The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
We explore thriving as an athlete after 40. Each episode, we’ll dive into tips, hacks, and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes and our personal experience. Whether you’re a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong, and motivated
The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
Old Man Breakfast V1: Stories from the Pickleball Friends
John Katalinas hosts a candid conversation with Mike Nowicki and Dale Wittlief about aging, health challenges, and finding community through sports in midlife and beyond.
• Mike shares his experience retiring from banking right before COVID hit, disrupting his plans for an active retirement
• Dale reflects on his 39-year career before starting his own business
• Both guests open up about their pickleball journey and how the sport has connected them with a welcoming community
• Dale courageously shares his recent medical emergency with BPH (Benign Prostatic Hyperplasia) and urges men not to ignore prostate symptoms
• The group discusses dietary changes needed when managing health conditions like diabetes and prostate issues
• Conversation highlights how tomatoes (high in lycopene) and reducing red meat can support prostate health
• John explains how continuous glucose monitoring transformed his diabetes management
• The men reflect on the importance of staying active despite aging challenges
• All three emphasize the mental health benefits of finding community through recreational sports
• The episode concludes with a powerful message about gratitude and appreciating the ability to remain active
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Welcome to the Master's Athlete Survival Guide, where we explore the secrets to thriving in sports after 40. I'm John Catalinas and, along with Scott Feig, we'll dive into training tips, nutrition hacks and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes who defy age limits. Whether you're a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong and motivated. Let's get started. Fit, strong and motivated, let's get started. And we're back, and by we I mean me, because Scott bailed me again. I think he's at mime school today. He's decided that he's going to start a second career, being a professional mime on the streets of Buffalo, which I applaud and we support here at the channel. So good luck there, brother. Hope you get out of that box flawed and we support here at the channel. So, uh, good luck there, brother, hope you get out of that box. Uh, today I am joined with my with more of my pickle friends, my uh summer camp friends, mike and dale. Hi, mike and dale, hello how you doing johnny.
Speaker 1:Oh, how fun is this. This is fun. I refer to all you guys as summer camp friends, because I literally wouldn't feel bad asking you for a favor.
Speaker 3:I don't know shit about you.
Speaker 1:Well, now that you're here, let's talk amway. I uh it, you know. I would just like you know. If you only spend 150 000 with me this year, I get a blue cadillac.
Speaker 2:Only 150, only 150 oh yeah, because you guys are friends. Yeah, whatever, whatever. So then my shoe, I think great might be a little smelly, but great except still spendable.
Speaker 1:I expect, you know, I expect nothing money is money, that's it great all right. So I know nothing about you guys. Um mike, I don't know anything about you. What do you do? Do you do anything for living?
Speaker 3:are you retired?
Speaker 1:I am retired I retired from bank in 2019 right before covid oh yeah, yep on purpose.
Speaker 3:Like here comes covid, I'm gonna retire just serendipity, serendipity, wow, uh, which was good and bad for me. Uh, because I planned on doing all these different activities going to the gym every day and being able to see the movies that I never was able to see when I was working, and hanging out with my friends more, and I do theater, so doing some theater and all that kind of stuff, and, yeah, covid hit, like two months later, oh really, so I ended up spending a lot of time in my recliner.
Speaker 2:Nice.
Speaker 3:My forearm got a workout from changing the channels because that's all. I could do. I'm so glad he said it.
Speaker 1:I tried to speed that up, because I knew where that was going, thank you, but anyway.
Speaker 3:So yeah, it was good, but not good. It was good resting time.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:Because I had a somewhat stressful job, so it was good to kind of relax.
Speaker 1:How many years did you work before you retired? Since I've, been 17. Oh, there you are.
Speaker 2:I'm only 40. So 23. No.
Speaker 3:Um, since I've been 17 and uh, at the bank since for 25 years. No kidding, yep. And then I did retail before that for 17 years, 18 years, wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, a lot of different jobs in retail, but I would love to retire. I'm never going to retire. I have an ex-wife. Took a couple of my dollars there for a few years.
Speaker 3:Well, I mean, I hate to say it, but, um, fortunate and unfortunate, um didn't have kids. Yeah, so, um, it's just me and my wife, and that's why we were able to retire young. Oh, would you like to adopt us? Uh, uh, you seem like a cool dad once again. Um, I don't know, I think I would have been but I don't know, I don't know, I'm a good uncle, I'm a great uncle, that's what I call it.
Speaker 1:So what do you think, dale? You think he's actually like a bit of a creepy uncle, like I think he's I think, I think after like family things everybody's like. Did you see what uncle mike did?
Speaker 3:hmm, I wonder, but see, that I like that because that makes me memorable mystery man. They'll remember me, you know the mystery uncle yeah, and they all come to me. Oh, I shouldn't say well but most come to me for advice and stuff and um, I think I would have been an okay dad you do give off a sage kind of vibe.
Speaker 1:Honestly, like you, you come across as an adult. Like I do not. Wow, you do, and I'm impressed by that, because that is a skill set that I haven't yet to develop and, uh, at 57, I don't see it happening anytime soon.
Speaker 2:So and never grow old, john, never grow old one of the few people that'll call me sane.
Speaker 3:So thank you, john, you're welcome.
Speaker 1:That was very nice we're coming back to you about this theater thing, but Dale say hi, hello. So tell me about you, dale.
Speaker 2:Well, I'm semi-retired, oh god I hate, my friends, yeah 64.
Speaker 1:Wait, wait wait Since 1964. No 64 years old. I know You're 64. That's enough. How old are you?
Speaker 3:I'm 64, going to be 65. We're the same age, oh my.
Speaker 1:God, why am I the shittiest looking human being of all?
Speaker 3:I was just going to say we look so much better than you. It's amazing, you do not.
Speaker 2:I have Frank on here and he's 60 and he looks 27.
Speaker 1:Oh my God, it's all that clean living, right, that's right. It's all that pickleballing.
Speaker 3:Well, okay.
Speaker 2:It is true though the sports do help keep us young.
Speaker 3:It keeps you moving and grooving?
Speaker 1:I keep quoting out loud that racket sports players live 10 years longer. And while pickleball is probably not the most arduous sport in the universe, you know you play a couple back-to-back games you've. I mean, I'm usually walking out of there with the 13 000 steps or something ridiculously like that.
Speaker 3:It's movement I gotta get one of those step watches yeah, just see how many steps.
Speaker 1:yeah, but see this way you can lie like, oh my god, I put in four, I must have done 37 million steps. Yeah.
Speaker 3:But I've learned that I can't play six hours.
Speaker 1:You've tried, I've tried, as I have Twice.
Speaker 3:I did that.
Speaker 1:Four hours is enough.
Speaker 3:Yeah, it is so sorry, Dale.
Speaker 2:For me Back to Dale, sorry.
Speaker 1:Now I know how flipping old you are Good.
Speaker 2:Lord, I know, isn't it something? Yeah, medicare is right around the corner, baby.
Speaker 1:So what does semi-retired mean?
Speaker 2:Well, I work at the Broadway driving range and the miniature golf.
Speaker 1:My girlfriend Karen used to work there.
Speaker 2:Oh, did she? Yeah, well, that's pretty cool. I have to tell tom that there you go. You've met karen, haven't you?
Speaker 1:yeah, yeah oh yeah, yeah she's ill right now oh no, yeah, she's housebound that happens not good I didn't do it this time. No, I gave her I I will admit this sweetheart on on recorded. I gave her covid once because I sort of was fighting it and she's like you have covid. I'm like no, I don't. And I licked her face and she got covid so quickly.
Speaker 3:It's so bad that I sort of feel bad, but it's also kind of funny and my wife got mad at me because she got covid and I did not, oh, and she was like you have to have had covid, I don't, I haven't, I haven't. I've been tested, yeah. So as far as I know, I still haven't, yeah, but I don't know. Being diabetic, you're kind of worried about it because you're one of the watch groups or whatever for it.
Speaker 1:Are we so I?
Speaker 2:was very lucky that I never got it. Okay, I almost died from it.
Speaker 1:Wait, what yeah?
Speaker 3:This is the best thing ever Wait what?
Speaker 1:Yeah, november Saying that Dale, well, that's not what I meant, but I mean like this is guys, in a nutshell, we could hang out for 10 years together and that might never come up, and we'd leave and like Karen would ask me oh so what did you guys like talk about, eh, stuff? Oh, did Mike tell you about blah blah? No, we talked about which superhero we wanted to be, and you know what our favorite flavor of icy pop is and that kind of stuff so did you get covid early?
Speaker 3:yeah?
Speaker 2:yeah, well, I had it in 2021. I ended up in the hospital two days before uh thanksgiving and oxygen tent or I was on high flow oxygen. Yeah, yeah, it was uh pretty bad. I was in the hospital for 13 days yeah, fourth day in stuff. Good lord, at least turned it around for me told me get up and I got up and sat in a chair and that's probably why you're still working to pay off that medical bill. Yeah, it was, yeah it was not fun. You, you know Jesus.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it could have been worse because those early people that got put on ventilators.
Speaker 2:I was one step from it Were you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, do you have any after effects, like some people?
Speaker 2:No, you know, thank God, I don't. It was like I said. I got done with it and went home on oxygen and recovered and, you know, thank the good Lord, my lungs have been good and no residual effects from it or anything like that. Wow, that's awesome.
Speaker 3:As far as I know, I have a cousin who can't smell coffee. Still, I think that's like the most bizarre thing coffee, it's funny.
Speaker 1:I work with a guy that got COVID but didn't know it until he went into one of the chemical plants that's a client of ours and it smells. It smells like chemicals and he didn't notice it and he's like hmm, yeah, hmm, and it was covid. When did covid end like, was that kind?
Speaker 3:of it really is not over, well I know, but you know what I mean like when was the 21?
Speaker 2:like you were kind of the tail end I would know I was in the uh the delta. Yeah, the Delta variant, the bad one. Yeah. When the CDC doctor came in and said what you have is not good, oh really, your lungs become like your liver and your liver doesn't breathe very well. I'm like, oh, I guess I'm not doing pretty bad right now, but God turned that around and I'm very thankful for that Awesome.
Speaker 3:I had an uncle who was 102 living at home by himself, maintaining himself and everything, and then unfortunately he fell, went into a nursing home. The nursing home was doing real good and then four months later he they let them go home for Thanksgiving because they didn't have COVID in their nursing home. And those people all went out and they all came back, got it and he died within like three months.
Speaker 1:Oh, I'm kidding Holy cow. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2:Oh no, I mean he was 103 by the time that he died. So he lived a good long life.
Speaker 3:My aunt had already passed. So, I think he was ready, but you know you don't think about it. But the elderly it was really really tough on them when they got it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we've forgotten what a weird time it was. Like I was in California for work when the first like I went there and there was no COVID and while I was there, like the state started to shut down, I had to go get like an $800 on-demand COVID test to be able to get on a plane to come back. And it was like cash on the barrel head to be able to get on a plane to come back and it was like cash on the barrel head. It was some sketchy building in a strip mall that I paid and they tested me and I got. And then, of course, I get in a big aluminum tube and fly across America crammed up against people and I'm like hmm, from California.
Speaker 1:Yeah. And that wasn't a short trip it wasn't, it wasn't, and I can't sleep on an airplane, nor can I, and it was a red eye because who I was traveling with really wanted to get back, so we took the red eye to newark and then there was like a two and a half hour layover and then we came here to buffalo and miserable.
