31: Why Diets, Detoxes, and Supplements Aren’t Fixing Your Gut ft. Dr. Kate Davis

We are in for a powerful and honest conversation today.

In this episode, I’m joined by my dear friend Dr. Kate Davis, a functional medicine doctor whose personal healing journey completely reshaped the way she approaches gut health, detoxification, and chronic illness. What began as unexplained constipation and bloating in her early 20s eventually revealed a much deeper story—one involving parasites, chronic stress, nervous system overload, and the danger of chasing quick fixes without addressing foundational function.

Together, we unpack why so many people feel stuck despite “doing everything right,” how diet and supplements often fall short, and why unguided detoxes can actually make things worse. This conversation is honest, educational, and deeply reassuring for anyone who has felt overwhelmed, confused, or discouraged on their health journey.

In this episode, we discuss:

• Why chronic gut issues are rarely just about food
• How stress, trauma, and nervous system dysregulation impact digestion and immunity
• The hidden danger of jumping into parasite cleanses or detoxes without proper drainage support
• Why symptoms disappearing doesn’t always mean true healing has happened
• How liver, gallbladder, and gut function must be restored before killing infections
• Why supplements often don’t work when absorption pathways are compromised
• How to recognize health misinformation and avoid “one-size-fits-all” solutions
• What it actually means to heal the body from the inside out
• How learning to listen to your body builds trust, resilience, and long-term health

This episode is a reminder that healing isn’t about doing more — it’s about doing things in the right order, with wisdom, patience, and support.

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Transcript

Dr. Kate Davis (00:00)

Everyone always goes to diet first. They're like, "well, it must be my diet. This must be why I'm feeling the way that I am." There's so many underlying issues. 

You have this drainage funnel. Think about a drain in a bathtub. You have all these toxins that can build up in your body unless you have good gut function.

We got to basically take the drain out of the bathtub, allow that water to go down the drain. So it doesn't overflow and flood our whole house. Right. And so it's the same thing with your body. If you don't pull those toxins out, they're just going to keep going and going and going.

Welcome to the body speaks podcast with me, Dr. Brook Sheehan. Join me, on a journey, in discovering how to interpret the subtle signs your body uses to communicate with you - the whispers, the screams, and everything in between. Your body truly holds the answers for your health and wellbeing. It’s time to discover them, together. Let’s dive in.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (00:00)

Welcome back to another episode of your body speaks. We are in for a treat today I have a really, really, really good friend of mine. Dr. Kate Davis on the podcast with me today. So I am so excited for you guys to be able to hear from her hear what she's up to, hear all the fun things she's doing. Welcome to the show, Kate.

Dr. Kate Davis (00:21)

Thank you so much, Dr. Brook. I'm so excited to be on your show. And as you said, we are really good friends. So I feel like this is gonna be a super fun episode.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (00:28)

It's going to be really fun guys. One thing I do want to tell you right out the get go is Kate and I can be very sarcastic with one another. We have a lot of fun. We joke, we make, you know, all kinds of fun together. So if it starts getting a little like that, just know that we are not taking jabs at each other. We do really love each other dearly. So, Kate, I know your beginning story. I want our listeners to get to know who you are, how you ended up as Dr. Kate, what you're doing now, and all of that.

Dr. Kate Davis (01:00)

Yeah, well, thank you so much again, Dr. Brook, for having me. And, you know, I got into functional medicine because of my own healing journey. I had severe constipation and bloating issues. I actually went 13 days without a single bowel movement when this first started and nothing medical doctors offered me helped. I was 24 at the time. I was young. I was healthy. I was a former D1 athlete, so it just didn't make any sense to me. I wasn't overweight. I ate fairly healthy. At least I thought so at the time.

And so it was just a really confusing time for me, but you know, I was given two terrible options, a drug I'd have to take for the rest of my life or surgery to remove my intestines. And that was all they told me. Luckily enough, I left that doctor and never went back. And I was blessed to be able to find, you know, a doctor who did some myofascial release in my abdomen. And I swear, Dr. Brook, I lost about 10 pounds that night. Like it was such a relief. Yeah, it was such a relief

Dr. Brook Sheehan (01:49)

Girl.

Dr. Kate Davis (01:52)

To be able to go to the bathroom again, because out of those 13 days, so almost two weeks without a single bowel movement, I was on MiraLAX for 11 of those days and it did not work. God bless the chiropractic world that I found this doctor who was a massage therapist before he became a doctor. And so he was really well-versed in organ manipulation, myofascial release in the abdomen, which is stuff that I do on my patients today. Even the virtual ones, I teach them how to do it, get their spouses involved, you know, to... 

Dr. Brook Sheehan (01:59)

My gosh.

Dr. Kate Davis (02:19)

To release that fascia in the gut, that connected tissue that is between all the layers of our muscle and skin and organs. It was just life-changing for me. So, this is why I'm so passionate about helping people in this area, because I remember being in that place, not knowing what was going on in my body, why I was feeling so terrible when everyone around me seemed completely healthy and fine. And so, after that experience, I completely overhauled my diet. I went paleo, gluten-free, dairy-free.

And as long as I stuck to that restrictive diet, I was about 90 % better. But anytime I veered off, all the symptoms would come back, you know, bloating, constipation, acid reflux. It was just horrible. I couldn't really go out to eat with friends, unless there was, you know, gluten-free, dairy-free menu, which I know you've had experience with as well. And so it's just so frustrating when you just want to live your life and you just can't do that. I dealt with this for almost a decade.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (03:03)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (03:10)

I had a really stressful life event happen about eight, nine years after this. And it just exacerbated all my symptoms came back and the diet wasn't helping anymore. This diet that I thought cured my gut issues just kept the symptoms at bay. And I hear that from a lot of people and I'm sure you do as well where a diet just isn't enough for most people, especially in America, our food is just absolute garbage here, unfortunately. Yeah, and go ahead.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (03:24)

Mm.

Totally.

No, I was just like yuck. It is so yucky our food supply system.

