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Ep. 36 BTS at Coachella and Stagecoach With Kevin

Sunny Balopole, Vanessa Gutierrez, Clark Lawson Episode 36

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The lights and lineups get all the attention, but the real story of a world-class festival happens behind the scenes. We sit down with our friend Kevin Argueta, who has been in the Coachella and Stagecoach trenches as the payroll lead for the resources department — the crew behind cleanliness, sustainability, and nonstop operations that keep the experience seamless.

He shares what it’s like living in the Coachella Valley for weeks at a time, helping manage staff and making sure everyone gets paid! It’s an eye-opening look at how massive festivals support local communities while keeping the show running flawlessly.

If you love festivals, work them, or want to understand the machine behind the magic, this episode’s your backlot pass.

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Welcome Back And Guest Setup

Vanessa

Wh at do you call two best friends that love music festivals?

Sunny

Hmm. I guess you would call them Festies. Welcome back, Festies. This episode features our conversation with our friend Kevin. And if his voice sounds familiar, that's because he joined us back in September for episode 31, our Coachella 2026 lineup reaction episode. Vanessa's known Kevin since college, and through her, Clark and I have gotten to know him really well too. You may have heard me mention in other episodes that I had the opportunity to work at Coachella and Stagecoach back in 2019. And that opportunity was all thanks to Kevin. We wanted to have him back because aside from being our longtime festie, Kevin has worked behind the scenes in the resources department as a payroll manager for both Coachella and Stagecoach. We talked about what it's like living in the Coachella Valley for six weeks during the festivals. He gave us a glimpse into how massive events like that actually run. And we explored the community that forms around Coachella and Stagecoach. Plus, plenty of other fun details along the way. All right, let's make the jump into our conversation with Kevin.

Kevin

My very first year was 2017 And I wasn't sure what to expect going to Coachella. Like you kind of grow up and you're like, oh my god, it's Coachella, it's so cool. And then you know, you see Vanessa Hudgens and like

Vanessa

her flower crown.

Kevin

Yeah, her flower crown. You're like, okay, cool. And then you show up, but you're like, no, it's kind of like in the middle of the desert.

Vanessa

It is.

Kevin

With like half centimeter grass everywhere. So I didn't know what to expect. We were all camping, and then it just so happens that that year that I went, I was working with someone at Cal State Long Beach with Vanessa, and I was working at the bookstore, and my coworker, who was my friend at the time, she's like, Hey, I work Coachella, and we need someone to help us. And I was like, What does that mean? She's like, Well, you kind of have to move to you know the venue or near the venue for four to six weeks, and you know, you work Coachella and stage coach, and I was like, There's no way. And I graduated, and then I was working a part-time job around that time, and I asked my boss, I was like, Hey, there's this opportunity for me to go work Coachella. Can I leave work for six weeks? And my boss was like, 'Are you sure you want to do that?' I was like, I'm like, kind of, and then he's like, Well, you know what? Do it because it seems like a really cool opportunity, and you get to enjoy the festival for free, and I'm sure it's fun. I was like, Yeah, okay, cool. So I go to Coachella, and Sunny's worked this job once before.

Sunny

Yeah, I got a little taste.

Kevin

You have no idea what to expect because you just you go as a guest, I mean, like as a fan, and then you're behind the scenes and you're like, This is 10 times more massive than I thought that it was.

Departments And The Resources Team

Sunny

Yeah, it's a whole city around Coachella. The festival grounds where the music is is like small, yeah, comparatively.

Kevin

So the festival is like nine different departments. So you have the production department, you have the human resource department, you have different departments. So I worked for the resources department, and they're in charge of the cleanliness and sustainability of the festival, and they staff like 300 people, 24-hour operations, both weekends, and stage coach. And so I was in the admin team, so you kind of like manage all these people, and you're there too. So it's a your first year, you're just kind of like, Can I enjoy the show? Can I not? And then you also have like a production wristband. So then, like, when you get the job, your rite of passage is basically your shift is done at 7:30. Do as you like, but remember you're still an employee, right? So you're kind of like, okay, what I do. But I mean, after doing it so many years and like so many weekends back to back, you kind of figure it out, and then it was a lot of fun. And I'm now that I have like a career job, I a lot of the things that I learned at this job, I've been able to apply it, and it's been really cool. And it's like a little Easter egg in my resume.

Vanessa

Easter egg.

