, by the way.
Speaker 2:So when you play John, you hold the pedal on your foot. Oh way bad I switch hands.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I have a reputation. It's just like we're working on it. We're working on it, everybody's working on it.
Speaker 1:But you know, for as good and as mobile as Frank is, people aren't and are still bearing. And it goes to what we talk about Scott with step one is the community, and even like the softball community, it's as much. I mean, karen took a lesson at the local senior center about pickleball. I didn't really know anything about it. That's kind of how we started just going to the park and hitting it back at each other and then we ran into this group and started playing. And now I'm a psycho. I go like three days a week like really early in the morning for no good reason and I hate the morning so very much. Oh, yeah, I know. Yeah, I am not. I am anti-morning person. So no, you know, I don't want. It's the pickleball series, but it's not about pickleball folks. It's really the community which this completely embodies. It's the friendships and it's the moving. It's just the moving Because it's accidental exercise. I mean I'll be done, I'll be exhausted, but I will not have realized that I basically just ran three miles.
Speaker 2:Well, to that point. You talk about the breadth of people that are playing it. My son's friend, devin, you've met him. Yep, they played hockey at a pretty serious level. I breadth of people that are playing it. My son's friend, devin, yeah, um, you've met him. Yep, they played hockey at a pretty serious level. I mean they played throughout canada and whatnot, and devin plays down in florida I mean, that's where he lives now and he absolutely loves it and he says some of the hardest competitions he's had are from people in their late 40s, early 50s. So, john, you're way past that age, you're out Now. Frank would be able to do this thing, Would be able to push these people Absolutely.
Speaker 2:Devin is probably Ben, would be what? 24? So probably in his mid-20s. They're about the same age and he loves it. He loves the game, absolutely loves it. Joined a league, you know, plays three, four times a week. You know when he'll message me and we'll talk and he'll talk about it. So I mean, I guess I'm seeing what the two of you are saying in terms of there. Is that attraction? That is not just age, because you know most sports we talk about, we think about our younger folks. Okay, that's really because you think, oh, you're getting older, you know. Go sit on the couch, go eat cheetos, go do whatever, go for a walk, knit, you know whatever, it is right but the way you guys are talking.
Speaker 2:This is a community that spans everything, so I guess it's breaking some of the gaps. Which is kind of what we talked about many times on the show is this idea that, yes, it's community, but how does that community sort of move back and forth in who is in it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the nice thing about this is you kind of can take out of it what you want, like, if you because the deal is you play a game and then you sit for a while and you know, then you play another game, um, in that sitting, you know, a lot of people are are socializing, um, you cannot, you know you cannot play as much as you'd like. You can sit as long as you like. It's self-paced, um, but it's, you know, it's good, it's. It's, I think. I mean, if you watch it on tv, it's a sport. If you go to your local rec league, it's a social club with rackets, I think.
Speaker 2:So sort of like bocce.
Speaker 1:You know it falls somewhere. Honestly, it falls somewhere between, like bocce and I don't know. Pick up basketball, something where you would need even more skill. It's movement, it's eye-hand coordination. I wasn't lying when I said that I've read the stat that bracket sports people live 10 years longer. But you know again, look at frank. I mean he's going to the gym and he's playing pickleball.
Speaker 2:A lot, an awful lot, crazy, a lot yeah, so with going to the gym, you said you've been doing that for about five years now. So the fad or the trend is you're past that stage oh yeah, and I go every day.
Speaker 1:You go every day.
Speaker 3:Every day.
Speaker 1:Oh, so do I.
Speaker 2:Of course, the gym is in my backyard. I own the gym, so it makes it so much easier.
Speaker 1:I need to surround myself with lazy old people.
Speaker 2:And again, because my son goes every day, so it's part of our, our routine. Do you find that the gym is helping you play pickleball or vice versa, or is it sort of synergistic on both of them? I I frank looked at me like wow, that was a big word.
Speaker 1:Yeah, not just a pretty face. Yeah, that big pause was just acknowledging the word synergistic synergistic.
Speaker 2:Love gave me that word.
Speaker 3:Thanks, yeah, there's a word that I was told don't use at work is tangential, tangential.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Could misspeak there my youngest daughter. She graduated from college a couple years ago and we pass emails back and forth with all the workisms Like hey, honey, you want to go to lunch? I don't know. Let's stick a pin in this and circle back on it later.