Speaker 1:I was just a zombie because I can't. I, I mean I can't exhaust it, I can't. I'm mildly afraid of flying, just mildly. I just know enough engineering stuff to be like yeah, I know we're in a big silver tube and it's probably unlikely anything's gonna happen. But what was that noise?
Speaker 3:oh yeah, I still, I traveled a lot for work, yeah and even with that, I do not like to travel by plane. I do it because of circumstance. I had an uncle that lived in Vegas, so it was much quicker to fly there in four hours than to drive out there. And I have a really good friend out in California which I'm visiting in a couple months, or whatever.
Speaker 2:Can we go?
Speaker 3:with you, so it's much easier to—. You ignored that, did I do that?
Speaker 2:He did. Did you catch on? I did, I did it. Well, he did.
Speaker 3:So we're going out there or whatever, and it's convenience I mean you save a lot of time when you fly. But don't talk to me. I get my crossword puzzle book and I do that and if there's any turbulence I turn the pages a lot. My wife tells me I know when we're hitting it because you're moving and grooving.
Speaker 1:I bring an iPad and my noise-canceling headphones, which actually take a lot of the stress out. I should try that. Yeah, because the noise is significant, especially like newest. I have old Bose ones that are kind of eh, but the newer ones really cancel almost everything out and it's it. It brings the stress level down.
Speaker 3:But yeah, I'm staring at stuff a woman at work had a better idea. She said just drink a lot when you're on the plane. She goes, you won't mind about the turbulence anymore. Oh look, it's turbulent.
Speaker 1:Have you ever been in like bad turbulence? I was in once where the plane just did that like drop. I know it felt like it went a thousand feet, probably went 10 feet, but it just dropped an airdrop once coming back from our honeymoon from saint martin.
Speaker 3:Yeah, um, and I was trying to sleep yeah and uh, the plane fell and no sleep for the rest of that.
Speaker 1:No, I bet so I bet it's not pretty the flight I was on. Where that happened was it happened around chicago? I don't actually remember where I was coming from, but the whole back of the plane is like two cheerleading squads. So, as that happens, I get like teenage girl squeals right like it's like that did not enhance the experience at all, like, oh my god anyway but it is what it is and it's part of flying and if it's under 10 hours, I'm driving.
Speaker 1:I, I will drive, that's your cutoff. 10 hours is especially as an old man. I mean. There's still a couple p breaks in there, but after 10 hours I don't want to be in a car anymore yeah, we narrowed where we go if we're going to drive for the same reason, or I'll stay overnight somewhere. Yeah, so before you were half retired whatever sad thing that makes me sad what did you do for a living?
Speaker 2:Well, I owned a junk business for six years, and that was after I left my original career, which was uh. I spent 39 years with delta sonic and um was uh, you know grew up with that business you know, from 18 years old on, it was in operations for 20 years and then 19 years in the office. Wow, you know as a vice president for him for 20 some years really and uh yeah, it was a good career, was it?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I enjoyed it and stuff. And then I left at the end of 17, in 2018. And I said, you know what I always had that entrepreneurial aspirations. I wanted to see if I could do a business myself. So I brought the Junk King franchise into the area of full service junk removal.
Speaker 2:At that time, there was only like one other big company, which was the you know, the blue trucks oh yeah, that's now oh, it's kind of reason why I got out of it a year and a half ago, because so many companies have moved in.
Speaker 1:It's just everybody and is you know, is that a tv exposure thing like I? I see, like you see that service a lot on tv associated with all these like home improvement or order yeah, a lot of that really.
Speaker 2:You know pushed, you know that business and stuff, the, the hoarders, I, we did the hoarder shows, I did a lot of hoarder houses did you. Oh, I could tell you some stories. Take up a whole other podcast with that. Hey, we got time. Just amazing.
Speaker 1:I could tell you I was a home inspector for a few years pre-COVID, before everybody stopped caring about home inspections because you needed to buy the house. Right then Some of the ways people live, I mean I'd walk out feeling itchy like, just like mentally, because you know there'd be that path through the house and you know. And then you see on TV the people that can't bring themselves to like, oh, the toilet doesn't work, so I just go in bags and leave the bags in there. It's like I know it's, I know it's a mental thing and I my heart goes out to them. But oh my God.
Speaker 3:I have a family member who's has that problem, oh really, and oh my god, I have a family member who's has that problem, oh really and uh moved from a house into a one-bedroom apartment or whatever, and uh needed help moving. So a cousin of mine and myself helped out and uh, you know, would yell at us because we were throwing out 10 bags of rubber bands oh yeah and uh, paper clips and um, you know, you know paper from forever, so I get that.
Speaker 1:I mean, and some people right, like if you don't go the full hoarder route, but like I mean, you know my parents are, you know, depression era kids.
Speaker 3:I was just going to say you know.
Speaker 1:I mean some of it was, you know, because it was necessity and you know my mom treated some things like a luxury, like she was big on clothes, Like I feel like she grew up with like one dress because she would buy, you know, not an obscene amount of clothes, but a lot of clothes, and I think that was sort of her coping mechanism, for I'm never going back there again, so I get some of it.
Speaker 2:Some of the cool stuff we used to see is a lot of the same-aged group people would have the same things in the house, You'd see, like all the Ronco stuff and all of the things that were on TV at the time, oh yeah. Really Remember Billy Bass.
Speaker 1:I do remember Billy Bass.
Speaker 2:So many of those we threw out.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, it's hysterical.
Speaker 2:It was crazy. You'd go down there and everybody had a lot of the same stuff, same decorations it was the gift of the year for a couple of years, right?
Speaker 1:so you know a lot of people bought them, yeah is that like my obsession that I really wanted an evil knievel stunt cycle again? That thing that you turned around. I really kind of want one of those. I looked it up a vintage one's like 300. They make knockoff ones, but I'm not doing isn't that what girlfriends are for? Yeah, karen, um my christmas list. This is uh number one on the list.
Speaker 1:Thank you, yeah, but I never thought about that. But yeah, I guess I mean people, especially a little older than us were. There was so much consumerism like you need this, and back in the days of five channels on TV, everybody needed the same thing, right?
Speaker 3:Well, it's amazing for me what kids have these days. Damn kids I have a family member who said you know, I'm not going to spoil my kids when they grow up. I'm not going to do that. I'm going to. You know, do this, this, this, this. And now you go to the home and it's like 17 boxes of toys all over, a lot of the same thing over and over, and you're like hmm, that's interesting.
Speaker 3:But that's what kids are used to today. I worry about them growing up. I did not grow up that way, so I too I have a lot of clothes because I wore a lot of hand-me-downs when I was younger and when I started working retail and started working men's clothing, you know stores and stuff I just started buying and, uh, I could probably not, um, wear the same thing for two years.
Speaker 1:surprise mike, this is uh, this isn't a podcast.
Speaker 3:My wife might say something else yeah, this is even longer.
Speaker 1:This is an intervention. It is.
Speaker 3:It may be we were asked to corner you all of a sudden, all my clothes start going to the junkyard. No, dale's got a truck ready dale's got a truck, he knows a guy yeah I knows somebody.
Speaker 2:We can take care of that for you, anyway, but it is.
Speaker 3:You're an object of how you grew up. So I wore a jacket that said Lewis on it for five years. When I went to high school, kids called me Louie when I first got there because I was new and I didn't understand why. But when you have a name on your jacket, they call you.
Speaker 2:that Makes sense, makes sense, makes sense, suddenly makes sense. Louie's not a bad name.
Speaker 3:It didn't help that Brother Louie came out, if you remember that song that came out at the same time. Oh, you got the love out of that so it just hooked right up and that was my nickname.
Speaker 1:See, this conversation is my dream. My dream is old man breakfast. I crave hanging out with old men solving the world's problems while eating omelets. That's all I really want out of this life, like when I retire. What's John doing? Old man breakfast. So this is the kind of conversation Like I was just going to and where my brain went is I was going to say the old man thing when did Champion become like a designer brand? Like I remember being ashamed like oh, I got champion shorts. Yay, you know. Now it's like they're 60 and and you know all of us, carhartt carhartt carhartt's a luxury brand now too, yeah yeah, or converse chuck taylor's
Speaker 1:oh yeah like they're like 90 a pair canvas sneakers.
Speaker 3:Yeah, where are they? You know, you can't find them.
Speaker 1:No, no, no, I've just been admiring your uh, your base on the wall.
Speaker 2:Thanks, john because it reminded me, reminded me of my music career. Do you have a music career? I can't find them. No, no, no.
Speaker 1:Well, I've just been admiring your bass on the wall here, John. You can play it if you want.
Speaker 2:It reminded me of my music career.
Speaker 1:Do you have a music career?
Speaker 2:No, not really.
Speaker 1:Oh, but the bass reminded me of it. It reminded me of the one I wanted.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, yeah because I lived across the street from a guy who was a bass player. He was, so I went over and I used to enjoy listening to him practice and everything like that.
Speaker 2:So he said, oh, I got a guitar for sale and he had a bass guitar for sale, yeah, and a little amp and stuff. So I went and bought it, but I was only like 17 at the time and brought it home and back like Mike you could probably attest to that. You know father would get home and say you ain't playing no music, you take that right back to him and get your money back. So my music career was all of like 15 minutes, oh nice.
Speaker 1:Well done, that was it.
Speaker 2:You ain't playing in no band.
Speaker 1:That was it. That was the answer. There was a bit of a stigma back then.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, Honestly.
Speaker 1:Because that meant you were either being rebellious or you were being a complete geek. There was no middle ground back when you guys were kids. You know so much older than I am.
Speaker 3:when you guys were kids, well, we used to write with rocks and chisels and stuff.
Speaker 2:It was harder.
Speaker 3:The backpacks were much heavier back then.
Speaker 1:The backpacks.
Speaker 2:We didn't have backpacks.
Speaker 1:We did not have backpacks.
Speaker 2:You had garbage bags for your tops of your books and, uh, you care, oh my god, I just I had forgotten about.
Speaker 1:I'm like, what do you mean? Garbage bags, the brown paper? Bags yeah, they would tell you like day one, like, take your books home, put a cover on them you have to tape them, yeah, but not on the book.
Speaker 1:You have to figure out a way, oh yeah but I get it now like I went to fredonia and they still use the same chemistry book that when I was there. It's like, I mean, chemistry is not a particularly dynamic thing when it comes to like intro to chemistry. But uh, you know, chemicals are still chemicals. But I'm like, oh, so that's why? Because it costs a zillion dollars to buy books. Yep, I don't. This is definitely old man breakfast.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah.
Speaker 1:This is good stuff. So was there money in junk. What did you do with junk?
Speaker 2:99% of it is junk, Garbage yeah is garbage. But then you'd get the 1%, you'd find some gems, yeah, and so there was some some go ahead, so there's some resale you know, we would do and stuff like a repurposing. We called it and stuff, and you know it made a lot of people happy too, because people were looking for.
Speaker 2:You know they couldn't afford, you know newer stuff and everything and if they could get something you know at a discount and everything for deep discount. You know we helped out a lot of people doing that, oh, I bet. And then we had like on Sundays we would do a, just basically put the stuff out at the road and everything like that and put a free sign on it and it would be gone in a half an hour and so many people were thankful and stuff, put a couch out there and a chair or whatever and they'd stop by.
