The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
We explore thriving as an athlete after 40. Each episode, we’ll dive into tips, hacks, and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes and our personal experience. Whether you’re a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong, and motivated
The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
What If Everything You Know About Healing Is Wrong?
Dr. B, a chiropractor specializing in Active Release Technique (ART), shares revolutionary perspectives on healing, mitochondrial health, and optimizing athletic performance after 40 through understanding the body's electrical systems.
• Active Release Technique (ART) targets "stuck" soft tissues by shortening muscles, applying pressure, and having patients actively move through treatment
• Red light therapy creates free electrons in the body through interaction with cytochrome c oxidase, supporting mitochondrial health without extra calories
• Seasonal eating matters because out-of-season foods create a "circadian mismatch" in our bodies
• Morning sunlight entering the eyes triggers production of dopamine and other neurotransmitters critical for muscle function and recovery
• DHA from seafood (especially oysters) helps create electrical currents in the body essential for healing
• Blue light, 5G networks, and modern technologies can cause calcium efflux from cells, creating voltage drops
• Getting outside at sunrise is crucial as the first frequencies of light unlock iron to properly carry oxygen
• Vitamin D supplements cannot replace the complex biological processes triggered by natural sunlight
• Mitochondrial health may be more important than muscle mass for longevity in athletes over 40
If you're dealing with persistent injuries or performance plateaus, consider exploring Active Release Technique and Dr. B's approach to light, nutrition, and electromagnetic sensitivity as complementary pathways to conventional treatment.
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Welcome to the Master's Athlete Survival Guide, where we explore the secrets to thriving in sports after 40. I'm John Catalinas and, along with Scott Fyke, we'll dive into training tips, nutrition hacks and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes who defy age limits. Whether you're a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong and motivated. Let's get started.
Speaker 2:Oh, you're going to start it. Oh look, I already started it, you just said two one and we're back.
Speaker 1:Look, I had a little before the weird noise thing today, scott asking me if I want to get started and I got started. It's about time you got started, I know after rambling, I know, oh, jesus he rambles all the time I do.
Speaker 3:That was good ramble.
Speaker 1:Thanks, that's my thing. Hey, we have a guest in studio, do?
Speaker 3:we.
Speaker 1:Yeah, we're in the house, he's over there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, oh he's over there yeah.
Speaker 1:Way over there. I see someone over there on the other side of the studio, Dr B Hi Dr.
Speaker 3:B Well, yeah, great to be here.
Speaker 1:Thank you Said no one ever Good point no one ever said that First time he is my favorite soft tissue dude and I hope we get into some stories about him ripping my joints apart on purpose and with great result.
Speaker 2:Oh, we most certainly will hear about you crying like a little bitch B.
Speaker 1:you want to give me a little intro as to who you is. Intro who am I?
Speaker 3:Who are you? All right, I am a chiropractor who actually started life aiming to deliver babies for a living, believe it or not, just randomly.
Speaker 1:Yeah, on the streets.
Speaker 3:Well, after education, college and stuff, I went to Niagara University to play football.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And I was there for two years and played both years, and then they discontinued the program, so that was fun. It was the most challenging thing I've ever had to do was play football Division III. We were a club team. I'm sure it was fun, though, and I had a blast. Yeah Right, it was fun. It was worth every minute of agony, and you guys know a little bit about that, yeah.
Speaker 3:So when I graduated, I got a job at children's hospital, okay, and an opportunity to study, you know, for the mcats and work in the. I actually got a job in a perinatal lab so we would go on breaks during that time and we'd have breaks with the actual medical doctors. Okay, and they're like Briarley, you do not want to do this. This is terrible. There was three of them, right, one was on his second divorce, the other was on his first divorce and the other one didn't have time for a girlfriend. Oh wow, and he would sleep there. You know, just because and that was back in like 1990, 89, when the hospital politics was starting to change. So I'm like what the hell do I do? So it was across the street at a place called La Casa Cardenia. That's when children's was on Hodge right, it's not the new place.
Speaker 3:So I'm waiting for my staff to come over, because I had the early shift and I met this guy and he's telling me about what he does. And you know, I have, um, I work three and a half days a week. I got 2.4 kids, a wife, picket fence and a dog. I'm like, what do you do? And he goes i'ma chiropractor. I'm like, what's that? I never heard the word before. I was 23, 24 years old. So he sends me a book through interlibrary, interlibrary loan service and I read it. The title of the book was called man's greatest gift to man by Dr Frank DiGiacomo. Okay, so I read this book and it was like Holy cow.
Speaker 3:I could do this, I could do this. So that that's how the journey started, right so on on my way out. It was very challenging to get through that program three years, three months straight, 10 academic semesters just like medical, medical school and um. So I graduated and landed in lockport and when you get there, you're just like now what do, I do good luck.
Speaker 3:You know. So during my residency there was a guy um that had bootleg tapes of Mike Leahy doing ART, active release technique and that made sense to me, right. So something could be stuck. You figure it out, you shorten the tissue, push on it really hard and have the patient actively move through it and miraculously it gets better. So I saved up some money. I paid for a seminar which was peanuts compared to what it is now, yeah, I'm sure, and that was 1996. I got my first course. I got certified legitimately in 1997. Then I just never looked back.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I did my advanced what do they call it elite provider at an Ironman event in 2004. Cool.
Speaker 1:Weird Cool. They pick an athlete.
Speaker 3:They pick an athlete. They pick an athlete, fix them and they go fix them, no kidding. So you got to do the evaluation.
Speaker 2:That's cool talk about real life under fire. Yeah, but he got lucky an iron man.
Speaker 1:Come on if he had come to a highland game and like fix them and be like fix them what do you mean?
Speaker 2:I quit, that's it, yeah so give me the bourbon.
Speaker 1:do you mean mentally so that kind of's it Give me the bourbon, do you mean mentally?
Speaker 3:So that kind of launched me and so everybody at that time in the 90s was looking at me like I had three heads, because what's that got to do with a subluxation? Is that chiropractic?
Speaker 1:Yeah, you are, and I'm glad you're here, and I don't want to gloss over the ART thing because we need to circle back to that, like right now, because I don't consider you a chiropractor in the sense of you walk in, you lay on the table, they crack your back in three places, they grab your neck, they do that a couple times and then you're out the door.
Speaker 3:Um, well in your words.
Speaker 1:Tell me a little more about art, because I have been through it a few times. I mean a couple, I don't know months and months for a while with you. And just spoiler alert, you need to find a practitioner. Or come to Lockport, new York, and go to Dr B, because if you have something that hurts, it might be something that's stuck.
