013 - Love, Loss & Moving On, with Lindsey Hall - Divorce Coach

Divorce might be the end of a relationship, but it doesn’t have to be the end of joy, confidence, or pleasure.

In this episode, divorce and intimacy coach Lindsey Hall joins me to talk about navigating breakups, co-parenting, and dating after divorce - without losing yourself in guilt, shame, or anger. Lindsey believes in empowered, pleasure-filled healing and helps her clients break free from social conditioning that keeps them stuck in old patterns.

We discuss:
✅ Why emotional support is just as important as legal and financial help
✅ How to stop guilt, shame, and outside opinions from dictating your healing
✅ Co-parenting challenges and why you need to clean your side of the street
✅ Why pleasure and self-love aren’t luxuries - they’re the foundation of healing
✅ The biggest mindset shift that makes dating after divorce feel exciting, not terrifying

If you're navigating divorce, co-parenting, or looking to step into your power after a breakup, this one’s for you.

For more insights, tips, and guidance on living a meaningful life, visit Mel Harrowsmith Coaching. Ready to dive deeper? Reach out to book a session and start your journey towards purpose today.

Edited with finesse, transcribed and produced by Mike Roberts at Making Digital Real

Transcript

Hello and welcome to the Life With Purpose podcast. Today I am joined by Lindsey Hall, a divorce and intimacy coach who works with clients to navigate the choppy and emotionally turbulent waters of divorce, dating and co-parenting all with a foundation of pleasure, power and joy. Lindsey coaches from the foundations of self-love, self-trust and embodying pleasure as a tool for healing.

She's passionate about bringing more pleasure to your daily life and peeling back the layers of shame and social conditioning that prevent you from living your fully empowered lives. Lindsey, welcome. How are you? I'm good, thank you. 

Thank you for having me. Oh, you are very, very welcome. I am looking forward to our conversation today.

I suspect it's going to be incredibly interesting and eye-opening. So, before we start, I decided I'd do a little bit of research just to see what the latest statistics are around divorce and to give us a bit of context for the conversation we're having today. And I found that in England and Wales, one in three marriages will end in divorce before the 20th wedding anniversary.

And that comes from the Office of National Statistics. So I think we can say that one is a fact. The rest were all a little bit harder to find in a way that was easily understandable to somebody who's not a statistician.

But it looks like divorce rates in Scotland are similar, around a third, at 33 percent. And in the US, around 40 or 50 percent. And then, I'll be honest, I did look at other rates for Ireland and some of our neighbours in Europe, but the way they were presented was far too confusing for this person with a very small mathematical brain.

So I abandoned that. But I think the point is, really, that divorce is still affecting, here in the UK, around a third of marriages. And that's just the two people in the marriage itself.

It's not capturing the emotional turmoil, the financial impact, and the ripple effects for the wider people, whether that's children or other loved ones connected to that relationship. So this is obviously a big thing. We know that not as many people are getting married anymore, so people cohabiting. 

But people who've been cohabiting for a long time, emotionally, it's the same. Financially, it might be the same. Yeah, I was going to point that out to you, that those stats only show those who were legally married and then get legally divorced.

There is a lot of people who still go through the same emotional part of a long-term relationship, breaking up, that didn't do the same legal process. Yeah, absolutely. So there's a lot of people out there who are affected by this.

So perhaps you could start explaining how you fit into this as a divorce coach. What is your purpose as a divorce coach? Yeah, my purpose as a divorce coach is to help with the emotional side of it. Because so often when people start to talk about possibly getting divorced or decide to go through with it, the first thing that anybody thinks about is getting a lawyer, which of course is wise, or they think about the financial side.

And then perhaps somewhere along the way, if it's particularly messy, maybe somebody will say, maybe you should talk to a therapist about this. But that often seems to come at a very different point. And only if things get really bad.