Speaker 1:and how can I fit this in my honda here yeah well, I don't know if you could fit it in that, but they'd throw it on top and strap it down and take it away, you know, but um I love the people that try to move mattresses just by holding, like, their arm out the window like all right, I'm not gonna follow you any longer because that's coming off soon somewhere. I don't know when, but it is.
Speaker 3:So do you ever watch Locker Room Sales? They have the TV show. Yeah, I was just watching Storage Wars, storage.
Speaker 1:Wars, locker Room Sales that's a whole different story. That's like Porky's and stuff.
Speaker 2:That's a bunch of garbage.
Speaker 1:But I'm a man of seven times.
Speaker 2:Now I heard some stories. Like I said, when, when I went for training and stuff, the one, the one guy had a story where he they did find a lot of money in a mattress yeah, yeah, okay the person had you know, so that was like 30 grand they found in a mattress and stuff, so that there is that things that happen yeah, I found, I found, I think the most expensive thing we found was uh, I think we found like 10 000 in like silver eagles.
Speaker 1:Oh, oh, that's it just 10 000.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but we gave it to the only he didn't even know we had. Oh, he was cleaning out his like, his, like a brother's house or something like that, or family members, and we found him and we gave it to him and everything and said oh, he goes, oh my goodness you know.
Speaker 2:And then the other one was uh, we found a couple. The gentleman was looking for a couple. Remember the old saber swords, the sabers, when they first came into league they used to throw a sword into the net and he was part of um. I guess the family member was part of Knox's original group and he got a couple of these swords. They were looking for them and I was taking apart a bedroom set and the two swords were taped underneath the dresser Just in case. Yeah and I found the swords.
Speaker 1:He was just ecstatic.
Speaker 2:That's cool, didn't get a tip or anything.
Speaker 1:His ecstasy was payment.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I know which was cool, you know my nephew and his girlfriend uh, took her deceased aunt's stove and she had a whole bunch of money in that stove. I don't know if she ever used it, oh she had a whole bunch of money in that stove, so that's fun. It was good for them, that's fun.
Speaker 1:They had just bought a house, so that worked out now, did you go to the trouble, like if you found like cards, like baseball cards, to look it up, or did you not bother or did?
Speaker 2:you know it's uh, we would get some stuff and we would try. You know we take it in and get it looked at and stuff. We never found any of the stuff that was really worth, stuff Like you'd have to get the, you know, the fifties, the forties, you know all that era you know, a lot of the cards we found were all you know nineties bill stuff and it has no, has no value. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:Yeah that. That gong means that we've spoken for 29 minutes. No, that's the spring. I did that. I do that kind of thing every now and then.
Speaker 3:Um, I was gonna say, yes, lord, I'm here not right now.
Speaker 1:I don't know what to do, you know? I've had enough trouble like disposing of bodies in the past. I don't need another one on tape. Thank you, and plus I'm old that I just called this on tape.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you're welcome so it's a little cassette right?
Speaker 1:yeah, of course it is yeah, it's my flavor radio from radio shack, yeah, great radio shack man, that's a blast from the past.
Speaker 1:Huh, yeah, that that's the one place I mean. Lots of places go away for various reasons, but I always thought radio shack would exist on some level, because you always needed radio shack for that thing. I don't know what that thing was, but there was always that thing. Now, the fact that my eighth grade graduation super boombox blaster came from there, well, that was just pretty awesome. I think my daughters still have it. It's showing its wear.
Speaker 3:What does it play? It plays cassettes.
Speaker 1:It does. And the worst part is this is this is a cautionary tale against mighty taco. I spilled a mighty taco taco salad on it way early like I think. I think the car is driving only had an am radio so I would bring that to play cassettes and I spilled this taco salad in there and it totally crazed all the plastic like all the plastic went opaque and I'm like, and I'm sure I scraped it back into the bowl and ate it.
Speaker 3:Oh, yeah, yeah, Well, you got to do that, duh, of course. Of course those late nights Mighty Taco runs.
Speaker 1:That's before we started recording. You were talking about you know onions and how they. Mighty Taco. I can't believe I've eaten as much mighty taco. Uh, for you that don't live here in western new york, mighty taco is a local. Uh, is it a mexican restaurant? It's. It's a stretch to call it a mexican restaurant. Um, they are kind of known for ground beef, gigantic burritos with the basics in there and and it's it, was the late night food. I don't even think they're open that they're not.
Speaker 3:They're not at all and I that's how I learned about it we used to go out drinking and three o'clock in the morning or whatever, you'd go out for a mighty taco and I got to the point where I'm like I'm gonna try it, you know, during the day and see if I like it because it was great at night yeah, as a matter of fact, to bring this back to Delta Sonic, they drove my favorite Mighty Taco away because there used to be one on Walden next to it and they made it go away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it moved up the street. Thanks it did, and it needed to go away. They needed the corner.
Speaker 1:It was the most dangerous place to pull out of because it had, like Jersey barrier, down a lot of the road so you couldn't pull straight out. You had to kind of pull out and make a scary U-turn. At 3 o'clock in the morning I was going to church at 3 o'clock in the morning.
Speaker 3:Wow, yeah, I was.
Speaker 2:Were you cleaning it.
Speaker 1:Is that what you're?
Speaker 3:saying what were you doing at church at 3 o'clock?
Speaker 1:in the morning Praying for your soul, apparently. Wow, wow, before you even knew me. Wow, a lot of people do. I knew it was coming. I knew it was coming, but yeah, so, uh, this is old man breakfast. I'd love old man breakfast. Um what?
Speaker 2:else, long as it's not mighty taco. Yeah, right, yeah. So what is your go-to breakfast?
Speaker 1:I love mighty, do you still I do, oh, they kill me I have to get my head once in a while.
Speaker 3:I have to get my head?
Speaker 1:yeah, do you have a goat like, what's a go-to, let's what's my go-to. That's interesting. I eat about a pound of shrimp a day do you really yeah? Yeah, my, my. My meal choices are kind of boring, but I will air fry about a pound of shrimp a day, and it's when it's from the diabetes. I just try to cram protein in Garlic butter.
Speaker 3:What do you?
Speaker 1:do with it. Sprinkle something, something, something, some seasoning.
Speaker 3:No seafood in my house.
Speaker 1:No, Someone allergic. My wife does not like it at all.
Speaker 3:Oh doesn't like it or is allergic? No, just doesn't like it. If I make tuna it has to be when she is at work Nice, and I have to make it. I have to clean the bowls.
Speaker 2:I have to throw garbage out.
Speaker 3:I have to do all of that before she comes home.
Speaker 1:I love a tuna steak.
Speaker 3:I will eat sushi tuna in a can along with the hard-boiled eggs. No tuna in the can, so fresh tuna, you sear it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm fine with fresh tuna, but I I actually went to whole foods and bought like the seven dollar can of tuna. Right, I'm like I'm gonna. I gotta give this thing a fair shot and no what about chicken in a can of the sea? I don't know if I've ever had canned chicken. I know it exists. I don't know if I've ever had it though. Yeah, I mean, I grew up on dinny, more beef stew and uh I actually have a can of Spam in there.
Speaker 3:Oh, I have a can of Spam in there. Okay, now you're hitting low. Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1:For me, I know, and that Chinese food that was the bought to two cans and the bottom were vegetables and the top was meat Le Choy. Yeah, that was like a thing that was it you'd wear your high karate that I bought at the, at the drugstore. Yeah, yeah, so tuna comes in a packet now you don't have to buy a can, and everybody tries to convince me that it's not as gross.
Speaker 3:It's not as gross, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 1:And again, I'd like tuna. So it might be, but you know, here here's the thing. Like I don't have much of a personality, so these things like not eating eggs and I don't have much of a personality, so these things like not eating eggs and tuna, like I have to make a hard stand on there because it's part of the small facets that make up who I am. If I give up on that, what am I? I'm nothing.
Speaker 3:You do realize that, whether you eat it hard-boiled or you eat it fried, it's the same.
Speaker 1:You know you can get in line with all the other people that have tried to logic me into hard boiled eggs, and I've. You know, here's the worst part, here is the absolute worst part. I've never tried one. Well, I've never, because my mom would overcook them and they would smell awful so you've never had egg salad. I've had egg salad sandwich is good I gotta believe that egg salad makes a hard boiled egg about a billion times worse.
Speaker 3:Okay, now I'm gonna have to make it and bring it, and you'll have to have it for breakfast.
Speaker 2:No, I'm gonna tell your wife on your Some 7 o'clock and you can bring Mike a tuna sandwich. Well, tina's home, I like the tuna sandwich.
Speaker 3:Oh well, tina's home. Now I, like you, can have that for breakfast. As a matter of fact, they made a sandwich at my work that they called the Nowitti, because I used to get egg salad sandwich with bacon and toasted bread, and they were laughing at me. Bacon makes everything better, right, yeah, I guess. And all of a sudden, the woman that was making it goes. You know I have to try it and she goes.
Speaker 2:it's good I offer it now to people.
Speaker 3:And they're loving it, I'm like great.
Speaker 1:So anyway, gross All right, dale, it's good protein, though, right, I can't listen to you anymore, dale. Do you have a favorite? What about egg whites? I like egg whites. It's the hard boy, it's the consistency. Again, I've never tried it, so a lot of this is just me being delicate.
Speaker 3:Mayonnaise or Miracle Whip.
Speaker 1:I don't care.
Speaker 3:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:And, honestly, I've traveled to where they have that Duke's mayonnaise. Have you ever had Duke's mayonnaise?
Speaker 2:I have not.
Speaker 1:That's actually pretty good, but I don't care. I don't have a strong preference. I typically only use it on like a turkey sandwich or something, all right.
Speaker 3:Either is fine. You've challenged me. I'm going to make egg salad and bring it in you down, and we're gonna make wait.
Speaker 1:no daddy, I don't want to try it flash forward, a large, bald man was seen running down the road screaming in terror while a man chased him holding an egg salad sandwich. Tune in at 11, when we get behind.
Speaker 3:More at 11.
Speaker 1:More news at 11 dail, save us from this you got a favorite. What's your go-to? You got a go-to food uh, I like pizza.
Speaker 2:Yeah, pizza's my go-to yeah yeah, I think that's kind of my go-to yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:Do you have a favorite around here? Do you live around here? I live in lancaster okay, do you have a favorite?
Speaker 2:uh, I like picasso's, do you? Yeah, I saw that.
Speaker 1:I saw that pizza heist down the street who are kids of friends of ours just won best pizza in Lancaster On Monday. They have a very good special. I think it's like I don't know these days it's like 12 or 13 bucks, which for a pizza now is like free. I'm amazed that pizza places are another thing that close early.
Speaker 2:I noticed some of the restaurants now are starting to open up longer now, like even burger king had 24 hours open now oh really they're back.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, they're back, open 24 hours. I've just seen this sign you know one on transit.
Speaker 2:But you know what I really like this my daughter's kind of got me hooked on it a gluten-free pizza it is.
Speaker 3:It's a cauliflower crust, or is it something else?
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:What.
Speaker 3:Yes.
Speaker 1:It's good For everybody. Listening like Dale's, this big burly old man that just looks like he could like tear you in half with his teeth.
