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The Masters Athlete Survival Guide
Peptide Therapy Explained for Masters Athletes with Dr. Ink Young
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We bring Dr. Ink Young on to cut through peptide hype and talk about what peptides are, where they may help, and why chasing a shortcut can backfire. We also lay out the foundational habits that actually drive healthspan so any advanced tool sits on a solid base.
• defining peptides as signaling tools and why supervision matters
• setting a clear goal before choosing any peptide
• treating peptides as a tool in a toolbox rather than a replacement for basics
• seven foundational habits that support healthspan: community, nutrition, smart supplementation, hydration, movement, daily silence, sleep
• why daily silence improves stress, focus, and creativity
• how poor sleep drives cravings and derails body composition goals
• cycling on and off peptides and tracking outcomes with a provider
• research-grade peptides versus provider-supervised peptide therapy
• why 503A compounding pharmacy standards change the safety picture
• cost ranges, possible HSA coverage, and why cheapest is not safest
• GLP-1 weight loss benefits alongside muscle and bone concerns
• real-world examples including BPC-157, sermorelin, and NAD+
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Welcome To The Show
SPEAKER_02Welcome to the Masters Athlete Survival Guide, where we explore the secrets to thriving in sports after 40. I'm John Catalinus, and along with Scott Fike, we'll dive into training tips, nutrition hacks, and inspiring stories from seasoned athletes who defy age limits. Whether you're a weekend warrior or a competitive pro, this podcast is your playbook for staying fit, strong, and motivated. Let's get started.
Why Peptides Are Everywhere Now
SPEAKER_02And we're back. Hi, John. Hi Scott. How you doing? I'm putting this pen with the clicker down right now.
SPEAKER_04Good because I will yell at you like I did last time. Yeah, sorry. You are an annoying person with hair. So, John. Yes. I don't remember how many episodes ago it was, but we had my colleague and one of my good friends, Dr. Megan Fox, on with us. Loved her and Transformers. More than meets the eye. And Megan, you know, we we're talking about general overall wellness and stuff like that. And you have in that episode and in other episodes brought up the idea of peptides. You know, are they a panacea? Are they a bunch of bullshit? What are they? Especially now, because we see more and more people are looking to them, especially what we saw at the Arnold this year, where basically there was a doctor writing you a script on the spot. So we'll get into that a little bit. But as we're talking about that with Megan, she said, I have got this genius level friend. Was it me? Don't know Megan. It wasn't me. I have got this genius level friend who I think would be a great guest for you guys. She knows everything there is to know about peptides. So we're like, all right, hook us up. And guess what? What? On the phone with us tonight is that genius friend. Come on. I would like to introduce our audience and my sometime friend John Catalinus. That's me. That's him. To Dr. Ink Young. How are you?
SPEAKER_00I am wonderful. And I have to say to my dear friend, uh Dr. Megan Fox, that she is just the best. Um, I had an opportunity to work with her earlier in my career, and I love talking about all the things held with her. I also need to give a disclaimer that I don't think there's everything you can know about peptides. And you'll see as we will probably in tonight's conversation just scratch the surface of what is there and what's maybe coming down the down the pipeline. So I'm really excited and obviously honored to have you um be your guest tonight. So thank you for having me.
SPEAKER_02Oh, thank you so much. I gotta tell you, um, I did surprisingly a lot of research for this discussion in the last three minutes. No, and I feel like I feel like there's we need to have this episode because there's first of all, there's a giant gap in peptides. Um every everything, if you're gonna Google it right now, folks, will go from here's what they are, here's why you should take them, but the here's what they are like, oh, they're peptides. That's it doesn't answer anything. No, it does not. It does not, and it doesn't, it doesn't balance out the risks and the rewards, and there's just a lot of and it's a lot of that health influencer stuff too, right? Like, come to my site and buy this.
SPEAKER_04I think that's a big part of it. But before we go too deep into the conversation, Dr. Young, do us a favor, introduce yourself, you know, in terms of your background, you know, tell us a little bit about yourself, you know, any of that type of stuff that might sort of set the stage for you know what we're gonna talk about tonight.
Meet Dr. Ink Young And Her Lens
SPEAKER_00Perfect. Thank you so much. And uh maybe you already detected a little bit of accent.
SPEAKER_01No.
SPEAKER_00No. So I grew up in Finland, um, came to the United States back in 1999 as an international student, and then met my husband. And 20 some years ago, here I still am. So I am a doctor of business, um, and obviously I'm not a medical doctor. So any of the things that we'll discuss tonight are not medical advice. This is really just education and having heard a few of your episodes, uh, entertainment only, um, and I really think everyone should work with their doctor and consider peptide therapies under medical supervision. We can talk about what are what that may look like for someone. So you might be like, how did she end up as a doctor of business talking about the peptides and longevity? So I started as a personal trainer and nutrition consultant as soon as I was able to get certified and uh worked at the gyms. It was the best job ever because I never paid for gym membership. I actually first time paid for gym membership when I was 40 years old. So um there is nothing better than that. There is nothing better than that. And um had an opportunity to do a lot of things in the health and wellness space, both in person, in management, and online, um, especially around 2012 when the online space for health and wellness was was really starting to build. Um, one of the certifications that I'm most proud of is my precision nutrition certification. It is one that I still recertify every couple of years because it is based on habit change. It is research-based, and it's really about meeting individuals where they are, whether they're someone who is currently active or whether it's someone who's just starting to think like maybe this is the chapter in my life that it would be easier for me to fit in exercise or competition or something like that. So I really don't believe any one size fits fit approaches exist. And I think that's really important as we're approaching the peptide conversation as well. Um, so when I came to the United States, was here for my undergraduate, then I met my husband who's a chiropractor. So I've had this interesting um ability to live this um intersectional life, working in academia, working in healthcare, non-for-profits, wellness, as well as be part of this conversation that naturally happens around chiropractors and that profession about health, well-being, longevity, and how do we stay functional? And uh I've always been really curious about holistic wellness, biohacking. And I've always been a student and researcher of just wellness. Um, and uh obviously now I just turned 49. I have the desire to just feel better and age well. And I'm sure you can relate to this when we're in our 20s, we just want to look good, right?
SPEAKER_03And then when we get into damn good. That's why we're a uh non-video podcast, by the way, right?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so but that's kind of like a lot of times our only focus as it comes into fitness and wellness and health. And then we get into 30s and 40s, and we kind of want to just also feel good, right? Now we want to feel good and live well and look good. And then when we get into 40s and beyond a 50s, now it really becomes about living long and not just living long, but living well. So I think there's two concepts that we can talk about in terms of the lifespan, how long can we live, but also health span. So, how long can we live healthy? And I think the research shows right now that typically the last 10 to 15 years of most individuals' lifespan is not spent healthy. It's not spent traveling, competing, going to the gym, um, being able to go for a walk, being independent in their homes because we we struggle with chronic disease, we struggle with all kinds of things that really limit our health. So that stuff is really, really interesting for me. And I never set out to be um a peptide expert, and I don't consider myself expert on it. I have just learned a lot over the last two years. I really was a student and researcher, and I kept getting questions. And anytime you hear the same question a few different times, I'm like, okay, we need to find some answers. And I, of course, wanted to find them for myself as well, because I consider peptides one of the tools in a toolbox. So there are challenges at different times that we may want to target. Maybe it's a recovery, maybe it's a metabolism, maybe it's sleep. Sleep is a super common area that many struggle. Um, hormones, inflammation, energy. So what really fascinated me when I started learning about the different peptides is how the different peptides were designed to support the different functions in the body. And then the more I learned, the more I really saw them as um potential solutions in the toolbox rather than the one size fit answers. So um, as someone who loves talking about the wellness biohacking and longevity, um, I think we're gonna be in for a great conversation. So I hope that explains a little bit about my crazy background of 20-some years and how I've had really an opportunity to live in a lot of disciplines as an academic, which is always a blessure.
