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87. Leaning Into the Woo: Energy, Astrology & Trusting Yourself with Emma Jackson

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There's likely a version of spirituality that feels intimidating, overwhelming, or maybe not for you, but I think this conversation might change that. In today's episode, I'm sitting down with Emma Jackson, spiritual practitioner, Reiki master, and psychic medium, who has a beautiful way of making spirituality feel deeply human and practical. We get into elemental astrology, what your moon sign says about what you actually need to feel safe, how to use tools like journaling, tarot, and human design as mirrors for your own inner knowing, and why the thing you're most afraid to hear is usually the most important thing to sit with.

  • What elemental astrology actually is and why breaking your chart down by fire, water, earth, and air is one of the most accessible ways to understand how you're naturally wired
  • Your moon sign and what it reveals about your emotional needs, what makes you feel safe, and why honoring it might be the missing piece in how you structure your life and business
  • Why we fear what we don't know, how that fear shapes the energy we bring into spiritual work, and how to release expectations so you can actually receive what comes through
  • The balance between free will and surrender and why co-creation with something bigger than you isn't a spiritual concept, it's just how life works

Your homework: Pull up your birth chart (astro.com is a great free resource), identify your moon sign, and look up its element. Then ask yourself, how much am I actually giving myself what this placement needs? 

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SPEAKER_02

Hello and welcome back to Inspired by Design. Today's guest is Emma Jackson, and Emma Jackson is an energy healer, a psychic medium, and a spiritual teacher who helps people understand their energy and reconnect to their intuition. She believes that everything is energy, and when we learn how to work with it instead of against it, life begins to feel more aligned and expansive. She is also the host of the Bridge Between podcast where conversations are shared about intuition, energy, and trusting the unseen. I was so excited to have Emma on because Emma was actually a guest expander in a program that I'm in called Body Language. And if you're unfamiliar with body language, please tune in to the episode that I had recently with Becca Nichols, all about body language. Becca Nichols is my longest working mentor. I've been working with her for a few years and she's just the best. And I love everything that she does in her world. And I recently had her on to talk specifically about her program Body Language because it's truly transformed my life and so many people. And we chatted a bit in the episode about how she's brought on some guest expanders to come and chat about different things for the girls that are in the group. And Emma was one of them. Emma is a member of Body Language, but she also came on as a guest expander and she talked all about elemental astrology. And I just loved Emma. She is such a bright light and such a warm energy and warm presence. And she is the sweetest human ever. And she just has such a natural talent for breaking topics up in such a digestible and easy to understand way. And astrology can be really overwhelming. And I know a decent amount about astrology, and I know probably just like the most basic form of all the things. And I can get pretty overwhelmed. And I thought that she did a really great job talking about it. So I was super excited to learn more about her. And I had to have her on the podcast as a guest to kind of elaborate more on this and to talk more about energy and spiritual tools. And yeah, we talked a lot about how everything is energy and how you can use and work with your energy to move through life and business with more ease. We talked about spiritual and psychic abilities and how you can use them in your everyday life outside of the spiritual space. We talked about some misconceptions with spirituality and just certain ideas that people may have about human design and astrology specifically. And we talk about elemental astrology and how you can use the elements in your chart to live your life with a little bit more ease. And we share some personal examples there. And it was just a really fun and enlightening conversation. And I'm super excited to have you listen to another conversation about some other ways that you can add a little bit more ease into your life and business. And without any more introduction, welcome to the podcast, Emma. I'm so excited to chat with you today.

SPEAKER_00

So excited to be here.

SPEAKER_02

So first things first, I'd love for you to introduce yourself to the audience and kind of tell them about your work and your world.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I hold a lot of space for women who are in transitions. Whether that's identity or transitioning from being into a business owner or out of it into motherhood, all the different transitions. So it's always lovely to kind of hold space for women as I've been many identities of myself. So it's a beautiful space to be. I am a psychic medium and I do a lot of readings like human design and astrology. So have a lot underneath my belt. I'm kind of a woman of many different transitions.

