Ep20: From ICU to Fascia Healing: How Faith and Craniosacral Work Unlock Deep Healing ft. John McLaughlin, RN, CFT

In this powerful episode of your body speaks, Dr. Brook welcomes John from Midcoast Fascial Therapy—a former critical care nurse turned faith-inspired craniosacral fascial therapist. Together, they dive into the profound intelligence of the fascia system, its role in holding emotional trauma, and how gentle hands-on work can activate deep physical, emotional, and spiritual healing.

John shares how a personal search to help his son led to a radical shift in his life—from the ICU to the healing table—and how his faith in God now guides every session. You’ll hear stories of miraculous breakthroughs, fascia as “God’s yarn,” and why less input and more surrender is often the answer.

If you’ve ever wondered what fascia really is, how it influences everything from migraines to mood, or how your body could be holding trauma from decades ago, this episode will open your eyes—and your heart. 🙏🏼

This episode includes:

• What fascia actually is and how it impacts every system
• How fascial tension contributes to chronic pain, trauma, and nervous system dysregulation
• Why emotional release and physical healing are deeply connected
• How John blends scripture, prayer, and hands-on work for body-based transformation
• The difference between symptom-chasing and honoring the body’s priorities
• John's salvation story and the biblical lens through which he now practices

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Website: https://www.midcoastfascialtherapy.com/
YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@FaithandFascia

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📖 Scripture shared in this episode:
Proverbs 3:8 – “It will be h

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Transcript

And when you start addressing
root cause, you know,
the nine other things that are
being, you know, the issues
seem to just disappear.
So it's been a lot of fun to
just kind of see that happen
and really leaning into that,
like, the body knows best,
which is something I've always
kind of reached out to the
world that, like, you were
designed in a way to find
balance, and your body knows
exactly what to do.
The problem is we get impatient
or we try to get in the way.
So when you step back and you
yield and you surrender
to it, your body will do
exactly what it needs to do.
You might not like it, you
might not enjoy the way
through it, but you are going
to end up exactly where you're
supposed to be, and it's going
to be better than Any pill
surgery, you know, it's just,
it's really remarkable when
the body does what the body
knows how to do.

Welcome back to another episode
of your body speaks.
I'm Dr.
Brook, your host and I am
so excited to share with
you today a gentleman by
the name of John who practices
faith-inspired cranial
sacral fascial therapy. 
Now, if you are a patient
of mine, you understand
that some of the stuff that
I do is fascia related.
But this guy does fascia
to the 10th degree.
And he, trusts
in the body's ability to heal
as God intended,
which I totally love.
He's formerly a critical
care nurse but now
practices hands on therapy
that supports physical
and emotional well-being .
Super important.
While honoring
the great physician.
Through midcoast
fascial therapy,
He offers care that reflects
his experience
and calling to serve others
through faith inspired
cranial fascial therapy.
John, welcome to the show.
So excited you're here today.
Yes, yes, yes, yes.
So all that to say, I want
to hear from the critical care
nurse side of things
to jumping into what
you're doing today with
the fascial work, where.
What happened in between there.
Yeah, no, I was a critical
care nurse for, you know,
over a decade and always
felt like, you know, I mean,
it was the right place.
Like when you're in
an accident or you're having
a heart attack or a stroke,
like you need medicine,
you need surgery.
So I felt like I was
still helping people.
You know, sometimes in
the hospitals, in the medical
world, we kind of overdo it.
But I felt, I felt
in the critical care
environment like at least
I'm doing something.
But I still always
felt like this.
We're missing the holistic
picture, right?
We're missing
the alternative stuff.
And then I stepped away
from nursing at the bedside
in October of 2021.
And I did some like, home care
kind of on the side doing some
care management and stuff.
And my youngest son has, you
know, tethered oral tissues.
And we were looking for ways
to kind of support kind
of the tension in his body.
And my wife found CFT or
craniosacral fascial therapy
and we started looking
for somebody in the area.
And at the time there was
one woman in Massachusetts
and she had like a three
month waiting list.
So I looked up and I
said, you know, I'll just
go take the training.
You know, I was
a critical care nurse.
I think I got
the brains for this.
I can figure it out.
So I went down
to Pennsylvania, that's where
the class was that year.
And I took the three
day foundations course.
And day one, I just knew
right away, like,
all right, this is  it.
This is the thing.
Like, this is what's
been missing.
And it felt so natural.
It just kind of came to me.
And I was seeing these,
like, real root cause
healings going on.
Like people dealing with these
chronic issues, like, you
know, GERD and migraines and
emotional traumas, which
after I came home and said,
I'm going to turn this into a
business, the home care
agency I was working with had
to lay me off.
They couldn't financially
support the position.
So I said, okay, God,
I'll start my business.
Message received.
And I didn't look back.
I knew there was a need
for it in New England.
Like I said, there was
just me and that one
other woman at the time.
Yes.
So I knew there was a need.
And I realized pretty quickly
that, like, Maine's
huge, but New England's even
bigger, and the United
States is bigger than that.
So I was going to
have to travel.
So then I started traveling
around New England, kind
of bringing this therapy
to different parts of New
England that needed it.