SPEAKER_04I think one of the things you hit on there, and as an academic myself, you hit on it because it's like we go in a million different directions. Oh, shiny thing. And when you hear that same question over and over again, it's like I need to find out more about said shiny thing. But what resonated with me and has come out in many of the conversations that John and I have had uh both with each other and many of our guests, uh, is when you said it's just a tool in the toolbox. Uh and I think that's kind of what we wanted to explore because this tool, you know, you think about it, it's kind of a almost like a multi-tool because you said it at the end. There are peptides that can help with recovery, that can target certain medical things, that can help you with sleep. So I mean uh at least to me, John, I think that's something I'd
What Peptides Are And Real Risks
SPEAKER_04like to explore a little bit.
SPEAKER_02Sure, yeah, sure. So I did a little what is a peptide thing. Um because I wondered, and I got interested as soon as I found out that insulin is a peptide, and which helped me understand it because uh Dr. Young, I am a newly diagnosed type 1 diabetic. It's a whole thing that it can happen when you're an adult now, apparently. John transitioned from a type 2. Yeah, why not? And uh so a peptide is nothing more than a short chain protein, actually a short chain amino acid. Right. But it's a most of them are just signaling um species that bind to the outside of a cell. Some of them are hormones like like insulin that penetrate the cell wall. But they these are just most of them are just naturally occurring. Your body makes them now, and you're basically just I don't know, adding fuel to the fire in a lot of the cases. Um but like Dr. Young said, if you're not doing that under medical supervision, like for example, some of them promote cell growth or cell regeneration. That's great. Unless you have cancer, you know. So I'm definitely gonna start with uh, hey folks, do not go to cheapchinesepeptides.com and order some stuff. I would rather they ordered Cheetos than not a sponsor. Cheap peptides. And I love the Dr. Young, I love the thing you said about the last decade or two decades. Um like I I read everything that Peter Atia writes, and that's sort of foundational to what he says. Is you you get this sort of waterfall at the end of your life where like, oh, you know, you have heart disease, you should walk more, but I can't walk more because I've got a bad knee and I haven't walked in ten years, so you know I've got some hip, you know, hip issues, and it just compounds. And at some point, the it's a storm you can't overcome. So getting on this early, I think, is incredibly important.
SPEAKER_04But I guess the first question I would have for Dr. Young then, John, would be uh what and I know we said you want to be under a doctor's supervision, and I agree with that wholeheartedly. Uh but the what and the when. Where do you see people sort of hitting into this new media panacea in health and nutrition of peptides?
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so I feel like there are um there are kind of uh six um categories or stops
Start With Goals Then Fix Basics
SPEAKER_00that I would like to encourage people to consider when they're first thinking about peptides. So obviously the first question is is like, should I take peptides? Well, that depends, right? Um and um I think Dr. Fox was talking about this in your podcast as well. Is we really need to find as a first thing, what is our goal? What problem are we actually trying to solve? Are we looking to improve recovery? Are we looking to improve our joint health, um, support metabolic health, reduce inflammation, improve sleep, maintain muscle as we age, or increase energy, which many of those are interconnected. So sometimes you may have several of these as your goals, and um there might be a one approach that you can take that will help in several of them. But if we think of those six parts that I uh mentioned, I would like to have individuals think of like what is the clear goal? So don't start with peptide, because right now, like there are hot peptides in uh in the internet, right? So you may be hearing a lot about one peptide, but that really may not be the one that you as an individual need. So don't start with the peptide, start from a problem. So why are you interested in that peptide in the first place? Then as a second part is to look at the fundamentals first. Um, and I'm taking us back a little bit because I think this is a really important question, important conversation to have because we all love new shiny things. And and I feel like peptides, I think there's 29 more that we're expecting to be approved in the reminder of 2026 or 29. There was a ton more coming down the pipeline. So it really is something that the fundamentals are always going to be there. And I'm gonna kind of just pause us there because the questions in terms of how is your sleep, how is your nutrition, are you strength training? If you're over 40, you need to be strength training regardless how much time you have to do it. If it's 10 minutes, do the 10 minutes. But strength training is gonna be crucial on maintaining the muscle mass. And of course, for many individuals, are you managing stress? And a habit's as simple as are you hydrated? And from research, um then when people are kind of like, Am I doing these foundational habits? There's actually seven that really matter. And some of these seven may be a little surprising. So is it okay if we spend a little time talking about the seven healthy
Seven Habits That Drive Healthspan
SPEAKER_00habits in terms of true and sustainable wellness?
SPEAKER_02I'm I'm taking notes and gonna change my life. So, yes, please.
SPEAKER_00Okay, well, I hope to change your life, but I think you're already doing some of these.
SPEAKER_02So actually, I hope so.
SPEAKER_00The number one healthy habit is community. And I feel like with this podcast, you already have one opportunity for community, but you probably have several other communities in your um in your life. And if you're listening to this podcast and going, like, I don't know if I have community, let's find your community because the connections really fuel our health. Um, research shows that those who pursue their goals in the community are three times more likely to achieve them, no matter what the goal is. Like, how big is that? That's that's huge, right? So we want to think of like, oh, I need the new diet, new um diet plan, or I need that fancy exercise machine or these sneakers. No, you know what? You need to have a community. So let's start from there. Um, the second one is nutrition. So everyday nutrition habits in terms of eating variety of whole foods, making sure you are eating enough protein. Um those are fundamental habits. And one of the key nutrition habits I have noticed in my work with individuals over the last two decades is having breakfast. I know fasting is a huge trend and it works great for some individuals, but majority of individuals, if they have protein at breakfast within 30 to 90 minutes of waking up, they're going to be able to balance their blood sugar levels for the rest of the day and they will do so much better in terms of their energy, the eating rest of the day, their sleep, and so many other things. So, nutrition is the second one. Third, we live in a world that our food is not what food used to be. So, I do believe in strategic supplementation, in making sure we're getting some essential nutrients in that we're not able to get from the food. Um, and if people are very, very busy and they're not having time to eat a variety of foods, then that might get even more important. The Ford habit is drinking water. It sounds super simple, but it's easy enough to do it. So staying hydrated helps in so many different areas in terms of supporting your metabolism, suppressing your appetite. It also has a strengthening effect on your immune system. So great, great habit to make sure you are doing foundationally.
SPEAKER_04I think let me break in real quick here. I'm sorry. Absolutely that's one of the biggest ones that I've noticed in my life over the last several years, and that I see so many people not doing the amount of caffeine or this or that the people are drinking, uh they're just not putting water into their systems. And you know what it does to flush, to to keep the joints, you know, I call it greasing the joints. But whatever. To me, of the ones you've said, I like them all this far, but the the lack of water hydration, I think, is a key loss in society right now, especially as we age.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. And for many women, um, you mentioned the joints, but it also impacts obviously our skin texture, um, hydrate those wrinkles away.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, there's a there's a peptide for that. I don't need to drink.