Speaker 3:I really like gluten-free pizza.
Speaker 2:What, hey, you're talking about, old man talk. What All right, so I need to know a lot more so well, my daughter's gluten-free so she's you know, yeah, she's been, uh, you know, eating the stuff and everything and she got it to one day and it just looked really good. It was thin crust and it was just and it's crispy yeah, it's real crispy and I was like, oh, this is really good.
Speaker 1:So actually I ordered one recently I really enjoyed it, but it's I mean, like you're not fooling yourself that it's a different animal. That's good, right? Yeah, it just tastes really good.
Speaker 2:It was kind of a nice change from you know. More dough on the crust and everything like that. It's not going to be yeah.
Speaker 3:So if you like a doughy pizza, that's not it, but if you like it thin crispy which is what I like too, it's not bad, yeah, and they cook it real good at Picasso's.
Speaker 2:It's real crispy and it just tastes real good. So it's a change, because I kind of go to different pizza places. When I owned the junk business, we used to have Lovejoy Pizza, which is real good, oh yeah, yeah yeah, it was a fan favorite.
Speaker 1:RIP Billy Ogden's joy pizza, which is real. Oh yeah, you know right.
Speaker 2:and it's uh, it was a fan favorite rip billy ogdens.
Speaker 1:I used to like to go to billy ogdens for stuffed peppers.
Speaker 2:Carol's corner used to be there too. Remember old balos, yep balos, back in the day. Beef, yeah, yeah, I remember eating that, and my grandfather told me about that.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah he's about the same age as Dale, so that's fine. He didn't play pickleball.
Speaker 3:I've never personally had it several times. Yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 1:Right. Well, that's another thing. Pizza places come and go right. I think most of my favorites are come and gone twice now. I used to like Pudgy's Pizza on what was that? French and Borden, I think that was Pudgy's, they were great, they were gone. Uh, uncle, something or others on transit, when, when, before lancaster, really completely existed uncle joe's right I don't remember what the name of it was, but it was on transit uncle sammy's uncle sammy's.
Speaker 1:Yes, but that was like the edge of the universe, like as far as I was concerned because I grew up on lawson road, and that was like there's nothing the universe as far as I was concerned, because I grew up on Lawson Road and there's nothing the other side of transit except for fields and Italian people playing soccer. I'm amazed what's here now? So you grew up here, I grew up on Lawson Road. Well, to fourth grade. I moved there in fourth grade. The apartment's right there on Lawson, near Union. So yeah, this is.
Speaker 3:So what high school did you go to St?
Speaker 1:Mary's. I'm a good Catholic boy.
Speaker 3:Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:That's a whole other show, anyway, no.
Speaker 1:I was just going to say on behalf of Karen, who, if she's listening to this currently just laughed out loud a little bit. But yeah, I went to Catholic kindergarten and grammar school in high school.
Speaker 3:I went kindergarten through eighth, which is why high school was very different for me.
Speaker 1:I have the scars.
Speaker 3:Where'd you go to high school, Chickawaga Central? Oh wow, but it was. It's a story.
Speaker 1:It's a story.
Speaker 3:It is a story when I was growing up, my parents would say just so long as you behave and you get good grades and you don't get in trouble or whatever, we'll send you to Catholic school. In the year that I was transitioning from eighth to ninth grade, the tuition went up like threefold and they couldn't afford it. So they had to sit me down and tell me that and I was like no, you promised, so I went to. They used to make it sound like regular school was prison.
Speaker 2:So I'm like I don't want to go to prison.
Speaker 3:It was the best thing for me, was it? It was, I have to say, I was very shy, introverted, don't say a word Very shy and introverted, or whatever, and it really. It opened up my world because, I lived in a very I lived in a bubble and I can honestly say that it was so you were at a bubble boy, I was a bubble boy. It was two sets of people Catholics and non-practicing Catholics.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:And we all went to the same church or didn't go to the same church but we were all Catholics.
Speaker 1:What school were you at my first day? St John Gualbert's in Chico, oahu. Oh, I went to kindergarten there. Yeah, st John Gualbert's, when I was a go to kindergarten no, you're older than me, thank god. Well, no, because who was your teacher? Uh, I don't remember her name. She liked to drink buttermilk. I could look it up because my one of my best friends in high school. I was at his house, like when we first met, we met in high school and I'm in his house. I'm like, you know, freshman year, and I'm like, hey, what's that picture? And it was his kindergarten, you know, because his cause, his parents, house, kindergarten picture, school picture. And he's like, oh, no, that's me. And I'm like, oh, that's me. Are you serious? That's wild, that is really wild. So, yeah, I went to Goldberg's. Wow, I don't remember anything other than my teacher drank buttermilk. I wanted.
Speaker 1:Well, cool, I was a manipulator from right now yes, I guess, I guess, I, uh, I actually, where'd you go to high school?
Speaker 2:alden oh, yeah, I was a farm boy public alden public school kids yeah um.
Speaker 1:I was looking, you said that funny looking back, well, it's because I'm jealous, like you know, going to saint mary's, I don't know we had to pay extra, right? So why are we paying extra for? Well, now, I know you guys had band and pools and theater and all this stuff and we had nothing. And to defray, to defray the cost of tuition. I was on something called scum crew and fridays after school, kids that were getting a little extra money for tuition would clean the school along with the janitor.
Speaker 1:And that's where John discovered that little steel box in each stall of the women's bathroom. And I didn't know what it was and the first time I emptied it.
Speaker 3:Surprise.
Speaker 1:I think I may still be living through those scars. I bet, I bet. So you went to Alden, so you lived around here forever.
Speaker 3:Grew up here.
Speaker 2:Well, I grew up now in Lancaster. We moved here, but I grew up in Alden, actually originally from Depew, and then we moved to. Alden, and then I moved out to Chicago for a number of years.
Speaker 1:Oh, you give off Chicago vibes yeah.
Speaker 2:I like Chicago.
Speaker 1:Doesn't he have a Chicago vibe? Whereas give off chicago vibes, yeah you do, you got like chicago. Doesn't he have a chicago vibe, whereas you have like a south beach kind of vibe? You have, like that, met like that cosmopolitan man about town thing. Wow, he's more of a hot dog, murder you and dump you in a green river kind of guy the home of john wayne gacy.
Speaker 2:Yeah see, at least my middle name doesn't have a way in it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, those guys with three first names. Yeah, yeah, that's a thing. That's a thing. Yeah, I have two daughters in their 20s and they're both, you know, because they're daughters in their 20s they're all into like real crime podcasts. So they told me about some hotel in Chicago where, like, the proprietor would invite these young women in and put them in the room and basically kidnap them, take them in the basement and murder them and did that like over and over and over and over. Wow, yeah.
Speaker 2:Well, John Wayne Gacy, he was. He was a clown, he was the clown guy, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:Nice, I like watching DUI arrests. I don't know why I just do YouTube. I just podcasts. I don't know why I just do youtube it just. It amazes me what people say and do and how they're not drunk. But they can't get out of the car, or you know anyway no, that's fine I watched those for for a long time yeah, bored wow, but I I find them very, very interesting and my favorite line is I had one beer, oh yeah yeah, they fall.
Speaker 1:they fall out of the car, but they had one beer. Oh yeah, they fall out of the car, but they had one beer. It was just continuous and it was 19 hours long. Yeah, I may have had a cocktail or two and driven, and I think I dodged that bullet and I'm a better person for realizing what a stupid asshole I was.
Speaker 3:Well, I'm amazed that I made it home many nights yeah. I had one car accident.
Speaker 1:Did you?
Speaker 3:But it's a story you know everything's. I don't know if you understand how podcasting works, but we tell stories so it was my friend's birthday and he was a bouncer at uh cassidy's oh no, if you remember absolutely, and uh.
Speaker 3:So I was driving because I usually drink the late least, but at cass's they used to give out free shots or whatever, and so we were quite drunk because it was his birthday and they kicked him out of the bar because he was doing inappropriate things as one does as one does when one's drunk and celebrating their birthday, and so we decided we were going to go out to another bar, go bar hopping instead of just staying at one bar, decided we were going to go out to uh another bar, go bar hopping instead of just staying at one bar.
Speaker 3:so I'm driving down main street and I had a big um chrysler lebaron it's huge, so like a 70s vintage one.
Speaker 1:Oh so you drove a battleship. Yeah, it was a battleship and it was.
Speaker 3:And uh, anyway, I'm going down main street and this guy pulls out in front of me and we, we touch, you know. And I said, oh no, I'm not stopping because we're all you know we're out of our gourd. So I kept going and all of a sudden my friend goes, like I think they're following us and I'm like, so I pull over and I get out and, uh, I look at my car and the whole front side panel is like crushed.
Speaker 1:Oh, so when you say touched, hang on. That's why I said it's a story.
Speaker 3:So I go and I'm yelling at the guy. Look at what you did to my car you know, this, that and the other thing. I want your, you know your name, your insurance company. I want all your information or whatever. And he very nicely gave it to me and we decided to go home. So I went home and I woke up the next morning and I thought I better take a look at that car and see how bad it is.
Speaker 3:It was my car, I owned it, but better take a look at it before my parents see it you know, so I go out and remember those little plastic lights on the side. That's the only thing that was hurt on my car. Really I still remember till this day seeing that entire panel gone. That's how much we drank that night, whoa so I called the guy up and I said to him hi, hi, uh, I, I'm the guy we met by accident yesterday and he's like how are you doing this morning?
Speaker 2:And I'm like doing good.
Speaker 3:But you know, I took a second look at my car and it's really not as bad as I thought, and so his next comment was so how much were you guys drinking last night and I told him the story.
Speaker 3:Very nice man, very nice man, very nice man. But anyway he didn't care because it was a pizza delivery car, it wasn't even his and it had some damage to it already, so he really didn't care. But yeah, that's probably my worst drunk story. I have a few, but that was probably the worst I was a bouncer for years.
Speaker 1:I have hundreds probably Mostly at Sunset Bay at the beach, but I worked at college in a bar and I worked here and there. I worked someplace I don't think it exists anymore called Elmwood J Fudd's and it seems innocuous. It was a biker bar and my first day biker group A decided to argue with biker group b and if the cook hadn't been one of the groups and sort of defuse the situation, I think I would have got stabbed because wow, did things escalate. And I was, I was 16, I might have been 15, uh did you know john lamont?
Speaker 1:no, do you know, john lamont?
Speaker 3:yeah, he bounced there.
Speaker 1:Oh, it was so long ago I might have. That's the worst part of being a bouncer. Like you know, I saw 18,000 people and every now and then I'll get that. Hey, John, what's up? Hi, how are you? Things look good. Oh, you look great. Yeah, Work retail.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you'd be amazed.
Speaker 1:I bet, did you work at the Gap? You look like a Gap guy.
Speaker 3:No, it was a place called.
Speaker 1:Merry-go-round, you had a skinny tie, please have a skinny tie. Well, of course I did. It was the 80s Ever crappy he worked shirtless.
Speaker 3:His place, his place, his place.
Speaker 1:And then it was called something else. Yeah, I worked there for about two years, oh okay, sold shoes for a while. I never worked retail. I never did anything in restaurants like that. I don't think I could like.
Speaker 1:The one of the things I think is amazing is when you give your old man breakfast order and she doesn't write it down yep that blows my mind because, like, if you tell me six numbers, I have to say them over and over and over and over in my head till I get somewhere where I can write them down or use them.