Speaker 3:Right, that's my biggest diagnosis.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and I can tell you that if he could get John to actually move normal.
Speaker 1:Oh yes, that was a long time ago, yeah it was, but from throwing and it, you know, started with shot putting and it moved on to stones. In highland I had a horrible extension in my right arm, yeah, and I thought I'd tore something that I didn't know and it, like it healed badly. Like that was in my head all the time and I went to b and he's like no, you fool, you, you got this stuck and let's just do this thing now. This thing, boys and girls, is not for the faint of heart. Picture a chiropractic table. I am laying on it, dr b, first of all, he does this like the simplest way to look at it mentally, and it's not true, but like, think of a tai chi movement. He will take your arm and move it in a certain pattern to expose the muscle that he's going to work on. So he does that. You know it's across your body and blah, blah, blah, and then he grabs my bicep and then he tells me roll off the table so literally, I am so smiling picturing this.
Speaker 1:Right now, the only thing keeping me on the table is basically b's two-handed grab on my bicep right and he and he goes now. Now do this and I don't remember I moved my shoulder some way and the satisfying like bubble wrap, like crunch that happened was epic.
Speaker 3:It was actually a soft tissue crunch.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, yeah, honestly, it took me from like a and I wasn't really in pain, pain, but I had no range of motion. I bet you it took me from a two in range of motion to like an eight, like one treatment, that's.
Speaker 2:My mind is just going right now. We talked a little bit before we started this tonight. The concept of doing this is so incredible because we're talking about masters, athletes, yep, and I mean anybody. Once you hit that 40, 50, 60 year old range, it's going to have some sort of impingement or or whatever. So you know, like john said, tell us a little bit.
Speaker 3:You know your words about what art is and how it might help someone like scott crippled and might be the most fascinating people in the room just to have a talk with them. They're just these sleeping giants that fix problems that nobody can fix. So there's an art, science and philosophy to everybody's gig, right For me. It was that made sense to me to learn how to touch anatomy Like my palpation skills are unbelievable. I actually and I'm not, you know, I'm not kind of tooting my own horn, but I had a hip case on a dancer and part of my treatment pathway for this lady was to release her psoas, which is in the groin. So I go in her groin and I feel this little bubble, this little pea pot. I'm like you know what? You better get that checked. So she goes to her OBGYN.
Speaker 3:She didn't feel it and I call her up and I'm like listen you got that needs you need an ultrasound this, and sure enough she did. And it was a bad actor, oh, and they took care of it. That's awesome and that that can happen quite often, especially in female athletes. With the, the tail of rest going into the ax, you can feel stuff that nobody else can feel. Yeah. And that's the magic gift I've been blessed with.
Speaker 1:The theme of this is that you are not a chiropractor in the sitcom sense.
Speaker 3:Strict descent to the word yeah, right, I do move bones. Yeah, absolutely, you know let's be clear. But I have a lot of my patient base comes in based on these other soft tissue issues. Yeah, and often if you free up a section, a quadrant or a zip code, as I call it, on the body, you'll get releases like it'll release on its own or you just give it a little push and it'll go.
Speaker 1:the and the best thing about art in my mind is like you go to the chiropractor and they do stuff to you and you feel better until you get into your car and then it seems to kind of revert with ART. If it's released, it probably stays mostly released. I mean, you might need some followup, but the, the, the Delta in improvement is unbelievable.
Speaker 2:I guess that would be my question. Okay, let's say I've got a competition in when are we going? October, end of October, we've got a competition. If I was to set an appointment with you early August, would I need more? How long would and I know this is probably the wrong term would an adjustment stay effective.
Speaker 3:I have a lot of higher end athletes from high school athletes, college athletes and weekend athletes Right, and I also have my fair share of senior citizens. I have my oldest patient now is 94. And we do. I just had a frozen shoulder on her and she tolerated it and she's like, wow, thanks, it feels better. So I have to. You know, my impression of you guys is that you come in as a higher end athlete, so I'm going to tweak that I like this I know right.
Speaker 1:You're welcome back all the time.
Speaker 3:So your level of core is where it should be. My job is to take some interference out of that. So when you come to see me, I do what I do and it's I just call it a big wrestling match and I need you to go play with it. So I may not see you for three weeks.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:On rare occasions I may need it in a week, but that's. I haven't done that in probably nine months on a case. So, and then you bring back feedback or you text me or you call me or we talk about it, but typically there's there's a big difference in your performance.
Speaker 3:Amen, amen, for sure so the, the, the higher end swimmers. There's a lot of good swimmers in Western New York. They come in two days before their event. Okay, it's called performance care. I I have done some cameo work for the NFL team in town. I've heard of them and yeah, and they're supposed to be really good this year. Yeah, like.
Speaker 1:I, I went to be before my first world championships in Highland.
Speaker 1:Wait, you went to world championship who had a half hour into the podcast that I would mention how great I am, um, but that's what he did to me too. He like fixed me and I felt fixed Right, and it was in the window. He's like go compete and I competed and I competed well, and then afterward I sort of had this rebound where I because I and I think when you and you were not elite athletes or upper athletes or anything like that, but what we, I think the only thing that we have is the mentality to push our body harder than the weekend warrior, right. So I think I think we like inflict more on ourselves than a guy on street, I guess here's a question for you.
Speaker 2:When John started talking to me about you exactly who you were, what you did I was intrigued. I've always been intrigued about what people can do to sort of assist the body. Okay, my question then becomes this I set an appointment. I come to see you. I've is a master's athlete. I've sort of learned technique to work around the injuries, the sort of physical things that I've got going on. I come to see you. You do what you do. So well, I do I. Am I now going to have to relearn because I'm no longer? And you know we we've made no qualms over the fact that it's my shoulder am I gonna?
Speaker 3:have to relearn to press properly now I get. I get that. That question. Um, it happens. So that will be more of a fluid motion and you will auto correct for it. Okay, seriously, just for like, a pitcher will skip part of the rotation, or a swimmer when you watch a swimmer stroke in slow motion, you'll see an arc like it'll skip part of that motion. When you correct that lesion or scar tissue, whatever you want to call it, then it just goes away and you're back to your normal self, your normal fluid motion.
Speaker 1:Nice has anybody noticed that all these like episodes where we bring in an expert that can deal with, you know, injury or limitation or something like that, it's all about you. Who are you? Um? One of our first guests and I don't know if you know anything about this, but one of our first guests with it was a out of ohio, as a posterology practitioner I started listening to that do you know anything about posterology? That that's very little.