I've been to Canada, so
that's kind of the arc
right from critical care
to where I am now.
And there's no going back.
Like, what I've seen happen on
the table is just beyond, you
know, the testimony is unreal.
Miracles happen, and I've
witnessed them.
And, yeah, it's just.
It's really seeing, like,
the body do what
the body's designed to do.
Right.
Like, we can have issues and we
can give you medications,
or we can do different things,
but sometimes that's put.
Just putting a lid
on a boiling pot.
Right.
The water's still
boiling underneath.
Yeah.
With this therapy, we're seeing
the heat get turned down,
the boiling stop, and people
actually have true healing.
And when you start addressing
root cause, you know,
the nine other things that are
being, you know, the issues
seem to just disappear.
So it's been a lot of fun to
just kind of see that happen
and really leaning into that,
like, the body knows best,
which is something I've always
kind of reached out to the
world that, like, you were
designed in a way to find
balance, and your body knows
exactly what to do.
The problem is we get impatient
or we try to get in the way.
So when you step back and you
yield and you surrender
to it, your body will do
exactly what it needs to do.
You might not like it, you
might not enjoy the way
through it, but you are going
to end up exactly where you're
supposed to be, and it's going
to be better than Any pill
surgery, you know, it's just,
it's really remarkable when
the body does what the body
knows how to do.
Oh, preach, preach,
preach, preach.
So amazing because it's
something I really like, you
know, stand up on my
platform and really talk
about all the time, is the
body is far wiser than any
doctor, scientist, anybody
can even imagine.
God gave it that intelligence.
And, you know, I know I go out
on a limb sometimes and say
this, but I truly, you
know, Jesus was the greatest
gift that God gave humanity.
Second to that was these
bodies that he placed
our soul inside of.
And he's given, them
to us, like, to carry our
soul through this world.
And we have to learn to, like,
take care of it and honor
it and not try to hack it.
You know, a lot of our
wellness culture today is
like, hack, hack, hack,
hack, doo, doo, doo.
And you're talking about
something that's really just
unraveling pieces, not even
putting so much input into
the body or putting all these
different things into it, but
unraveling so it can do what
it's been designed to do all
along.
So, in plain English,
for those people who might,
what is fascia?
Or what is he talking about?
Fascia.
Like what, how would you define
the word fascia for people?
So here's what I tell people.
Fascia is an all encompassing,
uninterrupted piece
of body tissue that wraps
around every muscle, bone,
organ, ligament, blood cell,
down to the nucleus.
Yep.
But when I say it's
uninterrupted, I mean, like,
it's one big piece.
Right.
It's kind of like, imagine
a suit underneath your skin
and it weaves
through every body system.
So it makes it
the biggest body system.
The same fascia that wraps
around your brain stem,
that wraps around your
cardiac muscle or your
heart muscle, is the same
fascia that wraps around
your shins, that wraps
around your big toes.
It's the same piece of tissue.
So the analogy I give is
if, you start twisting
a shirt or you start twisting
like a pant leg,
you're going to see wrinkles.
That's your fascia.
So you can see how restrictions
in a shoulder start
to pull across the body
into the back of the head,
maybe down into a hip.
So what I like to tell people
is where there's strain,
there's not always pain.
Right.
You can complain of shoulder
pain, hip pain, back pain,
but the issue could be in
your jaw, it could be in
your feet, it could be in an
ankle, because it's all
connected.
So restrictions in one
spot, put pressure
on the rest of the body.
Now, I'm not, you know,
saying that tension is bad.
Our bodies are built
on a tensegrity model.
Think of a suspension bridge.
So the right amount of tension
in the right spot and we're
able to walk upright
and do the things we can do.
The problem is there's too
much tension in one spot,
and now everything's kind
of out of, out of whack.
Right.
And then we have to compensate.
So as we release tension,
the body shifts,
finds where to put stuff
in that new open space,
and starts to put the tension
back where it belongs.
So beautiful.
Such a beautiful
explanation, of that.
So one of the questions I did
want to ask you is how does
clearing, fascial
disturbances and smoothing
it out, so to speak, how
does that help downshift the
nervous system?
You know, we hear a lot
about in that wellness
culture, you can go on
Instagram and look at any
twist and turn, and
somebody's talking to you
about cortisol or they're
talking to you about the
LP1s and all these things.
But it's like there's so
many other things that can
be done to help really
regulate the nervous system.
How does fascia, help
downshift that nervous system?
Yeah.
So it's simple as this, right?
Fascia is all
encompassing, uninterrupted.
So it's wrapped around
your nervous system.
Right.
Your brain, your skull,
all your nerves.
Right.
It's wrapped around
all of that.
Well, it exerts up
to £2,000 of force.
So if you start putting
restrictions in that fascia,
it exerts up to £2,000 of
force on your nervous system.
So if you have 2,000 pounds
squeezing down on your brain
or on your brain stem or
anywhere along your spinal
cord, that's your
craniosacral system, then
it's going to put pressure
back on the system.
So as we relieve tension and
stress in the fascia out in
the body, it starts to take
that pressure off of the
central nervous system
again, like opening things
up and allowing for more
flow of cerebral spinal
fluid, which nourishes and
detox the body.