Speaker 2:No, or let's table this.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I hate that All that. It infuriates me All right.
Speaker 2:Anyway, back to Frank's synergy. Yeah, your synergy.
Speaker 3:Yes, please Do your synergy, yes, do I find that uh, working out the gym helps from a pickleball perspective, um, to some extent. You know um everyday things that I do, uh are don't bother me anymore. You know washing the car, you know I used to wash the car. My back would bother me. Right, I do landscaping my back just from the bending and the yes, yeah, right, yeah, doing things that you haven't done.
Speaker 1:You know, absolutely. My back is as strong as it could be. I. I don't have those issues anymore.
Speaker 3:You, it's from the bending and the repetitive motion, doing things that you haven't done Absolutely. My back is as strong as it could be. I don't have those issues anymore. I don't have any concerns with my knees bothering me and I used to have lower back. I tried to do leg presses right and I wasn't even close to my son when I first started and my back was like now. I don't have any back issues. That's awesome know, it's like now.
Speaker 3:I don't have any back issues, you know, and and it's it's not anything I did in particular. I just I just follow his routine and and just able to build all my muscles up to the point where I don't have any. You know, I can do daily activities without any concern what is, what is?
Speaker 1:his routine is basically bodybuilding, powerlifting it's not powerlifting, no, it's bodybuilding.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I would say so, you know?
Speaker 1:uh, we do I think that serves us, yeah, that serves us in a whole body kind of stuff yeah, yeah, do I push myself in terms of trying to increase the, the weight?
Speaker 3:sure, you know, and you know I had, uh I period of time I was having trouble standing right and my sciatic nerve was bothering me right, if I stand on concrete I'd get this, you know pain. So I went to the chiropractor, you know. I said, okay, what you know? There was a woman at the gym who worked there but was going to chiropractic school, just started around, you know, working around the corner.
Speaker 2:I said I'll give her a shot. You know what I?
Speaker 3:mean, it's a new girl, you know a nice girl. I said you know what? Um, let's, uh, you know she needs customers. Uh, go there, uh give it a shot, maybe she can help me. She, she sees me in the gym, she knows what I'm doing and, you know, gave me some treatments, gave me some exercises and uh, you know it went away that's awesome over time, you know, doing some different exercises.
Speaker 1:I don't know if it was what she did or it's just time, but uh, but either way it worked, worked itself out yeah, I mean you picked the right fork in the road though, because I mean we see our older friends get to somewhere where something hurts and you just shut it down like I can't go to the gym, it hurts, I can't move, like that it hurts.
Speaker 2:I'm gonna have to pay for an annual car wash because I'm not washing my car, because it hurts well, and sure it's funny, because you know you mentioned how your, your back is starting to feel better and you're not. You don't feel it when you stand up, or you can actually stand up and it's not the old man leaning on your your leg or having to grab a bucket or something like that. Go back to mike safel and we talked about posturology and it's that whole sort of interconnectedness of the way the body, if your back is all goofed up, your, your whole body, you start moving differently. And that's where we start seeing that that degradation of what you're doing as a human, the way you're walking, the way you lay down when you go to sleep. You know the fact that it takes more and more to stand up. You know the running joke does your body sound like a rice krispies treat when you're standing up? Well, well, when your back's in shape, it doesn't Right. You know you can stand up, you know.
Speaker 2:So shout out to Mike with the posturology and sort of getting that connection, but to you as well, because just doing something, getting off the couch, doing it, you start small. You know, like you said, you were nowhere near your son when you started with some of these lifts, but your son is almost 40 years younger than you, you know, 30 some years younger than you, right? So those things are progressing along and I think that's important. That's a big message here is that you started, you know if you're going to be 61, and you said you've been doing it for five years. So you started in your mid-50s, right? Okay, and you're in shape now. And when you look at you, honest to god, I I know, honest to god when you walked in, I said I'm thinking to myself jesus john brought us somebody who's in their 40s, you know, thank you. Well, I appreciate it. Damn.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know yeah, and the reality is, I mean kudos to you for getting stronger and stuff, but um, I mean the reality is, even if you had no gains with your son, you're still hanging with your son, right, like, you're still building that. I, you know we've talked a lot about I guess we we coined the phrase micro goals just the fact that your son's going step one, doing something, step two, improving, I mean you're building such resilience in yourself, way before it matters how much muscle you build.
Speaker 2:It's a culture of success is what you're. Wow, I'm on fire.