Speaker 3:Yeah, yeah, it's it. It's in the same vein as you and in so I can tell you that part of my training with ART was biomechanics certification. Yeah, and that's kind of where they are at that time it was $1,100 and it was all online. Oh and oh, my Lord.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I would rather watch paint dry, but I got through it and I learned one really good thing from that class and which has to do with the gait cycle and the contractions from the glute medius, uh, biceps, morse and your lats, and so if you can figure it out, then you can solve a lot of problems from there yeah, one of your superpowers is the.
Speaker 1:Is the I don't know what you want to call it the chain of of diagnosis you can like. If I have a pain in my elbow, it may not be my elbow, because he's going to track it up through and that's funny because, if you know I'm at this now 29 years I think Wow, and you see things.
Speaker 3:So when you see a picture of how somebody draws, how they feel, then you talk to them and you got an idea of what it is. But it may not be that Like, it may not be in your elbow, but if I don't touch your elbow you're gonna think I'm weird. Yeah, yeah, and that's the truth.
Speaker 1:No, it's like all right, here it goes I I think I think I was that patient where I'm like, no, it's got nothing, why are you touching my bicep? It's got nothing to do with my bicep, it's my shoulder, damn it. Yeah, do I. I know I'm gonna talk about it too much, scott, but you have no idea.
Speaker 3:We'll have to do a follow-up episode after Scott comes in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, because dude, it's horrible.
Speaker 2:It is not a relaxing day at the beach.
Speaker 1:B's not going to set up shop in a cabana at some resort in the caribbean and like, fix people, wouldn't that be nice right on the beach? But damn, you are so good at it and and it cuts through a lot of the bullshit because I think a lot of people struggle with things that you could fix that right. And and you always told me surgery is like the last thing you want to do and I think a lot of people default there pretty early.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I don't see that as a common trend. Yeah, because physical therapy plays a big role.
Speaker 1:Well, I think.
Speaker 3:And there's a lot of good ones around.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I've had some bad experiences that I can help correct. Yeah, but if I get somebody really good, oh my gosh, it's a great tag team.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I, I you sent me to some massage therapist and she was great too. Yeah, and that's right. And so it was sort of this dual punch of he would rip something open and then she would well cause that cleanup on it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, cause you know it. It really kind of wanted to go back because you know all these new muscles, like you were, you're concerned about your muscular patterns and your lifting. Yeah, well, you know, I think your brain more, probably more than your muscles, your brain wants to do things a certain way, a hundred percent yeah.
Speaker 2:And then look at what it took to to reorganize my deadlift for years, yeah and with, especially with bodybuilders, weight weightlifters.
Speaker 3:You know, pushing chronic weight like that costs you, right? There's a little biological toll. Joints are going to wear out. So if you think about a joint space, whether it's in your spine or in your elbow or shoulder, they reduce. So if the space reduces, you have laxity. Your body's designed to block that laxity, and then that's where we get into pain cycles. Am I allowed to ask what laxity? Your body's designed to block that laxity, and then that's where we get into pain cycles. Am I allowed to?
Speaker 1:ask what laxity is? It's loose, oh, okay, oh, is that the feeling of a loose okay, and I'm assuming nothing good comes from a loose joint like honestly, not all joking aside, but seriously right, that's where it can get misaligned, or just work.
Speaker 3:Your body's designed to block it, to prevent further pain and infirmary. Oh okay, and that's where guys like me come in. Yeah there's no guys like you.
Speaker 1:You are one of one.
Speaker 3:I need to be cloned.
Speaker 1:Over the years. I've looked there are not a lot of ART providers no, it's expensive.
Speaker 3:It's not covered by insurance.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and I think the thing is, you can't pound it out like it's not just. Like I said, three back cracks in a neck and you, yeah, thank you, see you next week.
Speaker 3:I think it's a really great um tool for chiropractors yeah like, even if there's a young chiropractor listening to this, it's worth investigation because it just gives you another weapon. You know it's funny because when ipractor listening to this, it's worth investigation because it just gives you another weapon.
Speaker 2:You know it's funny because when we go to these higher end competitions I just came from North Carolina for this year's national competition and they have chiropractors there. It would benefit from someone like you being there People sign up in advance for a, you know, a 20 minute session, a 30 minute session, right, and get everything lined up so when they go there, it's ready, it's often the ART people are at Ironman's.
Speaker 3:I'm not sure if they still sponsor Ironman.
Speaker 2:Okay.
Speaker 3:We would show up at an Ironman event and just treat the athletes for three days, and it's no charge.
Speaker 1:Really yeah, yeah. I I got to believe Ironman is one of those like just hits your body from all directions.
Speaker 3:Uh, active release has a website called active releasecom. You can find a provider in your neighborhood by typing in the zip code under find a. So, to be on record, I am I. I was a certified elite provider from, let's say, 2001 to 2016. Oh, and then from 2016, I'm no longer a credential provider yeah, but I have 20 years experience.
Speaker 1:I was say, was it just expensive to keep your certification? It was.
Speaker 3:I actually got to work at Pepsi Bottling Company and a medical manufacturing company called Hospira for several years.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I see people who are we talking to that had to maintain a certification and they talked about the cost.
Speaker 3:The dietician oh yeah, claire Shornstein. Yeah, for us, we used to have to recredential every year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, they have you by the short hairs when it comes to credentials, and it's not cheap. Here's the cheat code. Credentials aside, go to Dr B. Seriously, it's experience. The other thing about Dr B and I've always loved this about him is you are great at, I think, what general public would call fringe stuff. You are the first person to ever talk to me about red light Yep. You are the first person to ever talk to me about sauna Yep.
Speaker 2:Is this the reason that I bought a red light sauna? Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3:Thank you, I'm a disciple, let's, let's come full circle on that. Yeah, that's because the key is mitochondrial health, right.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 3:It's mitochondrial health and most of the money spent in government and HHS, hhs, hhs, hhs is for DNA research, right? The godfather of mitochondrial medicine is a guy by the name of Doug Wallace who's in Children's Hospital in Philadelphia and he's taught us. He taught us about mitochondrial DNA. We inherit our mother's lineage, our mother's mitochondrial engines. Okay, so it's important when you're taking a case history to figure out what mom's side of the family actually has that we end up with, because we get our mother's engines. So, um, part of the in the mitochondria you have something called the electron chain transport.