SPEAKER_02

I love that. And I love that you help women specifically in transitions. I didn't know that that was like um, oh, I guess you're niche, we could say. Um, but that is really cool and really important because I feel like that is a place that you need to be held and taken care of because that can be such like a chaotic or unclear kind of time of life. How did you fall into that specifically?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I noticed uh a lot of my clients were going through that either prior to wanting to work with me or also a lot of the times happening while they're working with me. Um, and one thing that I think that is always promised in life is change, especially when you're working on yourself and whether that's you know, healing or growth, or whether you're actually quite literally shifting your identity from who you thought you were to who you are or who you're wanting to become. I just think that whether we like it or not, it's something that's so inevitable in life. And I just noticed how important it was to have a healthy connection with it and to notice it as like proof that you know stuff is actually shifting in your external world because of your internal world. But I noticed how many women were just like terrified of it or they made it seem as though, you know, things are falling apart that must mean that I'm doing something wrong. So, and I myself I have gone through that more times than I can count. And I think that, you know, it's always amazing to embody everything that you're teaching. And I've definitely done that in that area.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, and I think it's so important too to kind of have that of your own experience. And obviously, everyone goes through change and transition, so that is like a natural part of life, but having big transitions or like really changing and having to reflect on like a past identity or past version of yourself and all of those things, it's important to have that experience to then guide someone else kind of through the same thing, and especially if you've come out the other side, a different, happier, more joyful version of yourself. Um, something that you talk about a lot, and something that I really love that you talk about is the idea that everything is energy. And I feel like I say that a lot, especially when it comes to branding, because I feel like like brand design and your website design, like everything is energy and your brand itself is energy. And like what you're putting out there is like how people are going to energetically take in your brand, your your persona, you have like a presence online and all the things. So, how do you think we can better understand how everything is energy and like how we can work with our specific energy when it comes to moving through life and business with more ease?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, great question. Um, I think the first thing is just accepting that everything's energy. I know, like we say it, but I think it's it's different, like actually, you know, accepting it. Um, because yeah, you're right, like a a brand has energy because a brand has like this existence to it. Um, just as you walk into a room, the room has energy. So it's interesting when you kind of approach that in life. And I know that people are starting to move into this with like the law of attraction and starting to notice how important it is for the vibration that you're at to your reality to reflect that. But if you shift to a different universal law, it's like the law of vibration itself, which is just saying that everything in life vibrates because everything is energy and energy is always constant, right? So I think it was just so important to lean into that and specifically being a Reiki master, like that was something that's been so potent in my life and that I started working with energy so deeply. So anytime that I would create a new program for my business, it was like channeling the energy of it and actually like communicating to my business and leaning into it in that way. So I think when you can allow yourself to really separate it from something that's outside of you, but also connected to you in a way, just like you would connect with a friend or connect to a loved one. I think that starting to connect to your business itself and the creation that you're creating and your brand and just really as whatever way that looks like for you, understanding that it has its own consciousness is and was life-changing for me and for a lot of my clients.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. How do you how do you do that like in in practice?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, it can look so different for everyone. Um, a lot of people can just sit there and just kind of like meditate on it if they want to. I have like guided meditations I'll give my clients or you can kind of connect to the energy of it. A lot of people can just kind of like free write. So writing down if you like want to ask a question and see what comes up. Um, I think more times than not, people don't realize when they're journaling, they're probably like connecting to their higher self in a way. So if you were to just pretend that like you're sitting down with your business and you're having a conversation or pretend that you're like having a podcast episode and quite literally interviewing your business, I think that people can like get out of their own way and just really trust what comes up. Um, and then obviously that goes into the energy like strengthening your gifts and your different clears with that. But there's so many different ways to do it. If anyone's into like tarot or oracle, you can use those cards or like a pendulum, it's whether it's the actual physical pendulum or your body itself. It's just recognizing that it's something outside of you. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I love that. I feel like I find a lot of clarity through journaling and through speaking. I feel like I talk about things a lot and I usually work through things by talking about them. And I feel like I'll talk about them over and over and over. And it's like just my way of kind of processing and like coming through with that. And same with journaling. I feel like sometimes I just start writing and then I'm just like, I don't even know who's writing, like it's just like coming out of me, which I feel like is really cool, and so I think that that's a cool way to kind of check in with yourself and your business.

SPEAKER_00

Um scripting, just like slow, and just just trusting what comes out. I think that's so important to lean into that.

