The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
We explore thriving as an athlete after 40. Each episode, we’ll dive into tips, hacks, and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes and our personal experience. Whether you’re a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong, and motivated
The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
Thirty Episodes Strong: Looking Back on Our Journey
John and Scott take a reflective journey through their first 30 podcast episodes, highlighting the most impactful guests, meaningful lessons, and surprising revelations they've encountered.
• Mike Saffell's posturology techniques have proven remarkably effective for Scott's shoulder issues, providing pain relief when medical experts suggested surgery
• Claire Shorenstein's nutrition advice about incorporating strategic carbs has challenged their longstanding beliefs and yielded positive results
• Stories from stone lifters Sean Urquhart and John "Rockman" Johnson revealed the rich cultural history behind natural stone lifting traditions
• Candice's incredible mental fortitude across multiple athletic disciplines exemplifies the "don't fucking stop" mentality essential for Masters Athletes
• Jesse Titus's ongoing resilience through tremendous personal challenges continues to inspire them
• Dan John's practical wisdom about finding even 15 minutes for training has been transformative
• The pickleball episodes highlighted how every Masters Athlete has a compelling story regardless of their discipline
• The importance of community and "finding your tribe" has emerged as a crucial theme across all episodes
• Future plans include revisiting their protein bar taste test and exploring the concept of standards versus goals
Join us August 2nd for the Love Like Ben Strong Person Competition at the OFG compound, featuring circus dumbbell, sandbag over bar, tire deadlift, and arm over arm sled pull events.
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Welcome to the Master's Athlete Survival Guide, where we explore the secrets to thriving in sports after 40. I'm John Catalinas and, along with Scott Feig, we'll dive into training tips, nutrition hacks and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes who defy age limits. Whether you're a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong and motivated. Let's get started.
Speaker 2:And we're back, I'm scott, I'm still john.
Speaker 1:Are you sure about that? No wait, let me check. Uh, oh yeah, it's written in my underwear. Yep, john.
Speaker 2:Okay, please don't ever look at your underwear again.
Speaker 1:It's even fine it's spelled correctly, so I'm not sure.
Speaker 2:I wrote it, so I'm not going there on so many levels I'm not going there, I understand what are we doing today, scott?
Speaker 2:you know, john, we were talking the other day and we started thinking about some of the episodes we've had and you said to me you know, we've had 30 episodes. I know, right, look at us. That just blew my mind. I mean, it's like we just started this because everybody we talked to is, you know, even more interesting, more outgoing. Yeah, I think it would be good for us to sort of do a retrospective, take a look back, see what's going on, talk about some of the episodes, some of the themes, maybe that we've learned oh, I wish I had some like phil collins music, like because I feel like you know, like take a look at me now.
Speaker 1:Just something should have welled up right then, like, oh, let's, let's look back now, shall we? No, I think that's a cool idea. That is a cool idea because, honestly, this journey, first of all, it's gone completely differently than I expected.
Speaker 2:On day one, when we bought all this shit, yeah, I really I don't know what I had in mind, and what we're doing is very different and very satisfying, and I love so much of what we've done I think we've been blessed in a sense, because some of the folks you know to your point, you know we had started this and it was going to be our journey and maybe bring a couple of people in. We started with our journey but then so many people you know reached out to us or we reached out to them and gave us these great sort of thoughts and and themes and ideas as to masters, athletes and their journey and I think, those journeys are really I blame mike safel.
Speaker 1:I blame mike safel because he begged and whined and sent me 4 000 emails like please, please, please, let me be on your budding podcast, because I love being a podcast guest and honestly, all joking aside, um, his episode was so eye-opening that posturology is sort of in the toolkit and I think both of us crave to learn a lot more about it. But I think that opened our eyes to the best way to do. This isn't necessarily about us, but the things that interest and affect us, and Mike was a great guest.
Speaker 2:You know it's funny because last week, well, you were off jet setting with the rich and famous. We yeah, we no, you not we sorry, bad french joke. I actually was fortunate enough to go down and compete in a grip comp.
Speaker 1:Oh yeah and I felt bad missing.
Speaker 2:Who was there? But mike and sarah sevelle oh nice, I like them, you know, along with the dingies and many of our friends. But I went out to dinner with mike friday night and right away we just started talking about posturology and how it affects what's going on and whatnot, and it. It was funny because we had dinner, we had a couple of drinks and we're leaving and Mike's like all right, how's your shoulder feel, how's your hip feeling, how's this, how's that? And we're standing outside the restaurant doing posturology.
Speaker 1:You knew it was coming. Ladies and gentlemen, that's the difference between a 20-year-old athlete and a 50-year year old athlete. When you're 20 and you've had a few drinks in front of the restaurant, you're like I bet you I can jump that garbage can. And when you're 50, you're like oh yeah, let's see if we can get some treatment in on my shoulder. So how did the treatment on your shoulder go, old man?
Speaker 2:I gotta tell you, you know, in mike, I know you'll be listening to this, thank you, thank you, thank you, the different things and and he sent me one of the charts that he uses and where some of the pressure points are and where to do some of the manipulations and stuff like that.
Speaker 1:Are you like a ninja now? Are you like Mr Miyagi? Whole body, one inch.
Speaker 2:Nice, nice. For those of you in the non-visual version of the podcast, I just did the clapping of hands and rubbing them together.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and it was his hands he was rubbing. So, yes, it's good. Very much so we're all okay.
Speaker 2:So it's funny because you know, I've got a competition coming up in a couple of weeks and my left shoulder is it's pretty much done with um, to the point where some of the specialists have said you're going to need to replace it at some point. Mike has taught me a few things that john I'm telling you. I do these couple of different exercises he gives me and I am pain free for about 30 minutes. Yeah, and that's all I need for that event, that one event that's going to be tough.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I mean, but I gotta tell you, if you haven't, you need to look up posturology. You need to give Mike a call. If not, mike, find someone in your area who's a practitioner.
Speaker 1:This stuff is gold for older athletes. The person he learned from is, I believe, canadian. That creaking you hear is Scott bending over. Yes, those were my joints, sorry, and Mike has sent me a couple of videos of of that. And yeah, it's very it's, it's very different than anything you've ever heard. And if scott wasn't so broken and I've seen him repaired, at least in the short term, so quickly, uh, I wouldn't necessarily believe it. But yeah, find, find a local proctorologist. Proctorologist.