Speaker 1:You are today I love has got nothing on me that that fake phd you have is leaking out all over the place, right? No, it's actually real phd. You're just fake doctors. Real phd, fake doctor, sorry, wow god, you're a tool, thanks I appreciate that.
Speaker 1:I think dull, rusty tool. And now that? Now that it's on tape, it's real tan tape. It's not on tape, it's like Todd tape. It's not on tape, it's like baby aspirin. So what's next? What's the future Like? Are we just going to maintain? You going to go pro with pickleball? Oh, geez God. No, you going to do more sports. The pro senior circuit.
Speaker 2:There you go man.
Speaker 3:You brought it up the other day in terms of you'd like to do a tournament.
Speaker 1:I would, because again, it's a gauge. I don't suck at the stupid pickleball thing I would definitely come to that no, the the deal is is that there's there's sort of unspoken levels, there's what I would consider beginner, and then you sort of master the basic skills and then you get good enough that you're kind of playing the game, and then I think I you know I'm nowhere near frank, but I think we're both at that level where I want to try myself up against something.
Speaker 1:You want to challenge Because again, it is a mix of people, and some of the people I'm not going to slam a wiffle ball at their face because they're 80. Although I can also think of some 80-year-old athletes that would just slam it back at me.
Speaker 2:That's the reason I would not play pickleball against John, because he would change it from a wiffle ball into one of those wooden highlight balls and he would whack that thing at me as hard as he could.
Speaker 1:Interesting aside is the highlight ball wood. I've always wondered about highlight.
Speaker 2:I think it might be wood. It's either that or vulcanized rubber, but that thing is like a brick, is it?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I have no idea. Yeah, you see, and he would do that just because of the stuff that I do to him because I'm a horrible person.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I don't admitting it's the first step to recovery.
Speaker 3:But I, but yeah, I, I would, I would, I would like to try it, you know, I mean, if somebody came to me and said, hey, you know, would I go and initiate it? Probably not right, you know.
Speaker 1:Uh, I just you know, even though he'd be great at it.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I get it I you know, if somebody said hey, I you know, I need a partner you know, I mean yeah I'm in, you know, and it's it's not.
Speaker 3:You know, even when we go at seven in the morning right to play and it's much better competition earlier in the morning, um, the people, that aren't they good, they're more nine, eleven o'clock ish. Uh, you know kind of people, but uh it, uh, you know it. Much better competition. You know higher level of play, and it's not about winning or losing, it really isn't, it's just good quality play. You know good, good points and everybody's so complimentary of each other and they're just good people, you know. I mean and I go back to the social aspect of it it a lot of it is. Reason why I go go is because I'm making new friends.
Speaker 2:I met John right, you know what I mean and who does that.
Speaker 3:I'm sorry about that, I know, but no, there's just so many people that I've met that are just good people and I just I enjoy that and at this point in my life, a lot of it is about just making, making context and just developing relationships so we've been talking about pickleball and I've sort of seen it.
Speaker 2:Give me the 10 000 foot thumbnail sketch of what pickleball is okay, uh, tiny tennis.
Speaker 1:So the court is about half the size ish, uh, you typically people on a side or one you typically play doubles, I mean singles exist, but you probably should be 25 to play singles.
Speaker 2:So not me.
Speaker 1:It's a lot of running. It's like a sword fight Whack, whack, whack, done Very rarely do you see singles being played, so it's doubles. It can be same-sex mixed doubles. It's that you play to a fixed point.
Speaker 3:You get a win by two. Um, but it's not a racket, it's, it's a paddle. It's a paddle, so it's more ping like a ping pong, yeah not that long ago apparently they were just wood.
Speaker 1:But you know, in this era of needing to sell me gear, I have a kevlar coated teflon synthetic. Yeah, oh yeah yeah, I got all the things Graphite.
Speaker 2:Why am I not surprised?
Speaker 3:But you know it's. It hasn't helped him, though. No, you now are on my Christmas list. That's it, I don't know. Oh, there goes my birthday present.
Speaker 1:I was going to say, let me remind you.
Speaker 2:His birthday is on the 17th. Hold on what is the birthday.
Speaker 1:I'll take here. I've got something for you. You can't give my stuff away as birthday presents, so are you a pickleball zealot, as some people are Like? Where's the family? Where's the wife? Where's the? You know? What are the kids doing? Why aren't they?