SPEAKER_02

Now, how do you kind of differentiate? Cause I know you mentioned like trusting there, and I feel like self-trust is such a huge thing, and I know you've talked about that a lot in some of your podcast episodes, but like how do you actually help people like lean into self-trust and separating kind of like the limiting beliefs and stories that you have that aren't yours and just like the fears and things, and like what is actually like your highest self?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I think so many of us have to go through so much deconditioning. It's just kind of unfortunately, you know, how it is for a lot of us, some more than others, but everyone for sure. Um, and so for a lot of my clients, I'm always kind of just being a mirror for them and really allowing them and giving them permission to be honest. Like, is that really like what you think you should do? Is that really like how you feel? Is that really what you believe? And it's challenging, right? Because you're in some way questioning your entire belief system. And sometimes it can be like the tip of it, and other times you're touching on the root of it. So I think again and again, it's like you should question everything. You should even question like what you're thinking and what someone else is telling you. And at the end of the day, again, if it feels good in your body, if you're if you can't stop thinking about it, if you are, I've already said yes to something, but you're like not excited or you're like moving in hot, like our body is speaking to us so often than not. Um, and you can tell kind of like if you're scared to do something, but you just have this like pull towards it, right? Or if you are about to do something and you're just like, I don't want to do this, but I'm feeling forced. Like, I think that a lot of us know more than we're giving ourselves credit for. And so I think it's just giving you permission to like have that safe person or safe space to really validate that for you. It's okay it should be like, I need validation. Like I think we all do. Tell me I'm not crazy.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, definitely. And I do feel like too with the intuitive pings and things, like sometimes it is hard to like, especially in the beginning when you're unfamiliar with listening to your intuition and trusting yourself, and it helps to have someone else like reaffirm that belief. And I also think it's helpful to just like have people outside of you that aren't associated, I guess, with like your immediate family and your past like stories. Because obviously we take in a lot through our childhood, and it's very easy to like bounce ideas off of a sibling, but they are having like most of this, they have most of the same like conditioning that you have. Whereas like an external source, like a friend or a partner or a mentor to kind of like tell these things to that are removed from your everyday family dynamic and then affirm or like you know, validate your I'm feeling crazy right now.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and that too, right? Like we're all projecting on each other all the time. Like it's just we're just living in a world of protection. So I think that's too. It's like it's so important to be so discerning. Like when you're venting to a friend, like I hope that the friend is just completely just blank and you know, letting you say what you want to say and not trying to influence you one way or another, but that doesn't mean that they're a bad person if they're not, like they're human. And so I think discernment at the end of the day is so important. Um, some people, like you said, like yourself, like I need to be able to talk it out. I need to be able to just like get it out. And for some people, it's not about what the other person says for the advice. Sometimes it's just like I just needed to like hear myself say that out loud, right? Like I really just needed to get it off my chest. It was going stir crazy in my mind. And now that I'm saying this out loud, I actually am feeling, you know what I mean? And for other people, if you like know anything about human design, whatever your authority is, it very much so tells you like the best way for you to make decisions. And so for some people, it's very much like I just immediately feel it in my gut. And for other people, it's like I need to wait a couple of days and see how I feel, right? So a bunch of different ways to lean into it. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, mine's emotional, so I have to ride waves of my emotions before I make a decision, which was so helpful to learn, honestly, because I think that's why I like to talk through things so much because I talk through them when I'm excited, I talk through them when I'm scared, I talk through them when I'm grounded, and then I can kind of like build a consensus from there. And I really love what you said about having like a person who hopefully doesn't sway you one way or another, because I think it's like so helpful to just have someone to talk to who like isn't necessarily convincing you of a specific thing, but more so just like asking you questions and like kind of provoking the thoughts to come from you because that is a way that you can like tap into your own intuition and knowing with the guidance of another human.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, curiosity is the best way. Like, question everything, get curious. Like, even if you think you've made up your mind, like question it and you'll notice if you're really standing strong on it or if you're like leaning one way or another.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I read in a book recently that like one of the largest like symbols of intelligence is adaptability and willingness to change your mind and like being curious and asking those questions. And I know something that Becca actually says a lot is that like if you're not looking back at a previous version of yourself and like cringing, then you're not necessarily growing. And so I know sometimes it's weird because we're like looking back, we're like, oh, I don't want to like it's weird to change so much and look back at a version of yourself and feel a certain way, but it's such a beautiful thing, and it's really nice to like, yeah, be curious, ask the questions, change your mind, like evolve and grow because we are ever evolving, ever changing, and the world is changing every five seconds. So it's like we need to have that adaptability and curiosity.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for sure. And again, and that's where you can get really stuck quite literally in life is just not being able to fall into that energy because I think, and also like that's a trouble area. If you are feeling comfortable, like again, nobody likes to leave their comfort zone, but it has to be this like muscle that you strengthen. Um, and you almost have to retrain your body, your consciousness that, like, wait, it's okay to feel a little scared. It doesn't always mean that, you know, I shouldn't do this or I shouldn't do that. And I think it's such a beautiful thing to break through in life when you start relying on other parts of your body opposed to just the part that feels scared, um, to really allow yourself to like flirt a little with the edge, right? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I love that. Now I know you talk a lot, or I know you are a very spiritual girly. And so you have like your own psychic abilities and your own things that you practice, but I know you talk about how we can experience these things in our everyday life outside of the spiritual space. What do you mean by that? And how can someone start tapping into those abilities?

SPEAKER_00

Oh, I love this question. Um, what do I mean by that? I mean that everything is spiritual and nothing is spiritual, right? I think that we're a soul having a human experience and whatever end of the spectrum you're living on, whether you're just like full, I'm a soul or full, I'm a human or anywhere in between, I think that, you know, I'm I'm down for all of it. And no matter where you lean on in whatever time of your life, I think it's so important to be grounded in both, right? Um, and so what it means for me to be a human and have that experience, but also, you know, be spiritual and be a soul is to understand like the basics, which is that everything is connected and everything is energy, and that I also am like in complete control of my life, but I also have no control of anything, right? So I think it's like trying to find the balance between the extremes of everything and just like meeting yourself in the middle. I think going off of you know what you do for work and everyone that might be listening, associated with that, even just you know, your brand and a business. I think that it can be the most grounded practical approach, but also like, can you have fun and bring in the most ungrounded spiritual woo-woo approach? Like, can you bring out some cards and see what comes up? And can you go out in nature and see what inspires you? And you could also sit at your desk and write right. I just think I don't want people to think you have to be one way or the other. I notice that having that balance between the two, the feminine, the masculine, whatever way that that transpires is kind of the sweet spot in life. Try not to be too far, right or left.