Speaker 3:so there's four stalls the fourth stall is cytochrome c oxidase, which is a heme protein, and cytochrome c oxidase has is a heme protein and cytochrome c oxidase has four red light chromophores on it, meaning that when you're in sunlight, 42 percent of sun is red light. You do not need electrons that come in from food. You make free electrons when you're in the sun or that red light.
Speaker 3:So part of my and part of my my disagreement with peter attia on I'll live increasing muscle mass yeah for longevity is is basically um with when you're making free electrons in sunlight. You don't need extra food because you're making free electrons from that and that satisfies mtor. Whatever you, wherever you want to go with that because, the mtor is not completely understood right.
Speaker 1:But the mtor pathway is kind of considered the right, the engine of of both long it's at least that's the the sexy word right now it's for longevity and it's also for just output right, like if you have a healthy mTOR pathway, you are yeah yeah, wow and yeah, I mean, and when? When did we start working together? God, it's gotta be 15 years maybe, maybe more yeah and literally you were the first person. And, and now right sauna so everybody's like oh, I need a sauna.
Speaker 3:Most, most of the guys in my continuing ed group have saunas that are hijacked or not hijacked, but enhanced.
Speaker 1:The red light that comes with those are usually not strong enough okay so you can, you can actually swap that out for something bigger, and it's kind of way better, yeah yeah, I, yeah, I've seen the red light panels, um, and, and we, I, we, I did an episode that I'm going to redo with a synergy hyperbaric here in town and the one thing he's got is a red light bed, right, um, and I have some interesting results. But, spoiler alert, like the superficial, like scratches, scars, yep, like I'm type 2 diabetic not sure why, but I am so I heal a little slower, it's, it's pretty obvious, not in that red light period oh, it's so weird.
Speaker 1:So so I ran an experiment. I will, I will. I will do this now, even though I should do it then. I had a pretty bad scratch on my thigh. I covered half of it up with black duct tape as a control.
Speaker 1:Okay, every time I laid in that bed, the uncovered side healed I don't know 70 quicker than the covered side, really yeah right, yeah, and I and I honestly, because when I when I sat down with them, so I did four modalities there I did red light, I did sauna, I did hyperbaric chamber and cold plunge. And I was most skeptical about red light because it's silly. Right, here's a red light. Stand in front of it, you'll get better. You know, everybody wants something really invasive. With some like tangible, you can tell that you're going through it.
Speaker 2:Well, we're built and conditioned under the concept that for something to be good for us in that sense, it's got to hurt or it has to be an ordeal or something, yep, or.
Speaker 1:Or it needs to be written by a prescription by a doctor and you just take some pill and you magically it goes away, right, yeah, that you know so for, okay, let's back up a minute with.
Speaker 3:So red light therapy encourages faster healing. Yeah, right, um, there is. Where am I want to go with this? Maybe it's the level of the fibroblasts in the scar tissue that it changes. We know that it increases dermal pooling along with UVA light, right, so there's also a relationship with nitric oxide also.
Speaker 1:Oh really.
Speaker 3:Both of those for vasodilation.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 1:So am I getting more, or am I getting constriction or dilation?
Speaker 3:out of it.
Speaker 1:I'm getting dilation, so I'm getting healing. Like blood is healing right, like blood flow is the healing, I think you probably, which would stand to reason. I think he probably taught me that back in the day too. Like a lot of the NFL, people will do like hot and cold contrasts the nfl people will do like hot and cold contrasts for heat and it's just to pump blood in.
Speaker 1:Take it out, pump blood in. Yeah, it's just a basic, because blood is healing, blood is the way. So I mean anything where you can get vasodilation seems like a win.
Speaker 3:And? And red blood cells don't have mitochondria? Oh, that's true, they're loaded with dha. Okay, I don't know what that means. Dha is the primary fatty acid from fish and the seafood chain.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:Okay, it's magic.
Speaker 1:All right, I'm going to go down this way, because he opened the door. What should I be eating and what shouldn't I be eating?
Speaker 3:So food is tethered to the seasons, right, okay?
Speaker 1:Nine more, by the way. I can get whatever I want from wegmans at any time of year, but yes, it should be.
Speaker 3:Let's go with. It should be tethered to the seasons right, so what grows now is carbohydrates okay so they grow berries, fruits, that type of stuff, veggies, so you can eat that this time of year okay we're coming into a season where things can be stored in the basement like tubers, potatoes, that type of thing.
Speaker 3:So in winter you're designed to be ketotic. Right, because bananas don't grow here. And if you have a chink in the armor and you come in to see me and I'm going to ask, would you have a breakfast Well, I had a banana Then I'm going to ask to see your banana tree, because there's a different signal that comes from that.
Speaker 1:I've never heard this concept ever in my life in all the bullshit that I've ever read ever.
Speaker 3:If you think about food that comes from photosynthesis. So then really, food is an electromagnetic barcode of light, okay. So if they're going to ship me bananas from argentina and I'm going to eat them in january, february, march, yeah, do that for 20 years.
Speaker 1:That could be a big problem do you think there's a biochemical confusion in the fact that, like the stored energy from argentina is being consumed in, it's called a circadian mismatch. That's a thing, it's got a name, oh yeah oh no, kidding, circadian mismatch I, I, I love b I've always loved.
Speaker 1:No, this is way yeah, because he said like I think you know now, the more we talk, the more I think some of my significant rabbit holes in my life and some some the things that have turned into like my foundational tenants are from him, so DHA has always been a part of your cell membranes for about 600 million years. Okay.
Speaker 3:Nature has never swapped it out, and there's a reason for that. It turns out there's a book published in, I believe, or 1980, by robert o becker. Okay, body electric. So this is a guy that taught us about um bone being a semiconductor. Bone is so that means it. You flashlight on it, it actually makes light too okay so.
Speaker 3:And bone? He taught us that he was one of the guys that was on on with the bone regenerator for spine surgeons. Okay, you know that that tool used to be required reading in orthopedic surgery until about 2006, because of what he brings to the table and you take, and he was enamored with regeneration in the first third of the book. It's kind of tough because he's taken salamanders apart and studying how that regenerates with a current oh, like cutting their tails off.
Speaker 3:Kind of deal yeah, so it turns out, what we get from him is that the dha that we get from seafood turns into a d electric current.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:And we create that current for regeneration and healing.
Speaker 1:Really.
Speaker 3:Right With a magnetic field and sunlight.