Speaker 2:Posturologist yeah, don't find a proctorologist. Oh, I don't know. Mike is in proctology.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you tell him that that's more of a hobby than a career. But whatever, but honestly like, okay, I'll side in posturology, but I mean, that's, I think, what got us to start this list of well, let's talk to people, let's have guests, let's have topics, as opposed to, you know, you and me telling stories.
Speaker 2:Yeah, let's talk about the workout we did yesterday. Wait, you don't work out, so don't go there. Wow, we're going to change that.
Speaker 1:Hey, I just signed up for a strong person competition. You did, I did. Hey, I just signed up for a strong person competition, you did, I did. Where? I don't know where it is. It's Mountaintop, mountaintop, pa. You know what? It's a microphone. If you whisper, they can still hear you. Yeah, no, I knew it's called the Strength Harvest and Candice is doing it.
Speaker 2:Who's?
Speaker 1:Candice, candice doing it. Who's candace? Candace, I don't know if as the recording of this episode, I don't know if the candace episode has actually come out yet, but candace is a strong woman, ultra human marathon. She's hard to she by definition and I think on purpose she is impossible to define. Yes, because she has done 24-hour racing and strong man ultra 100 mile marathon. Yeah, yeah, she's yeah, I think just if anything, when that episode comes out or if it's already out, go find that I don't think it's out yet.
Speaker 1:No, as of as of this recording, but when this, by the time this posts, it'll be out and yeah, go listen to that, because candace is. Basically, she took the ship of her life and grabbed the wheel and said we're going this way.
Speaker 2:And then she said, okay, I'm done with that, now I'm going to go this way. But then she jumps back over, remember, because right after the ultra marathon it was like she had some sort of a crossfit or a strength competition. And then she said, well, I just finished that ultra marathon last week. I'm going to see if I can get my best 5K time this coming weekend. I'm sorry, you just ran 100 miles, but I think the one thing that I really took from Candice's episode was the mindfulness that she talked about in the mind coach and that's one of the folks that we want to, you know, set ourselves up with is to, oh yeah, to talk about how, you know we all say attitude makes it. You know, it's not what you say, it's what you do, all that type of bullshit. But I think more important is the power of what the mind can do if you put it to it. I think that's something that, as Masters athletes, we have it over some of the younger athletes, because we've sort of built that mental fortitude.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm trying to think on how best to define talking to her. And you know what? She's one of those people that when especially an excuse-laden human like myself will look you, she will look you square in the eye and just say why not like, why not do a 24-hour race just to see how you can do? Because, yeah, you're not going to go to the olympics in it, but you're going to do it and you're going to come out of it a little better and I'm going to piggyback off of the episode with candace and go to claire shorenstein, oh yeah that was.
Speaker 2:That was another one that you know when claire said to us you know about the way that nutrition plays a role and she's worked a lot with the younger athletes, but then she started getting into how it impacts what we do as older athletes and the way that we need to look at not only the pre nutrition but the post competition nutrition. Yeah, and I mean, you know she didn't really come out and say the idea of the mental fortitude of it, but you know you could see it in the way she sort of talked to us and wove in the things that she was talking about. I mean, the one thing and we joke about it is when she said to us you know you're not allowed to be dfl and we're both looking each other with what is dfl. So, john, what is dfl?
Speaker 1:I don't remember I do, I do remember. I just don't want to say it because I was an altar boy, dead, fucking last.
Speaker 1:Yeah, amen, amen the altar boy is over there making the sign of the cross yeah, basically so I love the fact that two of the the incredible guests that we've had on here have talked to us about the strength of the mind yeah, when it comes to claire, couldn't be, I mean, she couldn't be less stereotypically not of our tribe, right, like her typical client base is, you know, distance runners, ultra marathoners younger athletes younger mostly.
Speaker 1:I guess she did some older athletes, but yeah, so I mean for her to look us well look at us, look us yeah, metaphorically in the ears and say you know, carbs are your friend on meat day and you need to set yourself up for the best you can do.
Speaker 2:Well, claire, I don't know if you're listening, but you said to me I want you to introduce some carbs into your diet and against my O ocd better judgment I am so interested for what you're about to say um, I switched from a bread that was all fiber and that's called cardboard.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it actually has some taste, so it's tasteful cardboard. There's a, and I think it's called six, four, two. Don't quote me on that, but it has six grams of carbs. Okay, non fiber carbs. Okay, per slice. And instead of, you know, using several slices of the other stuff, I'd use a couple of slices of that and I put some peanut butter on it or some stuff like that, and I've started introducing some different vegetables into my diet.
Speaker 1:Well, as this N of one goes forward, Scott, what have you noticed anything?
Speaker 2:Um, it's hard to tell, because normally carbs for somebody who's diabetic, like we are, tend to cause you to be a little sleepy. I've had, you know, insanely busy days at work.
Speaker 1:Yeah, it is hard to parse out, so 14, 16-hour days.
Speaker 2:It's hard to figure it out, but the energy hasn't gone down. Yeah, that's cool. I think in some instances it's gone up a little bit, so all right.
Speaker 1:Are you saying Claire N of one?
Speaker 2:Yeah, yes, Claire, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1:I was going to say Mea culpa, me culpa, maya maxima culpa. You were right. Yeah, do you remember? Do you remember all the?
Speaker 2:letters after her name, all the, all the. Oh no, no, dude, yeah, I've got letters after my name too. Yeah, but hers matter.
Speaker 1:But no, that that's my student loan, that that's outstanding and that, again, I think that has shaped the direction of this podcast because, again, I think on episode two, if you told me we talked to someone like Claire, I'd be like, well, maybe, but it may have been one of the most valuable episodes because it was such a great, knowledgeable, different perspective.
Speaker 2:Let's jump from Claire back to one of our earlier episodes Jesse.
Speaker 1:Titus. Oh, I was thinking about Jesse. I saw on the internet that he just had surgery.
Speaker 2:He did. That's what I saw as well.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I actually had to look it up because I didn't know he had heart ablation. I had to look up what heart ablation is and basically they systemically, and, I'm sure, with a lot of skill, injure the heart to make it beat differently, because that's one of his issues.