Kevin

Yeah,

Vanessa

I love that. I love that your first year you're kind of like tiptoeing because you're like, I have this production wristband that gives me so much power. How much can I use it?

Sunny

Yeah.

Vanessa

You know, like the first year, you're probably just like, okay, I'm just gonna do my shift.

Kevin

Wait, wait, wait,

Vanessa

go to my sets , GA. I'd be like,

Kevin

and then they give you a golf cart and you're like, hold on. And then I get to ride this behind the sets. It's really a little bit of a culture shock, but then you also realize how much responsibility you have because you can get in trouble for anything because, like Sunny said, it's like a little town, right? Where yeah, there's security and then there's like cross guards, and then there's everything. And so

Vanessa

they have their own laws that you have to follow.

Kevin

Yeah.

Sunny

I really want to hammer the point that Coachella and Stagecoach would not be possible without this department. The whole thing runs on the back of the resources department. So thank you for your service.

Kevin

Yeah, I mean, Sunny, you too, you did it for a year.

Sunny

One year.

Kevin

My friend Chantal is the one that now is

Vanessa

uh love her.

Kevin

The one that runs like department. And I don't know how she does it because I'm like, Do you even get to enjoy the show? And she's just like, Well, I'm here, aren't I? And she's been doing it for many years, and she does Formula One and she does like all these other massive festivals, and you're just like

Sunny

she freelancers, right?

Kevin

Yeah, she's a freelancer, and they hire her to run departments basically, and so she's like the bread and butter of that department, like management-wise.

Culture Shock And Responsibility

Vanessa

We'll have to have her on next.

Kevin

Yeah, that though that would be a gem. And it I would be surprised if you ever to catch her because she's always jet sitting.

Sunny

What did your day-to-day look like at Coachella and Stagecoach?

Kevin

Golden Voice was like, I guess, the entity that paid us, but I was working for Chantal and Brian Valdez, who's a director of the department. And so they basically have a house and we live there. The management team lives there, and we're supposed to be there for four to six weeks, a week before weekend one until a week after stagecoach. And so back then I used to have more flexibility with jobs. Like I was like working from home a lot of the time, so I can take my work there and kind of take the later shift at Coachella, or sometimes I would just kind of take time off to work the shows. My vacation time would be to go work, Coachella, and then I'm like, I'm fucking crazy. Why would why would I do this?

Vanessa

Do you think you could do that now?

Kevin

Absolutely not.

Vanessa

Yeah,

Kevin

so I was watching Coachella weekend one. I was just like, this year I'm not going, I'm not going. I needed to just chill, relax. And so I wasn't working it. And then I said, I'm not gonna go either. And I watched weekend one, and I was like, damn, that was really good, but not worth going. And then weekend two came around, and I was doing couch cella, and then the lady gaga set came on, and I can just imagine myself there.

Vanessa

Yeah,

Kevin

and I was like, fuck,

Vanessa

we did too. So that's that was literally us too. We called it floor chella because Ed and I were laying on the floor at Sunny's mom's house watching the Lady Gaga performance, and me and Sunny were both like, Are we busy next week? Yeah, and then Sunny ended up going, I know, but I could I couldn't go. So the same story, we were just mesmerized by Gaga.

Life In The Valley During Festival Weeks

Kevin

And Sunny, you know, like being there and seeing it is so different than watching it on TV because the crowds are so massive. So then I went Saturday and Sunday, weekend two, and just experiencing it from the other side, you're like, wow, there's so many people that go to this, like this is kind of intense, and so yeah, it's really cool. But the working there is an experience of its own because you don't realize that the festival itself employs like maybe five to nine thousand people, and a lot of them are from the communities. The Coachella Valley, it's primarily like Latino immigrant workers, and so the festival being there is for some of them their primary, their primary money, you know what I mean? And depending on where you work, you can get paid really well. Very hard work gets very well compensated. You just don't go just to walk around, you know. People that go there are really working, and so it's really endearing to see that the festival supports the community and doesn't really leave them out of an event that is supposed to be for the rich kids, you know what I mean? And I say rich kids because a ticket to Coachella is like 600, 700 bucks, you know what I mean? Yeah, just your ticket, and then you have to triple it right with food and accommodations, your other things that you need to enjoy festivals, and so it's expensive, and that's what draws me back to going. And even though the festival has a bad rap of it being like snooty and this, this, and that, at the end of the day, I'm like, it really supports this community, and so working it just kind of gives you a different perspective on it.