But it's as simple as just
imagining one of your
nerves being clamped down
with £2,000 of force.
And if we can take that
force off, clearly you're
going to, you're going
to be in better shape.
Amen.
Have you seen, then doing some
CFT work with patients, that
cortisol comes back into
balance, that fight flight
activity, like just, you
know, starts to come back
into more of that rest and
digest parasympathetic,
nervous system activity.
Yeah, no, absolutely.
It's hard to see like cortisol
without labs and stuff.
And when people will.
I.
I've had people that have
had labs done and it's
a snapshot, it's a picture of
what's going on in your body
at that exact moment.
Same thing with imaging.
Exactly what I see.
I don't trust it that much.
And even as a critical care
nurse, I look for trends.
So I don't know if you
come get a session, you go
get your blood work
and your cortisol dropped.
I can't claim it.
I'll say, yeah, probably,
maybe, but as far as pulling
people out of fight or
flight, a hundred percent.
I've seen people come in
in full on panic attacks
and within the hour,
two hour session
completely switch into,
you know, parasympathetic.
I've seen people, you know,
fall asleep and clearly go
into like beta wave and you
know, really restorative
sleep on the table.
And I accredit a lot
of that to that craniosacral
part of the therapy.
You know, I say the fascial
parts really where
we're going to get in
and we're going to mix stuff
up, it's very active.
And then when it comes
to the craniosacral, which
is kind of blended in there,
but I always tend to end
with it because I find
it's a good reset.
You know, that craniosacral
work really just,
Calms everything down.
It kind of shuts you off,
allows your body again to do
what your body knows how to do
with all that space and all
that release you just got.
And then you kind of come
back online, like shutting
off a computer at the end
of the session and you're
in this new state, you
know, and then you hold on
to it.
Yeah.
So good.
So good.
Okay, so one of the other
questions about your work,
because I'm sure you've
heard a lot of myths around
fascia work or you know,
cranial sacral.
What is some of the common
myths that you would
love to retire about?
Those things cranial
sacral and fascia?
I mean, I've heard so
many different things.
A lot of people think
that craniosacral work
lives in like this new
aging gnostic place.
Right.
And I'll argue that
like it can I.
I know practitioners that
that's where they put it,
but I'm a testament of it.
Somebody who Walked through
that new age without even
knowing it, and then was, you
know, redeemed by the blood of
Christ and saved and
completely had my eyes open to
this, this, you know, therapy
that I'm doing.
I remember sitting
in the car, you know, when I
received it and said,
can I still do what I'm doing?
Like, I'll stop now, God,
I swear I'll stop now.
And I opened the Bible.
It was very clear that hands
on healing is something
that's very biblical.
Jesus was a hands on healer.
So it really comes down
to where are you
pulling those intentions?
You know, I don't ever claim
to have this mystical
power that's given to me by
creatures of the stars.
You know, I know that when I
sit down at this table, I'm
being, you know, yielding
these hands to God and
becoming a resource of his
healing, a reflection of his
light and being a conduit of
what he can do.
And there's only so much
that, you know, I'm able
to kind of do on the table.
But there's always prayer
involved in asking him
to kind of do what he can do
and what only he can do.
And we send it all
to his feet to be retired.
So I definitely think that
that's one thing a lot of
people seem to think is that,
you know, any type of hands on
healing, especially
craniosacral work, kind of
borders into this weird like
gnosticy new age thing.
And it certainly can,
but this is where discernment
comes in and really meeting
with the practitioner
and finding out like what
their background is.
You know, when I, before I was
a faith inspired practitioner,
I had people that reached
out and said, hey, you know,
do you do all these things?
And at the time I was
like, yeah, absolutely.
You know, divine energy
and you know, we
channel that white light.
And I think back,
and it's funny because I
can laugh about it.
Right.
I don't have to be ashamed
because I'm a new person.
Yeah.
But, I see now that like what
they were asking and why
it's so important because I do
the same thing now, right.
I discern everybody who puts
hands on me or my family or
enters into my home, because
it's real and we have to
write, it's in the Bible that
we're supposed to test the
spirit.
So absolutely.
I think that's, that's
the biggest one I think
I'd want to lay to bed.
And then the other thing
is just that like, it's
all the same, right.
Like, if you've gone to one CST
practitioner or one fascial
practitioner that, like,
you've tried it and it's over.
Cft, specifically craniosacral
fascial therapy.
I mean, there are so many
different people doing
this and incorporating it
into what they do.
Some people are bringing
pediatric PT to their table.
Some people have a speech
pathology background.
They bring it in.
There's chiropractors
that are bringing it in.
I have a critical
care background
and I'm faith inspired.
There's so much that goes
into the technique and the
approach that if you tried
it once, try it again, try
it with somebody else,
because it really can be
different.
We can't help but bring
in our personal experiences
to everything we do,
especially when it's something
we do with our hands.
Yes.
Oh, so good.
So, so good.
Oh, that's so amazing.
I, want to, I want
to transition a little bit
because some of the things
that I work with, on my
patient or with my patients, I
share with them.
You know, you can be without
physical pain, but there could
still be spiritual, emotional
and mental brokenness
that has to be addressed.