SPEAKER_02

Oh, I like that. You mentioned that we have like complete control, but we're also in control of nothing. And I think that that's like a very interesting statement. And it's so true. Like it's so weird because obviously, whatever whatever you believe in, whether that's God, source, universe, like you believe in a higher power or whatever it is, you're believing that something else has impact on your everyday life. So, in that actual in that statement, you don't have complete control. But at the end of the day, like we we do have free will and you can make your own decisions. So it's interesting, like learning how to develop those skills and use them together where you are like divinely guided, but also like you are in control and like you are the driver in your life. Where have you found in your life you've gotten like most ease from learning about that?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think it's so powerful to know that you have free will, which is the most incredible thing you can have, which we have as humans. And that's a gift to be able to be anyone you want and do anything you want at any moment in time. And I also think it's so powerful to know that there is something, like you said, source, God, universe, higher self, whatever that is for you. I think that if you can't go through this life and think there's not something more powerful than you, because then you don't believe that you're not in control of anything and something else has it. So I think it's also understanding like, wow, I have so much free will, but at the same time, something someone out there has my back. Like they know more than I do. And really trusting that because I also think how much pressure is that to feel? Like, wow, wait, I have to control my whole entire life and decide everything. Like, that's a lot. So I think it's also so important to like feel that power and like don't take that for granted. Like, know how important it is that you get to make your own decisions and let yourself be the driver of your life, but also like let loose and have fun and know that if you're paying attention, you'll know real soon, like, ooh, maybe that wasn't like the most aligned decision for me and I can learn from that. Or yep, okay, I thought I wanted to do this, but it's not really working. So maybe that's not for my best and highest good, right? And I think that having that combination between the two is so important because if you don't, then you're beating yourself up and you're like, I should have known better. Why did I do this? Why did I do that? Versus vice the other part where if you're just like hands up in the air, you know, God's source has me. I don't need to do anything. Like life will show me the way. It's not how it works, it's co-creation. So yeah, it's important to have both.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that's so true. There really is like I feel like in any aspect of life, it's good to kind of not, I guess, be neutral or in the middle about everything, but like being so far in one direction typically has like more cons than pros in either direction, no matter what it is in life. I feel like there's so many instances where it's kind of just like you know, come back to the middle ground and have both. Because, like you said, like being in complete control or thinking that you have no control is not gonna get you anywhere. But thinking that you have to do everything yourself is also probably not gonna get you anywhere because you get kind of stuck in that decision fatigue and like the overwhelming knowing of like, oh my god, this is like all up to me. But how can we use spiritual tools as mirrors to better understand our energy and how we're meant to operate?

SPEAKER_00

No matter what the tool is, whether you know, very spiritual, talk and tarot, oracle, pendulum, or more grounded, like a journal, or just being in nature, because that's a tool as well, or just being around your friends. I think that it's really interesting when you pay attention, how everything that you come across is either reaffirming you of what you already knew, shining light on something that you didn't quite understand, or just really, again, being that mirror. I think it goes back to what I said earlier around how does it feel in your body. When people usually read tarot cards, unless they're really going by the book, um, it's more than not, more often than not, very much like this is what it's making me feel, this is what I am seeing, this is what I'm hearing. And I think that we just need permission to have something that's a bridge between us and something higher than us. So, whatever that tool is for you, I think you have to be so aware that you are using a channel to connect to something that is higher than you and being so open, like releasing all expectations of what you think is going to come through, and just noticing like maybe it's not so much about the words, maybe it's about how I'm feeling or the opposite, right? Um, it truly this answer is very multi-layered because the whole entire experience of going about that is so different for everyone.