Vanessa

Well, that's good to know because I always hear the backlash and kind of the negativity around Coachella being in Coachella Valley and like the effects it has on that community. But it's good to get some actual information about how they support the community.

Kevin

And then back to what Sunny said about the resources department, it is also one of the largest departments of the festival, and it's in charge of the cleanliness, right? And you can only imagine having 200,000 people a night. Yeah, it's a lot of people, and so making sure that this trash and all these sustainability efforts they contain within the festival grounds, it's a big effort, and yeah, people love their job. Some of these people are walking around 12 hours making sure that the festival is clean in a 110 degrees, and you're like, wow, like this is crazy, but you know, it's

Vanessa

and that's work that like goes unseen and unnoticed. Yeah, right. Yeah, if it was gone, you would notice it in a heartbreak.

Kevin

Oh, 100%. Right. People would complain if you see two, three water bottles on the ground. But these people make sure that there's no trash, like no little wrapper, nothing. And so it's it's a well-thought out operation. And Brian Valdez, who's been doing this for almost, I want to say like 15 years, maybe more, and Chantal, who's been taking the lead too, is like the really the key to making sure that the festival runs well and that it's a global event too. So you need to make sure that you're doing a good job. You don't understand the your impact and your involvement until you kind of take a step back and you know, see, oh shoot, I was really part of that, you know. And I had a very small role, yeah.

Vanessa

So just having known you since our first days of college, and you know, we've seen each other through our terrible ups and downs.

Kevin

Yeah, our jack in a box binges as well.

Vanessa

Our jackets exactly, but no, but I'm so proud of you for going and working behind the scenes on one of the major festivals in the world, I would say.

Sunny

I know you said you play a small role, but I want to know a little more about what that role is. Like what did what did it look like?

Couchchella To Weekend Two Temptation

Kevin

I got hired to do payroll, so I was like the payroll lead for our department. It's about 250, 300 employees in the department, just knowing that that's how many people are working on a 24-hour operation is really intense. So these people are working, you know, 10, 12, up to 16 hours shifts. And my role was to make sure that they were following like just regular basic employment laws, taking their breaks on time, making sure that they are uh, you know, well equipped with the their timing equipment, right? Is it their cell phone or an iPad or whatever, wherever they can check in their hours and making sure that they're getting compensated for the time that they worked. And so uh it's a lot of hard work, but also too, you need to have a lot of interpersonal skills talking to people. A lot of people are Spanish speakers, like I mentioned, Coachella Valley has a lot of like Latinos, a lot of primarily people from Mexico, and so sometimes they're farm workers or sometimes they just have uh you know blue-collar jobs and they don't have the technology, so you have to be a little bit patient with them and teach them how to use the app and making sure that they're doing that just because you want to make sure that they get compensated for their time, and it's also legally binding not to pay them for stuff. And sometimes it's like imagine your tia and tio that don't know how to use an iPhone, and you're like, Did you forget to clock in? She's like, Yeah, and then they give you like a napkin with their times, and you're like, Oh, it's so cute, you know. But you're like, do it on your phone, like there's an app for that.

Vanessa

So there's a n app for that, yeah.

Kevin

And so you kind of have to just kind of help them with that. And I think, I mean, out of 300 people, 300 characters, and a lot of returners, and so it's like a big family reunion, like going back and seeing a familiar face and meeting new people, and

Vanessa

yeah, going back year after year, you mean? Yeah,

Kevin

yeah, and it's year after year, and just kind of like, oh, you're back, thanks for coming back. It's really fun, it's really it feels like home, and who knows if I have capacity in the future to do it. Like, I really miss that aspect of it because you kind of go more for your group of people than the actual show sometimes, right?

Sunny

Yeah, I can picture this so clearly in my mind at HQ, like in the trailer, you sitting at your table and people in line waiting to talk to you. I have such a like visual image in my mind of what you're explaining.

Kevin

You know, sometimes it's just so annoying because you're just kind of like, oh my god, there's so many people, but then you gain trust with them. Like, I know that you're working 12-hour shifts, I know that you're on your feet, but please just clock in and out. You know, it's like, you know, I'm like, I really want to go see Travis Scott. I don't want to go see Travis Scott. I don't know. I really want to go see Anima. I think I missed Anima like two years ago, and I'm like, uh, but at the end of the day, I'm like, it's okay. Like it fulfills me that I'm contributing to you know a greater cause outside of the festival, and I'm I'm here. What the fuck? Like, I get a golf cart, I could go wherever I want, you know what I mean? So it's definitely like a privilege role to kind of have it and do it. So it's an experience for sure.