So health is really, truly
a facet of all four
pillars standing straight
and strong and, you know, no
cracks, no nothing.
And so I do deal with, you
know, patients who are coming
to me with all different sorts
of, you know, situations.
And there are emotional
components that need
to be unraveled.
And I know that fascia, like,
stores a lot of the
emotions, like get caught in
that, which could cause some
of that, what you were
talking about, that tension,
that pulling, that wrinkle
in the shirt.
How, like, how.
Have you seen emotions
play a role in your work?
That you do.
Yeah.
So it's, it's the way it, it's
almost like an alarm system.
Right.
So the example I like
to give, because it's easy as
a car accident, if you get
into a car accident, say
you're rear ended, right?
You kind of get that hit,
you might get a concussion,
you might get a headache,
it could be really bad.
Or you might walk away from it.
Yeah.
But your, your fascia is
going to remember that
and it's going to remember
everything about that.
It's going to remember
the weather, the day,
the time of the year, maybe
the song that was
on the radio, the smells,
the sounds, everything.
Because your fascia is a super
protective piece, of tissue.
So then what happens is you're
like, I'm fine, no big deal.
But you can't seem to shake
the stuck shoulders or.
I always get these
headaches and I can't seem
to figure it out.
It's your body remembering.
It's your body sounding
the alarm saying, hey, we're
going to get rear ended again
and we need to lock up.
And these are the people
that have the shoulders
rolled forward.
They have tons of headaches
or things seem to be fine.
But then, I don't know, every
year, kind of around October,
I start getting,
you know, the back sore again
and it takes like a month
for it to shake out.
It's the body going back
to that period of time
where the accident was.
And now you can fill
in anything else, right?
It can be you know, as
severe as abuse or it can be
as minor as like you trip
and twist an ankle.
The body's going to
remember everything about it
and it's going
to sound off those alarms.
What I like to take is that
this, this fascial therapy
that I do is we go in and
we calm that body down, we
remind it that it's no
longer in that period of
time.
We going to, we're going to
silence those alarms and
you're going to see that you
kind of start to build
resilience in your nervous
system, in your body, as
opposed to reliance, right?
Your body goes from having
to do it to being, I know I
can if I have to, but I no
longer am in that state.
And we pull people out
of these old postures
and things like that.
But like you were saying, it's
not just physical, right?
We, we have a spirit, a soul
and a body and the spirit
needs to influence
the soul, which should
influence the body.
Right?
It goes that way down.
The mind is going
to influence the body.
So if we fill the mind
with the spirit and truth
and positivity,
the mind will then manifest
that in the body.
So we see things like anxiety,
depression, self defeating
thoughts and I like to call
them broken thoughts, right?
Like my body's a mess or
I'm just broken.
And what you're doing is you're
telling your body, your body's
listening to that because it
can't tell the difference
between sarcasm, a joke and
you don't even have to say it
out loud.
If you think, think it.
Even if it's a split second,
for one second you go,
oh, why am I so stupid?
Your body hears that
and it goes, well, okay.
And now if you do that
over a long period
of time, your body says, well
it's gotta be true.
So if I'm broken, then
I'm gonna break.
If I can't do it.
I'm not gonna do it.
And we see this with diagnosis,
somebody who just has, you
know, a few symptoms, and then
they go and they find out
it's being labeled X, Y, or Z.
And then they all of a sudden
somehow miraculously
manifest, you know, nine other
symptoms of that thing.
And it's like, it's
because you believe it, you
know, I mean, it's.
Your mind has been told
something, so then
your body manifests it.
So, healing all three of those.
We have to heal the spirit
so that we can heal the soul,
so that we can heal the body.
You know, the body, like you
said before, it's a temple.
It was given to us.
And if you have the nicest
temple and you spent tons of
money building this beautiful
building, but then you fill it
with garbage, what good is it?
Right.
Vice versa.
If you turn around and you
have, you know, one of those
Hollywood facades where it's
just a bunch of plywood that
looks like a nice house.
Yeah.
And you're filling it with
the most expensive, natural,
organic materials.
It's still trash, Right.
They have to be.
They have to go
together, Right.
They have to heal the spirit,
the soul, and the body.
You got to put the spirit
in the temple because it just.
Otherwise it doesn't work.
It's all three or none.
Yeah, absolutely.
Oh, that is.
Yeah, it's so good.
I had so much to say
on that last piece, but I.
It just kind of.
It will come to me.
God will bring it back.
But, going back to.
Because I know you got
into this, you know, in.
In all that emotional
component, for sure.
But going back to your son,
in the tension in his
mouth, his oral tension.
Did you guys get that work
through by, like, what was
the outcome of all of that
with, you know, I know God
used that to bring you
into what you're doing
now.
How did.
How does.
How did his story end?
He's doing good, Right.
So the attention.
We can work on it.
I've since taken
a myofunctional
therapy course.
I don't practice myofunctional
therapy because
it's just too involved.
But I'm able to do
all the exercises
and things like that.
Strengthen all his oral motor,
his neck, his lips, his
tongue, and all those things.
And he's still
happy and healthy.
And I tell everyone,
just focus on that.
Right?
Happy, healthy.
When he was a baby, he gained
weight, he nursed fine.