It's often not thought of as part of the overall care package, if you will. And I would strongly argue that getting emotional support is just as crucial as all the other bits, if not even more so in some ways, because that's going to make a difference to how everything else progresses. So I'm here to help with all the guilt, the shame, the anger, the frustration, the resentment, anything that comes along with it.

And rather than getting stuck in those emotions and letting those emotions drive your decisions, both in terms of how the divorce itself goes ahead, you know, what you're asking for in the settlement or that kind of thing, but also in terms of your ongoing co-parenting relationship. And how you view this overall when you're moving forward in your life. So it can be this event that locks all those dark, awful emotions in you, or you can get that support and learn to flip all that and see this as a huge growth opportunity and go, actually, I'm going to take a look at myself, at my relationships and do things differently.

And it just, it can make a world of difference to everything moving forward. Yeah, it sounds like it. So the way you described that by talking about, you know, people might potentially at some point recognizing they might want therapy, but it's much further down the road, normally once people have started licking their wounds and realize that things are not great.

So it almost sounds like the coaching is a positive intervention step way before you get to the point where you think, oh my God, I need therapy. So the people never fall into that despair trap. Yeah, I would absolutely say it's one of those, one of those many things where you go, the sooner the better.

There is no point that is too soon to do this, because it really can, you know, prevention is key and all of that. Yeah, if you can get that emotional support when you're going through the divorce negotiations, or even before you even fully finalize the decision and you just want some help, like, you know, working out, is this right decision? How do I do this without the guilt, without the anger? There really is no too soon. Yeah.

Oh, brilliant. It sounds incredibly positive. So what brought you into divorce coaching? I got divorced and didn't have this support.

Okay. I, yeah, I got divorced. Well, we split up five years ago now.

So it was Christmas time, 2019. And it was the catalyst for me looking at myself, really, in all of this. So I did about six months into the process, I started seeing a coach.

I actually started seeing a sex coach, because I thought that sex had been the biggest problem in my marriage, and that I wanted to make sure I fixed me in that regard before I even began thinking about anything else, like future relationship wise. I then very quickly realized, first of all, that I wasn't broken in that department. And second of all, that I had a lot of, like, even work to do and I wanted to show up differently.

So after working with this coach on all that other stuff, I realized the big impact it had. And then I decided that I wanted to be the coach too and get to help other people go through this and realize that, yeah, the earlier you can do it, the better. And it's all so tailored and so specific as well.

So where you're at in the process very much changes the type of coaching that you would benefit from. And there's no kind of one size fits all. But I just realized there was this huge gap, because the advice I was getting from friends and family, although well-meaning, was kind of rubbish.

And there was a lot of, like, their anger and their perspective on things. And I didn't want to do it that way. I didn't want to carry this anger forward.

And everybody telling me what, you know, insert various swear words here by Excel, it just wasn't helpful. Like, that may or may not be true, but I have to co-parent with this person and we're going to have a relationship forever. How do I deal with all of this stuff inside of me in a way that helps this new relationship that I've, you know, I don't know how to have a co-parenting relationship.

And I was desperate for help in that sense. And realized that so many other people could use that as well. Yeah, yeah.

It's interesting as well that you mentioned the influence of other people's opinion. And of course, nobody knows the truth of what's going on inside a marriage or a long-term relationship. So although, like you say, it's well-meaning, things can be, you know, assumptions, judgments that just aren't helpful.

And that independent third party who is emotionally disengaged from it all is potentially the best source of support in some of these situations. Yeah. People are very quick to want to put blame somewhere when a marriage falls apart, both people externally and within the marriage.

And I would say it's very, very rarely that obvious or easy, you know, even if it's the case of somebody cheating or a one-sided decision or whatever. Marriages fall apart for a whole lot of reasons that involve both people. And I think if you just blame one party, it lets everybody off the hook too easily.