Speaker 2:Uh, so, jesse, this will come out way afterwards, but I hope you are recovering well, or recovered by this point and uh, but I think if you remember the jesse episode, you know he said the hardest thing is for me to sort of mentally accept that I can't right, I go there and you know I go lift with the ohio guys and I want to push and I want to do this and everything that I enjoy doing the lifting heavy weights, the, the weight sprint, so to speak. The grind, yeah, is bad for what's going on with me. And we talked to him about pivoting and I think you know, you know with Claire and Candice, with the mental side of what they talked to us about. I think those are some of the things that would be really good for Jesse to think about and to look at, because the man has the mental fortitude I mean the stuff that he talked and he was through with his family, with his kids, you, his life. In and of itself he's strong, I mean physically, yes, but mentally absolutely.
Speaker 2:The guy is a powerhouse and I think that that's where some of that really I like how it's all sort of circling around the same concerns that we're seeing with masters athletes yeah, and you know I mean he I don't want to say he's the reason for the podcast, but you know he's part of the tribe.
Speaker 1:he needed to hear out loud what I think a lot of people think, especially older athletes and uh, just an incredibly great guy that for some reason it when we went to the arnold I found him and we said hello, I mean, you know, amongst the 100,000 of our nearest and dearest friends.
Speaker 2:Well, he was doing set up there, wasn't he? Yeah, he was working with Steve and Steve.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he was working at one of the events. Yeah, the Arnold was amazing, although we did record, we tried to record that, that episode, that echoey episode in the airbnb with mark and dom, and that was uh, it was interesting I think with the mark and dom episodes plural because we had them oh yeah, they were in studio we had them here to our studio once.
Speaker 2:It was interesting to see because mark had done a one day sort of sunday afternoon at the arnold previous. Yeah, this was dom's first trip there and we've been lifting with them for a number of years for them to go with us in different sort of facets, actually compete there, and then they have the ability to sort of reflect on it. Whereas we had a lot of energy drinks.
Speaker 1:Energy drinks is that what you're gonna say? I'll say energy drinks and um adult beverages bourbon it.
Speaker 2:I like the reflection that we had from guys that I mean you and I've been there several times and we've been fortunate to do that, but their sort of reflection on it put perspective that we may have lost in some instances yeah, especially like just the I don't want to say sort of the christmas morning thing, but like dom walking into the festival again with a hundred thousand of our friends and neighbors.
Speaker 1:You forget what a thing it is like. You know when we competed at the shaw, you know which is just sort of growing. Oh, leaps and bounds yeah you know, I mean the, the, the expo there is you know it's like a largish flea market versus the arnold, which is an entire convention center. It's monstrous and there were a couple things that you know that had changed and there were a couple things that were similar and well, I think the one thing that we sort of glossed over is schmitz we'll get to schmitz in a second we sort of glossed over is and we didn't mention this in the first time when we had the sort of echoey airbnb podcast.
Speaker 2:Was, just like you said, 100,000 of your closest friends, but having to put that little bike flag taped to Dom so we could find him because he's just so damn short.
Speaker 1:Wow, you really love your friends, don't you? I don't know where I thought you were going with that, but that is not where I thought you were going with that.
Speaker 2:All right, go ahead. You brought up Schmitz.
Speaker 1:No, it's just. You know what? If you're within an hour of columbus, eat a schmitz I don't know, I can't say anything else.
Speaker 2:It's just damn fine german food. All right. Going off a schmitz, because you know how my brain sort of does that grandpa simpson thing and goes sideways at times. John is over here laughing so hard right now. I'm going to use that for sure. Going off of schmitz one of the first times I think that I heard of schmitz and I know that you know we were in columbus for octoberfest, was going to the octoberfest to compete in front of people we've talked about that a little bit, but but the person that brings to mind who is the athletic director for Oktoberfest? Oh, sean Urquhart. Sean Urquhart, our buddy, sean, yeah.
Speaker 1:Look at that. He was a guest. Sean was a guest, yeah, what do you remember from Sean? What do I not remember?
Speaker 2:It is so weird, given where we're pivoting.
Speaker 1:It's weird because, I mean, we had Sean on because Sean has always been kind of interesting, I always think, and is a great friend. Well, it's funny because for some reason I equate him with Francis Brebner, trying to like say his name. I don't know, I don't know, that's how my brain works. That was a great pull, by the way, thank you. But no, so we talked to Sean because we knew him through Oktoberfest. We talked to sean because we knew him through octoberfest and we kind of knew he's into this picking up rocks thing. What kind of rocks? Uh, big, heavy, international rocks that are historically relevant.
Speaker 2:Sorry, that are historically relevant manhood rocks or manhood stones or womanhood. Well, no, all right, who's it felt? Yep, that's where you're going.
Speaker 1:No, I'm not where I'm going is, since we're so big in the faroe islands yes so stupid short story, I made an instagram story I told it where I made an instagram story where I told, where I use the audio from just some random guys lifting a stone somewhere, and it's just some guy with an axe that's screaming come on john, come on john, come. And turns out that that john is friends with john rockman johnson. When that guy is currently lifting all the historic stones in the faroe islands, he weighs I don't know 180 pounds, 170 pounds. Oh, was that that 70 kilo guy? And he is stronger than the two of us tied together, as far as I could tell. So I'm gonna start cyber stalking him and hopefully get him on the podcast because he's got to have stories. Because, like, I just want to know how I know, now that I know, since we're so big in the faroe islands. Yes, I know where they are, I'm not sure how you get there.
Speaker 2:Well, we've already talked to sean and sean said once you fly close, it's canoe. Yeah, I believe that, and rockman sort of confirmed that for us, if you remember, john rockman johnson john rockman, johnson. But all right, so let's get to the, the whole natural stone thing, which is kind of where you and I have talked about. We're pivoting next with our sure really weird sort of strength journey.
Speaker 1:Let's find another fringe thing to do that you have to explain. Oh so do you go to the gym? Well, yeah, what are you? What are you training for? Well, in 2026 we're flying to iceland on southwest apparently southwest.
Speaker 2:apparently I sent you that, yeah, southwest goes to Iceland now. You talked to Sean, you talked to Rockman, and both of them were just so. They're uber talented. They're super, super strong guys, especially in those weird sort of lifts, when you think about the way they're lifting what they're lifting, the stones that they're lifting.
Speaker 1:I think people would refer to that as sort of dad strength, like everybody always said.