SPEAKER_02

How can you kind of go about releasing expectations? Because I know that's something that like I really struggle with when it comes to any sort of spirituality or like energy work or things like that. I feel like I have this expectation of what is gonna happen or this like fear around whatever it is, and I don't understand why that is, but I'm curious because I know anyone who's probably not super involved in the work or is curious about the work, there's probably a lot of fear coming up.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, so normal, Alicia. Um, I think that's I just talked about this in a podcast episode. I think that there is we don't know what we don't know. Um, and for a lot of the spiritual tools or just spiritual world, um, maybe all that you've heard might be, you know, for terror, for example, people are terrified of getting the death card or they're terrified, right? Um, but for me, I actually love getting the death card because I'm like, yay, like something that's no longer aligned in my life is dying in a way and it's making space for something new. So I feel like there is these perceptions that come into it where it's just like the thing that you fear the most is such a mirror for the resistance you have within you and just doing something to be able to like shift that mindset. Um, when people come into like sessions with me and they're really scared of like, I really want to ask about this, but I'm scared of what I'm gonna hear. I feel like that in itself is such an answer for you to sit with of like, what are you so scared to hear? Um, and really coming back to like even if I told this to you, like you'll be okay. And I think that there's so much truth that goes into that. So yeah, it's an interesting process to to fear what we don't know.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, very it's very, it's very weird. And I mean it makes sense. Like obviously we fear the unknown, and like we I think we fear more like the outcome of what that unknown is then going to do. But again, I think sometimes we jump to conclusions within that. And so, like, if you get the death card, it doesn't necessarily mean that something so important to you is gonna go away or like that it's going to be this specific thing. It could just mean that like again, something is dying in a specific small area of your life that's gonna make room for something new. And so I think that it is like it really can happen in like so many different ways. But I think sometimes like anxiety or like you know, that fear of the unknown can make it and blow it up to be more than it actually is. But I think that using spiritual tools is just such a cool way to kind of understand so many different things and also to kind of think about the things that do come up for you when you're about to embark on those things and kind of like going deeper into those.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, for sure. And like I said, like you don't know what you don't know. And I think sometimes too is people are so hesitant on whether it's like picking up an actual tarot deck for yourself or booking a session to a psychic medium. I think that a lot of us, and I'm guilty as well, we don't want to admit that I actually like I might think this way, and it might not, it might be a misconception, something that's not really true, or you know, so-and-so had this experience. So, does that mean that I'm going to? Like, I we want to make sense of something, and I think we're so used as humans to like preparing, right? Like we want to prepare ourselves for potential worst-case scenario, and so then you go in with that energy, and it's like you're already kind of like it's in your consciousness, you're manifesting it, like it's really interesting. Um, but it's also because it's the unknown, right? Like we we're just we want to be in so much control, so I think that goes hand in hand too with the releasing expectations that you were talking about. And one of the hardest things that you know we also learn is surrendering. It's it's so challenging. So I think they all go kind of hand in hand to be mirrors for you there.

SPEAKER_02

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SPEAKER_00

Yeah. I mean, I think we all know what astrology is, even if you just know what your sun sign is. Um, a lot of people are feeling more and more called to this tool, myself included. Um, I discovered it around five years ago, and it was just that rabbit hole that I just kept going deeper and deeper into. Um, and I think any astrologer will attest that, you know, it takes a lot of years in practice to be considered an expert because there's just so many different parts of astrology. And so the reason I bring that up is because it is so overwhelming and it is so intense to understand. And I see a lot of people that are so intrigued by it kind of pull away because it's almost this like, I don't know what the heck. This is too much for me to understand and lean into. And also I find that people, people that lean into astrology, they think I need to understand what all the different signs mean, or I need to understand this before I can lean into that. So I got asked to um come as a guest speaker on Becca's um body language, which is where you know we connected and I talked about astrology in the elemental way because I was talking to like my higher self and I was like, how do I go about this? Because as I'm tuning into this group, I have people who are, you know, dipping their toes. I have people that have no clue what this is, and I have some people that are a little bit seasoned. And I just kind of started to see all the different elements. And so there's four elements in astrology it's fire, water, earth, and air. And all of the 12 signs are broken up into one of those four groups. And I found that really interesting to lean into. And the more that I leaned into that, I was like, oh, cool, we all have those parts in our charts, but some are stronger than others. And so elemental astrology is just about looking at your chart and noticing how many different, you know, signs and placements and planets do you have in specific elements, and more often than not, you'll have more heavy on certain elements than not. And I thought that this was such a beautiful way to lean into for people to understand what comes naturally to them and also what might not come as natural to them. So, as me and you discussed, we have a lot of air placements. So it comes very naturally for us to like think and become logic and just want to like go up in the mind and you know be very intellectual with it. But I myself lack a lot of earth. So I love being outside in nature, but it takes a lot of effort for me to like want to get myself there because it doesn't feel as natural. So I think that's just a good representation of um elemental astrology in that way and leaning into it for yourself.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, I am, I know we discussed our area, but I also have don't have a lot of earth in my chart as well. So I very much resonate with that. I love being outside, but it's not something that I like gravitate towards doing. I more so I'm gonna sit here and think about things until I'm blue in the face than go and like put my feet in the grass, which I know would probably be better for me. Um, but yeah, I really loved learning about that because it was super cool to actually like fully break up my chart. And I highly recommend anyone who is interested in doing this or like knows their chart or even doesn't to just like download your chart online and then kind of label which element it is and then figure out what percent of your chart is what. And like knowing like what is more dominant in your chart helps you to know kind of like what you gravitate towards, but then also finding ways to like implement more of the other elements that you don't really naturally possess. And I also think things might surprise you. Like, I remember I had voiced to you that there's a lot of fire in my chart, and I had no idea. Like, I don't really resonate with being like that fiery, feisty person, but when you kind of dove deeper into like different aspects of the fire sign and that energy, I do resonate with a lot of it, and I think it's more of my shadow side. So I think it really allows you to kind of learn more and to to digest and kind of think about different ways that those things can resonate with you. But I you broke down so many amazing things, but I guess pick one that you would like to talk about when whether it's like moon, your moon sign, your sun sign, or your rising, um and like how that breaks down because I thought that that was really interesting. And I know that people who are familiar with astrology probably know that like your sun sign is like the whole thing, your rising sign is more like who other people see you as. And yeah, there's different components of of each, but I'm curious. I would love for you to kind of elaborate on that.