Dr. Kate Davis (03:39)

Yeah, terrible. But I had a good friend from school come into town. And, I was telling her everything that was going on. She was like, "Kate, you know, stressful life events can trigger a lot of health issues and gut issues in people. We need to get some testing done because I think you either have parasites or Lyme disease or both." And so, we did some testing and it revealed a massive parasite infection. I mean, I was infested, I passed a three foot long parasite. It was gigantic.

It looked like a little snake in my body. It was horrifying to think to myself, "where the heck was this living?" I know I'm almost six feet tall. And so doctors have always said, "well, you have a lot of empty space in your abdomen." But seriously, this thing was gigantic. And, I had hundreds of these things come out in me. I was shocked because, you learn, I have a microbiology degree from undergrad. You learn in your parasitology class that, this only exists in third world countries. Don't have to worry about it in America.

That is so far from the truth. And so, after I passed this three foot long parasite, all of my symptoms started to disappear, you know? And I felt like a completely brand new person. I felt so different. I was going to the bathroom two to three times a day. I lost about 25 pounds. I looked healthy. I felt healthy. I was super energetic. Before that I was on the verge of an autoimmune disease. I had joints swelling up out of nowhere, for no reason.

And so I'm just so grateful that my friend came into town and was able to figure out what the heck was going on with me because I know, you know, not a lot of people are that lucky to figure it out before it became a full blown issue. And so since then, I've helped hundreds of women heal from chronic gut issues. And it's just so amazing to see those changes in people.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (05:13)

Okay, I love that. I mean, from a very young age of 24 to be experiencing these symptoms. And that's a time that's like a prime in your life, right, where you should just be able to eat what you want, do what you want, all the things. But here you were as a young 24 year old, dealing with all these problems, having all these issues, and then having eight to nine years later, that triggering event that restarted everything again, and it's what I talk about a lot and I know you know this too.

The body, there's four pillars of health, physical, spiritual, emotional, mental. So we can have emotional mental screens that exacerbate, draw things to the surface or a physical stress, maybe a car accident or something that happens that we're just like, "well, this wasn't an issue before" but it only becomes an issue because it was hiding under the surface.

You having that triggering event eight to nine years prior to that, finding out that it was a parasitic infection really brought to the surface that there was more underlying and going on than a gluten-free, dairy-free diet would have ever corrected on its own, or a paleo diet.

Dr. Kate Davis (06:22)

Absolutely. And people, you know, I want to touch on two things that you said, because number one is that everyone always goes to diet first. They're like, "well, it must be my diet. This must be why I'm feeling the way that I am." And like you said, there's so many underlying issues. It wasn't just parasites. I mean, I had so many things going on in my body. I had leaky gut, really bad leaky gut, you get food sensitivities, gallbladder dysfunction, low stomach acid.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (06:29)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yep.

Dr. Kate Davis (06:47)

Fungal overgrowth, mold toxicity, I had so much going on and if you just target one thing, you're gonna miss all that other stuff going on and that's what I've seen with people is, yeah, they just, you know, they just target diet. They're like, "it must be just what I'm eating," or "as long as I don't eat gluten, I feel fine." And I'll look at them and say, "but do you wanna eat gluten?" Like, you know, and everyone does, you know, it's like, you don't wanna go the rest of your life not being able to eat pizza with your friends or getting a croissant?

Dr. Brook Sheehan (06:56)

Amen.

No. No.

Mmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (07:15)

Obviously we want to limit that stuff and try to go as good quality as we can with sourdough and things like that. But you should be able to live your life at an 80-20 rule. And so that's number one that I wanted to cover. But another thing you brought up that is so important that I feel most people don't talk about is stress. I mean, this is shown in research, the profound impact that chronic years of stress has on your body.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (07:32)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (07:39)

There's so much research out there. You guys go look it up. It will blow your mind. The fact that our body stores these trapped emotions and stressful life and trauma that happened in our body. I mean, just that book, The Body Keeps the Score is so fascinating. If you've never read that book, it's kind of heavy, so maybe small bits at a time, but it just shows you how trauma really just gets stored in your organs. You look at Chinese medicine and they talk about how the liver, if you have...

Dr. Brook Sheehan (07:43)

Mm-hmm.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (08:03)

Unrepressed or unresolved anger issues. It'll affect your liver. If you've got bitterness or unforgiveness or resentment, it affects your gallbladder. Grief will hit the lungs. There's so many different things that are just so fascinating about the human body. And stress has also been shown in research to break down that gut lining to create leaky gut. So if you're looking at research, they're never going to put leaky gut in the article because that's just what we call it to make it easy. You'll look for increased intestinal permeability. And that's something you do not want because it is

Dr. Brook Sheehan (08:21)

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (08:32)

The precursor to all autoimmune disease. Your gut influences so many systems in your body, your hormones, your mental health, your brain health, you know, so many different things that we don't want to get to that point where we just can't handle stress. And we're, at the point where maybe we're having really severe anxiety or panic attacks or things like that. And so really nervous system down regulation and teaching people how to, in spite of stressful life events that happen, how to manage and mitigate that stuff is so incredibly important in the healing process.

And that's why I talk a lot about brain health, you know, in my practice too, because of that gut brain connection, but also because I had a huge background in neurology, I was treating concussions and chronic pain using neuro in my practice before I got into functional medicine. So the combination of both is just so life-changing for so many people. And so I just wanted to touch on those two things, because there's a really great point made.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (09:22)

Amen. Yeah. Stress is such a huge driver to so much of the chronic conditions people experience. And I would even, and I'm going on a limb here and don't shoot me. Don't shoot the messenger. But it's also one of those things you can do: all of the cleanses, all the parasite, parasite, detoxes, gut, brain, all the things. But if you're still dealing with unresolved stress that you're not addressing,

Dr. Kate Davis (09:30)

Hmm.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (09:48)

You may find yourself getting some results, but not getting to the full picture. And I'm sure you've experienced, and we both have, really difficult patient cases where patients may not be getting the results that they could be getting, but we know, guys, you're just sitting in a pool of stress. This is really impacting your system and it's hard to make progress because we go two steps forward, one step back, two steps forward, one step back, and it's this constant cycle. And so stress is a

Dr. Kate Davis (10:06)

Yeah.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (10:17)

Huge factor that people really do need to address.