Speaker 2:Like you know, my dad could pick up an engine block and I think that stone lifting is along those same lines of here's a weird inert, not built to lift thing, go lift it yeah, and I wouldn't disagree with it but, I think the thing that really came out of both of those episodes for me was the amount of research that they both put into looking for the stones and you know why the stones were there and you know what the story behind them are. I mean, I just saw a little instagram post that sean put up of a another podcast that he did about natural stone lifting and it was about this church in sweden where you know, if you lifted this stone, you could go fight for the oh, I thought, I thought you got like a sin erased because that would be a good move you wouldn't have.
Speaker 2:I'd be, I'd have really strong back um, but I mean hearing these stories. I mean, that's some of what we look at. I think that's part of why we've chosen sort of the stones that we want to go to.
Speaker 1:Where was again? I cyberstalk all our friends. Now Is he in Japan. He was just in Japan recently. And there's all these little like. I would refer to them as like roadside temples, like a small roof with a Little Shinto shrines, yeah, and a rock.
Speaker 2:And those rocks are smooth, yeah, and they're ancient and they've got nine paragraphs worth of story.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I don't know why I find that so intriguing, but damn, that's so intriguing and I can't believe it didn't spill into the US more.
Speaker 2:I think it does, but I think it's just so fringe that a lot of people don't understand it oh, really, as opposed to, I put on a skirt and go in a field and throw a telephone pole. Yeah, yeah, all right point taken.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh, you know when and when it comes to like straightforward guys, like those stone lifter guys, right, like there's something heavy lifted, I think, sort of the. You know, the grandfather, the progenitor, the OG of straightforward is Dan John. I mean, he told us so much, I basically broke it into two and a half episodes. Yeah, told us so much, I basically broke it into two and a half episodes. Yeah, um, the conversation we had covered two episodes and then he sent me basically a day in the life of dan john, like these are the things that we talked about that I do, and, um, I would like to thank dan john on behalf of metamucil for adding metamucil supplementation to my life.
Speaker 2:That's enough said, it's going well, enough said, but I mean, I guess, one of the and I know there was so much to take out of it.
Speaker 2:but one of the great things I took out of it with Dan was, you know you said to him he's a busy guy I mean between books and kids and grandkids and you said well, what about those days when you know you just don't have time because you and I have talked about that in different episodes? He said have you got 15 minutes where you can go grab a sled, hook a harness on and pull? Yeah?
Speaker 2:go swing a kettlebell yeah it's like again you've got 15 minutes, don't stop, don't be a jerk. Pick something up, do it for 15 minutes. You know? I mean, I guess I've kind of adopted that worst case scenario for me. I'll do a couple of minutes of, you know, a couple of multi-minute planks or something like that, just something to statically push the muscle.
Speaker 1:Again another theme that we've tripped over. That you know both, claire and Candice. You know what do you mean? You can't.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you can. Can't is not a word that can come into your vocabulary.
Speaker 1:It can, though I'm very good at it. I have. I have a. I have like a minor in can't not the philosopher, Can't is the philosopher. Yeah, I wasn't going to go there either. I'm glad Dom's not here.
Speaker 2:So you know not to toot my horn, but you asked me what were the words that I sort of kept me going last year. Yeah, and I guess it goes to that very philosophy dfs, don't fucking stop. Yeah, you know, because you can't yeah, and what's funny, what's funny.
Speaker 1:And I should have recorded it because it was a great conversation. But my friend slash podcast guest was was he our first one? He was not our first one. Charles Inferno called me yesterday.
Speaker 2:Oh, okay.
Speaker 1:Yeah, he's in his mid-40s and he's getting the itch to get back into track and field. So it's sort of the circle of life and he's like I don't know, I won't be as good as if I was in college and I had to basically verbally slap him Like this be as good as if I was in college and I had to basically like verbally slap him like this is exactly what I said to you and I will say exactly what you said to me shut up and do it and that's where I was going to go with that.
Speaker 2:Those exact words that he said to you get off the couch, put the cheetos down not a sponsor and do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, you know, interesting aside, if I see cheetos like in the store, yeah, in my head I say not a sponsor I've ruined my own brain yeah, but you know, I think, and charles is kind of like the mike soffel episode, like I think he said us like I think I interviewed him just because he I thought I was telling my story, like just the fact that what got me to today but what it turned out was is that the episode turned out to be more like you need to reach out to the people that can help you attain a goal, and it doesn't mean that always it needs to be a professional coach, but it needs to be like-minded humans, and I think that set us up for this whole tribe slash community thing that I think we beat on. You know, sometimes maybe a little too much, but that's absolutely. It's just. Time after time after time, episode after episode. It's just proven to be true.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know what I mean. One of our episodes early on was the idea of stress, and you know, there a good stress, is there a bad stress. How do you deal with stress? How does it impact your life? And I think that's where it really came out that that whole there's a tribe.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah like, like you know, when you abandoned me from mime school, I, uh, I'm sorry we. Are we talking the french or are we talking?
Speaker 2:we're talking the french. You went to paris for a week.
Speaker 1:I saw no mimes, by the way. Lots of striped shirts no mimes. A couple berets no mimes. Were they raspberry, the kind you find a secondhand store those, but anyway nice pick. No, the, the, the tribe thing brings you back to the fact that when I did a couple episodes with on my own, with the people I play pickleball yeah yeah, and I honestly thought that that would talk about pickleball, because it's a growing sport and it's scalable. You, you can be a complete non-athlete. You could be the world's greatest athlete I mean andre agassi plays pickleball now um.
Speaker 2:You are not Andre Agassi. I might be. I don't think so. We're bald. You've got better calves, but that's about it.
Speaker 1:But what those episodes with Mark and Frank and Dale and Mike taught me? Everybody's got a story Like, everybody's got a journey that got them to today. Like, like, everybody's got a journey that got them to today. And it's weird that you don't know, like until you, until you ask them. Like, first of all, I found out frank is 60. He looks freaking 40. Oh god, yeah, so annoying, so annoying. Uh, I hate him. We all hate frank. We hate you apparently. Yes, you are not a sponsor either um go eat cheetos yeah, have all the cheetos you want.
Speaker 1:Uh, the mark thill episode was just like he had every journey. He's like oh, I think I'm interested in this, I am all in on this and he just did that. He's done that through his life. It's just who he is. And then my personal favorite episode with the pickleball people might be dale and mike, where we basically and this is I, I named it this because this is my favorite thing it felt like old man breakfast, where you sit in the corner some greasy ass diner eating a delicious not great for you omelet and you just old men solving the world's problems. It was just a fun conversation, because it's tribe, because it's community.