Speaker 3:why don't you have a bus that looks like the Partridge family where you drive around the country playing pickleball Wow?
Speaker 1:show back, I know right.
Speaker 3:My son does play, does Wow show back? I know right, my son does play, does he? But he's at a point in his life that he just got engaged, oh so he's heading for the couch.
Speaker 1:Stay off the couch. What's your son's name?
Speaker 3:Andrew.
Speaker 1:Andrew, andrew, this is your future. I am the ghost of athlete future. Stay off the couch.
Speaker 2:Do something Hopefully.
Speaker 3:Andrew has more hair than ghost of athlete future.
Speaker 1:Yes, he does, yes, ouch, yeah, frank's got hair too. Yeah, frank's fit, he has hair very annoying we're not liking frank right now not at all.
Speaker 3:But now, yeah, it's uh, um, they, uh, my wife was going to the gym, for she was going, like I said, all three of them were going to the gym, my daughter, my son, my wife, um, and they said, join the gym. Yeah, and that was my impetus to uh, you know, to get into the, the gym. And then uh was going, and then my son started going. My son, um, and uh, now it's, it's to the point where, like today, he, he overslept, uh, and you know, maybe, maybe a year ago, I, I take that opportunity to say oh, I guess I overslept too.
Speaker 1:He's not up. You know what I mean. I can go back to bed. Yeah, I went, I went you know, I mean, I just I gotta I gotta have it as part of my do you have gym friends like do you see, I do you know, it's another, it's another social aspect absolutely, we've got the breakfast club at the gym right, you know what I mean there's, there's people there that, uh, you know that we we see every day and uh, they are, uh, yeah, you know they're part of the family.
Speaker 3:You know what?
Speaker 1:are you gonna?
Speaker 3:say were you gonna say that we were a princess and a?
Speaker 1:basket case and say molly ringwald's out there, or what I knew that's where your brain went immediately, because that's where mine went.
Speaker 3:I was gonna start singing.
Speaker 1:Don't you forget about me yeah, but no again I can't I can't, yeah, and I can't stress that enough. It seems like community at this stage in our life is super important.
Speaker 2:Well, you know you talk about that and we joke about it, but I mean Friday at noon or sunday at noon. I'm sorry say friday noon friday at noon I'm usually working, uh, sunday at noon. You know, the masters get together at the compound and it's the same thing. It's as much about lifting as it is about busting each other's chops or, you know, letting somebody talk and it turns cathartic and sometimes there's not as much lifting that happens.
Speaker 1:You know, there's times we've sat there for two hours and we've done like three repetitions, but it's a great time because we've helped somebody yeah, somebody's going through something, and I don't know if it's like this in your life, but we've just noticed that a lot of our friends are our islands. The men don't tend to speak to other men about the shit they're going through. You know a problem with a kid wash your mouth out. Sorry, was I the first? Did I do the first expletive?
Speaker 2:today, yeah, oh fuck um.
Speaker 1:but yeah, so it is that community, it is that ability to sort of build, you know, relationships that you know you wouldn't if it was just regular life, because we're also siloed, mm-hmm.
Speaker 2:A hundred percent.
Speaker 3:Yeah Well, and it got me into cornhole too. Uh, there was a a a guy at uh the gym who ran a cornhole league or whatever. Are you any good?
Speaker 1:Uh, my, girlfriend, Karen will kick your ass. Is she good? Yeah, she's really good. Where does she play? She doesn't play anywhere other than her backyard, but she would probably easily get sucked in.
Speaker 3:She should get in at the Elks. Oh my God, Do they Every other Wednesday, alternate Wednesdays?
Speaker 1:I'll have to tell her she's really good. She won't admit to being as competitive as she should, but she's really competitive too, so that'd be good and again I pick and choose.
Speaker 3:It was good in the beginning because there was good camaraderie and ball busting, but then it got to the point where the competition was a little above me and a little too much about winning versus the social aspect and having fun. So I just kind of bowed out. I pick and choose.
Speaker 2:I mean I've seen you flip through the TV at night or whatever. I'm not talking now the 3 o'clock in the morning stuff. You're flipping through TV at like 8, 9 o'clock at night. Professional cornhole oh yeah, the cornhole national champions and all that stuff.
Speaker 2:Somebody that my son played a goaltender my son played with years ago. He has this one thing he's fanning out this wad of hundred dollar bills. He said, doc, look what we won. I'm like, are you kidding me? Him and his partner won like four thousand dollars in an event playing cornhole wow, well, frank, you want to go like pro pickleball pro pickleball.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, I just. I just I saw an article today that the pro pickleball women are making more than the wnba.