Speaker 3:However, I need to I I'm amazed, but that's why they bring it and it's not what you ordered a lot of times.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's also why I'm agreeable, like that's fine, that's close enough.
Speaker 2:Getting a coffee now is an adventure, isn't it? Oh, what do you mean? The different types? Well, yeah when you go and you, you know, you never know what's going to be in there. I ordered it, just you know you know, with cream, no sugar, and you get double sugar and you got to come back around and it's just how much, how many mistakes there is nowadays. It's crazy, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Really. But it's also weird Again, old man breakfast conversation when we were kids. If you had told, if I had told my dad, I think I want a cup of coffee he would have thought are you from Mars? Kids don't drink coffee.
Speaker 3:We did.
Speaker 2:Yeah, we did?
Speaker 1:We didn't Really.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, we were brought up on it. I remember as a kid it must be a public school thing. I mean, we used to go to my great-grandmother's, and four years old we were already drinking coffee Boy.
Speaker 1:that explains things.
Speaker 3:I don't want to say four, I remember, but definitely being younger Really, yeah.
Speaker 1:Oh man, my parents would have thought I was bonkers ordering coffee.
Speaker 3:It was less expensive than soda, oh yeah.
Speaker 1:Coffee was dirt cheap and only came in like one variety, and my mom enjoyed a good Sanka sometimes.
Speaker 3:Oh, instant coffee.
Speaker 1:That's what my parents drank, unless company was coming over, that's it yep lots of senka there was definitely a lot of senka kicking around the house.
Speaker 3:Nescafe for us yeah, what was the one that came out that all of a sudden it took over after nescafe? I can't remember. It was a square jar rather than the round jar.
Speaker 1:It's still around folgers, that's what I'm trying to come, it's still around, I think. Anyway is that the one that never compliments my coffee at home commercial am I true?
Speaker 3:no, I don't know, I love hanging out with the airplane. We don't really know, right, like we don't. Funny, he never has a second cup of coffee at home.
Speaker 1:It's okay, I speak jive there are so many, let's not start no, but that's another thing that I think is along the lines of me and my contemporaries. I could have conversations with you guys about specifically, without ever saying a word that wasn't spoken in a movie, right? Because I mean, I feel like that was a way to communicate.
Speaker 3:Absolutely.
Speaker 1:Like this morning when I saw you, I was like Barneke he owes me money and it's right there, like I don't remember it until it just comes out of my head yeah yeah, oh, and in case you're wondering, today is the day that. Uh, today is the 41st anniversary of the breakfast club getting detention really this is the day that they were in detention, apparently. Wow, I know that's what the internet's good for were you there? Arguing with people and knowing stupid facts like today's detention day.
Speaker 3:You're welcome Watching Jeopardy, tina always says to me now how did you?
Speaker 2:know that and I'll be like I don't know why I know that, but I know that.
Speaker 3:Not all the questions, but some of them.
Speaker 2:We just started watching the Beverly Hillbillies. Oh my God, again. What is that on?
Speaker 1:It's oh my god, again. What is that on? It's on five. Well, we were watching and we stream so we get the streaming.
Speaker 2:Oh, so I'm watching it right from the beginning, which was really so wait, you're binging the beverly old billy, yeah nice, it's awesome because you know you used to see him, but you wouldn't watch it in order and it makes so much more sense once you start watching it right from the beginning, with the pilot and everything, and see how the show unfolds, and it's hilarious so when I add on paper, I still say carry the knot.
Speaker 3:Do you remember that, jeffrey Bodine, is that a thing? And then you carry the knot, carry the knot, and I still think that, but you know he was an Oxford graduate. Was he really Jeffery Bodine? Yeah, and his father was back there, miss.
Speaker 2:Hathaway thought he was like a well-educated man. He was only in fifth grade.
Speaker 3:Wow yeah, those were great, though.
Speaker 2:Oh yeah, I unfortunately don't think the comedies today are like they used to Remember the episode with the crawdads when he was being followed around by the hippies.
Speaker 1:No, they thought he was going to get you crawdads. And they thought he was going to have pot in there, but it was actually crawdads Wow.
Speaker 1:Old TV is hysterical, although some of it is very watchable, some of it. Karen and I sat down and watched one or two episodes of the Old Love Boat that did not hold up. I mean honestly, I think if the three of us went to a set that looked like a small cruise ship, we could figure out an episode just right there, because the acting was horrid. There was always that one guest star that was completely random. It was usually Charo, who I don't even know. Why was Charo a thing other than she was? Mr?
Speaker 3:B-shit. What I truly think, that's when her career took off.
Speaker 1:There used to be. Do you know joey bishop? I do know joey bishop, so it was one of the joey bishop show he used to have a talk show and she came on and she couldn't say bishop, and she called her mr bishop.
Speaker 2:Yeah, coochie, coochie girl.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and she's actually I don't you probably know this a classical guitarist.
Speaker 1:I thought you were talking about the fact that the nuns told me I shouldn't touch myself, and it was mr bishan oh okay, all right, I just didn't know where your brain was going with that. Yeah, I remember her playing like, like classical flamenco guitar I guess, yeah yeah but I never completely understood what she was initially famous for, other than I guess that she was kooky and pretty and would gladly wear like two-piece spangly bathing suits back in the day, back in the day, when that was a skill set.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, but yeah, the love boat doesn't hold up, does not hold up at all. And then you know you get to and you know this is an old man thing, but some of the things that they would do, like they'd say about women or say about minorities, it's like wait, that was tv let's talk about all my family.
Speaker 3:Oh my god, yeah, watch those episodes and it's like yeah, whoa yeah, but that was that.
Speaker 1:That almost. I mean, that was almost so blatant. It was kind of you know, it was kind of on purpose, but like the like it was just in all those things. What else did I watch? That was like an old one and, uh, one of those manics rockford files, one of those same thing. It's like this was tv.
Speaker 3:Oh okay, that explains, explains some things I love watching, like carol burnett show and ed sullivan. When the audience is dressed in suits and dresses, it's like they're all clapping.
Speaker 1:You won't see that now, yeah no, yeah, absolutely right, it's like getting dressed up to fly right. So see that now. Yeah, no, yeah, absolutely right, it's like getting dressed up to fly right. So tell us a little bit about the beverly hillbillies. Like I don't remember, I mean I I remember sort of the the beginning, with the grandma sitting on the roof in a rocking chair, kind of thing, but I can't say that I remember anything other than usually there was a guest star trying to bilk them out of their oil.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I'm going to tell you a story about a man named Jed yeah Poor mountaineer barely kept his family fed. Then one day he was shooting at some coon and up from the Bubbling crude.
Speaker 2:Oil, that is Black gold, texas tea, texas tea.
Speaker 3:Okay, so, so you do know the storyline. That's the storyline in every show that they did.
Speaker 2:But you know, what was great, though, is when they first got to the mansion at Beverly Hills. That was hilarious the cement pond.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:She's washing the clothes out on the cement pond and everything. And then she started. She had this beautiful kitchen, you know, and Jethro goes down and cuts down a telephone pole to put wood in the oven and burns it Nice phone pole to put wood in the in the oven and burns up nice, nice, and that was comedy.
Speaker 3:It was comedy, it was hilarious and you, you watch it today and it's still funny it's still funny.
Speaker 1:There's a bunch of the mary tyler moore show is still very funny, very it's still very funny because every now and then I'll be flipping through those antenna tv things and some of those are incredibly hysterical.
Speaker 1:But then, like like I was such a nerd, like a science nerd from the beginning, like like Star Trek, like it was the only thing I was allowed to watch during dinner really if it was on and we were having dinner, I could watch it, and I watched the original Star Trek and I'm like oh, oh, I got duped into that, oh, yeah but I, you know, I still aspire. There's a place in ticonderoga, new york, some guy bought, all bought or built original sets, so there's like the engine room, the bridge really yeah in his home and you can. He bought a warehouse and did it yeah and I guess once a year, like you know convention or somebody, will you know, whoever's still alive will come out and that's pretty cool yeah I'm a nerd.
Speaker 1:I apologize if you build it, they will come. Basically, I guess sports guys, I'm not really a sports guy- yeah I'm not, you're more. You're a sports guy because you you also play a diversity of sport, right, like I know I've heard you talk about hockey.
Speaker 2:Yeah, play old man hockey. We've been skating for the last 35 years together really yeah, yeah and we just gotten slower together, so nobody notices you know, if we tape us then you'd have to play it in fast speed just to get it up to normal.
Speaker 1:Wow, 35 years. Yeah, it's moving, yeah wow, but it's fun.
Speaker 2:You know it's just, everybody gets older together and stuff, and you know. Now, it's just, you know, completing a pass is a uh is a thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's a thing, you know yeah, half my half my company is in, or used to be in, canada, especially around like waterloo, ontario, and all those guys like after work. You know, some people go out for drinks after work they'd go out to play hockey, or before work they'd go out to play hockey, or before work they'd go out to play hockey, depending on when you could get ice time. Yeah, I, I think I suck at a lot of sports. Honestly. I'm like I've always done like strength stuff or throwing things. I can't, I can't catch this, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3:I can't catch to save my life for some reason. And yeah, are you a sport guy? I am not. I didn't become sportsmanlike until I was older. Nice, uh but uh, volleyball I played, yeah, yeah that's where I originally met some of the pickleballers oh yeah yeah, so when we were playing or whatever, and all of a sudden they were coming in, we're like, oh my god, look who you are. Nice, I remember you. But we played together like twice a week maybe. So yeah, Paul and.
Speaker 1:Marianne.
Speaker 3:Oh and Barb.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:They were all volleyballers.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think I played a year like I don't know what you want to call it, like bar league, up at Sportsplex outside in the sand. Now I would die.
Speaker 3:can you imagine running around in sand now I'd have a heart attack well, I always laugh about it when, when I was playing volleyball, a friend of mine lived in rochester and he was talking about playing sandball and I'm like, yeah, I play in sand, you know he goes oh because, well, they put up nets at the beach and you know we play. Well, they don't have wood underneath their sand oh, it's just more sand, it's just sand so I'd go to jump or whatever.
Speaker 3:And you think I don't jump high. Now you should see me jump in sand. It's like really bad. And he goes. I thought you played sandball. I do, but on a court. Modified. But yeah, I was older I didn't play sports at all. And then I hit puberty and I was the tallest kid in the class. So suddenly I became good at basketball and football. So they wanted me to play or whatever. But no, yeah.
Speaker 3:And my father was never wasn't home a lot I shouldn't say never home, but he was the second shift guy so I really didn't see him much to help coach me. My father, I guess was was pretty good at baseball and basketball when he was younger, but yeah.
Speaker 1:He was pretty good at baseball and basketball when he was younger. Yeah, I had an uncle that was the talent scout for the Tigers and he's like you want to come out and see a game. I'm like no. He's like you can sit in a president's box.
Speaker 3:Is that something?
Speaker 1:I've got this autographed thing from Al Kaline. It's okay, thanks.
Speaker 3:And tennis I played.
Speaker 1:Yeah, oh no, thank you, which is why.
Speaker 2:I now thanks. So yeah, and tennis I played. Yeah, oh no, thank you, which is so hot, are you a?