So really, what it comes
down to is his airways.
Okay.
It becomes a cosmetic.
Right.
It becomes very much
an aesthetic thing
at this point.
He's got a nice wide
palette, good spacing, so
we're not rushing to cut
anything, but we will plan
on, you know, once he gets
a little bit older, then
we'll go.
We'll go forth with,
like, the tongue tie
release and the.
The lip tie release.
Just because I know
feeling that in the stretches
and things like that is
going to be traumatic.
Luckily enough, I'm his
dad and I can help him
kind of process that.
But, I don't need
to put him through it right
now at 5 years old.
You know, he can wait.
And he's doing okay.
Yeah, good.
No, that's good to hear.
And.
And.
Oh, that.
That's the piece too.
Like, when you said it, I was
like, I remember when you
were talking about, you know,
the Hollywood facade or
putting stuff on the outside
or not having the good stuff
on the inside, or how we kind
of create to make it look
like it is something when
it's really not.
And we do live in a society,
and unfortunately, you
know, it makes me very sad,
where a lot of it is,
all of this extern.
External, like, what does
the skin look like?
How many wrinkles do I have?
Is this happening?
You know, are my lips
looking full enough?
Are my breasts, like,
where they need, like, all
these things that we.
We look at and we.
We deem, like, that is
a good sign of health.
Right?
And when in reality, the whole
entire inside is tight and.
And taut and just, like, angry,
Like, I use terminology.
Like, your body is so angry.
Like, why is it so angry?
We got to figure it out
and unravel it
from the inside, you
know, and figure out
how to support it.
So, such a good point.
Because, yeah, I mean, like,
that is, like, how, like you
were saying, like, emotions
and the way we see ourselves
and the way we think about
ourselves and the way we talk
to ourselves.
Because, I mean, this
whole podcast is called
your body speaks.
It truly does speak to us.
It communicates to
us all the time.
The problem is, is we,
like, go, la, la, la, la,
la, la, la, la, la, la.
We can't hear you.
Or we want somebody else
who's wearing a tie.
Title Dr.
So and so.
Or a white jacket, or a pill,
a magic pill, a magic shot.
Something to correct our
problems, rather than truly,
like, going, well, what is
it that you're asking for?
What is it that you need?
And for those of you who
aren't looking or are viewing
this on, video, I'm
pointing At myself, like, you
know, at my body, like,
what is it that you need?
And so we, we, this society
that we live in, you
know, just very cool.
Quick to try to, like I said,
like I was saying earlier,
like this whole hacking
culture too, where we just
like want to just throw more
at it, throw more at it, throw
like hoping it's going to
function when really like less
is so much more.
And, and I think about like
taking this back to scripture
because I know like you and I
share, share these beliefs,
but it's like Jesus wasn't
like even when he cast out
demons and did healing and all
the things, he wasn't using
all these words, he wasn't
doing all these things.
He wasn't doing all
kinds of crazy.
He literally maybe picked
up dirt out of the, out
of the ground, spit on it
and put it on somebody's
eyes or just touched them
or said leave them now.
You know.
But this society, we feel like
we have to say, you know, it's
got to be 50 words or more.
It's got to be this amount
of concoctions or more, you
know, and so it's just like
this like overdoing, like and,
and not enough of this.
Just awe inspiring, like
listening and, and really
working on figuring out like
what you're doing with
patients and, and helping
them unravel those pieces and
get that tensegrity model to
the point of, where it needs
to be not pulling one side or
going like this or, you know,
unraveling those stuck
emotions and those memories.
So I just want to like, just
on that point, I just, Yeah,
I just want to say thank you
for doing what you're doing
and being another voice out
there and you know, talking
about it because it's
important.
So.
Yeah, no, you're very welcome.
And you're right.
We live in a society where
people are impatient and they
don't want to feel, you know.
And the biggest part
of healing is you have to be
an active participant.
Nobody's going
to do it for you.
Not your chiropractor, not your
fascial therapist, nobody.
You have to do it.
Absolutely.
You have to feel it.
It's going to be inconvenient,
might be uncomfortable,
but if you want to get
through it, you have to.
So we're quick to, you
know, take a pill or look
for the thing because
we want to disassociate.
We don't want to feel, we don't
want to do any of the things
that require true healing.
Emotions stick
harder and longer.
In the body.
That's my opinion.
Because as we get older
and adults, we learn
to be hesitant, we
learn to be afraid.
We get ashamed
and babies let it go.
Right.
Babies will cry, they'll
fart, they'll poop,
they'll do all the things
because they don't care.
As we get older, we get these
emotional restrictions
in our body and we're afraid.
I don't want to feel that
again or that's uncomfortable
or that reminds me
of something from my past.
And it just sits there
and festers and gets tighter
and tighter and it
just continues to like
pull on everything else.
So these emotional releases
tend to be really big, you
know, and as we're working, we
hit nose in the body, right?
Parts of those bodies where
you're like, all right,
that's not really moving.
But I've learned to kind
of sit on it, right.
Because once that no kind
of gets comfortable,
we find out it's a hesitant
no or it's a scared no.
And the no becomes a yes.
And we have these big releases.
So emotional healing
is huge too.
And like you were saying
in the Bible, right?