Dr. Kate Davis (10:20)

Oh, 100%. And it's not to make people feel like they're being gaslit by doctors when they say, "Oh, it could just be stress." That is a part of the puzzle. Not, we're not just, you know, downplaying your symptoms. And I think a lot of people just think that when doctors say, "Oh, it's just stress." And granted, there are lot of doctors who don't look further. They just say, "Oh, well, you're stressed. You know, once your stress calms down, you'll be fine." But they don't give you any, any tools or any ways to actually mitigate it. And so that's when people can get in real trouble because you know,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (10:28)

Right. Good point. Good point.

Dr. Kate Davis (10:48)

Stress in your immune system function like a seesaw. So if stress goes up and it stays there, your immune system can't turn on, it can't fight off infections, it can't keep your body healthy, and that's when those chronic infections like parasites or mold or fungal overgrowth in the gut or opportunistic bacterial infections in the gut really just take over and all of a sudden you go from a healthy 24 year old to someone who can't go to the bathroom for two weeks.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (10:51)

Mm-hmm.

Yes

Dr. Kate Davis (11:13)

And it's just this combination of so many different layers and so many different factors. So you really have to look at every piece of the puzzle.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (11:20)

Amen, so good, yeah. Great point is there are doctors who just say, "Oh, it's stress," and just write it off. Don't look further.  We are not those doctors. I know you guys know that for those of you who are listening. So I wanna transition off the stress component and kind of coming back into the parasite cleanses that I talked about before where you can do a cleanse. You were very successful in going through your cleanse and getting your body healed from all of this stuff.

There's a lot of people that are trying to do these kinds of cleanses that are not getting guidance and not having proper follow through with practitioners and not doing it the right way. And so there's a lot of trendiness going on in social media. You just look up different things,  gut health, gut cleanse, da da, right? But, we know that these can be actually very, very dangerous if not done correctly. So why can jumping straight into these cleanses or heavy metal detoxes be so dangerous for somebody?

Dr. Kate Davis (12:24)

Yeah, it's a great question and it's such a timely conversation because it is such a trendy thing that people are, you know, jumping on and just getting so into nowadays. And what you have to realize is that I get this question the most because, obviously on my Instagram page, I talk the most about parasites because that was my story. And it's the only infection that you can visibly see when it comes out of your body. So it's just like, this explains a lot. You know, it's like people want to see giant worms come out to justify all the pain and suffering they went through.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (12:44)

Yeah.

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (12:52)

But you have to realize that you cannot go after parasites if there's no way for those toxins to get out. Because when you kill off parasites in your body, there's this term in functional medicine world called Herxing or die off symptoms, or in layman's terms, a detox reaction. When you kill parasites in your body, they release a ton of toxins into your system. It's kind of their last dying breath of just like, "Well, fine, you're going to kill me. I'm just going to try to kill you on my way out."

Dr. Brook Sheehan (13:04)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (13:19)

Yeah, they're little stinkers that way, but you know, it's just, they're so crazy smart and just they evade the immune system so well that first of all, if you don't have a way for toxins to get out of your body, if you're not pooping two to three times a day, if your liver's not functioning well, if your gallbladder isn't killing off those infections in your small intestine, as your food goes from your stomach into that small intestine, then it's gonna be a really bad day for you. You're gonna get sick.

And I've heard this from so many people, Dr. Brook, that, "Oh, I tried this parasite cleanse that was, you know, maybe a week or three weeks long or a month long and I ended up in the ER," or "Now I have stomach pain," or "Now I have migraines," or, "I got flu like symptoms for a month." And it's because your body, if it can't get toxins out, they're just going to circulate throughout the whole system. Your body is going to actually use your lungs, your kidneys and your skin to detox for you. So that's why so many people get skin reactions and skin issues, you know.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (13:54)

Mm hmm.

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (14:15)

After improperly detoxing where they'll get hives or eczema or, "I didn't used to have this rash and now I have this huge rash over my abdomen or my liver or my back." And it's because you have to have a good way to get waste products out of your system before you go after any infections. And so this is the number one thing I tell people. I did not start with a parasite cleanse. My doctor, she worked on healing my leaky gut, getting my gallbladder to function again, and then we went after parasites.

You have to go in layers, right? You can't just put someone, yeah, you can't just put someone on a systemic binder that's gonna pull stuff out of their brain and send it to their liver. And so there's this order that I always tell people. It's, you know, you have this drainage funnel. Think about a drain in a bathtub. You have all these toxins that can build up in your body unless you have good gut function. You're pooping two to three times a day. There's no leaky gut. There's no inflammation. There's no infections that are damaging that gut lining and preventing waste from getting out.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (14:44)

Absolutely.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (15:09)

You have good gallbladder function and good liver function. So your liver is what pulls toxins from your bloodstream, breaks them down, it makes them non-toxic and sends them to your gut to go out in the toilet. Now, if you're constipated, if you have leaky gut, and the best way you know if you have leaky gut is if you have food sensitivities that you did not have as a kid. So if you're all of a sudden sensitive to gluten and dairy and you didn't have that as a child, you probably should not be doing any sort of detoxing unless you're working with someone who knows what they're doing because you've really got to fix the gut and the liver and the gallbladder before killing off systemic infections.

And so what I like to do and what you do and you know, any functional medicine doctor who really understands this, this concept is that we have to basically drain that, that funnel. So we got to basically take the drain out of the bathtub, allow that water to go down the drain. So it doesn't overflow and flood our whole house. Right. And so it's the same thing with your body. If you don't pull those toxins out,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (15:59)

Yes.

Dr. Kate Davis (16:03)

They're just going to keep going and going and going and everyone kind of has a threshold of what they can handle in terms of toxicity. And when you go beyond that threshold, all of a sudden, I can't go to the bathroom anymore. I'm bloated every time I eat. I have acid reflux. I can't sleep. I have insomnia. My energy tanks now because all these systems work together where if those drainage pathways get plugged up, now your body's going to try to use your kidneys to detox. So I've seen people with kidney stones disappear after supporting liver and gut function.