Speaker 1:I need to change my whatever I'm going to have for dinner. Can you supplement DHA? I've seen, I've seen it as a supplement, but I'm always right, Supplements always like. So you never know what you're going to get. Yeah, you never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 3:Yeah, you never know what you're gonna. So there's three. There's three structures of dha, right, uh? Sn1, sn2 and sn3. So sn2 structure is a linear structure. It's like a big long antenna that just tunnels electrons okay the sn1 and sn3 is what's in plankton and other things. When the fish eat that they actually turn it into that linear SN2 phase.
Speaker 3:That's the only thing that fits with us. So if you think that there's a capsule good enough to do that, then give it a shot. But I know there's papers and benefits from omega-3s and fish oil for benefit. But if you can do the real thing thing, it's the best thing for you. Oysters are like the most nutrient-dense food on the planet really, yeah, I like oysters. But I have too many patients that are allergic to seafood and I'm like oh, what do I do?
Speaker 1:now, yeah, there's got to be lesser, but okay, sources right, yeah now what macadamia nuts lamb?
Speaker 3:Oh, I like both of those, Some grass fed beef.
Speaker 1:Yeah. What I'm hearing from you, though, is like if I had to choose between spirulina and a fish.
Speaker 3:I should choose a fish or a fish based supplement.
Speaker 1:Right, right, okay, eat the fish, because the spirulina is not going to have the bioavailable structure I need. Yeah.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's more. Yeah, you want something more nutrient, dense, cool, cool for sure, I'm, uh, I'm just processing, I'm just processing.
Speaker 2:I love learning stuff from beef, yeah, but this is I mean this is so counterintuitive to everything we've been told our entire lives and I'm not disagreeing with any of it, right, I mean, I love it. It's counterintuitive, so it's the you've got to hit. You know, this is what your plate should look like and this is. You should always be forcing this and doing it, and it's a complete change well, so let's talk about um.
Speaker 3:You know muscles and body and that type of thing in collagen. Collagen is a special um form of protein. There's a very special protein in your eye, or a special collagen in your eye, called the vitreous humor right, I've heard of it, and it's special because it slows down light.
Speaker 3:Now, if you go back to this cat named einstein came up with the mass equivalence equation e equals mc squared, where energy and mass are the same and the speed of light is constant, except in different tissues, right? So when light, especially sunlight, enters your eye, it slows down through the vitreous humor.
Speaker 1:So does that shift the equation to energy?
Speaker 3:then, no. Oh, when you slow down light, what happens? You make matter, you make something.
Speaker 1:What am I?
Speaker 3:making. So you make chemicals, hormones. There's aromatic amino acids that are loaded in your eye, that are designed. They look like they're benzene rings right so they're photon traps. Okay, so you program that you make melanin. You actually make melatonin.
Speaker 1:You make dopamine in your eye in, especially in the morning okay, so is this, is this sort of the the basis for the bro science of like get outside and get you know morning light?
Speaker 3:yeah, yeah, absolutely. Because what? What controls skeletal muscle most is dopamine yeah, yeah, how, so say more it. Uh, that's probably the edge of my knowledge on it. Okay, like a constant, but I mean I can come back and explain that yeah you're gonna have to, but um what? So let's do, let's flip it. What costs us dopamine tech technology does artificial light technology? Blue screens by design.
Speaker 1:Which is what we're in front of all the time. I really wish that we had done this podcast later, and this just hit me too. But if you look over my shoulder on the kitchen table, you see that giant globe. I saw it At sundown that turns on red, and that is the only light I have in my apartment until I go to bed. Good deal, man, and it's you, damn it it is you I?
Speaker 1:didn't even realize how much stuff I learned from you. That's awesome, wow. The eye thing is intriguing because I mean there's a lot out there. You know, most of the I don't know. I want health influencers as well as some significant doctors talk about the. Get outside and get some sunlight in your eyes. It's a big deal. Now I kind of understand a lot better these like the science of it because I'm, you know, being a scientist. I'm just super skeptical when it comes to some statements but so he's absolutely true on that, because when he would come in and I would say something profound, yes, and controversial.
Speaker 3:Right, he would just grab his goatee and I can tell he's filing it for the rabbit hole later.
Speaker 1:Oh, and I did. You would never disagree with me. Oh my God, I did. I never did. I mean, he used to wear the Bono filtering glasses. Yeah they're right there.
Speaker 3:Yeah, before that was a thing, but we don't have any blue light on here, so it's nice.
Speaker 2:No, come on no, no that's because the two giant monitors behind you are off right now.
Speaker 3:Oh yeah, right, yeah, so let's. So one other thing that is very unique about um, the inner mitochondrial membrane, is that it contains a vitamin d receptor. Okay, why would nature put that there, right? So it's part of the story about stop. So so, let's, let's back up.
Speaker 3:Let's talk about the respiratory proteins, right. So the elect, the only way in to the mitochondria, is electrons, right, electrons come in. There's four um chromophores, right, the first one's NAD, nad plus. The next one is FAD, fadh plus. So there's four stalls stalls. The first one is where electrons from carbohydrates come in, okay. Second one is from electrons where fats and proteins come in. Now, the third one is a really kind of a deep physics story, okay, where those electrons jump. It's called the q cycle. I listened to an hour and a half lecture on it and my head hurt, but I but I liked it. So then the last one is um, cytochrome c oxidase, right, and then you get the atps at the end. What's the uh, what's the electron acceptor at the end of that electron train transport, do you remember? No, oxygen, oh, oxygen is paramagnetic, so it's drawing it back that way.
Speaker 1:Right, okay.
Speaker 3:So when you are in the presence of strong red light, from sunlight with UV access, so the vitamin D receptor is part of the reason why electrons will stop coming in and you make free electrons. So taking vitamin D supplements is equivalent to going to the gym, having your trainer do the pushups and you thinking you're getting the benefit from it. It's that special, really.
Speaker 1:It is Really. I love that statement too.
Speaker 3:And part of the reason is it's a photo isomerization. Okay, cholesterol is a non-visual photoreceptor, right. Non-visual means that it's in your skin, it hits light, hits it and creates vitamin D from that Cholecalciferol.
Speaker 1:So, basically, I just need a lot more sun.
Speaker 3:Yes, I should live Well, so it's interesting as a type two diabetic.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you absolutely do. Yeah, oh, you think so?
Speaker 3:Because where do the electrons come in? From carbohydrates, nad. Yeah, so effectively, your first cytochrome is broken. You can't generate a superoxide pulse to get that to the end. Really, sinclair, what's his first name? I can't remember, yeah.
Speaker 2:The paper on NAD. Yeah Right In 2014.