Speaker 2:You bring that up and here's an idea for a future guest. Okay, we've got some friends out in California. I don't have any friends out in California.
Speaker 1:Do I? Yes, you do, do I. Who is it?
Speaker 2:The training hall. Oh, I do, and you saying old man breakfast is what brought it to mind, because you go to eat next door to.
Speaker 1:Oat Haugen's. What is that? Side street, side door.
Speaker 2:I don't know, it's great. You know Oat Haugen's, the training hall yeah. And it's that breakfast. Again I think it's just that setup of that mental community.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I owe that, you know, and who speaks to community is chad clark, because chad clark is the one who recommended that gym and recommended that restaurant. So that that's what all that started. And then it was bill and it was owed and the other people there. I met iron bibby there I saw that picture.
Speaker 2:He made you look tiny. Oh, the dude, he is a massive man, so big so big, so big, so big, so friendly, like just amazing guy.
Speaker 1:but I mean his thighs are really big, Like they're the size of your head. They're that big yeah.
Speaker 2:How do you compliment one man?
Speaker 1:and slam me at the same time. It's a gift.
Speaker 2:Alright, I want to go back to that idea of story there for a minute. Okay, we talked about everybody has a story and we've sort of picked that up and you know we bring people on because you know they've got something to tell us, they've got something to share. You know, think of Sean, think of Mike, think of Rockman, think of all the pickleball folks, candice, claire, but I think one story that we sort of knew but really played us to like the oh damn moment, what one's this? I don't remember. I think you know we've known Ricardo for a few years because you know he's the president and, I believe, the co-owner of arm lifting usa. Yeah, but the story that he told about you know, the heart attack and the stroke all within you know a very short time of each other and coming back, I think that story again, masters athlete just says don't stop, don't quit, you're going to do something.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's true, especially since, I mean, I remember him talking about like the rehab and he just wouldn't quit. Oh and they kept telling me you can't do this. And he's like bullshit, yeah, yeah, that. That was that. That was a part of that story that I had absolutely no inkling was just Just the fact that he again, he took control of the direction of his ship and went you know, F you. We're going this way, Cheetos be damned.
Speaker 2:Cheetos be damned.
Speaker 1:Cheetos, be damned, I don't know. That was very inspirational because everybody touches on that, like you know. Oh, I heard you know you had a knee surgery and you got to get back at it and everybody kind of sort of gets back at it. Maybe he was like all right, I need to be better.
Speaker 2:I'm going to be better. And now he's placing in national and world championships, which makes me sad and happy at the same time.
Speaker 1:Because he's why, john, because he's in my weight class and he's better than me. There, I said it. Are there any Cheetos in this house? Probably not. There, I said it. Are there any cheetos in this house? Probably not, there aren't, damn it.
Speaker 1:Drown my sorrows in cheese dust well, there's bourbon, about 10 feet from there's a lot of bourbon within 10 feet of us, but you know we don't need to go that route. What else sticks with you? I, I don't know. I've I've learned I am a better person on episode 30 than I was on episode one, and it really comes down to my expectations were far different. I really I wanted to talk about our journey and it gratefully turned into here's other people's story and how they both mirror and digress from what we are, and I think we've grown a little from both of it.
Speaker 2:You see, I'm going to really push that point too. Okay, because I'm kind of a loner when I lift, I like to do things by myself, because I you know Jesse sort of pointed out he says when I'm doing something I'm sort of tunnel vision focused, yeah, and I might not always be the easiest person to be around when I'm doing those things, shut up, bitch, um. But I think, hearing those stories, I mean we've got our group, you know Mark, dom, ronnie, you know those people that we lift with. I think, hearing those stories and the inspiration that comes from them and the way we sort of that community, that tribe that's out there and the tricks that they're using, I can 100% say that I've adopted some of those tricks, that I've taken in some of their wisdom. So, yeah, I think think episode 30 I'm in a much better place, not only as an athlete but really as a person in many ways yeah, I think it's because these people, who we've either tangentially known or barely knew um, really had some impact.
Speaker 1:Like I took away, like the the john odin john odin, do we ever?
Speaker 2:I think we've said it both ways.
Speaker 1:I said it both way thing yeah john, who lives in oregon, doesn't tends to work outside without a shirt on. Put a shirt on or barefoot, yeah that was crazy, but I mean, his thing was movement right, right, just functional movement. Yeah, just move. And I think since that episode I've told everybody that'll listen. Like everybody that's kind of squeamish about, well, I don't want to go to the gym or I don't want to, okay, cool, move, I don't care.
Speaker 2:Play pickleball, ride your bike, walk, dance, Hike, hike ball, ride your bike, walk, dance, hike, hike, rock, rock you. I don't know whatever. I guess you know I got a workout in earlier today and my training partner today he said to me he says like I need to start changing from strength training to you know, gpp type of stuff, getting more physical fitness and prepared, you know, to help drop weight, to take some stress off of knees, things like that.
Speaker 1:So I worked today and I was sitting at my desk all day, so I wasn't training with scott. So when he refers to training partner, did he just like go on like grinder and like get a training partner? That's not me behind my back and admit to it? On the podcast is that is this. Are you cheating on me? Every chance I can I knew it, but I'm honest, I knew it.
Speaker 1:That's why you smell like vanilla and are covered in sparkles every time I see you oh, wow that was good and, by the way, that was good by the way, I won't personally insult this person, but if you trained with who I thought you trained with, I never want to see him on a pole in a strip club in my life I kind of, I kind of would we're just gonna move on. We're gonna move on. You know not all this segueing very quickly away from that.
Speaker 1:You know not all these episodes were were a guest and no you know one of my favorites and we will definitely redo it was the protein bar oh yeah, I like that I enjoyed it. I learned a lot. I can go in that endless aisle in the grocery store and go.
Speaker 2:Not that one not that one, not a sponsor definitely not that one.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's got pea protein in it not that one, no, but john.
Speaker 2:Yes, they've come out with new ones oh, I know some of our favorite were the quest bars. Oh, I know, right, yeah, and quest, as we saw at the last, arnold has come out with like three or four different versions of new ones.
Speaker 1:I'm like you know, oh my god you know what I haven't seen that you just remind me I should be looking for, that I haven't really been looking for. When we were at the Arnold, there was a pre-made protein drink and I think it was Quef.