SPEAKER_00

Um yeah, I think that you know it's so interesting because I myself have an air, sun, and rising. Um, but I have a fire moon. I'm a Sagittarius moon. And that's always been a part of my life that is like a non-negotiable for me. So fire moons um love a lot of like freedom in their life. And you know, they can, you know, kind of be very humorous in the way that they go about things. And so it's just interesting for me because I think that our moon sign very much so helps us understand what we need on like an emotional level and how other people can very much so be able to kind of like meet us on that level. And when we go deeper than that, it's something that you really crave in your life to feel safe. And so finding out that I was a Sagittarius moon, um, I was like, wow, you know, it's not just that I like freedom in my life. It's that if I don't feel like I have freedom in any area of my life, it's gonna feel unsafe for me, it's gonna feel suffocating. And that's just like what I need on an emotional level. And so I think that whatever you are your moon sign is, it's so important to lean into it. And you might not first resonate with it in that way. But if you kind of take it in and you understand, like, wow, you know what? The traits that come with this sign, with this element, it's very much so something that I do need in my life. So let me be honest about how much of that I really give myself and can I give myself a little bit more permission to know that that's like a necessity. So I think that's a really beautiful one to lean into to understand your inner world a bit more.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, that one really resonated with me because so I have one earth sign in my chart and it's my moon. I'm a Taurus moon. And something that I've always like felt like I've tried to really lean into is just like freedom and spontaneity. And I just like to have like flexibility. The with the Taurus, that's a lot of grounding energy and routine and stability. And that is something that I'm now learning and understanding helps me feel very safe and secure. And it makes so much sense now when I like reflect on that. And I when I when you did the workshop and I was like journaling about that, I was like, this makes so much sense for who I am as a person. And so I really tried to lean into that in April and like having a grounding activity in the middle of the day and like leaning into grounding energy in the morning, and I feel like a changed woman. Like I feel like I'm back to myself, and not that I wasn't before, but I was kind of just in this like chaotic cycle of trying to like get back into a routine and not knowing how. And it was like, babe, you need routine to get into a routine. And I just think that there is ways to like have that spontaneity and freedom in your day-to-day while also still having that grounding sense. And so I think like knowing that allowed me to then brainstorm all the ways that I could like have that structure and fluid structure and fluidity um to just give myself more ease.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And I think like that's what it's all about, right? We've talked about astrology, we've talked about human design, like the reason that I use these tools so much, not just for myself, but for my clients, more often than not, is just like permission. I think that it we are always trying to figure out what works for us and what doesn't. And we're always in different chapters of our life and they look different, they feel different. But if you always come down to the basics of like, this is just how I operate, this is just what feels good for me, like this is just something that's always going to come naturally. I think the more that you just give yourself acceptance of it and permission to just like let that be you and build everything else around that, even if it's not what you're used to. And more often than not, you know, a lot of the times honoring who you are with your astrology or in your human design, you're gonna have to go through, like you said, a lot of wow, this isn't something I'm used to. And I think that's where people are like, oh, I didn't think that I'd be this girly, or I didn't think that because it there's resistance towards it. But oftentimes it's like the things you have the biggest resistance towards are the things that you need the most. And so I would challenge you. The one thing in your chart that you're like, really, that doesn't make sense. That's probably like your hidden, your hidden gift to just like ground you or like bring you back to your most authentic self in in that way.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, definitely. And I I think it's funny because it is it is always those things that like you weren't expecting or you didn't necessarily fully resonate with. But I just say like try it out because what's the worst that could happen? If you don't resonate with it still, then whatever, like what it can it can go. It's not like rigid or like everything is these. I always just say like human design, astrology, like all these are just tools to better understand yourself. If they don't help you, then don't use them. But if they do help you, then that's just that's great. And that's like what they're designed to do. And I think the permission piece is so important. And I've had that conversation with a few people. I've I've interviewed a few guests. Um, one was into human design as well, and that was a theme that we kind of discussed a lot, was just that human design and astrology, like it really does give you permission to be the way that you may have always been, but didn't necessarily honor or felt wrong about or felt shame towards. And that doesn't go to say that you can't ever change any part of you that you don't necessarily like, but I do think that sometimes we think things are bad when they aren't actually like nothing's necessarily good nor bad. It's more like the energy that we put towards that thing. And so I think when we can like neutralize that and then see it for what it is and be like, oh, this is like helping me, and this is just kind of where my natural energy gravitates, then once we remove that like resistance towards it and actually give it give ourselves permission to be that way, then sometimes it actually works better than it was prior to us having that resistance. If that makes sense.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and going back to the curiosity piece, like if you are like listening to this and you're like, oh, like people keep talking about human design and I feel interested, but I'd there you it would bounce off you if you were not interested. Like, I think that what's so meant for us to explore will continue circling around us and not just circling around us, but like you'll be curious about. So, you know, whether it's human design or anything else that comes into your life, just like notice your first kind of intuitive hit of feeling curious about it and let yourself lead with it. Also notice how you'll probably talk yourself out of it for reason X, Y, or Z, but just notice if it keeps coming back. I find that a lot of the tools in life, no matter how grounded, no matter how spiritual, they'll definitely keep coming back into life if it's what we need the most.