Speaker 3:Yep, yep, called that pseudohypoxia, and that's a big deal, because most people around today are pseudo hypoxic. That is.
Speaker 1:I love you. No, because here's the deal right. So, yeah, I'm type two diabetic, but I eat super non-carbohydrate. I am, I don't know 11% body fat. No, nothing, I mean, I I'm kind of a psychopath about it and I can't. So I went with my girlfriend, karen, and we went to Paris for a week. We walked 25,000 steps a day. We put on 65 miles in a week and I wore a constant glucose monitor the whole time. My blood sugar was pegged the whole time. So some of those things about like exercise to get your blood sugar down or watch what you eat it doesn't apply to me. So this broken NAD receptor is very interesting. Now I know you can supplement NAD. Does that have value or am I just spending my money? What's his name?
Speaker 3:Gary Brekka. Gary Brekka I want to like him, but he, but he sells nad your body puts that together naturally. Yeah, you supplement with that.
Speaker 1:I have not, because it's also very no, I mean there's a lot of people that will supplement with that.
Speaker 3:I don't, I don't agree with it. Supplements for me are always.
Speaker 1:I don't know, it's such a dubious market and right so many things. If you do a little deep dive, like they can't get through the blood-brain barrier, if that's an issue. Or they get destroyed in the gut, that's an issue. Or they got to get all the way through your intestinal tract, and that's an issue. So I'm always skeptical, but I love that. So okay, all right, scott makes it about his shoulder, I'm going to make it about my diabetes.
Speaker 3:What can all. Right, this is. Scott makes it about his shoulder, I'm gonna make it about my diabetes. So then what can I do about it as, as a type 2 diabetic, at pseudo hypoxia, yeah, then, by nature that um oxygen becomes a toxin in hypoxia. Okay, right, yes, it does so it's almost like, and I was trying to figure out where we could zigzag into this so you could. So when you look at hyperbaric oxygen, yeah, it's, it's not for everybody.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so you think it's not for me, uh?
Speaker 3:type 2 diabetics it's a little risky, is it?
Speaker 1:I, I gotta say again, sort of the cheat code but I did not see the impact. I thought other than I fell asleep.
Speaker 3:So when you look at metabolism, and we have low oxygen tensions, then the choice the body makes for metabolism is glycolysis and the pentose phosphate pathway, the PPP, right. So, and that's fine, but you're not making a lot of ATP. Those people tend to crave the carbs to drive the Krebs cycle.
Speaker 1:No, is it ATP?
Speaker 3:You can't reach the Krebs cycle.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 3:Right, no, awesome, that's kind of interesting.
Speaker 1:No, it's not kind of interesting. It's awesome.
Speaker 3:Now, in normal life, when you get a wound, whatever that wound is, body drops oxygen. That's the signal for stem cells to come out and regenerate right Part of what's called a Warburg shift. I've heard that term, but I don't know. Warburg metabolism we often see that in cancer.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is that where I see it? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 3:So, basically, you can have pseudohypoxia and or hypoxia with people, maybe with sleep apnea or by nature, if you work in a blue lit office or whatever, you're hypoxic by nature. So you can have a Warburg zip code somewhere, like you can have a warburg zip code somewhere, like you can have a warburg shifted brain, you can have a warburg shifted liver, whatever the um. One of the best ways and and often that has to do with the definition is where iron there's two states and iron there's a plus three state and there's a plus two state. The plus two state's the only one that can carry oxygen, plus three is blocked. So think of uh and this might hit close to home if you think of a copd case, right, because I know your mom had trouble I'm on the board of the lung association now, so yeah, keep going copd you can't like.
Speaker 3:They're usually on two percent oxygen, or right or two liters of oxygen, if you crank them up to six, you could kill them, because that's effectively how oxygen becomes a toxin. The reason is there's too much oxygen in a lower, in a hypoxic area with nobody to carry it right because iron's bound. Then effectively the body will change it to a reactive oxygen species, which is a free radical and that does all sorts of. That's the signal right. Change it to a reactive oxygen species, which is a free radical, and that does all sorts of that's the signal, right, because there's a.
Speaker 3:There's a signal there's actually it's called an ultra weak bio photon, like a pulse that tells a cell to make a decision and the probability could be right. It's probability, sure.
Speaker 1:Divide uncontrollably forever just go for it or do this right.
Speaker 3:But to quote, to squinch, those requires um light water and magnetic field. So outside grounded, being outside in really real normal sunrise, midday and sunset, is very useful okay, um iron supplementation since we touched on iron.
Speaker 1:Nope, okay, iron, I would iron through food.
Speaker 3:Here's the here you're. Yeah, you will get iron through food. Here's the magical part, right? Because, in order for because your body will do this at some point, like especially, uh, if you can actually finish some cycles at nighttime when you sleep, right, your body will drop oxygen a little bit, and it does so by nitric oxide binding to iron. So then, so that signal right. So then your stem cells come out and regenerate you, you know, when you sleep. Doesn't that sound familiar? Yeah?
Speaker 3:And we heal, but I never knew until about two months ago that that was the case. So, normal mammals. When the sun goes down, right, because when the sun sets earth's photons condense on earth. So then the sun sets and then the earth's magnetic field comes up and we're supposed to sleep in that right. So then, as the earth turns towards sunrise, the magnetic field goes down. That's the trigger for cortisol release. Then water rehydrates your proteins and you go oh, I'm awake, and it's at sunrise. We're supposed to go out and see that light. It is ultra critical to see that light because those first frequencies of light that show up in sunrise, which is equal parts of concentrated red and blue, unlock iron so it can now carry oxygen see, I thought you were just sending me pictures of pretty sunrises.
Speaker 1:I just thought he was getting all artistic and moody and like we were gonna like sing some 70s song together and light.
Speaker 3:Light is capable of changing the oxidation state of iron. Yeah, and it's amazingly important to never miss a, especially if you have a chink in the armor. I have several, so I would do that first, right before I would get iron supplements.
Speaker 1:Well, let's see if that works, because I'm going to burn this down because I have a question of his that's just going to make him go off the wall. Three things I should do. It sounds like sunlight's one Never miss a sunrise.
Speaker 3:Okay, that's one Eat more seafood, yeah.
Speaker 1:Seafood in general, just seafood. Yeah, okay, turn off the lights at night. Yeah, I could do that. What the hell's that?
Speaker 3:I thought that was one of your special effects.
Speaker 1:I know it's pretty cool. I like it. I like it, scott. What I like it, I like it.