And actually, there's a whole bunch of work to be done all around. So it's part of your coaching as well, helping people to identify responsibility and... Absolutely. And because I have yet to see a marriage end where somebody was... I don't want to say completely blameless because it's not about the blame, but it's about this relationship didn't work out between two people.

Why? And how do you want to show up differently next time? And what is it that you're looking for in a relationship, in other people and in you? And there's just always that ownership, that accountability and your own growth to do around that. Yeah. So I think if we've got, you know, let's stick with the stat of roughly a third of marriages and long-term relationships that are obviously added onto that.

So if you've got a lot of relationships that are breaking down and falling apart, there's obviously a huge, huge amount of emotional turmoil. Even if things are reasonably amicable, there's still emotion involved in there. So I don't think anybody's ever looked at a divorce, seen a divorce, experienced one directly, supported their friends, whatever your connection with divorce might be.

I don't think anybody's looked at that and gone, well, yay, divorce, this is brilliant. And yet some of your clients have fed back that it's divorce but fun. So how is divorce fun? That is a very fair question.

Yes, I don't claim to make divorce fun as such. But yes, what I can definitely offer is you can still be uplifting and you can find the good. And there's so much good that can come from this.

And that even when you're going through the really tough times of it, there's always hope that it's gonna get better. And there's this acceptance that just because this is what I'm feeling now isn't what I'm gonna feel forever. One of my favorite quotes that I discovered when I was in the thick of all of this is by, oh, now I've completely just lost her name.

But it says that no feeling is final and beauty or terror, just keep going. And also I probably just got that slightly wrong, but the point is no feeling is final. And really that was a big thing for me was to learn that whatever we're feeling, don't be afraid to feel that even if it is the depth of the hard stuff.

But feeling that and going through it is what's gonna let you come out the other side. And then when you come out the other side, you get to create this joy for yourself. You get to even in the worst of times, put on that good candle, wrap yourself up in the cozy blanket, like find the pleasure at all points in your life.

And it makes the whole experience not suck quite so bad. And then when you're through the worst bits, then it gets to be better and better and better. So that's kind of what it means when people talk about like you do divorce stuff, but like fun is I'm going, we're gonna go through the hard, messy stuff and we're not gonna wait to do the fun stuff till the end.

We're gonna do the hard stuff and the fun stuff, the hard and the pleasurable. And it gets to all be this like messy human mix. Yeah.

So what are the most, the challenges that people are coming up with then? So to bring that joy in, in amongst all of that minefield of the divorce situation, to help people bring joy in, what are the common blockers that are stopping people from allowing that in? Most of the time it's stuff like, it just doesn't even enter their brain, doesn't enter their minds to just seek out these pleasurable moments. It's, we end up, and particularly if you've got young kids and we have this kind of societal expectation that if when you have young kids, like you become a martyr and it's all about them and not about you and put everybody else's needs first. And so we get so used to putting ourselves at the bottom of the pile.

And this is particularly rife for women, people who have been socialized as women, but it happens with men too. And so it's really changing that mindset that it's not selfish or inexcusably luxurious to do these nice things for yourself. And so it's, yes, there's some practical logistics barriers as well.

Like, it can be really hard to find the time and I'm not talking about, you might not be able to go out and do a whole spa day by yourself. And so people go, well, I don't have the time and I'm overwhelmed. But there's always time to add that splash of flavored syrup to your coffee, if that's gonna make it nicer for you in the morning.

Light that candle, like the house chaos is still happening around you. But if we start by even these like micro doses of pleasure and you go, oh, actually, that did make my day just the tiniest bit better. And then tomorrow you might go, and I'm gonna do this other thing.

And so it's usually, back to your question of what's the biggest blocker. It's usually just our own brain, not really thinking about it or letting ourselves do it. And it takes somebody else to go, just try the thing, just try that, try it for a week and let me know how you get on.