SPEAKER_02

Do you have a favorite tool that you use more than others?

SPEAKER_00

Human design really is what I always come back to for myself. Um, but honestly, my biggest tool is my journal. Like I I have hundreds, I have so many journals. Um I think that yeah, it's just there, I've got one like 10 in every room. Like I, it's just my outlet. Like I very much so, like you said, can feel when I'm scripting. And sometimes it's just a dump, but I'm like, thank God that's out of my brain and on the piece of paper. Sometimes I'm like having these aha moments. And and so I just think that it just something that gives you if you're something that's in your head, which is probably why we we love journaling so much. Um, it's it's whatever tool that helps you reconnect back to yourself on like a soul level. Like whenever you're done with it, you're just like, okay, like well, I feel grounded, I feel centered. So yeah, mine, but mine specifically human design. I'm a mental projector. Um, and it's rare. Like I've never even I've met like one other girl and it was like online. So I think there was just a part of human design for me where it was just like, wow. I knew that this part of me was something I could never fully understand. And I just keep coming back to it every single time. So yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I love that. Yeah. Like I feel, I feel like throughout my just, I don't know, journey in life, like not necessarily even personal development, but just like before I got into personal development. Like I've loved, always loved learning about new tools and new things. And astrology started out for me with just learning my sun sign. And I would, you know, read my horoscope every now and then. But I just felt like it feels nice to just kind of connect to something. And I think that some people will argue that it's like kind of confirmation bias, you know, like when you're thinking something and you're excited about something and then you read it in your horoscope, and then you're like, oh my goodness, yes. And it's like you're like looking for that specific thing. But I think that it's just nice to have another outlet that you can connect to and that can like validate things if that's what you're needing, or like again, give you not advice, but just like an another perspective of things that then allows you to, you know, think about it and process it in a different way. And yeah, I just think it's like cool to lean on those.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. And just like the horoscope piece, like if you read your horoscope and it tells you something amazing is about to happen, why not claim it? Right. Like lean into it. I mean, I think where people get tripped up with it is when they hear a piece of astrology and they take it in as like, oh, they've just like this, whatever I just read just decided something for me. That's when I can totally understand how it can be a thin line, especially if they're doing like general horoscopes. But I'm all about that in life. Like in the world we live in, if you see something that makes you feel good, like claim it. Claim it, just run with it.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. And I think too, with like the other argument against like human design or astrology or whatever it is, is that like I know plenty of people that are insert sun sign and aren't the same. Like they're all so different, or like I know plenty of people who are insert human design type, and like they're not the same. But I think that it's like fair to say that we are so much more than our astrological sign or our human design chart. Like, we also have our own specific lived experience. We also, whoever there could be, I'm a Gemini, there could be six other Geminis, and we're all gonna be different, but we're also all different human design. We're all different, we were raised by different people, like we live in different towns. There's just like so much there. So I think that it's a cool tool again to like reference for yourself. But like if things don't resonate, they don't resonate. If they do, they do. And if you feel so different from someone else who is like the same sign or human design, like that's for a reason. Like we're all so different. No human is the same.