SPEAKER_00Yeah. And it also impacts how well our brain works, right? When we're chronically dehydrated, it is not good for us. So any of these habits that I'm talking about as a foundational habits, by the way, these are always working brakas. Nobody's gonna ever be perfect in all of them, or maybe not even perfect in every just taking a one of them. So, water, one of the really good strategies that I've found in practice with um clients is drink water before you eat. Like just make it kind of like a habit stack. Okay, I'm gonna eat, I'm gonna have a glass of water right before. And of course, carrying around your water bottle, having it in your back is gonna help. But um these foundational habits are something that ongoingly we need to build mindfulness around. So if if somebody's listening and they're like, I'm not really drinking water, take that as your as your one foundational habit, and it's gonna encourage these other ones as well. So thank you for snapping me on that because we could we could spend a ton of time talking about each one of these.
SPEAKER_02We still can. So we're on we're on four. Water was four, I believe.
SPEAKER_00Water was four. Five is exercise. We are really designed to move. If you think even just in a last maybe 30, 40 years, how much lifestyle has changed. And for me, having grown up in a Scandinavian country, in there, everyday exercise is so much easier to come by. When I'm in the United States, I have to drive everywhere because most of the communities are not walkable. Um there are remotes for everything in the United States, uh, which always makes me laugh. So, how can we add any kind of movement into our day? Um, I know there's always the jokes about the Weight Watchers parking lots and little things like that, taking the stairs. If we don't move it, we lose it. So ideally, we would like to have some moderate intensity exercise. Ideally, we would have some leisure walking just because it's so good for our mental health as well. And ideally, we would have some strength training. But the basic exercise that we all just need on a foundational level is just to move more. Um, so don't stress about it. But if you can get a couple extra steps to your day and lift weights, you're gonna be thankful that you did in 20 years from now. Um the number six, this might be a one that will surprise you as well. And I don't think we in the United States do very well with this because we are just so go, go, go, high stress culture. But uh according to research, humans need a daily silence. So, how do you do on your daily silence, gentlemen?
SPEAKER_02Um, I'm I'm probably approaching zero. Let's see, I work from home usually with ear pods in. Uh yeah, I'm approaching zero. I don't drive with the radio off ever. Uh yeah.
SPEAKER_04I think the only concentrated silence I have when you tell a joke. No, that's silence from you. Oh that's on your part. Oh, okay. Is like as stupid as it sounds when I'm cutting the grass. Because cutting the grass for me is a very long process.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but see, I'm still listening to a podcast.
SPEAKER_04See, I don't like, yeah, see. I don't. I I don't put earphones in, I don't know any stuff, and I'll I'll think. Wow.
SPEAKER_02Wow. No, I wasn't saying wow because you were thinking. You I knew you, I knew you were marginally capable of uh marginally, but I had never resident fake doctor on this show. Dr. Young, say say more about this silence thing because this is intriguing and something I don't know that I've tripped over.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it is not talked about as much in our culture, and I feel like there is starting to be more awareness around it. But silence really has so many benefits for a body and mind in terms of it's being linked to better mental health, it's being linked to improved relationships, emotional processing, um, enhanced self-awareness. Um, you're also going to be interested in the research linking it to reduced blood pressure, um, stress relief, just a sense of inner peace and improved concentration. And as I'm interested in how can we keep our brain working the best, there's a lot of research linking the silence into ability to be creative as well. It doesn't have to be much, anywhere from five to 30 minutes daily seems to be that kind of a sweet spot in practicing silence and focus and being present.
SPEAKER_04Wow.
SPEAKER_00So it can look totally different for everybody, right?
SPEAKER_04Yeah, I guess. Question are are you during the silence thing? Because John and I at different times have you know looked at the martial philosophies in terms of you know meditation and stuff like that. Are you talking meditation or are you just talking shutting the world down and you know letting the brain float?
SPEAKER_00Shutting the world down. So this may look like a prayer walk where you're just being mindful. It may look like meditation for some individuals if that's what they enjoy, but it may look like you doing your boring household chores, but you're just doing them without any distractions, allowing the the body and mind to rest and process.
SPEAKER_02Do you do do you do that?
SPEAKER_00Like, do you I try to do that?
SPEAKER_02How do you how do you apply it to your daily life?
SPEAKER_00I do that during my walks. So I love learning and I love listening to podcasts and books on audio, and I have really made um conscious effort, mindful effort to not do that during my walks. And I do notice there is about this 30-minute mark that I often start getting really creative ideas, and then I have to pull my phone out and try to chop a few of a few of the notes down so I won't forget them. But I have personally really noticed that. And um there's also the stress, uh, cortisol reducing effects of both the silence as well as the walking activity. So I think that is uh kind of a two-in-one from my routine.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, and if we do it in the morning in the sunshine with uh our water bottle with us, we're checking boxes left and right. Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and I love what you just said because as busy as we are, it really is powerful to find habits that you can we call a habit stacking box that you can put together. So if you're already doing something, what else can you combine to that? And it might take two minutes more, but now you're getting it out of the wall out of the way, and it's more likely to become a routine.
SPEAKER_02Super interesting. I like that. I love the idea. All right, number seven.
SPEAKER_00Number seven, you're gonna enjoy
Sleep Problems And Caffeine Relapses
SPEAKER_00this one. It is any guesses? Do you want to guess what number seven would be?
SPEAKER_02Uh daily pizza. Throw stuff at John.
SPEAKER_00Number seven is the thing, and none of us probably do enough, and that is sleep. Um that laugh was out loud.
SPEAKER_02I'm sorry, we're laughing.
SPEAKER_00It is uh so essential for our overall health and well-being, and it it affects both physically as well as mental, mental functioning throughout the day. And yes, there is that magical like seven to eight hours, but it can be individual. But uh research is linking that seven hours of high quality sleep each night consistently to stronger immune system, better moods, better metabolism. And if individual is trying to lose weight, the quality sleep is really helping with the regulation of hunger hormones. I don't know if you've ever had this experience where you haven't slept really good, and then the next day you want to eat everything on site. Yes. Um, and that's really those hunger hormones um just being elevated. So if we can sleep well, it makes weight loss much easier in terms of easier to reduce the calorie intake and easier to have a healthy metabolism and fat burning as well.
SPEAKER_02I I I love that. A, because I'm a horrible sleeper, I sleep poorly, but even before you mentioned sleep, um, if we go back to silence, I was I already was habit stacking where like I literally will listen to a podcast, shut it off, and close my eyes, and somehow I'm supposed to go immediately to sleep, which never seems to happen.
SPEAKER_04You've left the radio on while you're sleeping.
SPEAKER_02Yes, I have. I have, I don't know, maybe I slept learned some things, but yeah, I I think I'm gonna adopt some some period of silence before bed to just kind of you know down regulate.
SPEAKER_04You know, I think I I now that I look at it, I guess you could say, because like when I wake up in the morning, I'll lie in bed and just sit and think. So I mean maybe that's that sort of oh that's adorable.
SPEAKER_02That regulation of silence. That's great. Because when I wake up, I have I have the mental capacity of a toddler. I know, I know. I have your diaper is already full, so really hard to like I start slowly, so there's no thinking.