I've seen people who get up to pee all the time, even though they don't drink water before going to bed, people with chronic UTIs, and then the lungs and the skin will also start to react. So now you get people who say,  "I had asthma as a kid, was fine for about a decade, and now all of a sudden I have trouble breathing when it's too hot out, or when I go exercise or things like that." That's your body trying to use an organ system to detox for you that it's not supposed to be doing. So a lot of people will say, and I'm sure they've said this to you,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (16:31)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (16:58)

You know, lot of the trolls on the internet of, "I have a liver and a kidney. I don't need to do a detox. That's pseudoscience." And I'm just like, yeah, if they're functioning well, but most people's are not. You know, if you only have a 60 % capacity to remove toxins from your body, you're gonna have a really hard time actually functioning because eventually that stuff's gonna build and build and build. And even if you're on a low tox, you know, "All the products in my house are low tox. How do I have high toxicity?"

Dr. Brook Sheehan (17:01)

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (17:26)

Well, every cell in your body produces waste on a daily basis. So you also have to get that waste out of your system. So, so that's what I tell people is you've got to heal those organs first. I will, will target it as, okay. If someone has parasites, we're going to heal the gut first. We're going to support liver and gallbladder function. If that's an issue as well, we're going to go after the gut parasites first and then a little more systemic, maybe get some liver flukes out and then we'll go after systemic ones because you've got to go in a certain order so that you don't

Dr. Brook Sheehan (17:30)

Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (17:55)

Release a bunch of toxins and have nowhere for them to go. And so it's basically like taking a bathtub that's full and just dumping a bunch of extra water on it and wondering why your whole bathroom floods and now you have mold issues and you got to replace the tiles and all this stuff. That's what happens in your body if you do a parasite detox too soon. So hopefully that made sense.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (18:13)

Oh my gosh, that made total sense. Thank you for sharing that. That was so beautiful. And yet I was like, amen, amen, amen, amen to everything you were saying, because it's so true. There's a proper order to do things and you don't just jump in and things that I work with my patients on as well is really unraveling the pieces in the body's order. So it's the order of operation in which things is done is so, so key.

I love the analogy when you said if the bathtub is full and you're just dumping more water into it, you're going to create more problems like mold and all these other issues. It brings me back to something you said in your story when you talked about the eight or nine years after everything had happened, you know, and you had that triggering event. And then all of a sudden you got all this joint pain and all this inflammation and on the verge of autoimmunity. And that's what happens essentially when

the body has too much stuff coming at it and it can't clear it. It can't get it out fast enough or faster than what's coming in. And you brought up a really good point about the toxicity. People thinking that, "my liver and my kidneys are functioning." and I'm air quoting that for those people who are listening. Well, without realizing that your cells do create waste products every single moment at their work in they're doing stuff.

There's, free radicals flying around, you we've got to quench all that kind of stuff. So it's not about putting people on detoxes forever or having to do this like, "Well, it's January. So now it's time for a gut cleanse." When there's a lot of things going on to get everything cleared out to help support your body so that you could keep going and doing your day to day stuff that you normally do. So I thought that was beautiful.

The one thing I want to say about the liver too, for those listening who may not understand this, is your liver is processing 500 different jobs, different jobs. And people think about the liver as just like a detox. And I know you're not saying this Dr. Kate, but I think a lot of people think of the liver as just a detox organ. That guy is literally clearing hormones, excess hormones out of your body, helping make hormones, helping keep your blood sugar stable. It is doing so many things that

Dr. Kate Davis (20:04)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (20:22)

If it's taxed in some way or another, it's going to be taxed in a lot of other ways. So if it's having a hard time processing alcohol, because you're drinking a lot of alcohol, and I don't mean to be on a tangent right here really quick, but if it's processing that alcohol, it is not doing any of the detoxing that Dr. Kate is talking about. It is like putting all that on pause so it can get that through the system because it's so toxic for the body. I digress.

Dr. Kate Davis (20:48)

Yeah.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (20:48)

I know that was a total tangent there, it's so important to know how alcohol can affect the body.

Dr. Kate Davis (20:56)

Yeah. Yeah. And that's so important too, because you're right. It's not just a detox organ, you know, it also produces, it produces digestive enzymes. So if you're having trouble digesting your food, if you get bloating in your upper abdomen, every time you eat, it could be liver dysfunction, could be gallbladder. That's why we have to do testing and see what's going on. And also back to the parasite question, because I think this is another really important piece.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (21:01)

Yeah.

Absolutely.

Dr. Kate Davis (21:18)

And like you said, yes, you should not be detoxing forever. It should be like a short protocol to heal the organs, you know, because once organs heal, if you heal your gut, 80 % of your immune system lives in your gut. Your immune system is going to be on now. So now when you're exposed to parasites, when you're exposed to bacteria or viruses, you're able to actually handle it so it doesn't build up in your system. This stuff takes decades to get to the point where you have a three foot parasite in your intestines. That's not normal, you guys. I have yet to have a patient.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (21:28)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (21:46)

Who's had a bigger parasite than I did come out of their intestine, in their stool, basically. So just know this is not the norm. And it's just definitely the most sexy thing on Instagram right now is like parasite cleanse. It's because you can see them. When you clear out a viral infection or bacteria, you don't see anything. It's just like, "Oh, I hope I'm healing." But you know, that is a really important thing to talk about. And also you have to look at co-infections and other toxins in the body because

Dr. Brook Sheehan (21:49)

Ugh.

Yeah.