Speaker 2:That was scott. What are you thinking he's? He's overwhelmed. He's thinking about his shoulder. No, I'm not, but apparently somebody really is enjoying the podcast maybe that's it.
Speaker 3:That's what it was. It was it was just a fan so when remember, uh, during the covid debacle and people were in hospitals, right, so part of what that's called when oxygen gets low, like low oxygen tensions, and those people that were really sick and got vented and they died, basically that was a form of what's called met hemoglobinemia. You ever hear of that before? Because you can't pick that up on a normal pulse oximeter. No, is that?
Speaker 1:from the oxygen driving towards hypoxia Because you're pushing so much oxygen.
Speaker 3:Right. It's equivalent to the COPD case. Cranking it up, yeah Well.
Speaker 1:I can think of a couple of parents of my friends that as they got sick, they just pushed more oxygen at them the key.
Speaker 3:Um, somebody figured out. A pretty smart dude went in and used uh hypertonic saline iv and iv methylene blue. That reversed it. Iv methylene blue reverses met hemoglobin all right, stop doing this.
Speaker 1:All right, methylene blue is another one of those I see the I see the bro science, I see the. I mean, I see dana white pushing it. Uh, is that, is that a thing? It's very useful yeah, when you know how to use, I don't even know what it is. Honestly, what is it? We used to stain slides with it yeah, that's what that's honestly, that's how I remember.
Speaker 3:Yeah, I was gonna say that's how I know it, I believe. I believe you can make hydroxychloroquine from it. Yeah, that's how it's made.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 3:But yeah, there's an oral route. That isn't that good. It acts as an antibiotic, so you could destroy your gut flow. Oh yeah, but I know people are doing it. So, I don't have anybody in my tribe that are doing it, but from an IV perspective it can save a life.
Speaker 1:Yeah, but we're getting up at sunrise and we're going to have an oyster while we're watching the sun. Yes, yeah, we're good, we're halfway there you ready, scott, and we'll bring this back to muscular stuff, because I'm about to say something I'm gonna possibly all of all of my athletes I I really try to push them to train outside, like my swimmers, my runners I like it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I mean plus I. I've taken this new thing where I'm playing a lot of pickleball and yeah just being out moving my body like that, that's funny. I'm probably getting some collateral. Whatever, the opposite of damage is collateral benefit.
Speaker 3:I just coined that term. Pickleball Nice.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 3:I've had my embarrassing moments with pickleball I went to the dentist yesterday. Did it go well.
Speaker 1:I got a fluoride treatment. Oh no, why? Because? But here's the thing and I don't know. This is, this is correlation, not causation. But I came home from the dentist and I felt like death for no specific and I felt like death for kind of the most of the balance of the day. Yeah, and I don't know in my head, in my head, I hadn't seen dr b in a while and I'm still going fluoride, really, why did you do that? Have you not seen the trend in them taking it out of public water supplies?
Speaker 3:that's it. That's called a dielectric blocker, because it sucks electrons off everything it's near it's got such an affinity for calcium, it's not even funny.
Speaker 1:So if I have a wounded NAD receptor plus I'm pouring fluoride on the fire, am I? Yeah, Jesus.
Speaker 3:All right, I'm going to have to drop you off at the equator to get rid of it. I got to start going back to Dr B.
Speaker 1:Can I have a banana when I'm at the equator?
Speaker 2:You can Okay good a banana when I'm at the aquarium. You can okay good, and coconuts and pineapples only if it's from argentina yeah, right dude, maybe a malbec, you are, you are.
Speaker 1:So, oh, look at that, we're having an argentinian malbec, because we're fancy wine drinkers. Now, um b, I gotta tell you, you continue to amaze. And this the biochemistry stuff it's. I don't. I don't understand how we're wired right it is, it is complex and you can't just throw one thing at the wall and make your life better the wiring diagram of the cell is mind-blowing yeah right, and if you, even so, what this past year?
Speaker 3:what we've sort of dissecteded and tried to understand is actually the power of melanin. Like the, melanin is the pigment that tans, you Right, we have melanin inside of us too, especially in our brain. There's melanin in the eye. In fact, I think I knew that there's the anterior chamber of the eye. Most of the physicians who study that will. They're taught it's. It's in science, the medical teaching books, that the lens will block uv light.
Speaker 3:Right, okay, but in reality one percent of ub uvb gets through and three percent of uva gets through okay and then you get the vitreous which slows it down and the reason it slows it down. And there's a structure very, very close to that called the RPE, called the reticulated pigmentum epithelium. So it's pigmented, it's melanin, it's melanated in your eyes, so it's designed to get UV light to make magic in your brain.
Speaker 1:Well, it's funny because I've heard the eyes referred to as the, you know, the most direct conduit to the brain, because it's the entrance to the brain, yeah, because it's almost essentially exposed to, you know, the outside world through your peepers that's good.
Speaker 3:So melanin, so dehydrated melanin is bad. Right, nasa is actually because it's a great electrical conductor nasa is actually using it to generate, to perpetuate conductively, electricity. So in humans it should not be dehydrated, it should be hydrated. Dehydrated melanin comes from microwaves, 5g blue light, all that stuff right.
Speaker 1:When you dehydrate melanin you electrocute downstream of those uh pathways okay, so if we look, scott, you remember my list of things I wanted to bring up. One was fluoride, which I'm like shame. Now shame uh. The second one was electromagnetic sensitivity, which I think we've just tripped into with the, with things like the microwave it's a big deal it costs.
Speaker 1:It costs us hydration Water is a big deal in the body, but I can see how people struggle, because you know if you're doing 19 things wrong and you change seven of them, it doesn't feel like you've changed anything Right, Cause you still have the other 12 going on Right. If there's a priority, then you would feel that, ladies and gentlemen, I don't own a microwave. I'm like virtue signaling.
Speaker 3:Right, but downtown airports are 5G. That's microwaves. The medical corridor is all 5G.
Speaker 1:No, I know it's a tough.
Speaker 3:We basically live in Chernobyl.
Speaker 1:I have a box in my pocket that collects 5G.
Speaker 3:So let me go back to there, because we talked about vitamin D before. One of the things that can happen in concentrated areas of dirty electricity or electromagnet smog, we call it is calcium can leave the cell. It's called calcium efflux. Now, calcium is pretty important because it carries a plus two charge, so you get a voltage drop in your cells, right, yeah, so one of the things that can happen when you have a voltage drop in your cells is your body says, hey, we got to do something to insulate that, so it'll raise cholesterol. So so if you go on a statin for that, right that's not very good.