Jesus did all those wonderful
things and the one thing he
did was he used his tongue.
The power of life and death is
in our tongue.
So speech, right?
How we talk to ourselves, how
we think about ourselves, so
important to the body, right?
Jesus said, lazarus, come out.
He did.
He said, get up and walk.
He did.
Jesus was using his tongue.
He was using his voice.
And we need to be more mindful
of how we speak, you know,
because it really does carry
the life of destruction
or it can rebuild, right?
It can kill or it
can bring life.
Yes.
So good.
So good.
I don't mean to make,
make this be my show.
I mean it is my show, but I'm
having you on as a guest.
But I, God pressed it on my
heart last year to really
help people anchor into their
body in a whole new way
through faith and not fear.
Because people fear
their bodies.
And so the talk to me body
card deck is from
different pieces of the body
talking to the person.
And when you said that about
the tongue, that's, you know,
it's like, I am your tongue.
I, you know, can
bless or I can curse.
Use me wisely.
And then I pulled this
one specific for you.
I don't know if you can see it.
I am your fascia.
I connect everything.
Holding your body
silent memories.
I tighten when you
hold back emotion.
I soften when you release.
I don't forget trauma.
But I don't need to stay
stuck in it either.
I weave through muscle,
bones and organs,
giving shape and structure
and communication
to your whole body.
And then I put
here, Proverbs 3, 8.
It will be health to your flesh
and strength to your bones.
But, yeah, I want people
to understand their fascia
is very, very important.
So, yeah, I refer
to it as God's yarn.
You know, I mean, we were knit
together in our mother's womb.
Love it.
I tell people you were knit
together with the fascia.
Right.
It goes through
every body system.
And when you think
of knitting, right, you knit
with yarn, and yarn's
usually made of wool.
Yeah.
So, I mean, I really believe
that we've been woven
together with, you know, the
Lamb of God from the very
beginning, when God created
us in our mother's womb, he
gave us Jesus.
He set us up for success.
And he said, you'll
need nothing.
Right?
Just like Psalm 23,
you'll need nothing.
I'm setting you up
from the very beginning.
Your body's going to be woven
with Jesus, and he's
going to be there with you
from the time you're born
to the time you die.
So, so true.
Oh, so good.
Okay.
One.
One thing.
One more thing I
want to ask you.
In transitioning away from
that, can you share with us,
like, a success story or,
like, a cool story in
practice, where maybe, like,
the person came in, you
know, they were complaining
about headaches, but you
started working at their
foot or, you know, something
else, like, came up, like.
Because a lot of times when
I'm working with patients,
what I see is people come
with their, like, you know,
the symptoms that they're
consciously aware of, like,
oh, it hurts here or it icky,
you know, but then a lot of
times the body is like,
actually, this is the bigger
priority, and this is what I
want you to address.
And then I'll take care
of the other issues.
Do, you have any.
So something that really
shows how that fascia is
connected to everything?
Yeah, I mean, it's.
There's.
There's quite a bit.
But one that comes to mind
when you talk about that.
I had a woman come in, and she
was coming in for,
shoulder pain, neck pain, like
the typical TMJI clinch.
I grind and I have headaches.
Yeah.
And within that first
session, you know, we did.
I did the thing.
We did all the stuff,
and we're helping open
up those shoulders and things.
But I'd got into her, you
know, those visceral organs,
and really working around
the diaphragm and in her
liver and all those places
that I know these emotions
sit and finding those spots
that really were bringing
those reactions.
And I could tell there was
something here, Right.
So I just sit on those.
We sit on those nose
and we wait and we
see and we comfort.
And it comes to, I mean,
she was, she came from a very
abusive relationship.
She had tons of religious
trauma and all these
things were sitting deep
inside her stomach
and in all these organs.
Right.
And from that, you know,
from that moment on the next
session, we were working
knees where her legs were
broken, we worked her jaw
where he punched her.
We worked, you know,
all these different places.
And she came in just
for head stuff and had
no idea that this stuff
was living in there.
You know, like
completely disassociated.
And the way she described it
after that first session was
her whole left side of her
body came back to her, that
her vision no longer was up
and to the right, that she
could see midline.
She felt like she had,
like, had to learn how
to walk again with that whole
left side of her body.
She had disassociated
that whole side of her
body due to the trauma.
Yeah.
And she had no idea that like
this was going to be this big,
you know, kind of shift.
And I tried to explain to her,
well, that's fascia, Right.
It holds on to
all those things.
Right.
And as we open things up,
we don't know how it's
going to come out.
Right.
And I've seen so many other
different ways of, you know,
women with, you know, really
right sided pelvic pain
didn't even tell me about it.
I worked the left side
completely, right side
completely resolved.
And they text me and say,
I don't know how it
works because you
didn't touch that side.
I didn't tell you about that
because I was afraid you
were going to touch it.
And it hurts.
But now it's gone, you know,
and it's gone, gone like
six months still gone.
Like it's completely resolved
because the fascial tension
is, is released, you know,
and we see this in emotions
with shoulders,
another woman, shoulder stuff.
And it was an emotional
release related to a death.
And the shoulder's completely
mobile now, right.
There's no clicking.
It's just really impressive.