Right. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (22:12)

There are certain co-infections and toxins like heavy metals that will allow parasites to continue to proliferate and overgrow in your body. And if you only target one thing, if you don't do any testing to see, okay, do I also have mold toxicity or fungal overgrowth or dysbiosis in my gut, which just means an overgrowth of bacteria in the gut, you those opportunistic infections that happen, you're never gonna fully get rid of the parasites. And so I had to look at the full picture and that's what my doctor did is she,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (22:18)

Yes.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (22:40)

She focused on healing the organs, removing the gut parasites first, getting my microbiome restored, getting rid of the fungal infections in the gut. And then we went after liver flukes and then we went after systemic parasites. And it was this, this step wise, you know, healing process that if you don't understand what you're doing, you're really going to mess yourself up. And that's why so many people will end up going to their doctor with worse issues after a detox or they'll end up in the ER. And now you get doctors saying, "Oh, detoxing is dangerous." It's like, no,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (22:55)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (23:09)

Detoxing in the wrong order is dangerous. And so that's kind of my biggest thing.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (23:13)

Yeah, I would even go on a limb and say unguided detox can be very dangerous. So it is so important. You did not jump into your detox protocols without that guidance that you had with your friend who was the doctor to walk you through that. So it's not, we're not saying that you have to be lifetime patients and you're just going to be stuck in our patient wheel and our patient, that is not it. Guidance is important for a time,

Dr. Kate Davis (23:19)

Yup.

Exactly.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (23:40)

And then getting you to the point where you can be released.

Dr. Kate Davis (23:43)

Exactly, and everyone's different. I have some patients who literally feel 100 % better after a month of working together. Now that doesn't happen often, but, and then some people might take six to eight to nine months to feel back to normal. I felt 100 % better after four months of working with this doctor. And I was still, but I was still passing parasites for six months, you know? So even though I felt better, I knew there was still deeper healing that I had to do.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (23:50)

Yeah.

Okay, yeah.

What?

Dr. Kate Davis (24:07)

And I had to continuously heal my gut. The leaky gut took actually like a year and a half to fully heal and not show up on testing anymore. The fungal infection took over a year, even though all my symptoms were gone. And so this is the thing too, is you shouldn't rely on just symptoms to tell you when your body is messed up. Like there are warning times that happen and you can be completely asymptomatic and have zero symptoms, but be the most unhealthy person on testing. And so that's another thing too, is 

Dr. Brook Sheehan (24:23)

Amen.

Dr. Kate Davis (24:35)

Look for co-infections, look for toxins, because those will tank your immune system and allow the parasites to come back. And also don't just rely on, "Oh, I don't have any gut issues. My gut's probably fine." No, get some testing done. Make sure because the gut is the root of pretty much all chronic diseases. If you don't start there, if you don't make sure it's healthy, if you don't fix it before it gets to a point like I was at where I was almost on the verge of getting an autoimmune disease, it could be really bad later on. And so that's something I tell people too.

I love when people reach out to me and they're like, "Hey, I don't have any health issues, but I really want to learn how to do a detox safely. I want to prevent future complications." That is the mindset that we should all have around health and our body.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (25:08)

Absolutely. And because this podcast is called your body speaks I love teaching people, you know, this idea of being able to tune into certain signals. Dr. Kate is making a great point here about, you know, just understanding the gut. You can have no symptoms. You could be not feeling anything.

But if we really kind of tune in, there's certain things that may be happening like a little headache brewing or a little ache in the belly after you eat something, your body's telling you something that maybe that meal that you just ate is just like, "no, I didn't need to have that." Or like you were saying, there was deeper leaky gut issues or deeper gut issues that need to be looked at.

Dr. Kate Davis (25:41)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (25:54)

Physical symptoms are not a determiner of whether you're well or not. And I always say that a lot too, is you can have no symptoms and your body be a complete wreck internally, you know, all angry and knotted up, so pissed off or not working at the same energetic level. And I, I'm gonna say something, Kate.

And I think you agree, but I really get frustrated when people say,  "It's just because I'm getting older." And while there are some things that may be attached to aging, where muscles or things like that, but it is not a factor of your age. It's a factor of the function of your body internally and how healthy it is. I'm 41 years old. I know that I don't experience a lot of

Dr. Kate Davis (26:23)

God.

Yup.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (26:44)

Problems that some 35 year olds experience and they're saying that they're getting old and I'm like, "Oh my gosh, I got six years on you and you're telling me you're getting old." That is not at all the issue.

Dr. Kate Davis (26:56)

Yeah, that's such a good point. You're not old until your 60s or 70s. So people who tell, you know, if you go to a doctor and you're 32 and they're like, "Well, you're just getting older," go find a different doctor, please. Cause that is not old. You are still young, you know, thirties, forties, fifties, even Dr. Brook's husband does not look his age cause he takes care of himself. He looks so young compared to the age that he actually is because you can really, if you really just

Dr. Brook Sheehan (27:13)

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (27:23)

Heal your body from the inside out, like you talked about earlier, mentally, spiritually, emotionally, physically, if you hit all four of those pillars of health, you're going to feel incredible no matter what age you're at.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (27:34)

Yes, so good. Okay, shifting off of that a little bit, and I know we talked about this, we hit this a lot, or you talked about it a lot, but there are a lot of women, and I'm sure a lot of women listening right now that have tried so many different diets, tried so many different detoxes, or all the different supplements. In your opinion, what would be the one or a couple reasons why you feel those shifts aren't happening for them?

Dr. Kate Davis (27:59)

Yeah, and that's a great question because the second thing people try after diet is supplements. So, and you have to realize you guys, your gut is where absorption takes place. So if you have leaky gut, if you've got an inflamed gut lining, if your bacteria in your gut are overgrowing in ways that they should not, if you have fungal overgrowth, parasites, mold toxicity, heavy metals, lots of pesticide residue built up in your system that's damaging your gut lining, you can't absorb anything you're putting in your body.