Vanessa

That's awesome. How many acts a day were you able to see while you were working?

Community Impact And Local Employment

Kevin

For example, on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays, I'd work a 12-hour shift. So I'd start my day at 7 a.m. and I would take a break. Uh like

Sunny

good shift to have

Kevin

every what four hours.

Vanessa

Okay. For how long?

Kevin

Every four hours. So my break would be like 20 to 30 minutes. And so our headquarters or like our trailer, like Sunny said, was right behind Sahara Tent. So that was like an easy one. So it's just like Peggy Gou would play or Fisher or whoever, like you just walk over there and take your lunch break there. But sometimes you have to like strategize if you want to go see. I don't know. I remember Cardi B was doing main stage at 4 p.m. And I was like, I really don't want to go see Cardi B, but I feel like it's her first year, and you kind of have to, you know, you just you you play that game where you're just like, okay, it's our first year, I have to go see it. So you go, or like vampire weekends there, you can like you bargain, right? Hey Sunny, vampire weekend's gonna play at six. Can you cover my shift?

Sunny

Yeah,

Kevin

you know what I mean? So you kind of have to like you have to negotiate, so you have to be really friendly with everybody, and uh

Vanessa

do you remember like 2018-2019? You would find times where you were, I guess, on your breaks and you would like come hang out with us for like five, 10 minutes, and you're like, Okay, I gotta go.

Sunny

Yeah,

Kevin

yeah. No, and then we actually saw Beyonce weekend one together.

Vanessa

Yes, we did.

Kevin

Yeah,

Vanessa

can you think of one thing that kind of blew your mind about festivals? Like once you entered that side of the festival world.

Kevin

My very first year working, it was uh Beychella, so whatever Beyonce performed. I think that was 2018.

Vanessa

Yeah,

Kevin

and she had her own campsite in the back, and it was like 20 to 30 trailers for her dancers and her production team. Yeah, and then I realized I was just like, whoa, like some of these performers, artists are so invested in what they do, and they have huge productions, and this is like their moment, right? Yeah, and then you just kind of realize like, no matter where you are on that lineup, you perform there. And to me, that was so cool. Like, I can only imagine what that feeling is.

Vanessa

Y eah,

Kevin

that kind of blew my mind, where it's just like, dude, I'd be a backup dancer for like I don't know, peaches. I don't like somebody like like just

Sunny

it's not too late,

Kevin

just to be like on stage and just to kind of

Vanessa

just to be on that side of it,

Kevin

just to be on that side of it because the energy that people have there is so different. It's just like coachella and it changed me, but it kind of really does, you know.

Vanessa

It kind of really does, yeah. I know I've always said that feeling of being on stage and having that many people like singing along to your music, that has to be like the best feeling in the world. I wish that I could experience that.

Kevin

It really is a world stage for these artists, and so it's kind of cool to just pick up their trash. So I didn't pick it up, you know. I h I I was part of the team that did so, but it's kind of like, whoa, that's crazy.

Sunny

And drive around the employees.

Kevin

Yeah, drive around the employees.

Vanessa

Sunny, what did you do when you worked that one year?

Sunny

I was a van driver.

Vanessa

Oh, okay.

Sunny

Which was awesome because they were like really fancy vans. So yeah, I just would pick up the employees that would arrive to the festival and then drive them to whatever post that they were going to.

Vanessa

Oh, okay.

Sunny

I felt like the first weekend was like a shit show, but then I remember the next weekend at the end of it, Alexis, who was my boss, I remember every task she asked me, I like got it, and I was like, yes, finally, I got this. And then I got sick.

Vanessa

Oh no.

Sunny

But it was so silly because they give you this map, right? And it's like a really long vertical map. And I was looking at it horizontal, and then it took just one person to be like, No, you should turn the map this way. And then this is like the this this is the middle road, and this side is the festival, and this side is the camping. And I was like, I never got lost after that.

Vanessa

We didn't even talk about like some of the festivals that you've been to. So you went to Escape, and you and I went to Hard Day of the Dead in 2015. Do you remember that? That was the last one.

Kevin

That was the very last one, dude.

Vanessa

It was on Halloween weekend, and Kevin dressed up as Skrillex.