The body was designed
in such a way that it
leaves me breathless.
And when somebody
says, can you help me?
I say yes, because I know this
can help with almost anything.
Oh my gosh, it's so cool.
It leaves me in awe too.
Like, I'm like, yeah,
it's unbelievable.
Like, I, like, I would.
I'm like, I would never
have been able to figure
this out, you know,
with like, even applying my
logical doctor brain.
Like, oh, they're having
this symptom then.
This symptom so textbook.
It should be X, Y and Z.
Right?
And it's just like,
so fascinating.
And when you, when you share
those stories, it's like what
you're doing there, John, is
you are honoring the body.
You are not going
symptom chasing.
You're not on a, like,
wild goose chase to go
after everything that
they're walking in with.
You know, And a lot
of times, like you said,
they're not even sharing
things that are going on.
You're finding them
and bringing them up to them.
And so many times like that
with patients as well.
Like, what happened to you when
you were 2 or 3 years old?
What went on in your life
at these points?
What do you.
What.
You know, like, how
did you know that?
Well, I didn't.
Like, you know, your body is
telling me like, they can.
And that is like the coolest
thing because it's like,
you know, you can get
the body back into a place
of just, like, ease
and function and health.
Like true health.
Not just a, a body without
symptoms, a body
without pain, but some.
A body that's actually
like, working the way that
it was designed to do.
So super.
Incredible.
Is there anything you
would like to share that
I haven't asked you?
No, I mean, not that
I can think of.
I don't know.
I'm just.
I'm an open book.
Ask away.
Yeah.
I love what I do.
Yeah.
Being saved by Jesus, being
a, you know, a renewed
follower of Christ has
completely changed my life.
Yeah.
And that's a big part
of everything I do now.
So, you know, and just being
able to witness that and see
those miracles and, you know,
working in the spirit, you
know, somebody referred to,
you know, as prophetic fascial
therapy.
Like, what I'm doing is
prophetic fascial therapy.
I love that getting in there.
And again, I don't need
to know what's going on.
Right.
I just.
I can yield my hands
and I'm gonna find it.
And if, I had a dollar for
every time somebody said I
didn't know I was tight there,
how did you know?
I can't explain it.
It's not a superpower.
I'm not this, you
know, it's just.
It's the spirit working
through me and showing
me those things.
Right.
Just like Isaiah,
there was a voice calling
in the wilderness.
The wilderness was
a barren, isolated place.
And sometimes our bodies
and our spirits and our
minds can become very
barren and isolated.
And we're going
to make way for.
Make way.
Right.
We're making way, coming back.
And I truly believe that
physical body work, this
fascial therapy, is a way
of preparing the body.
Right.
It's a, it's a way of not only
healing physically and,
you know, fixing the temple.
But we're mending
and fixing the spirit too.
Because we need to be ready
when Christ comes back.
And it's very likely we
could see him come back.
So it's real.
You know, getting body work is
not something that is vain.
It's not vanity,
it's stewardship.
Right, Right.
It's a body.
It's our job to
take care of it.
It's not ours, it's his.
So it's our job to make
sure it's ready for
when he wants it back.
So beautiful.
He.
He.
We're.
It's on loan.
Our soul is in here on loan.
Everything you are, everything
you have is because of him.
And he'll take it back
when he's ready.
It's ready.
Yes.
One last, personal, question.
When did you get saved
or when did you become
a follower of Jesus?
So January 19th of this year.
I was raised Catholic.
I, did the whole, you know,
I call it cafeteria.
You know, you just take
this, accept it,
don't ask questions.
I was an altar server
and I tell people
the story all the time.
There was a great priest,
during a mass, I was setting
up for the mass, and I
said, father, you know,
I don't understand why
I have to do any of this.
Like, it doesn't
make sense to me.
Like God's not going
to hear me if I talk
to him anywhere else.
And he was very nice
and he said, you don't have
to do anything.
You can leave right now, John,
and you're going to be okay.
God loves you no matter what.
You can go take a shower
and talk to Jesus.
He's going to hear you.
You don't have to be here.
Wow.
And, you know, I appreciated
it and I continue to be
an altar server for a while.
And then, you know, I just
decided it was enough, like I
didn't agree with it anymore.
And I walked away.
And I completely walked away.
And January 19th, I was
on my way to an in home, you
know, going to do this
for somebody at their house.
Yeah.
And I was listening to
this, like, a, YouTube
video at the time.
Didn't know it was
a Bible study.
I thought it was like, this
business, this man that speaks
business, but through
biblical principles.
And I'm going.
I'm going to translate
what he says.
Like, I'll know that he
means universe when he
says God, like, so naive.
And I'm going, as I'm driving,
going, that's what I say.
Well, that's what I say,
and that's what I say.
And.
And I pulled over, not
knowing I pulled into
a Baptist church, and I went,
I'm a Christian.
I've been spreading
a Christian.
I've been spreading the gospel,
but I've been messing it up.
I have been using all
the wrong terms, and I.
I literally fell to my knees.
I.
I apologize right
then and there.
And when I say, things vanish.
Things that were troubling me
for years just stopped.
Oh, my gosh.
Desires changed everything,
just in a heartbeat.