Speaker 1:goalie no gosh, like goal, like whoever's been, your goalie must be like the guy right because, like I knew, I worked, used to work with a guy who was a goalie and it's like being like the hot blonde at a party. Like you are the most popular person in the room if you're willing to be goalie. Because every you know, first of all, the equipment. I had no idea how much hockey equipment cost. Oh, yeah that's, that's that's a commitment.
Speaker 2:That's the thing. It's crazy now it's just the cost of sticks and I mean sticks are going for five hundred dollars really sticks.
Speaker 1:Now I mean, if you, yeah, yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 2:I mean, it's insane, you know, even like baseball bats, you know, like bats nowadays for the kids.
Speaker 1:I mean it's crazy what they're, they're getting it's bats, you know, like bats nowadays for the kids.
Speaker 2:I mean it's crazy what they're getting. It's all these, you know, composites and all this you know all this stuff.
Speaker 3:Let's go back to pickleball. I started with a $25 paddle and now you're looking at $240, $250 for a paddle and you know how much different is it going to be for you.
Speaker 1:I came very close the other day, like I got the itch again like, oh, maybe I do need a different paddle. And then I then I started because I was talking to bill and he he mentioned that they're outlawing a bunch of paddles and I'm like, oh, maybe I need.
Speaker 2:They're against the rules maybe I need all the titanium ones.
Speaker 1:Yeah I don't know there's, there's something about them that makes them illegal. But yeah, I don't know. I I can't believe. And I would say the same thing about a baseball bat for a little leaguer that can't hit a ball. I don't think a paddle is going to change how I play pickleball. I think being less fat, a little more mobile and maybe not 57 might make me better at pickleball.
Speaker 3:The paddle just is whatever might make me better at pickleball. The paddle just is whatever. But it is funny how you know, you start with something and then all of a sudden you start growing.
Speaker 2:Yeah I think, I think every sport's got their gear thing right like everybody wants the thing but hockey is expensive yeah, you know, it does make a difference, though, as you, when you're younger and stuff like that, it's, it's, you know and there's levels.
Speaker 1:I mean crap gear in any sport is crap gear, right? I mean there's probably, you know, at least two levels, right? There's that intro gear that you know your mom bought because she doesn't know if you've committed to the sport yet. And then there's the better stuff, but then there's the. You know you see little jimmy kicking ass on the ice and it's like, oh, he wears those, I need those, yeah.
Speaker 2:So but there's a little overkill too, I think at certain ages, like my grandson is. Just, you know he's in the entry regals, program and stuff and you know I get his skates now at play it again I thought you were gonna say I get his skates like he's got some damn big feet, if you get in skates.
Speaker 3:Nice, well done.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. Now is there like old man league, or is it old man pickup hockey.
Speaker 2:Well, this is old man just pickup hockey and stuff. There is old man leagues too.
Speaker 1:The Bald Eagles League. The Bald Eagles, I like it.
Speaker 2:It's over 50, but 50 is young. You know when you start getting into guys that are 60s, 70s. Yeah, we got one guy that's 71 that skates with us Really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, wow, I don't know. I feel like at some point I'm going to be really afraid of falling and I feel like hockey seems like one of those things where you fall, but you wouldn't stop until you fell.
Speaker 3:Oh great, no, I'm just saying, I mean, that's how you do it.
Speaker 2:You got to, I guess I mean, I've got a bad ankle, I wear that brace or whatever. But I play.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I probably shouldn't why do you have a bad ankle? Did you do something? Or you're just wear and tear? It's a story. Here it comes. It's a story.
Speaker 3:When I was in eighth grade playing basketball because I was the tallest kid in I went up for a rebound and came down and crushed it or whatever, and it's never been the same.
Speaker 1:So eighth grade.
Speaker 3:Damn yeah. So it's a trick ankle. So every now and again, uh, it just goes out. So it twice at, uh, at the Elks where we play, or whatever went out. So that's why I start wearing the bracelet.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow, yeah, I'm uh. Yeah, I don't want to get hurt. No, I'm a wuss, I don't either. I, uh, I don't. I've never had a real significant injury in all the stupid sports I've done, I've never been in the hospital. Knock on nog, hide um, you mean for anything for anything uh wow yeah, I had a vasectomy. Do you want me to tell that story?
Speaker 3:Is it a story you know? It kind of is.
Speaker 1:Only in the fact that I don't know what they gave me, and you guys have witnessed it right, like if I have a little too much caffeine in me, I'm just a blathering idiot. This is pretty much who I was the whole time. So the nurse is 80. And I kept her. You know, like you know, usually when a girl gets to this stage she at least buys me dinner for, and I just kept going on that and I'm doing it really loud. Like I came into the, the uh waiting room afterwards and everybody knew I could hear everything and the, the tiny little four foot tall indian doctor, I I kept saying, hey, are you done cutting my testicles off? And the only thing we are not cutting off your testicles.
Speaker 1:So it was, it was it was dumb but it was, that's it. That's it for hospital-y stuff.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know, I know.
Speaker 3:It's pretty good. I've only been a couple of times. Our polyneidosis story, that's one of them. Your what, who, the what, uh-huh, yeah, and then Another story.
Speaker 1:Oh, of course there's another story, and then my thing on my neck.
Speaker 3:Oh, sorry for that noise.
Speaker 2:The thing on my neck that I had.
Speaker 3:That was a three-day stay. That cost a lot of money, so I could only imagine a 13-day stay, what that cost oh. When the bill came in, I called and I said I think there's a mistake nope, there's no mistake.
Speaker 2:Wow anyway, when I was thank goodness for insurance.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, that's when you know you need it, you don't. Yeah, when my, when my dad, when I was in seventh grade, my dad had a heart attack and needed open heart back in the day, when they cut you from stem to stern and and he owned his own gas station on broadway and he was done working, in fact, I ran. I skipped half of seventh grade or eighth grade I can't, I'm so old now I don't remember and worked in the gas station just to keep my family kind of afloat. Um, but that was a number that they just never recovered from. I mean, I grew up poorish because I don't know. It was a first of all. It was like a 38 hour surgery or something ridiculous like like yeah, yeah, because back in the day it was a whole procedure.
Speaker 1:Now it's like we put four little holes in you and we send you home two days later. You know people are walking out of the hospital like with you. Know, oh, I got a hip replaced. They made me get right up.
Speaker 2:That's amazing.
Speaker 3:A friend of mine had a hip replacement and was home the next day. That's crazy. Actually I don't even want to say the next day. I think he went home that day.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:They got him up and yep yeah that's the way it is now.
Speaker 2:with that, it used to be real bad.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah.
Speaker 2:My buddy had his done when he was in his 30s because he had a real bad hip. He had the old-fashioned one where they cut you Right. You know the scar was like 18 inches long and he had to go actually to rehab. You know he had to sit and then like go to you know a place on Broadway, you know Greenfield. Oh, yeah, he was in Greenfield for like a week, Like in the home base.
Speaker 3:Wow.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Because he couldn't even go home, because it was because that's when they used to cut the bone and then they would pound it, and it was a brutal surgery.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know what they figured out.
Speaker 2:And then the second one was like two inches, and then he was home that two days later.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. My college roommate had a knee surgery before I knew him and he had that scar that went from like shin to thigh on both sides and it just he looked like Frankenstein.
Speaker 2:And he was never the same again, by the way, like I know so many people that have had replacements that like you wouldn't know, it's very different. Look at al. Look at al he's. He moves around. Great now with the knees. Yeah, my buddy that skates with us. Yeah, he had two knee replacements. He's like the bionic man. He's that shoulder, two knees, an elbow wow. And he was a weightlifter.
Speaker 1:He was like yeah, great, don't point at me like that Now I feel cursed Like oh no, Although, you know, maybe it's time to replace some things.
Speaker 3:I don't know. Talk about different equipment. How your strongman stuff?
Speaker 1:Oh my God, I was afraid he pointed at my crotch and said talk about different equipment.
Speaker 3:I'm like I am keeping certain things where they are Like I am keeping certain things where they are. Well, you brought it up originally with the vasectomy thing, so let's begin with that, just so you know. They did not cut my testicles off, apparently, but watching some of the different exercises they do as compared to when World's Strongest man was first on TV is amazing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's a guy who comes to the gym. He came in sixth at World's Strongest man.
Speaker 3:Oh, wow.
Speaker 1:Oh he's –'s. I mean, we're a species, he's some superior species, he's just. I've seen him do things that I just find astounding. They are just different humans. But you're right, like back it was almost gimmicky, or when we were kids, right, because it was like oh, you're going to bench press these Playboy bunnies. Or I watched one the other day where basically the competition was can you bend this rebar over either your head?
Speaker 3:or use your teeth Big time no, but the world's strongest man when we were younger is compared to what happens now.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, Now they're hyper athletes and everything's kind of like.
Speaker 3:Carrying a boat and pulling a plane, yeah, all that stuff. Yeah, I can barely pick up the rope let alone. You know the rest of it so I give them a lot of credit for that nice.
Speaker 1:Um, I don't want to leave medical just yet because I and I did talk to dale before um about his recent medical scare. Uh, can you tell us a little bit of what you went through?
Speaker 2:yeah, it was just um a prostate issue yeah um, but uh, it was bph and a lot of us older guys that, uh, I didn't realize. You know what an issue you know it has become in our society.
Speaker 3:Yeah, no, you know I don't know what BPH is.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be honest with you. It's benign plastic or plestesis hyperplasmy. That's the A growth. No, it's actually your prostate just doesn't stop growing, it gets bigger and it's just. But I think a lot of it is environmental factors. A lot of it is the water, the foods we eat.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:You know of. It is the water, the foods we eat. You know you got all the hormones and all of the antibiotics and the foods and, and it causes male issues. And my doctor, who's been fan, who's fantastic, um, he said that, uh, it's so commonplace now yeah, that's, that's the, that's the scary part yeah, it's, it's a thing yeah, he said that a lot of times that you know people will show up after Bills games because they can't urinate. You know because they get swollen and everything like that and it's a real problem.
Speaker 2:And that's kind of what happened to me, and not from a Bills game, but just from you know, just couldn't go Just life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and just so I had to have you know surgery. But thank the good Lord there's great doctors that do that kind of surgery and stuff. But if I can say one thing to the guys out there and stuff, don't play around with it, because I never thought that that could be a thing where it would shut right off. So if you're having problems and you're going to the bathroom a lot and you're struggling, get in to see a urologist because it's worth it.
Speaker 3:So what did you think it was?
Speaker 2:I knew it was the prostate. Yeah, I knew it was, but I never in my wildest dreams ever thought that it would shut down like that. I didn't even know it could do that to be honest, what is that sensation of?
Speaker 1:I mean, do you still feel like you need to pee and just nothing's going? Oh Jesus. Sensation of, I mean, do you still feel like you need to pee?
Speaker 2:and just nothing. Yeah going, oh jesus really. Yeah, it was bad. Yeah, I should have went to the emergency room that night. But yeah, unfortunately I didn't because we're, because we don't, because we're boys. Yeah, that's honestly.
Speaker 1:Thank you for bringing this up dale, because we are dumb men right and if we don't have women in our lives, we'd probably go to the doctor even less frequently yeah, I mean, you mean, you know, they didn't.
Speaker 2:You know, my kid, my kids were over that day and they didn't even know what to say. You know?