Speaker 2:Oh, I believe it because because I mean, you see, that's a scary statement, but it doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1:I don't I don't think anybody's really identified it, but there is a weirdness in pickleball that is just addictive and it makes you want to pay attention. I, I literally. If I turn my tv on right now, it's going to come up with pickleball tv from samsung, like there is a channel, yes, of pickleball, I've seen it, yeah, yeah, it's the pace, you know, I mean it's it's just it's it's quick pace and uh it's amazing the uh some of the shots that are made and it's funny because you know to sort of circle back to the master's athlete.
Speaker 2:That's part of what's going to keep them alive longer yeah is that the reaction time?
Speaker 2:you know you talked about the play racket, sports live 10 years longer. That's that hand eye that we've talked about before. That's that sort of reaction because a lot of the injuries that people as they get older, where do most of the injuries come from when they fall? Yeah, okay, because they can't get into a position to fall safely, or they can't stop themselves for falling, or they put their hand down and they'll get a spiral, fracture, fracture or something like that fracture where that worker fracture but that's where those reactions.
Speaker 2:You know racket, sports, pickleball, because there's a lot of that side to side. You know, john, you've talked about that lateral motion oh, ladder motion, just leg strength I think that's another one of those indicators of of old, you know, master's health.
Speaker 1:I'll go with masters as opposed to old people, but leg strength, being able to get yourself out of a chair, because I feel that as soon as you get stuck in a chair, your days are numbered.
Speaker 2:Leg strength, grip strength is a huge thing. Vo2, which you play pickleball you're moving, so your cardio gets better too.
Speaker 3:It happens. I've noticed that in terms of grip strength, you know, working out at the gym, it's just you know and we go, you know my, we, we. You talk about the social aspect of it and I, I, I can't talk too much because my son will give me the stink eye, because he's got to.
Speaker 2:He's got to get to work, Right. You know what I mean.
Speaker 3:So we've got this Very tight timeline, but we'll get there between 5.15 and 5.30.
Speaker 2:Gross Get to the gym.
Speaker 3:And so I'm lifting for an hour and a half Hard, constant lifting, and then he'll do cardio. I go home, I don't do the cardio. I do need to get into the cardio All right, look at my face.
Speaker 1:You see my face crunching up like this. I do see your face. Yeah, do you know why my face is crunching like this? No, no, no, no, it's worse than that. Frank gets up at 5.15, goes to the gym.
Speaker 3:Well, I get up at 4. He gets to the gym at 5.15. I'm up at 4.40. Yeah, my brain can't calculate 4.40 from that end of the day, but anyway goes to the gym.
Speaker 1:How often did? He said he goes to the gym daily. So he goes to the gym every day. I play pickleball with frank two three times a week kicks my ass. So what I've just learned is that, oh, you know, after my workout I decided to go kick some bolt ball guys I had some pickleball, this, this is imagine if he didn't do that I can't, I refuse to, I'm afraid no god
Speaker 2:you know what that means. What's that mean? That means more grinds on Sunday.
Speaker 1:Oh, scott likes to make me be fit and strong at the same time, which is painful.
Speaker 3:Really really painful, and I'll be honest If I miss a day. My body's now accustomed to working out every day. Now I don't work every body part For a three-day cycle, two body parts each day. So back and bys, chest and tris shoulders, legs. So typical bodybuilding split kind of thing, yeah, right, yeah. So every fourth day it's something new, right, it's just rotating back in. Actually, every other day it's changing. So yeah, but if I miss a day, then I can tell. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1:I can say oh shit, you missed a day I understand. I'll get into weeds a little Machines or free weights Mostly free weights. Okay, that's good I think all that stability stuff is kind of important. I mean machines. If you got to.
Speaker 2:Machines are a good start. If you haven't done anything, start in the machine, just move it because it's going to be a little bit safer for you. Yeah, when you start using the free weights, you know the one thing that I've noticed you engage more core and you can identify your weaknesses. Because if I can push with my right arm but my left arm is a little wonky, like the shoulder injury I'm dealing with now, I'm telling you it comes out, so it really balances out and all those small muscles, like again, pickleball small muscles, a couple muscles in my forearms for as much grip as I do, and how you remember when I had a world record there for a while no, I don't actually, I still have it don't, I do, I, no, you don't, oh, damn it.