Speaker 2:Yes, I know what you're talking about.
Speaker 1:It was like super high in protein.
Speaker 2:And like a couple of net carbs. Yeah, and it was delicious. I haven't seen it either.
Speaker 1:I haven't, but I don't know why. That just struck me, but and it was milky, right, it wasn't like because it was like.
Speaker 2:I mean, they called it a milkshake. Yeah, you know. If you served it cold, yeah, I'm sure you could.
Speaker 1:Well, it's weird it mixes up clear in water, it tastes more fruit juicy than anything and it's got great metric macros. So yeah, I mean that that industry moves so quick. I think we could do a whole other bar episode and not touch on most of any good yeah. Cause, like I don't know how many one bars we had in in that one.
Speaker 1:There's so many more. Oh God, yeah, and it's, it's crazy. And then there's I don't know it might be going too far, but I feel like there's protein in just about everything these days well, and that's kind of what um claire spoke about is how they're infusing everything with protein.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because the multi-billion dollar business of you know health and dietetics and whatnot. So I think there's something to look at with that. But you know one is too much. I think one of the episodes that I really appreciated was one of our very, very early on episodes, when it was just you and me going back and forth was the episode on life balance, that idea of understanding how much do we need to do to sort of get out of the stress, to sort of push it away from us? What is, you know, that sort of balance? And how balance is different for john than it is for scott, than it is for claire and candace, you know, and I really, I liked that episode a lot that was a good episode and that led into the episode that we called goals.
Speaker 1:I think goals was early, I think goals was our first episode actually, and the thing is, I'd like to revisit that because I think I've changed my tune a little, because I I heard someone speak probably on YouTube, it was probably like a TED talk or something and I think we talked about micro goals. Yes, and I think we are mislabeling them. I think really, what they are are standards, because the speaker said standards, not goals. So because they were talking about things like motivation and you know you attain a goal and then what, whereas if you have this, you know if you set standards in your life, and I wish I remember who I mean it could have been Jocko Willink, could have been some random human.
Speaker 1:I could have been Lev Vygotsky. Good for you, thanks. But the reality is, I think that's more true and I'd like to revisit that as sort of setting standards, because I think that's a much more functional way to think about it. So there ha, look see growth.
Speaker 2:But I guess in my mind because, remember, I come this from the field of education. A standard is something that you attain all the time. A goal is something you want to reach for.
Speaker 1:Right, but I think, can a goal become a standard? I think a standard self-sets goals, like if your standard is, I am definitely not going to not work out five days a week, because that's who I am I am.
Speaker 2:There are too many negatives in that sentence.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I know I I'm not gonna eat more than 40 grams of carbs a day, or you know, I mean you're gonna set these standards, I think when, you when, because you could frame that as a goal. My goal is to to eat low carb. Sure, okay, that first day that you miss, it sets up the can, set up that weird avalanche of well, I missed it yesterday and I missed it today. Oh, I guess I failed. I'm not even gonna bother anymore whether it's a standard. It's like oh, I went outside the rails, I'm coming back in and I'm moving forward. Okay, I think, I don't know I, I I'd like to do an episode on standards because I think I think there's there and I'm moving forward.
Speaker 1:Okay, I think, I don't know. I I'd like to do an episode on standards, because I think I think there's there, and I will do some research and figure out where I learned that little fancy standards, not goals. I like that yeah I'm a big fan myself, but I definitely want to redo the protein thing just because, uh, it was delicious. Well it was. I think we should cheat a little next time you mean go above the five gram limit?
Speaker 1:like no no, I think the fight because I think more and more is is stays under that five gram. I think the thing that I want to cheat is I want to sprinkle in some of the bad tasting ones, because I feel like, and I don't know, it may have just been accidental, but the the end was just loaded with. Oh, this is gross.
Speaker 2:Well, this is gross well, this is gross, I'm sorry. Co-host executive decision. Yeah, we are not having any bars that have pea protein I'm.
Speaker 1:I'm down with that, although I will admit there, here you go. This is like a spoiler. Uh, we bought all those bars and tasted them and I threw them in the fridge.
Speaker 2:Tell me they're still there. No, I ate them, okay, yeah, I ate them, I ate them.
Speaker 1:I didn't enjoy them, I ate them. And you know, I saw a weird trend. I was in a grocery store today and I can see this. I'm curious about how they're actually attaining this. More and more soda pops are zero sugar. Yes, I mean Coke zero, pepsi. Those exist, but, like I saw, dr Pepper zero and root beer zero and all, and I'm all for it. I'm all for it. I love myself a good Pepsi zero, but the reality is what's replacing it that I still find it palatable.
Speaker 2:I think that's where they get into those chemically altered sugars.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean, I guess.
Speaker 2:They don't use sugar alcohol as much as they used to, because some people it gives them gastro issues.
Speaker 1:I am one of those people.
Speaker 2:Sometimes but I don't know, you know what I mean. I think that was something you know looking at those and giving it some thought and then going back to another registered dietitian getting their thoughts on it and how it sort of plays out.
Speaker 1:I mean again, I know Coke Zero and Pepsi Zero exist. I don't typically go down that aisle, but I was shocked that most major brands have a zero some sort.
Speaker 2:You know some sort of flavor and it's different than the diet version.
Speaker 1:Yeah, which is also Pepsi Diet.
Speaker 2:Pepsi or Pepsi Zero, right right.
Speaker 1:Again, big fan, Big fan. Anything else I didn't touch on. You know there's one guest. I think I know where you're going. I didn't realize when we drug him into aurora studios how worldwide connected he was it was like an old soul, but the knowledge was insane I don't know john rockman johnson was in here we talked about lifting rocks and working out and stuff and that episode.
Speaker 1:If I look at the metrics of that episode, yeah, I don't know. It's been listened to in lichtenstein and oh yeah, we have all sorts of new weird random subscribers in luxembourg. Uh, that, I think that's what launched I don't know if it was sean or his that launched the faroe islands sean was the faro, okay, but john, yeah, reinforced it and pushed it yeah, I mean just it's amazing and he's so eloquent and uh well his conversation about his uncle who unfortunately just passed the relationship.
Speaker 2:That's sort of sixth degree of separation. The guy was in charge of the Chuck Norris fight team. Yeah, of course I mean as one will be. But yes, what's funny is John Rockman Johnson just signed up for For the Love Like Men, second annual Memorial annual memorial strong you sucked him into a strongman.