Sunny

Hell yeah.

Vanessa

Oh, so fun.

Sunny

Do we have a picture somewhere?

Vanessa

I don't

Kevin

t hink somewhere on my Instagram. Maybe maybe Oh, Drake liked that costume, remember? Because it was me and then one of my friends dressed up as Drake, but to call me on my cell phone, Drake, and he looked very similar, and I look very similar to Skrillix, and Drake liked the picture.

Vanessa

Oh my god, that's so funny.

Kevin

But I remember we're like walking through the crowd, and everyone's really messed up, and then people are just kind of like doing double takes. It's like I'm not taking Skrillix. He was headlining that year, yeah, and then he brought out Diplo and they did Jack Hugh.

Sunny

 Have you ever been to EDC Kevin?

Vanessa

Yes 

Kevin

I've been twice. 2015 and 2021 2

Vanessa

I like how I answered that for him.

Sunny

he can answer for himself.

Vanessa

I know he has.

Kevin

No, you've been to EDC too, and you you know that it's a complete different monster because it's like yeah, six to six. Yeah, there's no chill vibe there.

Vanessa

I feel like it is chill if you stay till sunrise. I remember it being like, oh, it's sunrise, and we're all just kind of like swaying back and forth to something like chill.

Kevin

2021 or 22, I forget. It was like the first EDC right after the pandemic. So we flew in at 8 p.m. We're at the festival at 9, and then we leave sunrise the next day, and then Sunday, we're like, let's do the same, but let's come back around 4 a.m. Right. So we get there around 10. Factory 93, which is a techno stage, was so good. We missed our shuttle. We stayed there till 7 a.m. Like so much for like a quick in-it-out, but

Vanessa

let's just pop in.

Kevin

You can't just pop in to EDC, bitch. Like you got you're there for all 12 hours.

Sunny

Do you have a favorite festival?

Kevin

I think I'm a closeted San Francisco.

Sunny

Yeah,

Vanessa

I knew it!

Kevin

And so I always say outside lands is one of my favorite festivals.

Vanessa

We didn't even talk about that yet.

Kevin

We didn't even talk about that.

Vanessa

You came was it 2021 when it was on Halloween?

Kevin

Yes, yeah, yes.

Vanessa

So Kevin came to Outside Lands with our whole crew, and everyone loved you. Every time we go, people ask about you where you like are you if you're coming this year? Yeah.

Kevin

I think the first time I went was 2019 or 2018, Vanessa. You invited me.

Vanessa

Oh, so it wasn't Halloween.

Kevin

No, that was the second time.

Vanessa

Oh, you did go to okay, okay. Yeah, yeah. 2019 was when I made the vlog.

Kevin

Yeah. So I think Elton John or Janet Jackson had headlined the year before, and I was like, dude, this outside lands lineup is really crazy every year. So I'm like, I really want to go. Vanessa's like, oh, you really gonna like it? You should come with my friends and I. And I had no idea that Vanessa has a whole army of festie besties in San Francisco.

Sunny

Hell yeah.

Breaks, Sets, And Shift Negotiations

Kevin

And these people literally go to every festival in San Francisco and every show. So they're like seasoned festival people, but then me in LA, opposite, right? But I was like, okay, let me try it out. I had a blast, yeah, all good vibes all weekend, and then experiencing like a new venue. The venue's really important, the vibes are really important, the fashion's really important too. And I remember Apple was had an activation there, and I had got like this Mexican blanket, and I was like, I don't want to carry that. And Vanessa's like, no, you're gonna need it because it's gonna get fucking cold later.

Sunny

Oh, yeah,

Kevin

and so it got fucking cold, and so I think I spent like $300 on food one day. I just kept going to the

Vanessa

it's so good, right?

Kevin

It's like outside lands, and then there's food lands, and then there's weed lands, and then there's wine like

Vanessa

all the lands,

Sunny

so many lands,

Kevin

the whole so many lands, and it was a blast.

Vanessa

You need to come back to outside lands with us. I know I'm for sure going in 2027.

Kevin

The goal was to go this year, but it's just been so crazy and just like recovering from festivals and then working, and you're just kinda likest k

Vanessa

This is 30, man.

Kevin

Like, I think, dude, it's it's a little intense. I'm not complaining, but also too, it's just like I'm drinking like an electrolyte once a week. Just not even because I went out, just because I need to hydrate.