Yeah, I think we do see that, don't we? That it's very easy to just get bogged down in whatever's going on. You know, it might be divorce, it might be work, it could be all sorts of things. It's so easy to get bogged down and then just not appreciate that giving yourself, even if it's just five minutes, can be so valuable.

You know, we come back to the whole, the first rule of first aid is keep yourself safe. I'm probably cannibalizing that terribly. That's not the direct quote at all.

But the point is, you know, if you're not okay, nobody else is okay. And if it takes a little bit of syrup in your coffee to help you be okay, then you crack on and make that a part of your day and what's important to you. And people sometimes, I think, get a little skeptical when I say stuff like that.

And they're like, how is the flavored syrup or the candle gonna make this divorce better? Or, you know, make me okay? Like, that is a tiny drop in the ocean compared to everything that's happening. And so I'm not saying that's gonna be the thing that makes everything okay. But it is that, it's that bringing in those pleasure moments and the more and more we do this and the more we work with our nervous system, your nervous system then starts to calm and that calming is what allows the healing to happen.

So I, you know, I don't want it to be like, I can fix everything with a bubble bath because it's so much bigger than that. But it's these pieces that start to build. Wouldn't it be amazing? I know, that would be so much easier.

So notwithstanding the fact that we can't fix the world with a bubble bath, you mentioned children there and co-parenting specifically. And I know that you also offer coaching around co-parenting. So what are the kinds of things that you're working on in the co-parenting space? Yeah, co-parenting is always a fun one, not a challenging one.

Um, because we often spend so much time trying to fix the other person or change what the other person is doing and get so mad about what they're doing, whether it's how they're talking to us or what they're doing on their parenting time. And we spend so much time out there on the other person. And we think it's all about our kids and we think it's like, no, but this is what's best for my kid and I have to.

And so the probably the biggest part of my co-parenting work that I do with people is helping them learn to let go of what they can't control and really getting clear on what they actually can control and what they can't. And what all you actually can control is your stuff, your reactions, what you do in your house on your parenting time and how you react to the other person, how you set boundaries. And so I, again, I can't ever claim that like, I can give you the best co-parenting relationship ever and pretty soon you're gonna be going on family holidays together and it's gonna be fantastic.

You know, I can't make those promises, but what I can work with you on is how do you do your side of it? How do you clean up your side of the street is a phrase I use a lot. And that, because that's all you can do. The other person, your co-parent may or may not do their own work, but you doing yours still has a huge impact on the overall co-parenting relationship.

But most importantly, it's on how you feel about it all then. So let them continue being a total asshole. That's fine.

If they're gonna do that, they're gonna do that. But you don't have to rise to that. You don't have to let it ruin your day.

If they start, you know, sending you ranty texts about all the things you're doing wrong, you can either get super angry and let that, you know, you're now defending yourself or mad that they do this, or you can go, oh, look, they're at it again. Put the phone down and go about your day. And isn't it so much nicer having all that energy to use on you rather than splaying out at your co-parent? Yeah, so I can see why letting go of that control, understanding what you as parent number one can control and what you can't control about the other person, keeping your side of the street tidy, as you said.

But there's obviously, you know, once you've got kids in the mix there, you know, completely different dynamics. So how are you encouraging people to let go of that control that's specifically around the children? Because I don't have children myself, but I can imagine that that's incredibly hard. It is. 

It's really hard. And I'll say even, well, although we're five years in, we're kind of two, almost three years into our 50-50 co-parenting. And it's still occasionally there's times where it's still hard for me where I'm like, oh, I just want, you know, a kid comes home in the wrong coat or, you know, like something that I think isn't entirely weather appropriate.

And I want to call up and be like, why did you send them to school in this? I'm like, but actually they were warm enough. The teachers would give them a spare coat if it wasn't right. I mean, this is just an example because it's freezing cold today.