And so what I've seen with people, especially the people I work with, because they've done everything you said. They did diet, they did supplements, maybe they just tried a short cleanse but didn't do any testing first, so they just assumed nothing's going to work for them. You have to get a full picture because number one, if your liver and your gallbladder aren't functioning, you can't digest your food into small enough pieces to be absorbed by the body. And then number two, if that gut lining is damaged, you can't absorb anything. And so you could be putting all the right food in your body, all the right supplements,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (28:46)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (28:55)

The best supplement products out there and you're like, "the supplement didn't work for me." No, your body just couldn't absorb it. And it couldn't utilize those nutrients in it. You're just creating really expensive pee and really expensive poop. And so that's what I tell people, we've got to rebuild from the foundation. We've got to get you able to make digestive enzymes, produce enough stomach acid, digest your food in the small intestines by releasing bile salts from your gallbladder, and actually be able to absorb those nutrients in your gut lining before putting people on supplements or talking about food as medicine, because food as medicine doesn't work for most people, especially in America.

You can go to Europe and you'll probably use food as medicine and heal very quickly. But unfortunately, we're exposed to so much garbage, even the produce and the good quality foods in America, even those are still tainted with garbage, you know, as they travel across the US. Now, luckily, we're in California, we don't have this problem, but because most of the produce comes from California to everywhere else.

But as your produce travels, they'll treat it with gases to preserve it. They'll spray stuff on it to make sure it doesn't go bad before it reaches its destination. So even if you're buying the best quality food, you're still being poisoned. And so it's just, it's this nonstop cycle, but it's not to be afraid to eat non-organic food or to eat bread. It's just, how can we heal your organs, get your immune system back online and get your

Dr. Brook Sheehan (29:56)

Yes.

Dr. Kate Davis (30:15)

Detox pathways working at a hundred percent so that when you're exposed to that stuff, it doesn't wreck your body. And so that's the biggest thing that I tell people in terms of why diet and supplements don't work for them.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (30:18)

Mm.

So good, Kate, because it is really about, well, we've said this a lot on the episode today about healing internally so that you can be able to eat certain things, not having to live your life in such a very, very, very constricted kind of way where it's just like, "Was that cooked on a pan that touched bread? I can't use it," that kind of extreme, right? And so,

Dr. Kate Davis (30:49)

Yeah.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (30:50)

We want to heal from the inside out, but we also know, with the intelligence that God designed within the body, that the body is extremely resilient. And so when we do heal those organs, when we do get everything cleaned up, we do become more resilient to handle different things, right? To be able to, like you said, to not have fear to like...

You know, "Well, it wasn't an organic apple. So I ate it and now I'm tanking," and going, no, no, no, no, no. That's not what we're saying. We're saying you can handle that kind of stuff. But if you've hit the threshold, if your bathtub is full and you're just throwing more toxicity in there with more non-organic produce or foods that are just toxic heavy, right? You're just going to make that a bigger mess.

Dr. Kate Davis (31:26)

Yup.

Yeah.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (31:34)

Also one thing I want to say and I'll add on to that expensive pee and expensive poop. One thing I tell my patients as well is not only do you have to spend money for those supplements and have expensive pee and poop, but your body has to utilize energy to process all that. So now you've taken energy reserves away from your immune system being able to be stronger away from your gut being able to heal, and do all these things by taking supplements that aren't really super supportive for you in this moment. So it's really important, again, with guidance and then understanding what's working for your body because you're learning to listen to it. So yeah, that was great.

Dr. Kate Davis (32:12)

Yeah, that is such a good point because you're right, back to what you said about the liver earlier, everything you put in your body, good or bad, your liver has to process all the extra ingredients in it. So every supplement you'll notice has even the good quality ones, they still have extra ingredients in there to preserve it, to make sure it gets past your stomach acid, to make sure it gets into your body. Your liver has to break down all of that extra stuff in the supplement

Dr. Brook Sheehan (32:21)

Yes.

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (32:37)

And get it out of your system. So if you're someone who has a grocery bag full of supplements or the graveyard in your kitchen cupboard of these hundreds supplements you bought and maybe you've tried 50 of them and you're taking 20 supplements a day, you're putting so much stress on your liver. If your liver isn't functioning well, you're gonna put so much stress on your kidneys and you're gonna put so much stress on your gut thinking that, "oh, all supplements are good for you," they're not. And so you really have to be...

Dr. Brook Sheehan (32:38)

Yeah.

Yes.

Great.

Dr. Kate Davis (33:02)

So specific with what you give people and anyone who works with me, when we started detox, I always tell them any supplement you're taking and if it doesn't give you significant improvements in your symptoms, we're going to cut it out while you're detoxing because I don't want you stressing out your organs. We want to actually heal them.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (33:18)

There you go. Yeah, no more stress on the organs. It's so good. Yeah, it's huge. Okay, so there are so many different, we talked about Instagram and social media and all the things like we are inundated with so much information, which is both a good and a bad thing, right? Yes, you can quickly go online and find what supplement would be good for a bacterial infection or what would be most helpful. That's great, but there is a lot of information out there that

Dr. Kate Davis (33:21)

Exactly.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (33:46)

Isn't good. what are one or maybe three different things that you wish women would delete from their brain forever in regards to these like health

Dr. Kate Davis (33:56)

Yeah, that is such a good question because I see this so much and, obviously we hear it from the people around us so much. The number one thing you guys, the biggest red flag I will ever tell you to watch out for. If you see someone on the internet saying "this one product will heal everyone who has this one issue," run screaming in the opposite direction, because that is so far from the truth.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (34:02)

Yeah.

So good point.

Dr. Kate Davis (34:20)

You know, our bodies are so unique. We only differ by about what, 1 % in our DNA, but we look so different externally. Imagine how different our internal environment functions from person to person. And so you really have to think about that is what works for me isn't going to work for someone else. If you line up 10 of the people I've worked with who had chronic constipation, they all had different care plans because they all had different organ function. They all had different infections, different toxins in their body, different

Dr. Brook Sheehan (34:31)

Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (34:46)

Mental health states, different self-talk, going back to different spiritual walks with God or no spiritual walk. And so there's all these different factors that you have to consider. Everything in the body works like a symphony. You can't just have the drums playing and expect to have a good harmony at a symphony that you go to at a concert. If somebody is like, you know, messing up in the flute section, you're going to hear it. And so that's how the body works too, is if you don't work on every section in that symphony,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (34:49)

Yeah. Yeah. Right.