Speaker 2:We sucked him into a strongman competition that touche it is because it's changing that sort of as you called it a little while ago that dad strength yep into. You know some of the conventional things. We've got video of him or he's got video up online of him doing the tire truck tire deadlift.
Speaker 1:Truck tire dead. Looks awesome it does. If I didn't know him, I would respect him so much more for that see that sounded like a compliment, didn't it? No, it did not not in the least.
Speaker 2:Oh, that in the least.
Speaker 1:Oh, that's cool. So when is the Love Like Ben event this year?
Speaker 2:August 2nd at the OFG compound.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that's awesome. So it's a charity fundraiser in memory of Scott's son. And what are the events? This year.
Speaker 2:This year's events. We have the Circus Dumbbell. Oh, I hate Cir dumbbell. That looks like.
Speaker 1:Handlebar mustache.
Speaker 2:Handlebar mustache the whole night. Leopard print, no, no.
Speaker 1:No, isn't that what I thought? No, leopard print. I thought that's what the athletes were going to wear in that leopard print onesie with the one shoulder strap.
Speaker 2:No, we have got custom t-shirts for our athletes this year.
Speaker 1:I thought that was the customization.
Speaker 2:Leopard print shirts for our I thought that was. I thought that was the customization leopard print and you know we've got incredible sponsors this year for it. Yeah, but uh. So we have circus dumbbell, clean and rep or clean and press each rep. We have the sandbag over bar, so the athlete's literally going to pick up a sandbag. Put it over a 50 inch high bar oh how heavy is the sandbag?
Speaker 1:it can go anywhere from 100 pounds up to 300 pounds oh, 300 pound sandbag is, I don't know, for some reason 300 pounds large, yeah, 300 pounds of sand is not the same thing as like a 300 pound barbell, by any stretch, no, no, because the sand just flops all over the place in that bag.
Speaker 2:Uh, next event is like we talked about with rockman the tire deadlift. Yeah, the women have some tractor trailer tires, okay, and the men have the lightest weight that any of the men can do on the hummer tires yeah is 465 pounds is that?
Speaker 1:what an axle in those tires.
Speaker 2:Well, that's a barbell on those tires, an axle put away five all right, ladies and gentlemen, john catalinas has lifted those tires.
Speaker 1:Really, yes, you do. Wow, I suddenly think more of myself.
Speaker 2:If that's at all possible, you shouldn't you shouldn't, because I was behind you lifting the other half no, I know, but damn really that's. I didn't realize it was that heavy those tires are about 220 pounds a piece. They're massively also incredibly visually cool looking. Uh, and the fourth event for the athletes is the arm over arm sled pull.
Speaker 1:So they're going to pull a weighted sled, yeah 50 feet.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, you know, seated arm over arm. It's actually really an interesting event. The we actually have a bonus event this year where anybody that attends can put $20 in and they can bench press. So we have two categories, all men, all women. Whoever gets the most repetitions gets half the pot, the other half goes to the love, like bet.
Speaker 1:It's like a 50-50? It's a 50-50. What is the men's and women's weights.
Speaker 2:They vary based on their body weight, so that's posted up on our website. That's cool, but what it does is the other half goes to the Love Like Men Foundation Cool, of which you are a board member.
Speaker 1:I am, I am and we had that event that we didn't do a podcast about. That we probably should have was the fire truck pull Fire truck pull. Man that was fun.
Speaker 2:It was a shitty day weather-wise. It was so much fun, john. We raised a thousand dollars that day.
Speaker 1:Well, you know, people are. It's because people in western york are awesome.
Speaker 2:Oh, they're so generous yeah, it was really great, but you know, pulling a fire truck is definitely one of those.
Speaker 1:Like, someday I'm going to stand in front of saint peter and he's going to say so. Mr catalanus, what are the good things you've done in your life?
Speaker 2:And I'm like well, I pulled a fire truck.
Speaker 1:All right, Mr Catalinas. What bad things have you done in your life?
Speaker 2:Well, I, pulled a fire truck.
Speaker 1:Why don't you sit down for a minute? We're going to talk about this.
Speaker 2:But I mean, you know, those events, those things, the number of athletes that show up, the number of people that support us. It's a great day. Athletes that show up the number of people that support us, it's a great day and really, if you're at all in western new york, we strongly, strongly encourage you to come out and, yeah, show some love.
Speaker 1:Are we gonna do it? We're gonna do. Are we gonna do the fire truck pull again someday we are gonna do the fire truck pull.
Speaker 2:We've had people already reaching out to us about next year's the vfw post. Yeah, down in hamburg that allowed us to use their parking lot and actually ran a 50 50 that day I did and gave us their half of the 50, that's just so. It was incredibly generous of them. They have already said to us we want you back. Oh, that's great. Yes, I mean we're. It'll be next.
Speaker 1:You know, my favorite memory and yeah, me pulling it, and you know there's some great pictures out there comes to mind tim mlele, whose wife, whose wife, melanie, was the volunteer photographer and did great, ungodly, talented woman, but the picture she took of Tim is top 10 strength pictures I've ever seen.
Speaker 2:Oh, yeah it just looks great.
Speaker 1:But the memory that comes to mind because remember when we set it up where two people could pull at the same time, when those two I don't mean to categorize people, but they looked like housewives, they just were older women who just wanted to give it a try and support the charity. And they pulled that fire truck, grinning from ear to ear oh it was. It was just one of those moments. It was outstanding. I really.
Speaker 2:Because this is a master's athlete. Yeah, survival podcast yeah, it was outstanding Because this is a master's athlete survival podcast. It was a Kodak moment.
Speaker 1:Oh wow, Throwback to film. I appreciate that.
Speaker 2:All right, john, what We've been at this for a hot minute so far today. What would you say are your top three moments thus far? Top three moments, and they can be either a guest or something we talked about.
Speaker 1:I'm gonna lump all the people who lift rocks together all two of them yeah, because I think that changed my perspective on that. I really thought it was just sort of a silly lazy go lift things in the woods kind of okay, and it really is a tight culture with significant historical significance can you say significance, significance, you now I did so and, um, and the more I look into that community, the more and this is, you know pun intended.
Speaker 1:They're so down earth, they're just, I, just, I am strong. I am testing myself against something that's difficult. I'll accept that. Yeah, thank you, um number two talking to claire. Yeah, talking to uh, and I don't want to screw up her title. I don't remember if she's a registered diet that she has there are so many letters.