But so it's something that takes a lot of practice and a lot of learning the tools to be able to step back and go, is this actually affecting my kids' safety? And if it's affecting actual safety, and I don't mean in some dramatic way where you're like, but their kid, there wasn't the warm enough coat. No, they actually, they were fine. If they went to school in a tank top, in a swimsuit on a snowy day, then maybe we got issues.

But if it was just not quite as warm as I would have dressed them in, chill out, Lindsey. That's not, you know, they're fine. So yes, I will say when it comes to your kids, it just takes a lot more practice and a lot more really just working through.

Actually, what's the purpose of parenting anyway? What are you trying to prepare them for? Well, this whole big wide world where they're going to come across a whole bunch of different people and styles. And actually this is part of their journey. And there's so much stuff that we work through in order to get to a place where you're okay with the fact that your co-parent co-parents differently than you do.

And this is just part of what it's going to be like for your kids. And how do you manage your emotions so that when the kids come back saying, this thing happened at the other parent's house and you don't like it, you can still go, okay, honey, but this is how we do it here at this house. And where you set again, those boundaries and the differences.

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Now, let's get back to the conversation. That's incredibly clear. Thank you very much.

I'm not saying it's easy. No, no, absolutely not. Yeah, this is the thing, isn't it? With all of these patterns of behavior and thoughts and emotions that we have.

And depending how old we are, depends how ingrained they are. And again, it takes time to unpick these. I mean, I remember doing a course a while ago and the lady who ran the course, she said, you know, if you've got 35 years of stuff, that's not going to disappear overnight.

Yeah. And it's going to take practice to move that along and change it for the better. So yeah, it does take time.

But the rewards at the end of that, as we see the work that we do and through our own personal journeys, the rewards are definitely worth it. And it filters down to your kids. Like you doing this work now absolutely makes the biggest difference in terms of how your kids handle all of this too.

Like, no, the kids probably don't want their parents to get divorced. I've yet to find one who were like, yes, thank goodness. Because even if it was a really, like, obviously volatile marriage, kids still feel like they want their families together.

But that's how you deal with this and how you model that work, that inner work, that repair, what good relationships look like, all of those things, that's what makes the biggest difference to them. Now, moving on slightly. So another area that you help people with is intimacy.

Yes. Which is an interesting word because as a British woman who grew up in the 80s and 90s, as soon as you say the word intimacy, that immediately means sex. And that's just not the case.

So it might be worth for those like me, who have a strange interpretation of the word, to define exactly what an intimacy coach is. Yes. So I, and I bummed an odd about how I use my title.

And sometimes I do just say, I'm a divorce coach. But yes, my full title is divorce and intimacy coach. Because really, all of this work that I do and everything we've talked about so far, and whether it's the divorce or the co-parenting, or we haven't talked about dating, but I do, that comes into this, dating and relationships.

But all of it is based on intimacy with yourself, first and foremost. And so what that means to me is getting to know all parts of you, even the parts that maybe you haven't so far been willing to look at, you know, the shadowy parts. It's getting to know yourself, to ask yourself questions, to love and accept all parts of you.

So I was taught from my coach, Chelsea Page, about this intimacy pyramid, which starts with intimacy with yourself, then it's emotional intimacy with somebody else, then physical intimacy, and then sexual intimacy is the very top part of this. So yes, loads of people come and go, oh, intimacy, you must mean sex. Like, but that's just the very top bit.

There's so much more below that, that really is the foundation of it. So if you are having sex issues of some sort, it's probably not just a sex issue. It's probably intimacy somewhere else down the chain.

And it all comes back to intimacy with yourself, first and foremost. Okay, so you talked about there, knowing yourself, really. So you talked about the shadowy parts, so the things about ourselves we don't like, perhaps.

The parts that are probably operating on a subconscious level, that are affecting our behavior, then we're not really sure why that's happening. So is this about going back and healing some of those parts, or bringing them into the light, or both of those? Yes. Okay.