SPEAKER_00

No, and I think that's such a good thing to bring up because even like your sun sign in astrology, I would even argue that your sun sign is like the least, the least of all of them that really tells you so much about yourself. Um, but I think that even in astrology, like when you're a Gemini and you meet someone else as a Gemini, I think there's this energy that comes in where you're just like, okay, I don't claim this for myself. Like you say all you hear all the time for Libras, I'm a Libra. It's like, oh, you're so indecisive. You're such a people pleaser. Absolutely. The most unhealed version of myself was the biggest people pleaser, and I still struggle to make decisions. So I think there's so much of it where it's like, don't let it tell you who you are, but let it show you like what you've had to deal with in this lifetime. I've not met one Libra that has not dealt with or still deals with people pleasing. I've not met one Libra that at some point in their life is like, I struggle to make decisions. It's just you have to understand like it's part of you in a way, but it could be your unhealed self, it could be your healed self. So I think people latch onto that too, as if you don't resonate with it, sit with that. Is that because you're healed and that's unhealed or vice versa? Yeah, that's okay.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I for Gemini's the stereotypical one is that you're two-faced. Like you're so, you know, you can flip-flop and whatever it is. But I I remember I used to see that a lot when I was first learning about my sun sign. Obviously, that's like not something that you want to hear about yourself, be like, I'm not two-faced, but I remember like seeing somewhere else that what that essentially means is that like Geminis are just super adaptable and can have conversations and be in very complex dynamics with many different people. And I totally resonate with that. I feel like as a as like in my truest form, like I can adapt to any circumstance and any person and make it work. And I feel like, while yes, I guess that can look two-faced because it's like you are one version, but then you can be other versions of yourself around different people. I also think that that's just a good life skill to have. And so I know that once I learned that and I any other Geminis that I know that have like taken it that way, like totally can resonate with that. And so I do feel like there's gonna, there's like a bad thing to every single sign.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I think that too is like going off with the Gemini Chief Face or the Libra people pleaser. I think that if anything is trying to tell you who you are, then you should always sit with it and try to understand what that means for you. Because I know what a people pleaser means for me is like I just want everyone to get along. Like I love balance, I love peace. Like, let's all just like right. And like you said, for Gemini, it's like, yeah, I can be adaptable. So when you hear something and you're like, I don't resonate with that, try to find some thread of like why that's coming up. I think that's an important one.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, love that. All right. Well, some final questions. Do you have a favorite wellness practice?

SPEAKER_00

I love like no phone, no podcast, silent walks. I think that that's just forever my wellness hack for myself is like I love just leaving my phone at home and doing silent walks, projects my walks.

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SPEAKER_02

Um, yes, I I I love listening to a podcast on a walk, but lately I've been trying to do like a midday walk to break up my workday, like have lunch, go for a walk, get away from my screen because for a while I was, you know, working through lunch. And so I've really tried to be more structured with that. And I've been trying to like go on walks and just look at things, and you'll be surprised what you notice when you don't have things in your ears. Like, I know I'm not watching something, but even listening to something, your focus is elsewhere. And when you're not listening to anything, like I like to go on color walks and just kind of like go through the rainbow or like look for purple things, and it's just so cool, like what you'll see that you would not have seen if you were plugged in.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, and I get like my best downloads. I'll be like walking and I'll get this. I'm like, oh my gosh. And then the funniest part is I don't have my phone on me. So all I'm thinking about is please remember this, please remember this.

SPEAKER_02

I know that's the worst. That's what's so annoying, is it's like we're so dependent on it that I'm so used to just being like, okay, I could just pick up my phone, add it to my notes app. And now it's like, oh my god, I have to remember this thing. Like, please tell me when I get home. Um, do you have a favorite book or podcast?

SPEAKER_00

You know, a spiritual book, I think everyone should read The Untethered Soul by Mike Elsinger. I think that's a really good one to break you open in a really beautiful perspective. As a woman, I think everyone should read Come As You Are by Emily. Can't say her last name, but if you know, you know.

SPEAKER_02

Yes, I've never read The Untethered Soul, but I will add that to my TBR. Um, I started reading Come As You Are, but I haven't finished it yet. But I really I don't know why. Some books you kind of pick up and put down, and then they find you when you're ready for them. So I will have to revisit that one. But it was good from when I started it, and I've heard so many amazing books about that book. Um, is there a product that you can't live without?

SPEAKER_00

Product I can't live without honestly. My emotional water bottle, can that be one? I left it at my friend's house and I was without it for five days, and I've never been more dehydrated. So I can't live without that product.

SPEAKER_02

Totally resonate. I carry like it is so attached to me that like I will drive down the street to get something and bring it with me in the car. And I'm like, why did I bring that with me? Always it is always with my birthday. Um, and then lastly, someone who inspires you.

SPEAKER_00

I will say our common queen, Becca. I think she's always such an inspiration for me in in many ways, and I'm really honored to be working with her one-on-one right now. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

Yes. I love her so much. She's the best. Can you share where everyone can find you and support you?

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, you can find me on Instagram. My handle is soulfulsunshine. I have a podcast as well. It's called The Bridge Between on Spotify and Apple. And those are the two best places to find me.

SPEAKER_02

Yay! Thank you so much.