Speaker 3:Right, you know.
Speaker 2:I'm doing everything. So you were in pain, yeah, the whole night.
Speaker 3:Or just uncomfortable or pain. Yeah, I just didn't sleep.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I was in pain, I was you know, getting spasms and everything and stuff and it just you know, but realistic. I'm lucky that my bladder didn't explode.
Speaker 1:To be honest with you, is that a thing, yeah?
Speaker 2:jesus, yeah, you can only hold so much awesome getting old yeah, and it's just, but it just, you know, was a whole other level. I just I never knew I could get that and I should have realized, yeah, yeah, I should have went in, but now I know all of it, I could write a book on. You know all that I've learned.
Speaker 1:Well, let's let's talk a little bit about what you learned, because I really don't know that much other than I have a prostate and apparently it can make me completely stop peeing, even though I have to pee. It just happens.
Speaker 2:Well, I think it's a period over time it just gets worse and worse and it grows. And what it does? It impinges on your urethra. It pinches it right. Yeah, it pinches it shut.
Speaker 1:Now looking back, because I don't know. But did you see it coming?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I should have known that week. To be honest, I noticed some changes and it was becoming more difficult and more frequent and I should have reacted to it sooner. And, like I said, to help anybody really yeah, I appreciate that. Yeah, just it's an issue in today and it has changed me just from a standpoint of how I'm eating now and stuff and I'm doing much more research on the foods to eat. Is there?
Speaker 1:an impact of what you eat? Yeah, there is, really there is. Yeah, doing much more research on you know the foods to eat. Is there an impact of what you?
Speaker 2:eat. Yeah, there is, yeah, there is yeah. Tomatoes are real good for you because it's got lycopene in it Okay. I bought three prostate books.
Speaker 1:I've been reading, you know, I've been watching.
Speaker 2:YouTube videos from you know urologists and stuff like yeah, you know and how to you know?
Speaker 1:keep it from going back.
Speaker 2:Okay, keep it from going back because, uh, you know, um, even somebody I spoke to recently, I won't say who, but they said they've had, you know, the surgery I had twice.
Speaker 1:Yeah Twice.
Speaker 2:Oh, you mean, you could yeah oh cause they had it once and then they had to have it again. Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1:I'm not the I'm not the brightest guy in the room, but when I go through something like that, it does teach me like I used to weigh 100 pounds more until my blood sugar was, you know, a1c was 13, and I'm like maybe I should do something about it.
Speaker 2:So yeah, yeah, it's, it's, it's a thing yeah I mean, you know, and, like you say, as we get older and stuff, it's just it's. You know, sometimes we don't react to things the way we should. Well, it's with as much yeah, and I appreciate you.
Speaker 1:I mean, like I have so many friends like, if we're, if I'm driving to a competition, we now factor in the okay, about an hour and a half from now, I'm gonna need to pee, and it's not negotiable, it's I'm gonna need to pee yeah I mean I've run off a couple, like I ran off a plane in denver, like basically like a little kid with like basically the death grip on my dick in, like in my pants, because I'm like if I let go it's letting go because you know you get to that window where they don't let you get up. Yeah, oh, oh, I should have, oh, I should have. Um, and now with the glucose monitor, my blood sugar is so much better and I don't really struggle as much. But the other thing I want to bring up and I didn know are there any other foods that are good and or bad for my prostate?
Speaker 2:Well, less red meat is eating less red meat is definitely a positive for yeah, if you can eat more organic stuff, yeah, organic chicken. You know that I've seen. You know that I've seen eating the way my doctor told me I was eating closer to the earth. You know more veggies.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:More, you know, that kind of a diet and stuff, I mean, which is for someone who likes meat and potatoes and a little steak and everything like that. It's definitely a change. But you know what, sometimes when you go through something, you're like, you know, john, just like yourself, right, yeah, you, just you do what you got to do. Absolutely something you're like. You know, john, just like yourself, right with the yeah, you, just you do what you got to do absolutely and every now that starts tasting a lot better and better choices?
Speaker 2:yeah, because I don't want to go through that ever again. I mean, a catheter is not the way to go.
Speaker 1:Believe me, it's not it's not on the top 10 list for guys never had no yeah, it's you know.
Speaker 2:and then, even when they want you to do you know, when the option well, you don't have to do it all the time, you could do it yourself. That was not an option.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's honestly half the reason I wanted to talk to you about it was what can we do to avoid it? And then, when you mentioned that, they said that you could catheterize yourself. I'm thinking, no, I can't.
Speaker 2:No, no, I can't.
Speaker 1:Absolutely not. I can barely eat a hard-boiled egg.
Speaker 2:I'm definitely not sticking anything anywhere like that. Yeah, no, that was definitely not even an option.
Speaker 3:But sometimes you do what you got to do.
Speaker 2:Oh, I Like the needle. Yeah, I mean you know I take Ozempic.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I never thought I'd be able to do that, but it's become a habit. Once a week it's not bad at all, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1:And you don't. You don't take any kind of shot, right? Oh, I do, I do. I'm on Lantus daily, so once a day. But I mean the needles that long and tiny.
Speaker 3:Do you use a nano needle or a small needle?
Speaker 1:It's a pen, so it's not yeah.
Speaker 3:So it's call it because they gave me a small instead of a nano. Yeah, and I went, it looks a little bit bigger like that well, maybe that's what you take. Yeah, that's what you take. So I did it and I'm like oh no, I called and I go do you have those nano? Needles, because this is bothering me, so but yeah, you do what you got to do sometimes I did.
Speaker 1:I did manjaro for a little while. Um, they want to give that a shot. Before I got the glucose monitor, my blood sugar would be all over the place and I never knew it because I would measure it in the morning and it'd be super high, and then I'd measure it just before lunch and it'd be super low but you keep saying that but it's not the monitor itself, that's no, it's the data, it's it's the data.
Speaker 3:It's now I know.
Speaker 1:Important is the data and the first thing about the data when I show it, when the you know because the doctor you know in this day and age they see the data as I see the data, she's like, oh, you're on too much insulin, like it was driving it up and down, so I went on less and it's smooth though so lantis lantis is once a day insulin it's actual insulin it is.
Speaker 3:It's not a insulin inhibitor. No, it's long or not inhibitor.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it's not inhibitor, but that manjaro shit. I did that for a little while, dropped weight and muscle like instantly, but god did I feel horrid, just horrid, and it wasn't worth it. So I, I, you know, like, like you with your prostate, it's, it's. What can I do to avoid being on this, because this is not how I want to live my life, right.
Speaker 3:But has your doctor told you that you're on it forever? It's not the plan it wasn't the plan for me either, but that was the news. I got the last doctor that I went to. Oh no, you're going to be on this Because I'm like I want to get off this.
Speaker 1:What do I have to do to get off it? And they're like probably not. Well, part of it is where your pancreas is, I think, in its life cycle. Um, and it's not the worst thing. I mean, thank god it exists and I I'm glad I'm not a type 1 diabetic where I'm like titrating to every meal there was a kid at work.
Speaker 3:They have to do that.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like I give them a lot of credit, yeah and now I I see the technology just starting to come out where they tie the constant monitor to your to an insulin pump.
Speaker 3:So it's kind of doing its thing. So how have you modified your diet? How has that helped you? I have the. How did you modify?
Speaker 1:for the most, most part, and actually 70% of the time, because I am not against going out and eating some crap to enjoy my life, but 70% of the time morning is a breakfast sandwich or two from Jimmy Dean, lunch is a pound of shrimp, maybe with some vegetables, and dinner may or may not happen, and that's how they say.
Speaker 3:That's the worst thing for a diabetic but it's not see.
Speaker 1:That's the thing with the data, it's not a problem. I have a weird addiction to I have a weird addiction to energy drinks. I love a good energy drink, so you have energy drinks too, they don't bother it at all. That was the first. That was literally the first thing I tested coffee and energy drinks. I'm like is this because? I mean, there's every chemical known to man in those things but do you take sugar-free energy?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah oh, sugar.
Speaker 1:I've done some things just to see, um, potatoes. Potatoes will make my blood sugar like. I don't know what the high score is, but I can get the high score. Um, and fun fact for folks out here, if I haven't mentioned it on here before if you make potatoes or rice, cool them and then reheat them, you create resistant starch and the impact is less than half of what it would be. It's still an impact and I wouldn't recommend it for a diabetic, but it is a thing. The other thing is two capfuls of vinegar in 16 ounces of water before you have carbs. Apparently, the acetic acid will inhibit the carbohydrates from getting in your blood system.
Speaker 3:Plain vinegar or apple cider vinegar.
Speaker 1:They say you can use whatever you want, I just happen to have plain vinegar or red wine vinegar.
Speaker 3:if you're having an evening meal, you know um yeah.
Speaker 1:So again I get dale's point of just trying to avoid you know, whatever you can, how you can, because catheter like. So I've seen commercials like I never completely understood. But I mean, I see commercials where they talk about like get your 170 catheters now for the low price of, and I'm like, so that means that people are deciding to live with catheterization.
Speaker 3:You do what you got to do I know, but I don't know.
Speaker 1:I might've had that guy cut my testicles off if that could have been avoiding catheterization. I have priorities. You know I won't eat eggs. Do you think I'm going to shove? No, it's not, no, no, I used to have a fear that weird, there's a fish that will swim up your, uh, your, reach.
Speaker 3:Yes, yeah.
Speaker 1:See, I don't even know where that it probably exists in, like one lake in Africa, but I'm afraid of it Me too, I have a lot of irrational fears, anyway. So how are you feeling now, dale?
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's a lot better. Yeah, it's like I said, it's you're thankful for. You know the little things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, every day.
Speaker 2:Now, you know what I mean, things you take for granted when you don't have it. You know what I mean when you don't do it and you don't have it, and even like playing pickleball and you know, just being with my friends and you know you, just it's just so much more enjoyable. Yeah, you know, I think that's the. That was the hardest thing. I think, more than anything else, was just the mental aspect of it, for 30 days of, you know, before my surgery, just not knowing, you know the unknown and not being able to do much, and you know it just is, especially when you're active. I think that's the key is and I think that's what, more than anything else, us older athletes I think that's the key is and I think that's what, more than anything else, us older athletes, I think that's what you enjoy so much is just the activity and stuff and it's just.
Speaker 1:But you may have bounced back better because you were active too. I mean a lot of people who are unactive that had run into something like that. It takes them right down, Right Like their life.
Speaker 2:Well, I had a friend that you know. They had a hemorrhagic stroke, nope and the only reason why he made it was because he was an athlete. Yeah, he had a sitting or sitting heart rate of 40. Oh, he was a marathon runner and everything like that and stuff, and he had a hemorrhagic. Now do we know why his quality of life is not? You know the same no, he can't, he's in a wheelchair oh you know and everything like that, but he made it. I mean, I like I said a normal person.
Speaker 2:That would be.
Speaker 1:That wasn't in that kind of shape wouldn't have made it right that you know that's bonkers yeah so, but he's happy now.
Speaker 2:I mean he's you, know they've moved from here down to where their granddaughter is, where their daughter is and their granddaughters and he's you and he's a lot happier and stuff.
Speaker 1:That's good yeah.
Speaker 2:But you know that's sad when you see someone as active as he was. He was a sports guy, so that's why we've got to just be thankful every day.