And from that day on, I
said, yes, this is it.
I came home, I bought a Bible,
I started reading
the Bible, and I started
questioning everything.
Can I do my job?
How do I raise my children?
What should I do
about my marriage?
And you just go to the Bible,
you pray to God, you go
to your Bible, and all
the answers are right there.
And it's amazing how it just.
It just happens, you know?
I mean, the spirit comes
and it tells you exactly
what to do, how to raise
your kids, how to fix your
marriage, how to be a
better man, how to run
your business.
So good.
It's just all right there,
and there's no going back, you
know, I mean, it's just.
That was enough for me
in that moment, just
seeing, It's just.
I can't.
I can't.
I don't know.
I can't explain it.
I don't have to, but it
was quite amazing.
Yeah.
I tell people all
the time, like, I pray that
it happens for you.
Because in a snap of a fingers,
my life changed completely.
Everything I thought, felt,
believed just stopped.
And, Yeah, it's unreal.
Oh, my gosh.
Thank you so much
for sharing that.
That is so awesome.
Oh, my gosh.
I just.
Yes, the encounters, the.
The true encounters
with Jesus, not.
Not the people getting stuck in
religion and all of those kind
of things, you know, that I
feel like is really sad to me,
like you were saying, even one
of the patients who had a lot
of religious trauma, but
really just allowing Jesus to
come in and change your life,
like, allowing him to just,
like, take, like you were
saying, you know, like, you
may not understand every word
you're reading on the page,
but, like, read it.
Allow God to speak through,
like, through it, you know?
And so it's.
It's so beautiful and.
Wow.
Okay, so I end the podcast
with my podcast guests.
Since this show is called
you'd Body Speaks,
we know that the body speaks.
It does not speak
in the language we want
to understand it in, like,
in English or in Spanish or
in, you know, it speaks
in its own kind of way.
I know fascia is like
a huge communicator.
I know that's what you do.
Can you think of something,
some other way
in which you know to be true,
that the body speaks?
Like, I'll give you an example.
So one of the things I tell
patients all the time is
when you start sneezing,
it's not allergy season.
You're just walking along
and you take a couple sneezes,
one, two, maybe three.
That's a sign that your
immune system is kicking up.
Like, your immune system is
like, hey, this is not
the time to put sugar in me.
This is not the time to try
to push your limits.
This is the time to drink more
water, get some rest, and stay
away from all sugar, or you're
going to be flat on your back.
Like, hey, I'm notifying you.
I'm putting you on notice.
Right.
And we dismiss it,
dismiss it, dismiss it.
Any other thing that you can
think of that kind of where
the body goes, hey, I'm trying
to tell you something.
Yawns.
Yawns are a big sign
of, like, a nervous system
reset, you know?
So if you're yawning,
that's your nervous system
trying to kick back in.
Think of it as, like, shutting
off, like, hard reset.
Anything.
Yeah.
So if you're yawning, your
nervous system is trying to.
Trying to catch up, you know,
and if you get that urge to
shake or move, usually that's
a lot of tension in the body.
That's a lot of stress.
It's just like animals.
When a gazelle gets chased
down by a lion and the lion
gets away, the gazelle
gets up and shakes.
Right.
We got to get rid
of that extra.
All that, you know, cortisol,
all that adrenaline.
Yeah.
Because it sits in us.
And, I mean, you can
see this more in kids.
When kids are running around
acting crazy, let them.
They need to get out.
Get them outside.
They're trying to shake
off all that extra.
All that extra stuff, you know.
Oh, good.
So good.
That's such a great one.
Yes.
All the shaking and getting
the nervous system.
I.
I find sometimes too, like,
you, know, it's just,
like, sometimes you just have
to make sounds like.
Like what?
You know, like moving
through your body.
Yeah.
So, so cool.
Well, John, thank you so much
for being on the show today.
Is there.
I'm gonna put all your links
in the show, notes for
people to connect with you,
but if there's anything
else you want to share,
like last words, before we
jump off.
Yeah, no, I really
appreciate it.
I think I put
everything in there.
I'm glad people check
it out on Instagram.
That's where I put most
of the content that I share.
I am launching a YouTube video
where I'm going to be talking
about faith and fascia.
Right.
So the body healing, all
the different modalities, all
through the lens of faith.
And those first video will
be out next Saturday
or this coming Saturday.
Okay.
That's just, you know, faith
and fashion on YouTube, if
you want to check that out.
I'm excited to be
launching that and really
sharing more of this.
Right.
More of the faith
in the scripture.
Behind the breath,
Work behind the body.
Work behind the healing.
Yes.
Behind the mind, body.
So I'm really excited for that
and I appreciate you giving
your time and inviting me on.
Absolutely.
Fun.
Yeah, I just love
talking with people.
If anyone ever has questions,
if you're watching this
and you want to know you have
questions, reach out.
You can go through the website,
contact the email,
Instagram, whatever it is.
I'm happy to help
as much as I can.
Awesome.
Yes.
Thank you so much.
And Instagram is the way that
we connected, so thank
you, Instagram algorithm, for
actually working in a.
In a favorable way.
That's right.
So awesome.
Thank you all and we will
see you on next episode.
Bye.
Bye.