Dr. Kate Davis (35:11)

Because the gut is related to so many different organs in your body. If you don't look at everything, you're going to miss a huge piece of the puzzle. And you may see slight results for a little bit of time. And then all of a sudden you plateau or you regress back to where you were because you didn't look at the full picture. And, just like you said earlier, people with hormone issues, because the liver is the main organ that breaks them down. That is the number one thing that I work on healing with people. I have so many people are like, "well, do you do hormone testing," and, "we got to attack the hormones." And I'm like, no, no, no.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (35:18)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (35:39)

Your hormones are regulated in the gut and the liver. We'll tell those organs first, then let's see if there still are hormone issues left over. I can tell you that maybe 70, 80 % of the time, once you heal those two organs, people's hormone issues disappear. Their periods regulate, they have no more hormonal acne, they don't have painful periods anymore, they don't have all those things associated with it. And so it's really just about looking at the full picture, not...

Dr. Brook Sheehan (35:41)

Yes.

Dr. Kate Davis (36:04)

Going off of this one supplement or heal all of your ailments or, if you just do a parasite cleanse, it'll fix all your issues. That is so far from the truth, you guys. I didn't just have parasites. Like I mentioned earlier, I had mold toxicity, fungal overgrowth, leaky gut, gallbladder dysfunction. And there's so many things going on in the body that you have to look at everything. And so those are the top two things that I would say is just look at the full picture, get some testing done, work with someone who knows what they're doing because

Dr. Brook Sheehan (36:15)

Yeah, right.

Dr. Kate Davis (36:31)

The point of working with someone like Dr. Brook or myself is so that we can shortcut the process for you so you don't have to do what I did and struggle for almost a decade before you find answers because that was so frustrating and so painful. And I wish I'd found someone sooner. And I totally ignored the doctor who fixed my gut. He told me, "Kate, I'm pretty sure you have parasites. You need to go get tested." But the stool test was negative. And that happens a lot, you guys. You'll see.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (36:41)

My gosh.

Yes.

Dr. Kate Davis (36:57)

So many negative stool tests and think to yourself, "oh, I just don't have parasites."

Dr. Brook Sheehan (36:58)

Yes. Yes. Yes.

Dr. Kate Davis (37:01)

I was so infested, you guys. I had hundreds of them come out. And so you've got to listen to other doctors. I told him, "oh no, my stool test is negative. I'm fine." And then, you know, eight years later, nine years later, you know, passing hundreds of different parasites, all different shapes and sizes. those would be the top two things I would say. I know I went off on a tangent, but hopefully it was helpful. So.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (37:17)

Yeah.

No, you did not go on off on a tangent, but I was like, I want to interject and I want to say, "so Kate, you're saying birth control is not the solution to hormone problem?"

Dr. Kate Davis (37:29)

Birth control creates so many gut issues in people, like I cannot tell you how many people's guts are wrecked after decades of using birth control. It's so bad. It's so terrible. Yeah.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (37:30)

No.

My gosh.

Isn't it so crazy? I know we're like in our little doctor bubble right now, but it is insane the amount of things that just get basically slapped on like a bandaid, doctor spends five minutes in a room with a patient and they're having they're 17 years old and they're having major acne issues and the doctors like, "well, let's get you on birth control because that's the solution." Right. And it's just like,  my goodness. But I totally, I totally digress there. And 

Dr. Kate Davis (38:02)

Yeah.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (38:05)

One of the things that you were saying when you were sharing that about, you know, running in the other direction, if they're saying, "hey, this one thing is going to solve everything," that is such a good, good point because there's so much more going on in the background that you really do need to address. And also you said that that first interaction with that first doctor and he said, "Hey, I think you have parasites." And you're like, "my stool test came back."

This is something I speak on so heavily and I am so not anti lab work. I am so not anti testing. I think testing and labs is so, so important, but it's also more important to make sure you're getting the right testing done. That's why guidance is important with like a trained practitioner because you can end up like in this situation that Dr. Kate was talking about where everything looks great, all my numbers look great. Well, also

Dr. Kate Davis (38:49)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (38:59)

Getting those labs read by somebody who has the eyeball to see certain things, you know, because you're going to have a doctor and go, "oh, well, you're all within range." Oh my gosh, you're within range of what a sixty year old man who's 300 pounds and you're a 25 year old woman who's, 115 pounds, like goodness gracious, the standards are so bad.

Dr. Kate Davis (39:12)

Yeah.

Yup.

And those standards were just tested on young, healthy men back in like the 60s and 70s. There were no women who were tested back then to create these standards that we have.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (39:24)

Yeah. Thank you. No, no.

No, even the standards for hormone tests are all been done on men. And how crazy is that when we're looking at estrogen, progesterone, all those things, but I'm like totally on a different tangent. Obviously there's some brokenness in the medical field and in the healthcare system, we know this. We're not here to be banging a hammer or an axe against them, but we're just sharing with you guys that there is another way of doing things.

Dr. Kate Davis (39:56)

Absolutely. And I just want to add onto that too, because I feel like there is a lot of bashing of medical doctors nowadays because of the wave of functional medicine and naturopathy that's becoming more mainstream, which is awesome because this is where real health actually takes place. I know MDs, one of my good friends from, we grew up together from middle school on and she's an MD. 

Dr. Brook Sheehan (40:02)

Mm-hmm.

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (40:20)

There are so many amazing MDs out there who are doing integrative medicine programs now who are going into functional medicine. She were always texting each other because I'll ask her medical questions. She'll ask me like, "what supplement would you use for XYZ?" Just to get them kind of on the right path, and so just know that, you know, your doctors, they genuinely want to help you. They went to medical school for a reason, to help people.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (40:22)

Yes.

Dr. Kate Davis (40:39)

It's not their fault that the whole system has been taken over by pharmaceutical medicine. And you can see this in research. Most of those studies are funded by big pharma companies who have a vested interest in the outcome. So any trauma that you have in your life, the number one place I'm going to the hospital, I want an MD to work on me. I'm not gonna go to a chiropractor if I'm bleeding out of my abdomen and say, "hey, can you help me?"