Speaker 1:Um, my couple small muscles in my forearm would be like playing pickleball. I'd come home and I'd be like, oh, that's a new muscle, because it's just a different, you know, it's just some different stressor.
Speaker 3:Um, okay, so free weights, uh for the most part, you know what I mean If I go through it for for chest, uh, it's mostly free weights, um, uh, back and by spies as free weights, uh, but back is mostly machines.
Speaker 1:yeah, I, I'm not deriding yeah, no, I'm just curious because I mean, for example, I think I think if you had a bar and a smith machine, you could probably do 70 of the things you're ever going to need to do.
Speaker 1:Yeah for the most part, I'm a big fan of the smith machine I think, yeah, just because if if you're the kind of person who's just starting out and maybe uncomfortable, squatting or pressing or something like that, it's basically a built-in spotter. It locks you in a little bit with bar path, but it also locks you in a little bit with bar path. So I mean it's a blessing and a curse.
Speaker 3:Supplements pre-workouts energy drinks Creatine, creatine. Yeah, I take creatine. I tried the pre-workouts. Energy drinks Creatine, creatine yeah, I take creatine. I tried the pre-workout.
Speaker 2:Yeah, my heart started racing, it'll do that I thought I was going to have a heart attack.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'll do that too.
Speaker 3:I got a little scared. It's like I haven't gone back since One day and I was like oh shit, oh sorry.
Speaker 2:You're good.
Speaker 1:No, Real quick story. We're in Columbus.
Speaker 2:Ohio and we're at the Arnold Sports Festival. Is this about me? And what happens is, as you walk around, one of the things they do, like every good advertiser does they give you something for free because they're going to hook you.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So we're there, and this is about three years ago now, I think.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it'll be three years now It'll be three years.
Speaker 2:We're walking up and they're giving out free cans of rain energy drink, and they give out free cans of Celsius energy drink. Now, can of rain has about what? 200 milligrams.
Speaker 1:I think they both are. And yeah, Celsius is like three of caffeine. Ladies and gentlemen, a cup of coffee is like 60 milligrams. Just put things in perspective.
Speaker 2:John had nine cans one day.
Speaker 1:I did.
Speaker 3:I did. And then we go back to the hotel that night.
Speaker 2:So John, john had nine cans one day. I did, I did, and then we go back to the hotel that night. So john and you know we're taking the elevator up because it was a long day on a very hard floor and whatnot, and john is running up and down the stairs 45 times. He messages me later that night and says I'm wide awake. I'm like no shit.
Speaker 3:Yeah kind of like that episode from seinfeld right with kramer when he won the free lattes coffees it's essentially the same thing, but it makes me laugh, and this is a cautionary tale.
Speaker 2:Folks don't do this, but no, don't drink nine cans of free energy.
Speaker 1:When I see those things that they say well, you know, you really shouldn't take in. More than 500 milligrams a day is considered dangerous, and stuff, and I'm like, well, yeah so nine times two is 1800.
Speaker 1:Ladies and gentlemen, math brought to you by scott fike, phd. Yes, I am a doctor. Yeah, it was, I do. I do not drink caffeine. Do not drink coffee. No, okay, so my act not liking them. My fit friend with a decent head of hair who goes to the gym every day and doesn't drink coffee? No coffee. Are you up for sainthood or?
Speaker 2:something Is this a? And whips your ass in pickleball after.
Speaker 1:After the gym After the gym I am not liking this episode at all.
Speaker 3:The only issue is kidney stones. I started.
Speaker 2:All I thought was you'd say cocaine, no, that heroin thing is tough to kick.
Speaker 1:That heroin thing is tough to kick. Yeah, that's a problem. I'm working on it.
Speaker 3:Now, I don't know, maybe 10 years ago I was in lifting but I went on a. We had a little competition with our friends, right, weight loss competition right it's okay, I'm heavy, I need to lose weight and whenever I I'm the youngest of four boys, right, when you're in, you're all in.
Speaker 1:Oh man, yeah, yeah, nobody's going to beat me, you'll see it sometimes at pickleball. I know that mentality.
Speaker 3:I'm in, I'm in, I'm going full bore, and so I'm running, I'm doing everything, I'm doing crunches, I'm, you know the machines, I'm, you know I'm, I'm going crazy, but I'm not drinking any water, oh you don't want that water weight.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I got a kidney stone.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, first time it was thanksgiving morning did you have to pass that kidney stone.