SPEAKER_04But that but I mean, you know, and it's only you know, Dr. Young, like you're saying, it's not long, it's not 10 minutes, and I know that's that's for sure, it's you know, maybe five minutes max, but it's a start. So I think that's where, you know, to use your term, and I love the term, that's where I can start habit stacking and putting a little bit more onto it.
SPEAKER_01Mm-hmm.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, absolutely. And this is a great example just between you two, in terms of how there's not one size fits all in any of these. It is just a question of where does it make most sense for your routine? And then you practice. Does it really work in this time or this part of my daily, daily life? And if it doesn't, then you try it somewhere else. So I and and of course we go through different different seasons as well. So what may work for me in my normal schedule during the summer may not work for me during a busy season uh during the holidays. So um not being afraid or uh hesitant to try those different routines where it will naturally fit for you as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I think in the wellness space, the saying don't let the perfect get in the way of the good is is a big thing because uh I honestly feel that a lot of people try, you know, they read something, they listen to this podcast, something, and they try it, and they don't do it to a you know a 10 out of 10 level and they give up. They're like, Oh, yeah, I can't be silent for a half hour. Yeah, but maybe you can for five minutes while you're doing dishes, right? I mean you gotta start.
SPEAKER_04I mean, we've had that conversation many times. Get off the couch, walk for 10 minutes. You know, so you're right. You don't build perfect habits immediately, you build a habit.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I don't think anybody's got perfect habits if they do speak for yourself.
SPEAKER_00We all would love to be perfect, but we can. And they the interesting thing about habits too is the old habits that we're trying to change and get away from, they're always gonna be there. I don't know if you can relate to this where you have had a habit that was not serving your health, and you have made conscious effort to change that habit and you have improved, but something happens and you fall right back into that old habit. Do you have an example of that? I have one for John.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, what is it? Is it energy drink related? Yes.
SPEAKER_04If you've if you've listened to any of the podcasts, you know that John and I have an affinity for energy drinks. And uh, I don't have an affinity, I think it's a full-on romance. It was ginger, uh, how much it a couple episodes ago that she talked to us about the impact of it on blood sugar and and whatnot. And John and I looked at each other like, this is like a recovering addict being spoken to us right now. Yes. And you go and it's like, okay, so we start cutting down on caffeine intake, whether it's energy drinks or coffee or or however you get your fix. But then something happens. You know, you have a bad day, you you don't sleep well, and you've got a lot of meetings at work. You don't want to fall asleep in the Zoom meeting or the Teams meeting. So you crack that can open, and there comes the first one. It's like, wow, that tastes good. Yeah, six more.
SPEAKER_02And I don't even think, and I don't know, maybe I've desensitized myself, but I don't think energy drinks work like we think they do. Like oh, we're so numb to it. Like a good night's sleep is a thousand times better than a mediocre night's sleep and an energy drink. I agree. You are not the same human being.
SPEAKER_00So absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. And like I said, we had uh she goes by the diabetes nerd, Ginger Vieira, on here, and she was talking about caffeine, and I wear a constant glucose monitor. And um, I had no idea. I was fighting trying to get my my my blood sugar down. Caffeine is a serious, serious modulator for blood sugar. I was like, oh damn it. So yeah, the stem process it did to your blood sugar was nuts. Yeah, it really was. So you're right. It's an old habit, and now the problem is I know, but every now and then it, you know, like you said, it's that band-aid over crappy sleep, and crappy sleep typically is because I'm not being silent before bed, and not being silent before bed is because of all sorts of so I mean it's a domino effect.
SPEAKER_04Those we talked about the habit there, but you laid out seven habits, seven, you know, seven foundational habits that if you think about it really, if you're into fitness in any way, shape, or form, none of them should be a surprise. But I don't think any of us put them all together in trying to to to paint that metaphoric picture to to get us ready to take those next steps, you know, like you said, to diagnose the problem. Right. John's over here waving in the early.
SPEAKER_02No, I'm waving because I have the world's greatest segue. Um so I thought segues were bad for us. Yeah, just don't drive them off a cliff. Yeah. Um so we talked about these foundational and honestly pretty simple like things we all should be doing, right? Well, easy to say. Well, yeah, but but you know how many peptides address some of these things, and people like, oh, there's a peptide for sleep? I need that. Well, maybe you need it because you're not being silent and you're not going to bed at a reasonable time and
Peptides As Tools And Cycling Plans
SPEAKER_02you're doom scrolling for three hours in bed. Um, you know, there's there's a peptide for like skin, and maybe bursts is the water. Yeah, maybe your skin will get better just if you were well hydrated. I that's one of the fundamental problems I think I have with some of these peptides is they are the new, shiny, sort of dangerous approach to foundational things that we're probably just not doing right. And I and I I have a hard time understanding like why would I be willing to risk, especially now where it's hard to get like under a doctor's care for peptides, like I'm gonna go gray market peptides or to like a compounding pharmacy or from a website, and because I'm because I'm not sleeping, like I don't know.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, so there's a couple different things on there. So, yes, I love that we were able to get these foundational habits there that are the fundamentals that we can always do better. Now, this is where the peptides would come in as a tool. So sometimes people are just stuck, and sometimes they just need a little bit of help to correct things. And I think the important thing about peptides is that we're not gonna get on peptides, for example, if we're improving sleep and we're gonna wanna be on a peptide forever, right? Right. So, at regardless, even if we're using that tool, we still need to be aware of what are we doing with this fundamental habit that we're living 365 days out of the year. And also when you are working with peptide therapy under medical supervision, you are cycling in and out of the peptides because as they are messengers, you don't want your body to not hear the messages that are naturally coming from the body. You want to support that messaging. So, for example, someone to use a peptide, they may be on the peptide for eight to ten weeks based on their um medical doctor's um guidance, and then they will cycle off. And as there are many different peptides that will target many different things, maybe the focus initially is improving the individual's sleep, but then maybe the cycle after that is more focused on a metabolic health. So as we're talking about those six different things you need to consider as it comes to peptides. Our second one was peptides don't replace basics, and that's where we wanted to talk about these seven different areas of habits that we can all always continue learning and improving. Right. And it's always gonna be work around the awareness of how are we doing because life is crazy, right? And uh, we're not perfect.
SPEAKER_04Well, we look for the shortcut, and that's the problem anymore.
SPEAKER_02But I will I will take the opposite thing because I was thinking about this, because they do feel like shortcuts. Like I would love, you know, BP7157, you know, like I would love to just put something in my body that helps repair all the little knits.
SPEAKER_04I tried it for my shoulder.
SPEAKER_02Right. And here and and the thing is is that yes, they might come like one side of it is they're a band-aid, but the other side is so is aspirin when you have a headache. So, you know, I mean, medicine and science are there for a reason, too. It's just I think part of the part of the thing, uh part of the problem I have with peptides is we're so early and it's not as regulated as I want. And we live in an era now where people hear regulated medicine and they think like they they don't trust the science anymore, which is dumb. But I don't know. There's a place for these. I think we're a little early. Like I heard one thing that uh commonly with drugs, there's a thing called LD50. It's the lethal dose of 50% of a population. Like, for example, if you're doing something that was water-based, you would do an LD50 on goldfish, you know. What's what's the dose to kill 50% of a population of goldfish? That that is a found cruel. I know, I don't like goldfish. There's a foundational like like the science of bringing a drug to market, that's sort of a critical threshold. Right. You need to determine those things, and they don't exist right now. So it's really the wild west when it comes to dosing and frequency, and we don't even know the things we don't know yet. Like I I've always heard that with like especially with the broccoli headed kids, the 19-year-olds, if you take testosterone early, you you shut down forever your own your own possibility of ever making it, and you're affecting your reproductive health and and all those things. We don't know that with a lot of these. Now, that being said, Scott, I want to take like four of these.