Speaker 3:Yeah, and do the best you can to stay as healthy as you can, because it can happen to anybody at any time.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah, unfortunately, yeah absolutely no, I don't disagree. And, like I said, activity I mean all my silly podcasts typically have some point where I say you know, do something, I don't care what you do, do something, um, because right. And it's funny, as you're saying that, all I could think of was when I was probably in my 30s, if someone had asked me, you know, if you could go back and tell your 20-year-old something, what would you tell them? And you know, you had this laundry list of you know, do this, don't do this, do this, do this, invest in Apple, blah, blah, blah.
Speaker 1:You know now, at 57, you know sharing life with guys like you. If I could go back and tell my 20 year old something, it's like you know, just enjoy it Just just be grateful, Like just gratitude is is the thing, because it can, it can go away. Right, it can just go away. You can be living your best life and get hit by a meteor.
Speaker 3:Don't be.
Speaker 3:somebody that worked at MNT was um only 50 years old, yeah, Only 50 years old, yeah, worked out every day Six-pack abs, you know the whole nine yards, and went out to dinner with his son and a girlfriend and they were going to like a sports dinner for hockey, yeah, and came home and he said I'm not feeling well. So he went, he regurgitated or whatever, and then all of a sudden, you know, the son said, well, dad, I'll stay home with you because. And he said no, no, no, you go with you know your girlfriend and you go to the dinner or whatever.
Speaker 3:And they came home and he was gone 50, 50 and, and you know, built and worked out you know every day and you know the whole nine yards and I'm like, if it happens, it happens. You know it can be anybody. You can do certain things to help prevent it, but it can happen to anyone at any time.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think that's why I mean, like, I love playing pickleball with you guys, and it's not because it's hyper-competitive, because we're all. I mean, we're all similar level, but I don't think our level is particularly high.
Speaker 3:You consider my level the same as yours. Except, except your level, no well, other than my dale, help me out. Help me out you too.
Speaker 1:Come on, I know other other than you two, who have a level of excellence I will never achieve. No, but it's. It's just like it brings me such joy to be in the community of like guys that you know we didn't all have the same path, but they were pretty damn similar, right like we were. All have the bronco pocket fisherman, or the aspired to, at least I did.
Speaker 3:You know you talk about things that you thought about when you were younger, that you'd like to do. I had a friend who was a bodybuilder. We went to the gym, you know, almost every day, yada, yada, yada. And when I first started cause he was actually younger than me, so I started after he said to me the trick to it is to not make an excuse not to go, make it part of your day to go. And he goes, because the minute you stop and you make excuses, you're going to stop, and through my life, unfortunately, that's been very true.
Speaker 3:You know I'll work out for 10 years and then all of a sudden I won't for two years because all of a sudden all these excuses happen. But there is life that happens taking care of my parents, etc. When they were ill and all that kind of stuff. But if you stop but the thing is is to to continue to do it, no matter what make the time to do it, to be active, to do stuff, and that should help you through yeah, you touched on something that I mean I've discovered through all the conversations on the podcast.
Speaker 1:There's almost this formula where you're some sort of youth athlete and you might go as far as college, like I did, but then you know family and job getting away and suddenly you're 40 and you know you've thrown on a couple extra pounds and you can't really find the time. But you know the kids suddenly are out and then that's kind of where you re-embrace, you know doing something, and I think that's why scott and I started this. It's because a lot of people don't even know where to start.
Speaker 1:It doesn't matter, just do something I mean I'm so pleased with the some of the people that come into pickleball. I don't want to say they're intimidated, but they're intimidated just by the fact that they have to go amongst strangers and and do something. Like I can see, especially with some of the, some of the older women, like there's such a barrier and and I love how welcoming the sport is I mean no one cares right now, show up, do whatever, no one cares. But that that's gotta be hard that first day because I am totally like for as gregarious as I can be as a kid, that barrier, like that door to the gym, I'd be like maybe I'll go tomorrow.
Speaker 2:I mean literally.
Speaker 1:I would be like yeah, I can't, so I applaud. Do something, right, do something.
Speaker 2:Come play pickleball with us yeah, and that's what the cool part is, I think, with our group. That's why you appreciate it so much. We are welcoming and we don't.
Speaker 3:Well, except for John, no, except for me. We've all learned to.
Speaker 2:But you try not to beat on the people. You kind of play. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I do, and not everybody Make and not everybody I don't. That makes you guys no, that makes you guys quality men, because they're. I've seen on occasion someone who doesn't dumb it down for someone who can't move and it's it's hard to watch and you almost want to say something like what you're winning rec league, yay for you.
Speaker 3:Yeah, well done, whatever like I'm not going to serve the same way to Dale as we do for John.
Speaker 2:I understand it's headhunting.
Speaker 1:Do that real high ball.
Speaker 3:Let him hit it.
Speaker 2:John are you ready it's coming. Here you go.
Speaker 1:Good luck. I'm going to be serving it to your left, is this okay? Do you want me to hit it slower? That's fine.
Speaker 3:No, that's not true for the people that are out there. No, it is true, Don't don't he's being modest, that's fine, that's fine.
Speaker 2:I was telling John today that his serve has gotten so much better and it's a lot like your wife's.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I aspire to be Tina. Yeah, wow, in every way.
Speaker 2:I noticed that topspin, that underhand topspin, that's good serve.
Speaker 1:Well, you know the key, we'll talk a little pickleball. Oh the cops shit, eat it quick.
Speaker 3:Did you tell them I was here?
Speaker 1:I did not. I used that fake name you sent me, is this one of those.
Speaker 3:Come, you won the lottery, come to the gym, yeah, basically.
Speaker 1:Basically, but you know I've learned in pickleball that simple is better. But basically, but you know I've learned in pickleball that simple is better, Like, I think, if you try to overthink that silly thing, I think, at least at our level, if you can consistently just put it over the net, you probably win a lot because it's unforced errors. Right, that's really where it comes from, and I make a ton of them.
Speaker 3:As Carl. Did you ever meet Carl who's Carl? He was an instructor there.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:When I first started.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:We're going on two years, so Okay, but he was an instructor and he used to count your unforced errors.
Speaker 1:Really, really, yeah, no, shame you. Yeah, really.
Speaker 3:Nice, you know, you had four unforced errors today. Yeah.
Speaker 1:Well, it's a shame I just started. 20 minutes ago.
Speaker 3:It's a shame I got to go Anyway. But you know what Our group? It is very accepting and I think we welcome people in and it's fun. I think, we make it fun too.
Speaker 1:It's guys like you. I really appreciate you guys. Again. We were strangers a year ago, right, and now I can't get you the hell out of my house, dale. Strangers a year ago, right and now I can't get you the hell out of my house.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you know dale's sitting here in his pajamas and mike is sizing up. Uh, doesn't even have the pajamas. He's got his bubble boy outfit on it's really awkward. He kind of looks like uh I like lady gaga, so I try to oh, is that where I go?
Speaker 1:is that an homage? Yeah, this outfit is an homage, he still thinks it's the moops not the moors.
Speaker 3:What are you talking about? Moops, moops, remember, it's the moors, you idiot.
Speaker 2:Nope. The card says moops.
Speaker 1:The card says moops oh my God, you remember that.
Speaker 3:George Costanza.
Speaker 1:More TV references.
Speaker 3:It was the bubble boy thing Peloponnes that's what Ted Knight said instead of Polo Ponies, right? Yeah, I think, ted Knight Wow.
Speaker 2:Wow, this went sideways. You know what? Are you a Seinfeld guy or you're not a Seinfeld guy?
Speaker 3:I'm not Peloponnese actually is not what I said. It is actually from the Honeymooners oh.
Speaker 1:That was a good show and Ralph Cramden was on stage Speaking of racism and Norton was helping him, or misogyny. I guess we'll go with misogyny.
Speaker 3:Norton said poloponies, and then Ralph started saying it.
Speaker 2:Instead of poloponies. That was a simple show.
Speaker 3:Talk about living so they all were Hysterical.
Speaker 2:It was it was funny.
Speaker 1:Back in my day you had to be funnier because you had one set and you had to do it every week. Black and white yeah it was in black and white and I'm sure they made nothing right. I'm sure they made no money back then in the beginning.
Speaker 3:You know it's sad what some of them made.
Speaker 1:You know, in these big shows they made $200 a week or whatever, and you're like, really, that's all they made yeah, yeah, whatever. Well, gentlemen, mike's blinking over here Like he's about to fall asleep, and I'm trying to get him out of here before he falls asleep. I can. It's a. It's a podcast.
Speaker 3:I can lie. I thought you said I could stay here. I did by here I meant Lancaster, so the fact that I'm wearing my pajamas that Well, the feety part I get Like.
Speaker 1:I like the fact that you have feet in them and that flap in the back is probably utilitarian. Do you think you could do a catheter through?
Speaker 3:there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know there's only one way to find out. I couldn't do it myself. Did you ever have? I can't leave this alone. Did you ever have to do one yourself?
Speaker 3:No, gosh, I just so did you have a visiting nurse.
Speaker 2:I went and I just would go to that oh you would go. I would just drive. Yeah, my daughter was fantastic during it. She picked me up a couple of times because it's a learning curve with it. It really is, because your body, the way your body, processes fluid. Yeah, sometimes you think there's a problem, but there's actually not.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 2:When it's not draining and you're like there's a, you start getting panicked. Oh, I'm panicked just thinking about it in the first couple weeks I was getting panicky because it wasn't, I, wasn't, I didn't feel like I didn't really. Yeah, I'm looking at the thing and it's not filling it. Oh no, what's going on? Is it plugged? Is it this? Because they give you a kit that you you can unplug it too, you know, in case you get a uh, you know, a clot or whatever and stuff?
Speaker 1:oh my god. Yeah, there's a clot in my but you're thinking about.
Speaker 2:You know, this is the thing that you know, so that's why I highly recommend take care of it prior to that you don't want that.
Speaker 1:You know situation. If there's one takeaway from this podcast is please take care of your urethra and your urethra will take care of you.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1:All right, gentlemen, I'm going to let you go to your respective homes and deal with your respective problems, and I'm going to sit here and weep in the darkness about my prostate and the fact that I feel like one of you guys is going to show up with egg salad at some point.
Speaker 3:I will.
Speaker 1:I'm not eating it, just so you know. Just one of you guys is going to show up with egg salad at some point I will.
Speaker 3:I'm not eating it, just so you know. Just so you know, I feel like going home right now and bringing it back.
Speaker 1:I think you should. All right, Scott? I hope Mime Class turned out well. This was Mike and Dale. I appreciate the hell out of both of you guys.
Speaker 2:We appreciate you, Johnny.
Speaker 3:Aw, the humor that you put.
Speaker 1:Shut up, all right. Well, you know, I think we'll have to talk to these guys in the future because there's a lot of things Like we left Mike's whole theater background out and. I want to know about that too.
Speaker 2:We got to get into more movie stuff.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and we can have a oh, maybe we have a whole theme.
Speaker 2:I think so.
Speaker 1:Maybe I'll plan better the next time. Talk to you later. Bye, thanks for listening. If you enjoyed this episode and you'd like to help support the podcast, please share it with others, post it on your social media or leave a review. To catch all the latest from us, you can follow us on instagram at masters athlete survival guide. Thanks again. Now get off our lawn, you damn kids.