Dr. Brook Sheehan (40:39)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (41:00)

So any trauma medicine, the medical system excels in surgery and, trauma-based medicine and ER stuff, that is the number one place I'm going if I ever have, any issues like that, because that is where they excel. But when we're talking about long-term health, it's way too much symptom management now with pharmaceutical drugs or surgeries that maybe people don't need, like getting your gallbladder removed. Do not do that.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (41:04)

Yeah. Yeah.

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (41:24)

Please God keep your gallbladder at all costs if you can, because it's not just digesting fats,

Dr. Brook Sheehan (41:25)

Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (41:29)

It's doing so many other functions in your body.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (41:31)

Yeah.  So good. So, so good. Okay, we're running out of time, but I want to make sure we get to the last final questions. My question that I ask guests on this show all the time because it is called your body speaks is what is one way you personally have experienced your body speaking to you? Or have you seen inpatient care?

Dr. Kate Davis (41:51)

Man, that's a good question. So personally, I mean, obviously I'm a gut specialist. I'm always, I'm all about the gut. But I mean, in terms of like you and I, we're both Christians. I know that gut feelings that I have and the way that I'm in tune with my body is with the Holy Spirit. You know, like, God is always highlighting the right path for us. It even says that in the Bible that He will guide our steps, even though we have our whole life planned out for ourselves, He'll guide those steps. So for me, it's always

Dr. Brook Sheehan (42:15)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (42:17)

A gut feeling about stuff. And I know it's hard for people to think about becoming in tune with their body and trying to figure out what their body needs, but it's really just this, this sense of peace that I get whenever I'm trying to make a decision about my health, like, okay. Every once in a while I get the constipation that comes back, but I know what the triggers are. Like, okay, how stressed have I been? Have I done any grounding recently? Have I been hydrating enough? You know,  have I been maybe eating some foods that I shouldn't have? Have I gone outside of the 80-20 rule and gone more into the 50-50 rule?

Dr. Brook Sheehan (42:44)

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (42:44)

You know, it's this time of year is so hard, because you're going to potlucks and parties and you have to do the best you can and just know guys that you can get to the point where you're not worried about eating that stuff in moderation. But if you're in that healing process where you're really sick, you've got to be really, really diligent about what you put in your body for a period of time. And again, that period of time is different for everyone until you can fully heal and actually eat the things that you want to eat.

But yeah, I'd say for me, it's just really just that gut feeling and that sense of what is good for me and what's not. So I guess that's kind of the best way I could explain that.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (43:17)

That's a beautiful way of explaining it and we have that internal "Hey, turn left, turn right," or things like that where we don't listen to it sometimes or it tells us, "This relationship is not gonna be the greatest for me, but I'm gonna like walk into it anyways, right?" Like we get those gut like instincts that come up. So that's like

Dr. Kate Davis (43:25)

Yeah.

Like walking into oncoming traffic.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (43:37)

A great way of putting it. I love that Kate, that was beautiful. Tell our listeners, tell those that are listening how they can find you, what you have to offer them, all the fun stuff.

Dr. Kate Davis (43:48)

Yeah, well first I just wanna say thank you Dr. Brook for having me on the podcast. I'm glad we didn't get too sarcastic with each other. I feel like we're both so nerdy that we're probably not gonna deviate from talking about medicine and healing and all that stuff. But yeah, you asked great questions. I loved our conversation. So thank you so much for having me on the podcast. And I'll just say, if you're listening to this episode thinking, "I can't even imagine what it would be like to go to the bathroom every day or

Dr. Brook Sheehan (43:51)

Yeah.

Dr. Kate Davis (44:13)

To not be bloated all the time or to be able to go out to eat and not be suffering for days after." Or, maybe you've thought to yourself, "I've already tried so many things. What if nothing works? Maybe I'm too far gone." I just want to encourage you to do one of two things. Number one, again, my name is Dr. Kate Davis. So go to my Instagram. It's @drkatedavis And I know it'll be in the show notes below as well. If you guys forget that, or if you're driving and you can't write it down.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (44:36)

Mm-hmm.

Dr. Kate Davis (44:39)

But go on there because I post daily content on how to move the needle forward in healing your gut and getting your health back on track. And so I post a lot of the stuff we talked about today, about how to calm down your nervous system and all those simple things that you can start implementing today to start getting some results. And you know, maybe if you're someone who's like, "Hey, I really just am looking for someone to work with, I don't want to deal with this stuff anymore." I'm offering an exclusive discount to work with me for anyone who's listening to this podcast.

If you go to my Instagram, again, that's at @drkatedavis and you DM me the number 100, I will give you $100 off on an initial consult and labs combo, which means you'll basically get the initial consult for free. And then we'll do labs to see exactly what's going on in your body. So just like we talked about earlier, you'll get a full picture of exactly what is creating the chronic gut issues that you're dealing with. Which drainage pathways aren't functioning well? What infections do you have? What toxins are lurking in your body?

And then I'll put together an individualized detox and lifestyle care plan specifically suited to you so that you can finally heal and not end up in the ER in the process. And just one last thing that I'll leave with your audience, I've seen so many people heal, you guys, like myself included, from IBS, from constipation, from bloating, acid reflux, and most of them were in the same boat as you. They tried diet, they tried supplements, got no results.

Wondered if anything would ever work for them or if it would just be another waste of money. But let me just tell you that healing is absolutely possible. When you give it the right environment to thrive in, your body will heal itself. God designed us to be healing, you know, for our bodies to heal if it's given the right environment. So just know that I've seen complete transformations when we get to the root cause and we heal at a foundational level in the body, healing those organs, removing the things that shouldn't be there.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (46:03)

Yes. Yes.

Dr. Kate Davis (46:22)

And so don't ever give up on finding an answer. It's out there.

Dr. Brook Sheehan (46:25)

Kate, so beautiful. I love it. Thank you so much for being here. I really appreciate it. We did have a lot of fun. And yeah, you're right. We geeked out  a lot together. Awesome. Well, we will see you on the next episode listeners. Bye.