SPEAKER_00So then if you have determined that these are something that you would like to move forward and continue your research and potentially work with a provider to use for your health, um, when you mentioned the Wild West, I think what's really important for us to is distinct between what's considered research grade and what's considered provider supervised peptides, right? Um, peptide therapies. And this is really where, unless you're researching um this topic, you would not know. I actually have a free peptide guide that I put together with some of the resources that I have found that's available through my links if anyone is interested in it. Um, but I have had so many comments from individuals who have um reviewed that PDF, and they were like, I had no idea that the peptides I can just buy from some website are considered research grade. And um, and those types of peptides, they are often sold online and they are labeled as for research purposes only and not for human consumption. Um, they're really intended to do laboratory research, not patient care, not for individuals, but they are being purchased in some cases for individuals to use. So the potential concerns with the research crate peptides are that there's no provider oversight. There's
Research Grade Versus Medical Care
SPEAKER_00no medical doctor who specializes in these things and knows what they do and how they would work for this individual. There's no obviously no patient, no health screening. The purity of those products can be variable. And there are certain research grade vendors that are providing the certificates of purity and potency and sterility. And but there can be some concerns with those certificates as well. And then of course, there's no accountability or no support if something goes wrong. So with research grade peptides, you may not know exactly what you're getting and who's actually standing behind that product.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, you you can go into your local supplement store. I mean, things on the shelf in popular supplement stores, right? I've seen plenty of people pull those supplements off and send them for third-party testing. And even then, the active ingredients vary widely. So when it comes to peptides that you're buying from gray market, and here's the thing that I think like man on the street, non-scientific people don't understand. Sometimes it's not necessarily the peptide, the actual molecule that's helping you in it that's the problem. It can be the substrate. Maybe it's floating in macadamia nut oil and you have a tree nut allergy. I mean, it it's bonkers.
SPEAKER_04The other thing that I noticed in doing research for in preparing to talk to Dr. Young was there are times that everything that you're taking might be great. It might be within legal limits, it might be within medical limits, but then you're also taking something as simple as vitamin C. Oh, synergistic effect. Yeah, the synergistic effect of what happens between these drugs is night and day. So you're you're taking vitamin C to, you know, protect your immunity and yada yada yada. And all of a sudden, you know, you're stickering a dog because that peptide that you thought was helping you as well just shot it through the roof. And right, right. That effect, that was one of the, I mean, we all know it happens. That was one of the really surprising things is the level to which it happens from what I'm seeing in research right now.
SPEAKER_00Mm-hmm. Absolutely. Those are great, great points. And I'm glad you brought in the comparison to just everyday supplements, right? Because they're not always what they say in the label. And that's why having um manufacturers that you can trust is so, so important. And we've all seen the counterfeit supplements being sold from Amazon. There's been some investigative reporting around that. So you definitely would. This is this is, of course, my personal opinion, is you would want to be under provider supervised peptides. And when you do that, what you're getting is you're getting medical evaluation, you're getting review of the health history and any of these potential interactions that uh the provider can be aware of. Um, you also should get a discussion on goals and symptoms and monitoring and follow-up and access to that provider. Um, and you also get pharmacy quality standards. So, what what are we looking when we're talking about pharmacy quality standards as it comes to peptides? We are looking at what's we consider what's called 5038 pharmacy. And that is a pharmacy that's a licensed compounding pharmacy that is actually creating a customized medications for that individual patient that's on the provider's gear based on the prescription from that healthcare provider. So, in other words, the provider evaluates the patient, determines what medication we're calling the B peptide a medication in this official um um way of doing it, which peptide is appropriate, they will write a prescription, and then that 503A pharmacy compounds that medication specifically for that patient. And the 503 pharmacy is then held to these standards that they will need to test quality um and uh make sure that that product is really what it's supposed
503A Compounding And Finding Providers
SPEAKER_00to be.
SPEAKER_02So um I was and maybe you know this. You we we keep talking about working with a provider. Are there providers out there that will work in the peptide space?
SPEAKER_00There absolutely are, and uh and I think it's becoming a specialty. Like we see specialty providers, and and and honestly, because of the the vast amount of information, ongoing changes, um, it really needs to be a specialty. So I have been able to connect with the group of telehealth doctors that are doing great work in helping people navigate. Um and uh um individuals are really getting what I'm seeing as an individual stories are create great experiences through that type of provider care. Um, but yes, it's important that um the peptide is not considered one size fits all, it's not a protocol that's just floating in the internet, that it is a customized, individualized medicine with the provider uh prescription.
SPEAKER_04I love that concept. And I think we hear it sometimes in a very negative sense when they talk about designer medicine or something like that. But I mean, in real in reality, better known as reality, that's what you're talking about, is that under the care of a licensed specialist, they are looking at specifically what you need, and then they are designing it for you. I love that concept.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely, and imagine how that experience is different now from that purchasing something that doesn't even come already made for you, that you're getting additional parts to use it from some other stores. So when it comes to peptides, I think people really need to focus least to finding the cheapest option and most in finding the safest option. And the goal really ultimately is to support your health, and that always starts with quality products and qualified medical guidance. So I can't emphasize that enough how important it is to have that individualized, customized piece and then ongoing communication with the provider as about, well, it's not like here's your prescription, go go use your peptides. It's rather how are how are things going? What are you seeing? Do we need to adjust something and and having that having that relationship with with the provider?
SPEAKER_04I think the big thing that you hit on there, and John's brought this up because this was he saw it more than I did when we were at a sports festival. Here are the peptides. Hey, we got a doctor here to prescribe it for you. I'm sorry, I don't know you. You've never done any tests on me. We haven't had a relationship/slash conversation. And there's this guy providing, you know, as John's saying, a script for gray market, basically. You know, it's it's okay, put a quarter in this gumball machine, put a dime in this one, and see what comes out, and you get it and you go. No, ultimately, we want to, and and we all know that medicine and the field of medicine is very expensive for us, but ultimately you're looking at, and you hit on this when we started our conversation, at making that last 10 to 15 years of our lifespan as positive as possible versus I can't wait to die. I've got 10 years of dealing with X, or you know, in John's case, playing pickleball, or gonna extend my life. But I think that's that's where we need to start looking at it. And I think peptides have that ability, but it's not the panacea that, oh, I need you know, BP 157 or whatever the number is to fix the issues I have with my shoulder. No, I need to see the specialist to talk about what's going on there. I need to have the analysis. Have I hit those seven foundational sort of basic health tenets? And then if not, what do I need to get that jumpstart? Because you're right, cycling it is the way it has to go because I don't want to shut down my body's ability to do things. It might need to be jump started, but it has to be jump started
Cost, Coverage, And Trend Hype
SPEAKER_04in the right way.
SPEAKER_02You know, you both used a word that I was thinking of. Um, and Dr. I don't know if you know what are the costs involved in this. Are they like, am I mortgaging my home? Am I selling a kidney? Am I uh you don't have kidneys at work? Oh damn it.