Sunny

Well, I really felt for you though, when we were watching Vampire Weekend in the morning, I was like, Kevin should be here and not me.

Vanessa

I gave you a shout-out on our Outside Lands recap episode when they were talking about Vampire Weekend. I was like, Kevin, this was not a good year for you to miss outside Lands.

Kevin

I know that's the only reason why I went to that Halloween one right after the pandemic because it was a reschedule, and it was so much fun. Coachella last year, they had a surprise set, like a 30-minute set. Because of them, I went into a rabbit hole of that Grateful Dead Cult their music and all that because it's like jam music. So I'm like, oh cool, this sounds like Vampire Weekend, kind of inspired by that.

Sunny

That's exactly what we were saying.

Kevin

Yeah, it's like jammy, cool vibe. So I like it, but outside lands is amazing, and I definitely want to go back.

Vanessa

One of these years, you'll have to go to Bonnaroo with us so you can experience that monster of a festival.

Sunny

Yeah, you think Coachella's big.

Vanessa

If you think yeah, if you think Coachella's big, Jesus Christ.

Kevin

But there's always a hurricane.

Vanessa

Yeah, yeah, I know, right?

Kevin

I think I texted you that year that there was a hurricane. You're like, oh yeah, we're going to Nashville.

Vanessa

Yeah.

Sunny

Yeah, you texted us and asked if we were okay.

Kevin

Yeah, I'm like on Twitter, just like a deadly storm. I was like,

Sunny

are they dead?

Kevin

My friends are driving there.

Sunny

Oh yeah, that was so sweet that you asked if we were okay.

Kevin

Yeah, I mean, I have to see what my festie besties are doing. I wish that I had like uh some sort of checklist or like a kit before you start going to festivals, you know, but then you kind of learn and you you're like, oh my god, am I rave dad now? You know, like like people are asking me for a gum and like a lighter or like whatever, a water.

Sunny

Well, we haven't promoted it yet, but we do have a digital toolkit. Festies does. I'll share it with you, and you can be our first you can be our uh guinea pig with it.

Vanessa

If you like it, if we'll post it so that everyone can use it.

Kevin

For sure.

Vanessa

Well, awesome. You answered every question we had without us even asking it. No, we are not done.

Beachella Scale And Artist Operations

Sunny

We have one last thing to get to, one last segment. It's called our Festies Festival lineups. And so with all of our guests, we've been doing this, we're making a pretend Festies festival, and so we ask everybody to contribute artists to it. And we have one lineup that's for living artists, and then one lineup that's for uh legends who have passed on. So who do you got?

Kevin

Obviously, the living has to be because it's somehow Coachella related, uh Daft Punk.

Vanessa

Yes, I thought you were gonna say that.

Kevin

And then passing, I think Michael Jackson would be amazing, like a dangerous tour type of vibe, you know what I mean? Yeah, like the outfits would be really cool.

Vanessa

That would be legendary.

Kevin

If Michael Jackson says he can't do it, then Prince, obviously. Oh, but I feel like Prince would be like Frank. But I think I think Prince would Prince would do like uh Frank Ocean and be like, you know what? Like, I'm not gonna perform, I'm just gonna stand there.

Sunny

We actually already have Prince on the lineup, so

Vanessa

oh we do. That's right. So Michael Jackson said yes.

Kevin

Okay, Michael Jackson said yes.

Sunny

They can battle it out on who's headlining Kevin, thank you so much for being on Festies. It's really exciting to have you on here.

Vanessa

So much fun.

Kevin

I did have a lot of fun. I missed you guys.

Vanessa

Yeah, we missed you too.

Kevin

It's funny because we only meet up at festivals now, literally.

Vanessa

So come visit. The last time I saw Kevin, uh, Ed and I were down there for Cali Vibes, and he we stayed at his house.

Kevin

Oh, you stayed at my apartment.

Sunny

Oh, I didn't even know that.

Vanessa

Stayed at his apartment, yeah. Yeah, okay. I'm gonna close this out. Otherwise, we'll talk forever. Yes. Thank you so much, Kevin.

Kevin

Of course.

Vanessa

Thank you so much for listening, Festies. Please follow us on Instagram, TikTok, and YouTube at Festies Podcast and give us a five-star rating and review wherever you listen to your podcasts. And we hope you enjoyed this episode with our good friend Kevin, and we'll catch you on the next one. Bye.

Sunny

Bye.

Kevin

Bye.