Yeah, and it's not usually something that I do kind of explicitly, as in you wouldn't come to me and I'd go, here is my intimacy coaching program. It's more that it's interwoven throughout everything. But yeah, so if we're talking about dating and going into a new relationship after your divorce is done, and you're getting into a new relationship, and coaching is about moving forward.

It's, you know, this is forward-faced, but we do sometimes. So, okay, well, yeah, where are these patterns coming from? And let's look at some of, it might be childhood stuff, and we do some healing work around that. And it might be just, yeah, bringing it into the light and going, okay, you were so afraid of this part.

So you're trying to smush that part of you away. That actually, when you do that though, it just sneaks out in these other little ways. And if we can accept that part of you and go, oh, that is a part of me.

And, you know, when does that part come out? What does that part of me need? That can then, yeah, it brings it into the light. And you go, it's a part of who I am. And the more you accept you and integrate all the bits of you, the more every relationship in your life flourishes.

First and foremost, that relationship with you. But when you're no longer trying to hide bits of you from somebody else, then you get to deepen intimacy with them as well. So this sounds like something that you're very clear about in your bio around looking at guilt and shame.

And are they sort of the two most recurring factors that are stopping people from exploring that intimacy and being okay with who they are and celebrating who they are? Yeah, definitely. And again, particularly women who have been social, people who have been socialized as women in this world, you know, we come with so much guilt and shame just around being women and being sexual. And so there's so much that just like we breathe it in the air that we should be ashamed of our sexuality, of any of that.

Then you add on top of that any personal experiences that we've had, which, you know, loads of people have had various forms of negative sexual experiences, various forms of your, and I don't even just mean sexually here, but like you're too much or you're not enough or you're gonna be left alone, you know, you're gonna be abandoned. So we have all of these kind of core intimacy wounds that are affecting how we're showing up. So if we can start to identify those, bring them into the light.

Brene Brown is absolutely my favorite one on this. And she talks about how bringing guilt and shame, turning the light on it immediately starts to dissolve its power. So if we can just start to talk about these things, it immediately, yeah, pulls back its power on us.

And then we can go, oh, actually that thing that I was so terrified of, isn't maybe so scary after all, or maybe it is scary, but like not in the way I thought it was, or I'm not gonna let it control those decisions anymore. And I get to go, well, that was affecting how I showed up and I don't want it to anymore. I wanna do something different.

And so bringing up all of that stuff means we get to make intentional decisions with our life instead of letting it unconsciously run the show. Yeah, I think it's really interesting when we look at things like guilt and shame and we're looking at things that are put on us and we absorb from external influences. So whether it's culture, society, wherever it might come from.

And I was thinking while you were talking there about my own experiences of growing up and the mixed messages as well. So coming up through the 80s and 90s, their social position was changing. Some people were for it, some people were against it, mixed message.

Then we got into the 90s where there was still the stereotypical image of what a feminine woman looked like against the emergence of the LADEC culture. I don't know if you're familiar with that coming from the States. So there was this whole thing of women behaving like men or a stereotype of men as well.

So it wasn't even the vast majority of men. So going out and getting absolutely wasted, being really crude and crass. And it was like, oh God, am I supposed to behave like that now? And it was just so confusing.

And then all of these sort of mixed messages around what you were supposed to do as a woman sexually as well. And there's just all that confusion. And then one people trying to make, certain group of people trying to make you feel guilty about this way of being.

And then another group trying to make you feel guilty about the alternative. It's like, oh my God, this is just a bloody minefield. I mean, no wonder we're all messed up.

Yeah, you're damned if you don't. But I'm talking there a little bit about, growing up in different generations and different decades and how that can influence things. But of course we've got completely different cultures as well.

You grew up in the States. I grew up in the UK. There's gonna be differences there.

Here in Britain, we've got different cultures within the British culture. I mean, how is that appearing on your doorstep? Are you finding that people come and there are different themes or is it fairly similar across the different cultures and generations? Yeah, it's interesting because people do ask me that a lot or they'll hear that this isn't the work I do. And they go, oh, your clients must all be American.