SPEAKER_00I am seeing that's my yeah. So obviously it depends on a peptide, depends on a dosage. I am seeing anywhere from about $200 a month, probably up to $500 a month, as kind of the the white range. There are some peptides that are combination peptides. I don't know if combination peptide is actually the proper term, but it will combine a few different peptides. So obviously having the different different components of those types of prescriptions will will impact the cost as well. So I think if we are considering doing it, like cheap, cheaper, like what is the true value in here, right? So we know most of the things we invest in our health are probably not cheap in the sense. Um but I would be also curious to see where we're going over the next few years in terms of, I know, HSA type of uh cards and plans are already covering peptide therapies. So that would be a way for individuals to make it more affordable. But we may see some other options for coverage um as these are getting more into um more into, I don't want to say mainstream, because they have these peptides have been around. It's just now with the influencers and social media and the popularity of the GLP1 products, it has just become kind of the talk on the town, right?
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I was surprised to find out that essentially peptides have been around for, I mean, insulin's been around forever, but I mean, even these peptides we're talking about now, they've been around 10, 20 years. Oh, yeah. I had no idea.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And we know that certain athletes have been using them for improving their recovery and so on. Um, but as we're talking about the individualization, I also want to point out that just because something worked for the athlete or the influencer or the friend doesn't necessarily mean that it's the right fit for us or you or me or the individual. So um the healthcare really needs to be personal and trends are never personal. Let me say that again. Oh, yeah. So health needs to be personal and trends never are. So I think that's really important thing to keep in mind.
SPEAKER_02Oh, so so my career, my Korean skincare routine that I got from somebody on Instagram. What? I spent $8,000 this month on creams made from bird nests. No, but but that's that's sort of the thing, though, right? Like, I mean, and this is gonna label me as old, but kid, these damn kids today, they see it on TikTok. They are way more likely to believe it than if an old man tells them John, young LA doctor. Yeah, young LA, exactly.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, yeah. And especially then with AI. Um, I was actually on a call earlier today where they told me um the conversation was around AI now being able to um distinct if before and after pictures are truly before and after pictures. Oh, really? Because there are there are so many before and after pictures floating on around an internet that are not truly the before and after. So some of these um agencies that are trying to make sure that that's not happening, there's actually uh AI software that now can distinct, which is is kind of interesting. So we really need to need to not just believe our eyes, but really kind of dive into that um that responsibility that we're taking for our health and for also for our research and asking about the questions in terms of what is the peptide designed to do? What are the risks? What are the benefits? How long is it typically used? How can I measure success, right? That's always the important question of any actions that we take for our health. And most importantly, as we refer back to those seven habits, what lifestyle changes should go along with that peptide therapy? And really helping people think long term. I think this is like one of my favorite things to talk about. That I think people should ask themselves whether they're looking for a quick fix or long-term strategy.
SPEAKER_02Quick fix, I guess quick fix. Everybody's looking for a quick fix. I think that's the thing we should do.
SPEAKER_00Absolutely. And that's where we need to be honest with ourselves because the people who do the best are usually the ones who see peptides as a tool, uh, part of the broader health plan and as a complement to other health habits that they're trying to build, not as a replacement for them. And um, I had an opportunity because I have been around wellness for so long, early 2000s, when the weight loss surgeries were getting popular, they were first coming
GLP-1s, Weight Loss, And Muscle Risk
SPEAKER_00and getting popular. And um at that time, which somebody was telling me recently that um insurance companies no longer, I guess, require the counseling that those initial individuals that were going through the weight loss surgeries, there was a very extensive counseling and behavior modification and um um healthier happy counseling that went along with that surgery. So, yes, the surgery was a tool, but it was also a part of the broader health plan. And the individual was building these healthier habits that were then allowing them to keep the weight off in long term. So I think we need to look at that with the peptides and especially with the GLB1 medications now, because many are using that pot peptide specifically for weight loss. Um, research shows that there are several other benefits, especially um based on what I have um seen in the micro dosing way. But if individuals are taking that particular product for weight loss, are they gonna be staying on those doses or having to increase the doses for the rest of their lives? And then now we're talking about that long-term exposure. We're still have the concern of maintaining muscle mass, especially if that weight loss is fast. Um, the concern for bone density. So, yes, we may be losing the weight, but are we improving our health in the process? Because ultimately, why we want to lose weight is to improve our health. So I think those are all really important things to consider.
SPEAKER_02No, I agree. And uh, you know, just to to pile on to what you just said, they put me on Manjaro um very early in trying to control my blood sugar. And I am I'm not overweight, I go to the gym, I eat pretty well. And I stopped and I didn't stop because it didn't work, absolutely worked, but I it shredded you. Yeah, as much as I was losing fat, I was also losing muscle, and everything I've read says that skeletal muscle is so protective as you get older. And I just, you know, I weighed the benefits, and I'm like, there's gotta be another way.
SPEAKER_00I yeah, I I agree. But what have you? I'm sorry, go ahead.
SPEAKER_02No, please, go ahead.
SPEAKER_00I would love to hear what you have found that has worked for you in terms of balancing your blood sugar levels.
SPEAKER_02Well, honestly, so new diagnosis. Yeah, basically. So I and I'm I'm like an evangelist for this now. Um, I was diagnosed type two maybe 10 years ago. Um I weighed 325, I was muscular but fluffy. Um when I was diagnosed, I literally did everything and lost about 80, 90 pounds. Yeah. Um, slowly and carefully and kind of well, but my blood sugar was still crap. And I have been on all the drugs, metformin, jardians, you know, whatever you're watching during prime TV, if you see a drug commercial I've probably been on except for the wet AMD one. I think that's your eyes. Um and then they did the Manjaro thing. And I've actually been contemplating going back to it at like a micro dose because they they ramp up your dosing. And I started at I think 0.2 milligrams and got up to like 10. And at 10, I didn't want to eat. Literally, I you know, I looked ready for the stage when it came to like a bodybuilder, but I felt awful. We looked awful.
SPEAKER_04Yeah, you looked it, but I mean I remember workouts we had, and yet you expect some muscular loss of strength.
SPEAKER_02But you just you hemorrhaged strength. Yeah, so so that all happened, and I got off that. Well, we we just had a um a diabetes uh diabetic nerd. Yeah, the diabetic nerd. And uh she's not a doctor, but she's she's not unlike you. She's passionate in the space and and aggregates basically all the information that's findable. And uh she goes, Have you ever heard of Lada, late-onset type 1 diabetic? And she goes, Ask your doctor to do these two tests, and I did, and they did, and it was, and I am. So now I can't I categorize myself as a type one. They put me on very low dose insulin, well, with meals, and uh boy, my blood sugars are so much different and better. And it it's frustrating, and I think it's part of the reason that drives this podcast. I spent 10 years sort of sort of feeling shitty about myself because I'm like, why can't I solve this? And you have the weirdest peaks too. Oh, yeah. If I extra if I like if Scott and I were in a gym and I was hitting it really hard, my blood sugar would go up. I mean, how counterintuitive. But that's I guess that's very type one issue. So I think that all that all my sob story goes back to what you said is you need a healthcare professional, or you you you need a health professional in your corner when you're doing any of these things.
SPEAKER_04But you need a journey, John. I think is a big thing I'm taking from tonight as far as it's not a you know, stick needle in it, it's done. It's you've got to have the counsel, you've got to have
John’s LADA Story And Better Control
SPEAKER_04the foundation, you've got to have all of those things that sort of build that path that you're going to follow.