Speaker 2:I did eventually, yeah no, he kept it well no because, they said they surgically they go in, yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's what I meant. They could take it out or they yeah well, I was scheduled.
Speaker 3:I was scheduled to go in and that morning at like 3.30 in the morning. I passed it, thank God, and I called them. I said I don't need to come in. Yeah, it was painful.
Speaker 2:Is it oh?
Speaker 3:my God, it's brutal.
Speaker 2:And I've had some since.
Speaker 3:but I've learned to drink more water, so my water intake has gone up substantially. I hope it's enough to prevent the future. But you know, the caffeine, the pot soda, I've cut that all out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't drink it at all.
Speaker 3:Saints.
Speaker 2:Coffee. You know I'll drink a tea occasionally, so maybe there's hope for us in the future. Is that what he's saying? Oh, so maybe there's hope for us in the future.
Speaker 1:Is that what he's saying?
Speaker 2:Oh, that's true, he is older than us, so we have years to get our shit straight. No, I have years, I have year.
Speaker 1:No, I have years I had to do the math there. Math not.
Speaker 2:Math brought to you by John Catalinas. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, it's funny with the kidney stone, because when I was younger and heavier and bigger, I had gout for a while and I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Yeah, that that was pretty awful. I got my first attack whenever princess diana died, so whenever that was a long time ago that's your feet, right? Yeah, it's like it's the joint of your big toe and I thought I broke my toe. Really, oh, I was convinced that I broke my toe.
Speaker 2:That's what I hear from a lot of people. Yeah, I've known that.
Speaker 1:Yeah so I mean the hydration thing is is real uric acid or something. Uric acid, yeah, and it's basically just, it comes from purines, if you you know me scientists, right, I know everything because I read everything. I don't know it, but I read it. Um, it used to be called a rich man's disease because it comes from excess protein. I don't know that. I believe that. Um, yeah, because you should have it. I should have it and don't scott. Basically, you're not carnivore, but you're definitely approaching keto oh, I'm a heavy protein keto I might have, on a given day, between three and five hundred grams of protein.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah so that's how I fight. What do you? What do you? What is that? Uh, comprised of you powders, or your supplements, or?
Speaker 2:um, there's some supplement or some powders in it. A lot of it's uh like meat, red meat, pork, chicken. Um, I'll eat peanuts, cashews, you know those types of legumes, uh, you know, it could be anywhere up to a half a pound of them in a day. And when I sit down to a meal, without exaggeration, we've what. There are times I'll eat 16, 18 ounces of ground beef sitting at meals.
Speaker 1:So it's, I really yeah, ladies and gentlemen, listeners of the.
Speaker 2:Master's Deathly Survival Guide.
Speaker 1:I would just like to point out that I surround myself with obsessives that are like amazing humans, Cause like Scott eats super clean, Frank's like ah caffeine, I don't need it.
Speaker 2:Frank's a saint.
Speaker 1:Like if there was video of me waking up in the morning, it would be this slow slug to the, to the coffee.
Speaker 2:Oh, is that right? Oh yeah, bumping, with which he uses eight pounds of cream.
Speaker 1:I do not. No sugar, yeah, I don't anymore.
Speaker 2:But the frosted flakes that he puts in there.
Speaker 1:Well, you know that's for fiber. Yeah, it's all for fiber.
Speaker 3:My diet can improve. Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1:Do you pay attention to your diet at all?
Speaker 3:I don't, no, no I don't, because I go to the gym and I can burn it off, so I don't have to. And I, you know, and I was younger, I was so active that I you know, I was, I was, I was a rail. You know I could show you a picture from my high school I. You know you would be amazed at how and you don't.
Speaker 2:You don't give off like I eat nothing but crap vibes no, uh, but but I, I, I don't eat healthy, you know so let me define not healthy for you when we go to the Arnold Sports Festival, and a friend of mine, who shall be nameless, john, has to cut weight to meet the class that he wants to lift in. John, like you said, all in when he cuts, if he's got to, gonna hit 110 kilos, which is about 242 42 yeah, he'll come in at like 105 kilos.