Brits don't talk about this stuff. And I get that assumption so often and it's just not true. I think, yes, it shows up in slightly different ways.

But actually, broadly speaking, the experiences of women, when I grew up in States versus the British women in the same time period now are pretty similar. And there's slight differences in some ways. Like when I first came over here, page three, was it page three or page six? Yes.

I don't know. The topless women in the papers, I was absolutely shocked at. I was like, that doesn't happen in America or like topless beaches.

And I was like, God, I'm such a prude. It's like, put your tops back on. So in some ways, almost America, I felt like my socialization was more strict.

But then in other ways, people are like, oh, but British people don't talk about sex, whereas Americans at least talk about it. So it's a bit of a mixed bag. But overall, the themes are the same.

And actually, British people do want to talk about this stuff. Maybe not as loudly and openly, but they do want to come and talk about this and go actually, you know, in my marriage and my sex life, isn't what I want it to be. And it's causing problems to me and my husband.

And how do we deal with this? And they maybe don't want to shout about it on their social media that they're working with me about this, but they do actually want to discuss it and they do want to change it. So it's very much happening on both sides of the pond. Yeah.

I don't know if that's reassuring or not. I know. I often feel that way too.

And the more I talk to people, and the more I'm like, oh, so many of our marriages are like struggling in that department. Oh, yeah. This is common, but doesn't have to be normal.

So thank goodness you're there to help people. So if people are coming to you as a coach, what can they expect from sessions with Lindsey? Fun, hard, heavy stuff, but also a lot of giggling and laughing. And yeah, it's what you can expect is I absolutely am here for all of the stories and all of the experiences.

You know, nothing that you're going to say is going to shock me and go, I can't believe you said that to me. Like, you know, I'm here for all of it. You can spill out all the things and you'll get a warm and welcoming ear.

You'll have plenty of space to deal with this stuff. I do not ever put pressure on people. And if you're like, actually, there's this thing, but I'm not ready to talk about it yet.

Okay. You know, I'm going to gently nudge and go up. There's a thing you don't want to talk about.

It's probably the thing we should be talking about, but I'll give you till next week. You know, like I'm just going to keep nudging and going, that's probably where we should. But I want people to do all of this in their own time.

So it's gentle, but prodding as well. I'm not going to let you get away with just we're going to sit here and chat surface level because what a waste of time and money. So we are going to go in deep, but in a nice way.

And really, we just, yeah, we take it at your pace, but I want to get you results. I want to get you feeling better, noticeably better and going, oh, that was such a breath of fresh air. Why did I wait so long to do that? You know, that to me is the best reaction when somebody comes out of a session with me is like, oh, thank goodness.

I'm so glad I did that. So if we've got somebody who wants to say, thank goodness. I'm so glad I did that.

How do they find you? Lindsey Hall Coaches. So it's on my website. It's Lindseyhallcoaches.com, LinkedIn, Instagram, Facebook.

You can follow me on all of the places, but the way that we start any of us and on my website, you can see my coaching packages and prices, but it's just really kind of a guideline. Really, everybody will have different work. So it all starts with a free call with me, free 30 minutes where we get on and we talk about where you're at, where you want to go.

Does that align with what I can offer? And we come up with sort of a, here's my suggestion for a starting package together. Let's see if that aligns with both of us. And if it does, then let's go.

Fantastic. Well, it's been absolutely wonderful speaking to you, Lindsey. I've learned a lot and I hope people listening have.

And hopefully if there is anybody out there who is struggling with a divorce, co-parenting or intimacy, then hopefully you will make some new contacts and you are ready and willing to help them and help them have some fun in what is quite frankly, a really crappy time. It is. Yeah.

So let's make it a bit less crappy. That sounds wonderful. So thanks ever so much, Lindsey.

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