SPEAKER_02Right. But even before you get there, like I'm doing the math in my head and I could be spending between like three and five thousand dollars a year on a pepti uh peptide. Uh maybe, you know, you know, water is I already pay for water, I take baths in it. It's glorious. Don't drink that water. No, I don't drink that water. You're right. Good point. But I mean a walk, cost-free, right? Proper nutrition, you're buying food anyway. Buy the right food. Yeah. It's so silly, and I'm sure it frustrates a lot of medical professionals. It's like, hey, hey, doc, I need this drug. Oh, okay. Um, what did you have for breakfast? Well, you know, I went to McDonald's and I had uh well, Megan talked about the right breakfast sandwiches.
SPEAKER_04Tell me what you're having. Okay, so you're taking cream Okay, that's great. Tell me that you're taking it before we start running these tests so we can tailor these tests to find out specifically what it is. And I think that's it. You know, and and Dr. Young, you hit on it when you said you know, back in the early 2000s when they were having, you know, the gastric bypass surgeries or the stomach staplings or the whatever. You were mandated to get counseling as well.
SPEAKER_02And that even drifted from the the truly grossly obese, bed trapped people. You started to see that trend into a more well, you know, I'm 40 pounds overweight and I can't seem to get it off. Maybe I need that surgery.
SPEAKER_04But that's that's where I'm going with that is that counseling that I think that we need to get back to in medicine, having that relationship.
SPEAKER_02You guys want to open a peptide clinic with me? I think I think there's a there's space down the hall in the studio or what? Why not? We'll use the we'll use the spare studio. Uh Dr. Young, have you have you done any of these peptides? Have you tried any of these peptides?
SPEAKER_00I have more so been an interesting um bystander. I have a very large community that have done a variety of ones. Actually, um, one of my dearest friends, she is a great um in one in terms of um really the life-changing effect of peptides, specifically that PBC 157. Yeah, she had had uh years of um challenge with sciatica and nothing was helping. And within three weeks, she saw significant improvements and has continued to improve. Come on. So the more I am witnessing these obviously individual results vary, and these these are individuals that are working with uh providers. The more I am witnessing them, the more I am going, like, you know what? There is definitely something here because I am seeing people get results. And um, anytime when people ask me what peptides I've personally tried, I really go back to um, like I like to take a step back and um explain why I became interested in these in the first place, because we never know when these challenges show up, right? Like we can do all these foundational habits and we should be doing all these foundational habits, but like the um example I shared with my good girlfriend, she actually is training currently for one of those hydrox events. Oh god. Where they're yeah, so she is in her 60s. Oh, that's awesome. Wanting to be fit, but she had this injury that was really holding her back from her health and lifestyle that she wanted. And um, it was really, really cool to see and uh witness that improvement on her. So um it really fascinates me to learn how these different individuals are doing with peptides. And I'm I'm always so thankful when people share their stories with me. Um and uh it lets me learn in uh in uh uh as a non-medical professional in the clinical way, seeing what's what's working out there.
SPEAKER_02All I can say about the example you just shared is damn, yeah, right. I tell you, I still there's there's four of these I still want to try. Yeah.
SPEAKER_00I know it's um it's hard to not be believer once you are seeing some of these results. And um, I thought it might be interesting for us to talk about a few different ones that might be some of the ones that you hear in the media. Sure. But um just to kind of let the listeners to understand and maybe hear some of the names and what they might be used for.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So pick your favorites.
SPEAKER_00Okay, so obviously we hear so much about the GLP ones. Um uh tarcepatide is one that I am seeing um many use under provider supervision that is being used for appetite regulation, blood sugar management. The blood sugar management is a huge issue in the United States, and it has a significant impact on individuals' well-being. I think um, I think the the percentage is like 70 or 80 percent of individuals, 40 plus, have challenges with their blood sugar management. And obviously, there are some uh natural supplements that I've also seen research and um I've witnessed in the in a kind of clinical way of them working, but this one is also helping solve that. Um, obviously, the improvements in metabolic health, weight management, and the interesting one is the reduction in the food noise. Um, that is one that um seems to be um a big for many of the women. We're also seeing some research that say that there may be uh connections to other habits, such as like drinking alcohol. So it's not just reducing the food noise, it's also reducing the the cravings for alcohol and so on.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I know from when I was on Manjaro, like it is it is weird, and I don't know that you can completely explain to somebody, but the sudden disinterest in food is odd. It's just odd. Like it, it's not like it was revolting, it's not like uh like I knew I didn't want it, I just didn't think about food, and it it was a something. And I and I've seen one of the newer peptides that come out the Reditrutide, Redomice. I hope I'm saying that right.
SPEAKER_00Um yeah, I
Popular Peptides And What They Claim
SPEAKER_00believe that is currently not available under physician's um guidance. Yeah, that is only available as uh as a research crate product at this time.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, but I think that's sort of the next one because you know it's it's got that third agonist. I I forget the the letters of it, but it it does it's and it's supposed to be a little more muscle protective, but we'll see.
SPEAKER_00We'll see. Yeah, there's definitely going to be more information coming out on that. Um, and most people really see the GLP ones as a weight loss medication, but I think they really are a metabolic health tool, especially as it comes to the microdosing um that we're seeing, seeing um in um in some of the research. Then obviously, for any of us over 40, the recovery and injury support is a huge interest as it comes to peptides. So the PBC 157 is one that many have heard, and that could have benefits for recovery support, tendon support, ligament support, muscle recovery, and also some benefits um um for potentially for gut support, gut health. Um and for our age group, I think this peptide is interesting because recovery often takes longer as we age and it becomes more and more important part of being able to do the things that we we want to do. So this could be uh a really valuable. And um, I have had um conversations with individuals who've had who've used this peptide in preparation for um for surgeries uh after surgeries. Oh um, they've used it to recover from injuries and so on as well.
SPEAKER_04I've actually used this one when you know we've talked quite a bit about it in you know through all the shows with the issues I have with my shoulder. When it first started flaring up, I used it for I want to say 60 days-ish, you know, right around two months. And it helped, but I didn't see the results that I thought. So I discontinued it.
SPEAKER_02But it was at a point where the pain wasn't, ladies and gentlemen, it may have helped, but he also was overhead pressing like a a small Buick. So I don't know that he was giving his body necessarily a fighting chance, but that's whatever. That was the most sideways compliment. No, there's no compliment there. Don't don't take it the wrong way.
SPEAKER_04I don't know if I was pressing a small Buick.
SPEAKER_02That's a compliment. You're basically spraying water and gasoline on a fire at the same time.
SPEAKER_04But I mean, no, it you know, you say you've talked to people who've used it, and yeah, you know, it and that one is commercially available without you know having um being under medical care. You you you you can find those out there, and that's I think that's part of what we've addressed a little bit tonight. So what's the next one you got for us?
SPEAKER_00The next one I thought I would mention is sort morelin, and that is one related to muscle preservation and healthy aging and um what it's being used for. I think you may have mentioned this at the very beginning, um, supporting natural growth hormone production. Amen.