Speaker 1:Yeah, she has so many letters after her name, and she is the way more certified version of I think a nutritionist is something that you make up on Instagram and a dietitian is different or backwards. I apologize for not remembering, but all I know is that she's got a boatload of schooling and, instead of being egg heady and like beating us over the head with science and numbers, she was very straightforward and realistic oh, she was so down to earth.
Speaker 1:This is what you should do and this is what I think, and it's very individual, but why don't you try these three things? And you know you have, with what seems like some success yes and um, I'm gonna sneak in two why does it not surprise? I know, right, give me a little, I want a lot. The pickleball people. The pickleball people, whether it be kathy, uh, yeah, all of them, all all you guys, except for frank.
Speaker 2:Suddenly he's become we don't't like Frank.
Speaker 1:Yeah, whatever, I just like the fact that masters athletes with a story. I mean, these are I don't want to call them essentially strangers, but you know they're summer camp friends. I know them, but I don't know them, their stories. I mean, dale came on here and, you know, talked about some health scares he had and just shared with basically every guy listening like, oh, by the way, here's the things to watch out for, and I loved that. I really appreciated getting to know all of them a lot better, even Frank. I guess he's okay. I don't like Frank. My final thing in this episode has not come out and I'm not even going to say too much about it, but do you remember the conversation we had with ai? Yeah, yeah, I'm excited for that.
Speaker 1:People are going to lose their minds people are going to either love it or hate it yeah, but it is spooky fun just so you know everybody when, when ai AI becomes our overlords, scott and I are in because we've already established a friendship. Hal is our friend, yep, we're already in. So we may be slaves, but we might be like up a tier, top level slaves, top level slaves, yeah, whatever. So, yeah, those are mine. Cool, you got any takeaways for you, sir?
Speaker 2:takeaways for you, sir. You know, when I think about it, I would agree with you. With the stories, the stories of the people that we've been fortunate enough to to talk with, you know, a lot of them come to mind. Yeah, I can lump together, you know, sean and rock man, because they're just, they're great humans. I mean, we've spent some time with sean. We've spent a lot of time with rock man, because they're just, they're great humans. I mean, we've spent some time with sean. We've spent a lot of time with rock man over the last several months. Um, great great people, you know.
Speaker 2:But if I had to pick a story, okay, I think the story that really comes to my mind is jesse. You know somebody who, yeah, yeah, metaphorically, got beat to hell through his entire life and just kept on pushing, kept on pushing, you know. And now he's dealing with another issue and what's he doing? Guess what? He's still pushing. So I guess I think the story is my first one, nice. The second one is that sort of I'm not alone theme that we don't talk about quite that much no, that's true, we talk about the idea of the tribe.
Speaker 2:Yeah, but you don't even have to have a tribe to realize that. We've heard stories that let us know. There are others out there that are like us, that are fighting the same fight. They're doing the same things, and I think that's important.
Speaker 1:No, it's super important and you know, I think midlife male loneliness is actually a bit of a pandemic and I think it's I don't want to say it's easily solvable, but it's solvable to some extent just by reaching out.
Speaker 2:People can open their mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah, it's amazing what these conversations have led to, and I think my third one and this is not something that's been discussed on the podcast, it's the conversations that you and I have had, both personally with each other and with others, outside of our guests because of the podcast. Oh yeah, outside of our guests because of the podcast, oh yeah, you know those conversations I've got, you know, a high school friend who lives in indiana and his wife listens and diana getman will reach out and she'll say hey, you guys talked about this. I'm going through this. This is, you know, this is a struggle I'm facing. And those conversations were, whether it's because of us, whether it's something we've said or whatever, they're starting to take those steps and they're having conversations with others, whether it's friends or strangers. I mean, think about it, some of the people we've talked to, we don't know them.
Speaker 2:We might internet stalk them, but we don't know them.
Speaker 1:So I guess those are my three big ones, that's great because I mean we know that humility probably not my strong suit, but I have had like three conversations. I mean one of the pickleball people looks forward to the next episode because we're sort of avatars for them, learning about stuff they hadn't even thought about all right, folks, I'm gonna call bullshit here.
Speaker 2:For just a half a minute john says you know, humility is not my strong suit. It's not what he's talking about himself he is maybe publicly. I mean, I've john and I, john and I have been in competitions together where he will start singing a polka or he will tell people it's okay, you need to cheer for me or give them grief if they don't cheer for him. That's what she said. That's the public, john. Yeah, when you get to know John, oh no, yes, no.
Speaker 1:Are we looking behind the curtain?
Speaker 2:Yes, ignore the man behind the green curtain. That's Wizard of Oz reference for you, John.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thanks.
Speaker 2:The support, the sort of camaraderie that you've given everybody through this medium, in our podcasts. But you know, within the gym and within our small group of friends, sometimes we don't want to hear it and we're going to tell you that you're an ass or whatever. Are you, though? But oh, I've said worse, oh, I know. But you know, you say you're not humble, I call bullshit.
Speaker 1:Oh wow well, you know, we might or in the, in the terms of our favorite meme yeah a bullshit, bullshit yeah, I don't know, maybe we have to do an episode on that because, uh, I I don't disagree, but I think it's only because I've been through, like, like they make that list of, like the top 10 stressors in a human's life, and I think I've faced 12 of them yeah, it feels like that some days.
Speaker 1:So, you know, I, I put myself in other people's shoes sometimes when they they want to give up and I'm like, don't, that's the biggest effing mistake you can make. Um, so I, I I appreciate your that. Was that a compliment?
Speaker 2:For once. Yes, I was complimenting you. It's so rare I don't know you got the yeah.
Speaker 1:I don't know what comes out of Scott's mouth, but yeah, whatever, no, I do, I appreciate that and that's. I could say the same thing about you, and I think that's what makes a this podcast work. B I want to be a bit of a linchpin for our quote unquote tribe, and I want to expand it, so I look forward to doing this in another 30 episodes, I agree.
Speaker 2:Well, folks, I'm still Scott.
Speaker 1:Oh, am I still John.
Speaker 2:You're still John Great. That's been the Masters Athlete Survival Guide.
Speaker 1:Look at that Episode 30.
Speaker 2:In retrospect.
Speaker 1:Oh, wow.
Speaker 2:Looking back on the memory of see, that would have been a great that's garth brooks.
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