Speaker 2:yeah, so I overcut, he overcuts, but when we write he'll have his feed bag with him. So after he weighs in, he opened it up once. I mean, I was a fat kid for a long time, were you Shut up? That was for John. You open this bag up and there's like eight of those cinnamon rolls that are the size of 16-inch softballs. There's like 65 Nutty Buddies, five packages of blueberry muffins that were the size of regular softballs, candy bars, I mean, without exaggeration, there was probably 25 000 calories, yeah, in this bag so so basically, I cut, I think like 27, 28 pounds.
Speaker 1:Oh, you dropped a week you were like unhealthily I dropped a lot but then I put on 32 in um about 13 hours.
Speaker 2:So he weighed in the next day because you could weigh in the day before the comp. We had a 24-hour rule. Yeah, so wait in the day before the count. Next day he steps on the scale and he would have been in my weight class yeah, put it all back, okay, but you're still eligible.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, that's how once you weigh in you weigh
Speaker 2:in yeah, I mean he's done that a lot at the compound. He'll come in and then he'll weigh in that morning, yeah, and then he'll message me after and he just left some sushi buffet and he'll say is it healthy that I put 13 pounds on in the last two hours? Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:I did that too Non-fluid. There's a sushi buffet on. Dick wrote over there and Karen took me there after one of the competitions and I just apologized to her. I'm like I'm sorry you got to sit through this and we just ate. She did not just eat, I just ate. I think at one point she was going to leave me, which she should have Just for the day, not forever.
Speaker 2:She'll come to her senses.
Speaker 1:I guess I guess. Put a bow on this. I guess, I guess. So Put a bow on this. I want to put a bow on this. Yeah, put a bow on this. So here's the arc as I understand it Typically 60-year-old person's childhood when it comes to activity Going and playing outside some organized sports. Until the streetlights come on. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely yeah. Sports until the street lights come on. Yeah, oh yeah, absolutely yeah. Um, got to kid age, didn't do anything because demands work life right career stuff career yep, kids yep activities.
Speaker 1:Did some stuff to be social. Did some stuff with your son to as much build a relationship with your son as do stuff. And you don't do caffeine.
Speaker 3:You really fit, you're a good athlete, you have your hair as you get a full head of hair. Gross. It was a spot up top. Yeah, yeah, thinning up there. What hell thinning?
Speaker 2:he's talking to two balls.
Speaker 1:Okay, I was gonna say thinning I have pictures from uh 2004 where I was holding on to my hair just a little too long, all three of them. It might have been 11, but it was. It was not good.
Speaker 2:So the story is, I guess just do it. Yeah, not not to coin the nike phrase, but literally just get out there and do it, enjoy the camaraderie that comes with it and pick your poison. You don't have to be super disciplined to like you do it with caffeine. You avoid caffeine, me with my diet. You don't have to do that with everything. Pick something, just be mindful, move, get up and move. And that's the thing, because, honestly, as we get older, it's not as much about the physical things, it's about the memories that you're making. You know, those are friends, those are the memories you're making with your son at 5, 15 in the morning I know, you know I mean those types of things.
Speaker 2:So you know, I guess good for you. Yeah, no, I wasn't going there actually.
Speaker 1:I was going to say something nice about John. Oh no, my head is going good for you, get out of my studio, but since John is being mean to you, frank, anything you want to add.
Speaker 2:I mean, you know, as we sort of wind down here, no, you know what it really is.
Speaker 3:You know what it it really is. You know, I, I think, if I think about pickleball, you know it really is, um, the competition is is a bonus. It's the social aspect of it there is. There is, um, you know, just such great people that, uh, that are that are playing the sport and, uh, you know anybody who wants to come out and play. You know everybody's so supportive that, regardless of your skill level, they, they just, you know, people just want to be out there and interact on a social level and uh, the the sport is secondary, it's just fun, it's, it's easy to play and uh, you know, but, yeah, you're right, you know, um, don't, don't be afraid to get out there and uh and get active, because you just feel so much better.
Speaker 2:I appreciate that. Thank you. I mean it was great having you here today Give us a perspective on something that I knew absolutely nothing about, I mean really, other than the memes that John will send to our group. I didn't know anything about it. A little bit Devin said, a little bit John said that type of thing, but I truly appreciate what you did for us tonight. I love some of the stories that you've shared with us, and your story as to you know the position sort of put you in. So, as always, I'm still Scott.
Speaker 1:I am Frank's tournament partner John.
Speaker 2:Tournament partner Soon to be.
Speaker 1:Someone's got to glom onto this train.
Speaker 2:Ladies and gentlemen, bye.
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