SPEAKER_02That's on my list.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, it also can have some benefits into recovery, sleep, obviously, muscle maintenance, and then overall healthy aging. Um, it is interest, I think, for us over 40, just because we become increasingly aware of the mobility, the bone health, the independence, and the metabolism. And we need the muscle for all those things. So, really, the from building muscle to preserving muscle, I think that one is is an interest for for many. Um, and then NAD plus, I feel like this one is one that it is obviously for energy and longevity, but I feel like this is a peptide that most individuals have heard more. Um, it is used for cellular energy production, mitochondrial support, mental clarity, recovery, and healthy aging. And um, the NAD um plus levels naturally decline with age. There's this graph where you can just see the dip that you get. And uh that's why this one is, I think, a great interest for anyone, anyone over 40.
SPEAKER_02Yeah. Um that one I ran into, like, I knew that existed. Like you can go to you can go to like your general nutrition place and get that over the counter. That that's been around for a little bit. And uh one of the people I follow on Instagram that I actually listen to, Dr. Gabrielle Lyon, is is very large on the N A N A D and the N M N, which are really hard to say, but uh they are both energy precursors. I I think I should have paid more attention to the Krebs cycle when I was in school. I would not spell Kreb. Excellent. It's not crusty Krebs. Um easy smells. But you know, I wonder I wonder if we had this conversation 10 years from now, what it would sound like. Like, are are we being re like ridiculous and like these things are just going to happen and our lives are gonna get better and we're gonna see more healthy 90-year-olds? I I hope so.
SPEAKER_00Well, the projections for in terms of the market for peptides, um, I think the data that I saw was estimating by 2036, about 80% of the population in US adult population being on some kind of peptide products. Um, I think it currently is anywhere from 70 to 80 billion dollar market. So obviously, anytime that there's a demand and um market, money to be made, um, that's when we really start seeing these different varieties of products of different quality um and different marketing to pop up. So I think that just kind of reminds all of us that we really need to do our due diligence. And uh I can't say enough of um finding uh finding a provider that um is specializing and and can supervise the whole approach into health, not just in terms of one peptide, but how those peptides will work into your health history, the other medications, the symptoms, and most importantly, the goals, as we're talking about someone wanting to live to 89 and some other person wanting to live to 89, they may want to do very different things during those uh years. So, how does what you're doing really can help you meet those goals? I think it's a really important question.
SPEAKER_02Well, I did set uh in one of our podcasts we we set the discussion that I'm going to set the 80-year-old deadlift record.
SPEAKER_04You were going there, that's why I pointed at you.
SPEAKER_02Yep. So when I'm 80, I'm deadlifting. And unfortunately, I actually found a number. Yeah, it's 400 pounds right now. So I have to deadlift over 400 pounds when I'm 80. So I need to take it. Oh, well, here's the thing. Yeah, I'll get to 80, and then you know that record's broke. Fat and lazy by then I'm not concerned. Gonna be? Oh, yeah, good point. I can tell you this too, and I'm gonna admit this to all our listeners. I'm gonna Google like someone, like I'm gonna look into going under care and and investigating this more because this interests me. And I I love being in the the cutting edge and versus you know, n equals one kind of stuff.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and there are certainly uh really great resources in terms of education, learning more about this. Um, fortunately, I think sometimes people spend more time researching new car than they do learning about how their metabolism works. And um, and sometimes, you know, I I know if I find a
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SPEAKER_00provider that I can trust, I find a company manufacturer that I trust, I know it takes a big weight off my shoulders because I know I'm getting what I'm looking for. Um, but it is important for us to do that. And like you said, longevity isn't just about adding the years to our life, it's about really adding life to our years and allowing us to do what we want. And for me, that's priceless. So I am gonna continue personally researching, knowing that my toolbox is full, knowing that I have my A-line ready to go. If there are health issues that I wanna wanna try to solve or that are challenging the way that I want to live.
SPEAKER_02So um, but ladies and ladies and gentlemen, let's do our let's do our seven foundational things before we start thinking about sticking chemicals in our bodies.
SPEAKER_04Well, yeah, take the steps, man.
SPEAKER_02Don't don't don't be a jackass and try to jump to the front of the line. No, you can you can do that today. Stop listening to the podcast. You know, actually, no, don't stop. Don't stop listening to the podcast. But when it's over, put on your shoes, go outside in silence, and take a walk. Drink some water. Uh, anything else we can add? What else can we lump up? Take a walk. Yeah, we were walking. Well, no, you just said go outside. Oh, I can stand on the front porch and drink some water. You are gonna be fat and lazy when you're old.
SPEAKER_00I really think we cannot speak enough as it comes to those seven habits about the community. And when you shared the example about the energy drinks, and we talked about how you have those old habits always there to fall back into. What's gonna keep you on the right track and achieving and moving forward and practicing and being okay, not being perfect, it is the community. And just that data point that if you have that, that you're gonna be three times more likely to achieve your goals, no matter they are. So if that if there's a one thing that I would love everyone to take away from this is really is like, what's your community? Maybe it is this podcast, and you come along and you know, uh nerd out on all the things uh with you. Um, but what other ways are there to build a community and maybe try some new things, have some regular hangouts with like-minded people, um, and really making time for each other because we all have great friends that we haven't seen in a long time, right? So how do we how do we make that a priority and and then through that meet our health goals?
SPEAKER_04You know, you you brought up the idea of community, and John and I have talked about that even before we started the Masters Athlete Survival Guide. There we are both in uh board members of a foundation, and we've got our our big fundraiser coming up on August 8th. One of the things that when we talk to people about this fundraiser, this this sort of event that happens is the sense of community, the spirit, uh, the the compassion and the passion that comes out of that group of people getting together. Uh you know, I bought John's talk a lot about trying to pickleball, but you know, the community of people who are there together doing that, can't speak enough about these things and that sort of ability to uh take strength when you're not always doing it alone. Yeah, you mentioned the idea of being quiet and you know that it's a solitude moment. So being alone at times is not a bad thing, but putting together and having those people that support what you're doing is absolutely priceless. And it's one of the things that I think has helped. I I know I speak for myself and I think I speak for John on this as well, that it's helped us move forward in some of the struggles that we've had over the last you know eight, nine, ten years.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, I mean, shared pain makes pain lighter. Like, like it's funny how many things you struggle with that if you say out loud to someone that cares about you, they just look at you and go, You too? And yeah, right? Like, okay, yeah, me too. And this is this is how I got through it. And this is oh, by the way, this is how my cousin got through it. And yeah, yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER_00Yeah, and uh, that is so valuable because everybody is challenged with something, and um again, this goes back into us wanting to be perfect. We don't have to when we have that community of support, so um, leaning into it really, really is powerful. So I'm glad you are experiencing that and inviting others to be part of that as well.
SPEAKER_02Yeah, well, thanks. Well, I think that's a great place to stop because bottom line, the takeaway from this is before we go down this highly uh experimental, emergent peptide route, get with some like-minded people, go for a walk, drink some water, set that foundation. Yeah, yeah. So, Dr. Young, I really appreciate you. Um, I'm sure we're gonna ask you on again in the future and we can circle back on because it is uh an industry that's moving so quickly, there'll probably be a thousand changes by then. And there's something, I mean, you and I have said we're gonna start looking at it a little bit more now, too. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we can do more and equals one kind of stuff. But I appreciate your time. Um I'm still John, am I? I that's questionable at times, but I know that I'm still Scott. And this was Dr. Young talking to us about peptides. Thanks, everybody. Thank you.
SPEAKER_00Thank you so much.
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