Speaker 3:So your body's trying to compensate and you're chemically undoing its compensation and on top of that, right if, if I have to work in that kind of environment and I'm losing a little calcium out of my cells, then I'm also taking my vitamin d, which the first action is just shifting calcium into the bloodstream, then the parathyroid gland can get pretty cranky.
Speaker 1:Oh.
Speaker 3:And then you're going to have you know voltage issues from it. Could, that be voltage issues in my muscles.
Speaker 1:Maybe Could it change. I feel like there's a whole electromechanical thread through a lot of this stuff. It's all about the electrons when they're going where they're not supposed to go.
Speaker 3:Body Electric, Robert O Becker. It's a pretty good read.
Speaker 1:I thought that was a kid's show. Oh no, that was the Electric Company. That was fun too. That was nice too.
Speaker 1:All right so I've indulged my science. Geekness enough, let's talk through a little of scott's future. Scott comes to you as a broken athlete, yep. Do you allow the, the patient, to sort of dictate like, hey, my shoulder hurts, or do you actually evaluate, like I wonder what his knees are doing, I wonder what his feet are doing? I mean, how does that work? Because I'm always afraid this is personal, but like I'm always afraid when I go to the doctor to steer them in a direction right, because I could be wrong, what the hell do I know?
Speaker 1:well, you know you, I know me, but usually I say things like you know. I feel I got a fluoride treatment and I don't feel good.
Speaker 3:And that's tough to get rid of.
Speaker 1:Dr B is staring at me now. You know what?
Speaker 3:that's doing to your thyroid and your brain.
Speaker 1:No, I'm just kidding Scott, you want to go out for oysters after this? Oysters and Cheetos.
Speaker 2:Oh, I'm not a sponsor. I have got so much to do. Afterwards I got a pass on the oysters and cherries. Fair enough.
Speaker 3:So the story of the patient sitting in front of me matters the most, right. So I need to know about his mom, I need to know about his grandma, I need to know if you have any blood work. I like to go through that and see what it looks like and, uh, go from there. You know, and, and you tell me the story of you that's it okay.
Speaker 1:So a lot of this stuff is carried through the the, the mom side, the female side, not necessarily like if he's got a bad shoulder it's not his mom's no, I know, but some of this it might be his mom's fault. She used to beat him with a stick.
Speaker 2:It wasn't a stick it was a tree.
Speaker 3:That's fair.
Speaker 1:Right, that's fair.
Speaker 3:But the future is. You know, maybe you know often there's, especially with athletes that have been doing this a long time, and if just for a second, I want you to try to imagine a 90 year old Arnold Schwarzenegger.
Speaker 1:I hope he lives that long, Doesn't he? Rip Hulk Hogan. I know right that hurt.
Speaker 3:So the truth is is that doesn't exist. Once we hit 50, we're designed to atrophy. You know about 10% per decade.
Speaker 1:I've seen that Sarcopenia. Is that that what's called?
Speaker 3:I, that's for a different purpose. Yeah, but I mean I've, I've lost.
Speaker 1:You hit those decades and it's not exactly on the decade.
Speaker 3:It was like I don't know, it was like 48 and you're, and you carry it pretty well yeah, but I have to tell you know if, if, because peter attia likes a little bit more muscle, yeah right, so if I hypertrophy muscle, that's mitochondrial capacity that's not going to be in my heart and my brain oh, no shit, I hadn't thought about it that way. So, um, who's the guy I'm thinking oh, it's a guessing game, uh the strength and conditioning coach, who dropped dead at 58 oh yeah, what was his name?
Speaker 1:yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. I mean, that's yeah.
Speaker 3:Oh my gosh, I can't. I'm blanking on his name.
Speaker 1:Oh, it's because you're not taking care of your brain.
Speaker 3:He's famous. Well, I've had a long week.
Speaker 1:You have had a long week and we should probably consider wrapping this up. Like Ben, our mega fundraiser, our mega fundraiser slash strongman competition, so Scott's got about 800,000 things to do too.
Speaker 3:So I really appreciate coming on and chatting with you guys, I know, I threw a lot on the table.
Speaker 2:So, thank God. Well, what you did is you seated the table for the next time you were here.
Speaker 3:Yeah, Right, and you probably you may have some listeners that call in with some questions and yeah, I'll get questions.
Speaker 1:I'll get them to you.
Speaker 3:If anybody wants to go down another deep dive, then I can be ready for that.
Speaker 1:Well, I think the next, thing, I think we need to get Scott in front of you in a clinical setting and go through that.
Speaker 3:Could we film that?
Speaker 1:We could do whatever you want Just kidding Scott. We can do whatever you want, just kidding, you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 2:I think I signed a waiver when I signed my name to be the co-host here.
Speaker 3:You didn't, but I signed your name. So, scott, are you? Do you have to perform tomorrow, are you?
Speaker 2:no, I'm the ad. I won't compete in my own, but here's the deal b.
Speaker 1:So two years ago scott was a silver medalist at Masters World Championships for Strongman. Wow. This year he came in fourth or fifth. I came in fifth.
Speaker 2:And it all boiled down, in essence, to one event.
Speaker 1:Yeah to his shoulder. Yeah, we have a small fun thing. Fun Lifting heavy things is not fun.
Speaker 3:In.
Speaker 2:October. And then he's got his sights on masters nationals again, even though he said he wasn't gonna probably we've got a uh, probably something in early next year and then at some point next year john has convinced us to uh to go over to iceland and lift up a manhood stone that comes we're gonna go carry the husafel stone.
Speaker 1:So yeah, oh my god so yeah, so I think next step is scott.
Speaker 2:Uh, let's, let's get you ripped apart, and then we can talk about it afterward yeah yeah, because I mean you get the shoulder to start working, where I can pick it up and actually lift things and not have to overcompensate with my right arm right or with excessive drive or just shut up, john, okay.
Speaker 3:So eat your cheetos, so not related.
Speaker 1:Yeah not a sponsor.
Speaker 3:I think you are all right?
Speaker 1:well, let's wrap things up, since it's been a long week for b and scott's got a thousand things to do and I don't know. I'm gonna go outside naked and look at the sun b we need to get out of here.
Speaker 2:Go outside naked and look at the sun. B we need to get out of here.
Speaker 3:No, get ready for writing.
Speaker 1:Okay, everybody, I am still John.
Speaker 2:And I'm still Scott. Thanks, dr B. Thank you, sir, dr B signing off.
Speaker 3:Talk to you soon.
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